[00:07] <purepwnage> feedback: I dislike the menu event sounds, when you click on the clock for the calendar or choose an item from the main menu.
[00:12] <teethdood> anyone else hate FF3.0 as much as me? Scrolling stutters, url autocomplete list is all crap, bookmark cannot be sorted easily, etc
[00:12] <teethdood> not to mention being greyed out so many times
[00:14] <theacolyte> Interesting, I can only boot into X if I go into recovery mode and manually init 5
[00:14] <theacolyte> any idears
[00:18] <buks> hi, the powers that be over at #kubuntu-ops pointed me here (I feel I'm being watched), so let me ask: I am having a problem installing kubuntu-kde4 alpha 6 via the LAN. the option to install the desktop is missing
[00:46] <lime4x4> anyone else having issues with bluttoth disconnecting after screen saver is activated in hardy 64 bit?
[01:44] <BaD_CrC> new_ubu_user: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo (for dual monitors) & https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto
[01:44] <new_ubu_user> i was hoping someone here's been able to do ti
[01:44] <new_ubu_user> i have been all over those threads
[01:48] <SoNiC_Ubu> BaD_CrC: have you done ad auth?
[01:49] <BaD_CrC> not with ubuntu, but i have with fedora
[01:49] <BaD_CrC> like around FC5 or so
[01:49] <SoNiC_Ubu> think you can help me get this PC to authenticate with ad?
[01:49] <SoNiC_Ubu> I am dual booted right now
[01:50] <SoNiC_Ubu> and when I installed, i did do the admin and 1 domain user account i checked those when it asked about migrating
[01:50] <SoNiC_Ubu> and I am using hardy right now
[01:50] <SoNiC_Ubu> because it said it was built in
[01:51] <BaD_CrC> i would if i wasn't on my blackberry right now.
[01:52] <SoNiC_Ubu> heh
[01:55] <emet> !info hotwire
[01:55] <ubotu> hotwire (source: hotwire): Extensible graphical command execution shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.620-2 (hardy), package size 103 kB, installed size 816 kB
[02:13] <naught102> anyone know if there wasa  blueprint or a wishlist item relating to the new inclusion of the ~/Documents folder in Hardy?
[02:30] <naught101> or even if that was a new thing in hardy?
[02:30] <pwnguin> its not
[02:31] <naught101> pwn: when was it brought in?
[02:31] <pwnguin> not sure. dapper?
[02:32] <naught101> no. I installed feisty from CD, and it didn't have it
[02:32] <naught101> I net-upgraded to gutsy
[02:33] <naught101> unless it came into feisty after the alphas
[02:35] <naught101> ah.. unless it's a gnome thing...
[02:35] <pwnguin> i think its part of xdg
[02:36] <naught101> I don't know what that is
[02:36] <pwnguin> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
[02:37] <pwnguin> maybe not
[02:39] <pwnguin> seems like gutsy
[02:39] <pwnguin> i donno
[02:39] <pwnguin> ive been using a documents folder for  ages
[02:39] <pwnguin> have it linked to a seperate storage drive
[02:42] <naught101> I don't really care about the documents folder, I just want to find a wishlist item, or a blueprint relating to it
[02:42] <naught101> I'd really like to see a ~/,config, or ~/.prefs
[02:42] <naught101> to store all hidden preference files
[02:42] <nomasteryoda> they are starting to get that way... on hardy
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> the .config in !~
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> ~
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> mine has all sorts of good preferences
[02:43] <pwnguin> there is
[02:43] <pwnguin> a .config
[02:43] <pwnguin> with exactly what you want
[02:43] <pwnguin> and this is XDG
[02:43] <nomasteryoda> i just wish this Hardy would let my mouse work again... cause it stopped working with an update on might have been wednesday
[02:44] <pwnguin> nomasteryoda: tried an xorg.conf?
[02:44] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:44] <nomasteryoda> took my previous one that worked last week
[02:44] <nomasteryoda> it has some custom stuff for wacom and synaptics pad
[02:45] <naught101> pwnguin: I know it's in XDG, but it isn't in (*)buntu
[02:45] <pwnguin> was your wacom working without an xorg conf?
[02:45] <nomasteryoda> it did
[02:45] <pwnguin> naught101: why should every change require a blueprint?
[02:46] <naught101> pwnguin: I didn't say that. I was just trying to find out if there was one
[02:46] <pwnguin> naught101: ubuntu's role is to direct a modicum of development efforts, represent their users to upstream, and generally take work done upstream back to users
[02:46] <nomasteryoda> but ... the touchpad would not do scroll or anything right except drag/drop... until i made a good xorg.conf... the input-hotplug is supposed to fix this stuff.. .but have not seen anything good from it yet
[02:46] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:46] <jadams> I've got a Toshiba Satellite A510 (or thereabouts).  I'm using Hardy Heron, latest updates applied.  It's an AMD64 system, vanilla kernel.  My mic input is nothing but static.  What can I do to troubleshoot it?
[02:46] <pwnguin> all this said, i vaguely recall the spec
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> what's it doing jadams ?
[02:47] <jadams> massive static
[02:48] <nomasteryoda> oh, duh... sorry
[02:48] <nomasteryoda> did you look at the pulseaudio settings?
[02:49] <nomasteryoda> i've seen something like that before but on another distro...
[02:49] <jadams> which settings should I look at?  A config file somewhere, or an app, or what?
[02:49] <jadams> I've looked at the volume control applet
[02:49] <jadams> which ties into pulseaudio fine in hardy
[02:49] <jadams> and flipped through all the inputs
[02:49] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:49] <lime4x4> what is needed to get cnn videos to work in 64 bit hardy?
[02:50] <nomasteryoda> i'm not in my hardy now.. due to bad mouse issues which seem to be xorg driver problem
[02:50] <jadams> lime4x4, have you looked at the nspluginwrapper? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341727
[02:50] <nomasteryoda> but i have pulse panel here in gutsy too
[02:50] <jadams> nomasteryoda, I love hardy, much better for me than gutsy on multiple systems
[02:50] <jadams> gutsy was a bad release for me
[02:50] <nomasteryoda> yea
[02:50] <jadams> across a wide range of hardware that I run
[02:50] <jadams> I have to say though, hardy + ubuntustudio is nice
[02:51] <jadams> if only my inputs would work
[02:51] <nomasteryoda> its very nice... but mouse not working... no mouse or pointer... it just sits there.. .keyboard ok, but no mouse
[02:51] <lime4x4> thanks i will give that a try
[02:52] <jadams> lime4x4, I run amd64 with flash, come back if you can't get it figured out
[02:55] <naught101> update-manager is designed for ubuntu, right?
[03:01] <lime4x4> now i get "you are currently using flash player 0
[03:01] <lime4x4> i also get the message about  missing plugins do u want to download them
[03:02] <darx> hi how can i install the full kde4 hardy desktop on ubuntu hardy?
[03:03] <darx> anybody home?
[03:03] <lime4x4> i beleive this will do it sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[03:04] <frozenheroblade> darx, #kubuntu-kde4
[03:04] <darx> cool
[03:04] <darx> also I don't have xgl installed and am running fglrx so would the kwin work?
[03:07] <darx> or whatever the 3d whizz bang stuff is called under kde4
[03:08] <ethana2> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3583/
[03:08] <ethana2> Any thoughts on this?
[03:08] <ethana2> I'm trying to get feedack..
[03:08] <ethana2> feedback*
[03:09] <pwnguin> im 99 percent sure thats impossible
[03:09] <pwnguin> without rewriting gtk
[03:09] <pwnguin> or at least every gtk app
[03:10] <ethana2> ah
[03:10] <ethana2> ok then
[03:10] <ethana2> on to xfce
[03:10] <ethana2> or maybe just waiting for 3.0
[03:10] <ethana2> it's worth doing, whatever it takes, imo
[03:11] <pwnguin> a billion dollars?
[03:13] <pwnguin> gtk menus have tear off options
[03:13] <pwnguin> see gimp for a fairly atrocious example
[03:14] <pwnguin> ethana2: how would this worth with the gimp, which has multiple windows
[03:14] <pwnguin> or with rhythmbox which has multiple content windows
[03:15] <ethana2> how do the apple folks do it?
[03:15] <pwnguin> do what?
[03:15] <ethana2> the panel applet for menu bar
[03:15] <ethana2> would have the menu for the currently in focus window
[03:15] <pwnguin> tight integration with the window manager
[03:15] <ethana2> you could do this and have everything be almost exactly the same
[03:15] <pwnguin> how would mplayer work?
[03:15] <ethana2> ?
[03:16] <ethana2> the same way it does now
[03:16] <ethana2> unless i'm missing something
[03:16] <pwnguin> gmplayer in particular
[03:16] <ethana2> should i install it and have a look?
[03:16] <ethana2> is it in hardy repos?
[03:16] <pwnguin> yes
[03:16] <ethana2> k
[03:16] <ethana2> just a minute
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> smplayer is the best
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> just my humble opinion
[03:17] <ethana2> i agree
[03:17] <ethana2> variable tempo playback
[03:17] <ethana2> crucial for classical music and rap
[03:17] <ethana2> ...amarok still doesn't have it
[03:17] <ethana2> 'fast forward' indeed
[03:17] <pwnguin> meh.
[03:17] <pwnguin> i just use mplayer for mkv playback
[03:17] <ethana2> ah
[03:18] <ethana2> no gmplayer in hardy repos
[03:18] <pwnguin> i think its part of mplayer now
[03:18] <ethana2> running mplayer...
[03:19] <ethana2> no menu bar?
[03:19] <pwnguin> indeed
[03:19] <ethana2> fine, no menu bar
[03:19] <ethana2> ...but i would reccomend that they do provide one
[03:20] <ethana2> they probably don't because the way we handle them now sucks
[03:20] <ethana2> ask 'em ;)
[03:20] <pwnguin> my question is, is this an attempt to provide osx like menus, or something bigger?
[03:20] <ethana2> much bigger
[03:20] <ethana2> that would be one of the many things it would allow is to simply and elegantly do
[03:21] <ethana2> it could very well involve rewriting a lot of stuff
[03:21] <ethana2> but it would become much more flexible and such.. so like i say, i think it'd be worth doing
[03:21] <pwnguin> unless you have an idea of what it takes to rewrite a lot of stuff, I don't really think you can make a valid assement like that
[03:21] <ethana2> well
[03:21] <ethana2> hmm
[03:22] <ethana2> what did it take to go from KDE 3.5.8 to KDE4?
[03:22] <pwnguin> donno
[03:22] <ethana2> it may be about a third as much work
[03:22] <ethana2> ...worst case scenario
[03:22] <jadams> what version of alsa is included with hardy?
[03:22] <pwnguin> but lots of apps still don't use qt4 or whatever
[03:22] <Exfil> i need help porting Photoshop cs2 to gusty, i have the adobe folder in the program files directory under wine but i cant seem to get the right registry key imported, when cs2 loads up it says it is unactivated, but it is activated on the xp machine
[03:23] <pwnguin> alsa-driver (1.0.16-0ubuntu3) hardy; urgency=low
[03:23] <pwnguin> man
[03:23] <pwnguin> Exfil: still the wrong channel
[03:25] <lunks> I have problems with my touchpad and an USB mouse on a HP dv6232br and Hardy.
