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| * slangasek hates on whatever is honoring his volume keys that's *not* GNOME, causing every keypress to count twice :P | 01:48 | |
| jdong | slangasek: introduce a third one that registers the opposite direction once to counteract it :) | 01:51 |
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| slangasek | OMG >_< | 01:51 |
| * jdong pets slangasek | 01:52 | |
| jdong | slangasek: don't worry, I've got a 104F fever, my advice might not be as good as usual :) | 01:52 |
| slangasek | hmm, what's that bot command again to give me the relevant quote... | 01:53 |
| slangasek | ah yes, there it is | 01:53 |
| slangasek | !jdong | jdong | 01:53 |
| ubotu | jdong: <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK! | 01:53 |
| slangasek | I'm thinking the fever isn't keeping you down any ;) | 01:54 |
| * jdong resists potential innuendos in above statement.... | 01:55 | |
| * Fujitsu laments the lack of a Sync button on LP, resulting in annoying delays when syncing things. | 01:55 | |
| jdong | well an archive admin above seems to be active :) | 01:56 |
| slangasek | he's otherwise occupied at the moment | 01:56 |
| Fujitsu | Does anybody else find the new tooltip colour to be a bit too... orange? | 02:00 |
| _MMA_ | Fujitsu: "kwwii: I think that for hardy there is little reason to go out on a limb and change things for the sake of change" So I'm pretty sure Hardy will be the old "ubuntulooks" theme. | 02:11 |
| Fujitsu | _MMA_: Why is the Murrine-based one evolving fairly quickly and on by default, then? | 02:14 |
| sladen | slangasek: is it a thinkpad? | 02:16 |
| jdong | _MMA_: that's a shame; I for one like the murrine based theme | 02:16 |
| Fujitsu | jdong: As do I. It's much better than it was a couple of days ago. | 02:17 |
| Fujitsu | Without the orange scrollbars, particularly. | 02:17 |
| _MMA_ | Ken has been testing and watching feedback. All the normal stuff. Some love it, some hate it. Cant please everyone. :P | 02:18 |
| _MMA_ | "kwwii: it is very, very likely that we will use ubuntulooks in the end" So we'll see. | 02:18 |
| slangasek | sladen: yes | 02:27 |
| slangasek | sladen: you have a fix? or a pointer in the right direction? | 02:27 |
| sladen | slangasek: ps aux | grep thinkpad-keys remember the thinkpad has hardware volumen keys | 02:28 |
| sladen | slangasek: is it the volume, or the mute? | 02:28 |
| sladen | slangasek: is it a really, really recent model? | 02:29 |
| slangasek | sladen: volume; yes, thinkpad-keys is running; what's the issue there? | 02:29 |
| slangasek | it's a T60 | 02:29 |
| slangasek | ~1yr old | 02:29 |
| sladen | slangasek: ideally ACPI events are used to generate key presses; with broken ACPI, the ACPI interupt is used to trigger a polling check; with some totally broken models, the deamon is running in polling mode | 02:30 |
| sladen | slangasek: it's probably a feedback loop somehow; the hardware keys change the volume *and* get converted to a keypress; keypress->volume change (in s/w) and "the volume changed"... | 02:31 |
| slangasek | sladen: er, this is an entirely issue though | 02:31 |
| sladen | ENOADJECTIVE | 02:33 |
| slangasek | heh | 02:33 |
| slangasek | entirely *new* issue | 02:33 |
| slangasek | like, I think it's only been happening since my last login | 02:33 |
| slangasek | and it definitely wasn't happening before my last kernel upgrade | 02:33 |
| sladen | solved. blame the kernel people. Probably the kernel has now started to do it's own handling or something mad | 02:34 |
| slangasek | meh | 02:34 |
| slangasek | then it's hardly "solved" then, is it :) | 02:34 |
| slangasek | * ACPI: update ACPI blacklist | 02:36 |
| slangasek | that's the only suggestive entry in the changelog | 02:36 |
| sladen | thinkpad_acpi may have recently started generating its own events directly, recently | 02:42 |
| slangasek | if I stop acpid, I see no keypress events for the volume key, and the volume adjusts | 02:48 |
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| Arwen | [00:11] <Arwen> I have a local APT repository on my machine | 05:12 |
| Arwen | [00:11] <Arwen> I try to use "apt-get source" to copy sources from it | 05:12 |
| Arwen | [00:11] <Arwen> it goes upstream and fetches a LOWER VERSIOn | 05:12 |
| Arwen | [00:12] <Arwen> how to fix? | 05:12 |
| PriceChild | Arwen: this isn't really a support channel, but make sure you've added the deb-src lines then apt-get update'd, and an apt-cache madison might be helpful to see what's going on. | 05:16 |
