[00:00] I cant install kubuntu-kde4 alpha 6 over a LAN, there is no option to install the desktop :( [00:06] * buks thinks everyone is probably asleep because its 02:00 in South Africa [02:32] heh... this is fun, copying and pasting code from a GTK app to add features :) [02:45] heh [02:45] glad you think it is fun..I thought the gtk version was the ugliest code I have ever looked at [02:45] big time lack of documentation [02:46] me_loves_gtk_syntax_like_this(); [02:46] hahahha [02:47] good_morning_with_text(GOBJECT(nixternal), "Hello!!"); [02:47] you know, one of my buddies does dev work with Gtk, and he told me that Qt/KDE tags are weird [02:47] that is because we document our code, they document their code in their tags [02:47] and I'm presuming he's using C anyway :) [02:48] this_is_the_string_analyzer_code_to_generate_128_bit_string_combinations_to_name_your_child(); [02:48] I was just browsing through a GTK programming chapter in an old (2002 or 2004?) Linux book and my head ached by the time I got past hello world :) [02:49] * Jucato is still interested in GTK+ as a phenomenon... but really can't stand their C syntax... gtkmm maybe... [02:54] ahh, Visual Studio 2008 [02:54] oh btw nixternal, I won't be able to make it to the meeting later. hope jpatrick makes minutes again :( [02:54] I just gave Microsoft Expression Studio a try, and it is the new Frontpage it seems [02:54] when is the meeting? [02:54] oh, I definitely won't be there, that is 05:00 [02:55] yikes [02:55] maybe next time [02:55] * Jucato really feels out of the loop [02:55] * Jucato is on stage 2 of writing a konvi feature... [02:55] I think I'm one small reason why Konvi 1.1 isn't released yet :P [02:56] hehe [02:57] * ryanakca just finished watching "Shake Hands With The Devil"... darn good movie. But I'll keep my political commentary to myself :) [02:58] hehe [02:59] ouch... early here too... 6:00... oh well, I'll just read the logs as usual :) [02:59] hehe [03:17] nixternal: uhhh oh, now its not fun....I have to modify the newprinter UI.... [03:18] at least, I think I do. [03:18] UI work is the most fun [03:20] not when you have to try to make it identical to the GTK one so that all the copy and paste code works... [03:22] hrm... I'll work this tomorrow... getting a bit to late to work :) [03:22] never to late to code [03:23] I don't take caffeine ;) [03:38] * nosrednaekim falls over into bed and goes to sleep [04:15] i use caffeine on my computer [04:16] its a useful little mac app [04:18] i use kaffeine on my computer [04:18] its a useful little kde app [04:25] I use {c,k}affeine in my body [04:26] it's a useful little substance [04:29] lol [04:29] kaffeine is a media player [04:29] caffeine is a little app that prevents your laptop screen from dimming or going to sleep, great when watching youtube videos etc [04:30] caffeine is also a little substance that prevents you from going to sleep, great when watchin youtube videos etc [04:30] :P [04:32] wow, leave it to ontario to come up with wacko viral marketing campaigns [04:32] have you guys heard of the crazy obay ads [06:59] mmm...meeting [07:05] ? [07:06] tonight [07:28] in like 3.5 hours [07:28] ewww [07:29] heh [07:29] * Hobbsee may, or may not be, still awake by then [07:29] I know I won't be..hehe [07:33] http://www.break.com/index/talking-cat-hates-waking-up.html [07:33] hahahahahahahahaha [08:48] Better. [08:50] Anyone recall what I promised for alpha 4? :) [08:50] +s [08:50] I've just done conffile handling, which is one of the major stumbling blocks with Adept 2.x. [08:51] (I think Adept 2 will crash if you have a conffile conflict... which is pretty ugly.) [08:55] Ah, right, some error handling and dpkg --configure -a. [09:59] hiya [10:04] mornfall: yay! [10:33] morning all [10:33] hi Lure_ [10:34] Jucato: minutes shall be done, in fact the templete is already ready [10:45] Kubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 15 minutes. [10:48] hurrah! [10:48] * Hobbsee is even on kubuntu! [10:49] hi jpatrick & Hobbsee === Lure_ is now known as Lure [10:49] Lure: just in time :) [10:49] hi Lure! [10:50] did not have much time for foss in last weeks (or is it months already :-)), hope to be able to contribute some in near future [10:50] Hobbsee: stop bashing the guy in -ops and join in ;-) [10:50] heh [11:06] smarter_: #ubuntu-meeting [11:06] I almost forgot :} [11:07] not much happening tho === smarter_ is now known as smarter [11:19] so, at what point should i step down from the council? or should i wait until we get phased out anyway? [11:20] Hobbsee: UDS probably [11:21] jpatrick: i won't be there [11:21] * Hobbsee didnt' get an invite, probably due to being distractive, and being otherwise inactive [11:21] Hobbsee: I think it's one of JR's topics for discussion there [11:21] yeah, true [11:32] hello all [11:33] I have an issue with kde3.5.9 and usb devices [11:33] on both gutsy and hardy [11:33] when I plug in a usb key, kded takes all the cpu resources [11:52] oh, frig. [11:52] * Hobbsee curses the kde4 data loss. [11:53] it's done it *again* === jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Add ideas https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSummerOfCodeIdeas | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Wednesday 19th 23:00UTC | Hug Day! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080228/KDE [11:57] if kde4 can't stop deleting the majority of my akregator feeds every time i run it in kde4, then i either won't run kde4, or won't run akregator in it [11:57] * jpatrick publishs http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/minutes/ [11:57] because this is ridiculous. [12:04] oops [12:04] what's CategoryHomepage on the wiki? [12:04] hi nareshov [12:05] nareshov: for personal pages [12:05] why did the change I made to my own page got mailed to 5 others? [12:05] s/got/get/ [12:05] it doesn't matter [12:05] ok [12:15] jpatrick: hei, what was the out come of the dragon player idea at the meeting? [12:15] jussi01: "meh" [12:15] hehe... right [12:17] * jpatrick loves rsync [12:19] is kubuntu+1 under feature freeze ? [12:19] keffie_jayx: noone's begun work on ibex [12:20] jpatrick, let me see if I understand. the only work that can be done for ibex is specs for next uds [12:20] yep [12:20] ahhhh [12:21] right now, bug fixes [13:07] gah... missed the meeting === kewark is now known as krawek === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey [14:15] Poke. Anyone with knowledge of software-properties thingy, does it do apt-get update when things change? [14:19] mornfall: adept_batch update iirc [14:19] D'oh. [14:21] I should probably implement update in adept then. [14:22] mornfall: hows the qt4 port going? [14:22] Well, s/port/rewrite/ :). [14:23] It... does things. [14:23] nosrednaekim: Get it at https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive [14:25] awesome.. I will :) [14:25] oh, rewrite? thats good! [14:30] I am just permanently short on time... [14:35] ah... can't test it, it needs a newer version fo QT... [14:35] (i'm still on gutsy) [14:35] It's built on current development (whatever was it called). [14:36] 4.3.3 [14:37] No I mean the distro. Hoary? [14:38] Hardy. [14:38] Whatever :-). [14:38] Hoary was some time back maybe... === kewark is now known as krawek [14:40] oh yeah,.... hardy [14:41] I'm going to have to load hardy for some testing thing [14:41] Well, you could install it into a virtual machine or a chroot or something :-). [14:41] nah, i have extra partition for testing === _czessi is now known as Czessi [15:29] silly question ti8me [15:29] s/time/ti8me [15:30] nvrfmnd [15:44] ok if i build kde4 from anonsvn should i remove the packages which are install from the launchpad ppa? [15:46] n8k99: most likely, but #kubuntu-kde4 would be a better place to ask [15:46] thanks [15:47] basically depends on how you've setup the KDE 4 environment and where you're installing KDE 4 to [15:48] * n8k99 used aptitude install [15:48] um.. you said build from svn, so I presumed compiled [15:48] not yet [15:49] am getting ready to do that [15:50] you can build KDE 4 from svn and leave distro-specific packages intact if you follow the techbase guide [15:50] checking it out right now [15:51] hi [15:52] I asked in #kubuntu but nobody could answer so I'm trying here, everytime I restart my computer or my network, my extra dns are removed from resolv.conf and I have to add them manually, anyway I can get them to survive a restart? [15:54] Jucato: so if i follow the techbase instructions verbatum, i do not need to remove the ppa packages [15:55] and i'll be able to play with the bleeding edge [15:55] ?? [15:55] n8k99: yep. coz you'll be basically 1. using a different user for KDE 4 and 2. installing in that user's home [15:55] fatally bleeding :) [15:56] haha [15:56] * n8k99 needs/wants development packages in order to, um, develop [15:56] for your GSoc? :D [15:57] for my hope of GSoC [15:57] :D [15:58] * n8k99 quit counting chickens in the embroyo stage a long time ago [15:58] mornfall: software-properties itself doesn't run apt-get update (or any apt command iirc) when it changes the sources.list. it relies on the app that calls it to do that [15:59] mornfall: that was one of the problems with adept_installer, which doesn't have an update() member function (which I tried to implement, but sort of gave up along the way :P) [16:01] Jucato: no, s-p detects if it runs as child window or not. [16:02] Jucato: if not it calls synaptic or adept [16:02] glatzor: hm.. ok... I was probably only looking at it from the point of view of being called from Adept Manager or Adept Installer [16:03] katcita: sudo chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf [16:03] I forgot the details (like I said, I dropped it a whle back), but in Adept Manager, if the process calling s-p ended (with a certain return status), Adept Manager would run it's update() function (apt-get update). [16:04] but Adept Installer (which previously didn't have a way to call s-p) doesn't have an update(), so apt-get update is never run (even if you're asked if you want to Reload and you chose that action) [16:05] I also tried to include an update() function in adept_installer one day [16:06] I was *almost* successful in that I was able to call apt-get update and display the "Fetching Updates" view... [16:06] I only achieved to add dcop calls to adept_manager :} [16:06] but I got stuck into returning to the first/default view of application lists :( [16:07] then saw mornfall's revived work and porting of Adept, so I basically called it quits :) [16:53] * ryanakca wonders if there's any backports needing some love? [16:54] And do we still need last week's hugday link in the topic? [17:02] Re. [17:37] mornin' [17:37] Riddell: i've been making some fairly significant chnages to the system-config-printer program, should I create my own branch? I rellay don't want to mess up your branch. [17:39] hey nixternal.....not exactly morning though [17:39] 20 minutes until noon here [17:39] oh... guess you still have 20 minutes left where you are. [17:40] went to a great software development forum today, all free software, and heard some great talks [17:41] with that said, no more concentrating on PyQt4, or Python in general, back to working in C++ === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [18:01] woah, 27936 ryan 20 0 128m 15m 9996 R 34.3 3.1 2324:35 kwin ... 34% CPU [18:03] ryanakca: my Xorg is using 22% of my memory [18:06] nosrednaekim: kwin at 48.7% now... hmmm. Wonder why it decided to hog a lot all of a sudden... trackerd is following with 30% :S [18:06] nosrednaekim: KDE3 or KDE4? [18:06] 4 [18:08] heh. [18:09] oooh, new icons on the 'leave' pannel of kickoff :) [18:09] well, theres definitely one thing that ive noticed thats much better on kde4 [18:09] dolphin sure got a hell of a lot of work [18:09] yeah.... its actually quite nice [18:13] nosrednaekim: d3lphin was not that good [18:13] but dolphin, im impressed [18:14] plasma needs work though [18:18] you want impressive, do a trunk build of KDE 4 [18:19] my linux box prob couldnt handle it :P [18:21] hardy+1 better be an lts, because im gonna have to stop upgrading soon [18:22] ryanakca: some guys complaing about the same thing in 0kde4 === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey [18:24] hardy+4 will be the next LTS [18:26] nixternal: I could do that :) [18:27] how different is it from 4.0.2? [18:28] big time different [18:28] not as buggy for one, more functionality [18:30] hmm... [18:30] * ryanakca guesses he might as well go from source [18:37] nixternal: do i need to compile qt-copy for trunk? [18:37] yes [18:38] qt-copy from trunk is Qt 4.4 [18:39] nixternal: hmm, compiling doesnt work for me here today, is qt-copy often broken? should i simply wait a revision or two? [18:39] something is wrong with your configuration...the current qt-copy builds fine [18:40] hmm, i'll take a look [18:54] nixternal: are you using