[03:26] <lunks> After trying lots of things, I could make only one or other work. Right now, I have only USB mouse working and sometimes (after ghost-clicking with touchpad) both works.
[03:27] <lunks> My xorg.conf is a little messed up, but doesn't have anything special... I can upload it if anyone who can help wants, though.
[03:27] <ethana2> pwnguin: http://senduit.com/db9a6a one possible configuration
[03:28] <cyphase> Does anyone know why Tomboy and Stick Notes are both included in Hardy, especially since Tomboy can import sticky notes?
[03:28] <cyphase> is it just for people who want something simple?
[03:28] <pwnguin> oh
[03:28] <pwnguin> you're hosed
[03:29] <pwnguin> to know why, we need to learn what a window manager does versus the application
[03:30] <pwnguin> window managers draw the window decorators. if you've ever crashed gtk-window-decorator, what's left is what the program draws
[03:30] <ethana2> the window decorator does that
[03:30] <ethana2> ...and i'm saying hand off everything but window /content/ -to- that window decorator
[03:31] <ethana2> ...which will be the same code that draws desktop panels
[03:59] <lunks> someone? =~
[05:12] <dbmoodb> any major bugs in hardy atm  that i need to worry about ? (i have a working system -debian etch to complement it on the same system)
[05:13] <dbmoodb> can you apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade or do you have to use the update manager ?
[05:13] <DanaG> Argh, Ubuntu abuses my hard drive.
[05:13] <DanaG> Load. Unload.  Load.  Unload!
[05:14] <Flannel> dbmoodb: You can.  If you're doing it from dapper, theres one or two extra steps, but yes.
[05:14] <DanaG> How about either leaving the drive active, or leaving it idle?  Don't keep repeatedly idling and unidling.
[05:14] <dbmoodb> i am leaving debian there
[05:14] <dbmoodb> hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda
[05:14]  * DanaG ponders making a script that writes "load" and "unload" so some IRC channel every time it happens.
[05:14] <DanaG> 254 doesn't eliminate it.  Neither does 255.
[05:15] <dbmoodb> 254 should....
[05:15] <dbmoodb> - doesn't always for me but .... it should
[05:15] <DanaG> Also, the drive never spins down, even if I set the spindown time to 5 seconds.
[05:15] <DanaG> I can manually spin it down and it'll stay down for at least 30 seconds, so the failure to automatically spin down makes no sense.
[05:19] <DanaG> Perhaps it's unloading instead of spinning down.
[05:19] <DanaG> That makes no sense either, though.
[05:19] <Flannel> Isn't there a log?
[05:20] <dbmoodb> it does danag
[05:20] <DanaG> Argh, I downgraded from git compiz to the packaged one, and it trampled all over my config.
[05:20] <dbmoodb> linux doesn't have full support for it
[05:21] <DanaG> My drive is the Hitachi Travelstar 7k200-200
[05:21] <dbmoodb> i think i have that one or something similar
[05:21] <dbmoodb> it only matters if it is "putting it down"
[05:21] <dbmoodb> and up constantly
[05:21] <dbmoodb> smartctl -a /dev/sda|grep 193
[05:22] <dbmoodb> smart should tell you stuff :) - as you already know :)
[05:22] <DanaG> I grep for Count.
[05:22] <DanaG> Oh, and another thing pissing me off:  SCIMkeeps eating my spaces after CAPITALletters.
[05:22] <DanaG> Iend up looking rather stupid when SCIMdoes that.
[05:23] <dbmoodb> is this in hardy ?
[05:23] <DanaG> Yup.
[05:23] <dbmoodb> new "features" ?
[05:23] <DanaG> Ilike using SCIM, but Idon't like how it keeps eating my spaces.
[05:24] <DanaG> Shift-space..... does nothing whatsoever.
[05:24] <DanaG> What it SHOULDdo is give me a SPACE!
[05:24] <dbmoodb> DanaG: tried running hdparm -- and get that to get hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda
[05:25] <dbmoodb> don't follow why you would want to shift space - for some applications or indentation ?
[05:26] <DanaG> No, I want to shift-space so I don't have to explicitly let go of shift before hitting space after an all caps word.
[05:26] <dbmoodb> OH MY GOD TRY CAPSLOX
[05:26] <DanaG> Aah, fix: under "Generic Table", delete the Shift-Space binding.
[05:26] <dbmoodb> -- just for fun
[05:26] <dbmoodb> oh ... good
[05:27] <DanaG> CAPS LOCK IS CRU<gerk, you've probably heard that one.>
[05:27] <dbmoodb> i take it hardy is insane by default ?
[05:29] <dbmoodb> so can one apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade for hardy ? from gutsy ?
[05:29] <Flannel> dbmoodb: yes
[05:29] <dbmoodb> really ...
[05:29] <Flannel> dbmoodb: Of course.  Nothing special about hardy
[05:30] <dbmoodb> - assumed that there were scripts
[05:30] <dbmoodb> or something attached to the update manager in this case
[05:30] <Flannel> dbmoodb: update manager just automates the process, and does some sanity checks (metapackage installation, etc)
[05:32] <dbmoodb> so i should use that
[05:33] <DanaG> What the hell?  I just switched to a console and back to Xorg, and now all my keybindings are broken.
[05:33] <DanaG> I can't use ctrl-alt-arrow keys, and I can't alt-f4 or ctrl-w.
[05:33] <DanaG> And ctrl-a just gives me the letter 'a' once before doing a select-all.
[05:35] <DanaG> A piece of advice: if you value your sanity, don't upgrade to Hardy until this bug is fixed:  vhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 -- oh, and there it goes giving me the letter 'v' before the paste!
[05:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy) (dup-of: 194214)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[05:36] <DanaG> ANother related bug:  vhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/190934
[05:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:36] <DanaG> Sorry ઺򯫭
[05:37] <DanaG> argh, now it randomly switched to RAW CODE mode in SCIM.
[05:39] <DanaG> That bug is really really irritating.  I could spew thousands of swear words at it, but I won't do that here.
[05:39] <DanaG> Besides, I don't know that many separate swear words.  (heh.)
[05:39] <DanaG> s/separate/different/
[05:41] <DanaG> Argh, and it also makes it really dangerous trying to copy and paste, since you tend to just replace whole blocks of text with the letter 'c'.
[05:42] <DanaG> AAARGH!  HULK SMASH!
[05:43] <DanaG> When I press ctrl-alt-rightarrow, I get the SCIM menu, for some reason.
[05:50] <DanaG> yes $EXPLETIVE > /dev/null
[05:52] <DanaG> I wish some developer would comment on those bug reports.
[05:54] <naught102> AGRGH!!! open office is STILL breaking!
[05:55] <DanaG> How so?  Mine works.
[05:55] <DanaG> What's broken?
[05:55] <naught102> I can't install it because it needs writer2latex
[05:56] <naught102> and that's screwing up the style (I can't install adromeda, nor default style
[05:56] <naught102> openoffice.org-writer2latex to be exact
[05:57] <DanaG> Can't you just use another style?
[05:57] <naught102> yes, but base is also missing
[05:58] <naught102> maybe it's .au I might try another country
[05:58] <naught102> I mean main
[06:00] <naught102> DanaG: your is installed fine?
[06:01] <naught102> yours
[06:01] <naught102> with writer2latex?
[06:02] <DanaG> I don't even see a writer2latex.
[06:02] <DanaG> aptitude search 2latex
[06:02] <DanaG> p   gnuhtml2latex                   - A Perl script that converts html files to  (... end of terminal)
[06:03] <Flannel> DanaG: use apt-cache search
[06:03] <DanaG> Nothing for writer2latex.
[06:04] <Flannel> I meant to end the truncation
[06:05] <DanaG> aptitude show:    gnuhtml2latex is a Perl script that converts html files to latex files. It takes list of .html files as arguments and make .tex ones. Can also convert html stdin to latex stdout.
[06:06] <naught102> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4458803
[06:09] <DanaG> aah, I see: I don't have the full metapackage installed.  I just have the individual parts I need, such as core and specific apps.
[06:11] <naught102> yeah, but the default theme won't install anyway
[06:11] <naught102> I got the debian package as well
[06:12] <Nubbie> hi, i'm having issues with hardy... upon boot, i am met with an error that stat's something roughly like this: acpi_ec_wait, and it hangs there. i am able to boot the recovery kernel though... any thoughts?
[06:12] <Nubbie> i'm also having keyboard locks, i believe it is related.
[06:13] <Nubbie> i'm baffled.
[06:39] <pax``> Hi I have a problem with gnome-session. It seems to run the programs set to run on startup after 1-2 minutes after gnome-panel and everything is loaded up. Metacity also doesn't load at startup on it's own so I had to put it there manually, so I also don't have a window manager for 2 minutes. I'm doing something wrong or is this a known bug?
[06:50] <DanaG> Hmm, somebody try this in bash:  touch \ spacey
[06:50] <DanaG> then less \ <TAB>
[06:53] <DanaG> I get this upon holding tab:  less \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[06:53] <DanaG> It goes on forever, or until the system grinds to a halt due to memory usage.
[07:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> recent updates messed up my font rendering
[07:34] <pwnguin> check your dpi
[07:35] <macogw> true of everyone but me
[07:35] <macogw> because i *still* can't update
[07:36] <macogw> the bug report says it was fixed 18 hours ago...
[07:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> pwnguin, i always use 92, but seems like it's too small now..
[07:40] <DanaG> http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html
[07:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, thanks
[07:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so ppi = dpi?
[07:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, how do i use that?
[07:44] <DanaG> Enter your screen size and resolution, and it'll tell you the actual DPI of the display.
[07:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, k
[08:05] <Raspberry> who ordered the pizza?
[08:05] <Raspberry> I'm really hoping the package the MESA library fix soon
[08:43] <macogw> Raspberry: i forgot to order the pizza. now im hungry too though :(
[08:57] <karllenz> hey does hardy support the new macbook
[08:57] <karllenz> ie its wifi?
[08:58] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=656077 karllenz
[09:05] <karllenz> idk if that works
[09:06] <karllenz> how do i remove ndiswrapper
[09:29] <oxigen> hi all!
[09:30] <oxigen> 8.04 is really nice distro! i can finally use blender & compiz together too!
[09:30] <oxigen> but there are still issues with sound..
[09:36] <sigp239> I downloaded alpha 6 and it will not work on one of my computers.
[09:37] <sigp239> I can actually boot from the CD and get to the screen where I choose my language (English) and then I choose to boot from the Live CD. The screen goes black and there is some white text that says some stuff about the kernel mapping (I think this is normal) and after that it just goes totally black and never loads Ubuntu.
[09:37] <sigp239> I tried the same CD on my wife's Dell computer and it works fine. Can anyone help please?
[09:38] <oxigen> sigp239: on which hardware?
[09:39] <sigp239> GeForce 8800GTX
[09:39] <sigp239> Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz
[09:39] <sigp239> Asus P5B Deluxe motherboard
[09:39] <sigp239> NEC 20WMGX2 20.1" widescreen monitor
[09:39] <sigp239> 4GB Crucial Ballistix memory
[09:40] <oxigen> hmm, i'm just a user..
[09:40] <oxigen> but this graphics card is quite new, huh?
