[06:04] <calimer> wow Hirato didn't know you hung out in here, haha
[06:04] <calimer> my brother is actually in #inquisition if you ever wanted to meet him
[06:04] <Hirato> no noe expects the spanish inquisition >.<
[06:05] <Hirato> well mike, I don't, I just joiend quicker than you :)
[06:05] <calimer> yeah I'm slow
[06:05] <calimer> I forgot already what I was supposed to talk to LaserJock about
[06:06] <LaserJock> ?
[06:06] <calimer> oh yeah I'm supposed to ask you about Dtrak
[06:06] <calimer> oh and sandbox lite is going to be out soon
[06:06] <calimer> which meets the "free" criteria
[06:07] <Hirato> as in speech >.<
[06:10] <LaserJock> what do you want to ask about?
[06:10] <calimer> some guy named Dtrak
[06:11] <calimer> the guy from http://www.linuxgamingworld.com recommended I talk to him about SB and said you'd know who he was
[06:13] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[06:13] <calimer> ut oh...
[06:13] <calimer> haha
[06:13] <LaserJock> I don't remember anybody by that nick specifically
[06:14] <calimer> I guess he works in maine in a school
[06:14] <LaserJock> I wonder if it's David Trask or Matt Oquist
[06:14] <LaserJock> I think Matt's in Maine
[06:15] <calimer> here is the exact quote
[06:15] <calimer> "Dtrak works for a school up there in Maine and he can do projects"
[06:15] <LaserJock> probably Matt then
[06:17] <calimer> cool, does he still stop in?
[06:19] <hirat1> meh
[06:20] <LaserJock> calimer: yeah, he's moquist
[06:20] <calimer> not sure what that means
[06:22] <LaserJock> that's his nick in here
[06:22] <calimer> oh duh, sorry it is late here, haha
[06:22] <LaserJock> np
[06:22] <calimer> and trying to figure out everything he said to me
[06:23] <calimer> learning about lugs and locos as well
[06:29] <calimer> and btw LaserJock we released a new version :)
[06:29] <LaserJock> very good
[06:32] <calimer> I can't wait to get you guys Lite
[06:33] <calimer> I wonder if we could get it into ubuntu too, I would go crazy!!
[06:33] <calimer> I had no idea all these linux communities even existed
[06:34] <calimer> certainly things have come along way since my first days of redhat 8.0 and mandrake 9, haha
[06:35] <Hirato> we're currently working on some multilingual stuff, so if ou know anyone who can help out i  translating, it would be very much appreciated
[06:37] <calimer> oh yeah I gotta e-mail my italian friend
[06:37] <calimer> him and his band did some of the heavy metal music in LMS :)
[06:38] <calimer> btw H my brother heads back on Monday so should hopefully have lite on the SVN then :)
[06:39] <calimer> I just want to make sure it is cleaned out before I put it on
[06:39] <Hirato> just a blooming shame I can't delete .svn directories with -rm -rf
[06:40] <Hirato> also calimer, I might be uploading symlinks soon, so be prepared for a migraine :)
[06:40] <calimer> why do you think it will be a migraine?
[06:40] <calimer> and what are symlinks?
[06:40] <Hirato> fat32/ntfs = no support for symlinks
[06:40] <calimer> what are they for though?
[06:41] <Hirato> um.. as it sys, links, used to minimise on file sizes, and make directory navigation easir
[06:42] <calimer> I don't understand yet why that would bother me
[06:42] <Hirato> windows systems haveno support for them
[06:42] <calimer> and...
[06:42] <calimer> I don't care that much about windows, only on it until I get LMS out the door :)
[06:42] <calimer> stupid engine tools :\
[06:43] <Hirato> then you'll be joining me in running code blocks under wine :D
[06:43] <Hirato> and of course theming wine and complaining on how slow it is :D
[06:43] <calimer> yeah hopefully :)
[06:45] <Hirato> so calimer, do you think we should include linux and windows exutables in the same package?
[06:45] <calimer> why wouldn't we?
[06:45] <calimer> and yes, I think we should :)
[06:45] <Hirato> I thought you liked your current arrangement of windows systems.zip and posix systems.zip
[06:46] <Hirato> heh heh :)
[06:46] <calimer> it is windows system exe and multi zip
[06:46] <calimer> and I would love it to just be the zip but well ya know....
[06:46] <Hirato> meh... just don't include the damn .o's >.<
[06:48] <calimer> :D
[06:48] <Hirato> I think taht's why the linux zip is a whole 12 MB bigger
[06:48] <calimer> what directory are you looking at?
[06:49] <Hirato> I'll go download it
[06:49]  * Hirato sulks as it doesn't run under wine :(
[06:49] <Hirato> oh well, that means I don't get to test the windows bin :)
[06:50] <Hirato> while we're here, let's ask the experts :)
[06:50] <calimer> about what?
[06:50] <Hirato> would executign a binary fix it's permissions
[06:51] <calimer> the compling the mac binary on nix ? :)
[06:51] <Hirato> taht too :)
[06:51] <Hirato> though, won't we need the carbon headers for that
[06:51] <Hirato> or quartz, or whatever the OSX theme is called
[06:52] <calimer> oh the libraries, yeah prob
[06:53] <Hirato> and probably apple's screwed up version of GCC too
[06:55] <Hirato> http://www.cubeengine.com/forum.php4?action=display_thread&thread_id=1688 <-- as you can see by that, cube 2's performance on some macs have become quite questionable
[07:03] <Hirato> so how's GCompris and all that stuff coming along :)
[07:08] <LaserJock> gcompris seems good
[07:08] <LaserJock> did some testing
[07:08] <LaserJock> I might need to pull in a newer version before hardy is finalized
[07:08] <calimer> what does gcompris do?
