| buks | I cant install kubuntu-kde4 alpha 6 over a LAN, there is no option to install the desktop :( | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| * buks thinks everyone is probably asleep because its 02:00 in South Africa | 00:06 | |
| nosrednaekim | heh... this is fun, copying and pasting code from a GTK app to add features :) | 02:32 |
| nixternal | heh | 02:45 |
| nixternal | glad you think it is fun..I thought the gtk version was the ugliest code I have ever looked at | 02:45 |
| nixternal | big time lack of documentation | 02:45 |
| Jucato | me_loves_gtk_syntax_like_this(); | 02:46 |
| nixternal | hahahha | 02:46 |
| Jucato | good_morning_with_text(GOBJECT(nixternal), "Hello!!"); | 02:47 |
| nixternal | you know, one of my buddies does dev work with Gtk, and he told me that Qt/KDE tags are weird | 02:47 |
| nixternal | that is because we document our code, they document their code in their tags | 02:47 |
| Jucato | and I'm presuming he's using C anyway :) | 02:47 |
| nixternal | this_is_the_string_analyzer_code_to_generate_128_bit_string_combinations_to_name_your_child(); | 02:48 |
| Jucato | I was just browsing through a GTK programming chapter in an old (2002 or 2004?) Linux book and my head ached by the time I got past hello world :) | 02:48 |
| * Jucato is still interested in GTK+ as a phenomenon... but really can't stand their C syntax... gtkmm maybe... | 02:49 | |
| nixternal | ahh, Visual Studio 2008 | 02:54 |
| Jucato | oh btw nixternal, I won't be able to make it to the meeting later. hope jpatrick makes minutes again :( | 02:54 |
| nixternal | I just gave Microsoft Expression Studio a try, and it is the new Frontpage it seems | 02:54 |
| nixternal | when is the meeting? | 02:54 |
| nixternal | oh, I definitely won't be there, that is 05:00 | 02:54 |
| Jucato | yikes | 02:55 |
| Jucato | maybe next time | 02:55 |
| * Jucato really feels out of the loop | 02:55 | |
| * Jucato is on stage 2 of writing a konvi feature... | 02:55 | |
| Jucato | I think I'm one small reason why Konvi 1.1 isn't released yet :P | 02:55 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:56 |
| * ryanakca just finished watching "Shake Hands With The Devil"... darn good movie. But I'll keep my political commentary to myself :) | 02:57 | |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:58 |
| ryanakca | ouch... early here too... 6:00... oh well, I'll just read the logs as usual :) | 02:59 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:59 |
| nosrednaekim | nixternal: uhhh oh, now its not fun....I have to modify the newprinter UI.... | 03:17 |
| nosrednaekim | at least, I think I do. | 03:18 |
| nixternal | UI work is the most fun | 03:18 |
| nosrednaekim | not when you have to try to make it identical to the GTK one so that all the copy and paste code works... | 03:20 |
| nosrednaekim | hrm... I'll work this tomorrow... getting a bit to late to work :) | 03:22 |
| nixternal | never to late to code | 03:22 |
| nosrednaekim | I don't take caffeine ;) | 03:23 |
| * nosrednaekim falls over into bed and goes to sleep | 03:38 | |
| coreymon77 | i use caffeine on my computer | 04:15 |
| coreymon77 | its a useful little mac app | 04:16 |
| n8k99 | i use kaffeine on my computer | 04:18 |
| n8k99 | its a useful little kde app | 04:18 |
| Jucato | I use {c,k}affeine in my body | 04:25 |
| Jucato | it's a useful little substance | 04:26 |
| coreymon77 | lol | 04:29 |
| coreymon77 | kaffeine is a media player | 04:29 |
| coreymon77 | caffeine is a little app that prevents your laptop screen from dimming or going to sleep, great when watching youtube videos etc | 04:29 |
| coreymon77 | caffeine is also a little substance that prevents you from going to sleep, great when watchin youtube videos etc | 04:30 |
| coreymon77 | :P | 04:30 |
| coreymon77 | wow, leave it to ontario to come up with wacko viral marketing campaigns | 04:32 |
| coreymon77 | have you guys heard of the crazy obay ads | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...meeting | 06:59 |
| manchicken | ? | 07:05 |
| Hobbsee | tonight | 07:06 |
| nixternal | in like 3.5 hours | 07:28 |
| nixternal | ewww | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 07:29 |
| * Hobbsee may, or may not be, still awake by then | 07:29 | |
| nixternal | I know I won't be..hehe | 07:29 |
| nixternal | http://www.break.com/index/talking-cat-hates-waking-up.html | 07:33 |
| nixternal | hahahahahahahahaha | 07:33 |
