=== kylem_ is now known as kylem [01:48] * slangasek hates on whatever is honoring his volume keys that's *not* GNOME, causing every keypress to count twice :P [01:51] slangasek: introduce a third one that registers the opposite direction once to counteract it :) [01:51] OMG >_< [01:52] * jdong pets slangasek [01:52] slangasek: don't worry, I've got a 104F fever, my advice might not be as good as usual :) [01:53] hmm, what's that bot command again to give me the relevant quote... [01:53] ah yes, there it is [01:53] !jdong | jdong [01:53] jdong: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK! [01:54] I'm thinking the fever isn't keeping you down any ;) [01:55] * jdong resists potential innuendos in above statement.... [01:55] * Fujitsu laments the lack of a Sync button on LP, resulting in annoying delays when syncing things. [01:56] well an archive admin above seems to be active :) [01:56] he's otherwise occupied at the moment [02:00] Does anybody else find the new tooltip colour to be a bit too... orange? [02:11] <_MMA_> Fujitsu: "kwwii: I think that for hardy there is little reason to go out on a limb and change things for the sake of change" So I'm pretty sure Hardy will be the old "ubuntulooks" theme. [02:14] _MMA_: Why is the Murrine-based one evolving fairly quickly and on by default, then? [02:16] slangasek: is it a thinkpad? [02:16] _MMA_: that's a shame; I for one like the murrine based theme [02:17] jdong: As do I. It's much better than it was a couple of days ago. [02:17] Without the orange scrollbars, particularly. [02:18] <_MMA_> Ken has been testing and watching feedback. All the normal stuff. Some love it, some hate it. Cant please everyone. :P [02:18] <_MMA_> "kwwii: it is very, very likely that we will use ubuntulooks in the end" So we'll see. [02:27] sladen: yes [02:27] sladen: you have a fix? or a pointer in the right direction? [02:28] slangasek: ps aux | grep thinkpad-keys remember the thinkpad has hardware volumen keys [02:28] slangasek: is it the volume, or the mute? [02:29] slangasek: is it a really, really recent model? [02:29] sladen: volume; yes, thinkpad-keys is running; what's the issue there? [02:29] it's a T60 [02:29] ~1yr old [02:30] slangasek: ideally ACPI events are used to generate key presses; with broken ACPI, the ACPI interupt is used to trigger a polling check; with some totally broken models, the deamon is running in polling mode [02:31] slangasek: it's probably a feedback loop somehow; the hardware keys change the volume *and* get converted to a keypress; keypress->volume change (in s/w) and "the volume changed"... [02:31] sladen: er, this is an entirely issue though [02:33] ENOADJECTIVE [02:33] heh [02:33] entirely *new* issue [02:33] like, I think it's only been happening since my last login [02:33] and it definitely wasn't happening before my last kernel upgrade [02:34] solved. blame the kernel people. Probably the kernel has now started to do it's own handling or something mad [02:34] meh [02:34] then it's hardly "solved" then, is it :) [02:36] * ACPI: update ACPI blacklist [02:36] that's the only suggestive entry in the changelog [02:42] thinkpad_acpi may have recently started generating its own events directly, recently [02:48] if I stop acpid, I see no keypress events for the volume key, and the volume adjusts === _emgent is now known as emgent [05:12] [00:11] I have a local APT repository on my machine [05:12] [00:11] I try to use "apt-get source" to copy sources from it [05:12] [00:11] it goes upstream and fetches a LOWER VERSIOn [05:12] [00:12] how to fix? [05:16] Arwen: this isn't really a support channel, but make sure you've added the deb-src lines then apt-get update'd, and an apt-cache madison might be helpful to see what's going on. [05:16] I keep asking in the normal channels and people keep ignoring me.. [05:17] I haven't seen you in #ubuntu for several thousand lines. [05:18] because Seveas banned me 2 years ago [05:21] and, apt-cache madison shows my sources without a package name at the start of the line. What does that mean? [05:23] appeal it in -ops, a pastebin would help others help you, I'm off to sleep [05:24] last time I asked he replied "not today, not tommorow, not the day after, not even when the world ends" [05:24] and oh well.. [05:38] http://pastebin.ca/933255 <-- any idea why my sources are lower priority and without a package name? [05:40] Arwen: there's a difference between Sources and Packages [05:40] looks like the darnode packages have the highest version [05:41] yes, but the version on my sources are the same. [05:41] Arwen: how do you mean? [05:42] oh wait no, they are at the top. Then why is apt-get pulling the distribution version. [05:42] do you have a deb-src line for your darnode repo and are you using any apt pinning? [05:42] both [05:42] pinned at priority 1001 [05:44] not sure if the pinning would make a difference, I tend to avoid using apt pinning [05:44] but the more important thing is "apt-get source" doesn't see my source packages [05:44] it's the same with and without pins [05:45] I would wonder if your repo is set up right [05:45] yeah, it might not be [05:45] I just used falcon [05:46] hmm [05:46] I don't know enough to debug it though [05:46] you could ask Seveas ;-) [05:46] he has me on ignore [05:54] What's the difference between language code [pl_PL] and [pl] ? [05:54] Someone's given me translations for a desktop file like the former and I'm wondering why not do the latter [05:55] the difference is that a translation listed as pl_PL won't be used when users have their locale set to Polish with a different country code [05:55] so the practical difference is approximately nil [05:56] Sounds like I should use [pl] then as any polish local should translate to polish [05:57] I think so, yes [05:57] Thanks [06:24] anybody using hardy with us-intl keyboard layout and having problems with the dead keys? [07:09] what's this new thing in my panel, i wonder [07:10] click it and see what explodes? [07:10] and it cannot be quit [07:10] * Fujitsu hides behind a nice thick sheet of lead. [07:11] begone from my panel, you rotten thing! [07:11] Hobbsee: What does the foul creature look like? [07:11] looks to be scim stuff [07:11] * Hobbsee clicks Mithrandir, to see if he explodes [07:12] I'm yet to be attacked by SCIM. [07:12] Though I've been attacked by strange fonts that make the clock applet twitch. [07:12] what the? [07:12] * superm1 is deeply disturbed by scim by default. [07:12] With this morning's upgrade, the system fonts changed to something very strange. [07:13] i press shift space way too commonly [07:13] The digits vary in width. [07:13] superm1: yeah, exactly [07:13] * Hobbsee purges it [07:13] Hah. [07:13] Sounds like tracker. [07:13] and alt+space, and win space [07:13] yeah, exactly. i was about to ponder which one would get purged first on all new installs [07:13] i didn't realize it capitalized that whole corner [07:14] that means that you can really just say left hand pound + space and get away with it [07:14] Hobbsee: I dodged your click by going into the kitchen. [07:14] Mithrandir: my clicks work across continents. they're not going to be thwarted by some puny kitchen. [07:15] Hobbsee: X is network transparent, so the former isn't very surprising [07:20] ouch. what happened with the fonts? [07:20] Fujitsu: wha'ts the font fix? [07:20] Hobbsee: I like most of the new font. [07:20] what is it? [07:20] it's just akregator that looks strange. [07:20] Except for the digits being stupid. And the merged fi glyph being too short. [10:06] so, it appears that ubuntu doesn't like skim being purged.. [10:08] or thegdm change [10:10] Hobbsee, well i better not reboot then... [10:22] can i install ubuntu mobile on an openmoko compatible device [10:23] Hobbsee: I've successfully purged scim. Did that at least a day ago, I'm surprised you lasted this long :) [10:23] can anyone list devices that run ubuntu mobile [10:28] RAOF: i only updated a couple of hours ago [10:28] marcel: that's in the ubuntu mobile FAQ - see the links in #ubuntu-mobile [10:29] Hobbsee: Oooh, of course skim != scim. Silly me. [10:31] RAOF: i think i was complaining about scim, but yeah [10:38] Scim's been harrassing me all night. How did it get in my system tray and how do I remove it safely? [10:40] dsargeant: I've always been partial to "sudo aptitude remove scim", and telling aptitude to forget that ubuntu-desktop recommends it. [10:44] RAOF: how do I tell aptitude to forget aptitude recommends it? === Lure_ is now known as Lure [10:54] nevermind, I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/199030 [10:54] Launchpad bug 199030 in scim "Can't close SCIM" [Undecided,Fix released] [11:39] ehrm [11:42] grumble [11:42] it *is* a scim problem [12:22] hi i get an segmentation