| Arwen | I keep asking in the normal channels and people keep ignoring me.. | 05:16 |
| PriceChild | I haven't seen you in #ubuntu for several thousand lines. | 05:17 |
| Arwen | because Seveas banned me 2 years ago | 05:18 |
| Arwen | and, apt-cache madison shows my sources without a package name at the start of the line. What does that mean? | 05:21 |
| PriceChild | appeal it in -ops, a pastebin would help others help you, I'm off to sleep | 05:23 |
| Arwen | last time I asked he replied "not today, not tommorow, not the day after, not even when the world ends" | 05:24 |
| Arwen | and oh well.. | 05:24 |
| Arwen | http://pastebin.ca/933255 <-- any idea why my sources are lower priority and without a package name? | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | Arwen: there's a difference between Sources and Packages | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | looks like the darnode packages have the highest version | 05:40 |
| Arwen | yes, but the version on my sources are the same. | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | Arwen: how do you mean? | 05:41 |
| Arwen | oh wait no, they are at the top. Then why is apt-get pulling the distribution version. | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | do you have a deb-src line for your darnode repo and are you using any apt pinning? | 05:42 |
| Arwen | both | 05:42 |
| Arwen | pinned at priority 1001 | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | not sure if the pinning would make a difference, I tend to avoid using apt pinning | 05:44 |
| Arwen | but the more important thing is "apt-get source" doesn't see my source packages | 05:44 |
| Arwen | it's the same with and without pins | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | I would wonder if your repo is set up right | 05:45 |
| Arwen | yeah, it might not be | 05:45 |
| Arwen | I just used falcon | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 05:46 |
| Arwen | I don't know enough to debug it though | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | you could ask Seveas ;-) | 05:46 |
| Arwen | he has me on ignore | 05:46 |
| YokoZar | What's the difference between language code [pl_PL] and [pl] ? | 05:54 |
| YokoZar | Someone's given me translations for a desktop file like the former and I'm wondering why not do the latter | 05:54 |
| slangasek | the difference is that a translation listed as pl_PL won't be used when users have their locale set to Polish with a different country code | 05:55 |
| slangasek | so the practical difference is approximately nil | 05:55 |
| YokoZar | Sounds like I should use [pl] then as any polish local should translate to polish | 05:56 |
| slangasek | I think so, yes | 05:57 |
| YokoZar | Thanks | 05:57 |
| mbt | anybody using hardy with us-intl keyboard layout and having problems with the dead keys? | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | what's this new thing in my panel, i wonder | 07:09 |
| Mithrandir | click it and see what explodes? | 07:10 |
| Hobbsee | and it cannot be quit | 07:10 |
| * Fujitsu hides behind a nice thick sheet of lead. | 07:10 | |
| Hobbsee | begone from my panel, you rotten thing! | 07:11 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: What does the foul creature look like? | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | looks to be scim stuff | 07:11 |
| * Hobbsee clicks Mithrandir, to see if he explodes | 07:11 | |
| Fujitsu | I'm yet to be attacked by SCIM. | 07:12 |
| Fujitsu | Though I've been attacked by strange fonts that make the clock applet twitch. | 07:12 |
| Hobbsee | what the? | 07:12 |
| * superm1 is deeply disturbed by scim by default. | 07:12 | |
| Fujitsu | With this morning's upgrade, the system fonts changed to something very strange. | 07:12 |
| superm1 | i press shift space way too commonly | 07:13 |
| Fujitsu | The digits vary in width. | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | superm1: yeah, exactly | 07:13 |
| * Hobbsee purges it | 07:13 | |
| Fujitsu | Hah. | 07:13 |
| Fujitsu | Sounds like tracker. | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | and alt+space, and win space | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, exactly. i was about to ponder which one would get purged first on all new installs | 07:13 |
| superm1 | i didn't realize it capitalized that whole corner | 07:13 |
