[00:07] feedback: I dislike the menu event sounds, when you click on the clock for the calendar or choose an item from the main menu. [00:12] anyone else hate FF3.0 as much as me? Scrolling stutters, url autocomplete list is all crap, bookmark cannot be sorted easily, etc [00:12] not to mention being greyed out so many times [00:14] Interesting, I can only boot into X if I go into recovery mode and manually init 5 [00:14] any idears [00:18] hi, the powers that be over at #kubuntu-ops pointed me here (I feel I'm being watched), so let me ask: I am having a problem installing kubuntu-kde4 alpha 6 via the LAN. the option to install the desktop is missing [00:46] anyone else having issues with bluttoth disconnecting after screen saver is activated in hardy 64 bit? [01:44] new_ubu_user: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo (for dual monitors) & https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto [01:44] i was hoping someone here's been able to do ti [01:44] i have been all over those threads === new_ubu_user is now known as SoNiC_Ubu [01:48] BaD_CrC: have you done ad auth? [01:49] not with ubuntu, but i have with fedora [01:49] like around FC5 or so [01:49] think you can help me get this PC to authenticate with ad? [01:49] I am dual booted right now [01:50] and when I installed, i did do the admin and 1 domain user account i checked those when it asked about migrating [01:50] and I am using hardy right now [01:50] because it said it was built in [01:51] i would if i wasn't on my blackberry right now. [01:52] heh [01:55] !info hotwire [01:55] hotwire (source: hotwire): Extensible graphical command execution shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.620-2 (hardy), package size 103 kB, installed size 816 kB === mesillia1 is now known as mesilliac [02:13] anyone know if there wasa blueprint or a wishlist item relating to the new inclusion of the ~/Documents folder in Hardy? === naught102 is now known as naught101 [02:30] or even if that was a new thing in hardy? [02:30] its not [02:31] pwn: when was it brought in? [02:31] not sure. dapper? [02:32] no. I installed feisty from CD, and it didn't have it [02:32] I net-upgraded to gutsy [02:33] unless it came into feisty after the alphas [02:35] ah.. unless it's a gnome thing... [02:35] i think its part of xdg [02:36] I don't know what that is [02:36] http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html [02:37] maybe not [02:39] seems like gutsy [02:39] i donno [02:39] ive been using a documents folder for ages [02:39] have it linked to a seperate storage drive [02:42] I don't really care about the documents folder, I just want to find a wishlist item, or a blueprint relating to it [02:42] I'd really like to see a ~/,config, or ~/.prefs [02:42] to store all hidden preference files [02:42] they are starting to get that way... on hardy [02:43] the .config in !~ [02:43] ~ [02:43] mine has all sorts of good preferences [02:43] there is [02:43] a .config [02:43] with exactly what you want [02:43] and this is XDG [02:43] i just wish this Hardy would let my mouse work again... cause it stopped working with an update on might have been wednesday [02:44] nomasteryoda: tried an xorg.conf? [02:44] ya [02:44] took my previous one that worked last week [02:44] it has some custom stuff for wacom and synaptics pad [02:45] pwnguin: I know it's in XDG, but it isn't in (*)buntu [02:45] was your wacom working without an xorg conf? [02:45] it did [02:45] naught101: why should every change require a blueprint? [02:46] pwnguin: I didn't say that. I was just trying to find out if there was one [02:46] naught101: ubuntu's role is to direct a modicum of development efforts, represent their users to upstream, and generally take work done upstream back to users [02:46] but ... the touchpad would not do scroll or anything right except drag/drop... until i made a good xorg.conf... the input-hotplug is supposed to fix this stuff.. .but have not seen anything good from it yet [02:46] ya [02:46] I've got a Toshiba Satellite A510 (or thereabouts). I'm using Hardy Heron, latest updates applied. It's an AMD64 system, vanilla kernel. My mic input is nothing but static. What can I do to troubleshoot it? [02:46] all this said, i vaguely recall the spec [02:47] what's it doing jadams ? [02:47] massive static [02:48] oh, duh... sorry [02:48] did you look at the pulseaudio settings? [02:49] i've seen something like that before but on another distro... [02:49] which settings should I look at? A config file somewhere, or an app, or what? [02:49] I've looked at the volume control applet [02:49] which ties into pulseaudio fine in hardy [02:49] and flipped through all the inputs [02:49] ya [02:49] what is needed to get cnn videos to work in 64 bit hardy? [02:50] i'm not in my hardy now.. due to bad mouse issues which seem to be xorg driver problem [02:50] lime4x4, have you looked at the nspluginwrapper? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341727 [02:50] but i have pulse panel here in gutsy too [02:50] nomasteryoda, I love hardy, much better for me than gutsy on multiple systems [02:50] gutsy was a bad release for me [02:50] yea [02:50] across a wide range of hardware that I run [02:50] I have to say though, hardy + ubuntustudio is nice [02:51] if only my inputs would work [02:51] its very nice... but mouse not working... no mouse or pointer... it just sits there.. .keyboard ok, but no mouse [02:51] thanks i will give that a try [02:52] lime4x4, I run amd64 with flash, come back if you can't get it figured out [02:55] update-manager is designed for ubuntu, right? [03:01] now i get "you are currently using flash player 0 [03:01] i also get the message about missing plugins do u want to download them [03:02] hi how can i install the full kde4 hardy desktop on ubuntu hardy? [03:03] anybody home? [03:03] i beleive this will do it sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop [03:04] darx, #kubuntu-kde4 [03:04] cool [03:04] also I don't have xgl installed and am running fglrx so would the kwin work? [03:07] or whatever the 3d whizz bang stuff is called under kde4 [03:08] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3583/ [03:08] Any thoughts on this? [03:08] I'm trying to get feedack.. [03:08] feedback* [03:09] im 99 percent sure thats impossible [03:09] without rewriting gtk [03:09] or at least every gtk app [03:10] ah [03:10] ok then [03:10] on to xfce [03:10] or maybe just waiting for 3.0 [03:10] it's worth doing, whatever it takes, imo [03:11] a billion dollars? [03:13] gtk menus have tear off options [03:13] see gimp for a fairly atrocious example [03:14] ethana2: how would this worth with the gimp, which has multiple windows [03:14] or with rhythmbox which has multiple content windows [03:15] how do the apple folks do it? [03:15] do what? [03:15] the panel applet for menu bar [03:15] would have the menu for the currently in focus window [03:15] tight integration with the window manager [03:15] you could do this and have everything be almost exactly the same [03:15] how would mplayer work? [03:15] ? [03:16] the same way it does now [03:16] unless i'm missing something [03:16] gmplayer in particular [03:16] should i install it and have a look? [03:16] is it in hardy repos? [03:16] yes [03:16] k [03:16] just a minute [03:17] smplayer is the best [03:17] just my humble opinion [03:17] i agree [03:17] variable tempo playback [03:17] crucial for classical music and rap [03:17] ...amarok still doesn't have it [03:17] 'fast forward' indeed [03:17] meh. [03:17] i just use mplayer for mkv playback [03:17] ah [03:18] no gmplayer in hardy repos [03:18] i think its part of mplayer now [03:18] running mplayer... [03:19] no menu bar? [03:19] indeed [03:19] fine, no menu bar [03:19] ...but i would reccomend that they do provide one [03:20] they probably don't because the way we handle them now sucks [03:20] ask 'em ;) [03:20] my question is, is this an attempt to provide osx like menus, or something bigger? [03:20] much bigger [03:20] that would be one of the many things it would allow is to simply and elegantly do [03:21] it could very well involve rewriting a lot of stuff [03:21] but it would become much more flexible and such.. so like i say, i think it'd be worth doing [03:21] unless you have an idea of what it takes to rewrite a lot of stuff, I don't really think you can make a valid assement like that [03:21] well [03:21] hmm [03:22] what did it take to go from KDE 3.5.8 to KDE4? [03:22] donno [03:22] it may be about a third as much work [03:22] ...worst case scenario [03:22] what version of alsa is included with hardy? [03:22] but lots of apps still don't use qt4 or whatever [03:22] i need help porting Photoshop cs2 to gusty, i have the adobe folder in the program files directory under wine but i cant seem to get the right registry key imported, when cs2 loads up it says it is unactivated, but it is activated on the xp machine [03:23] alsa-driver (1.0.16-0ubuntu3) hardy; urgency=low [03:23] man [03:23] Exfil: still the wrong channel [03:25] I have problems with my touchpad and an USB mouse on a HP dv6232br and Hardy. [03:26] After trying lots of things, I could make only one or other work. Right now, I have only USB mouse working and sometimes (after ghost-clicking with touchpad) both works. [03:27] My xorg.conf is a little messed up, but doesn't have