[09:41] <oxigen> did you try to boot in safe mode or something?
[09:42] <oxigen> looks like problem with default 'nvidia' driver
[09:43] <sigp239> could be
[09:43] <sigp239> how do I boot in safe mode?
[09:43] <oxigen> huh, i don't remember, but i think there's an option..
[09:44] <c_sokun> look like hardy 6 come with mysql pre-install is it true?
[09:44] <sigp239> I dont have ubuntu installed...I'm just trying to boot from the live cd
[09:44] <c_sokun> I just finished installation of alpha 6 and I got 79 update which include mysql-common :D
[09:46] <bazhang> need an op in #ubuntu
[09:46] <oxigen> bazhang: sudo su :P
[09:51] <sigp239> oxigen:  this video card has been out for at least 8 months
[09:51] <oxigen> sigp239: well, that's still young, i guess..
[09:53] <sigp239> I suppose
[09:53] <oxigen> you know there is no open info about this card, people need to do reverse engineering..
[09:53] <sigp239> so?
[09:53] <sigp239> ubuntu does not support nvidia cards?
[09:53] <oxigen> well this take time
[09:54] <oxigen> check also ubuntu forums about this card issues..
[09:54] <sigp239> so I cannot use nvidia cards with linux?
[09:55] <oxigen> i have 7600 and it work great
[09:57] <sigp239> so I have installed linux with my card before, it should work
[09:58] <oxigen> well, as i said, i'm just a user here, i can only guess..
[09:58] <oxigen> did you check ubuntu forums?
[10:00] <oxigen> i waited more than one year for the 64 bit distro which i can install on my hardware. 8.04 finally work as it should
[10:01] <sigp239> I am using 64 bit also.
[10:01] <oxigen> yea, but you have newer graphics card
[10:01] <macogw> sigp239: try getting the driver from nvidia.com
[10:02] <macogw> sigp239: idk if it works on 64bit or not though
[10:02] <sigp239> how do I do that?
[10:02] <sigp239> I'm just trying to boot the install CD
[10:02] <macogw> go to nvidia.com and download it
[10:02] <macogw> oh
[10:02] <oxigen> sigp239: you should report a bug
[10:02] <macogw> do that oonce its installed then
[10:02] <oxigen> heh
[10:02] <sigp239> macogw:  I can't install
[10:02] <macogw> you can just use safe graphics mode for installing...just wont have 3D
[10:02] <macogw> sigp239: use the altnerate CD if safe graphics mode is failing
[10:02] <oxigen> yea, safe graphics mode is the way..
[10:03] <macogw> it's a text-based installer (has a gui once its installed though)
[10:03] <sigp239> macogw: How do I use safe graphics mode?
[10:05] <oxigen> sigp239: i think there's an option (lower left corner iirc)
[10:07] <sigp239> ok
[10:13] <sigp239> didn't work
[10:13] <oxigen> oh
[10:13] <sigp239> It tried to go into text mode but then I just got a black screen forever
[10:14] <oxigen> well, all i can suggest you now is to report a bug with added your hardware conf and wait for the next alpha.. :(
[10:16] <sigp239> this is not right.
[10:16] <oxigen> :)
[10:16] <sigp239> it should work on my computer
[10:16] <sigp239> I just checked, the geforce 8800 has been out for 2 years now
[10:16] <oxigen> but you will see how happy you will be once it will work! :)
[10:17] <oxigen> as i am now! \o/
[10:17] <sigp239> I don't think anyone will see my bug
[10:17] <oxigen> of course they will!
[10:17] <macogw> sigp239: try alpha 5 maybe?
[10:17] <macogw> there was some bug recently with nvidia, wasnt there?
[10:17] <sigp239> macogw: I tried alpha 5 before, it has the same problem
[10:17] <macogw> oh
[10:18] <oxigen> i have alpha 5 installed actually
[10:18] <macogw> well you can still try the alternate cd to install
[10:18] <sigp239> what does the alternate cd do?
[10:18] <macogw> and then the bug's just on the live cd
[10:18] <macogw> it's a text-based installer
[10:18] <macogw> you'll have a gui on the installed system
[10:18] <oxigen> yes, try that
[10:18] <macogw> but you use the arrow keys, tab, and enter to do the install
[10:18] <sigp239> macogw: I tried to go into text mode just now, and it didn't work
[10:19] <macogw> you cant do that from the live cd
[10:19] <macogw> its a completely separate disk
[10:19] <macogw> safe graphics mode means low resolution, no 3D. that's what you just tried.  alternate means text
[10:20] <oxigen> yes
[10:20] <sigp239> macogw: I didn't see safe graphics mode
[10:20] <oxigen> oh
[10:20] <macogw> should be the 3rd option maybe on the boot menu
[10:20] <sigp239> I just saw something like F6 Boot Options
[10:20] <sigp239> nothing that said safe graphics mode
[10:21] <macogw> it used to be the 2nd option but then they added "just install, no live environment"
[10:21] <macogw> hmm leme se..
[10:21] <macogw> *lemme see
[10:21]  * macogw boots the other laptop from hardy alpha 6 disk
[10:22] <macogw> woah it did poof
[10:22] <macogw> sigp239: ok text mode interface isnt an installer at all
[10:22] <macogw> thats for you to specify boot parameters
[10:22] <sigp239> oh.  well it didn't work anyway.
[10:23] <macogw> dang whered safe graphics go?
[10:23] <macogw> did they trash it under the assumption that X will ever always work 100% of the time? i hope not...
[10:23] <macogw> sigp239: try vga=771 for the option
[10:24] <sigp239> ok
[10:24] <macogw> thats what the help thing suggested :P
[10:24] <sigp239> ok
[10:24] <sigp239> I'm downloading the alternate cd right now
[10:27] <coz_> hey all
[10:27] <sigp239> 604kB/s
[10:27] <sigp239> so why is there no safe graphics mode in alpha 6?
[10:28] <oxigen> report a bug! :P
[10:29] <oxigen> you know that's also one way of supporting ubuntu!
[10:29] <macogw> there's no OEM mode on hardy either
[10:29] <macogw> i want to report a bug to Backtrack (Slack-based security distro) for releasing a 701MB iso
[10:30] <oxigen> developers like good bug reports!
[10:30] <macogw> i just submitted two bug reports
[10:30] <macogw> bug #199771
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199771 in kdeedu "Half the words in KTouch aren't real words or are incomplete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199771
[10:30] <macogw> and bug #199773
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199773 in kdeedu "KTouch doesn't have a way to measure wpm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199773
[10:31] <macogw> ktouch is how *not* to spell words
[10:32] <oxigen> hmm, 701MB iso is tricky one indeed! :)
[10:33] <macogw> one better: at a security conference they gae out live security toolkit dvds that also had some mp3's...and no mp3 decoders
[10:34] <macogw> s/gae/gave
[10:34] <macogw> oxigen: ^
[10:34] <Ayabara> anyone using FF3.0 and a dark theme? the userContent.css I had to make this nice in FF2 doesn't seem to do the trick anymore
[10:34] <oxigen> macogw: haha
[10:43] <isaac> hi there
[10:43] <isaac> just dist-upgraded today (my last dist-upgrade was two weeks ago or so)
[10:43] <isaac> and now gnome is completely broken from my user
[10:43] <isaac> but a new user work flawlessly
[10:44] <isaac> gnome-panel freezes after loading the menu and the logout applet
[10:44] <isaac> and any other gnome app I try to launch freezes too
[10:44] <isaac> any idea? :)
[10:55] <savvas> isaac: did you use update-manager -d ?
[10:56] <savvas> dist-upgrade usually breaks stuff :\
[10:56] <muszek> hi
[10:57] <muszek> I just got external sound blaster mp3+ (usb sound card)... anyone got something similar to work?
[10:58] <muszek> the only sound I get out of it is those "bells" (the ones you hear after you log in to gnome) when I plug this card in (even if I plug it 5 minutes after logging in).
[10:58] <muszek> I haven't heard it make any other sounds yet...
[10:58] <savvas> er..
[10:58] <savvas> muszek: try volume control -> file -> change device
[10:59] <muszek> done that
[11:00] <savvas> hm.. there was a kernel module for sound blaster..
[11:00] <muszek> one other weird thing: if I even touch the master slider, the left channel goes all the way to the bottom and can't be raised.  I can move the right channel.
[11:01] <savvas> sudo modprobe snd-sb-common ?
[11:01] <muszek> I've entered "modinfo soundcore" according to http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-usb-audio and I have it loaded
[11:02] <savvas> ah ok, I'm not very familiar with these
[11:02] <muszek> I've done what you said - it didn't do anything
[11:02] <muszek> at least there was no output
[11:02] <savvas> have you tried with OSS?
[11:04] <muszek> no
[11:04] <muszek> how do I do that?
[11:05] <savvas> well no idea, from what I see on my soundcard, i have hda intel on alsa and realtek on oss
[11:07] <savvas> alsa-oss ? :\
[11:07] <muszek> where do you have those options?  volume control -> file -> change device?
[11:07] <savvas> yep
[11:07] <muszek> I have... 9 different options there - went through all of them with no luck
[11:08] <muszek> I guess I'll start by booting to gutsy to see if it worked fine before pulse audio came
[11:09] <savvas> try the live cd, it'll save you some time instead of installing everything back
[11:09] <savvas> unless you have a dual boot :)
[11:09] <muszek> sure :)
[11:10] <muszek> thanks for your help, bye
[11:32] <savvas> oh god
[11:32] <savvas> 37.3mb of a firefox crash report
[11:33] <savvas> *37.7mb
[11:33] <savvas> how the heck am I supposed to upload this one?!
[11:34] <savvas> firefox crashed with SIGSEGV in NS_InvokeByIndex_P()
[11:40] <Amaranth> savvas: Yeah, I can't help you
[11:40] <Amaranth> And please don't PM people without asking
[11:42] <savvas> ah you were here
[11:42] <savvas> didn't see you, i saw Amaranth_ leaving
[11:48] <gilster32> anyone here got experience using DVD-RAM discs in any ubuntu release? i am trying to get some native gui support for them
[12:02] <timing> howly! haha
[12:02] <timing> pressing shift and some chars give's me weird characters
[12:03] <timing> hello how are you: HELLOሕኦAREውይኦኡ?
[12:03] <timing> ህምm
[12:04] <timing> ስሂት ምይ ተርሚናል ኢስ ብሮከን ኖw
[12:04] <rsk> timing: me2
[12:04] <rsk> change i the gnome panel back to english
[12:05] <timing> hello test
[12:05] <timing> yeah
[12:05] <timing> okay
[12:05] <timing> so why is this auto ?
[12:05] <timing> oo
[12:05] <timing> shift +space is doing this
[12:06] <rsk> some new default afaik
[12:06] <rsk> noticed it also
[12:06] <timing> ugh
[12:06] <timing> how do i disable the thing?
[12:06] <timing> it's not in the services gui thing
[12:07] <rsk> i closed the app in the menu
[12:07] <rsk> rightclick exit
[12:07] <rsk> =)
[12:07] <timing> it starts up again
[12:08] <yemu> hi i have problem with mounting nfs shares in hardy
[12:08] <yemu> the shares are on a servr running gutsy
[12:09] <yemu> it's been broken for a couple of days
[12:09] <yemu> earlier it worked ok
[12:09] <yemu> and even mounted autmatically
[12:09] <yemu> now it doesn't neither automatically nor from command line
[12:15] <amikrop> In Battle for Wesnoth, why the Campaign button does nothing (I can't start a new campaign)?
