[00:00] <buks> I cant install kubuntu-kde4 alpha 6 over a LAN, there is no option to install the desktop :(
[00:06]  * buks thinks everyone is probably asleep because its 02:00 in South Africa
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> heh... this is fun, copying and pasting code from a GTK app to add features :)
[02:45] <nixternal> heh
[02:45] <nixternal> glad you think it is fun..I thought the gtk version was the ugliest code I have ever looked at
[02:45] <nixternal> big time lack of documentation
[02:46] <Jucato> me_loves_gtk_syntax_like_this();
[02:46] <nixternal> hahahha
[02:47] <Jucato> good_morning_with_text(GOBJECT(nixternal), "Hello!!");
[02:47] <nixternal> you know, one of my buddies does dev work with Gtk, and he told me that Qt/KDE tags are weird
[02:47] <nixternal> that is because we document our code, they document their code in their tags
[02:47] <Jucato> and I'm presuming he's using C anyway :)
[02:48] <nixternal> this_is_the_string_analyzer_code_to_generate_128_bit_string_combinations_to_name_your_child();
[02:48] <Jucato> I was just browsing through a GTK programming chapter in an old (2002 or 2004?) Linux book and my head ached by the time I got past hello world :)
[02:49]  * Jucato is still interested in GTK+ as a phenomenon... but really can't stand their C syntax... gtkmm maybe...
[02:54] <nixternal> ahh, Visual Studio 2008
[02:54] <Jucato> oh btw nixternal, I won't be able to make it to the meeting later. hope jpatrick makes minutes again :(
[02:54] <nixternal> I just gave Microsoft Expression Studio a try, and it is the new Frontpage it seems
[02:54] <nixternal> when is the meeting?
[02:54] <nixternal> oh, I definitely won't be there, that is 05:00
[02:55] <Jucato> yikes
[02:55] <Jucato> maybe next time
[02:55]  * Jucato really feels out of the loop
[02:55]  * Jucato is on stage 2 of writing a konvi feature...
[02:55] <Jucato> I think I'm one small reason why Konvi 1.1 isn't released yet :P
[02:56] <nixternal> hehe
[02:57]  * ryanakca just finished watching "Shake Hands With The Devil"... darn good movie. But I'll keep my political commentary to myself :)
[02:58] <nixternal> hehe
[02:59] <ryanakca> ouch... early here too... 6:00... oh well, I'll just read the logs as usual :)
[02:59] <nixternal> hehe
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: uhhh oh, now its not fun....I have to modify the newprinter UI....
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> at least, I think I do.
[03:18] <nixternal> UI work is the most fun
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> not when you have to try to make it identical to the GTK one so that all the copy and paste code works...
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> hrm... I'll work this tomorrow... getting a bit to late to work :)
[03:22] <nixternal> never to late to code
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> I don't take caffeine ;)
[03:38]  * nosrednaekim falls over into bed and goes to sleep
[04:15] <coreymon77> i use caffeine on my computer
[04:16] <coreymon77> its a useful little mac app
[04:18] <n8k99> i use kaffeine on my computer
[04:18] <n8k99> its a useful little kde app
[04:25] <Jucato> I use {c,k}affeine in my body
[04:26] <Jucato> it's a useful little substance
[04:29] <coreymon77> lol
[04:29] <coreymon77> kaffeine is a media player
[04:29] <coreymon77> caffeine is a little app that prevents your laptop screen from dimming or going to sleep, great when watching youtube videos etc
[04:30] <coreymon77> caffeine is also a little substance that prevents you from going to sleep, great when watchin youtube videos etc
[04:30] <coreymon77> :P
[04:32] <coreymon77> wow, leave it to ontario to come up with wacko viral marketing campaigns
[04:32] <coreymon77> have you guys heard of the crazy obay ads
[06:59] <Hobbsee> mmm...meeting
[07:05] <manchicken> ?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> tonight
[07:28] <nixternal> in like 3.5 hours
[07:28] <nixternal> ewww
[07:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:29]  * Hobbsee may, or may not be, still awake by then
[07:29] <nixternal> I know I won't be..hehe
[07:33] <nixternal> http://www.break.com/index/talking-cat-hates-waking-up.html
[07:33] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahaha
[08:48] <mornfall> Better.
