[00:05] <KrimZon> ^4nDr3s: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron has it somewhere
[00:05] <^4nDr3s> thank KrimZon
[00:05] <KrimZon> np
[00:06] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha6
[00:06] <bazhang> ^4nDr3s: for you ;]
[00:06] <pwnguin> nemo: probably has to do with gnometerm or something
[00:07] <^4nDr3s> haha thanks bazhang
[00:07] <bazhang> no worries ^4nDr3s ;]
[00:07] <^4nDr3s> release date is April the 24th right?
[00:09] <bazhang> should be; though probably will be more stable at 8.04.1 ;]
[00:14] <shirish> is anybody able to install openoffice.org ?
[00:14] <bazhang> sure shirish
[00:14] <shirish> bazhang: you don't get the dependency for openoffice.org-writer2latex ?
[00:15] <bazhang> shirish: you got the hyphenation bug?
[00:16] <shirish> bazhang: dunno but I get a dependency for openoffice-writer2latex & there doesn't seem to be a candidate version for the same.
[00:17] <bazhang> shirish aha not sure if I tried to install that or not
[00:17] <shirish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198942
[00:18] <shirish> bazhang: look at the bug above.
[00:18] <bazhang> shirish: thanks! ;]
[00:20] <DanaG> DAMN IT!  My keyboard got stuck again!
[00:20] <DanaG> Ctrl-rightarrow.
[00:21] <DanaG> WTF?  All my "space" symbols are now "sum" symbols.  That's broken.
[00:22] <DanaG> You∑try∑working∑on∑a∑document∑where∑all∑the∑spaces∑now∑look∑like∑this.
[00:23] <RAOF> DanaG: Huzzah for Sigma :)
[00:23] <DanaG> And they're actually OVERLAPPING the text.
[00:24] <DanaG> Somehow, the font is screwed up -- it's the "space" symbol.
[00:24] <DanaG> Hah, ubotu died.
[00:24] <DanaG> s/Hah/Eek/
[00:24] <Dr_Willis> Trying to track down a tool. that basicially pings an ip/server every few min, and logs wether or not its up/down. - Anyone seen such a tool. or do i need to whip up some bash-fu-young?
[00:25] <pwnguin> ping $host > log
[00:25] <Dr_Willis> pwnguin,  i would like to get some more 'data' in there like time. :) been toying with 'sing'
[00:25] <Dr_Willis> !info sing
[00:25] <RAOF> Or, if you wanted to be swanky, you'd put that in a loop & add some sleep calls.
[00:25] <Dr_Willis> bot is gone! egads! :0
[00:25] <pwnguin> there's a prgoram called heartbeat
[00:25] <theacolyte> I like mtr
[00:25] <theacolyte> http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/
[00:26] <pwnguin> !info heartbeat
[00:26] <Dr_Willis> Im not monitoring my own servers. My isp has been flakey. im wantong to log when im connected/not.  so i can yell at them. :)
[00:26] <theacolyte> use mtr
[00:26] <theacolyte> it does what you want but along the entire route
[00:26] <Dr_Willis> i got ntop running right now.  testing it out. Its a bit overkill for what im doing.
[00:26] <theacolyte> it's more helpful for ISP's
[00:26] <theacolyte> ntop is the wrong tool
[00:27] <theacolyte> I think mtr is in the standard repos
[00:27] <theacolyte> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/mtr
[00:27] <Dr_Willis> basicially Im wondering if my isp is seeing my torrent downloads and hanging me up competely for a few min.. OR if its somthing flakier on their end, I seem to get hungup/reconnected at random
[00:27] <pwnguin> the much more challenging aspect here is going to be convincing the ISP they should fix it
[00:28] <Dr_Willis> They just switched from Insight to comcast here in this town.
[00:28] <RAOF> Dr_Willis: Sure that's not comcast sending TCP reset packets at you? :P
[00:28] <RAOF> Dr_Willis: Oh, it _is_ commcast sending TCP reset packets at you. :)
[00:28] <Dr_Willis> RAOF,  it 'seems'  it does it even when im not using torrents.
[00:28] <theacolyte> it would only affect your bit torrent traffic
[00:28] <pwnguin> Dr_Willis: wouldn't a simple test be to abstain from torrents for a while?
[00:29] <Dr_Willis> pwnguin,  its hard to  cache with out some logging going on.. simce im not personally on the pc  all day. :)
[00:29] <Dr_Willis> hard to catch. heh.. not cache
[00:29] <pwnguin> how does one detect which connections are torrent and which ones are merely high port traffic
[00:29] <theacolyte> rather than give a lecture on tcp/ip 101, you can look it up :P
[00:29]  * pwnguin has deluge use full encryption
[00:29] <Dr_Willis> pwnguin,  good Q. and theres encrypted torrent traffic.
[00:29] <theacolyte> it's just the way it works
[00:30] <theacolyte> (tm)
[00:30] <Dr_Willis> mtr was in the repos. :) wee
[00:30] <pwnguin> if you're continuing to assert that it's possible, i dont think you should bother with the lecture
[00:30] <theacolyte> you'll like mtr a lot
[00:31] <Dr_Willis> i just wasn basicially a  little list in a file every 10 min time, showing if i was connected, or not.
[00:31] <theacolyte> it's obviously possible to detect bit torrent traffic
[00:31] <theacolyte> The Sandvine net appliance uses a different approach to disrupt BitTorrent traffic that makes seeding impossible. The Sandvine net appliance intercepts peer-to-tracker communication to identify peers based on the IP address and port numbers in the peer list returned from the tracker.
[00:31] <theacolyte> sounds pretty targeted to me
[00:31] <theacolyte> and since comcast is sandvine's biggest  customer...
[00:33] <Dr_Willis> Right - im not even seeding however.
[00:34] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Latest ubuntu set of updates/kernel - and now its only showing one cpu for me again...
[00:35] <pwnguin> uname -a
[00:35] <pwnguin> recently kernel updates seem to be pulling in -386 by default for me. it's highly annoying, i say.
[00:36] <pwnguin> i wonder if i should start publishing my bootcharts
[00:36] <pwnguin> i installed that ages ago
[00:37] <pwnguin> there's now a couple hundred over time
[00:37] <RAOF> Are you also seeing an inordinate amount of time waiting at "loading hardware drivers"?
[00:37] <pwnguin> not sure
[00:37] <pwnguin> but the graphic screen seems to stop for me during something that takes too long
[00:41] <Dr_Willis> 2.6.24-11-386  - yep seems to be using the 386 kernel.
[00:43] <superbob> Evenin all
[00:43] <superbob> Just updated to Hardy, and it booted the 386 kernel by default - which doesnt have SMP compiled in
[00:43] <Dr_Willis> superbob,  we were just discussing that. :)
[00:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I seemt o have the -386 AND -generic both installed
[00:44] <superbob> Dr_Willis, Ditto
[00:44] <superbob> It took me a while to realise, I had no wireless and only 1 core
[00:45] <superbob> :p
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if its a grub update issue - thats setting the wrong kernel
[00:45] <superbob> Did you try booting generic?
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> just relized i was using 386 :)
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> update grub shows it adding both entries..
[00:46] <superbob> I just tried to boot the generic, and it failed
[00:46] <superbob> checking logs now
[00:46] <crdlb> when both -386 and -generic are installed, -386 is preferred
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> heh NOW ya tell me.. after i just removed the  386 kernel. :)
[00:46] <joomlaNEWBIE> hello
[00:46] <crdlb> Dr_Willis: right, what's wrong with that?
[00:47] <joomlaNEWBIE> whats the best way for me to install 8.04 w/o waisint a cd?
[00:47] <crdlb> generic is better, but 386 is prefered by the update-grub thingy
[00:47] <Dr_Willis> crdlb,  :) you said the other dident work.. heh. well guess i will reboot and find out.. be back in a few min.
[00:47] <joomlaNEWBIE> im on 7.04 rite now..
[00:47] <DanaG> Damnvidia just hard-locked xorg, and needed a magic-sysrq kill.
[00:49] <joomlaNEWBIE> anyone?
[00:49] <RAOF> joomlaNEWBIE: The NEWBIE in your nick suggests against it...
[00:49] <pwnguin> crdlb: is this a change in behavior?
[00:50] <crdlb> no, it's always been that way
[00:50] <joomlaNEWBIE> that's a joomla newbie..
[00:50] <joomlaNEWBIE> who said ubuntu newbie..
[00:50] <RAOF> joomlaNEWBIE: However, update-manager -d should offer to upgrade to Hardy, IIRC>
[00:50] <crdlb> the problem is that linux-386 is getting installed for some reason
[00:50] <ubuntuGENIUS> RAOF: im running 7.04
[00:50] <ubuntuGENIUS> I don't think I can upgrade to 8.04 can I?
[00:51] <pwnguin> ubuntuGENIUS: do you have a launchpad account to file bugs with?
[00:51] <ubuntuGENIUS> yep
[00:51] <RAOF> ubuntuGENIUS: Right.  You'll need to upgrade to Gutsy and then from Gutsy to Hardy.
[00:51] <ubuntuGENIUS> I filed bugs last year to;-)
[00:51] <ubuntuGENIUS> ah dang is that the easiest way?
[00:51] <pwnguin> its the only way that works
[00:52] <RAOF> ubuntuGENIUS: That's the _supported_ way, yes.
[00:52] <superbob> Dr_Willis i presume it booted ok?
[00:52] <Dr_Willis> There we go.. 2 cpus now.
[00:52] <setuid> Question: I'm setting up Hardy Heron on a T61p through the text-mode installer so I can use encrypted rootfs... but it seems to only provide ext3 as an option there.
[00:52] <superbob> Dr_Willis : k going to boot mine now
[00:52] <superbob> brb...
[00:52] <setuid> Is there a way to set up partitions and encrypt some, and not others?
[00:52] <setuid> (i.e. encrypt /home, but leave /boot alone?)
[00:52] <RAOF> setuid: Yes, definitely.  That's what I've got set up.
[00:53] <pwnguin> how do you unlock encrypted volumes?
[00:53] <setuid> RAOF, How? I need /boot to be ext2, ro,sync, /home to be XFS/noatime, and / to be ext3/noatime
[00:53] <pwnguin> password at boot?
[00:53] <RAOF> setuid: Basically, you partition your drive into 2 parts; /boot & the physical partition that your crypt is based upon.
[00:53] <RAOF> pwnguin: Yup.
[00:53] <RAOF> pwnguin: Now with swanky usplash integration :)
[00:54] <setuid> RAOF, righjt, but the partitioner only allows me to create an encrypted _volume_, but I can't specify the fs that goes onto that volume
[00:54] <RAOF> setuid: On your crypt, you set up 2 partitions, / and /home as normal.  Basically the crypt looks _exactly_ like another disc to _everything_.
[00:55] <RAOF> setuid: Yup.  That's because there _isn't_ a FS in it.  You're setting up an encrypted _disc_.
[00:55] <RAOF> You put a FS on it later.
[00:55] <RAOF> (Generally after you partitioned it)
[00:56] <setuid> Ok, let me give that a try
[00:56] <DanaG> DAMNIT!  ctrl-z got stuck down this time!
[00:57] <DanaG> I wish that bug report about stuck keys would get some RESPONSE!
[00:57] <naught102> wouldbopen office requires scim?
[00:57] <naught102> -wouldb
[00:57] <RAOF> DanaG: It's got the response that one of the xorg dudes has moved it to xorg-server and assigned it "high" priority?
[00:58] <RAOF> setuid: For added bonus points, set up the crypt, use the crypted device as an LVM physical volume, and set up your partitions as logical volumes :)
[00:58] <superbob> arf, wouldnt boot
[00:58] <DanaG> Aah, I just didn't see any spoken comments.
[00:58] <DanaG> Also, the "modifiers forgotten" thing may be the same bug, approximately.
[00:59] <pwnguin> is the sticky keys problem related to what happens on hardy where you type in apt-get upgrade and then a bunch of newlines appear?
[00:59] <Dr_Willis> Heh - My bug report is 'low' :(
[00:59] <DanaG> Well, at least I haven't yet had 'delete' get stuck.... but some people have!  Imagine trying to delete one e-mail, and finding ALL of them deleted because the key got stuck.
[00:59] <Dr_Willis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/198351
[00:59] <DanaG> I'd call that a _critical" bug, actually.
[01:01] <superbob> So - 2.6.24-11-386 is mysteriously added, and -generic is mysteriously broken
[01:01] <pwnguin> mysteriously broken how?
[01:02] <DanaG> Eek, my pidgin icon in panel is ridiculously large.
[01:02] <DanaG> It's as large as 3 icons x 3 icons.
[01:03] <setuid> RAOF, doesn't let me do that
[01:04] <naught102> DanaG: mine is always 2x2
[01:04] <setuid> If I create a primary partition with dm-crypt, I can't then create logical partitions within it, nor can I define a filesystem mountpoint there
[01:04] <superbob> pwnguin, not sure going over it now
[01:04] <crimsun> hmm, we have a rather serious regression in that ssb backport in -11
[01:05] <RAOF> setuid: Hm.  Have you hit the button marked "set up crypt devices" or something?  It's a multistage process.
[01:05] <setuid> RAOF, Encryption is only available in text-mode
[01:05] <setuid> there's no way to do it in the graphical installer
[01:05] <setuid> Using yesterday's Heron snapshot DVD iso
[01:05] <RAOF> setuid: I know.  It's a multistage process in the alternate installer, too.
[01:05] <crimsun> BCM94311MCG rev 01s are broken for many open APs
[01:06] <RAOF> Where "buttons" are instead options in the installer.
[01:06] <setuid> RAOF, I set up 3 partitions: /boot, crypto and swap
[01:06] <setuid> When I go to "Finsh partitioning", it tells me that I haven't defined a root mountpoint
[01:06] <setuid> So there is no way to do this
[01:06] <RAOF> setuid: It's going to barf on that.  swap should *always* be on crypt
[01:07] <RAOF> setuid: There should be a "Set up crypto devices" option, as well as a "set up logical volume manager" option.
[01:07] <setuid> Should /boot be primary and the rest of the drive be logical then?
[01:07] <RAOF> Pretty much, yes.
[01:07] <setuid> RAOF, No, there is no such option
[01:07] <setuid> I have "physical volume for encryption", nothign more
[01:07] <RAOF> setuid: That's on the specific partition option, yes.
[01:08] <setuid> Well, the other filesystem options of course, but the only one related to encryption is "physical volume for encryption"
[01:08] <RAOF> setuid: There should be a _top level_ option, near "finish partitioning"
[01:11] <setuid> Can't make the encrypted volume an LVM target
[01:11] <RAOF> setuid: You should; I did.
[01:11] <setuid> When I do that, I get: "The installer needs to remove operating system files from the install target, but was unable to do so. The install cannot continue."
[01:11] <RAOF> You now have a crypt device that you can partition, etc?
[01:12] <RAOF> That may well be a bug.  I didn't see that when I was setting up.
[01:12] <setuid> "An error occurred while writing the changes to disks. Logical Volume Manager configuration has been aborted."
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198351 in fusesmb "fusesmb - Not working properly." [Low,New]
[01:18] <setuid> What a lovely and descriptive bug summary :D
[01:27] <setuid> RAOF, Ok, I managed to get it working... encrypted fs set up as LVM, with 2 logical volumes inside it... / and swap
[01:29] <RAOF> setuid: No /home?
[01:29] <RAOF> I mean, that will work, I just thought you wanted an extra /home :)
[01:29] <setuid> I'm finding all kinds of bugs
[01:31] <setuid> I'm getting "Insufficient free extents (76263( in volume group. 79843 required."
[01:31] <setuid> I set up the volume group (319G), and wanted to set logical volumes inside that group. If I _decrease_ the size of the volume (creating a 314G and 5G partition pair), it barks.
[01:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, anything new about STAC9250 capture?
[01:32] <crimsun> DanaG: for your machine or otherwise?
[01:32] <crimsun> the 9250 I have access to doesn't appear to exhibit that symptom
[01:32] <DanaG> Odd.
[01:33] <DanaG> It doesn't get that mysterious hang?  Hmm, how can I track down that hang?
[01:35] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder what other laptops (perhaps only Gateway branded) would be affected.
[01:35] <crimsun> DanaG: single_cmd=1
[01:35] <setuid> Yep, if I change ANYTHING in the size of the logical volume, it complains that I'm trying to use a size of 0
[01:35] <crimsun> DanaG: make sure your alsa-driver is compiled using --with-debug=full
[01:35] <crimsun> DanaG: you'll then see the codec commands and results in dmesg
[01:35] <setuid> Someone's math in Ubiquity is broken
[01:36] <DanaG> Can I do --with-debug through module-assistant?
[01:36] <superbob> anyone else encountered problems booting 2.6.24-11-generic ?
[01:37] <crimsun> DanaG: no, but patches are welcome
[01:37] <setuid> RAOF, Does each encrypted partition inside the LVM need to be in its own volume group?
[01:37] <RAOF> setuid: No.  You generally want a single volume group.
[01:37] <setuid> That's what I thought
[01:37] <setuid> But it doesn't let me
[01:37] <crimsun> it's because we'd have to expose some ridiculous options like "debug=detect" and "debug=full" ... in debconf.  Silliness.
[01:37] <setuid> I can't change the size of the logical volume inside the volume group
[01:38] <RAOF> setuid: The general idea for LVM is multiple PVs -> one VG -> multiple LVs
[01:38] <DanaG> Hmm, then what's the manual way of building the package?  Is it the same as from the other things that extract to /usr/src/modules?
[01:38] <RAOF> setuid: Hm... you can't make the LV _smaller_ than default?
[01:39] <crimsun> DanaG: you don't _have_ to use m-a; you can generate a deb using kernel-package, too.
[01:40] <setuid> But the installer doesn't let me create more than one LV into each VG
[01:40] <crimsun> DanaG: in fact, you don't have to use kernel-package, either.  I recommend you use the very last documented method by invoking debian/rules directly.  See /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[01:40] <setuid> If my VG is 319G, my LV can't be ANYTHING BUT 319G
[01:41] <setuid> The installer refuses to allow any changes
[01:41] <RAOF> setuid: That's quite odd.  You should be able to create smaller LVs than that.
[01:41] <RAOF> I don't think you can make them smaller once you've assigned them, though...
[01:41] <setuid> Once I modify the numeric value of the size of the VG that I have available, it barfs saying that I can't use a size of 0
[01:42] <setuid> For example, it says: 319870MB... which I then change to 319470MB... (cutting 4gb out), it barsf
[01:43] <RAOF> setuid: Of the LV?  It's difficult for me to help you, because it's been some time since I've touched the installer :)
[01:43] <setuid> Yep, the VG won't let me use anything but 100% of the VG's size for the one-and-only LV it lets me create inside it
[01:43] <RAOF> Hm.  Urgh.
[01:44] <DanaG> Now I'm looking at the rules file to see how to enable debug=all.
[01:44] <setuid> "Unable to create a new logical volume (rootfs) on encrypted_filesystem with the new size 0."