| mornfall | Better. | 08:48 |
| mornfall | Anyone recall what I promised for alpha 4? :) | 08:50 |
| mornfall | +s | 08:50 |
| mornfall | I've just done conffile handling, which is one of the major stumbling blocks with Adept 2.x. | 08:50 |
| mornfall | (I think Adept 2 will crash if you have a conffile conflict... which is pretty ugly.) | 08:51 |
| mornfall | Ah, right, some error handling and dpkg --configure -a. | 08:55 |
| Serega | hiya | 09:59 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: yay! | 10:04 |
| jpatrick | morning all | 10:33 |
| jpatrick | hi Lure_ | 10:33 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: minutes shall be done, in fact the templete is already ready | 10:34 |
| jpatrick | Kubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 15 minutes. | 10:45 |
| Hobbsee | hurrah! | 10:48 |
| * Hobbsee is even on kubuntu! | 10:48 | |
| Lure_ | hi jpatrick & Hobbsee | 10:49 |
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| jpatrick | Lure: just in time :) | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | hi Lure! | 10:49 |
| Lure | did not have much time for foss in last weeks (or is it months already :-)), hope to be able to contribute some in near future | 10:50 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: stop bashing the guy in -ops and join in ;-) | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 10:50 |
| jpatrick | smarter_: #ubuntu-meeting | 11:06 |
| smarter_ | I almost forgot :} | 11:06 |
| jpatrick | not much happening tho | 11:07 |
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| Hobbsee | so, at what point should i step down from the council? or should i wait until we get phased out anyway? | 11:19 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: UDS probably | 11:20 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: i won't be there | 11:21 |
| * Hobbsee didnt' get an invite, probably due to being distractive, and being otherwise inactive | 11:21 | |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: I think it's one of JR's topics for discussion there | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, true | 11:21 |
| Dekans | hello all | 11:32 |
| Dekans | I have an issue with kde3.5.9 and usb devices | 11:33 |
| Dekans | on both gutsy and hardy | 11:33 |
| Dekans | when I plug in a usb key, kded takes all the cpu resources | 11:33 |
| Hobbsee | oh, frig. | 11:52 |
| * Hobbsee curses the kde4 data loss. | 11:52 | |
| Hobbsee | it's done it *again* | 11:53 |
| === jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Add ideas https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSummerOfCodeIdeas | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Wednesday 19th 23:00UTC | Hug Day! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080228/KDE | ||
| Hobbsee | if kde4 can't stop deleting the majority of my akregator feeds every time i run it in kde4, then i either won't run kde4, or won't run akregator in it | 11:57 |
| * jpatrick publishs http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/minutes/ | 11:57 | |
| Hobbsee | because this is ridiculous. | 11:57 |
| nareshov | oops | 12:04 |
| nareshov | what's CategoryHomepage on the wiki? | 12:04 |
| jpatrick | hi nareshov | 12:04 |
| jpatrick | nareshov: for personal pages | 12:05 |
| nareshov | why did the change I made to my own page got mailed to 5 others? | 12:05 |
| nareshov | s/got/get/ | 12:05 |
| jpatrick | it doesn't matter | 12:05 |
| nareshov | ok | 12:05 |
| jussi01 | jpatrick: hei, what was the out come of the dragon player idea at the meeting? | 12:15 |
| jpatrick | jussi01: "meh" | 12:15 |
| jussi01 | hehe... right | 12:15 |
| * jpatrick loves rsync | 12:17 | |
| keffie_jayx | is kubuntu+1 under feature freeze ? | 12:19 |
| jpatrick | keffie_jayx: noone's begun work on ibex | 12:19 |
| keffie_jayx | jpatrick, let me see if I understand. the only work that can be done for ibex is specs for next uds | 12:20 |
| jpatrick | yep | 12:20 |
| keffie_jayx | ahhhh | 12:20 |
| jpatrick | right now, bug fixes | 12:21 |
| nosrednaekim | gah... missed the meeting | 13:07 |
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| === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey | ||
| mornfall | Poke. Anyone with knowledge of software-properties thingy, does it do apt-get update when things change? | 14:15 |
| smarter | mornfall: adept_batch update iirc | 14:19 |