[08:50] <mornfall> Anyone recall what I promised for alpha 4? :)
[08:50] <mornfall> +s
[08:50] <mornfall> I've just done conffile handling, which is one of the major stumbling blocks with Adept 2.x.
[08:51] <mornfall> (I think Adept 2 will crash if you have a conffile conflict... which is pretty ugly.)
[08:55] <mornfall> Ah, right, some error handling and dpkg --configure -a.
[09:59] <Serega> hiya
[10:04] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yay!
[10:33] <jpatrick> morning all
[10:33] <jpatrick> hi Lure_
[10:34] <jpatrick> Jucato: minutes shall be done, in fact the templete is already ready
[10:45] <jpatrick> Kubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 15 minutes.
[10:48] <Hobbsee> hurrah!
[10:48]  * Hobbsee is even on kubuntu!
[10:49] <Lure_> hi jpatrick & Hobbsee
[10:49] <jpatrick> Lure: just in time :)
[10:49] <Hobbsee> hi Lure!
[10:50] <Lure> did not have much time for foss in last weeks (or is it months already :-)), hope to be able to contribute some in near future
[10:50] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: stop bashing the guy in -ops and join in ;-)
[10:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:06] <jpatrick> smarter_: #ubuntu-meeting
[11:06] <smarter_> I almost forgot :}
[11:07] <jpatrick> not much happening tho
[11:19] <Hobbsee> so, at what point should i step down from the council? or should i wait until we get phased out anyway?
[11:20] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: UDS probably
[11:21] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: i won't be there
[11:21]  * Hobbsee didnt' get an invite, probably due to being distractive, and being otherwise inactive
[11:21] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I think it's one of JR's topics for discussion there
[11:21] <Hobbsee> yeah, true
[11:32] <Dekans> hello all
[11:33] <Dekans> I have an issue with kde3.5.9 and usb devices
[11:33] <Dekans> on both gutsy and hardy
[11:33] <Dekans> when I plug in a usb key, kded takes all the cpu resources
[11:52] <Hobbsee> oh, frig.
[11:52]  * Hobbsee curses the kde4 data loss.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> it's done it *again*
[11:57] <Hobbsee> if kde4 can't stop deleting the majority of my akregator feeds every time i run it in kde4, then i either won't run kde4, or won't run akregator in it
[11:57]  * jpatrick publishs http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/minutes/
[11:57] <Hobbsee> because this is ridiculous.
[12:04] <nareshov> oops
[12:04] <nareshov> what's CategoryHomepage on the wiki?
[12:04] <jpatrick> hi nareshov
[12:05] <jpatrick> nareshov: for personal pages
[12:05] <nareshov> why did the change I made to my own page got mailed to 5 others?
[12:05] <nareshov> s/got/get/
[12:05] <jpatrick> it doesn't matter
[12:05] <nareshov> ok
[12:15] <jussi01> jpatrick: hei, what was the out come of the dragon player idea at the meeting?
[12:15] <jpatrick> jussi01: "meh"
[12:15] <jussi01> hehe... right
[12:17]  * jpatrick loves rsync
[12:19] <keffie_jayx> is kubuntu+1 under feature freeze ?
[12:19] <jpatrick> keffie_jayx: noone's begun work on ibex
[12:20] <keffie_jayx> jpatrick,  let me see if I understand. the only work that can be done for ibex is specs for next uds
[12:20] <jpatrick> yep
[12:20] <keffie_jayx> ahhhh
[12:21] <jpatrick> right now, bug fixes
[13:07] <nosrednaekim> gah... missed the meeting
[14:15] <mornfall> Poke. Anyone with knowledge of software-properties thingy, does it do apt-get update when things change?