[12:22] <rsk> amikrop: do you have the campaingns installed?
[12:22] <rsk> they might be separate packages
[12:24] <mooboo1> yesterday i got updates, then turn off computer, go sleep. today i wake up, and start computer, and file system icons from disk2 is not on desktop
[12:24] <mooboo1> and they're not mounted by default
[12:29] <Amaranth> mooboo1: gvfs was changed to not show mounts unless they're mounted in /media or in $HOME
[12:29] <mooboo1> Amaranth, ah, okay thanks
[12:32] <mooboo1> but before partitions where automounted, now not anymore
[12:32] <mooboo1> i have my mp3 on the other disk that dont get automounted
[12:32] <mooboo1> so when i must mount it, before i can play music
[12:32] <mooboo1> how can i fix this?
[12:32] <mooboo1> they got automounted before, not anymore
[12:33] <Amaranth> mooboo1: you have to set it up to mount in /media
[12:33] <Amaranth> mooboo1: in your fstab
[12:34] <mooboo1> but before i didnt need edit fstab, it mounted it anyways on bootup, without i have to ask?
[12:37] <mooboo1> /mnt/ 	Temporarily mounted filesystems.
[12:37] <mooboo1> - /media/ 	Mount points for removable media such as CD-ROMs (appeared in FHS-2.3).
[12:37] <mooboo1> - /mnt/ 	Temporarily mounted filesystems.
[12:37] <mooboo1> wow this is strange, "removable media" are "temporarily mounted"
[12:38] <mooboo1> and where is permanently mounted file systems?
[12:38] <mooboo1> i have 2 hard disk in my computer, both are more or less permanent
[12:44] <KrimZon> i updated and my fonts have changed
[12:44] <KrimZon> its either taller or actually using vera instead of something else
[12:45] <mooboo1> KrimZon, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4471427#post4471427
[12:46] <KrimZon> ah, thanks
[12:46] <mooboo1> :)
[12:47] <KrimZon> back to normal
[12:47] <mooboo1> great :)
[12:52] <amikrop> rsk: aha. ok.
[12:52] <KrimZon> ahh... it's not changed for apps run as root such as synaptic
[12:53] <KrimZon> presumably thats just a case of the .fonts.conf being put somewhere else
[13:04] <Milos_SD> KrimZon, and also it is not changed in GDM login screen ...
[13:15] <DrHalan> hey guys do hyperlinks in pdign work for me. cause here i click them and firefox doesnt open them or anything
[13:15] <mooboo1> try rightclick on them
[13:15] <mooboo1> idk
[13:16] <KrimZon> "right click -> open link in browser" is what i normally use
[13:19] <katcita> hi
[13:19] <KrimZon> hi
[13:19] <bardyr> Hey, how can i reinstall grub/mbr, i've have tried installing grub2 in Ubuntu Hardy but it killed a kernel upgrade so i reverted back to the stable release of grub but it wont update the boot loader on boot, but the menu.list in /boot/grub is updated
[13:20] <katcita> I've just installed hardy6, it works fine but I don't see restricted driver manager, hi KrimZon
[13:20] <mooboo1> maybe ask in #grub, idk
[13:20] <katcita> I mean alpha6
[13:20] <mooboo1> or try 'man grub'
[13:20] <mooboo1> im a noob, i dont know anhything
[13:21] <darx> how can i monitor the disk IO? is there something like top for that?
[13:23] <dr_Willis> Weirdness.. updated.. and my xorg configs got all confused-ified :)
[13:24] <KrimZon> i'm having worse problems with power management now - the gnome panel isnt detecting that ac power has been plugged in, and it keeps dimming the screen every 5 minutes
[13:26] <KrimZon> but the command line acpi program correctly detects everything
[13:26] <DrHalan> mooboo1, right click "open link in browser" doesnt work either
[13:27] <TheInfinity> DrHalan: perhaps  you have to set your browser in pidgin settings
[13:29] <DrHalan> ah tahts nit xd
[13:29] <DrHalan> now it works thanks guys
[13:32] <AnRkey_> can i upgrade to hardy from gutsy using a iso burned to cd?
[13:32] <AnRkey_> if so then how?
[13:32] <willis_> I think you can. but   theres so many updates a week.. it may be faster to just upgrade over the internet.
[13:33] <TheInfinity> AnRkey: alternate cd is your option. but if you ask this you should not use hardy. its really alpha
[13:33] <willis_> I always do clean installs instead of dist upgrading.
[13:33] <AnRkey_> i am in south africa and our wonderful internet access here is capped at 3gb/month
[13:34] <AnRkey_> TheInfinity, thanks, but I think i'm ok :)
[13:34] <bardyr> AnRkey, damm that is depressing
[13:34] <AnRkey_> bardyr, it's pretty depressing yeah
[13:34] <TheInfinity> AnRkey_: you know that alpha software has lots of updates almost every day? ;)
[13:34] <bardyr> AndrewB, i have a 20mbit flatrate uncapped for 20 euros/month here :/
[13:34] <AnRkey_> TheInfinity, yes i do know
[13:34] <willis_> Yep. Im thinking ive seen like 100mb of updates here in the last 2 days.
[13:34] <bardyr> AnRkey_, *
[13:35] <AnRkey_> bardyr, i had a 10mb fibre line at work in london
[13:35] <AnRkey_> bardyr, thanks for cheering me up! :D
[13:36] <bardyr> np ;)
[13:36] <AnRkey_> i commented out my repos in the sources.list file
[13:36] <AnRkey_> then added the cd with apt-cdrom
[13:37] <AnRkey_> then i did sudo update-manager -d
[13:37] <AnRkey_> and it shows 2 updates
[13:38] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: upload as well as download for that price ?
[13:38] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, 2mb upload
[13:39] <AnRkey_> the japanese have gbit links i hear
[13:39] <h3sp4wn> I have 10/10 here
[13:39]  * AnRkey_ bursts into tears
[13:39] <willis_> Of coruse whats the point of these uber-fast links.. if the isps yell at you for maxing them out. :)
[13:39] <h3sp4wn> But its a uni network
[13:39] <willis_> or if you can never find a site that gives you the data you want at the higher speeds. :)
[13:40] <AnRkey_> that's right willis_ complain about the fast lines!
[13:40] <h3sp4wn> Mine can be maxed download using most mirrors - and I get about 1/2 of my upload speed to the US
[13:40] <h3sp4wn> (where I have a vps)
[13:41] <willis_> AnRkey,  :) we had this debate yesterday in here i think.
[13:41] <AnRkey_> we have it daily here
[13:41] <AnRkey_> in south africa that is
[13:41] <willis_> My isp  sent me email; about the higher up/down speeds I get now.. followed by a letter warning me about execssive bandwith ussage.
[13:41] <AnRkey_> 9 billion rand profit last year is what our Telkom made
[13:42] <AnRkey_> woohoo, food is ready
[13:42] <AnRkey_> bbl
[13:43] <h3sp4wn> willis_: What is excessive ? (My vps comes with 100GB for $20)
[13:43] <h3sp4wn> So bandwidth isn't even that expensive
[13:43] <willis_> h3sp4wn,  aparently whatever they  want to call it.
[13:44] <willis_> Yea... the samba networking browser stuff is working now !
[13:44] <h3sp4wn> Change isps then I guess
[13:44] <willis_>  h3sp4wn   others in area are even more limited. :)
[13:45] <willis_> gotta love locked in markets.
[13:45] <willis_> Hmm Gnome is calling this share 'Windows Shares On mshome'  - thats a bit of a legenty name to call it. :)
[13:45] <willis_> its not even on a windows machine.
[13:46] <h3sp4wn> The new sun cifs server is nice
[13:46] <h3sp4wn> Dunno whether anyone ported it to Linux or bsd yet
[13:59] <DrHalan> is flash using oss?
[14:00] <h3sp4wn> No but it can
[14:00] <h3sp4wn> (flashsupport.c from 4front)
[14:05] <bardyr> i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58876/ when im trying to install grub2, does anybody know how i can fix it?
[14:09] <DrHalan> how can i se flash'S sound device?
[14:12] <nomasteryoda|w> in not grub2 experimental at this stage?
[14:39] <timing> hey, why are mp3players removed from the removable drives and media settings window?
[14:39] <timing> now rhythmbox is starting again
[14:39] <timing> which i disabled a while ago
[14:39] <timing> and now the option is gone
[14:40] <timing> o wait
[14:40] <timing> that was [preferred applications ofcourse :-)
[15:02] <amikrop> Battle for Wesnoth problem solved. The wesnoth-music package is required, although it is not a package requirement. Proposed fix: make wesnoth-music a package requirement for the wesnoth package (like wesnoth-data).
[15:03] <amikrop> So, the Canonical guys (or maybe just MOTU?) must make the wesnoth-music package, a requirement of the wesnoth package.
[15:04] <amikrop> Or merge the wesnoth-music package with the wesnoth-data package.
[15:10] <amikrop> Oh, I noticed that there is a wesnoth-all package.
[15:10] <amikrop> I really believe that the wesnoth-all package should replace the wesnoth package.
[15:11] <amikrop> There is no reason why someone would want to install wesnoth but not wesnoth-all.
[15:11] <amikrop> So, the wesnoth package should be like the wesnoth-all package is now.
[15:13] <amikrop> Please, consider replacing the wesnoth package with the wesnoth-all package.
[15:14] <amikrop> Or, in other words, rename wesnoth to wesnoth-core and wesnoth-all to wesnoth.
[15:14]  * ccooke discovers why people were ranting about SCIM
[15:14] <ccooke> it isn't at all hard to make it stop being annoying, though
[15:16] <woden> When I start Ubuntu I get a black screen, but if start in "recovery" mode and then choose to do a "normal" boot, I can get to the GDM login screen.
[15:16] <rsk> woah.
[15:17] <woden> Anyone know what the problem is?
[15:17] <woden> Also, when I did an install of Ubuntu, it would go to a black screen forever, unless I pressed F6 and took out the quiet and splash options.
[15:22] <woden> How do I get rid of the stupid SCIM thing that keeps switching my keyboard to English/European?
[15:29] <rsk> close it
[15:29] <KrimZon> i uninstalled scim it with synaptic because i kept getting a completely random charset come up
[15:29] <KrimZon> i think it was some key combination that's too easy to press while typing
[15:29] <woden> rsk:when I close it, it launches again automatically.
[15:29] <woden> how do I get rid of the european mode?
[15:30] <rsk> uninstall it woden
[15:31] <protonchris> On hardy in a gnome terminal, mutt show us with a grey background.  Do anyone know how to change the background to black.
[15:31] <protonchris> c10
[15:37] <woden> How do I add the horizontal and vertical sync lines to my xorg.conf?
[15:39] <instabin> Warsow needs updated its an old version
[15:49] <askand> Hi, If I write in terminal for example "sudo apti" and then press tab to autocomplete, it doesnt work.. can someone confirm that bug?