[01:44] <DanaG> er, full.
[01:44] <setuid> Hrm, I can change it to 219G, but not 314G
[01:45] <setuid> Is there some minimum limit on the size of an LV inside an encrypted VG?
[01:45] <setuid> Seems to be around 100G
[01:45] <RAOF> setuid: It's possible that you need to do it in multiples of the LV block size?
[01:45] <crimsun> DanaG: see the CONFIGURE_OPT block.
[01:45] <RAOF> The allocation unit size is likely to be ~4Mb or so.
[01:46] <DanaG> I edited the "debug=detect" thing to "debug=full" there.
[01:46] <crimsun> DanaG: make sure you place the additional parameter(s) in the correct place and/or modify the end delimiter
[01:46] <setuid> I'm at the GB limit though... I have no idea how to round that to the nearest 4MB
[01:46] <crimsun> DanaG: sure, that will suffice
[01:46] <RAOF> setuid: Neither do I.
[01:46] <setuid> 119870 works, 219870 works, 314870 does not
[01:47] <setuid> This is maddening
[01:47] <setuid> 314000 fails
[01:48] <superbob> when i try to boot 2.6.24-11-generic it just hangs - without flash all  iget is "please wait loading" :-/
[01:48] <setuid> Nope, it seems to be block-limited to 100G partitions
[01:48] <setuid> I just tried everything from 280G to 318G
[01:51] <DanaG> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `LINUX_VERSION_CODE'.  Stop.
[01:52] <setuid> It likes 297G, but not 298, 299, 300 and so on...
[01:52] <setuid> Yep, seems to only want 100G or 20G increments
[01:53] <RAOF> setuid: "odd" remains about the only comment I can make.  Probably bugfiling time.
[01:56] <setuid> Looks like encryption in the installer isn't ready for prime-time on Hardy
[01:57] <RAOF> Well, Worked For Me(tm) :)
[02:01] <yao_ziyuan> hello
[02:01] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone with kubuntu 8.04 alpha send me the default wallpaper
[02:02] <yao_ziyuan> it's this: http://72.11.142.207/~vladstud3/lowquality/vladstudio_tend_to_zero_blue_1280x1024.jpg
[02:02] <yao_ziyuan> but that copy has a waterprint
[02:02] <yao_ziyuan> i want the waterprint-less edition in kubuntu 8.04 alpha
[02:03] <yao_ziyuan> can anyone help me or i have to download the iso file
[02:04] <DanaG> [ 9862.008656] ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/acore/../alsa-kernel/core/pcm_lib.c:1540: capture write error (DMA or IRQ trouble?)
[02:13] <Ziroday> Will the latest version of the nvidia drivers be shipped with hardy?
[02:17] <RAOF> Ziroday: That depends.
[02:18] <RAOF> Ziroday: They currently are, yes.  If nvidia release newer drivers, the answer will probably be "no".
[02:18] <Ziroday> RAOF: Thats great thanks a load
[02:24] <Odd-rationale> How early can I place an order for a hardy disc from canonical? Thanks!
[02:28] <DanaG> crimsun: when I load the module with single_cmd, and then try to arecord, I get this:
[02:28] <DanaG> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58947/
[02:35] <jer132> I remember there was once an XML feed where I could go and see package changes to Ubuntu+1 as they happened.  Does anyone remember that the URL is for that?
[02:35] <RAOF> http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/hardy.xml
[02:36] <jer132> ahh!  thank you muchly RAOF!
[02:36] <ryanakca> Is anybody else having a hard time getting K3B to notice a CD/DVD drive under hardy?
[03:02] <onlivecd> hola..
[03:02] <onlivecd> i was using 7.04
[03:02] <onlivecd> and now installing 7.10 so i can upgrade to 8.
[03:02] <onlivecd> **8.04
[03:02] <onlivecd> and was wondering do i have to first get all the updates?
[03:03] <onlivecd> or can i just upgrade from my fresh install
[03:05] <RAOF> onlivecd: You can _possibly_ do it from your fresh install.
[03:05] <onlivecd> ah
[03:06] <RAOF> But why did you install 7.10?  By "install" do you mean "put in a 7.10 CD & installed", or did you mean "let upgrade-manager perform the dist-upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10"?
[03:06] <onlivecd> i mean format 7.04 to 7.10
[03:07] <onlivecd> and upgrade
[03:07] <onlivecd> so i dont use up a cd:-p
[03:07] <RAOF> What does "Format 7.04 to 7.10"?  You mean you already had a 7.10 CD, and you installed from that?
[03:08] <onlivecd> yep...
[03:08] <RAOF> Right.  So, you probably want the updates, and you'll certainly need the updates in gutsy-proposed in order to have an upgrade-manager that knows how to upgrade to Hardy.
[03:08] <onlivecd> ah
[03:09] <onlivecd> dang
[03:09] <onlivecd> the updates will take around 30 minutes?
[03:10] <RAOF> Depends on your internet speed, and to a lesser extend HD speed.
[03:10] <onlivecd> 15 megs down fiber optics
[03:10] <onlivecd> hard drive is a segate sata 250 gig
[03:10] <onlivecd> but the download for the updates are like 200 kbps max
[03:10] <onlivecd> is tehre a way to speed it up?
[03:11] <RAOF> onlivecd: Use a closer/faster/better mirror?
[03:11] <onlivecd> aka how
[03:12] <RAOF> System->Administration->Software sources should work.
[03:12] <onlivecd>  /etc/apt/sources.lis
[03:12] <onlivecd> oh
[03:12] <onlivecd> or that..
[03:12] <macogw> Have any of you seen this? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notification-daemon/+bug/63763/comments/9
[03:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63763 in notification-daemon "Standard theme sometimes truncates text" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:12] <onlivecd> hold up lemme fire up ubuntu live cd is annoying lol
[03:16] <onlivecd> ok im in software sources
[03:16] <DanaG> Find a better server, that's how you speed stuff up.
[03:17] <onlivecd> i found one
[03:17] <DanaG> Look for mirrors at places such as universities.
[03:17] <onlivecd> but how do i get ubuntu to use it
[03:17] <DanaG> Aah.
[03:17] <onlivecd> system>administration>software sources
[03:17] <onlivecd> stuck here:-p
[03:18] <onlivecd> i lie
[03:18] <onlivecd> i got it
[03:22] <onlivecd> 500kbps
[03:22] <teethdood> Please visit this site to see if Firefox crashes for you: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/82851
[03:23] <teethdood> it crashes on me, but if I stop it before it completely loads it's fine
[03:23] <ethana2> ok, well i've got userful half working on ubuntu hardy
[03:24] <ethana2> finally got the right resolution for my crt monitor...
[03:24] <ethana2> now to figure out why the heck i only have one seat.....
[03:24] <onlivecd> why u use crt lol
[03:24] <ethana2> i only have crt's
[03:24] <ethana2> i have two
[03:24] <ethana2> if you donate $600
[03:24] <onlivecd> why dont ya get lcds or something...
[03:24] <ethana2> i may get a more recent technology
[03:24] <ethana2> these cost nothing
[03:24] <onlivecd> they are like $150
[03:24] <ethana2> we had nothing to spend
[03:24] <onlivecd> for a lcd
[03:24] <onlivecd> oh
[03:24] <ethana2> hence dual seat
[03:24] <onlivecd> interesting
[03:24] <onlivecd> how much u get the crt for?
[03:25] <ethana2> uh
[03:25] <ethana2> 0¢
[03:25] <ethana2> both
[03:25]  * RAOF seest ethana2 is using scim to it's full :)
[03:25] <onlivecd> hah
[03:25] <onlivecd> why?
[03:25] <ethana2> ha, RAOF, you check the logs?
[03:25] <ethana2> i also use colemak, handy for español
[03:25] <ethana2> ^_^
[03:26] <RAOF> :)
[03:26] <ethana2> of course, it doesn't work right in Hardy yet
[03:26] <ethana2> we need a 'use caps lock as backspace' option
[03:26] <ethana2> even qwerty users may be able to see the sense in that
[03:26] <ethana2> if they don't already use that key for control
[03:26] <teethdood> I am loving SCIM, tôi thích SCIM
[03:27] <RAOF> Caps lock as
[03:27] <ethana2> backspace.
[03:27] <RAOF> _backspace_?  THat's crazy talk.
[03:27] <macogw> funny, lots of people are complaining about SCIM
[03:27] <ethana2> that's colemak
[03:27] <ethana2> scim started working in ff3
[03:27] <ethana2> i'm elated
[03:27] <ethana2> don't have to use epiphany anymore
[03:27] <onlivecd> why did ya even use epiphany?
[03:27] <ethana2> scim.
[03:27] <onlivecd> it sucks:-p
[03:27] <teethdood> the more I use FF3 the more I hate it
[03:27] <onlivecd> ohhh
[03:27] <ethana2> lol
[03:28] <macogw> teethdood: why?
[03:28] <ethana2> the more the release it the more i love it
[03:28] <ethana2> ff3b4 will rock
[03:28] <ethana2> comes out like tommorrow
[03:28] <teethdood> macogw: it always greys out on me
[03:28] <ethana2> i want to see it pass acid3
[03:28] <ethana2> well ff2 yeah
[03:28] <ethana2> ff2 sucks
[03:28] <macogw> teethdood: more than 2 did?
[03:28] <teethdood> FF2 works well for me except the memory hog issue
[03:28] <ethana2> ooohh, you /said/ ff3, nvm
[03:29] <ethana2> firefox 3 could shoot from the hip
[03:29] <onlivecd> anyone here use VOIP
[03:29] <ethana2> and get a headshot on firefox2
[03:29] <macogw> teethdood: i thought the memory hog issue was the cause of the "greying out"/freezing
[03:29] <ethana2> trajectory of projectile = 0
[03:29] <ethana2> i use voip every once in a while
[03:29] <ethana2> skype mainly
[03:29] <onlivecd> ah
[03:29] <onlivecd> skype to phone?
[03:29] <teethdood> macogw: I never had any greying out issue in FF2 even when I had 20+ tabs working
[03:30] <ethana2> google grandcentral
[03:30] <ethana2> lol
[03:30] <onlivecd> wat abt GC
[03:30] <macogw> weeird
[03:30] <onlivecd> im no novice at VOIP:-p
[03:30] <ethana2> grandcentral is what google is about to do to phones
[03:30] <macogw> usually grey means it's not responding....and usually that means too much memory being hogged.  ff3 uses less memory in all the benchmarks ive seen
[03:30] <ethana2> i have it, it rocks
[03:30] <ethana2> it really does
[03:30] <onlivecd> yep
[03:30] <onlivecd> it does
[03:30] <onlivecd> just the press 1 to answer gets annoying
[03:31] <ethana2> but blocking phone contacts?
[03:31] <onlivecd> magicjack...one side is usb other side is a phone jack...unlimited calling for $40 first year $20 year after.... now thats a steal
[03:31] <ethana2> and emailed voice files for voicemail?
[03:31] <ethana2> and stuff like that..
[03:31] <onlivecd> i use it as my primary phone line..
[03:31] <ethana2> i've always wanted that
[03:31] <ethana2> 'bout time
[03:31] <onlivecd> yep;-)
[03:31] <teethdood> ok now I have an issue with this VoIP thing...I don't get it. I mean you have to have an internet connection to use it right? which means DSL (or cable) but DSL requires a phone line, defeating the purpose
[03:31] <ethana2> uh
[03:31] <ethana2> naked DSL
[03:31] <onlivecd> dryloop
[03:32] <ethana2> don't pay for analog phone service
[03:32] <onlivecd> yea
[03:32] <onlivecd> it sucks
[03:32] <onlivecd> ive been voip for like 3 years
[03:32] <onlivecd> i had surnocket
[03:32] <ethana2> VoIP is here to kill it
[03:32] <ethana2> ;)
[03:32] <onlivecd> until they left
[03:32] <onlivecd> then i got the magicjack
[03:32] <onlivecd> have it hacked and running on my old sunrocket box
[03:32] <onlivecd> one line is magicjac...line 2 on the box is grandcentral forwarding to gizmorpoject
[03:32] <onlivecd> so free incomming line:-D
[03:33] <teethdood> man I totally forgot about the stuff I knew in the 90s...hmm for some reason I always remember it needing analog phone in the first place
[03:33] <ethana2> it did
[03:33] <teethdood> <--feels like a dummy
[03:33] <ethana2> then people stopped using it
[03:33] <onlivecd> still does in a lot of places
[03:33] <ethana2> yes
[03:33] <onlivecd> like here i cant get dryloop (in the country side:-D) but in philly u can
[03:34] <onlivecd> or just use the neighbors open linksys
[03:34] <onlivecd> or dlink
[03:34] <onlivecd> or homenet
[03:34] <onlivecd> or netgear
[03:34] <onlivecd> lol
[03:34] <onlivecd> i get all of em
[03:35] <teethdood> ok then if I get 1.5Mbps/384kbps DSL, AND I use torrents, etc. That would totally ruin VoIP for me wouldn't it?
[03:35] <onlivecd> nope
[03:36] <teethdood> or can I set VoIP packets to get priority?
[03:36] <onlivecd> just set up QOS on the router
[03:36] <onlivecd> yea
[03:36] <onlivecd> exactly
[03:36] <onlivecd> ;-)
[03:36] <teethdood> man I'm really behind the times...ok gonna get this rolling then
[03:36] <DanaG> Yay, dd-wrt!
[03:36] <onlivecd> DanaG: yep
[03:36] <onlivecd> cept can run it on a crappy v8
[03:36] <onlivecd> cuz it runs worse then stock (the wireless part)
[03:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what is the "SIPath" thingy?
[03:37]  * DanaG uses a WHR-G125.
[03:37] <onlivecd> nice
[03:37] <onlivecd> i dont need anything more so i dont really care
[03:37] <onlivecd> but i can get a fon for like $10
[03:38] <onlivecd> how much are them WHR-G125
[03:38] <Ienorand> Has anybody tried the latest fglrx 8.3 on hardy?
[03:39] <onlivecd> are there any VOIP channels on freenode
[03:39] <onlivecd> or any irc servers
[03:40] <onlivecd> crap needa reboot... just updated the fresh install
[03:40] <DanaG> Well, if you're in the USA (as I am), you now have to import them from other countries, because some Australian research group picked on Buffalo (and not any other companies!).
[03:40] <onlivecd> and it was wuick:-D
[03:41] <DanaG> Who the hell moved "_c_opy link" to "copy link loc_a_tion"?  It's stupid!
[03:41] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, well partially.  On the other hand, Buffalo (and the rest of the wireless producing world) *did* know that the CSIRO held crucial patents on the technology...
[03:41] <DanaG> So, they should've sued everybody.
[03:41] <RAOF> ...but didn't actually license them.
[03:41] <DanaG> Or the courts should've said this:
[03:41] <RAOF> It's hard to sue everybody :)
[03:41] <DanaG> "Sue everybody, or sue nobody.  Anything else is unfair."
[03:42]  * DanaG goes to Aopy some files, since apparently Copy now starts with the letter A.
[03:42] <RAOF> Heh.
[03:42] <ethana2> gahh, compiz doesn't work with userful
[03:42] <ethana2> i have a 2.8GHz netburst with 128KB of L2
[03:42] <ethana2> I can't be wasting cycles with a non-compositing wm
[03:43] <teethdood> ok which router should I get that would play nice with VoIP? I have an old netgear router right now
[03:43] <RAOF> ethana2: "userful"?  Also, you can of course try metacity.
[03:43] <ethana2> search for userful in add/remove
[03:43] <RAOF>  /apps/metacity/general/composite_manager, IIRC :)
[03:43] <ethana2> make sure all the repos are selected
[03:43] <onlivecd> son of a bitch updates courupted
[03:43] <onlivecd> on vista now
[03:44] <ethana2> !ohmy
[03:44] <onlivecd> i get an error "kernal panic" could not syc with...
[03:44] <ethana2> ...ubotu is fail.
[03:44] <onlivecd> sync*
[03:44] <RAOF>  Heh.  No userful for me - x86-64 doesn't exist, apparently :)
[03:44] <ethana2> i wish canonical would buy them
[03:44] <ethana2> and market ubuntu to governments and such that way
[03:44] <ethana2> that would be amazing
[03:45] <onlivecd> aite
[03:45] <ethana2> some people have done this /manually/
[03:45] <onlivecd> im out
[03:47] <alex_mayorga> did your gnome-settings-daemon go boom again? bug 199960
[03:47] <alex_mayorga> bug #199960
[03:48] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Ubotu is taking a sabattical.
[03:48] <RAOF> Or even a sabbatical.
[03:50] <DanaG> bug 199960
[03:51] <teethdood> I'm dual booting (use ubuntu mostly but 1 app need windows to run). Can I setup vmware so that it would boot up the installed windows partition?
[03:51] <DanaG> even without pound sign.
[03:51] <RAOF> !ping
[03:52] <RAOF> ^^^^ See - no ubotu for the moment :)
[03:53]  * DanaG pokes ubotu with a(n) ✈
[03:55] <teethdood> SCIM needs an onscreen symbols table
[04:00] <DanaG> Enable the "hints" in the config.
[04:00] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[04:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199960 in gnome-settings-daemon "error starting GNOME Settings Daemon" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199960
[04:00] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[04:01] <emet> !info wesnoth
[04:01] <ubotu> wesnoth (source: wesnoth): fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:1.4-1 (hardy), package size 2764 kB, installed size 6472 kB
[04:02]  * DanaG pokes ubotu with a(n) ✈
[04:02] <DanaG> !✈
[04:02] <DanaG> ubotu: ✈
[04:02] <emet> no way
[04:02] <emet> WOW
[04:02] <emet> you guys are fast
[04:03] <J-_laptop> hello
[04:06] <alex_mayorga> !joost
[04:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joost - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:07] <emet> !info wesnoth gutsy
[04:07] <ubotu> wesnoth (source: wesnoth): fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.6-1ubuntu2.4 (gutsy), package size 1963 kB, installed size 4472 kB
[04:07] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, so is your gsd broken too?
[04:08] <DanaG> gsd?
[04:08] <DanaG> !info ✈
[04:08] <ubotu> Package  does not exist in hardy
[04:08] <DanaG> Oh, gnome-settings-daemon.
[04:08] <DanaG> Works for me.
[04:09] <emet> Firefox 3b4 coming out soon
[04:09] <emet> it is last beta before RC release
[04:10] <emet> I don't think Firefox 3 final will be out before april 24th tho
[04:10] <emet> so ubuntu might ship with an Firefox RC or Firefox 2
[04:15] <Darkmystere> err, how do i update to alpha 5?
[04:15] <Darkmystere> im using 7.10 now i want to do 8.04 the alpha 5
[04:15] <J-_laptop> !upgrade
[04:15] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:16] <Darkmystere> i thought that was for alpha 1?
[04:16] <Darkmystere> only
[04:16] <emet> uh alpha 6 is out
[04:19] <Darkmystere> uh..
[04:19] <Darkmystere> so just do update-manager -d?