[14:19] <smarter> mornfall: adept_batch update iirc
[14:19] <mornfall> D'oh.
[14:21] <mornfall> I should probably implement update in adept then.
[14:22] <nosrednaekim> mornfall: hows the qt4 port going?
[14:22] <mornfall> Well, s/port/rewrite/ :).
[14:23] <mornfall> It... does things.
[14:23] <mornfall> nosrednaekim: Get it at https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> awesome.. I will :)
[14:25] <nosrednaekim> oh, rewrite? thats good!
[14:30] <mornfall> I am just permanently short on time...
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> ah... can't test it, it needs a newer version fo QT...
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> (i'm still on gutsy)
[14:35] <mornfall> It's built on current development (whatever was it called).
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> 4.3.3
[14:37] <mornfall> No I mean the distro. Hoary?
[14:38] <mornfall> Hardy.
[14:38] <mornfall> Whatever :-).
[14:38] <mornfall> Hoary was some time back maybe...
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> oh yeah,.... hardy
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> I'm going to have to load hardy for some testing thing
[14:41] <mornfall> Well, you could install it into a virtual machine or a chroot or something :-).
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> nah, i have extra partition for testing
[15:29] <n8k99> silly question ti8me
[15:29] <n8k99> s/time/ti8me
[15:30] <n8k99> nvrfmnd
[15:44] <n8k99> ok if i build kde4 from anonsvn should i remove the packages which are install from the launchpad ppa?
[15:46] <ryanakca> n8k99: most likely, but #kubuntu-kde4 would be a better place to ask
[15:46] <n8k99> thanks
[15:47] <Jucato> basically depends on how you've setup the KDE 4 environment and where you're installing KDE 4 to
[15:48]  * n8k99 used aptitude install 
[15:48] <Jucato> um.. you said build from svn, so I presumed compiled
[15:48] <n8k99> not yet
[15:49] <n8k99> am getting ready to do that
[15:50] <Jucato> you can build KDE 4 from svn and leave distro-specific packages intact if you follow the techbase guide
[15:50] <n8k99> checking it out right now
[15:51] <katcita> hi
[15:52] <katcita> I asked in #kubuntu but nobody could answer so I'm trying here, everytime I restart my computer or my network, my extra dns are removed from resolv.conf and I  have to add them manually, anyway I can get them to survive a restart?
[15:54] <n8k99> Jucato: so if i follow the techbase instructions verbatum, i do not need to remove the ppa packages
[15:55] <n8k99> and i'll be able to play with the bleeding edge
[15:55] <n8k99> ??
[15:55] <Jucato> n8k99: yep. coz you'll be basically 1. using a different user for KDE 4 and 2. installing in that user's home
[15:55] <Jucato> fatally bleeding :)
[15:56] <n8k99> haha
[15:56]  * n8k99 needs/wants development packages in order to, um, develop
[15:56] <Jucato> for your GSoc? :D
[15:57] <n8k99> for my hope of GSoC
[15:57] <Jucato> :D
[15:58]  * n8k99 quit counting chickens in the embroyo stage a long time ago
[15:58] <Jucato> mornfall: software-properties itself doesn't run apt-get update (or any apt command iirc) when it changes the sources.list. it relies on the app that calls it to do that
[15:59] <Jucato> mornfall: that was one of the problems with adept_installer, which doesn't have an update() member function (which I tried to implement, but sort of gave up along the way :P)
[16:01] <glatzor> Jucato: no, s-p detects if it runs as child window or not.
[16:02] <glatzor> Jucato: if not it calls synaptic or adept
[16:02] <Jucato> glatzor: hm.. ok... I was probably only looking at it from the point of view of being called from Adept Manager or Adept Installer
[16:03] <smarter> katcita: sudo chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf
[16:03] <Jucato> I forgot the details (like I said, I dropped it a whle back), but in Adept Manager, if the process calling s-p ended (with a certain return status), Adept Manager would run it's update() function (apt-get update).