| mornfall | D'oh. | 14:19 |
| mornfall | I should probably implement update in adept then. | 14:21 |
| nosrednaekim | mornfall: hows the qt4 port going? | 14:22 |
| mornfall | Well, s/port/rewrite/ :). | 14:22 |
| mornfall | It... does things. | 14:23 |
| mornfall | nosrednaekim: Get it at https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive | 14:23 |
| nosrednaekim | awesome.. I will :) | 14:25 |
| nosrednaekim | oh, rewrite? thats good! | 14:25 |
| mornfall | I am just permanently short on time... | 14:30 |
| nosrednaekim | ah... can't test it, it needs a newer version fo QT... | 14:35 |
| nosrednaekim | (i'm still on gutsy) | 14:35 |
| mornfall | It's built on current development (whatever was it called). | 14:35 |
| nosrednaekim | 4.3.3 | 14:36 |
| mornfall | No I mean the distro. Hoary? | 14:37 |
| mornfall | Hardy. | 14:38 |
| mornfall | Whatever :-). | 14:38 |
| mornfall | Hoary was some time back maybe... | 14:38 |
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| nosrednaekim | oh yeah,.... hardy | 14:40 |
| nosrednaekim | I'm going to have to load hardy for some testing thing | 14:41 |
| mornfall | Well, you could install it into a virtual machine or a chroot or something :-). | 14:41 |
| nosrednaekim | nah, i have extra partition for testing | 14:41 |
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| n8k99 | silly question ti8me | 15:29 |
| n8k99 | s/time/ti8me | 15:29 |
| n8k99 | nvrfmnd | 15:30 |
| n8k99 | ok if i build kde4 from anonsvn should i remove the packages which are install from the launchpad ppa? | 15:44 |
| ryanakca | n8k99: most likely, but #kubuntu-kde4 would be a better place to ask | 15:46 |
| n8k99 | thanks | 15:46 |
| Jucato | basically depends on how you've setup the KDE 4 environment and where you're installing KDE 4 to | 15:47 |
| * n8k99 used aptitude install | 15:48 | |
| Jucato | um.. you said build from svn, so I presumed compiled | 15:48 |
| n8k99 | not yet | 15:48 |
| n8k99 | am getting ready to do that | 15:49 |
| Jucato | you can build KDE 4 from svn and leave distro-specific packages intact if you follow the techbase guide | 15:50 |
| n8k99 | checking it out right now | 15:50 |
| katcita | hi | 15:51 |
| katcita | I asked in #kubuntu but nobody could answer so I'm trying here, everytime I restart my computer or my network, my extra dns are removed from resolv.conf and I have to add them manually, anyway I can get them to survive a restart? | 15:52 |
| n8k99 | Jucato: so if i follow the techbase instructions verbatum, i do not need to remove the ppa packages | 15:54 |
| n8k99 | and i'll be able to play with the bleeding edge | 15:55 |
| n8k99 | ?? | 15:55 |
| Jucato | n8k99: yep. coz you'll be basically 1. using a different user for KDE 4 and 2. installing in that user's home | 15:55 |
| Jucato | fatally bleeding :) | 15:55 |
| n8k99 | haha | 15:56 |
| * n8k99 needs/wants development packages in order to, um, develop | 15:56 | |
| Jucato | for your GSoc? :D | 15:56 |
| n8k99 | for my hope of GSoC | 15:57 |
| Jucato | :D | 15:57 |
| * n8k99 quit counting chickens in the embroyo stage a long time ago | 15:58 | |
| Jucato | mornfall: software-properties itself doesn't run apt-get update (or any apt command iirc) when it changes the sources.list. it relies on the app that calls it to do that | 15:58 |
| Jucato | mornfall: that was one of the problems with adept_installer, which doesn't have an update() member function (which I tried to implement, but sort of gave up along the way :P) | 15:59 |
| glatzor | Jucato: no, s-p detects if it runs as child window or not. | 16:01 |
| glatzor | Jucato: if not it calls synaptic or adept | 16:02 |
| Jucato | glatzor: hm.. ok... I was probably only looking at it from the point of view of being called from Adept Manager or Adept Installer | 16:02 |
| smarter | katcita: sudo chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf | 16:03 |
| Jucato | I forgot the details (like I said, I dropped it a whle back), but in Adept Manager, if the process calling s-p ended (with a certain return status), Adept Manager would run it's update() function (apt-get update). | 16:03 |
| Jucato | but Adept Installer (which previously didn't have a way to call s-p) doesn't have an update(), so apt-get update is never run (even if you're asked if you want to Reload and you chose that action) | 16:04 |
| smarter | I also tried to include an update() function in adept_installer one day | 16:05 |