[04:19] <Darkmystere> and then click the upgrade button?
[04:20] <DanaG> maybe -c -d
[04:32] <BeauGeste>  I can not mount windows shares in Hardy Heron Alpha 6. I am using the same /etc/fstab as i did in gutsy gibbon
[04:35] <Hewus> BeauGeste: I have an NTFS partition mounted atm that is working just fine. What is the relevant line from your /etc/fstab?
[04:36] <Darkmystere> Ok who said do
[04:36] <Darkmystere> Update-manager -c -d?
[04:36] <Darkmystere> thats all to get  the latest Alpha upgrade?
[04:37] <BeauGeste> /typhoon/datadisk1 /mnt/datadisk1 smbfs credentials=/etc/samba/auth.typhoon.david,uid=david,gid
[04:37] <BeauGeste> =users 0 0
[04:39] <BeauGeste> "/typhoon/datadisk1 /mnt/datadisk1 smbfs credentials=/etc/samba/auth.typhoon.david,uid=david,gid=users 0 0"
[04:39] <Darkmystere> Hello?
[04:39] <Hewus> BeauGeste: Oh, share, not local partition. Sorry, I am unfamiliar with smb.
[04:40] <BeauGeste> yup share
[04:40] <BeauGeste> worked fine in gutsy gibbon
[04:40] <BeauGeste> smb4k can browse and connect
[04:41] <Hewus> Darkmystere: Hello :-). I wasn't here before, but update-manager -c -d should work to upgrade to the latest hardy.
[04:42] <Darkmystere> ok thx =)
[04:46] <Darkmystere> should this take long or not Hewus
[04:49] <Hewus> Darkmystere: I downloaded the ISO myself, but I expect it would take some time to download everything through update-manager. I would depend on the speed of your internet connection, and it also has to complete installation of all the packages. I would allow a couple of hours, but it may not take that long.
[04:51] <Darkmystere> Hewus, Ok cool :)
[04:51] <bazhang> closer to three more like it
[04:52] <Darkmystere> Hewus, it doesnt look like its using Update Manager some other thign..
[04:52] <Darkmystere> Hewus, will the amount of packages installed... Affect it?
[04:52] <Darkmystere> Hewus, Also will any of my files be overwritten..?
[04:54] <bazhang> no should not be unless you use the iso for a fresh install
[04:54] <Hewus> Darkmystere: Yes, there will be a large number of packages to be installed with an upgrade, which is the reason for the long installation time.
[04:55] <Hewus> Darkmystere: It is not formatting the partition so the files should stay intact. It is always a good idea to backup first though, especially when installing the development version like this. I always backup.
[04:55] <Darkmystere> Hewus, Well i have nothing to backup to LOL
[04:55] <Darkmystere> Hewus, Besides other Partions..
[04:56] <bazhang> then pray ;]
[04:56] <Hewus> Darkmystere: Various configuration files will change, but I assume you are referring to documents you have created.
[04:56] <Darkmystere> Hewus, yea also....i cannot figure out how to pause the update while i switch routers...
[04:56] <Darkmystere> Hewus, i was using my cruddy internet... i wanted to use the 6MB/s Thing :/..
[04:57] <Hewus> Darkmystere: I have installed quite a few development versions now and it has never touched a partition I have not told it to. The greatest risk in reality is that you accidently choose the wrong partition to do something, which is mainly why I backup :P
[04:57] <Darkmystere> Hewus, ;P
[04:58] <Darkmystere> Hewus, Also will i have to stop using all applications..?
[04:58] <Hewus> Darkmystere: Sometimes I switch network cables very fast and the connection appears to just pick up where it left off :P
[04:58] <Darkmystere> Hewus, Wireless...
[04:58] <Darkmystere> Hewus, i payed alot for the other router to make it able to stream the whole 6MB/s
[04:58] <Hewus> Darkmystere: It's probably best to, but if you're still using a few applications it shouldn't affect things too much.
[04:59] <DanaG> 6 megaBYTE internet connection?
[04:59] <Darkmystere> Acctualyl 20 but 6MB is the most i can get wireless
[04:59] <Darkmystere> to work with and i cant stay in on eplace so..
[04:59] <Darkmystere> all i use is wireless
[04:59] <Darkmystere> *place
[05:00] <Darkmystere> lol in a new buddies words DanaG!
[05:00] <Darkmystere> sec switching networks before it does the real upgrade...
[05:00] <Hewus> Darkmystere: gl
[05:01] <Darkmystere> Hewus, your not gunna stay and talk me through it :p
[05:02] <Hewus> Darkmystere: It should be fairly straight forward once it starts, it's really just point and click, then restart. I'm here for now though.
[05:07] <SeveredCross> Anyone notice their fonts look funny
[05:08] <Darkmystere> Hewus, Back
[05:08] <Darkmystere> its still going back and forth between b/s and kb/s....
[05:09] <Hewus> Darkmystere: Welcome back. Yes, it may take a while.
[05:09] <Darkmystere> Hewus, and i have 3/4 bars on Wicd
[05:09] <Darkmystere> Usualy i get like 50-350Kb/s Down with Peer to Peer
[05:10] <macogw> yes everyone's been complaining for 2 days
[05:10] <DanaG> I happen to like the new-old font rendering, myself.
[05:10] <DanaG> I'm not quite sure why, though.
[05:10] <DanaG> the 'b' and 'B' abbreviations are case-sensitive.  b == bit; B == Byte.
[05:10] <SeveredCross> My fonts are changed, I'm undecided on hether I like it or not yet.
[05:10] <SeveredCross> Goddammit.
[05:10] <SeveredCross> I need to pin the fglrx packages.
[05:11] <Hewus> Darkmystere: Speed is one reason I grab the ISOs, via bittorrent. Keeps the load off the servers.
[05:11] <SeveredCross> apt keeps wanting to upgrade fglrx when I have the latest drivers from ATI, but the packages are numbered funny so apt sees ubuntu's as being newer.
[05:11] <SeveredCross> Even though they're not.
[05:12] <Darkmystere> Hewus, Wow it stopped even showing the rate its downloading..
[05:12] <DanaG> Fastest connection I've ever used:
[05:12] <DanaG> Gigabit Ethernet in the Cal Poly Computer Science building, downloading from mirrors.kernel.org.
[05:12] <DanaG> 30 megabytes per second, baby!
[05:12] <DanaG> (Austin Powers voice.)
[05:14] <Darkmystere> Night all Ill sleep while it does its duty Expect me to be one of your best Error and Bug Reported :P
[05:14] <Hewus> Darkmystere: nite
[05:15] <Darkmystere> DANG!
[05:15] <Darkmystere> i need to upgrade to 1 Teribyte Per second
[05:15] <Darkmystere> and act like im a Small Buisness to get it LOL
[05:16]  * DanaG has lame Charter: 5 megabits down / 512 kilobits up.
[05:17] <SeveredCross> Whoot, finally got this apt pinning business so it won't upgrad"e my drivers
[05:17] <BeauGeste> okay baack to cifs mount of a window share
[05:17] <DanaG> With free packet loss due to a rusted coax cable, when it rains.  We have had that issue for at least 5 years, and they've refused to fix it; only now that we tried Charter Telephone have they finally run a new cable.
[05:17] <BeauGeste> it looks like credential files do not work
[05:18] <Darkmystere> DanaG Have you ever used dang cant remember name...Fiber Wire Connection..its so fast i think i lost my balance watching it go..
[05:18] <DanaG> FiberChannel?
[05:18] <DanaG> Nope.
[05:19] <DanaG> GbE is the fastest I've had the joy of using.  Especially when that's the connection to the internet.
[05:19] <`Xenocide> ive been trying to get myrinet working
[05:19] <DanaG> ... as it is in the Cal Poly Computer Science building.
[05:20] <Darkmystere> DanaG, My buddy has a 4GIG Connection With Fiber Wire connection....i downloaded the biggest file i could find A 30GIG Hardrive Copy....In about 30mins...
[05:20] <Darkmystere> i almost passed out..
[05:21] <DanaG> 4 gigabit?  Holy $FISH !
[05:21] <DanaG> (heh, I just came up with that one.)
[05:22] <Darkmystere> Gbe?
[05:22] <DanaG> GbE == Gigabit Ethernet.
[05:22] <Darkmystere> DanaG LOl
[05:23] <Darkmystere> DanaG, Get a Fiber Wire and then buy 10GIG Internet for one month...
[05:23] <Darkmystere> DanaG And then download like crazy....
[05:23] <Darkmystere> DanaG, Download the Biggest Operating System you can find... with all the extras and time it and come back with me :p
[05:24] <`Xenocide> fiber channel
[05:24] <`Xenocide> and fire wire
[05:24] <Darkmystere> Yea what he said..
[05:25] <Darkmystere> hope that didnt paste that..
[05:27] <DanaG> Huh?
[05:27] <Darkmystere> DanG, I did /exec i thought it pasted lspci -v in the channel i almost screamed..
[05:28] <Darkmystere> DanG, Would you know how to use irssi be in more then one channel at same time and be able to go between the two?
[05:29] <DanaG> I haven't used irssi, actually.
[05:29] <Flannel> Darkmystere: alt-#
[05:29] <dbmoodb> is there a way to turn off the hints when you scroll over something ? --- i assume that there is a gui option for advanced, intermediate, easy user mode
[05:29] <Flannel> Darkmystere: or if that doesn't work, ctrl-n/p are next/previous, or /window ##
[05:30] <Flannel> and if you have more than 10, 11 is q, 12 is w, ertyuio work as well.
[05:30] <Darkmystere> Oh ok Thx
[05:32] <Coded1> I'm playing around with Hardy Xubuntu alpha6 on a dell laptop, every thing gets detected and runs really nice, even the wireless works out of the box, but the desktop fonts are huge
[05:32] <dbmoodb> coded1 - can you try a pcmcia laptop card for me
[05:33] <Coded1> I can run firefox in full screen mode and the fonts in the browser window are "regular" for a resolution comparible to 1024x768
[05:33] <dbmoodb> put it in and then eject it - trying to determine if the wifi card i was using / networking manager were to blame
[05:33] <Coded1> ummm sure?
[05:33] <Coded1> you gonna fed ex it ?
[05:33] <Coded1> :)
[05:34] <DanaG> My cardbus has worked fine always.
[05:34] <dbmoodb> put a card in and then eject it
[05:34] <Coded1> lol
[05:34] <dbmoodb> - if you have one that isn't a networking card that would be better i suppose
[05:35] <pwnguin> i have a stashcard
[05:35] <DanaG> I have a cardbus sound card, actually.
[05:36] <DanaG> Audigy2 -- loves causing oopses and panics if you don't explicitly unload the module after removing the card.
[05:36] <Coded1> hmmm it still works !  I can eject it with no problems!
[05:36] <Coded1> do i get cake?
[05:37] <dbmoodb> did you try use it
[05:40] <Coded1> ummm not really
[05:41] <Coded1> all I have is an ethernet wired card, router is in another room
[05:41] <dbmoodb> try ?
[05:43] <Coded1> so how is that supposed to help you?
[05:45] <dbmoodb> well if there is an error
[05:45] <dbmoodb> then we can submit a more general bug if there isn't then no bug for that
[05:46] <DanaG> What's the issue?
[05:46] <dbmoodb> oh - i froze on a eject of a b43 card pcmcia
[05:51] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps the issue is with just that driver, then.
[05:51] <dbmoodb> perhaps
[05:51] <DanaG> My Audigy is the only card I have that gives me OOPSes and PANICs if I don't explicitly unload the module, either before or after eject.
[06:03] <teethdood> is there anyway to reduce the level of static in earphones when no music is playing?
[06:04] <ethana2> use digital headphones
[06:04] <RAOF> Mute your CD input?
[06:04] <ethana2> turn off all apliances in your house
[06:06] <crimsun> DanaG: please add the contents of that pastebin to your bug report, thanks.
[06:07] <DanaG> Easier to just look at dmesg again than to scroll back to find the pastebin number.
[06:07] <DanaG> Should I just stick it in the body of that bug report?
[06:09] <alex_mayorg1> what's the GUI to pair a bluetooth keyboard on hardy?
[06:09] <pwnguin> alex_mayorg1: built in bluetooth chipset?
[06:10] <crimsun> DanaG: sure
[06:11] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I disable scim ?
[06:14] <alex_mayorg1> pwnguin, bluetooth dongle
[06:14] <crimsun> remove it from the session and/or uninstall it.
[06:14] <crimsun> ("remove"->may require editing it out and saving the session or simply disabling it)
[06:15] <crimsun> alex_mayorg1: once you plug in the dongle, it should pop up the util in the notification area.  At that point, you can browse for devices with which to pair.
[06:15] <DanaG> You may also try "disable all" on tables, as well as removing all tables and disabling toolbar and icon.
[06:15] <AnAnt> crimsun: what's the need for scim ? I mean , how different is it from layout indicator applet ?
[06:16] <DanaG> SCIM lets you input nifty things like this:
[06:16] <crimsun> AnAnt: necessary for Asian IM.
[06:16] <crimsun> AnAnt: to differing degrees, it's also required for other languages.
[06:16] <AnAnt> crimsun: well I tried it with arabic, it's just messy
[06:16] <AnAnt> crimsun: I get something different from what I type, that's why I wanted to disable it
[06:17] <crimsun> AnAnt: it's best to add that to a bug report
[06:17] <DanaG> Hmm, the default keybindings are also a bit insane.
[06:17] <DanaG> Example: shift-space eats space, and the shift-ctrl and ctrl-shift make it too easy to trigger.
[06:17] <crimsun> indeed, I keep triggering it via the left shift
[06:17] <alex_mayorg1> crimsun, problem at hand is that the GUI tries to use OBEX on a keyboard, which wouldn't work bug 186973 or similar
[06:18] <AnAnt> crimsun: btw, do you know if someone is working on this bug #57872
[06:19] <DanaG> I've added to my bug report.  I forgot to mention the use of single_cmd=1, though.
[06:19] <crimsun> DanaG: please mention that
[06:20] <crimsun> it should be blindingly obvious to anyone versed with ALSA, but not everyone is.
[06:20] <DanaG> Oddly enough, now I'm still getting the hang, but not getting the error.
[06:20] <AnAnt> I can't find scim in the session manager
[06:22] <AnAnt> just pkill scim ?
[06:23] <DanaG> OOps, it's -D, not -d.
[06:24] <crimsun> AnAnt: yes, Ted's working on that bug.
[06:25] <crimsun> AnAnt: you might notice in that bug report that he solicited input on the 4th of March.
[06:28] <AnAnt> oh yes, thanks
[06:29] <AnAnt> ah, I think I understand how this scim works
[06:29] <AnAnt> I should write the transliteration of the word
[06:30] <AnAnt> I thought I should type according to what I see on my  keyboard
[06:33] <DanaG> Install the additional tables package and you can do nifty math stuff, too.
[06:34] <teethdood> Generic Table | Table Management | Choose your language | Properties |look under Valid Characters for ways to type specific letters
[06:34] <DanaG> Ever need to say "Δt = 550 µs" ?
[06:34] <DanaG> And stuff like that.
[06:35] <AnAnt> teethdood: ok, I looked at it, so ?
[06:36] <AnAnt> teethdood: here they are: !',./0123456789;<>?ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz~
[06:36] <AnAnt> teethdood: not a single arabic character there
[06:36] <DanaG> Handy hint: go to "Generic" tab and select "show prompt" and "show key hint"
[06:37] <DanaG> And then under "GTK" on the left, check essentially everything.
[06:38] <AnAnt> ok, the problem is that in order to write arabic, I need to write its english transliteration, that's the only method in scim ?
[06:38] <AnAnt> I got an arabic keyboard already
[06:39] <DanaG> the Latex one is still handy.
[06:39] <AnAnt> DanaG: how ?
[06:39] <DanaG> For math symbols, if you install tables-additional.
[06:39] <DanaG> (that's not the full package name.)
[06:40] <teethdood> AnAnt: changing your keyboard over to Arabic doesn't allow you to write arabic? (system|prefs|keyboard)
[06:40] <AnAnt> DanaG: how to use latex table ?
[06:40] <DanaG> Oh, and when I said "essentially everything", I actually mean to leave the "stick windows" unchecked.
[06:40] <DanaG> A ≈ B
[06:40] <DanaG> Z=jωL
[06:41] <DanaG> Stuff like that.
[06:41] <AnAnt> teethdood: yes it does, worked for years, its just that scim is interefering sometimes, messing things up
[06:41] <DanaG> A ⋚ B
[06:41] <DanaG> WTF is that symbol for?
[06:41] <Flannel> What symbol is it?
[06:41] <DanaG> A ⋛ B
[06:41] <DanaG> It's "greater, equal, or less than" and vice versa.
[06:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 186973 in gvfs "obexftp does not work in hardy + gvfs" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186973
[06:42] <teethdood> it's for when you're unsure of yourself...likes men? likes women? likes both?
[06:42] <DanaG> If A ⋚ B, then why bother describing it?
[06:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57872 in gnome-power-manager "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57872
[06:43] <teethdood> DanaG: how do you install additional tables?
[06:43] <orvokki> DanaG: Looks like something to be used as the ending line in a mathematical proof.
[06:43] <DanaG> Package name is scim-tables-additional
[06:43] <AnAnt> danag: you did this with latex ?
[06:43] <AnAnt> danag: you did this with latex tables ?
[06:43] <orvokki> DanaG: Like "A does not equal B which was to be proved."
[06:44] <DanaG> Yeah, but that symbol means "is less OR is equal OR is greater" ... which means it can be ANYTHING, right?
[06:44] <orvokki> How do you guess the or?
[06:44] <orvokki> Maybe it's and.
[06:44] <DanaG> They're vertically stacked.
[06:45] <DanaG> A ≤ B is less than or equal.
[06:45] <DanaG> Once you install and select the "latex" table, hit backslash.
[06:45] <orvokki> *shrug*
[06:46] <AnAnt>  µ≤ν
[06:47] <AnAnt> Δ
[06:47] <AnAnt> ok, cool
[06:47] <AnAnt> how do I use Raw code tables ?
[06:49] <ethana2> heh
[06:49] <ethana2> the second order special chars for colemak don't work in kde or gnome for some reason
[06:49] <ethana2> so now even /i/ have to use special character applets
[06:50] <DanaG> You can bind a key to "second level chooser", right?
[06:50] <DanaG> RAW CODE is for typing the character values yourself.
[06:50] <ethana2> right alt + \ + key
[06:50] <DanaG> 󞫐򾻰
[06:51] <ethana2> my keys and altgr+keys already are bound
[06:51] <DanaG> That was "0dead0 0beef0"
[06:51] <teethdood> SCIM is a crapshoot for me...sometimes it works great sometimes not
[06:51] <teethdood> I installed all the tables, but it would only show 2 tables to choose from
[06:53] <AnAnt> teethdood: SCIM Setup -> IM engine -> global setup
[06:53] <teethdood> yup enabled all that
[06:53] <DanaG> May need to restart SCIM.