| superm1 | that means that you can really just say left hand pound + space and get away with it | 07:14 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: I dodged your click by going into the kitchen. | 07:14 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: my clicks work across continents. they're not going to be thwarted by some puny kitchen. | 07:14 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: X is network transparent, so the former isn't very surprising | 07:15 |
| Hobbsee | ouch. what happened with the fonts? | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: wha'ts the font fix? | 07:20 |
| Fujitsu | Hobbsee: I like most of the new font. | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | what is it? | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | it's just akregator that looks strange. | 07:20 |
| Fujitsu | Except for the digits being stupid. And the merged fi glyph being too short. | 07:20 |
| Hobbsee | so, it appears that ubuntu doesn't like skim being purged.. | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | or thegdm change | 10:08 |
| superm1 | Hobbsee, well i better not reboot then... | 10:10 |
| martin_ | can i install ubuntu mobile on an openmoko compatible device | 10:22 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: I've successfully purged scim. Did that at least a day ago, I'm surprised you lasted this long :) | 10:23 |
| martin_ | can anyone list devices that run ubuntu mobile | 10:23 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: i only updated a couple of hours ago | 10:28 |
| Hobbsee | marcel: that's in the ubuntu mobile FAQ - see the links in #ubuntu-mobile | 10:28 |
| RAOF | Hobbsee: Oooh, of course skim != scim. Silly me. | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | RAOF: i think i was complaining about scim, but yeah | 10:31 |
| dsargeant | Scim's been harrassing me all night. How did it get in my system tray and how do I remove it safely? | 10:38 |
| RAOF | dsargeant: I've always been partial to "sudo aptitude remove scim", and telling aptitude to forget that ubuntu-desktop recommends it. | 10:40 |
| dsargeant | RAOF: how do I tell aptitude to forget aptitude recommends it? | 10:44 |
| === Lure_ is now known as Lure | ||
| dsargeant | nevermind, I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/199030 | 10:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199030 in scim "Can't close SCIM" [Undecided,Fix released] | 10:54 |
| Nafallo | ehrm | 11:39 |
| Hobbsee | grumble | 11:42 |
| Hobbsee | it *is* a scim problem | 11:42 |
| scobby | hi i get an segmentation fault error when i run dpkg-reconfigure, with strace there is a bad adress error | 12:22 |
| pushax | what do people think of Icedtea-Java over Sun-Java? Not sure which one I should elave on machine or use to start learnign Java. | 13:01 |
| azeem | pushax: that's not an appropriate question in this channel, ask #ubuntu, maybe | 13:01 |
| pushax | azeem: isn't this room for developing software? | 13:02 |
| pushax | or is it for kernel dev? | 13:02 |
| ion_ | Developing Ubuntu | 13:03 |
| ion_ | Please read the topic. | 13:03 |
| pushax | ok | 13:03 |
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| theunixgeek | so they ARE adding new theme thingies to Hardy :D | 14:25 |
| theunixgeek | there's an orange line to the right of the menus :D | 14:26 |
| theunixgeek | seems like Ubuntu is moving towards orange now | 14:27 |
| theunixgeek | the add/remove is changed | 14:28 |
| theunixgeek | buttons aren't as shiny | 14:28 |
| ogra_cmpc | hrm, something seems wrong with the publisher, there is still no classmate-tools binary, even though it built fine | 15:20 |
| * xhaker thinks that whoever needs to disable scim should just uncheck that option on the new language-selector, that mvo uploaded | 16:42 | |
| TomaszD | can anyone please look at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-sendto/+bug/197145 ? A patch is available, so this shouldn't be hard. | 17:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 197145 in nautilus-sendto "nautilus-sendto not compatible with bluetooth-sendto" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:01 |
| TomaszD | it's really a let down that this doesn't work properly, you can send file via bluetooth this way :( | 17:01 |
| TomaszD | this needs some love :] | 17:02 |
| TomaszD | *can't send | 17:02 |
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| minghua | TomaszD: That's one big patch. It's also a new feature, so needs feature freeze exception (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess). | 17:51 |