[15:54] <morphir|desk> trackerd are eating cpu
[15:54] <morphir|desk> (100%)
[15:54] <morphir|desk> it's evil ^^
[16:00] <woden> Where is the trash icon?
[16:01] <morphir|desk> woden, in your trashbin?^^ (i dunno)
[16:02] <woden> I don't have a trashbin anywhere on my screen
[16:02] <hyderom> hey guys, i can't enable compiz for some reason. it's automatically deetected in fedora and mandriva.  http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1128842374.1204992069@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdjadedhjdmmdhcflgceggdhhmdgmi.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=823514&category_oid=
[16:05] <hyderom> can anyon help please
[16:08] <hyderom> anyone here?
[16:09] <bazhang> what is that link?
[16:14] <askand> Hi, I installed ubuntu with wubi and now I get this when trying to boot " SDB: assuming drive cache: write through" and some kind of commandline called inittram something...what can I do?
[16:32] <Danie4> Hello.
[16:33] <Danie4> I'm trying to config xorg.conf
[16:33] <Danie4> in Hardy Heron
[16:33] <Danie4> but it's a minimal cofign file
[16:34] <Danie4> Can anybody help me?
[16:37] <pushax> If anyone hasn't got Java working in Hardy Heron then here's a solution. ; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/173966
[16:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173966 in sun-java6 "java not working in firefox on kubuntu 8.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:38] <pushax> ehhee
[17:30] <lime4x4> anyone have any luck getting flash to work in hardy 64 bit? I tried a few of the guides for gutsy 64 which didn't work
[17:33] <ikkinu> hi all, when I run time-admin, I get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58900/ . It happens with every *-admin command. Does anyone have the same problem and/or fixed it?
[17:40] <J-_laptop> do any of the new current 50 packages break wireless?(last update)I guess it's kind of a stupid question since everyone doesn't have the same hardware
[17:51] <bjwebb> hi
[17:52] <getoo> is it safe to uncomment canonical from /etc/apt/source.list
[17:52] <getoo> ?
[17:52] <getoo> or not yet :X
[17:53] <bjwebb> my question is screenlets
[17:54] <bjwebb> are they going to be included in hardy if your card can do compiz fusion?
[17:54] <bjwebb> will they even be in repos?
[17:54] <J-_laptop> !info screenlets hardy
[17:54] <ubotu> screenlets (source: screenlets): Widget-like mini-applications for GNOME. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0.12-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1936 kB, installed size 7816 kB
[17:55] <bjwebb> ah
[17:55] <J-_laptop> Looks like they're in the repos, bjwebb
[17:55] <bjwebb> yeah
[17:55] <mEck0> hi! i'm running 8.04 alpha6 and have a problem with display dim when the laptop is running from AC-power. Under Power Management, I don't have checked the box "dim display when idle", and display brightness is set to 100%, so I suspect that it's a bug
[17:55] <bjwebb> i just want to build ammunition agains t vista fanboys
[17:56] <bjwebb> i should imagine most people don't really want screenlets, so no point having them by default
[17:56] <mEck0> and it is very annoying, because several times a minute I must set brightness to 100% via my laptops keyboard fn+f10 manually...
[17:56]  * ikkinu is away: help, please http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58900/ :)
[17:56] <J-_laptop> mEck0: It was bugged in alpha5 too. They probably haven't fixed it yet.
[17:57] <mEck0> J-_laptop, ah ok :/
[17:57] <mEck0> do you know if it is possible to do some kind of workaround to get it work?
[17:58] <J-_laptop> I don't know, the dimming doesn't work with my laptop either.
[17:58] <mEck0> okay, hope they will fix it soon
[17:59] <J-_laptop> mEck0: check the forums, or google. Make sure they're tlaking about Hardy and not some other distro, or codename.
[17:59] <mEck0> J-_laptop, yeah will do, thx
[18:41] <woden> I have no sound...How do I setup my sound card in Ubuntu?
[18:46] <musashi> i broke my gutsy install playing with raid. i was thinking of installing hardy. are there any showstoppers right now? would it be fairly safe as a main os? I do have another install of gusty to fall back on. i can survive some breakage but would like to avoid "a lot" of issues. thanks
[18:48] <dsargeant> musashi: It works for me right now, but there is no guarantee it won't break with future updates.
[18:48] <DanaG> I have major keyboard breakage that drives me batty, sometimes.
[18:49] <dsargeant> DanaG: is it because of scim?
[18:49] <hackel> With the new b43 wireless driver, my wireless interface is now "wlan0_rename" and I have a dummy interface called "eth1" that seems to do nothing.  Anyone know what the reason for this is, and/or how to get it set back to eth1?
[18:50] <musashi> dsargeant, yeah, i'm familiar with that scenario. i've run every release since dapper (except gutsy - i'm getting lazy) in it's alpha state. i'm just as adventurous as i used to be. thanks for the info.
[18:51] <DanaG> Not just that eating spaces issue; that's easy to fix in the SCIM settings.
[18:52] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/190934
[18:52] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[18:53] <ryanpg> anyone experiencing weirdness/badness with font rendering currently? Seems like the "native" or bytecode interpreter is somehow goofed up
[18:54] <h3sp4wn> Has anyone noticed firefox 3 just feels dog slow
[18:55] <h3sp4wn> (firefox 2.0.0.12 feels faster running over NX on a vps on another continent
[18:56] <DanaG> Firefox 3 sucks when typing in any sort of dropdown box, such as the Google search box -- you have to play "dodge the dropdown", or when you press enter, it'll disregard what you've typed and just use the entry you were hovering over.
[18:56] <DanaG> And the address bar freezes Firefox too often.
[18:57] <ryanpg> I actually haven't had that much trouble with FF
[18:58] <ryanpg> do you guys thing your issues may be related to the theme?
[18:58] <ryanpg> since 3 has more gnome theme support built in
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> Don't know it doesn't display some sites right either
[19:00] <woden> How do I get my Creative Labs SB X-Fi to work in Ubuntu?
[19:00] <h3sp4wn> woden: www.opensound.com
[19:00] <h3sp4wn> Don't know of any other drivers with source
[19:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy) (dup-of: 194214)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[19:01]  * DanaG has only ever bought one Creative sound card, and won't ever buy any others: the cardbus Audigy2.  
[19:02] <woden> h3sp4wn:  can I get it to work with Ubuntu supported way?
[19:02] <h3sp4wn> woden: No
[19:02] <woden> ok
[19:02] <h3sp4wn> You can use the deb version of oss
[19:03] <h3sp4wn> thats as close as you can get (Unless the binary alsa drivers from creative were fixed)
[19:03] <DanaG> What the hell?  I did a vt-switch, and my keyboard settings broke!
[19:03] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: The xfi hardware is not bad
[19:03] <DanaG> Yeah, but Creative as a company sucks.
[19:03] <DanaG> Just look at their attitude towards customers: buy our stuff, and then we abandon you and ignore you.
[19:03] <h3sp4wn> emu cards are alright technically I just go on what works well with 4front
[19:04] <DanaG> Even if you don't use Vista, take a look at their Vista forum to see why I think the company deserves a boycott.
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> maudio is no better for vista (64 bit)
[19:04] <DanaG> vaaarfgh, I tried hitting ctrl-v and got the letter v, and then tried hitting ctrl-a 3 times and got the letter 'a'.
[19:04] <DanaG> v(10:52:09 AM) DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/190934
[19:04] <DanaG> (10:52:36 AM) DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> alsa with ice1712 / ice1724 is a farse
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy) (dup-of: 194214)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[19:05] <DanaG> Those two or three bugs are all related.
[19:05] <DanaG> Now I have to restart X.
[19:09] <ryanpg> I don't know... I had no trouble with my maudio delta
[19:09] <ryanpg> worked great in fact
[19:10] <gilster32> can someone give me a hand with java6 in heron?
[19:10] <JoshOvki> hi there. just a quick question. Ive been using kde4 on gutsy, now im upgrading to hardy will i need to reinstall it?
[19:10] <ryanpg> so no one is getting ugly fonts all of a sudden eh?
[19:11] <ryanpg> JoshOvki, how did you get kde4 on your system?
[19:12] <JoshOvki> ppa repositoys then apt-get install kde4-core
[19:12] <JoshOvki> *repositorys
[19:12] <ccooke> ryanpg: oddly enough, when I rebooted this morning the fonts looked much, much better than they did before
[19:12] <ryanpg> JoshOvki, right... which ones
[19:13] <ryanpg> ccooke, lol, laptop LCD or cathode ray?
[19:13] <ccooke> laptop lcd
[19:13] <JoshOvki>  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[19:13] <ryanpg> JoshOvki, then you're asking for trouble I'd guess
[19:14]  * JoshOvki smacks forhead as he see's the gutsy part
[19:14] <ryanpg> hardy has some kde4 packages in it already
[19:14] <ryanpg> it may be an ugly (and kinda pointless) upgrade or it may be fine
[19:15] <JoshOvki> i hope it will be fine. else its just a reinstall
[19:15] <ryanpg> pointless because IMHO it's going to be pretty hard for you to do much testing and bug reporting with 3rd party kde stuff wedged in there
[19:15] <JoshOvki> yeh i think i might start from scratch again
[19:17] <dsargeant> !question | gilster32
[19:17] <ubotu> gilster32: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[19:18] <DanaG> I like the changed font rendering ... it's like I have the "legacy" LCD filter back!
[19:18] <ryanpg> well... whatever changed I hope it changes back soon... it looks the crap to me
[19:19] <ryanpg> the line thicknesses are all over the place and I've got some insane blue fringing
[19:19] <gilster32> yes yes no asking to ask. i got it. I am trying to run jar app and it isnt starting up, i am not sure if i need some policiy permission to run java apps
[19:19] <DanaG> Well, I hope they give us a CHOICE in fontconfig.
[19:20] <ryanpg> DanaG, you should already have one... Native or Autohinter
[19:20] <DanaG> They did for a while, but then they broke it so only the Cleartype-esque hinting was available.
[19:20] <ryanpg> huh, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config gave me that option anyway
[19:20] <DanaG> That's not it.
[19:20] <DanaG> I've tried it both ways; it's not the same.
[19:21] <DanaG> Make sure Xorg is showing the correct value for your screen's DPI rating.
[19:21] <ryanpg> lol, if I type "if" the "f" is tall... if I type "fn" the "f" shrinks
[19:22] <ryanpg> I need to make a screenshot of this crappiness :P
[19:22] <DanaG> My screen is 99.89DPI; oddly enough, changing between 99 and 100 in the gnome font thingy makes a rather large difference.
[19:23] <ryanpg> not surprised, font and color handling on the FOSS desktop is IMHO pretty poor still
[19:23] <dsargeant> gilster32: is it maybe related to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/87947 ?
[19:26] <gilster32> dsargent: yes i think it may be. i am looking at output now. give me a sec
[19:26] <ryanpg> not all f's are created equal, some are a pixel taller
[19:27] <ryanpg> (or two)
[19:27] <ryanpg> ubotu, fontconfig
[19:27] <ryanpg> hrm
[19:27] <gilster32> dsargeant: yes it is. I got the xcb error. This is huge. I need to run java apps ;-(
[19:28] <ryanpg> gilster32, there's a workaround though I think
[19:28] <ryanpg> export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1
[19:29] <dsargeant> gilster32: I followed these instructions to fix it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/192761/comments/4
[19:29] <gilster32> yes i just did it
[19:29] <ryanpg> I would suggest you try the environment variable first gilster32
[19:29] <gilster32> the lock export
[19:29] <ryanpg> oh...