anything special... I can upload it if anyone who can help wants, though. [03:27] pwnguin: http://senduit.com/db9a6a one possible configuration [03:28] Does anyone know why Tomboy and Stick Notes are both included in Hardy, especially since Tomboy can import sticky notes? [03:28] is it just for people who want something simple? [03:28] oh [03:28] you're hosed [03:29] to know why, we need to learn what a window manager does versus the application [03:30] window managers draw the window decorators. if you've ever crashed gtk-window-decorator, what's left is what the program draws [03:30] the window decorator does that [03:30] ...and i'm saying hand off everything but window /content/ -to- that window decorator [03:31] ...which will be the same code that draws desktop panels [03:59] someone? =~ === _emgent is now known as emgent [05:12] any major bugs in hardy atm that i need to worry about ? (i have a working system -debian etch to complement it on the same system) [05:13] can you apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade or do you have to use the update manager ? [05:13] Argh, Ubuntu abuses my hard drive. [05:13] Load. Unload. Load. Unload! [05:14] dbmoodb: You can. If you're doing it from dapper, theres one or two extra steps, but yes. [05:14] How about either leaving the drive active, or leaving it idle? Don't keep repeatedly idling and unidling. [05:14] i am leaving debian there [05:14] hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda [05:14] * DanaG ponders making a script that writes "load" and "unload" so some IRC channel every time it happens. [05:14] 254 doesn't eliminate it. Neither does 255. [05:15] 254 should.... [05:15] - doesn't always for me but .... it should [05:15] Also, the drive never spins down, even if I set the spindown time to 5 seconds. [05:15] I can manually spin it down and it'll stay down for at least 30 seconds, so the failure to automatically spin down makes no sense. [05:19] Perhaps it's unloading instead of spinning down. [05:19] That makes no sense either, though. [05:19] Isn't there a log? [05:20] it does danag [05:20] Argh, I downgraded from git compiz to the packaged one, and it trampled all over my config. [05:20] linux doesn't have full support for it [05:21] My drive is the Hitachi Travelstar 7k200-200 [05:21] i think i have that one or something similar [05:21] it only matters if it is "putting it down" [05:21] and up constantly [05:21] smartctl -a /dev/sda|grep 193 [05:22] smart should tell you stuff :) - as you already know :) [05:22] I grep for Count. [05:22] Oh, and another thing pissing me off: SCIMkeeps eating my spaces after CAPITALletters. [05:22] Iend up looking rather stupid when SCIMdoes that. [05:23] is this in hardy ? [05:23] Yup. [05:23] new "features" ? [05:23] Ilike using SCIM, but Idon't like how it keeps eating my spaces. [05:24] Shift-space..... does nothing whatsoever. [05:24] What it SHOULDdo is give me a SPACE! [05:24] DanaG: tried running hdparm -- and get that to get hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda [05:25] don't follow why you would want to shift space - for some applications or indentation ? [05:26] No, I want to shift-space so I don't have to explicitly let go of shift before hitting space after an all caps word. [05:26] OH MY GOD TRY CAPSLOX [05:26] Aah, fix: under "Generic Table", delete the Shift-Space binding. [05:26] -- just for fun [05:26] oh ... good [05:27] CAPS LOCK IS CRU [05:27] i take it hardy is insane by default ? [05:29] so can one apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade for hardy ? from gutsy ? [05:29] dbmoodb: yes [05:29] really ... [05:29] dbmoodb: Of course. Nothing special about hardy [05:30] - assumed that there were scripts [05:30] or something attached to the update manager in this case [05:30] dbmoodb: update manager just automates the process, and does some sanity checks (metapackage installation, etc) [05:32] so i should use that [05:33] What the hell? I just switched to a console and back to Xorg, and now all my keybindings are broken. [05:33] I can't use ctrl-alt-arrow keys, and I can't alt-f4 or ctrl-w. [05:33] And ctrl-a just gives me the letter 'a' once before doing a select-all. [05:35] A piece of advice: if you value your sanity, don't upgrade to Hardy until this bug is fixed: vhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 -- oh, and there it goes giving me the letter 'v' before the paste! [05:35] Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy) (dup-of: 194214)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:35] Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed] [05:36] ANother related bug: vhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/190934 [05:36] Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:36] Sorry ઺򯫭 [05:37] argh, now it randomly switched to RAW CODE mode in SCIM. [05:39] That bug is really really irritating. I could spew thousands of swear words at it, but I won't do that here. [05:39] Besides, I don't know that many separate swear words. (heh.) [05:39] s/separate/different/ [05:41] Argh, and it also makes it really dangerous trying to copy and paste, since you tend to just replace whole blocks of text with the letter 'c'. [05:42] AAARGH! HULK SMASH! [05:43] When I press ctrl-alt-rightarrow, I get the SCIM menu, for some reason. [05:50] yes $EXPLETIVE > /dev/null [05:52] I wish some developer would comment on those bug reports. [05:54] AGRGH!!! open office is STILL breaking! [05:55] How so? Mine works. [05:55] What's broken? [05:55] I can't install it because it needs writer2latex [05:56] and that's screwing up the style (I can't install adromeda, nor default style [05:56] openoffice.org-writer2latex to be exact [05:57] Can't you just use another style? [05:57] yes, but base is also missing [05:58] maybe it's .au I might try another country [05:58] I mean main [06:00] DanaG: your is installed fine? [06:01] yours [06:01] with writer2latex? [06:02] I don't even see a writer2latex. [06:02] aptitude search 2latex [06:02] p gnuhtml2latex - A Perl script that converts html files to (... end of terminal) [06:03] DanaG: use apt-cache search [06:03] Nothing for writer2latex. [06:04] I meant to end the truncation [06:05] aptitude show: gnuhtml2latex is a Perl script that converts html files to latex files. It takes list of .html files as arguments and make .tex ones. Can also convert html stdin to latex stdout. [06:06] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4458803 [06:09] aah, I see: I don't have the full metapackage installed. I just have the individual parts I need, such as core and specific apps. [06:11] yeah, but the default theme won't install anyway [06:11] I got the debian package as well [06:12] hi, i'm having issues with hardy... upon boot, i am met with an error that stat's something roughly like this: acpi_ec_wait, and it hangs there. i am able to boot the recovery kernel though... any thoughts? [06:12] i'm also having keyboard locks, i believe it is related. [06:13] i'm baffled. [06:39] Hi I have a problem with gnome-session. It seems to run the programs set to run on startup after 1-2 minutes after gnome-panel and everything is loaded up. Metacity also doesn't load at startup on it's own so I had to put it there manually, so I also don't have a window manager for 2 minutes. I'm doing something wrong or is this a known bug? [06:50] Hmm, somebody try this in bash: touch \ spacey [06:50] then less \ [06:53] I get this upon holding tab: less \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ [06:53] It goes on forever, or until the system grinds to a halt due to memory usage. [07:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> recent updates messed up my font rendering [07:34] check your dpi [07:35] true of everyone but me [07:35] because i *still* can't update [07:36] the bug report says it was fixed 18 hours ago... [07:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> pwnguin, i always use 92, but seems like it's too small now.. [07:40] http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html [07:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, thanks [07:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so ppi = dpi? [07:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, how do i use that? [07:44] Enter your screen size and resolution, and it'll tell you the actual DPI of the display. [07:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, k [08:05] who ordered the pizza? [08:05] I'm really hoping the package the MESA library fix soon [08:43] Raspberry: i forgot to order the pizza. now im hungry too though :( [08:57] hey does hardy support the new macbook [08:57] ie its wifi? [08:58] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=656077 karllenz [09:05] idk if that works [09:06] how do i remove ndiswrapper [09:29] hi all! [09:30] 8.04 is really nice distro! i can finally use blender & compiz together too! [09:30] but there are still issues with sound.. [09:36] I downloaded alpha 6 and it will not work on one of my computers. [09:37] I can actually boot from the CD and get to the screen where I choose my language (English) and then I choose to boot from the Live CD. The screen goes black and there is some white text that says some stuff about the kernel mapping (I think this is normal) and after that it just goes totally black and never loads