[06:54] <teethdood> yeah looks like it
[07:08] <DanaG> OOh, new packages.
[07:08] <DanaG> !info uns
[07:09] <AnAnt> ?
[07:09] <AnAnt> ok, I still dunno how to disable scim
[07:09] <AnAnt> I did pkill scim, and it opened again !
[07:10] <DanaG> Short hackish way: find where the binary is, and chmod it -x.
[07:11] <DanaG> Next laptop I get, I'll get one with AMT just for the heck of it.
[07:14] <AnAnt> AMT ?
[07:14] <AnAnt> active matrix technology ?
[07:17] <mesilliac> AnAnt, did you try: System > Administration > Language Support --> uncheck "enable support to enter complex characters"?
[07:17] <DanaG> Intel AMT: google it.
[07:22] <AnAnt> mesilliac: thx
[07:22] <Raspberry> there's something really screwed up with this "language" SCIM thing
[07:22] <Raspberry> so when I log in now -- it asks me if I want to fix my naming issue...
[07:23] <Raspberry> folder naming issue by renaming /home/myuseraccount to /home/myuseraccount/Music
[07:23] <Raspberry> uh... no that seems like a BAD idea
[07:25] <DanaG> No, that's the xdg-user-dirs thing.
[07:25] <DanaG> It's badly phrased; all it does is create the folders.
[07:27] <l815> anyone know how to get java working with firefox 3 ?
[07:30] <AnAnt> l815: it doesn't ?
[07:31] <l815> AnAnt, i tried installing 3 versions out of the 4 or 5 they list, but it keeps saying i need to install it
[07:31] <AnAnt> l815: in firefox, browse to about:plugins
[07:32] <l815> AnAnt, icedtea is installed and enabled
[07:32] <AnAnt> l815: oh, tried sun java ?
[07:33] <l815> AnAnt, yeah but i kept getting the same thing. I reinstalled icedtea again and it worked but now i get a cache error
[07:34] <l815> AnAnt, I'll try sun java again
[07:35] <l815> how do i uninstall the icedtea plugin?
[07:36] <l815> nvm
[07:43] <l815> if i use sun java , it doesnt show under plugins T-T
[07:51] <savvas> l815: amd64 ?
[07:52] <savvas> java doesn't ship with a firefox plugin
[07:52] <l815> savvas, intel core duo
[07:52] <savvas> l815: uname -r
[07:52] <savvas> paste that command in gnome terminal
[07:53] <l815> savvas, 2.6.24.11-generic
[07:53] <l815> savvas, java is installed, but in about:plugins it doesn't show being used
[07:54] <savvas> l815: sorry, do uname -a
[07:55] <l815> savvas,
[07:55] <l815> savvas, Linux l815-laptop 2.6.24-11-generic #1 SMP Fri Feb 29 22:08:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:55] <savvas> try: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[07:56] <l815> savvas, i get to choose between cacao and java
[07:57] <savvas> is there an asterisk next to java?
[07:57] <l815> yeah
[07:57] <savvas> ok press enter
[07:57] <l815> well it's a + sign
[07:57] <savvas> apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin
[07:57] <savvas> paste the output in http://pastebin.ca
[07:58] <l815> okay done
[07:58] <l815> http://pastebin.ca/935012
[07:59] <savvas> well.. the only plugin i could find is icedtea-java7-plugin
[08:00] <savvas> it's an open source alternative for sun java
[08:00] <l815> i tried using it, and it was detected and worked, but when some site tried to use java i'd get a cache error
[08:00] <l815> icedtea that is
[08:00] <savvas> hm..
[08:00] <savvas> it could probably do that, it's still under development
[08:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, what error u got from using sun-java?
[08:01] <savvas> how about going to the sun java verification site?
[08:01] <l815> it was something about a folder to be created with read write permissions but didn't say where
[08:01] <l815> [Hardy]TuTUXG, none, it just isn't being used by firefox
[08:01] <savvas> [Hardy]TuTUXG: he needs a plugin for firefox, but i think sun java doesn't provide one anymore
[08:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, i use sun-java's plugin with ff3 and it works fine
[08:02] <l815> well if i can figure out where to make that folder for icedTea, i wouldn't mind using it
[08:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> under hardy, of cuz
[08:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, can u use other java apps?
[08:02] <savvas> ah so it's a 64-bit only problem then :P
[08:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> oh, i c
[08:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> if it's 64-bit, i have no clue
[08:03] <savvas> he has the i386 architecture
[08:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> well, then it should work
[08:03] <l815> i'm not using 64bit
[08:03]  * [Hardy]TuTUXG is a little confused
[08:03] <savvas> i'll just stop blubbering, help him if you can
[08:03] <savvas> :)
[08:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[08:03] <l815> lol
[08:03] <l815> ill try icedTea again
[08:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, ok so can u use other java apps?
[08:04] <l815> i haven't tried any yet
[08:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> like eclipse or netbean
[08:04]  * [Hardy]TuTUXG couldn't find other java apps right now...
[08:04] <l815> i'll try eclipse real quick
[08:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok
[08:04] <l815> i have to install netbeans later :/
[08:06] <oxigen> [Hardy]TuTUXG: do you use sun-java's plugin for ff3 from the hardy repository?
[08:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> oxigen, yes
[08:06] <oxigen> [Hardy]TuTUXG, do you use 64 bit ubuntu
[08:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> oxigen, no, 32bit
[08:06] <l815> ahh another read write error with eclipse
[08:07] <oxigen> aha, ok thanks
[08:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, so ok, seems like u got the x11-xcb problem
[08:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, can u give me the error message?
[08:07] <l815> [Hardy]TuTUXG, a screenshot?
[08:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, sure, if u have somewhere to put it
[08:08] <l815> [Hardy]TuTUXG, http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2410/screenshotzc6.png
[08:09] <l815> [Hardy]TuTUXG, it's only when loading the workbench though, the program seems to run ok
[08:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, um.. can u compile something and run it?
[08:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, in eclipse
[08:10] <l815> i don't think i installed build essentials yet
[08:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, nvm
[08:10] <l815> i need to though, so i'll do it right now
[08:10]  * [Hardy]TuTUXG needs a program to test java
[08:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, no, u dont have to
[08:11] <l815> lol it's already done installing
[08:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, and i what i mean is compile a java program with eclipse
[08:12] <savvas> put a hello world :P
[08:12] <l815> ah okay, well i'm not too familiar with the java language
[08:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, good idea
[08:12] <l815> okay one sec
[08:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, it's easier if i can just think of a java apps tho
[08:13] <savvas> hm..
[08:13] <savvas> sun-java6-demo ?
[08:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, ... dont really know how to use it
[08:14] <l815> what's the command to install Jdk? sun-java-jdk?
[08:14] <savvas> me neither, i'll check the files installed in a coupld of minutes
[08:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, sun-java6-jdk
[08:15] <l815> thanks
[08:16] <l815> i get this trying to execute netbeans installer, does it have to do with java at all? java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed.
[08:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, ok
[08:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, so ya u got that bug
[08:17] <l815> damn lol
[08:17] <l815> is there a fix ?
[08:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, there is a workaround
[08:17] <l815> that works too :)
[08:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, which is what im lookin for
[08:17] <l815> thanks
[08:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sed -i 's/XINERAMA/FAKEEXTN/g' /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.04/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so
[08:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815,
[08:20] <l815> paste that in terminal?
[08:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, sudo sed -i 's/XINERAMA/FAKEEXTN/g' /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.04/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so
[08:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ys
[08:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> yes*
[08:20] <l815> great the installer launched
[08:21] <l815> thanks :D
[08:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, now try the plugin
[08:21] <l815> doesn't show in about:plugins
[08:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ls /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/plugins
[08:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> in term
[08:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and there should be a libjavaplugin.so there
[08:23] <l815> it doesn't show anything in term
[08:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so it's empty?
[08:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG>  
[08:23] <l815> yeah
[08:23] <l815> no
[08:24] <l815> just goes to me to type another command
[08:24] <l815> no blanks, no whitespace nothing
[08:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[08:24] <l815> that worked
[08:24] <l815> yeah that plugin is listed
[08:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> is the javaplugin link in there
[08:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok
[08:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> first, do u have other plugins with firefox?
[08:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> like flash
[08:25] <l815> yeah
[08:25] <l815> one sec
[08:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, and flash works fine?
[08:25] <l815> let me check to make sure
[08:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> k
[08:26] <l815> yeah working fine
[08:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, did u kill firefox and reopen it after we corrected java?
[08:27] <l815> yeah i did that
[08:27] <l815> a couple of times, even tried installing java again from the plugins list it gives but says it's already installed
[08:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> how about enable java form edit/preferences?
[08:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, in ff
[08:29] <l815> it's enabled
[08:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, ok..
[08:29] <l815> what if i reinstall java again? with that fix in place
[08:30] <l815> *workaround
[08:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> l815, no, that wont probly
[08:30] <l815> ok
[08:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok ,try this
[08:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> a sec
[08:31] <l815> okay
[08:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sudo -ln s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/* /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/plugins
[08:32] <l815> sudo error saying to use single character option
[08:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/* /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/plugins
[08:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sorry, typo
[08:33] <l815> awesome it works
[08:33] <l815> thanks a lot :D
[08:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> java?
[08:33] <l815> yeah
[08:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> u sure?
[08:34] <l815> just tried a webpage with it and it works
[08:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> cool
[08:34] <l815> thanks again.. so relieved :)
[08:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> np
[08:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> :)
[08:34] <l815> is so much calmer in here compared to #ubuntu haha
[08:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[08:35] <blackest> hi getting some major teething problems with xubuntu hardy
[08:36] <blackest> sudo unable to resolve host eee-pc (laptop name is eee-pc)
[08:37] <blackest> older gutsy kernel gives me a working network
[09:36] <l815> how can i install netbeans c++ through terminal?
[09:42] <pushax> l815: does sudo apt-get install netbeans  ...work?
[09:42] <l815> pushax, yeah but it's java only version
[09:42] <pushax> hmmm is there a common version?   like netbeans-common
[09:43] <l815> not sure, let me check
[09:43] <l815> the ones i get in synaptic are java ones
[09:44] <pushax> look in adept , netbeans does say it's for multiplatform.. ide.
[09:45] <l815> it's okay for now, i'll use geany for the time being. thanks though
[10:11] <mattik> Hello what means these 2 rows after clean install and upgrade
[10:11] <mattik> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[10:11] <mattik> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[10:11] <mattik> I got this lines after apt-get upgrade
[10:12] <mattik> I'm using Ubuntu Hardy Alpha 6
[10:13] <pvandewyngaerde> ldconfig (8)         - configure dynamic linker run-time bindings
[10:13] <TheInfinity> mattik: you have this lines since several ubuntu versions ;)
[10:15] <mattik> ok, it's not problem then. I wonder why my login account is locked after installing ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-kde4-desktop. Because of this I now try clean install
[10:17] <mattik> it has happened after apt-get install or apt-get upgrade. It said about .Iceauthority
[10:18] <mattik> and changing loginmanager from gdm to kdm
[10:19] <pvandewyngaerde> try renaming that file
[10:21] <mattik> ok, I try now install other desktops. I have tried delete file and change owner from root to mattik. One time it worked when I changed owner, but not second time
[10:22] <mattik> I try now with gdm
[10:27] <pvandewyngaerde> i remember having problems with sessions,    as root i just typed startx then
[10:28] <pushax> hola:  do the process without the cam plugged in.  also once all done do a "#discover --enable--all"
[10:29] <pushax> posted wrong area ... sorry
[10:31] <gordonjcp> one thing I've noticed since upgrading to Hardy is that my disk seems a lot "busier"
[10:31] <gordonjcp> it's always rattling away
[10:31] <gordonjcp> is there anything introduced in Hardy that might cause this?
[10:32] <gordonjcp> ps aux doesn't show up any likely-looking culprits
[10:42] <pushax> gordonjcp: not on mine.
[10:43] <gordonjcp> hrm
[10:43] <pushax> gordonjcp: you got sendmail relaying or something?
[10:45] <gordonjcp> nope
[10:45] <gordonjcp> no network traffic at all
[10:45] <gordonjcp> well, not *no* network traffic, but no unexpected traffic
[10:52] <h3sp4wn> gordonjcp: trackerd
[10:53] <h3sp4wn> or maybe evolution-data-server
[10:53] <gordonjcp> h3sp4wn: both good answers
[10:53] <gordonjcp> thanks, I'll look into that
[10:53] <gordonjcp> it's shut up for now
[10:53] <gordonjcp> you know, now that I actually start looking into the problem, of *course* it's going to go away
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> Certainly with trackerd it will
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> as its supposed to only happen when there is no load
[10:54] <ania> hi, I got a problem with my dell inspiron 1525 (sigmatel soundchip)... sound does not work in 8.04.
[10:54] <ania> according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/186940
[10:54] <ania> alsa 1.0.16 fixes the problem
[10:54] <gordonjcp> h3sp4wn: hm, there's a light load, a certain amount of compiling
[10:55] <ania> I'm running an up to date 8.04 system.. but my alsactl says 1.0.15
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> !info alsa-source
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> Version: 1.0.16-0ubuntu4
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> build that with m-a (module-assistant)
[10:57] <aLeSD> hi all
[10:57] <aLeSD> someone could suggest me a substitute to amarok , please ?
[10:57] <gordonjcp> rhythmbox
[10:57] <ania> aLeSD: listen
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> aLeSD: There is not one (many poor slow imitations )
[10:58] <gordonjcp> aLeSD: for the low-tech approach, "for i in /home/mp3s/; do mplayer $i; done"
[10:59] <aLeSD> :)
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> rhythmbox trys to copy itunes
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> banshee / listen / exaile try and fail to copy amarok
[11:00] <aLeSD> lol
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> One of the main reasons amarok is so good (especially under load) is the playback goes in a seperate thread
[11:01] <mesilliac> I tried all the gtk+ music apps that try to copy amarok... and ended up moving back to amarok :S
[11:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> exaile is a good "copy of amarok"
[11:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i dont see y it's failed
[11:01] <mesilliac> rhythmbox is a nice player, but it's not amarok
[11:02] <ania> i dont like rythmbox... you cant drag and drop audio files into the playlist... which is bad for an audio player i think
[11:03] <mesilliac> you can't?
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> [Hardy]TuTUXG: tied to X graphics updates - skips under high load - that is an absolute basic thing
[11:03] <mesilliac> wow you're right. how annoying!
[11:03] <ania> no.. you can only play files that reside in your archive
[11:03] <ania> thats totally stupid
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> I only use amarok
[11:04] <mesilliac> good thing I moved back to amarok >.>
[11:04] <ania> dont know if itunes is that restrictive too
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> gstreamer at least for playing mp3's is alot better with the fluendo mp3 decoder
[11:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> h3sp4wn, if u think amarok is that great player, it's ur thing
[11:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no need to bs other players here
[11:05] <ania> listen is the "best" amarok-like player for gnome
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> (I guess all their other codecs are of similar quality - so if you pay for them)
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> [Hardy]TuTUXG: The argument is purely technical see 11:03
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> generate high load - make -j 32 or whatver
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> amarok won't skip
[11:06] <mattik> I'll try now log in kubuntu and KDE4. Let's see how it works
[11:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> h3sp4wn, im not talking technical
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Well also practically - music skipping irritates me (I guess it does everyone perhaps incorrectly)
[11:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> h3sp4wn, i dont have that problem
[11:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i use exaile
[11:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so i guess u couldn't just simply blame exaile
[11:08] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that's unfair
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> try it when encoding a video using all cores
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> that is a more practical example if you don't compile lots of stuff
[11:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> h3sp4wn, i dont do encoding video
[11:09] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so that still doesnt effect me
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> So you are more bothered about what it looks like than anything else
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> Why didn't you just say so ?
[11:18] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. I lost "bash_completion" some how. It worked for a bit, then after the last few reboots I've found it doesn't work anymore. I went into /etc/bash.bashrc and made sure the portion about bash_complete was uncommented, and it worked for a bit, and now it isn't again .. help? (I use CLI quite a bit, and it's a PAIN w/out it)
[11:18] <h3sp4wn> use zsh
[11:19] <NineTeen67Comet> zsh? .. Never played with that before; bash is about all I've played with (outside of my MacBook's term)
[11:20] <NineTeen67Comet> I'm aptitude installing it now .. anything extra I need to add to it if I'm gonna play with it? .. and can Iaccess it via xterm, gnome-term etc?
[11:21]  * NineTeen67Comet in zsh setup now .. so far so nice ..
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> The completion is much nicer
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> If you want to change your default shell you can use vipw or chsh
[11:24] <NineTeen67Comet> h3sp4wn: Haya, I like this .. how to I make it the default with gnome-terminal?
[11:24]  * NineTeen67Comet wonders off to settings to check it out .
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> NineTeen67Comet: just - chsh
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> http://grml.org/zsh/zsh-lovers.html
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> (the more you get into it the more you will see why)
[11:25] <NineTeen67Comet> chsh? .. This another term?
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> stands for chandge shell
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> you just run it at the termin
[11:25] <NineTeen67Comet> aha'n'k
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> but probably the bash-completion package has become uninstalled
[11:27] <NineTeen67Comet> I checked it, and it is still there .. I don't know .. I've played with it, but I've been working on my wifes notebook most of today (her's was fine other than the new kernel didn't enjoy her ipw2200 wifi card) ..
[11:27] <NineTeen67Comet> zit /bin/zsh?
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> yep
[11:28] <[diablo]> good afternoon #ubuntu+1
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> from the above webpage you probably want at least the use cache option for the completion
[11:28] <NineTeen67Comet> That's what I thought .. I did chsh and changed it to /bin/zsh .. but it still looks like bash is running the show (restarted gnome-term)
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> NineTeen67Comet: You have to log out and back in
[11:28] <NineTeen67Comet> aha'nk .. later then I am not in the mood to restart X right now .. lol
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> getent passwd `whoami`
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> should have zsh in there
[11:29] <[diablo]> guys, I've got a Samsung R20 laptop with 8.04 on. When I put acpi=off on the grub boot line, the laptop works fine, but the mad-wifi atheros driver does not work
[11:29] <ania> hmpf... I hate broken sound-drivers  :(
[11:29]  * NineTeen67Comet ditto's ania
[11:29] <NineTeen67Comet> bbiab ..
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> ania: I used to but 4front seem to keep them pretty good for me
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> The integration isn't there with alsa but they work right
[11:31] <ania> I'm affected by this bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell/+bug/193840
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> Dell supports ubuntu right can they not fix it ?
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> (You bought a dell running ubuntu to start with ?)
[11:31] <ania> right... but its shipped with 7.10 ^^
[11:32] <awen_> anyone here on kubuntu hardy/kde3? ... can you right-click on the skim-icon and choose configure? (for me skim kind-of crashes, and reappears with the "old" icon)
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> ania: Ah I guessed they would support it like Sun does for its hardware
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> Support for one specific of a distro is not very good
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> ania: did you try building alsa-source
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> (it has alsa-driver 1.0.16)
[11:42] <Nubae> I saw alpha6 is out now, if I do apt-get update and then upgrade from alpha5 it should be the same as installing alpha 6 right?