[19:30] <ryanpg> oh :)
[19:30] <ryanpg> did it work after that?
[19:30] <gilster32> yep. man that is a huge bug. not having java run properly after standard install.
[19:30] <ryanpg> gilster32, java says it's an X problem, X says it's a java problem
[19:31] <gilster32> man i hop cannonical is taking it serious
[19:31] <gilster32> hope*
[19:31] <gilster32> i am assuming it will be fixed by beta release time
[19:32] <ryanpg> well, if it's a java issue then cannonical wont have much to do with it
[19:32] <ryanpg> but I don't know enough to guess really
[19:33] <gilster32> i hear ya. eitherway. java  and java plugings are one of those things that the average new user wants working out-of the box.
[19:33] <ryanpg> I'd agree gilster32
[19:34] <gilster32> dsargeant: thanks for the bug link. the export lib worked fine
[19:34] <ryanpg> I think the bigger issue is "X"
[19:34] <gilster32> do you mean X in general?
[19:34] <ryanpg> yeah
[19:35] <gilster32> i have only been using heron the last few days. What problems are you having?
[19:35] <ryanpg> just a lot of changes happening in general, performance is very poor, the driver situation is potentially improving but even hardware with docs is flakey
[19:35] <gilster32> right
[19:36] <ryanpg> I've been on linux for more than 13 years now - I can tell you for the first decade I used X I heard over and over and over "If we had documentation we'd have better performance than windows. But those mean companies wont give us what we need."
[19:37] <ryanpg> wel... I want my "better than windows" now please :)
[19:38] <gilster32> indeed. X config is still the universal drawback for the virgin unix person. I was over at a friends house the other day. he has feisty i think. either way he just wanted dual screen working properly. what a headache. that stuff should be so much more intuitive and ingrained into the gui
[19:39] <dsargeant> gilster32: no problem
[19:39] <TheInfinity> gilster32: exacly my opinion
[19:40] <gilster32> yep. I am glad that the new ATI drivers work with AIGLX
[19:40] <ryanpg> gilster32, they're trying to get rid of it all together
[19:40] <ryanpg> have a config file free X
[19:40] <ryanpg> but that work has been delayed
[19:40] <gilster32> man that would be the day
[19:42] <gilster32> basic video config should be the config. We need a basic screen config  just like in, please forgive me. windows.
[19:42] <dsargeant> how would that work? x would auto-configure?
[19:43] <gilster32> well i dont know if i am in favour of eliminating the .conf file all together, but the configuring should be so much more intuitve and straight forward.
[19:43] <dsargeant> agreed
[19:43] <gilster32> this new 'Monitor Resolution' thing they got on the go here is completely inept.
[19:44] <WorkingOnWis1> while trying to compile the vboxdrv module I ger the error "Makefile:75: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again.  Stop." in the log file. I have done " KERN_DIR=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-11-generic/",  KERN_DIR=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-11/" and still get the eror.
[19:45] <gilster32> why does it not let me change the resolution for the love of god....
[19:46] <dsargeant> gilster32: which monitor resolution thing?  Screen resolution under preferences or screens and graphics under administration?
[19:47] <gilster32> Screen Res. I am trying to tell this thing to go to 1600X1200 and it wont do it.
[19:48] <dsargeant> yeah, It's limited by xorg.conf
[19:49] <gilster32> so i can only change res in the screens and graphics. ?
[19:49] <dsargeant> the screens and graphics can be used to change xorg.conf, but not dependably; I've broken x with it.
[19:49] <gilster32> me too. mannnnnnny times
[19:49] <gilster32> oh well. will do it manually. again.
[19:51] <dsargeant> things seem to be improving with xorg 7.3
[19:51] <gilster32> on an offshoot topic
[19:52] <dsargeant> i haven't had to hand edit xorg.conf in a while
[19:52] <gilster32> has anyone gotten xgl working in heron
[19:52] <DanaG> nvidia-settings and ATI's ccc can do multi-monitor config.
[19:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87947 in libx11 "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [Unknown,Fix released]
[19:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fontconfig - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192761 in sun-java6 "Java JVM 6 Swing Crashes  (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[19:55] <dsargeant> wow, why is ubotu so slow?  I posted those bugs a long time ago.
[19:56] <Flannel> dsargeant: sometimes ubotu has lag spikes (either in network, or in program), and looks like he just caught up
[19:56] <Flannel> !test
[19:56] <ubotu> Failed.
[19:56] <Flannel> See?  quick again
[19:56] <ryanpg> dsargeant, do you use a mouse and a touchpad?
[19:57] <ryanpg> I had to do some big time acrobatics to get that working :P
[19:58] <dsargeant> ryanpg: touchpad and trackpoint (lenovo laptop)
[19:58] <dsargeant> it worked out of the box
[19:58] <ryanpg> dsargeant, nice... with a usb mouse connected too?
[19:59] <dsargeant> i'm connecting one now, i've never tried it
[20:00] <dsargeant> it seems to work fine
[20:00] <ryanpg> very good
[20:01] <ryanpg> was not so fine for me - but that's the point really - experiences differ so greatly
[20:01] <dsargeant> definitely
[20:01] <dsargeant> I wish my thumb buttons worked automatically, though
[20:02]  * ikkinu is back (gone 02:06:01)
[20:02] <dsargeant> ryanpg: what kind of system did you have trouble with?
[20:02] <ikkinu> hi all, when I run time-admin, I get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58900/ . It happens with every *-admin command. Does anyone have the same problem and/or fixed it?
[20:02] <ryanpg> perhaps it is/should be the job of the distributions to create flexible configuration options
[20:03] <ryanpg> acer travelmate with a touchpad and a usb mouse
[20:03] <ryanpg> I also wanted to be able to configure my touchpad
[20:04] <ryanpg> seems like ideally X should be able to query (basic) hardware and configure it for optimal use
[20:04] <ryanpg> I don't know if that's impossible based on how peripherals work or not though
[20:05] <dsargeant> yeah, probably depends on the peripheral's support of linux
[20:06] <ryanpg> right now is not the best time to benchmark usability though, I mean, I don't even know what acceleration architecture will be "king" in the future
[20:06] <ryanpg> glucose, EXA, XAA, some-new-thing
[20:06] <ryanpg> :)
[20:07] <ryanpg> we're getting dri2 and an in-kernel memory manager, input hotplugging (which should address some of the issues above), new more featurific xrandr
[20:07] <dsargeant> I think that goes for most of linux :)
[20:07] <ryanpg> dsargeant, and has been true for more than a decade - I suspect will be true for decades to come
[20:08] <ryanpg> it's all about lowered expectations :P
[20:09] <dsargeant> I still have high hopes! Linux ftw!
[20:09] <ikkinu> does anyone have problems with "unlocking" *-admin appz?
[20:10] <ryanpg> maybe IBM will buy cannonical and Big Blue will be able to try to gain desktop marketshare again (learning lessons from OS2)?
[20:10] <ryanpg> ikkinu, I had trouble "unlocking" gnome network settings for a while
[20:11] <ryanpg> seems to work for me now though ikkinu
[20:11] <ikkinu> ryanpg, I saw someone fixed with correct version of policykit-gnome
[20:11] <ikkinu> the problem is that I have correct versions, and still errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58900/
[20:14] <ryanpg> ikkinu, when do the last two messages appear in the console?
[20:14] <ryanpg> I mean the Gtk-Message: one and the CRITICAL one, after or before you click the "unlock" button?
[20:14] <ikkinu> ryanpg, when "unlocking"
[20:15] <ikkinu> I run *-admin and after unlocking ... here the message
[20:16] <ryanpg> is gnome-setting-daemon running ikkinu ?
[20:16] <anonymous111> Hi. Is the new artwork still planned for Hardy, or has it been delayed until Intrepid?
[20:16]  * DanaG hopes input-hotplug will still allow me to configure my touchpad.
[20:16] <DanaG> Oh, and evdev for keyboard == pain.  Very much pain.
[20:17] <DanaG> Try doing ANYTHING with shift-super stuck.
[20:17] <ikkinu> ryanpg, how can I know it?
[20:17] <ryanpg> anonymous111, I think a new theme is delayed for post hardy
[20:17] <ryanpg> in a terminal type:
[20:17] <ryanpg> ps cx | grep sett
[20:18] <anonymous111> ryanpg: ok thanks for your help
[20:18] <ryanpg> sheesh... hope I was correct
[20:18] <ryanpg> :P
[20:18] <ikkinu> ryanpg, it's running
[20:19] <ryanpg> ikkinu, is dbus-daemon running?
[20:19] <ryanpg> ikkinu, btw I'm mostly guessing here :D
[20:20] <DanaG> Some time I should post the theme I've made up for myself.
[20:21] <ryanpg> lol, speaking of stability
[20:21] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png
[20:21] <ikkinu> ryanpg, yes it is; I saw on launchpad someone asking the same; dbus is running :)
[20:21] <ikkinu> :D
[20:21] <ryanpg> hrm... my fonts look better now
[20:22] <ryanpg> pretty avante guard theme there... I like the black and grey monolith DanaG
[20:23] <ikkinu> firstly I thought it was because of f_print (for fingerprint), but I wasn't right :p
[20:24] <chrisbudden14> hey there.  I've upgraded to hardy yesterday, and im stumped trying to get compiz to work!  http://pastebin.com/m413aec35 That is the output I am getting.  Fglrx is installed and working
[20:24] <spiderfire> hello there
[20:25] <ryanpg> ikkinu, try typing this in the terminal: ls -l /etc/sudoers
[20:25] <DanaG> The black thing is a glitch, actually.
[20:25] <DanaG> I think you were probably joking about that, though.
[20:25] <ryanpg> it wont change anything just provide information
[20:25] <ryanpg> DanaG, I was yes :P
[20:25] <ikkinu> ryanpg, -r--r----- 1 root root 546 2008-01-29 18:00 /etc/sudoers
[20:26] <DanaG> I also was using this thing for a while, until I realized it was making me feel rather gloomy:
[20:26] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-dark.png
[20:26] <ryanpg> ikkinu, that looks wrong to me
[20:27] <Flannel> ryanpg: looks right to me
[20:27] <ikkinu> ryanpg, how should it look like? ;)
[20:27] <dsargeant> DanaG: looks like the fedora metacity theme
[20:29] <dsargeant> DanaG: the gloom might have something to do with the background :) ever heard of Seasonal Affective Disorder?
[20:30] <DanaG> Yeah.
[20:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and that IS the Fedora theme, with the color changed to be less omg-so-bright-I-need-sunglasses.
[20:31] <ryanpg> ikkinu, sorry, away for a second
[20:31] <ryanpg> ikkinu, does sudo work for you?
[20:32] <ikkinu> ryanpg,  yes
[20:32] <dsargeant> DanaG: do you participate in ubuntu-art?
[20:32] <ryanpg> ok, then that's probably not the problem anyway
[20:32] <woden> anyone here get neverwinter nights working with 8.04?