[07:09]  * Hirato is using the alpha :)
[07:09] <Hirato> it's at alpha 5 at the moment right?
[07:10] <calimer> my nix HD is so in the stoneage, haha
[07:10] <calimer> with my mandrake 10.1 and all
[07:11] <Hirato> they chanegd their name to mandriva :)
[07:11] <calimer> yeah the version I have is the one right before they did that I believe
[07:12] <calimer> they merged with another distro, I forgot which one
[07:12] <calimer> I have really wanted to try ubuntu
[07:12] <calimer> especially xubuntu
[07:13] <calimer> I think I would die if I saw sandbox in the list of games to install
[07:13] <Hirato> in happiness or urge of suicide
[07:14] <calimer> shock/happiness
[07:15] <Hirato> not a good think at all, who's gonna do all the PR and package the releases >.<
[07:15] <calimer> and screw up the files
[07:15] <Hirato> well yeah, that too
[07:15] <Hirato> we can just dos2unix them to fix it :P
[07:15] <calimer> haha
[07:16] <calimer> I have a map i want to make soon
[07:16] <calimer> there is a story I've wanted to write for a long time and I want to map out the area
[07:16] <calimer> I gotta find my old maps of it
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. does edubuntu really still ship i386 kernels not 486?
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> nixternal, you around? (iirc your an edu-doc person?)
[08:08] <nixternal> ya, what's up?
[08:08] <nixternal> I am working on my 100-a-day :)
[08:08] <nixternal> holy smokes, 03:00, time flies when you are having fun
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> 100? 100 whats?
[08:08] <nixternal> 100 bugs a day
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh. wow.
[08:09] <nixternal> 90 of those are usually duplicates or 3+ years old
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> still wow.
[08:10] <nixternal> what's up with the docs?
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> nixternal, if i do up some patches, if i'm not sure about a change should i do it in a seperate patch, or you can selectively apply stuff?
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/stuff/a patch
[08:11] <nixternal> do it in a separate patch
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> will do. thanks for that
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> if your heading to sleep, sleep well ;)
[08:12] <nixternal> ya, I think I will in a few minutes...I wasn't paying attention to time at all
[11:29] <Nubae> hey, has alpha6 totally migrated to gvfs now?
[16:37] <Nick_M_> Anyone have any thoughts on a web-based Edubuntu?
[16:39] <subsume> Could someone please clear up some confusing for me regarding https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients ?
[16:41] <subsume> I've got some directions setting up an LTSP fat client but I need some small clarification. Could someone please help?
[16:41] <subsume> I know I can load an operating system in the /opt folder of the host machine. But I am not understanding how client machines read from this.
[16:42] <stgraber> basically they load the kernel and initrd from the network (using PXE and a DHCP server)
[16:43] <stgraber> then they run the kernel which loads the initrd which contains the tools required to network mount the harddisk
[16:43] <stgraber> the harddisk is either exported using NFS (Ubuntu Feisty for example) or NBD (>=Gutsy)
[16:44] <stgraber> then it's mounted and used as main harddisk, the changes between this remote HDD and the running system are stored in RAM, so everything is lost after reboot
[16:44] <subsume> NFS mounted disk
[16:45] <subsume> Ok I think I see the step where this happens
[16:45] <subsume> actually... no. I don't.
[16:46] <subsume> stgraber: let's assume I've taken all the instructed steps on the server machine... what needs to be set up on a client machine?
[16:46] <subsume> should I just set them up like normal thin-clients
[16:46] <subsume> (edubuntu installer) ?
[16:47] <stgraber> those will be configured the same way as normal thin clients
[16:47] <subsume> edubuntu installer?
[16:47] <subsume> ?
[16:47] <stgraber> the only difference is that what they get from the server is a complete system instead of a minimal system
[16:48] <stgraber> no, you should just have to update the BIOS to network boot
[16:48] <subsume> stgraber: ah-HA.
[16:48] <stgraber> or if you are running old hardware, to either add a PXE ROM to their network cards or use a boot floppy to perform PXE boot
[16:48] <stgraber> then they'll get their IP and PXE config from the DHCP server, will then contact the edubuntu server using TFTP, get the kernel and initrd and boot
[16:49] <stgraber> (yes, it's easy once you have been running that kind of setup for months/years :))
[16:49] <subsume> jee that clears things up
[16:49] <subsume> wow. that's grand!
[16:50] <subsume> stgraber: Have you seen that doc I linked to? Is RAM and processing power in this case are functions of the client machine. yes?
[16:51] <subsume> PXE ROM if they can't netboot... hmm.
[16:51] <subsume> Never heard of that.
[16:53] <subsume> If I connect my fat clients via network cables instead of wifi will they be faster??
[17:16] <stgraber> subsume: sure and you can't PXE boot using wifi (or only with some weird piece of hardware on unprotected networks)
[23:13] <stgraber> ogra_: ping
[23:18] <pygi> stgraber, I'd say ogra sleeps at this time of night? :p
[23:23] <stgraber> well, I don't and I'm in the same timezone as he's :)
[23:23] <stgraber> so I thought that maybe it'd be my lucky day