[11:42] <ania> h3sp4wn: Iinstalled alsa-driver
[11:43] <ania> h3sp4wn: is there a howto for replacing the drivers that came with the kernel package?
[11:44] <NineTeen67Comet> h3sp4wn: whoop .. zsh is pretty nice stuff .. BUT .. what's up with SCIM? Every time hit two keys it comes up and changes to Arabic or something, and if I've got Shift held down the space bar doesn't work .. help? Can I remove scim?
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> NineTeen67Comet: No idea about scim somehow I don't seem to have it
[11:45] <NineTeen67Comet> It is aweful if you do you would know .. it will not go away! lol
[11:45] <ania> NineTeen67Comet: I think I deactivated it using the preferences
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> sudo aptitude purge scim~i
[11:45] <NineTeen67Comet> I right click "Exit" .. the icon goes away and is immediatly replaced with another ..
[11:45] <ania> Panel > GTK > ToolBar > Show > Never
[11:46] <Nubae> and... in alpha6, is it now totally migrated to gvfs?
[11:46] <Nubae> I had a problem in alpha5, where if someone put in a cdrom or other media, it would pop up on everyone's desktop
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> ania: It does when you install the generated dev
[11:46] <h3sp4wn> deb
[11:46] <awen_> NineTeen67Comet: i hear that you have the same problem as me
[11:47] <NineTeen67Comet> I've got alpha 5 or 6 on here I can't remember .. might be 5 and my wife has 6 on her notbook... they are both super updated ..
[11:47] <NineTeen67Comet> awen_: the bash_completion issue, the shift and no space issue or the SCIM popping up constantly issue? lol
[11:47] <awen_> NineTeen67Comet: hehe... the skim issue
[11:47] <NineTeen67Comet> aha .. I'm running the command from h3sp4wn .. seeing if that works ..
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> I just purged it just now and ubuntu-desktop wasn't removed
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> (That presumes I actually still have it installed)
[11:48] <awen_> NineTeen67Comet: seems skim has gone broken last time i updated... was going to look at posting a bug report
[11:48] <ania> h3sp4wn: ok, but how to compile/generate the sound driver deb? using module-assistant?
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> which I don't
[11:49] <ania> cool... deinstalled scim without removing ubuntu-desktop ^^
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> I have ubuntustudio-desktop (which fortunately doesn't depend on scim)
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> Its a recommend so makes sense
[11:49] <NineTeen67Comet> Wish I could toss Evolution if it didn't take so many other things with it ..
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> There is equivs but I dunno whether its worth the effort on an unstable branch
[11:51] <NineTeen67Comet> off to logout/in and see if SCIM (SCUM) has left the building ..
[11:54] <setuid> RAOF, Well, the partitioning seemed to work, after some fits and starts, but there are a ton of corrupt packages on the i386 DVD iso image (md5sums match), so I guess upstream is putting out corrupt .iso images on cdimage.
[11:54] <setuid> So I'm dead in the water there
[11:59] <bardyr> Hey, how can i set a LVM volume to use stripping?
[11:59] <bardyr> or group
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> Did you read the lvm2 howto on LDP
[12:00] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, nope, looking into it now
[12:00] <ania> yes! sound working with alsa-source!
[12:00] <ania> thanks h3sp4wn!
[12:02] <chrisbudden14> anyone able to assist me with compiz not working in hardy
[12:02] <awen_> NineTeen67Comet: bug 200133
[12:02] <chrisbudden14> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58980/
[12:08] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, i cant seem to find how i can change the mapping mode on a volume to striping in the howto in LDP
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: You want to do it without recreating ?
[12:09] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, yea
[12:09] <h3sp4wn> Dunno if you can
[12:10] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: personally I would go for the latest version of OpenSolaris (with zfs) and Ubuntu under xen
[12:11] <h3sp4wn> lvm is archaic in comparison
[12:11] <amikrop> Greetings. How can I minimize Wesnoth?
[12:18] <Nubae> can wine-doors be used from the command line?
[12:18] <Nubae> ie, no gui interface
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> wine-doors?
[12:22] <Nubae> installs a variety of windows apps using wine easily
[12:22] <Dekans> hello all
[12:22] <Nubae> media player, quicktime, etc
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> Nubae,  never heard of it..  Dont think id ever want it. :)
[12:23] <Dekans> is there someone else having troubles with kdm on hardy ?
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> Dekans,  not here.. but i have it autologin. :) so heck - i may be using gdm now. Not sure what one i got going on.
[12:24] <Nubae> it is similar to crossover I believe, just a package manager for wine
[12:24] <Nubae> but I wanna use it from command line as I'm in a chroot
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> you could always do 'wine whatever.exe' :)  dependong on where it has stuff insgtalled.
[12:25] <Nubae> I'm using kdm on kde4, and that doesnt have any problems
[12:25] <Dekans> first login works, but if i log out i get a black screen
[12:25] <Nubae> I'm trying to make my life easeir, not more difficult
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> Dekans,  let me guess... ATI card?
[12:25] <Dekans> no nvidia
[12:26] <Dekans> on hardy 64
[12:26] <Nubae> new nvida card?
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> Dekans,  odd. :) i had a similer issue once. i set kdm/gdm to always restart the X server, and that fixed it.. ages ago.
[12:26] <Dekans> no, geforce 4 MX
[12:27] <Dekans> if i manually restart X, I have the same issue
[12:27] <Nubae> hmm, i had to install new drivers for my nvidia, but its a 8800
[12:29] <Dekans> it may not be kdm itself
[12:29] <Dekans> with kdm-kde4 I have exactly the same issue
[12:31] <Nubae> it is pretty once it works though
[12:31] <Nubae> finally blows gnome away
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> Dekans,  try not using kdm/gdm at all and just use 'startx' see if it still affexts things.
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> I had a similer issue. and had to manually edit the gdm/kdm config files to  'always restart x server' was the comment above the setting. I recall.
[12:40] <Dekans> Dr_Willis: on startup it works fine, i can connect, but it's when I log out that i have the issue so i don't see why use startx
[12:40] <Dekans> do you remember where is the kdm conf file ?
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> Dekans,  i had EXACTLY the same problem. If i used 'startx' it would work properly however.
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> whichis why i suggested it as troubleshooting
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> locate kdmrc
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> :)  i think is the name
[12:41] <Dekans> ok
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[12:41] <Dekans> thanks
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> # Restart instead of resetting the local X-server after session exit
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> #TerminateServer=true
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> Theres a lot of neat settings in there. :)
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> Cool. A setting to set what users dont need  a password to login.
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> someomne was asking about that - just the other day
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. what was this task that spawned then vanished.. the taskbar said 'rebuilding http cache....' or similer. real fast. :)
[13:06] <ryanakca> Can someone help me figure out why Hardy doesn't recognize my CD/DVD drive? see output of cdrecord -scanbus  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58993/
[13:09] <Nubae> where does one install a gtk theme to, so its available to all users?
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[13:09] <Nubae> is is /usr/share/gdm/themes?
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> find the name of a theme. and use the locate command to find wher its at. :)
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> gdm themes are system wide anyway.  users dont install those.
[13:10] <Nubae> I'd like it to be for the desktop too, though not just gdm
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> With a lot of the gnome theme tools, you can drag/drop the theme to the tool and it will install them to the proper place. Not sure if gdm does that.
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> a gdm theme is not the same as a gtk theme.
[13:10] <Nubae> yeah gdm, is the login manager
[13:10] <Nubae> so gtk should take care of the whole desktop?
[13:11] <Nubae> but one sets the gtk theme from gdm.conf right?
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> gtk is the 'widgets' I think technicially.
[13:11] <h3sp4wn> no from .gtk-2.0rc
[13:11] <Nubae> system wide though
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> what is that name of the tool that grabs themes and stuff from gnome-look.org, i always forget its name. :)
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> !find art-manager
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> Don't see the point in running a theme manager when its only needed to be done so rarely
[13:12] <Nubae> Ive got this in my gdm.conf: GtkTheme=
[13:12] <ubotu> Package/file art-manager does not exist in hardy
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> !find gnome-art
[13:12] <ubotu> Found: gnome-art
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> Just put the gtk-2.0rc into /etc/skel
[13:12] <h3sp4wn> then people get it by default that is system wide enough for me
[13:13] <Nubae> yeah, true I can play with skel
[13:13] <Nubae> they are terminal clients though
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> hmm /etc/skel wont affect  gdm.. or did i miss somthing here..
[13:13] <h3sp4wn> its for the gtk theme
[13:13] <Nubae> we're talking about gtk now
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> Im thinking 2 different things got asked. :) heh heh
[13:13] <Nubae> gdm themes is under /usr/share/gdm/themes
[13:14] <Nubae> yeah they did
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> Off to see whats new with gnome-art   such a neat tool.. too bad it dont work better.
[13:14] <h3sp4wn> More interesting is how you are running the clients ?
[13:14] <h3sp4wn> root on nfs or root in a ramdisk
[13:14] <Nubae> low fat clients
[13:14] <Nubae> nbd
[13:14] <Nubae> via ltsp
[13:14] <Nubae> well, some are true thin clients, some are low fat
[13:15] <Nubae> and I'm working on the low fat clients since more customisation is possible
[13:15] <Nubae> so root in a ram disk would be the answer
[13:16] <h3sp4wn> I did that once used uclibc though
[13:16] <h3sp4wn> and busybox and X
[13:16] <lime4x4> any good guides for getting flash to work in hardy 64 bit?
[13:17] <h3sp4wn> Just install the package
[13:17] <ryanakca> !flash64 | lime4x4
[13:17] <ubotu> lime4x4: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[13:17] <Nubae> well, it depends, its doesnt always work properly (flash)
[13:18] <Nubae> like sound on youtube for thin clients, but thats a very specific example
[13:18] <Nubae> I'd recommend gnash instead
[13:18] <lime4x4> i tried gnash that didn't work either
[13:19] <Nubae> works great for me, make sure you dont have plugins installed on firefox though
[13:22] <h3sp4wn> I just use firefox32
[13:22] <h3sp4wn> (2.0.12 mozilla binaries - its more of a pita than it should be though - so easy on anything other than ubuntu/debian
[13:24] <Nubae> yeah nspluginwrapper unfortunately the best solution, but then y have 64bit in the first place
[13:24] <Nubae> firefox is one of the few apps that actually takes advantage of 64 bit commands
[13:25] <lime4x4> i guess i'll go that route since everything else i tried for firefox in 64 bit doesn't work
[13:27] <h3sp4wn> firefox is junk
[13:27] <Nubae> so if I create .themes, .icons in /etc/skel and copy chosen themes and icons in there that should work right?
[13:27] <h3sp4wn> yep
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> for newly made users.. right. ?
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> not old users.
[13:28] <h3sp4wn> you can cp them into all the old users if you want pretty simply
[13:29] <blackest> small problem my xorg.conf has no screen resolutions how do i get them if there is no entry for screen stuff
[13:29] <Nubae> well, yeah, could make a little script
[13:30] <Nubae> but this is just for my low fat clients
[13:30] <Nubae> I dont want it for the thin clients, it'll probably kill them
[13:30] <Nubae> there is a global /etc/skel, and one in the low fat chroot
[13:30] <Nubae> u think one will override the other?
[13:30] <Nubae> my /home is nfs mounted
[13:31] <h3sp4wn> I dunno I can use nx from a palm and its ok
[13:31] <h3sp4wn> dunno what sort of specs your thin clients are but a palm xscale emulating a 68k is fast with nx
[13:34] <h3sp4wn> as was citrix when I used it years ago
[13:34] <Nubae> I'm running ltsp on a variety of computers throughout the school
[13:35] <Nubae> so really depends... old infrastructure, except for some really new core 2 duos, which I've installed the low fat on so it takes advantage of local resources
[13:35] <Dekans> thanks Dr_Willis but i didn't have the option #TerminateServer=true
[13:35] <h3sp4wn> All the stuff at mine runs RHEL3 or centos 4
[13:35] <Dekans> I have no comment at all in this config file
[13:36] <h3sp4wn> (Or windows but I don't use those ones )
[13:36] <Dekans> I try tu put it and i'll see the result :)
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> Dekans,  odd.  I just looked in the default kdmrc config file on this install. an it was mentioned.
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> or was i looking on the other machine.. :)
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> i have that line in my gutsy, and hardy  kdmrc file.
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> grep TerminateServer /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[13:39] <Dekans> I added it, it the only occurence i get
[13:39] <Dekans> let's try o/
[13:46] <Dekans> no success :(
[13:48] <blackest> ok so someone got rid of the video related stuff out of xorg so how am i suppossed to set the frickin screen resolution
[13:48] <mohbana> do you guys have an idea what ubuntu does to its font, they render quiet nicely
[13:53] <DrHalan> what means Failed to lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock?
[13:54] <h3sp4wn> it means a lock file is already present
[13:54] <Nubae> drharlan, u have synaptic or apt-get already running
[13:54] <Nubae> cant do 2 at once
[13:54] <DrHalan> thats what i thought
[13:54] <DrHalan> but i dont
[13:54] <h3sp4wn> or something crashed
[13:54] <h3sp4wn> !test
[13:55] <h3sp4wn> still broken :/
[13:55] <stdin> hold on
[13:55] <h3sp4wn> there is an fuser command to fix it but I forget what it is
[13:55] <stdin> !aptfix
[13:55] <ubotwo> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[13:56] <h3sp4wn> I usually just use rm but I am told fuser is safer
[13:58] <DrHalan> okay now it works .d
[13:58] <DrHalan> thanks guys
[13:59] <kfbishop> greetings... Where can I find the fixed network manager. Cant find it anywhere.  Also, I assume that this is the fix to 0.6.6 that breaks wireless?
[13:59] <Nubae> god, how do I properly install the ati radeon driver, there's like 10 different howtos
[14:00] <Nubae> all with different instructions
[14:00] <Nubae> kfbishop, I almost always stick to the commandline for the network manager, basically edit /etc/network/interfaces
[14:01] <Dr_Willis> Ive had good luck with the resticted-manager tool for my older ati card.
[14:01] <kfbishop> nubae: thx.. but i thought the whole point was to keep the interfaces file (basically) empty
[14:02] <kfbishop> all i have there is 'lo'
[14:02] <Nubae> and then /etc/init.d/networking restart
[14:02] <Nubae> that might be the idea, but network manager sucks
[14:02] <Nubae> especially with wireless
[14:03] <mohbana> do you guys have an idea what ubuntu does to its font, they render quiet nicely
[14:03] <Nubae> I need a command line way of installing the radeon though... its in chroot, cant install via guis
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Never noticed them doin anything special mohbana  - perhaps they have anti-aliasing enabled by default. and got some nicer fonts installed by default
[14:04] <Nubae> ubuntu is its own font I believe
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Nubae,  I dont know the name of the ati packages any more. thers just one or 2 packages you install if i recall.
[14:04] <Nubae> at least the logo is
[14:05] <Nubae> I've installed restricted and xorg-driver-radeonhd
[14:05] <Nubae> that should do it right?
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> !find ati
[14:05] <ubotwo> Found: binutils-static, foomatic-db, foomatic-db-engine, foomatic-db-gutenprint, foomatic-db-hpijs (and 147 others)
[14:05] <Nubae> heh
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> I dont rember. :)
[14:05] <Nubae> yeah, thats what I get doing apt-cache search ati
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> id chaeck the !ati factoid page
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> !ati
[14:06] <ubotwo> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[14:06] <Nubae> 147 packages
[14:06] <Nubae> yeah that how to is ancient
[14:06] <ubotu> Found: binutils-static, foomatic-db, foomatic-db-engine, foomatic-db-gutenprint, foomatic-db-hpijs (and 240 others)
[14:06] <Nubae> I have pretty new radeon x1450 mobilitiy cards
[14:07] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> Well I got no idea then. :) my only ati card is a 8600 I  think. :)
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI  Is all i know on the topic
[14:08] <Nubae> gonna reboot, amd has some unofficial wikis, too, gonna check those since they are newer
[14:18] <DrHala1> hey you guys my usb memory sticks dont get recocnized
[14:26] <lime4x4> anyone using bluetooth?
[14:30] <DrHala1> hhmmm i installed the nvidia drivers manually now when i wanna set the desktop settings from normal to extra it wants me to install the package
[14:31] <onlivecd> how do i upgrade from 7.10  to 8.04
[14:32] <onlivecd> nvm
[14:32] <onlivecd> got it
[14:42] <spiderfire> hi
[14:43] <spiderfire> anyone find firefox slow and unresponsive?
[14:45] <cyphase> is anyone able to use displayconfig-gtk in Hardy? i'm running it in a VM, but it doesn't even show any monitors "connected"
[14:46] <lime4x4> anyone else having issues with bluetooth disconnecting when gnome screen saver activates?
[14:53] <WorkingOnWis1> I have an AMD Turion x2 in my laptop, but cat /proc/*cpu* only reports one cpu. I had Hardy 64 bit installed, and had both cores. I installed Hardy 32 bit on Thursday, to replace 64 bit, and now only have one core. Ideas?
[14:54] <WorkingOnWis1> the  2.6.24-11-386 kernel cant do SMP can it?
[14:56] <catweazle> 2.6.24-11-386 can do SMP
[14:58] <lime4x4> why didn't u use the generic version?
[14:59] <WorkingOnWis1> um...it is what was installed....
[15:00] <WorkingOnWis1> i'm taking a performance hit with the  2.6.24-11-386 kernel huh?
[15:00] <lime4x4> odd i thought generic was the standard instll it was for my core 2 duo
[15:00] <Itaku> !bluetooth
[15:00] <ubotwo> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[15:00] <Itaku> wrong chan
[15:00] <Itaku> oh
[15:03] <WorkingOnWis1> lime4x4: me too.. I started looking into it when I couldnt get the second graph in System Monitor
[15:05] <blackest> any idea how to set a 800x480 screen mode in hardy now its ignored in xorg.conf
[15:08] <lime4x4> well u could try installing it thru synaptic
[15:10] <IceWewe> hello, I'm having a bit of trouble getting a dual Xeon workstation to scale the CPUs. I'm running Mythbuntu 8.04 Beta 3.
[15:13] <kfbishop> Anyone else having issues with Thunderbird not "displaying"?   It starts, i get a beep (new mail), and the toaster pops up showing new messages in inbox, but no main screen.
[15:15] <kfbishop> started a few days ago, presumably from an update, but have not verified.
[15:17] <kfbishop> tried new profile too. same results.
[15:44] <akumar> anyone get beryl working on it?
[15:44] <akumar> 8.04
[15:44] <akumar> if they did how
[15:45] <akumar> ?
[15:45] <_dan_> there is no beyl anymore, its called compiz-fusion now and should work out of the box
[15:45] <akumar> like the cube and stuff?
[15:45] <_dan_> yes
[15:46] <akumar> oh
[15:46] <akumar> where is it
[15:47] <akumar> ?