Ubuntu. [09:37] I tried the same CD on my wife's Dell computer and it works fine. Can anyone help please? [09:38] sigp239: on which hardware? [09:39] GeForce 8800GTX [09:39] Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz [09:39] Asus P5B Deluxe motherboard [09:39] NEC 20WMGX2 20.1" widescreen monitor [09:39] 4GB Crucial Ballistix memory [09:40] hmm, i'm just a user.. [09:40] but this graphics card is quite new, huh? [09:41] did you try to boot in safe mode or something? [09:42] looks like problem with default 'nvidia' driver [09:43] could be [09:43] how do I boot in safe mode? [09:43] huh, i don't remember, but i think there's an option.. [09:44] look like hardy 6 come with mysql pre-install is it true? [09:44] I dont have ubuntu installed...I'm just trying to boot from the live cd [09:44] I just finished installation of alpha 6 and I got 79 update which include mysql-common :D [09:46] need an op in #ubuntu [09:46] bazhang: sudo su :P [09:51] oxigen: this video card has been out for at least 8 months [09:51] sigp239: well, that's still young, i guess.. [09:53] I suppose [09:53] you know there is no open info about this card, people need to do reverse engineering.. [09:53] so? [09:53] ubuntu does not support nvidia cards? [09:53] well this take time [09:54] check also ubuntu forums about this card issues.. [09:54] so I cannot use nvidia cards with linux? [09:55] i have 7600 and it work great [09:57] so I have installed linux with my card before, it should work [09:58] well, as i said, i'm just a user here, i can only guess.. [09:58] did you check ubuntu forums? [10:00] i waited more than one year for the 64 bit distro which i can install on my hardware. 8.04 finally work as it should [10:01] I am using 64 bit also. [10:01] yea, but you have newer graphics card [10:01] sigp239: try getting the driver from nvidia.com [10:02] sigp239: idk if it works on 64bit or not though [10:02] how do I do that? [10:02] I'm just trying to boot the install CD [10:02] go to nvidia.com and download it [10:02] oh [10:02] sigp239: you should report a bug [10:02] do that oonce its installed then [10:02] heh [10:02] macogw: I can't install [10:02] you can just use safe graphics mode for installing...just wont have 3D [10:02] sigp239: use the altnerate CD if safe graphics mode is failing [10:02] yea, safe graphics mode is the way.. [10:03] it's a text-based installer (has a gui once its installed though) [10:03] macogw: How do I use safe graphics mode? [10:05] sigp239: i think there's an option (lower left corner iirc) [10:07] ok [10:13] didn't work [10:13] oh [10:13] It tried to go into text mode but then I just got a black screen forever [10:14] well, all i can suggest you now is to report a bug with added your hardware conf and wait for the next alpha.. :( [10:16] this is not right. [10:16] :) [10:16] it should work on my computer [10:16] I just checked, the geforce 8800 has been out for 2 years now [10:16] but you will see how happy you will be once it will work! :) [10:17] as i am now! \o/ [10:17] I don't think anyone will see my bug [10:17] of course they will! [10:17] sigp239: try alpha 5 maybe? [10:17] there was some bug recently with nvidia, wasnt there? [10:17] macogw: I tried alpha 5 before, it has the same problem [10:17] oh [10:18] i have alpha 5 installed actually [10:18] well you can still try the alternate cd to install [10:18] what does the alternate cd do? [10:18] and then the bug's just on the live cd [10:18] it's a text-based installer [10:18] you'll have a gui on the installed system [10:18] yes, try that [10:18] but you use the arrow keys, tab, and enter to do the install [10:18] macogw: I tried to go into text mode just now, and it didn't work [10:19] you cant do that from the live cd [10:19] its a completely separate disk [10:19] safe graphics mode means low resolution, no 3D. that's what you just tried. alternate means text [10:20] yes [10:20] macogw: I didn't see safe graphics mode [10:20] oh [10:20] should be the 3rd option maybe on the boot menu [10:20] I just saw something like F6 Boot Options [10:20] nothing that said safe graphics mode [10:21] it used to be the 2nd option but then they added "just install, no live environment" [10:21] hmm leme se.. [10:21] *lemme see [10:21] * macogw boots the other laptop from hardy alpha 6 disk [10:22] woah it did poof [10:22] sigp239: ok text mode interface isnt an installer at all [10:22] thats for you to specify boot parameters [10:22] oh. well it didn't work anyway. [10:23] dang whered safe graphics go? [10:23] did they trash it under the assumption that X will ever always work 100% of the time? i hope not... [10:23] sigp239: try vga=771 for the option [10:24]