[20:34] <ikkinu> ryanpg,  having fingerprinting working and can't authenticate could be very frustrating :D
[20:34] <dsargeant> DanaG: There's an art meeting in 26 min in #ubuntu-meeting that you might be interested in.
[20:37] <ryanpg> ikkinu, I'm pretty much at a loss to help, though the message before the last is related to your theme I think "GtkButton::displace-focus"
[20:38] <ryanpg> it's a loooong shot, but you might just for the heck of it try a different theme (that message may go away and be ruled out as part of the problem anyway)
[20:38] <ikkinu> uh, Iìll try; thanks anyway, ryanpg
[20:38] <woden> Ubuntu 8.04 desktop made to look like GNOME 2.22 proper...
[20:38] <woden>  http://i27.tinypic.com/1zw4ll.jpg
[20:38] <ryanpg> lol, you're welcome... I guess :P
[20:39] <ryanpg> I actually had a lot of really strange and unpredictable errors when I was running the aurora theme
[20:40] <woden> like it?  http://i27.tinypic.com/1zw4ll.jpg
[20:40] <ryanpg> I don't woden
[20:40] <ryanpg> :)
[20:40] <sdrr> hi all, how can I upgrade on a text only system to hardy? I don't have "update-manager -d" installed, ...
[20:40] <anarkia> hi
[20:40] <anarkia> help?
[20:41] <anarkia> hi
[20:41] <ikkinu> ryanpg, I'm not lucky; human sucks, too :D
[20:42] <dsargeant> anarkia: I've never tried it, but I think: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[20:42] <dsargeant> anybody know?
[20:42] <woden> ryanpg: you don't like GNOME 2.22 proper?
[20:42] <ryanpg> ikkinu, lol, does that message (the `GtkButton::displace-focus' of type... one) go away though? Just curious.
[20:43] <Mark_Milliman> Anyone have any idea on how to delete a mime type installed by Amazon MP3 downloader in Hardy?
[20:43] <ryanpg> woden, I think gnome and kde are exceedingly ugly actually
[20:43] <Mark_Milliman> I want to get back to all of the MP3 files as audio/mpeg
[20:43] <dsargeant> lol, I guess anarkia quit before I responded; just talking to myself
[20:43] <ryanpg> the most recent version of the clearlooks engine helps a bit - some new options improve things marginally
[20:43] <ikkinu> ryanpg, just "Gtk-WARNING **: Unknown property: GtkComboBox.items" :D
[20:43] <ryanpg> apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:44] <woden> ryanpg:  so you are what, a console only user?
[20:44] <ikkinu> I'll try :D
[20:44] <ryanpg> woden, nope - I would love it if my FOSS desktop looked good
[20:44] <ryanpg> graphic designers and GUI designers seem to be reluctant to work for free it seems
[20:44] <woden> ryanpg: so what are you saying?  xfce?  fluxbox?
[20:45] <ikkinu> ryanpg, clearlook sucks, too^2 :D
[20:45] <ryanpg> woden, err... I'm saying the state of affairs on the open source desktop is a pretty ugly one all around
[20:45] <SeveredCross> Plenty of open source desktops look nice.
[20:45] <SeveredCross> GNOME generally looks fairly nice.
[20:45] <ryanpg> themes can only go so far, there's some stuff with the widgets that need to be done
[20:46] <ryanpg> SeveredCross, yeah if you're the kind of person that thought windows 3.1 looked pretty nice :P
[20:46] <SeveredCross> Nicer than Windows anyway, and even more so with EMerald/Compiz/AWN/etc.
[20:46] <SeveredCross> ryanpg: What the hell are oyu using twm? for a window manager?
[20:46] <ryanpg> lipstick on a pig
[20:46] <SeveredCross> What do you think looks good then?
[20:46] <ryanpg> I'm using gnome with a theme I made myself (and also compiz et. all)
[20:47] <SeveredCross> OS X?
[20:47] <TheInfinity> os x :D
[20:47] <ryanpg> er... et. al.
[20:47] <ryanpg> osx does look good to me for the most part
[20:47] <TheInfinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/196242 <-- can anyone help me to isolate the reason of this bug?
[20:47] <ryanpg> though I get sick of all the "gummy buttons" sometimes :D
[20:47] <SeveredCross> You can almost exactly mimic that look with emerald themes and AWN.
[20:47] <DanaG> oh yeah, I was eating lunch.
[20:48] <ryanpg> SeveredCross, here's the deal... with commercial gui's people are obsessive _to the pixel_ about things, in FOSS we're just not at that point yet
[20:48] <SeveredCross> So what imperfections are you seeing?
[20:48] <TheInfinity> hey stop arguing about desktops help me finding the reason of this bug :p
[20:48] <DanaG> I like the Aurora engine.
[20:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196242 in xorg "[Hardy] bulletproof xorg fails completely with mbp rev3" [Undecided,New]
[20:48] <ryanpg> it's like (IMHO) the open source desktop is painted with a pretty broad brush - others (yes osx is an example) are just more refined
[20:49] <SeveredCross> What exactly is wrong with the open source desktop.
[20:49]  * ikkinu is away: c u
[20:49] <mgunes> Aurora is just another unnecessary Murrine fork.
[20:49]  * DanaG is glad not to have Apple's weirdness.
[20:49] <TheInfinity> ryanpg: watch kde4 if you want an eyecandy desktop concept
[20:50] <DanaG> Unnecessary?  Why?  It looks significantly different, to me.
[20:50] <Mark_Milliman> Anyone have a clue on how to revert to the system MIME type for MP3?
[20:50] <ryanpg> well.. ok, visual inconsistencies. For example, I have xchat open now - it has two scroll widgets, one has a pretty broad pixel border, the other is "embedded" in it's parent widget
[20:50] <ryanpg> TheInfinity, it's not that I want a ton of bling/eyecandy, it's the little inconsistencies and details I want addressed
[20:51] <SeveredCross> ryanpg: Hmm, I see what youmean now.
[20:51] <TheInfinity> ryanpg: kde4 tries to make it - but until now its a large techdemo, so hope for 4.1 ;)
[20:51] <spiderfire> im upgrading to hardy. my update manager seems stuck
[20:52] <SeveredCross> I thought you meant the general theming and stuff was wrong. There are little inconsistencies, yes, but on the general it's not that bad.
[20:52] <spiderfire> can i do this old school console style?
[20:52] <Flannel> spiderfire: you can
[20:52] <SeveredCross> Yes, but it's not preferable.
[20:52] <spiderfire> just sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:52] <DanaG> I used aptitude instead of apt-get.  If you run aptitude with no parameters, you get a nifty ncurses UI.
[20:52] <DanaG> s/used/use/
[20:52] <SeveredCross> apt-get dist-upgrade won't work unless you change sources.list first?
[20:53] <ryanpg> DanaG, I get confused by aptitude, apt-get is pretty flawless for me
[20:53] <spiderfire> it seems theyre changed
[20:53] <spiderfire> i always get crazy lockups with the gnome gui
[20:53] <SeveredCross> apt-get is a little better in hardy, it actually has purge as a command rather than apt-get --purge remove and stuff.
[20:53] <Flannel> Eh?  How random
[20:53] <spiderfire> or is it metacity
[20:53] <spiderfire> no its gtk i think
[20:53] <ryanpg> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:53] <Flannel> SeveredCross: it still has --purge, right?
[20:54] <SeveredCross> Flannel: Now you can just do apt-get purge package rather than --purge rmeove package
[20:54] <SeveredCross> s/rmeove/remove/
[20:54] <Flannel> SeveredCross: dist-upgrade works without changing sources.list, it just wont change your version, it still does plenty (new kernels, etc)
[20:54] <Flannel> SeveredCross: right, but does remove --purge still work?
[20:54] <SeveredCross> Oh really? I didn't know that actually.
[20:54] <SeveredCross> Flannel: Yeah, I believe slo.
[20:55] <SeveredCross> Haven't tried it, I'm on Windows right now (wanted to play some games)
[20:55] <Flannel> spiderfire: Make sure you have your metapackages installed
[20:55] <spiderfire> metapackages?
[20:55] <Flannel> ubuntu-desktop, linux-generic, ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard
[20:56] <spiderfire> ok
[20:56] <Flannel> those are the important ones
[20:56] <spiderfire> all of them or just the one i have?
[20:56] <Flannel> then, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, then change your sources.list, then update/dist-upgrade again
[20:56] <woden> anyone play neverwinter nights on ubuntu?
[20:56] <Flannel> spiderfire: do you have ubuntu, kubuntu, or xubuntu?
[20:56] <Flannel> (or edubuntu)
[20:56] <DanaG> Watch out: if you use Wine, lock the version first.
[20:56] <spiderfire> ubuntu
[20:57] <Flannel> spiderfire: then all of those should be installed
[20:57] <DanaG> The Hardy one is broke, or at least, it was the last time I tried.
[20:57] <DanaG> s/broke/broken/
[20:57] <DanaG> (I hit the 'n' key, I swear.)
[20:57] <spiderfire> Flannel: yep they are
[20:58] <ryanpg> DanaG, really it is? hrm... but the ubuntu version of wine is often broken isn't it
[20:58] <Flannel> spiderfire: do you have any third party repositories?
[20:58] <ryanpg> DanaG, I have had better luck using the versions from winehq
[20:59] <spiderfire> Flannel: i removes those
[21:00] <Flannel> spiderfire: Alright, update/dist-upgrade to make sure you have latest gutsy stuff, then change sources and do it again
[21:00] <sdrr> hm I have installed hardy, ... but I can't seem to locate the linux-xen package, ...
[21:01] <ryanpg> when I upgrade I usually do a dpkg-reconfigure -a afterwards - though I think it's probably overkill for most users
[21:02] <Flannel> spiderfire: but, you should also (perhaps before this) check out launchpad and post a bug about update-manager not workng
[21:02] <spiderfire> hmmm
[21:02] <ryanpg> I meant, of course, upgrade to a newer OS release :P
[21:02] <spiderfire> how do i check launchpad?
[21:03] <ryanpg> spiderfire, to use launchpad you must first kill a chicken and scatter it's bones...
[21:03] <spiderfire> that makes sense thanks
[21:03] <spiderfire> i owe you one
[21:04] <ryanpg> yes... then visit https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy
[21:04] <ryanpg> oh wait... you have  a gutsy bug
[21:04] <oxigen> :)
[21:05] <Flannel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[21:05] <ryanpg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/ search for your bug
[21:06] <ryanpg> I win! my URL is longer!
[21:06] <ryanpg> not to the swiftest, but to the most verbose... and on that note, I'm off for now
[21:06] <ryanpg> thanks and later all!
[21:18] <dereks> hi. How do i turn off compiz?
[21:18] <anabasis> /msg nickserv identify kodachrome
[21:18] <dereks> haha
[21:32] <mellery> ሀልሎ
[21:33] <mellery> wierd, system input method just changed to something not english
[21:34] <DanaG> ctrl-shift and shift-ctrl will do that.
[21:34] <DanaG> Take a look in the SCIM settings.  Also unbind shift-space, or SCIM will eat spaces after capital letters.
[21:34] <mellery> How can I fix my sound in hardy? Pulseaudio doesnt make any noise, and ALSA gives static, OSS works but not in most programs
[21:35] <mellery> thanks, just removed all the scim hotkeys
[21:38] <spiderfire> how can i list system specs for reporting bugs?