| TomaszD | minghua, it's not a new feature, it's a missing feature that needs to be re-added. It's a bug that it doesn't work. User is left with no message when he/she tries to send something, it just fails silently. | 17:52 |
| minghua | TomaszD: Re-added? So bluetooth-sendto had the --dest option before? | 17:53 |
| TomaszD | minghua, of course | 17:54 |
| TomaszD | it works in gutsy as expected | 17:54 |
| TomaszD | the --dest option is there | 17:54 |
| minghua | Well, then it should be clarified in the bug report. | 17:54 |
| TomaszD | and I'm sure of it as I have shortcuts on my desktop with --dest so that I don't have to choose the destination | 17:54 |
| TomaszD | alright, I'll do it in a moment | 17:55 |
| minghua | TomaszD: Also, nothing stops you from working on this bug. Only asking on IRC usually doesn't achieve much, IMHO. | 17:55 |
| TomaszD | minghua, you'd be surprised. :] | 17:56 |
| minghua | Huh? Surprised by what? | 17:57 |
| Yash | Hello, I would like to contribute to ubuntu as a developer. | 17:57 |
| Yash | Can someone please guide me? | 17:58 |
| james_w | Yash: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted is a good place to start. | 18:09 |
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| === d is now known as dfiloni-StoCucin | ||
| realitybender_ | hello? | 19:12 |
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| warren_ | hello | 19:57 |
| warren_ | can someone reolve a bug? :D | 19:59 |
| LaserJock | warren_: you might want to ask #ubuntu-bugs | 20:02 |
| warren_ | ok | 20:02 |
| === warren_ is now known as elwario | ||
| nixternal | pitti: possible to give me a brief tutorial on getting editmoin to work with the wiki? | 21:18 |
| Amaranth | hmm, i wonder if launchpad would flip out if i tried to close ~100 bugs at once via email | 21:47 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: try? :-) | 21:47 |
| Amaranth | got another week before they've been in Incomplete state long enough | 21:48 |
| Fujitsu | Amaranth: I've closed more bugs than that at once. | 21:49 |
| Fujitsu | With a lot of To addresses. | 21:50 |
| Amaranth | heh | 21:50 |
| Amaranth | now i just need to figure out how to automate it | 21:51 |
| YokoZar | hmm, pbuilder doesn't work out of the box for me on hardy amd64 | 22:19 |
| YokoZar | Though, maybe that's as it should be since it's not working due to universe support | 22:25 |
| sistpoty | infinity: can you increase the lp timeout of sparc for ghc6 (one particular ghc6 -> gcc invocation w.o. output took ~900 minutes w.o. producing output iirc on a TI UltraSparc II (BlackBird)) thanks! | 22:26 |
| sistpoty | (cf. bug #194912) | 22:26 |
| geser | 900 minutes = 15 hours, wow | 22:29 |
| sistpoty | yes, I added the total build time to the bug ;) | 22:30 |
| sistpoty | not too sure, what exactly gcc does during that time, but it was definitely gcc taking this long time *g* | 22:30 |
| sistpoty | (and it didn't even swap) | 22:31 |
| sistpoty | fabbione | pitti | keescook: could you give a hint how you feel about getting a new version of ltp in? (bug #199663) thanks! | 22:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 194912 in ghc6 "ghc6 6.8.2-1ubuntu1 FTBFS on sparc" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194912 | 22:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199663 in ltp "Hardy FFe: ltp snapshot should be updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199663 | 22:36 |
| keescook | sistpoty: I'm all for it. :) the old one doesn't work at all. | 22:37 |
| sistpoty | keescook: thanks! | 22:37 |
| keescook | np | 22:38 |
| nixternal | pitti: nevermind my previous question..thanks | 22:46 |
| === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 | ||
| geser | Keybuk: Hi, do you know if it's possible to fix bug #57755 somehow for hardy? Three (independent) packages have use for the same udev rules but only one can install them. | 22:57 |
| Keybuk | err? | 22:58 |
| Keybuk | that was fixed, wasn't it? | 22:58 |
| Keybuk | or did they never agree | 22:58 |
| Keybuk | arguably it's irrelevant now | 22:58 |
| Keybuk | ship a HAL fdi file and PK policy to apply an ACL | 22:59 |
| geser | IIRC the result of the discussion here some months ago was to wait for policykit | 23:00 |
| geser | is there a package where I could look how it should be done? | 23:00 |
| Amaranth | !ping | 23:00 |
| Amaranth | hrm | 23:00 |
| geser | Keybuk: and which package should ship this HAL fdi file? | 23:01 |