| Jucato | I was *almost* successful in that I was able to call apt-get update and display the "Fetching Updates" view... | 16:06 |
| smarter | I only achieved to add dcop calls to adept_manager :} | 16:06 |
| Jucato | but I got stuck into returning to the first/default view of application lists :( | 16:06 |
| Jucato | then saw mornfall's revived work and porting of Adept, so I basically called it quits :) | 16:07 |
| * ryanakca wonders if there's any backports needing some love? | 16:53 | |
| ryanakca | And do we still need last week's hugday link in the topic? | 16:54 |
| mornfall | Re. | 17:02 |
| nixternal | mornin' | 17:37 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: i've been making some fairly significant chnages to the system-config-printer program, should I create my own branch? I rellay don't want to mess up your branch. | 17:37 |
| nosrednaekim | hey nixternal.....not exactly morning though | 17:39 |
| nixternal | 20 minutes until noon here | 17:39 |
| nosrednaekim | oh... guess you still have 20 minutes left where you are. | 17:39 |
| nixternal | went to a great software development forum today, all free software, and heard some great talks | 17:40 |
| nixternal | with that said, no more concentrating on PyQt4, or Python in general, back to working in C++ | 17:41 |
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| ryanakca | woah, 27936 ryan 20 0 128m 15m 9996 R 34.3 3.1 2324:35 kwin ... 34% CPU | 18:01 |
| nosrednaekim | ryanakca: my Xorg is using 22% of my memory | 18:03 |
| ryanakca | nosrednaekim: kwin at 48.7% now... hmmm. Wonder why it decided to hog a lot all of a sudden... trackerd is following with 30% :S | 18:06 |
| ryanakca | nosrednaekim: KDE3 or KDE4? | 18:06 |
| nosrednaekim | 4 | 18:06 |
| ryanakca | heh. | 18:08 |
| ryanakca | oooh, new icons on the 'leave' pannel of kickoff :) | 18:09 |
| coreymon77 | well, theres definitely one thing that ive noticed thats much better on kde4 | 18:09 |
| coreymon77 | dolphin sure got a hell of a lot of work | 18:09 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah.... its actually quite nice | 18:09 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: d3lphin was not that good | 18:13 |
| coreymon77 | but dolphin, im impressed | 18:13 |
| coreymon77 | plasma needs work though | 18:14 |
| nixternal | you want impressive, do a trunk build of KDE 4 | 18:18 |
| coreymon77 | my linux box prob couldnt handle it :P | 18:19 |
| coreymon77 | hardy+1 better be an lts, because im gonna have to stop upgrading soon | 18:21 |
| nosrednaekim | ryanakca: some guys complaing about the same thing in 0kde4 | 18:22 |
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| nixternal | hardy+4 will be the next LTS | 18:24 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: I could do that :) | 18:26 |
| ryanakca | how different is it from 4.0.2? | 18:27 |
| nixternal | big time different | 18:28 |
| nixternal | not as buggy for one, more functionality | 18:28 |
| ryanakca | hmm... | 18:30 |
| * ryanakca guesses he might as well go from source | 18:30 | |
| fftb | nixternal: do i need to compile qt-copy for trunk? | 18:37 |
| nixternal | yes | 18:37 |
| nixternal | qt-copy from trunk is Qt 4.4 | 18:38 |
| fftb | nixternal: hmm, compiling doesnt work for me here today, is qt-copy often broken? should i simply wait a revision or two? | 18:39 |
| nixternal | something is wrong with your configuration...the current qt-copy builds fine | 18:39 |
| fftb | hmm, i'll take a look | 18:40 |
| tlayton | nixternal: are you using the kdesvn-build script? | 18:54 |
| nixternal | no, I use the cmakekde and a simple little bash script that runs through the modules in order | 18:54 |
| nixternal | actually isn't even a bash script | 18:55 |
| nixternal | cd $module && svn up && cb && make install | 18:55 |
| tlayton | nixternal: installing it locally to the user, or globably like /usr/lib/kde4? | 18:56 |
| nixternal | local | 18:56 |
| tlayton | thx. think i may build it again. been a couple of months | 18:58 |
| ryanakca | would there be any point in packaging kdesvn-build? | 19:36 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: probably not | 19:45 |
| fftb | nixternal: hey, i really must have screwed up my qt-copy configuration somehow... now builds fine now | 19:54 |
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| === smarter_ is now known as smarter | ||
| jjesse | wow its sunny outside | 20:56 |