the kdesvn-build script? [18:54] no, I use the cmakekde and a simple little bash script that runs through the modules in order [18:55] actually isn't even a bash script [18:55] cd $module && svn up && cb && make install [18:56] nixternal: installing it locally to the user, or globably like /usr/lib/kde4? [18:56] local [18:58] thx. think i may build it again. been a couple of months [19:36] would there be any point in packaging kdesvn-build? [19:45] ryanakca: probably not [19:54] nixternal: hey, i really must have screwed up my qt-copy configuration somehow... now builds fine now === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === smarter_ is now known as smarter [20:56] wow its sunny outside [20:56] but way cold [20:56] blizzard here [20:56] ohio area? [20:57] its just raining here... and its not too cold [21:02] Is there a way to enable the internal mic in Dell D830 ? [21:03] khussein: support in #kubuntu [21:03] OK Thanks [21:06] anyone here use editmoin? [21:09] jjesse: no, what americans call the frozen north [21:09] jjesse: even though we are farther south that some american states and cities [21:09] coreymon77: was just curious as i was flying out of cinci on friday morning [21:09] and i caught the last flight before they closed the airport [21:11] coreymon77: so you in toronto? [21:11] jjesse: yup [21:12] :0 [21:12] i think where i live grand rapids, mi is farther north then toronto [21:12] jjesse: howd you guess? [21:12] nixternal: Will you (or another guy) publish the alpha 6 announcement? [21:13] emu: hrmm, I thought it did get published by yuriy [21:14] nixternal: there is no message on www.kubuntu.org [21:14] that is Riddell who posts those, he is the only one with access [21:15] nixternal: ok so it will be no problem if we publish our german announcement on www.kubuntu-de.org [21:15] and link it from wiki.kubuntu.org? [21:15] ya, go ahead [21:15] that is fine [21:16] and its no problem if its no "exact" translation but a bit more "text"? [21:17] sure [21:17] thx [21:27] ok, so I made a branch on launchpad, and uploaded code that I had checked out from another repository to it. now how di I commit to my new branch? as soon as I push does it switch the address for "bzr commit"? [21:27] nosrednaekim: i think you need to do a bzr bind to bind it to the new address [21:30] jjesse: thanks, that worked [21:30] nosrednaekim: np, the guys/girls on #launchpad helped me out with that once === neversfelde2 is now known as neversfelde [21:46] How is running a program from alt-f2 different then starting it from a konsole? (in kde 4.0.2) Running e.g. "firefox" from alt-f2 gives a nice theme, from konsole or with the .desktop menu link from K-menu does result in a more ugly gtk theme. [21:47] does someone know what causes https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/199145 ? [21:47] Launchpad bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed] [21:47] blueyed: I've wondered about that... same thing happened to me [21:50] nosrednaekim: thiago told me on #kde-devel, that it's probably the different environment (shell's vs kdeinit's) [21:50] blueyed: ah, ok [21:54] nosrednaekim: what's "echo $GTK2_RC_FILES" from your konsole? [21:55] :/home/michael/.kde4/share/config/gtkrc-2.0 [22:13] nosrednaekim: unsetting this then probably gives a "nicer gtk theme" for you, too.. [22:13] ..this setting is probably used by the .desktop menu file, too.. and therefore "run command" and using the menu entry are different. [22:16] what setting blueyed? [22:25] ScottK: found a funny for you: [22:25] What is Launchpad? Launchpad is a free software hosting and development website. [22:25] https://launchpad.net/launchpad [22:25] launchpad is hosted on a free software hosting and development website :p [22:26] hehe [22:27] smarter: i submited a comment to bug 199145 that might help [22:27] gribelu: I just found a fix [22:28] ah cool [22:28] was it the same problem that i mentioned? [22:29] yes [22:36] Launchpad bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199145 [22:38] Riddell: could you please have a look at bug #199145 and the proposed patch backported from trunk? [22:38] Launchpad bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199145 === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 === neversfelde is now known as neversfelde|away