[15:47] <_dan_> u can enable it under appearances
[15:47] <akumar> yea it was enabled there
[15:47] <akumar> but no cube:-(
[15:47] <akumar> its enabled
[15:47] <_dan_> start up ccsm then and enable cube plugin
[15:48] <akumar> ccsm?
[15:48] <_dan_> compizconfig settings manager
[15:48] <akumar> ah
[15:48] <akumar> so how do i start it up
[15:48] <akumar> (sorry new with compiz n stuff)
[15:49] <_dan_> type "ccsm"
[15:49] <_dan_> if not installed do apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[15:49] <akumar> bash: cssm: command not found
[15:49] <_dan_> i am on 7.10 here so  dot know if the package in hardy is called the same, but i assume it is
[15:50] <akumar> anand@anand-desktop:~$ apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[15:50] <akumar> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[15:50] <akumar> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[15:50] <Hewus> sudo
[15:50] <_dan_> sudo
[15:50] <_dan_> or su to root
[15:50] <_dan_> but you should really know that when u using a alpha version of ubuntu :)
[15:50] <Hewus> and yes ccsm is on hardy
[15:51] <akumar> haha
[15:51] <akumar> oops:-D
[15:51] <akumar> it installed
[15:51] <akumar> sweet
[15:51] <akumar> thanks
[15:51] <akumar> brb
[15:52] <akumar> ah damn how do you get xchat to connect to mor then one channel?
[15:52] <bazhang> akumar: type /j #channel
[15:52] <_dan_> just type /join #channame
[15:53] <akumar> thats the long way
[15:53] <akumar> i want xchat to connect to all the channels when i hit connect:-D
[15:53] <bazhang> check the settings akumar
[15:54] <akumar> yea
[15:54] <akumar> do i seperate by comas
[15:54] <akumar> or colons
[15:54] <_dan_> its explained in tooltip
[15:54] <_dan_> i think u can manage :)
[15:56] <akumar> wait i got it
[15:57] <akumar> woot
[15:57] <akumar> :-D
[15:58] <akumar> now how do i get compiz to get somewat of a vista lool:-D
[15:58] <akumar> **look
[15:58] <bazhang> gnome-look.org akumar (if you must)
[15:59] <bazhang> oh wait compiz?
[15:59] <bazhang> www.screenlets.org akumar
[15:59] <akumar> ah
[15:59] <akumar> ill check it out
[16:01] <akumar> hmm
[16:01] <akumar> bazhang, you use it?
[16:02] <akumar> there is only gutsy version
[16:02] <akumar> will i towkr with heron
[16:02] <bazhang> akumar: just wait there will be a hardy version ;]
[16:02] <bazhang> !info screenlets hardy
[16:02] <ubotwo> Package screenlets does not exist in gutsy
[16:02]  * akumar doesnt like waiting:-)
[16:02] <bazhang> ;[
[16:02] <LjL> that's broken bazhang
[16:03] <bazhang> LjL: sorry
[16:04] <akumar> screenlet isntalled
[16:04] <akumar> woot
[16:04] <akumar> now how do i get it to do vista crap
[16:07] <akumar> ?
[16:08] <bazhang> http://www.screenlets.org/index.php/FAQ
[16:20] <oliver_g_> hi
[16:20] <oliver_g_> anyone know if there's already a bug report for the broken time settings button?
[16:20] <oliver_g_> I didn't find a report so far, but that seems unlikely...
[16:46] <lime4x4> where would i start looking as to why bluetooth disconnects when screen saver is activated?
[16:56] <andrew__> how do i know what programs are using a volume so i can unmount it?
[16:56] <nemo> fuser ?
[16:57] <crimsun> or lsof.
[16:57] <nemo> that too :)
[18:31] <Satyriasis> how can i turn of scim?
[18:31] <Satyriasis> to fix the prob, can i just install the old xrandr package?
[18:44] <Wobbo> how do i fix the .dmrc rights problem? (my internet is broken so i am using umts atm, so can't google to much)
[18:52] <muuhhu> ext3 sucks, we need zfs, the holy grail of filesystems
[18:52] <shenshei_> someone know why my network configuration is cleared every 5 minutes ? and then I lost my internet connection
[18:53] <h3sp4wn> muuhhu: You can have it just run Linux only from in a xen
[18:53] <crimsun> shenshei_: which wifi hardware?
[18:54] <shenshei_> it's wired hardware
[18:55] <Yahooadam> adam@hostname:~/xmltv$ dpkg -l *xmltv
[18:55] <Yahooadam> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[18:55] <Yahooadam> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[18:55] <Yahooadam> adam@DataServer1:~/xmltv$ sudo dpkg -P xmltv  - dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove xmltv which isn't installed.
[18:55] <shenshei_> i just lost the connection
[18:55] <shenshei_> each time i must redo a ifconfig with a route
[19:04] <Darkmystere> Er. i guess the update doesnt like not being watched..
[19:05] <Darkmystere> i stoped watching it for 16hrs and it got stuck in the 865's...
[19:08] <mellery_> How can I troubleshoot no sound with pulseaudio and static sound with alsa?
[19:08] <mellery_> OSS sound works fine
[19:09] <Darkmystere> mellery, would you happen to have a Toshiba Labtop with digital sound...?
[19:09] <wxPython> hello
[19:09] <Yahooadam> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages
[19:10] <wxPython> anyone on Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 6?
[19:10] <mellery_> Darkmystere: no a dell latitude d820, alsa sound previously worked with gutsy
[19:10] <Bobbe> is anyone having the same problem I have with networking?
[19:10] <Bobbe> have to re-configure it every time I re-boot
[19:10] <wxPython> there's this nasty bug in GNOME Panel
[19:11] <Bobbe> what bug?
[19:11] <Darkmystere> Bobbe, Have you tried Wicd?
[19:11] <wxPython> the selection focus is not handled properly
[19:11] <Darkmystere> If it works with hardy..
[19:11] <Darkmystere> Network-Manager isnt recommended. has too many bugs
[19:12] <Bobbe> Darkmystere, don't even know what that is
[19:12] <Bobbe> sudo apt-get install wicd?
[19:12] <wxPython> Bobbe the selection focus is not working properly in GNOME Panel
[19:13] <mellery_> Darkmystere: any ideas on the sound problems?
[19:13] <Darkmystere> Bobbe,search Wicd Download in Ubuntu
[19:13] <wxPython> please visit this link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361
[19:13] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Low,Confirmed]
[19:13] <Darkmystere> Mellery, Err...no idea....
[19:14] <Bobbe> Darkmystere, just did. thanks man
[19:14] <Yahooadam> wxPython - if theres a bug report, what point are you trying to make?
[19:15] <Darkmystere> Bobbe, It even works with WPA :)...you just need the driver i think
[19:15] <wxPython> Yahooadam i am trying to get a gnome-panel developer to fix this veeery old bug
[19:15] <wxPython> and it's nasty too
[19:15] <wxPython> it really needs to be fixed
[19:15] <Darkmystere> wcPython....Wats the bug..
[19:15] <wxPython> i mean come on
[19:16] <Darkmystere> i dont get what you where saying..
[19:16] <wxPython> please visit this link and read: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361
[19:16] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Low,Confirmed]
[19:16] <wxPython> you have pictures of the actual bug
[19:16] <wxPython> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8771276/screenshot-selectionboxbug.png
[19:17] <wxPython> here a System menu was chosen, but the Firefox launch item was selected
[19:17] <wxPython> wtf?
[19:17] <wxPython> this is a nasty bug
[19:17] <wxPython> it's present for ages
[19:18] <zzats> heh. I can reproduce it :L)
[19:18] <wxPython> zzats see?
[19:18] <wxPython> anyone can
[19:19] <wxPython> this bug is so nasty it should have a High importance flag
[19:19] <oxigen> i cant, i dont have that icon there any more...
[19:19] <Yahooadam> oh i know that bug
[19:19] <bobbed_> is it that bad?
[19:19] <bobbed_> like
[19:19] <Yahooadam> its hardly the end of the world though, just doesnt look amazing
[19:19] <bobbed_> a dotted box appearing?
[19:19] <wxPython> there's another picture of this bug
[19:19] <wxPython> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8771769/screenshot2-dottedlines.png
[19:19] <Yahooadam> yes, im pretty sure we know what the bug is
[19:20] <wxPython> the dotted lines around the menu panel
[19:20] <Yahooadam> however, its a LOW importance bug, it doesnt effect the running of the OS, its just a minor aesthetic problem
[19:20] <bobbed_> weird
[19:20] <Darkmystere> ive never had that problem...
[19:20] <bobbed_> in mine the firefox icon get's dotted
[19:20] <bobbed_> like, always
[19:20] <bobbed_> anyway
[19:20] <Darkmystere> LOL are you kidding me
[19:20] <Darkmystere> it does that to any Launcher thats that close to system menu..
[19:21] <wxPython> bobbed_ when you click on a menu panel, the launch item is being selected, right? that is a bug!
[19:21] <Darkmystere> it didt acctually launch firefox tho
[19:21] <bobbed_> but in the screenshot he uploaded the menu itself was dotted around
[19:21] <bobbed_> not the firefox icon
[19:21] <bobbed_> in my box that doesn't happen
[19:21] <jester7> what are the big known bugs in alpha6?  i mean, the dealbreakers?
[19:21] <wxPython> it's a bug people
[19:21] <PC-Ente> huhu will there bee pidgin 2.4 in hardy ?
[19:21] <wxPython> is anyone on Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 6 right now to test if this bug is still present?
[19:22] <Yahooadam> actually, i think its because it was previously selected but you lost focus on it, the dots show that
[19:22] <Bobbe> wxPython, I am
[19:22] <Bobbe> it does
[19:22] <wxPython> :(
[19:22] <Bobbe> my heart weeps
[19:22] <Yahooadam> but, its NOT a MAJOR issue
[19:22] <wxPython> mine too
[19:22] <wxPython> it IS TO ME
[19:22] <Bobbe> i was being ironic wxPython
[19:22] <Yahooadam> well go fix it then
[19:22] <wxPython> i am a perfectionist
[19:22] <wxPython> i can't
[19:22] <Bobbe> good luck having ex
[19:22] <Yahooadam> its all open source, enjoy
[19:22] <Bobbe> anyways
[19:23] <wxPython> i don't have the knowledge to fix it
[19:23] <Bobbe> Darkmystere, is there anything to configure in wicd?
[19:23] <Bobbe> it just works?
[19:23] <Darkmystere> Bobbe, Wat you mean?
[19:23] <Yahooadam> and the developers have bugs that actually impact the OS, they dont have time to waste on tiny bugs like that
[19:23] <Darkmystere> To save settings made to an AP just press connect button
[19:23] <wxPython> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8771276/screenshot-selectionboxbug.png
[19:23] <wxPython> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8771769/screenshot2-dottedlines.png
[19:24] <Darkmystere> and to set Encryption Keys click the Advanced settings lil clickey thing
[19:24] <wxPython> does this look nice to you?
[19:24] <Darkmystere> go down and select  the type and put the key on
[19:24] <wxPython> this is horrible!
[19:24] <Bobbe> Darkmystere, wicd asked to replace NetworkManager with it, so I did
[19:24] <Bobbe> but it just started a daemon
[19:24] <Bobbe> and I couldn't find an app to configure the network
[19:24] <wxPython> where can i get the source code of that menu panel?
[19:24] <Yahooadam> jeez, u dont get it, aesthetic bugs are the last to get fixed, things that effect performance/stability/reliablity are much MUCH more important
[19:24] <Bobbe> though it worked out of the box
[19:24] <wxPython> i wanna look at the source
[19:25] <Darkmystere> Bobbe, Thats good
[19:25] <wxPython> please give me the link to the gnome-panel source code
[19:25] <Darkmystere> Bobbe, Go to system->Prefrences->sessions
[19:26] <Bobbe> Network Manager's still there
[19:26] <jester7> wxPython: you sure it's not a theme bug?  have you tried anything other than the default theme?
[19:26] <Darkmystere> Add something called Wicd the command is /opt/wicd/tray.py
[19:26] <Bobbe> jester7, i'm in a different theme
[19:26] <bardyr> How can i set fish as my default shell?
[19:26] <jester7> Bobbe: ok
[19:26] <Bobbe> still bugged
[19:26] <Darkmystere> so wicd opens at startup Bobbe,
[19:26] <Bobbe> Darkmystere, oh that's the command
[19:26] <Bobbe> =)
[19:26] <Bobbe> ok
[19:26] <oliver_g_> wxPython: you mean the focus rectangle?
[19:27] <Darkmystere> and the Wicd GUI started can be just clicked from the tray icon and it starts
[19:27] <Darkmystere> or go to
[19:27] <Darkmystere> Applications -> Internet -> Wicd
[19:27] <wxPython> jester7 i haven't tried any other theme but you could if you have ubuntu 8.04 alpha 6 installed
[19:27] <Darkmystere> Bobbe, just uncheck the NEtwork-Manager
[19:27] <Bobbe> ok
[19:28] <Bobbe> something weird happening though
[19:28] <Bobbe> the wicd tray thingie asks me to start the daemon
[19:28] <Bobbe> I run the command
[19:28] <Bobbe> it starts the daemon
[19:28] <jester7> wxPython: i don't, i actually came here to see if there were any huge bugs before trying it.  if that's all there is, i'm probably gonna do it
[19:28] <Bobbe> but when I run the tray thingie it says there's no daemon
[19:29] <Bobbe> Darkmystere, you know why that happens?
[19:29] <jester7> oliver_g_: yeah, i'm pretty sure that's what he means
[19:29] <wxPython> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-panel/2.21/
[19:29] <wxPython> is this the source code of the gnome panel?
[19:29] <wxPython> what do i have to download?
[19:29] <Yahooadam> sigh, i installed libc6 from ubuntu hardy on fiesty, now i cant remoeve it revert it
[19:29] <oliver_g_> jester7, wxPython: yes, that rect has irked me too, but it wasn't that important to make a bug report
[19:29] <wxPython>  LATEST-IS-2.21.92     this file?
[19:30] <oliver_g_> wxPython: better use "apt-get source"
[19:30] <h3sp4wn> Yahooadam: Are you surprised ? man dpkg
[19:30] <zzats> can anyone help me create a new mode with xranrd?
[19:30] <wxPython> oliver_g_ i am on Windows ATM
[19:30] <Darkmystere> Bobbe,Did you remove Network-Manager..?
[19:30] <oliver_g_> wxPython: well that's a pity :-)
[19:30] <hexa> Anybody got a Logitech Quickcam working in Hardy so far?
[19:30] <wxPython> hehe
[19:30] <h3sp4wn> Yahooadam: --root=/mnt (use a live cd) and mount the rootfs to /mnt
[19:31] <oliver_g_> wxPython: but I suppose you can also download the source package from packages.ubuntu.com
[19:31] <oliver_g_> wxPython: there you can get the exact source from which the panel was built
[19:31] <wxPython> is gnome-panel written in python?
[19:31] <h3sp4wn> wxPython: I hope not
[19:31] <oliver_g_> unlikely
[19:31] <wxPython> oliver_g_ i speak only python/wxpython
[19:32] <wxPython> i won't be able to fix the bug then
[19:32] <oliver_g_> likely
[19:32] <oliver_g_> :-)
[19:32] <Darkmystere> Bobbe, Did you use the .deb or....The instructions from The site?
[19:32] <wxPython> okay so maybe i'll go to sleep and hopefully in ten years this bug will be fixed
[19:32] <h3sp4wn> One day perhaps I will see the point of OO and use python
[19:32] <oliver_g_> anyway, just for kicks: on http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gnome-panel there are some links to the original source and the Ubuntu additions
[19:33] <Darkmystere> Is there a way to resume  the Upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04?
[19:33] <Darkmystere> and pause..
[19:33] <oliver_g_> h3sp4wn: ah come on, python _is_ nice as complement to C++
[19:33] <oliver_g_> ... wait
[19:33] <oliver_g_> you don't even use OO? no C++?
[19:33] <h3sp4wn> Until that day I will use C and scheme (and try haskell)
[19:33] <oliver_g_> hm, ok
[19:33] <wxPython> oliver_g_ thanks for the link
[19:34] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g_: I don't see what I get with OO I don't get with functional
[19:34] <h3sp4wn> maybe ocaml I don't know
[19:34] <oliver_g_> h3sp4wn: yes, you might be right there... I was just afraid you were _only_ using C :-)
[19:35] <Yahooadam> h3sp4wn - i re-installed libc6 from a .deb package
[19:35] <oliver_g_> so... is there a reason why the "open with" app selection dialog offer the VNC client twice?
[19:35] <Yahooadam> so thats better now, but if i do apt-get -f install it wants to remove 1/2 my system, and dpkg -C isnt giving me any clues as to which packages are broken
[19:36] <Darkmystere> Bobbe,Err, Try uninstalling that and installing this one:http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=194573&package_id=229460&release_id=577210
[19:36] <oliver_g_> what exactly determines which apps are shown in the "open with" dialog?
[19:36] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g_: No idea sometimes its just empty for me sometimes I get gedit
[19:37] <oliver_g_> h3sp4wn: the right-click - open with another app dialog I mean...
[19:37] <wxPython> uhmmm
[19:37] <hexa> how can i set the default soundcard for alsa?
[19:37] <oliver_g_> it always shows lots of apps, but I just had a closer look and saw that one app was duplicate and (at least) one was missing
[19:37] <wxPython> if i fix the bug in gnome-panel... what should i do then?
[19:37] <oliver_g_> wxPython: is there a bug report for the bug?
[19:38] <wxPython> oliver_g_ yes
[19:38] <oliver_g_> wxPython: a bug report is usually a pretty good place to start with...
[19:38] <h3sp4wn> No idea I would want emacs to be the default (except for sound / video files) that doesn't seem to respect alternatives
[19:38] <DanaG> Why is it that downgrading from git compiz-fusion to the packaged version tramples on my preferences?
[19:38] <wxPython> oliver_g_ after i fix the bug, i would love to send the fixed thing back
[19:38] <oliver_g_> wxPython: if you have fixed it, you create a "diff"
[19:38] <oliver_g_> !diff
[19:38] <bardyr> How do i install the latest nvidia driver in a safe way (safe meaning it will work after the next reboot)?
[19:38] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[19:39] <oliver_g_> ok...
[19:39] <Yahooadam> aha, apt-get check is godly :D
[19:39] <h3sp4wn> !downgrade
[19:39] <wxPython> oliver_g_ and how exactly should i upload that diff then?
[19:39] <ubotwo> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[19:39] <oliver_g_> a "diff" is a file containing the differences between your modified source code and the original source code
[19:39] <oliver_g_> wxPython: it's a simple text file
[19:39] <oliver_g_> you can attach it to the bug report
[19:40] <wxPython> yes...
[19:40] <wxPython> but
[19:40] <wxPython> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnome-panel/gnome-panel_2.21.92-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[19:40] <wxPython> how to replace it with this diff?
[19:40] <oliver_g_> you don't
[19:40] <wxPython> uhmmm
[19:41] <wxPython> ??