fault error when i run dpkg-reconfigure, with strace there is a bad adress error [13:01] what do people think of Icedtea-Java over Sun-Java? Not sure which one I should elave on machine or use to start learnign Java. [13:01] pushax: that's not an appropriate question in this channel, ask #ubuntu, maybe [13:02] azeem: isn't this room for developing software? [13:02] or is it for kernel dev? [13:03] Developing Ubuntu [13:03] Please read the topic. [13:03] ok === joejaxx_ is now known as joejaxx [14:25] so they ARE adding new theme thingies to Hardy :D [14:26] there's an orange line to the right of the menus :D [14:27] seems like Ubuntu is moving towards orange now [14:28] the add/remove is changed [14:28] buttons aren't as shiny [15:20] hrm, something seems wrong with the publisher, there is still no classmate-tools binary, even though it built fine [16:42] * xhaker thinks that whoever needs to disable scim should just uncheck that option on the new language-selector, that mvo uploaded [17:01] can anyone please look at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-sendto/+bug/197145 ? A patch is available, so this shouldn't be hard. [17:01] Launchpad bug 197145 in nautilus-sendto "nautilus-sendto not compatible with bluetooth-sendto" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:01] it's really a let down that this doesn't work properly, you can send file via bluetooth this way :( [17:02] this needs some love :] [17:02] *can't send === azeem_ is now known as azeem [17:51] TomaszD: That's one big patch. It's also a new feature, so needs feature freeze exception (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess). [17:52] minghua, it's not a new feature, it's a missing feature that needs to be re-added. It's a bug that it doesn't work. User is left with no message when he/she tries to send something, it just fails silently. [17:53] TomaszD: Re-added? So bluetooth-sendto had the --dest option before? [17:54] minghua, of course [17:54] it works in gutsy as expected [17:54] the --dest option is there [17:54] Well, then it should be clarified in the bug report. [17:54] and I'm sure of it as I have shortcuts on my desktop with --dest so that I don't have to choose the destination [17:55] alright, I'll do it in a moment [17:55] TomaszD: Also, nothing stops you from working on this bug. Only asking on IRC usually doesn't achieve much, IMHO. [17:56] minghua, you'd be surprised. :] [17:57] Huh? Surprised by what? [17:57] Hello, I would like to contribute to ubuntu as a developer. [17:58] Can someone please guide me? [18:09] Yash: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted is a good place to start. === dfiloni is now known as d === d is now known as dfiloni-StoCucin [19:12] hello? === asac_ is now known as asac [19:57] hello [19:59] can someone reolve a bug? :D [20:02] warren_: you might want to ask #ubuntu-bugs [20:02] ok === warren_ is now known as elwario [21:18] pitti: possible to give me a brief tutorial on getting editmoin to work with the wiki? [21:47] hmm, i wonder if launchpad would flip out if i tried to close ~100 bugs at once via email [21:47] Amaranth: try? :-) [21:48] got another week before they've been in Incomplete state long enough [21:49] Amaranth: I've closed more bugs than that at once. [21:50] With a lot of To addresses. [21:50] heh [21:51] now i just need to figure out how to automate it [22:19] hmm, pbuilder doesn't work out of the box for me on hardy amd64 [22:25] Though, maybe that's as it should be since it's not working due to universe support [22:26] infinity: can you increase the lp timeout of sparc for ghc6 (one particular ghc6 -> gcc invocation w.o. output took ~900 minutes w.o. producing output iirc on a TI UltraSparc II (BlackBird)) thanks! [22:26] (cf. bug #194912) [22:29] 900 minutes = 15 hours, wow [22:30] yes, I added the total build time to the bug ;) [22:30] not too sure, what exactly gcc does during that time, but it was definitely gcc taking this long time *g* [22:31] (and it didn't even swap) [22:33] fabbione | pitti | keescook: could you give a hint how you feel about getting a new version of ltp in? (bug #199663) thanks! [22:36] Launchpad bug 194912 in ghc6 "ghc6 6.8.2-1ubuntu1 FTBFS on sparc" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194912 [22:36] Launchpad bug 199663 in ltp "Hardy FFe: ltp snapshot should be updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199663 [22:37] sistpoty: I'm all for it. :) the old one doesn't work at all. [22:37] keescook: thanks! [22:38] np [22:46] pitti: nevermind my previous question..thanks === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [22:57] Keybuk: Hi, do you know if it's possible to fix bug #57755 somehow for hardy? Three (independent) packages have use for the same udev rules but only one can install them. [22:58] err? [22:58] that was fixed, wasn't it? [22:58] or did they never agree [22:58] arguably it's irrelevant now [22:59] ship a HAL fdi file and PK policy to apply an ACL [23:00] IIRC the result of the discussion here some months ago was to wait for policykit [23:00] is there a package where I could look how it should be done? [23:00] !ping [23:00] hrm [23:01] Keybuk: and which package should ship this HAL fdi file? [23:01] Is the amd64 apport retracer on launchpad known-broken? It's stripped the "need-amd64-retrace" tag from bug #199392 three times now, but hasn't actually done any retracing? [23:02] geser: whichever package wants it [23:03] gnupg, gnupg2 and libccid want access to the smartcard reader they support [23:03] so ship it in every package? [23:03] does gnupg not use libccid? [23:05] no, gnupg{,2} have direct support for some smartcard readers (some SCM ones) and can use others though libpcsclite [23:07] that's the problem, if it would depend on libccid, libccid could ship those udev rules (which it already does) and the bug be closed [23:09] so why not just have a common file they can all depend on? [23:09] pitti may not be adverse to those rules being in HAL either [23:10] since you wouldn't be creating a group, but entries in PK's db [23:10] hurrah for the end of group-per-device :-) [23:12] is there some good documentation for this somewhere? [23:12] for which? [23:12] I mean how HAL and PK work together and how to grant an app access to one specific device [23:12] HAL/PK? [23:12] see the HAL spec on hal.fd.o [23:13] it's granted by user/session usually [23:15] does it need changes to the app itself or does hald(?) change the permission of the devices itself? [23:15] not sure why you're worry about the app? [23:15] access to devices is granted by user [23:16] hald sets and removes ACLs on the devices [23:16] System -> Administration -> Authorizations [23:16] you'd add something like "Directly access smartcard readers" to it [23:16] (assumedly under org.freedesktop.hal.device-access) [23:17] you can grant implicit authorisation to the user on the active console, for example [23:17] I've never worked with HAL/PK till now, so I don't know yet how all this works [23:18] this is just for device ACLs [23:18] (better than device groups) [23:20] what I don't understand yet, who checks the ACLs and allows a user to access the device with e.g. gnupg [23:22] and does it also work with a normal console login (no X11)? [23:22] I guess I need to read the HAL documentation first to understand it [23:24] the filesystem [23:24] getfacl /dev/snd/controlC0 [23:25] you should see a user:geser:rw- in there [23:26] oh, blink, we're using POSIX ACLs? [23:26] ah, I forgot filesystems ACLs completely and only thought about the traditional permissions (rwx) [23:27] slangasek: yes... [23:29] Launchpad bug 57755 in gnupg "Udev Rules for SmartCard Support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57755 [23:29] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [23:29] Bug 199392 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199392 is private [23:38] Wine's Tahoma replacement font still needs glyphs for some languages: Lithuanian, Greek, and probably others. Is there a better mailing list than devel-discuss to ask for help from aspiring font authors? [23:39] Keybuk: hurray! [23:39] slangasek: hopefully we'll be able to get rid of all "video", "sound", "tty3", "disk", etc. device groups eventually :p [23:40] Awesome [23:44] Keybuk: er... why would getting rid of "disk" be a good idea? [23:44] do you mean to make the disks root.root? [23:45] wait, doesn't all access in that case go through hal? [23:45] or the service hooked to the other end of policy kit [23:45] that would seem to require backup software to either run as root instead of disk, or require some sort of PKage for backup packages? [23:46] I'm pretty sure it's just an ACL for who can access a dbus service [23:46] So...eww [23:47] slangasek: right