| jjesse | but way cold | 20:56 |
| coreymon77 | blizzard here | 20:56 |
| jjesse | ohio area? | 20:56 |
| nosrednaekim | its just raining here... and its not too cold | 20:57 |
| khussein | Is there a way to enable the internal mic in Dell D830 ? | 21:02 |
| nosrednaekim | khussein: support in #kubuntu | 21:03 |
| khussein | OK Thanks | 21:03 |
| nixternal | anyone here use editmoin? | 21:06 |
| coreymon77 | jjesse: no, what americans call the frozen north | 21:09 |
| coreymon77 | jjesse: even though we are farther south that some american states and cities | 21:09 |
| jjesse | coreymon77: was just curious as i was flying out of cinci on friday morning | 21:09 |
| jjesse | and i caught the last flight before they closed the airport | 21:09 |
| jjesse | coreymon77: so you in toronto? | 21:11 |
| coreymon77 | jjesse: yup | 21:11 |
| jjesse | :0 | 21:12 |
| jjesse | i think where i live grand rapids, mi is farther north then toronto | 21:12 |
| coreymon77 | jjesse: howd you guess? | 21:12 |
| emu | nixternal: Will you (or another guy) publish the alpha 6 announcement? | 21:12 |
| nixternal | emu: hrmm, I thought it did get published by yuriy | 21:13 |
| emu | nixternal: there is no message on www.kubuntu.org | 21:14 |
| nixternal | that is Riddell who posts those, he is the only one with access | 21:14 |
| emu | nixternal: ok so it will be no problem if we publish our german announcement on www.kubuntu-de.org | 21:15 |
| emu | and link it from wiki.kubuntu.org? | 21:15 |
| nixternal | ya, go ahead | 21:15 |
| nixternal | that is fine | 21:15 |
| emu | and its no problem if its no "exact" translation but a bit more "text"? | 21:16 |
| nixternal | sure | 21:17 |
| emu | thx | 21:17 |
| nosrednaekim | ok, so I made a branch on launchpad, and uploaded code that I had checked out from another repository to it. now how di I commit to my new branch? as soon as I push does it switch the address for "bzr commit"? | 21:27 |
| jjesse | nosrednaekim: i think you need to do a bzr bind to bind it to the new address | 21:27 |
| nosrednaekim | jjesse: thanks, that worked | 21:30 |
| jjesse | nosrednaekim: np, the guys/girls on #launchpad helped me out with that once | 21:30 |
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| blueyed | How is running a program from alt-f2 different then starting it from a konsole? (in kde 4.0.2) Running e.g. "firefox" from alt-f2 gives a nice theme, from konsole or with the .desktop menu link from K-menu does result in a more ugly gtk theme. | 21:46 |
| smarter | does someone know what causes https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/199145 ? | 21:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:47 |
| nosrednaekim | blueyed: I've wondered about that... same thing happened to me | 21:47 |
| blueyed | nosrednaekim: thiago told me on #kde-devel, that it's probably the different environment (shell's vs kdeinit's) | 21:50 |
| nosrednaekim | blueyed: ah, ok | 21:50 |
| blueyed | nosrednaekim: what's "echo $GTK2_RC_FILES" from your konsole? | 21:54 |
| nosrednaekim | :/home/michael/.kde4/share/config/gtkrc-2.0 | 21:55 |
| blueyed | nosrednaekim: unsetting this then probably gives a "nicer gtk theme" for you, too.. | 22:13 |
| blueyed | ..this setting is probably used by the .desktop menu file, too.. and therefore "run command" and using the menu entry are different. | 22:13 |
| nosrednaekim | what setting blueyed? | 22:16 |
| nixternal | ScottK: found a funny for you: | 22:25 |
| nixternal | What is Launchpad? Launchpad is a free software hosting and development website. | 22:25 |
| nixternal | https://launchpad.net/launchpad | 22:25 |
| nixternal | launchpad is hosted on a free software hosting and development website :p | 22:25 |
| nosrednaekim | hehe | 22:26 |
| gribelu | smarter: i submited a comment to bug 199145 that might help | 22:27 |
| smarter | gribelu: I just found a fix | 22:27 |
| gribelu | ah cool | 22:28 |
| gribelu | was it the same problem that i mentioned? | 22:28 |
| smarter | yes | 22:29 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199145 | 22:36 |
| smarter | Riddell: could you please have a look at bug #199145 and the proposed patch backported from trunk? | 22:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199145 | 22:38 |
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| === neversfelde is now known as neversfelde|away | ||
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