[19:41] <oliver_g_> you send your diff to the maintainers, for example by attaching it to the bug report, or by sending it to them by maik
[19:41] <oliver_g_> *mail
[19:41] <wxPython> oh
[19:41] <oliver_g_> the maintainers then decide whether to add your changes
[19:41] <wxPython> and they upload it on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnome-panel/gnome-panel_2.21.92-0ubuntu2.diff.gz if they like it or what?
[19:42] <h3sp4wn> use diff -u as a minimum
[19:42] <oliver_g_> essentiallly, yes... they add your changes to that file, and upload the file, and after a while it appears for all of us as update :-)
[19:42] <oliver_g_> btw. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diff for details on diff
[19:42] <wxPython> h3sp4wn diff -u?
[19:42] <wxPython> what does the diff -u mean?
[19:43]  * oliver_g_ wonders if the ubuntu wiki contains a page that explains all this to some complete newbie...
[19:43] <wxPython> but this code is C++ right?
[19:44] <oliver_g_> no, probably C
[19:44] <wxPython> anyway, i can't code in C/C++
[19:44] <wxPython> just in python
[19:44] <wxPython> ah darn
[19:44]  * oliver_g_ plays around with the "open with" dialog and related stuff and wonders why the hell the ubuntu devs didn't decide to spend the 6 months of Hardy development entirely on bugfixing and polishing...
[19:45] <oliver_g_> (not that 6 months would be enough, but it would be a start...)
[19:46] <KriZe> firefox 3 question
[19:46] <oliver_g_> another thing: wasn't there supposed to be a mechanism to automatically find/install applications for unknown files? has anyone ever seen this in action=
[19:46] <oliver_g_> ?
[19:46] <wxPython> oliver_g_
[19:46] <Milos_SD> Does anyone know when will 2.6.24-12 kernel be available for update? I have it in repos, but didn't offer me to do the update
[19:46] <Milos_SD> :)
[19:46] <wxPython> oliver_g_!
[19:46] <oliver_g_> wxPython: yes?
[19:47] <wxPython> how is this dotted box officially named?
[19:47] <oliver_g_> I suppose it's the "focus box" or "focus rectangle"
[19:47] <wxPython> selection box or...??
[19:47] <wxPython> oh
[19:48] <wxPython> oliver_g_ is it possible to disable this focus box in the system?
[19:49] <oliver_g_> yes, it is a somewhat annoying bug... I have now the focus on the "connect to server" icon, and whenever it gets the focus, it brightens... so clicking on the applications menu brightens the connect to server icon - wtf?
[19:49] <wxPython> oliver_g_ yeah
[19:49] <wxPython> that was i trying to tell people
[19:50] <wxPython> it's a visual annoyance leaving an unprofessional impression
[19:50] <oliver_g_> wxPython: I don't think you can disable it completely; but the fix would maybe be that the focus for the panel is always set on some invisible/offscreen element
[19:50] <oliver_g_> yes: it look unprofessional
[19:50] <calc> how do i get rid of a folder in evolution when using imap when it doesn't really exist on the server, deleting it fails
[19:50] <oliver_g_> which makes it fit right into the rest of the show :-)
[19:50] <wxPython> this really is a nasty bug
[19:51] <wxPython> if you click on something, that some thing should be uhmmm focusboxed
[19:51] <wxPython> :)
[19:51] <wxPython> selected i ment
[19:51] <Seeker`> I just did a dist-upgrade, and now gnome setting manager is not working
[19:53] <wxPython> oliver_g_ this only happens for the gnome panel
[19:53] <oliver_g_> yes...
[19:53] <wxPython> hmmm
[19:53] <wxPython> what should we do about it?
[19:53] <wxPython> please say you're with me to fix that bug
[19:54] <oliver_g_> wxPython: do you have the link to the bug report?
[19:54] <wxPython> yes
[19:54] <wxPython> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361
[19:54] <oliver_g_> btw. I can't help you fix it
[19:54] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Low,Confirmed]
[19:54] <wxPython> please contact some one who can
[19:54] <wxPython> this really needs to be fixed
[19:55] <h3sp4wn> obviously people think its only low
[19:55] <wxPython> they are stupid
[19:55] <h3sp4wn> If *needs* fixing it would be high or critical
[19:55] <oliver_g_> well this specific bug report seems to already have really lots of attention (probably more than it deserves)
[19:55] <wxPython> oliver_g_ yes
[19:56] <wxPython> oliver_g_ but still no attention on fixing the bug
[19:56] <wxPython> this bug is nearly 3 years old
[19:56] <wxPython> 3 years!
[19:56] <h3sp4wn> IRQ 19: nobody cared
[19:56] <oliver_g_> it was reported by a "VIP" so to say; it has screenshots, confirmation, reply by ubuntu dev, _and_ an upstream bug
[19:56] <oliver_g_> there's really not much more you can do :-)
[19:57] <wxPython> oliver_g_
[19:57] <h3sp4wn> You can fix it and send a patch depends how much you want it fixed and what you are willing to learn to fix it
[19:57] <oliver_g_> ...
[19:57] <oliver_g_> I would assume that fixing this is difficult...
[19:58] <oliver_g_> probably requires knowledge of how focusing in gnome works
[19:58] <wxPython> if you click on the users scroll-down menu, that draws dotted lines around the menu panel
[19:58] <wxPython> as if being selectedf
[19:58] <h3sp4wn> Can I still use enlightenment as wm in recent gnomes ?
[19:59] <h3sp4wn> (I remember when gnome had e as wm
[19:59] <oliver_g_> see... probably the panel does it _exactly_ right, according to the gnome implementation... only, in this special case, it needs an exception from the usual behavior...
[19:59] <h3sp4wn> sawfish was not so bad metacity is worse)
[19:59] <alex_mayorga> check out the latest comments on bug 197153
[19:59] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 197153 in gnome-control-center "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197153
[20:00] <alex_mayorga> looks like we all should go away and come back on Monday LOI
[20:01] <wxPython> oliver_g_ is it possible to change that dotted box to a nice yellow box for example?
[20:02] <wxPython> can you alter the visual appearance of that focus box?
[20:03] <oliver_g_> hmm...
[20:03] <oliver_g_> anyone here knows where to find a documentation for the ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file?
[20:04] <oliver_g_> there was a way to set some colors and stuff on a per-user and roughly per-application basis...
[20:06] <oliver_g_> alex_mayorga: yes, looks like... just because some weirdos *cough* are in #ubuntu+1 on sunday evening doesn't mean other people are weirdos too :-D
[20:06] <wxPython> oliver_g_ are you on ubuntu 8.04 alpha 6 now?
[20:06] <oliver_g_> wxPython: alpha 5 with all updates, so probably: yes, alpha 6
[20:06] <wxPython> oka<y
[20:06] <wxPython> uhmmm
[20:07] <wxPython> are you using the default theme now?
[20:07] <oliver_g_> yes
[20:08]  * calc found out how to do it, delete random stuff under ~/.evolution
[20:09] <soneil> what's the best way to install alpha6 text-only?  I seem to break every method I try
[20:09] <wxPython> oliver_g_ please change the theme and try to see if the bug is still present
[20:09] <alex_mayorga> oliver_g_, weekend is usually the only time I get to play with the Hardy and I was traingo to do my "5 a day" :)
[20:10] <alex_mayorga> anyone with legacy nvidia laptop cards stuck at 800*600 that can help me out? bug 146706
[20:10] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Gutsy Beta] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[20:10] <oliver_g_> alex_mayorga: same here... weekend is the only time for Hardy testing for me :-) but other ppl spend 60+ hours a week doing this, and probably don't want to spend the last remaining free time on it as well :-D
[20:11] <alex_mayorga> the nvidia driver seem to work OK, but would make my fan run at full speed at all times
[20:11]  * stdin wonders if wxPython actually wanted to get banned
[20:11] <wxPython> oliver_g_ have you changed the theme?
[20:11] <oliver_g_> not yet
[20:11] <wxPython> please do
[20:11] <oliver_g_> please be patient
[20:11] <wxPython> i am eager to see if it's a theme bug after all
[20:11] <wxPython> but it probably isn't
[20:12] <wxPython> where can i get a gnome-panel developer?
[20:12] <oliver_g_> no, comes up for every theme
[20:12] <alex_mayorga> any kind soul that would help me get out of 800*600? :)
[20:12] <wxPython> i wanna force someone to fix this bug
[20:12] <h3sp4wn> wxPython: send $$$
[20:12] <oliver_g_> good ideA
[20:12] <h3sp4wn> ask on the mailing list otherwise you will be ignored
[20:12] <wxPython> did you know that this bug is the only thing that is keeping me away from Ubuntu?
[20:13] <oliver_g_> wxPython: no...
[20:13] <h3sp4wn> I doubt that is an issue to the gnome panel developers
[20:13] <wxPython> oh yes
[20:13] <alex_mayorga> wxPython, too picky maybe?
[20:13] <oliver_g_> is it _that_ bad?
[20:13] <alex_mayorga> :)
[20:13] <wxPython> i really am fucking picky
[20:13] <wxPython> :)
[20:13] <wxPython> it bugs me sooo much
[20:13] <alex_mayorga> wxPython, it would probably be better to work it out upstream
[20:14] <h3sp4wn> irc.gnome.org
[20:14] <tonyyarusso> !ohmy | wxPython
[20:14] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[20:14] <oliver_g_> wxPython: wow... and then you haven't notice any other bug in Ubuntu that keeps you from using it??
[20:14] <wxPython> when this bug is fixed, i'll install it
[20:14] <oliver_g_> seems to be a very selective pickyness...
[20:14] <wxPython> this bug is a visual annoyance
[20:14] <h3sp4wn> probably you never will then bye
[20:14] <wxPython> i hate visual annoyances
[20:14] <h3sp4wn> So buy a mac
[20:14] <alex_mayorga> now imagine being stuck at 800*600 goodness :P
[20:14] <oliver_g_> yes... now stop jammering, and start reading about gtkrc-2.0 files
[20:15] <wxPython> what are those?
[20:15] <alex_mayorga> anyone with nvidia geforce go around?
[20:15] <oliver_g_> oh...
[20:15] <h3sp4wn> alex_mayorga: I have a mobile quadro what series
[20:15] <oliver_g_> are there rules against yammering?
[20:15] <soneil> Is there a mini.iso for hardy-alpha ?
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> netboot/mini.iso exists in the debian-installer dir for all distros
[20:16] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wn, 4 440go to be specific
[20:16] <lime4x4> anyone gotten falsh to work in hardy 64 bit?
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> Mine is pretty new so I am unlikely to have the same issues sorry
[20:16] <alex_mayorga> oliver_g_, I guess the be considerate part of the CoC kind of covers that
[20:17] <oliver_g_> hmm...
[20:17] <oliver_g_> he might have been a newbie and he might have been more annoying than this focus box :-) but the kick still surprised me
[20:17] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wm, where I should look for my old configs of xorg, it used to work OK after updating from feisty
[20:18] <h3sp4wn> maybe /etc/X11
[20:18] <h3sp4wn> what is wrong with it ? not working at all
[20:18] <soneil> h3sp4wn: thanks, I hadn't thought to look outside of cdimage.u.o
[20:18] <alex_mayorga> just after the update it worked, then I tried nvidia proprietary, now it doesn't want to work wit nv
[20:19] <stdin> oliver_g_: being constantly disrespectful in multiple channels will generally get you a kickban, as wxPython now knows
[20:19] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wm, can you hold my hand through this :)
[20:20] <DanaG> Heh, when you said something about banning that name, I thought you were talking about the package.  Silly me.
[20:20] <h3sp4wn> I was hoping that all traces of python would be got rid of but I knew it wouldn't happen
[20:20] <alex_mayorga> h3sp4wm, how are the xorg.confs time stamped?
[20:22] <h3sp4wn> Not sure I don't have any stray ones around here
[20:23] <alex_mayorga> so how do I go about going to the "old" ones, just mv old to xorg.conf?
[20:23] <oliver_g_> h3sp4wn: wasn't there a statement by mark s. to make ubuntu a premier platform for python development?
[20:23] <oliver_g_> (no kidding)
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g_: All talk no action
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> Sun cares more
[20:24] <oliver_g_> h3sp4wn: well I think better tools would be nice indeed
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> (Enough to employ those 2 recently and get it so that python can run on the jvm)
[20:25] <oliver_g_> urgh... isn't jvm that thing that uses up memory like nothing?
[20:25] <mohbana> do you guys have an idea what ubuntu does to its font, they render quiet nicely
[20:25] <oliver_g_> let's change the topic from sun to something else :-)
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> mohbana: No but the gentoo xeffects overlay have patches that look alot better than anything else
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> (If you are looking for patches)
[20:27] <mohbana> dont have idea i just want the ubunt fonts on my fedora install
[20:28] <oliver_g_> mohbana: maybe look through the files in /etc/fonts/
[20:28] <alex_mayorga> rebooting to see if my video gets fixed, BRB
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> mohbana: try rebuilding freetype with the BCI option enabled
[20:30] <nandemonai> Hi guys, has anyone noticed that flash uses quite a bit more cpu power compared to Gutsy? I find some sites maxing it out which never used to really happen.
[20:30] <mohbana> i ve got a quad core, and flash uses alot of cpu.
[20:31] <mohbana> its perform much better on vista for some reason
[20:31] <mohbana> i am talking about gusty
[20:31] <jester7> mohbana: i find that flash uses a lot in gutsy too
[20:32] <pwnguin> ive noticed that flash CPU jumped up a ton since gutsy
[20:32] <nandemonai> Well it's always been a little excessive but that's due to the plugin not being optimised I'm guessing, I've just noticed that in Hardy it seems a little worse.
[20:32] <pwnguin> adobe provides older versions of flash for you to test
[20:33] <jester7> maybe it has more to do with firefox 3 than it does flash?
[20:33] <nandemonai> jester7, That could be a very good point..
[20:33] <DanaG> This is my impression of Flash (as in, what I think of it, AND as in, me mimicking it):
[20:33] <DanaG> *segfault*
[20:34] <DanaG> Try browsing YouTube.  It just goes merrily segfaulting, repeatedly.
[20:34] <_dan_> new flashplugin is a mess, dont use it, use prior versions
[20:34] <jester7> im installing hardy in a virtualbox right now, but does firefox3 plus flash fix the problem of menus hiding behind flash ads?
[20:35] <nandemonai> jester7, Afraid not.
[20:35] <oliver_g_> _dan_: what do you mean with "new"? flash 9?
[20:35] <_dan_> na newer subversion of 9
[20:35] <_dan_> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48
[20:35] <_dan_> i use this one
[20:36] <oliver_g_> hmm... there were heavy security holes in that version, right?
[20:36] <h3sp4wn> Mine is fine finally just used equivs on my x64 to stop ubuntu trying to install its firefox
[20:37] <nandemonai> I'll wait till release to see how things pan out and tweak it as ness if it's still a problem.
[20:37] <_dan_> webdeisgners who do flash sites should be hang on their  ..... anyway
[20:38] <DanaG> Better description: web developers who design their sites to be usable solely through flash... those are the bad ones.
[20:38] <nandemonai> _dan_, Agreed, although it is useful for streaming video and stuff like that but full on Flash sites are evil. *nods*
[20:38] <oliver_g_> _dan_: so not forget that many webdesigners arev female ;)
[20:38] <DanaG> They probably also violate the ADA.
[20:38] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAmericans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990&ei=0krUR6z8MqGOgAPj3M3ODg&usg=AFQjCNEH_NX--ITZQbRPch05pPW8s70T4Q&sig2=f-0VQYF5A1zaLlkZvX_CDw
[20:38] <DanaG> argh
[20:39] <alex_mayorga> no joy :(
[20:39] <DanaG> great googly moogly, Google mangled that link!
[20:39] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990
[20:39] <DanaG> In other words, Flash is bad for accessibility.
[20:39] <alex_mayorga> no kidding
[20:39] <alex_mayorga> !video
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> guis are bad for blind people
[20:39] <ubotwo> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[20:39] <_dan_> oliver_g_ hahaha we can surely find appropriate replacements where we hang them then
[20:40] <alex_mayorga> can somebody tell the bot to tell me the video troubleshoot procedure, please?
[20:40] <oliver_g_> !xorg
[20:40] <oliver_g_> ?
[20:40] <ubotwo> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[20:41] <alex_mayorga> oliver_g_, thanks
[20:43] <alex_mayorga> is that guide still valid on Hardy?
[20:51] <alex_mayorga> YAY!! for the record this sole command sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and ctrl+alt+bskp did the trick
[20:51] <alex_mayorga> thanks oliver
[20:52] <oliver_g_> you're welcome
[20:52] <alex_mayorga> how can I now tell wich driver did I ended up with?
[20:53] <oliver_g_> maybe the "screen & graphics" dialog can tell you
[20:53] <alex_mayorga> tried that, it says "none" I guess is beter to be "driver less" after all :)
[20:53] <oliver_g_> :-)
[20:54] <Darkmystere> im talking about ubuntu releases...
[20:54] <alex_mayorga> oliver_g_ is the "none" driver a known bug as well?
[20:55] <oliver_g_> alex_mayorga: dunno
[20:55] <alex_mayorga> let me dig it up a bit
[20:55] <oliver_g_> it seems that this dialog is supposed to be removed in the future anyway :-/ so it probably won't be maintained much
[20:55] <alex_mayorga> so I've heard too
[20:56] <oliver_g_> alex_mayorga: try starting displayconfig-gtk from terminal and see if itb prints something
[20:56] <oliver_g_> ah right... I heard it in the bugreport you linked to :-)
[20:57] <oliver_g_> well nothing against a less-buggy replacement, but I hope it has the nice monitor selection, too
[20:57] <alex_mayorga> any word on what would replace it?
[20:57] <oliver_g_> yes, afaik the "screen resolution" entry in system -> settings will be extended to do the work
[20:58] <oliver_g_> it already has more features than the Gutsy version
[20:58] <oliver_g_> pity... the monitor selection in displayconfig-gtk was the _only_ app that ever got my old "buggy" 14" screen working... that is: not even Windows got it working!!
[21:10] <Seeker`> I just got a kernel panic on the lastest dist-upgrade
[21:12] <Seeker`> "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[21:12] <bardyr> hmm, maybe i'll wait to upgrade the kernel then :D
[21:14] <Seeker`> Also, my caps lock key is flashing
[21:16] <DanaG> That's how the kernel shows that it's panic'd, in case you don't have video or such.
[21:16] <oliver_g_> Seeker`: afaik the caps-lock flashing is a sign that the kernel has panicked (so you see it even if the screen is black and you don't know if only X has crashed)
[21:16] <oliver_g_> zwei dumme, ein gedanke...
[21:17] <oliver_g_> err... great mind think alike, i meant of course :-)
[21:18] <blackest> if i can find an .inf file for my laptop monitor can i import it so hardy knows its capabilities
[21:21]  * DanaG is glad his laptop has proper EDID.