| RAOF | Is the amd64 apport retracer on launchpad known-broken? It's stripped the "need-amd64-retrace" tag from bug #199392 three times now, but hasn't actually done any retracing? | 23:01 |
| Keybuk | geser: whichever package wants it | 23:02 |
| geser | gnupg, gnupg2 and libccid want access to the smartcard reader they support | 23:03 |
| geser | so ship it in every package? | 23:03 |
| Keybuk | does gnupg not use libccid? | 23:03 |
| geser | no, gnupg{,2} have direct support for some smartcard readers (some SCM ones) and can use others though libpcsclite | 23:05 |
| geser | that's the problem, if it would depend on libccid, libccid could ship those udev rules (which it already does) and the bug be closed | 23:07 |
| Keybuk | so why not just have a common file they can all depend on? | 23:09 |
| Keybuk | pitti may not be adverse to those rules being in HAL either | 23:09 |
| Keybuk | since you wouldn't be creating a group, but entries in PK's db | 23:10 |
| Keybuk | hurrah for the end of group-per-device :-) | 23:10 |
| geser | is there some good documentation for this somewhere? | 23:12 |
| Keybuk | for which? | 23:12 |
| geser | I mean how HAL and PK work together and how to grant an app access to one specific device | 23:12 |
| Keybuk | HAL/PK? | 23:12 |
| Keybuk | see the HAL spec on hal.fd.o | 23:12 |
| Keybuk | it's granted by user/session usually | 23:13 |
| geser | does it need changes to the app itself or does hald(?) change the permission of the devices itself? | 23:15 |
| Keybuk | not sure why you're worry about the app? | 23:15 |
| Keybuk | access to devices is granted by user | 23:15 |
| Keybuk | hald sets and removes ACLs on the devices | 23:16 |
| Keybuk | System -> Administration -> Authorizations | 23:16 |
| Keybuk | you'd add something like "Directly access smartcard readers" to it | 23:16 |
| Keybuk | (assumedly under org.freedesktop.hal.device-access) | 23:16 |
| Keybuk | you can grant implicit authorisation to the user on the active console, for example | 23:17 |
| geser | I've never worked with HAL/PK till now, so I don't know yet how all this works | 23:17 |
| Keybuk | this is just for device ACLs | 23:18 |
| Keybuk | (better than device groups) | 23:18 |
| geser | what I don't understand yet, who checks the ACLs and allows a user to access the device with e.g. gnupg | 23:20 |
| geser | and does it also work with a normal console login (no X11)? | 23:22 |
| geser | I guess I need to read the HAL documentation first to understand it | 23:22 |
| Keybuk | the filesystem | 23:24 |
| Keybuk | getfacl /dev/snd/controlC0 | 23:24 |
| Keybuk | you should see a user:geser:rw- in there | 23:25 |
| slangasek | oh, blink, we're using POSIX ACLs? | 23:26 |
| geser | ah, I forgot filesystems ACLs completely and only thought about the traditional permissions (rwx) | 23:26 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: yes... | 23:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 57755 in gnupg "Udev Rules for SmartCard Support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57755 | 23:29 |
| ubotu | ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore | 23:29 |
| ubotu | Bug 199392 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199392 is private | 23:29 |
| YokoZar | Wine's Tahoma replacement font still needs glyphs for some languages: Lithuanian, Greek, and probably others. Is there a better mailing list than devel-discuss to ask for help from aspiring font authors? | 23:38 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: hurray! | 23:39 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: hopefully we'll be able to get rid of all "video", "sound", "tty3", "disk", etc. device groups eventually :p | 23:39 |
| ion_ | Awesome | 23:40 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: er... why would getting rid of "disk" be a good idea? | 23:44 |
| slangasek | do you mean to make the disks root.root? | 23:44 |
| Amaranth | wait, doesn't all access in that case go through hal? | 23:45 |
| Amaranth | or the service hooked to the other end of policy kit | 23:45 |
| slangasek | that would seem to require backup software to either run as root instead of disk, or require some sort of PKage for backup packages? | 23:45 |
| Amaranth | I'm pretty sure it's just an ACL for who can access a dbus service | 23:46 |
| Amaranth | So...eww | 23:46 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: right | 23:47 |
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