[16:04] <Jucato> but Adept Installer (which previously didn't have a way to call s-p) doesn't have an update(), so apt-get update is never run (even if you're asked if you want to Reload and you chose that action)
[16:05] <smarter> I also tried to include an update() function in adept_installer one day
[16:06] <Jucato> I was *almost* successful in that I was able to call apt-get update and display the "Fetching Updates" view...
[16:06] <smarter> I only achieved to add dcop calls to adept_manager :}
[16:06] <Jucato> but I got stuck into returning to the first/default view of application lists :(
[16:07] <Jucato> then saw mornfall's revived work and porting of Adept, so I basically called it quits :)
[16:53]  * ryanakca wonders if there's any backports needing some love?
[16:54] <ryanakca> And do we still need last week's hugday link in the topic?
[17:02] <mornfall> Re.
[17:37] <nixternal> mornin'
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: i've been making some fairly significant chnages to the system-config-printer program, should I create my own branch? I rellay don't want to mess up your branch.
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> hey nixternal.....not exactly morning though
[17:39] <nixternal> 20 minutes until noon here
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> oh... guess you still have 20 minutes left where you are.
[17:40] <nixternal> went to a great software development forum today, all free software, and heard some great talks
[17:41] <nixternal> with that said, no more concentrating on PyQt4, or Python in general, back to working in C++
[18:01] <ryanakca> woah, 27936 ryan      20   0  128m  15m 9996 R 34.3  3.1   2324:35 kwin ... 34% CPU
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca: my Xorg is using 22% of my memory
[18:06] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: kwin at 48.7% now... hmmm. Wonder why it decided to hog a lot all of a sudden... trackerd is following with 30% :S
[18:06] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: KDE3 or KDE4?
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> 4
[18:08] <ryanakca> heh.
[18:09] <ryanakca> oooh, new icons on the 'leave' pannel of kickoff :)
[18:09] <coreymon77> well, theres definitely one thing that ive noticed thats much better on kde4
[18:09] <coreymon77> dolphin sure got a hell of a lot of work
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... its actually quite nice
[18:13] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: d3lphin was not that good
[18:13] <coreymon77> but dolphin, im impressed
[18:14] <coreymon77> plasma needs work though
[18:18] <nixternal> you want impressive, do a trunk build of KDE 4
[18:19] <coreymon77> my linux box prob couldnt handle it :P
[18:21] <coreymon77> hardy+1 better be an lts, because im gonna have to stop upgrading soon
[18:22] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca: some guys complaing about the same thing in 0kde4
[18:24] <nixternal> hardy+4 will be the next LTS
[18:26] <ryanakca> nixternal: I could do that :)
[18:27] <ryanakca> how different is it from 4.0.2?
[18:28] <nixternal> big time different
[18:28] <nixternal> not as buggy for one, more functionality
[18:30] <ryanakca> hmm...
[18:30]  * ryanakca guesses he might as well go from source
[18:37] <fftb> nixternal: do i need to compile qt-copy for trunk?
[18:37] <nixternal> yes
[18:38] <nixternal> qt-copy from trunk is Qt 4.4
[18:39] <fftb> nixternal: hmm, compiling doesnt work for me here today, is qt-copy often broken? should i simply wait a revision or two?
[18:39] <nixternal> something is wrong with your configuration...the current qt-copy builds fine
[18:40] <fftb> hmm, i'll take a look
[18:54] <tlayton> nixternal: are you using the kdesvn-build script?
[18:54] <nixternal> no, I use the cmakekde and a simple little bash script that runs through the modules in order
[18:55] <nixternal> actually isn't even a bash script
[18:55] <nixternal> cd $module && svn up && cb && make install
[18:56] <tlayton> nixternal: installing it locally to the user, or globably like /usr/lib/kde4?
[18:56] <nixternal> local
[18:58] <tlayton> thx. think i may build it again. been a couple of months
[19:36] <ryanakca> would there be any point in packaging kdesvn-build?