[21:39] <spiderfire> bug buddy?
[21:39] <spiderfire> or is there something better
[21:40] <spiderfire> i dont see bug buddy on here
[21:49] <nemo> one of my CPUs has vanished in recent hardy
[21:49] <nemo> anyone else noticed this?
[21:50] <Pici> nemo: make sure you are using the generic kernel, not i386
[21:51] <nemo> Pici: hm. waddaya know...
[21:51] <nemo> when did *that* happen
[21:51] <Pici> nemo: I've seen it a few times on upgrades, dunno why it happens
[21:53] <spiderfire> how do i make sure im using generic kernel...i see im using i386
[21:53] <nemo> Pici: odd too. Synaptic swears I have linux-generic enabled, and linux-386 disabled
[21:53]  * nemo reinstalls
[21:53] <nemo> oh well. time for another reboot I guess
[21:53] <spiderfire> uname -a shows i386
[21:55] <NickPresta> Alpha 6 is the last of the Alpha phase, correct?
[21:56] <TheInfinity> yes
[21:56] <NickPresta> Okay, thanks. I can't wait to play around with Hardy.
[22:07] <heartsblood> Has hardy been updated with the compiz release?
[22:08] <rsk> heartsblood: yes
[22:08] <heartsblood> woot 3d desktop again
[22:09] <heartsblood> do you know if that will make it's way in gutsy or will it be hardy only considering it's only a RC?
[22:15] <rsk> probably hardy only
[22:17] <crdlb> heartsblood: it's not possible to use compiz 0.7.x on gutsy without patching it to remove the requirement on x11-xcb
[22:17] <heartsblood> hmm
[22:21] <bmk789_> sometimes i forget im running hardy because its so stable......
[22:25] <oxigen> hmm, i wonder is it useful for you guys to send all collected crash data (31mb)?
[22:32] <wraund> is anyone else having trouble with the keyboard locking?
[22:34] <DanaG> Yup, keyboard issue is a big huge pain.
[22:34] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/190934
[22:34] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[22:36] <wraund> DanaG: not exactly like mine
[22:36] <wraund> mine is slightly different :P
[22:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy) (dup-of: 194214)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[22:37] <naught101> why are those undecided??
[22:37] <naught101> 1
[22:39] <khussein> I have ubuntu with successful wireless connectivity wlan0. However, after installing VirtualBox the wirelss connectivity is gone. I can't find wlan0 anymore
[22:39] <khussein> Can someone help me with this please?
[22:40] <wraund> hardy heron release khussein?
[22:40] <naught101> is there any way (or reason not) to remove the scim icon from the system tray?
[22:40] <khussein> Yes it is hardy
[22:40] <spiderfire> are there visible changes in hardy?
[22:41] <wraund> er
[22:41] <wraund> depend on what you use
[22:41] <wraund> KDE yes
[22:41] <wraund> otherwise they are discreet
[22:41] <oxigen> hmm, probably not, bad gateway :)
[22:42] <wraund> also am I the only one that has noticed the MAJOR security flaw when you boot into recovery? you get the choice to drop straight into root terminal :/
[22:42] <khussein> How can I enable the wireless detection?
[22:42] <khussein> The card is found with lspci
[22:42] <RAOF> wraund: That gets broght up every now and then, yes.
[22:42] <wraund> RAOF: seems really daft :/
[22:43] <spiderfire> i thought you need password though
[22:43] <wraund> thats why i changed grub so you have to modify the root hd(0,0) part
[22:43] <wraund> and you have to change before starting it up
[22:43] <RAOF> wraund: Or you could just put a GRUB password in.
[22:43] <wraund> zomg you can do that?
[22:43] <wraund> *googles*
[22:43] <wraund> oh yeah :P
[22:44] <wraund> course you can its in menu.lst :P
[22:44] <RAOF> wraund: But for that to be worth anything, you need to have disabled booting from anything but harddrive, and set a BIOS password, etc.
[22:44] <spiderfire> what i couldnt figure out is why i have no console
[22:44] <oxigen> but memory handling looks much better!
[22:44] <spiderfire> just a flashing _
[22:44] <moope1> hullo, kubuntu is taking ages to load on boot. It seems to spend a long time looking for resume images. Any one know how to fix?
[22:44] <spiderfire> maybe it is fixed in hardy
[22:46] <wraund> spiderfire: that is the topic here :P
[22:47] <kfbishop> So, the MOTD says the Network Manager problem is fixed and available..   My questions are: A) is this the fix to 0.6.6 breaking wireless connections (atheros), and B) where can I find it?  Does not appear to be in any of the repos.  Am I just impatient?
[22:47] <spiderfire> for me? I have no console outside X
[23:00] <darx> hi i'm trying to get a backtrace of yelp to submit a bug. after i install yelp-dbgsym, i cannot find a program named yelp-dbgsym anywhere in my $PATH when i try to backtrace yelp, i get no stack, no register prompts. what is the correct way to get a backtrace?
[23:01] <darx> (gdb) backtrace full
[23:01] <darx> No stack.
[23:01] <darx> (gdb) info registers
[23:01] <darx> The program has no registers now.
[23:02] <RAOF> darx: Ideally apport would pop up offering to report the crash - that should have a backtrace.
[23:03] <darx> RAOF: yelp doen't crash but the CPU usage goes 100%
[23:03] <RAOF> Oh.  So why would gdb help?
[23:03] <RAOF> You've killed yelp, and then tried "backtrace full", haven't you? :)
[23:03] <darx> yes
[23:03] <darx> i'm a noob
[23:03] <darx> just trying to be helpful
[23:04] <darx> :-P
[23:04] <RAOF> Well... you've killed yelp.  The process no longer exists, so it has no state, backtrace, or registers :)
[23:04] <RAOF> Also, yelp-dbgsym isn't a separate program.  It just installs the debug symbols we strip from the binary into a location that gdb can find them.
[23:04] <darx> cool
[23:05] <darx> here is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/199860
[23:05] <RAOF> A program that sits there, spinning at 100% CPU is more annoying to debug than one that crashes.  I'm not entirely sure how you'd go about it.
[23:05] <darx> hmm
[23:07] <RAOF> darx: I'd ask in #ubuntu-bugs for help.
[23:07] <darx> cool thanks
[23:08] <oxigen> this alphas are cool, reminds me on a good old funky debian :)
[23:12] <oxigen> doh, i cant shut down nice... should go ctrl-alt-backspace..
[23:17] <darx> RAOF: no ones answering me there. do you know how i can install the sysprof-module so i may be able to profile yelp?
[23:17] <RAOF> Possibly with module-assistant?
[23:17] <darx> there is only the sysprof-module-source package in the repos would i have to compile it myself and if yes can you give me some directions
[23:17] <RAOF> I'm not really sure.
[23:18] <RAOF> I'd try starting with module-assistant, which is the tool designed to build such kernel modules.
[23:18] <darx> cool
[23:19] <ccooke> Hmm. I think I could really get to like the new theme stuff I'm seeing.
[23:19] <darx> yes it pretty cool also gnome is shaping up good
[23:20] <darx> previously a lot of space was being wasted imho.. it used to feel cramped when compared to windows or osx
[23:20] <darx> small fonts are also bearable in LCDs
[23:21] <WorkingOnWis1> 0 people?????
[23:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199860 in yelp "High CPU usage by yelp" [Medium,Incomplete]
[23:30] <naught101> grrr.... why do we have SCIM?
[23:30] <ethana2> so i can type in japanese
[23:31] <ethana2> わたしわめいずづす
[23:31] <KrimZon> ...by accident
[23:31] <naught101> but if we don't need to type in japanese, then we don't need scim, right?
[23:31] <ethana2> oops, nevermind
[23:31] <ethana2> i killed that
[23:31] <ethana2> in various ways... but you get the point
[23:31] <ethana2> lol, yes
[23:31] <ethana2> correct
[23:31] <ethana2> well
[23:31] <naught101> so why is there no Quit option in the contecxt menu??
[23:31] <ethana2> or other languages
[23:31] <ethana2> hindi and stuf
[23:31] <ethana2> i have no idea
[23:32] <naught101> oh.. exit... hehe
[23:32] <ethana2> you mean in the tray?
[23:32] <naught101> yeah, never mind
[23:32] <ethana2> ok, yeah, i thought you were missing something ^_^
[23:32] <KrimZon> what did i keep pressing to accidentally enable it while typing?
[23:33] <DanaG> SCIMalso likes eating spaces if you don't disable the shift-space binding.
[23:33] <DanaG> And do yourself a favor by removing the left-alt and left-shift and such bindings.
[23:34] <KrimZon> ahh, shift space... that used to annoy me in pspad
[23:34] <KrimZon> typing spaces between shifted characters and then bam, i get a bit of code inserted where i didnt want it
[23:35] <rgreening> SCIM is part of LSB (Linux Standards Base) and being consistant is a good thing :)
[23:35] <rgreening> hough perhaps some better sane defaults are warranted for SCIM
[23:36] <DanaG> Definitely.  The current defaults drove me batty.
[23:37] <rgreening> :)
[23:42] <frandavid100> hi all
[23:42] <DanaG> ANother annoying thing: when you press ctrl, the toolbar changes size.
[23:42] <naught101> YAH! scim is killing open office!
[23:42] <DanaG> It's extremely quite very distracting.
[23:43] <DanaG> Ugh, I have this wiggling thing in the corner of my screen.
[23:43] <nemo> how come I don't see japanese even after installing it, killing and restarting all scim processes?
[23:43] <nemo> it shows up in scim config
[23:43] <RAOF> DanaG: How did you got the latex scim modlue again?
[23:43] <naught101> can I remove scim completely?
[23:43] <nemo> naught101: you're using ubuntu and you don't know how to uninstall something?
[23:43] <nemo> and hardy, at that?
[23:43] <DanaG> Let me look for that one.
[23:43]  * nemo looks at naught101 askance
[23:43] <pwnguin> im pretty sure you can remove scim completely; i'm not having these scim troubles
[23:43] <naught101> memo: non, I didn't say that
[23:44] <naught101> I was asking if I can remove it, I meant do other things depend on it
[23:44] <DanaG> scim-tables-additional
[23:44] <pwnguin> helpfully, i dont speak asian languages
[23:44] <pwnguin> or anything else that isnt english
[23:44] <rgreening> If you install lsb then you get SCIM. If you don't care about being lsb compliant, remove SCIM (and consequently lsb)
[23:44] <naught101> a qustion which I obviously didn't	need	 to ask
[23:45] <naught101> good
[23:45] <DanaG> It's cool for doing stuff like this:  200 μF.  300 Ω.  300 Ω. ← wtf?  there are two omegas.
[23:45] <DanaG> or rather, Omegas.
[23:45] <pwnguin> whcwhich notably breaks my screen session
[23:45] <pwnguin> thanks
[23:49] <oxigen> naught101: did you try to disable it with SCIM setup?
[23:49] <oxigen> oh, he's gone
[23:50] <nemo> pwnguin: um. how would that break screen?
[23:50] <nemo> pwnguin: I'm using screen too actually
[23:50] <nemo> you have a crappy terminal that can't grok unicode?
[23:54] <^4nDr3s> hello all!! does anyone of you have a link to download hardy iso image?