[19:45] <nixternal> ryanakca: probably not
[19:54] <fftb> nixternal: hey, i really must have screwed up my qt-copy configuration somehow... now builds fine now
[20:56] <jjesse> wow its sunny outside
[20:56] <jjesse> but way cold
[20:56] <coreymon77> blizzard here
[20:56] <jjesse> ohio area?
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> its just raining here... and its not too cold
[21:02] <khussein> Is there a way to enable the internal mic in Dell D830 ?
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> khussein: support in #kubuntu
[21:03] <khussein> OK Thanks
[21:06] <nixternal> anyone here use editmoin?
[21:09] <coreymon77> jjesse: no, what americans call the frozen north
[21:09] <coreymon77> jjesse: even though we are farther south that some american states and cities
[21:09] <jjesse> coreymon77: was just curious as i was flying out of cinci on friday morning
[21:09] <jjesse> and i caught the last flight before they closed the airport
[21:11] <jjesse> coreymon77: so you in toronto?
[21:11] <coreymon77> jjesse: yup
[21:12] <jjesse> :0
[21:12] <jjesse> i think where i live grand rapids, mi is farther north then toronto
[21:12] <coreymon77> jjesse: howd you guess?
[21:12] <emu> nixternal: Will you (or another guy) publish the alpha 6 announcement?
[21:13] <nixternal> emu: hrmm, I thought it did get published by yuriy
[21:14] <emu> nixternal: there is no message on www.kubuntu.org
[21:14] <nixternal> that is Riddell who posts those, he is the only one with access
[21:15] <emu> nixternal: ok so it will be no problem if we publish our german announcement on www.kubuntu-de.org
[21:15] <emu> and link it from wiki.kubuntu.org?
[21:15] <nixternal> ya, go ahead
[21:15] <nixternal> that is fine
[21:16] <emu> and its no problem if its no "exact" translation but a bit more "text"?
[21:17] <nixternal> sure
[21:17] <emu> thx
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> ok, so I made a branch on launchpad, and uploaded code that I had checked out from another repository to it. now how di I commit to my new branch? as soon as I push does it switch the address for "bzr commit"?
[21:27] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: i think you need to do a bzr bind to bind it to the new address
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: thanks, that worked
[21:30] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: np, the guys/girls on #launchpad helped me out with that once
[21:46] <blueyed> How is running a program from alt-f2 different then starting it from a konsole? (in kde 4.0.2) Running e.g. "firefox" from alt-f2 gives a nice theme, from konsole or with the .desktop menu link from K-menu does result in a more ugly gtk theme.
[21:47] <smarter> does someone know what causes https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/199145 ?
[21:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> blueyed: I've wondered about that... same thing happened to me
[21:50] <blueyed> nosrednaekim: thiago told me on #kde-devel, that it's probably the different environment (shell's vs kdeinit's)
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> blueyed: ah, ok
[21:54] <blueyed> nosrednaekim: what's "echo $GTK2_RC_FILES" from your konsole?
[21:55] <nosrednaekim> :/home/michael/.kde4/share/config/gtkrc-2.0
[22:13] <blueyed> nosrednaekim: unsetting this then probably gives a "nicer gtk theme" for you, too..
[22:13] <blueyed> ..this setting is probably used by the .desktop menu file, too.. and therefore "run command" and using the menu entry are different.
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> what setting blueyed?
[22:25] <nixternal> ScottK: found a funny for you:
[22:25] <nixternal> What is Launchpad? Launchpad is a free software hosting and development website.
[22:25] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/launchpad
[22:25] <nixternal> launchpad is hosted on a free software hosting and development website :p
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[22:27] <gribelu> smarter: i submited a comment to bug 199145 that might help
[22:27] <smarter> gribelu: I just found a fix
[22:28] <gribelu> ah cool
[22:28] <gribelu> was it the same problem that i mentioned?
[22:29] <smarter> yes
[22:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199145
[22:38] <smarter> Riddell: could you please have a look at bug #199145 and the proposed patch backported from trunk?
[22:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199145