[21:21] <RAOF> blackest: Unless your monitor is really, really, bad hardy already knows it's capabilities.
[21:23] <Seeker`> any idea how long a fix will take to appear?
[21:30] <RAOF> Seeker`: For your "I can't boot" problem?  You can probably fix it right now - grub's probably told the kernel to look in the wrong place or something.
[21:32] <RAOF> Heh: "Window manager warning: Received a _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE message for 0x5200006 (EVE); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck."
[21:33] <DanaG> Another error that sucks: the GTK setuid warning.
[21:33] <DanaG> All it gives is a PID.... of a process that then dies.
[21:34] <Seeker`> RAOF: The previous Kernel (-11) works fine
[21:34] <RAOF> Seeker`: That in no way invalidates what I said :)
[21:35] <Seeker`> RAOF: It has the same UUID as the previous kernel
[21:43] <jester7> yikes....so i like orange, and i don't mind brown, but is the new color for hardy seriously peach?
[21:44] <skwashd> hi
[21:44] <skwashd> i upgraded about 10 hours ago and went to bed
[21:44] <skwashd> rebooted this morning
[21:44] <skwashd> and now i am stuck with a non roman input method as the system setting
[21:45] <skwashd> i can't find where to change it
[21:45] <skwashd> any ideas?
[21:45] <bardyr> skwashd, System -> Preferences -> Keyboard
[21:46] <skwashd> bardyr: nope ... nothing there changes the system default "input method"
[21:46] <skwashd> that only changes the keyboard map
[21:46] <bardyr> input method?
[21:46] <skwashd> bardyr: yes ... input method ... right click in evo when composing an email and the setting is there
[21:47] <skwashd> mine was set to system in all apps
[21:47] <skwashd> now i have to manually set it to simple or i get some asian input method
[21:56] <gew> hey guys , i got a quick q
[21:57] <gew> i just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.24.12 and for chose to keep my old kernel ... now i wanna use the new one
[21:57] <gew> how do i do it
[21:57] <gew> uname -a shows 24-11
[21:57] <slipttees> hello
[21:58] <slipttees> gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for recording.
[21:58]  * J-_laptop is having a restore problem. Last night I left the laptop on, it went into hibernate mode after the screen went off, and I go to wake it up today, and was frozen, will small lines and such all over the screen
[21:58] <slipttees> After updating the kernel 2.6.24.12
[21:59] <J-_laptop> s/will/with
[21:59] <jester7> my wife just described hardy's color as "salmon" and "not for men"
[21:59] <jester7> thats just great
[22:00] <gew> real man use cli :)
[22:00] <gew> i am kiddin
[22:00] <gew> your wife knows best
[22:00] <slipttees> Just update the kernel and soon after I was reiniciaer without audio
[22:00] <slipttees> 2.6.24.12
[22:00] <seeitcoming> is anyone here using b43 and did anyone else notice a dive in b43 performance after the most recent new kernel?
[22:01] <gew> seeitcoming: i got b43
[22:01] <slipttees> Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Sat Mar 8 02:29:24 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:01] <ethana2> .....my sound device is now gone.
[22:01] <seeitcoming> gew: is it working ok recently?
[22:01] <gew> thank god i kept the old kernel 24-11
[22:01] <slipttees> gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for recording.
[22:01] <seeitcoming> as in, more than 4m range?
[22:01] <gew> seeitcoming: i am using it right now
[22:01] <gew> seeitcoming: the range is not great
[22:01] <DanaG> My mom described the wallpaper's background as being the color of "baby puke".
[22:01] <gew> i dont think it ever was
[22:02] <ethana2> DanaG: nice
[22:02] <ethana2> DanaG: so that'd be you, right?
[22:02] <ethana2> ^_^
[22:02]  * Seeker` is still getting kernel panics for -12
[22:02] <seeitcoming> gew: define 'not great'
[22:02] <ethana2> perhaps i should try reverting
[22:02] <ethana2> i'm going to do that...
[22:02] <slipttees> MUAHAH dawn, kernel panic ?!?
[22:02] <DanaG> Nope, I actually hadn't thought of it that way (and I haven't had the "joy" of encountering baby puke).
[22:02] <DanaG> But I do really like the foreground heron.
[22:02] <seeitcoming> gew: because it just stopped working from more than a few feet away today
[22:03] <gew> seeitcoming: right now i am like 10 feet from it , and i get 75%
[22:03] <gew> no walls
[22:03] <slipttees>  I just got here without sound
[22:03] <DanaG> If it becomes the default wallpaper for Hardy, I WILL be getting a case sticker of it (with a background fixed to match the laptop lid) for my next laptop.
[22:03] <gew> but if i go further , i wont be able to see any signal
[22:03] <seeitcoming> gew: same, and if the signal gets below 65% I can't connect to the AP
[22:04] <seeitcoming> I have 80% and I'm literally a metre from the router
[22:04] <slipttees> my internet only work, changing my ip manualy! :S
[22:04] <gew> seeitcoming: the good thing about b43 is that packet injection works
[22:04] <seeitcoming> ^_^
[22:04] <gew> better then bm43xxx
[22:04] <slipttees> ipv6 bug ?
[22:04] <seeitcoming> but range didn't use to be this bad...
[22:04] <gew> i guess
[22:04] <gew> yeap range is badd
[22:04] <seeitcoming> no, I mean b43 had better range *last night*
[22:04] <gew> seeitcoming: i didnt do the 24-12 yet
[22:05] <gew> so cant comment on that
[22:05] <gew> :X
[22:05] <seeitcoming> I'm quite tempted to revert to the -10 kernel
[22:05] <seeitcoming> because having wireless this teh suck is just inconvenient
[22:05] <slipttees> !paste
[22:05] <ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[22:05] <gew> seeitcoming: are u using aircrack-ng with it
[22:06] <seeitcoming> gew: nope, I'm on my own network here :)
[22:06] <gew> got it
[22:06] <ethana2> i'm back on the previous kernel now
[22:06] <ethana2> sound evidently works again
[22:06] <gew> seeitcoming: what kinda laptop u got
[22:06] <gew> here Dell inspiron 1525
[22:06] <ethana2> ...i thought sound was seperate from the kernel....
[22:07]  * DanaG has iwl3945.
[22:07] <seeitcoming> gew: hp tx1020ea
[22:07] <seeitcoming> (rebranded tx1000)
[22:07] <jester7> gew: hey, my 1525 is on should be here this week!
[22:07] <slipttees> My internet only works after I change my ip manually whenever turn off or restart the pc have to change my ip!
[22:07] <jester7> gew: what do yo uthink of it?
[22:07] <gew> jester7: sweet
[22:07] <gew> you get what u pay for i guess , but still is nice
[22:07] <gew> huge monitor
[22:07] <jester7> gew: did you get it with ubuntu preinstalled?
[22:08] <gew> jester7: nope , came with vista
[22:08] <gew> pro preinstalled is better
[22:08] <seeitcoming> gew: ew ew ew ew ew ew ew
[22:08] <alex123> hi guys. i'm on a 4th gen macbook pro, and the keyboard doesn't work in gutsy. i've heard that the kernel has been patched to fix this and that it works in hardy. Is it risky to upgrade to alpha 6, on a production machine? Can gvfs corrupt my files etc? please let me know your opinions
[22:08] <seeitcoming> mine came with that installed
[22:08] <skwashd> found my problem ... some SCIM thing started and set itself to ama<somehting>ic
[22:08] <DanaG> Speaking of HP:  https://blackboard.calpoly.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?useCas=1&tab=courses&url=/bin/common/course.pl?course_id=_157744_
[22:08] <gew> i installed mine :D
[22:08] <DanaG> argt
[22:08] <DanaG> wrong thing.
[22:08] <DanaG> http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/
[22:08] <jester7> gew: yeah, i got a refurb for $609 with the 1.66 duo, 2 gb ram and the webcam
[22:08] <DanaG> aah, that's what I meant.
[22:08] <slipttees> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59074/
[22:09] <slipttees> look this
[22:09] <gew> jester7: thats not bad
[22:09] <jester7> gew: but it comes with vista
[22:09] <DanaG> Lots and lots of documentation.
[22:09] <gew> i only got 512 ram
[22:09] <DanaG> Including a "Setup Menu" emulator with descriptions of what everything does!
[22:09] <gew> i am gona buy some on 15th
[22:09] <gew> no webcam here
[22:09] <gew> seeitcoming: how far do u have to go to lose the signal all the way
[22:10] <gew> i am only curious
[22:10] <jester7> gew: wow, i didn't even realize you could get them wiht 512 :|
[22:10] <gew> jester7: yeap , lets say outa the box(default)
[22:10] <DanaG> Do take a look at that Media Services Library thingie.  I like when companies document stuff that thoroughly.
[22:10] <seeitcoming> gew: about 15 feet but there's a wall sort of in the way
[22:10] <gew> seeitcoming: give me a sec i am doing some upgrades , i will test it for you
[22:10] <gew> with 24-11
[22:10] <seeitcoming> awesome, thanks :)
[22:11] <DanaG> I'd like to see somebody color-match the Heron wallpaper background to the HP Business laptops.
[22:12] <gew> seeitcoming: what kidna router u got ..
[22:12] <gew> i got a linksys and using dd-wrt
[22:13] <slipttees> hi guys, my internet only works after I change my iP address manually, whenever turn off or restart my Pc ihave to change my IP address! The problem is not in my gateway, why have another PC with Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy and internet works perfect, we always hardy only in the procedure needs to be done to change the IP to work! : S
[22:13] <Adys> Are there any known bugs on the latest unstable alsa updates?
[22:13] <Adys> Im unable to get any sound after it
[22:13] <Adys> no volume controle GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
[22:13] <gew> slipttees: i never had that problem
[22:13] <gew> sournd crazy tho
[22:14] <slipttees> Any solution, use fixed ip ?
[22:14] <slipttees> Any solution, I use fixed ip!
[22:14] <seeitcoming> gew: bt homehub
[22:14] <gew> k
[22:14] <gew> let me diconnect be back in a sec
[22:14] <jester7> so now i've been told that it's my monitor, so does hardy's new murrine color scheme look orange, or more of a salmon color to you guys?
[22:14] <seeitcoming> baiii
[22:15] <slipttees> Adys: i have same problem
[22:15] <slipttees> after install released kernel 2.6.24.12 buged
[22:15] <Adys> its recent slipttees ?
[22:15] <slipttees> :-)
[22:15] <Adys> hm
[22:15] <slipttees> use -11 again
[22:15] <slipttees> Adys: look  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59074/
[22:16] <slipttees> my dmesg
[22:16] <slipttees> eheheh
[22:17] <Adys> ill have a look cheers
[22:17] <slipttees> ;-)
[22:18] <slipttees> 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
[22:18] <darx> what is this configuration for "hesiod domain for searches"
[22:18] <darx> ??
[22:18] <darx> the default is .canonical.com what does it do?
[22:21] <slipttees> hu guys, my internet only works after I change my iP address manually, whenever turn off or restart my Pc ihave to change my IP address! I have another computer as a gateway the problem is not in my gateway, why have another PC with Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy and internet works perfect, we always hardy only in the procedure needs to be done to change the IP to work! : S Any solution, I use fixed ip!
[22:21] <slipttees> ?
[22:22] <slipttees> sorry my pour english google translation! :-)
[22:22] <darx> are you running dhcp?
[22:22] <gew> seeitcoming: k , its hard to tell cause the signal still shows up
[22:22] <gew> but i would say 15 feet and it drops
[22:22] <darx> slipttees: ?
[22:23] <seeitcoming> gew: ok I guess
[22:23] <gew> prims54g is cool
[22:23] <slipttees> darx: gateway don't have dhcp!
[22:23] <gew> i wish i had that
[22:23] <slipttees> only use fixed ip!
[22:23] <gew> i have no pcmcia slot .. and not sure if i cam good at chanign built-in wifi
[22:24] <darx> slipttees: then you'll have to set ubuntu as static as well.
[22:24] <leon_pegg> I am glad they fixed the ATI Driver in alpha6 :D
[22:25] <gew> seeitcoming: have u checked youyr preamble and tx power
[22:25] <darx> leon_pegg: what did they fix?
[22:25] <gew> maybe hte new kernel is more sensitive on that
[22:26] <leon_pegg> well before the FireGL driver made my desktop white when loaded but now it works fine
[22:26] <seeitcoming> gew: no, how do I?
[22:26] <gew> seeitcoming: your router config
[22:26] <gew> that is
[22:27] <leon_pegg> it also happened on gusty when I installed one of the newer drivers (was then fixed by a newer driver still)
[22:27] <DanaG> Handy things to do on dd-wrt: set it to use dnsmasq, and set it to use local dns so you can just type hostnames instead of IP addresses.
[22:27] <seeitcoming> there's no problem with the router
[22:27] <slipttees> darx: I use range Ip 10.10.0.xxx right! Currently using IP: 10.10.0.10 netmask: 255.0.0.0 gateway: 10.10.0.1 DNS: 10.10.0.1 but then restart or turn off the PC, I have to go into System => administration => networks and change my IP address to work internet! :-(
[22:27] <seeitcoming> other computers are fine
[22:27] <seeitcoming> and it was fine last night
[22:27] <gew> got it
[22:27] <DanaG> Set local domain to something like "localdomain", and then set it to use local DNS.
[22:28] <gew> seeitcoming: the reason i came here is cause i just upgraded the kernel but chose to use the older kernel and wanted to get 2.6.24-12 ... not sure how to do that , atm i am using 2.6.24-11
[22:28] <slipttees> darx: ipv6 bug or avahi ?
[22:28] <gew> it looks like 12 got issues tho
[22:28] <gew> :P
[22:29] <darx> slippttees: hmm.. i haven't got a clue. you can maybe try disabling ipv6 but i'm not sure if that'll help
[22:29] <slipttees> :p
[22:29] <Adys> slipttees:  seems that didnt help
[22:30] <Adys> It only changed the message :p
[22:30] <slipttees> wait, i'm using google tranalation!
[22:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, dnsmasq on the host also has a few things you can set on the router.
[22:30] <Adys> The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.
[22:30] <seeitcoming> gew: -12 isn't out yet, is it?
[22:30] <gew> seeitcoming: i think it is
[22:30] <aliguori> i'm unsure if this is my fault or not.  is anyone else experience module dependency issues with 2.6.24-12-generic (specifically with the snd modules)?
[22:30] <seeitcoming> gew: you're right. As apt-cache search showed me
[22:31] <gew> heh
[22:31] <seeitcoming> gew: just install it and modify grub config, surely?
[22:31] <gew> i did installed it , also checked grub
[22:31] <DanaG> my options: dhcp-option=3,192.168.1.1                  dhcp-option=6,192.168.1.1                      dhcp-option=vendor:MSFT,2,1i                      expand-hosts                  dhcp-authoritative
[22:31] <gew> i think i kept the old menu.lst
[22:31] <gew> let me have another look
[22:32] <slipttees> darx: Then, as disables the ipv6 get to a test ?
[22:32] <jester7> gew: you're running hardy on that 1525?
[22:32] <Adys> aliguori:  aye
[22:32] <slipttees> And how to re-activate the ipv6 ?
[22:33] <aliguori> Adys, looks like a bunch of modules are missing from kernel/sound?
[22:33] <darx> slipttees: that sentence doesn't make any sense :P
[22:33] <Adys> yup
[22:33] <slipttees> :-(
[22:33] <Adys> brb
[22:33] <aliguori> okay, that makes me feel better..  I just put a new motherboard in my box and though i might have toasted the hard drive in the process :-)
[22:34] <seeitcoming> gew: if you have a /boot/grub/grub.cfg check that too
[22:34] <gew> k
[22:34] <Adys> hmm the sound prefs dont like ESD test
[22:34]  * Adys forces reboot
[22:35] <slipttees> darx, Adys: Is a test, poses a fixed ip, and restart the computer, and see if you still end up with internet!
[22:35] <slipttees> ;-)
[22:35] <gew> seeitcoming: dont have cfg , how do i reinstall 24-12 tho
[22:36] <gew> cant find anythin on my grub
[22:36] <blackest> anyone got a basic inf file for an lcd monitor ? i need to somehow get xorg to accept i got a 800x480 screen
[22:37] <seeitcoming> gew: sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-etc
[22:37] <seeitcoming> etc = the actual kernel
[22:37] <gew> k , thanx
[22:37] <seeitcoming> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[22:37] <Adys> slipttees: I dont have access to a static IP from this comp :P
[22:37] <seeitcoming> then the name of the package
[22:37] <slipttees> Canonical Doesn't know what Rest ! :p
[22:37] <slipttees> Adys: :-(
[22:38] <gew> seeitcoming: are u isng canonical ?
[22:38] <gew> i am not .
[22:39] <pumpitup> did anyone download the alpha6 desktop amd64 iso..i just burnt it and doesnt seem t work for me
[22:39] <slipttees> gew: do you have access a static IP ?
[22:40] <beautifulsnow> pumpitup:  doesnt work? more details please?
[22:40] <gew> slipttees: i use dhcp
[22:40] <slipttees> :-(
[22:40] <RAOF> beautifulsnow: This looks like a job for...
[22:40] <RAOF> !doesntwork | pumpitup
[22:40] <ubotwo> pumpitup: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[22:41] <pumpitup> well the iso seems to burn fine but not bootable at all and no files appear on the cd but it says 100% usage
[22:41] <slipttees> Nobody here uses static ip?
[22:41] <beautifulsnow> Hey I sit on the couch all day... :( (But i work! ^_^)
[22:41] <gew> slipttees: is your router doing the ips or you do it with your box
[22:41] <seeitcoming> gew: what do you means?
[22:42] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: scrolling up to read your question - hold on
[22:42] <slipttees> :'(
[22:42] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: static, yes.  v6, no.
[22:42] <gew> i means , if i was using static ip , my hardy box would be autoconfig and do all the config via router
[22:43] <slipttees> tonyyarusso: make test from me ?
[22:43] <slipttees> make a test ?
[22:43] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: What do you mean?
[22:44] <beautifulsnow> pumpitup: did you do a md5sum check
[22:44] <slipttees>  my internet only works after I change my iP address manually, whenever turn off or restart my Pc ihave to change my IP address! I have another computer as a gateway the problem is not in my gateway, why have another PC with Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy and internet works perfect, we always hardy only in the procedure needs to be done to change the IP to work! : S Any solution, I use fixed ip. I use range Ip 10.10.0.xxx right! Currently using IP
[22:44] <slipttees> again!
[22:44] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: And how have you been adding the route so far?
[22:45] <pumpitup> beautifulsnow: ow i totally forgot about that i should specify its the kde4 version of hardy
[22:45] <slipttees> tonyyarusso: nop
[22:46] <setuid> RAOF, ping
[22:46] <setuid> ;)
[22:46] <setuid> I managed to get it all working, had to use the alternate installer, not the DVD image...
[22:46] <slipttees> tonyyarusso:  network-admin don't make this ?
[22:46] <setuid> Anyone know how to configure all of the compiz/beryl goodness in Hardy? I don't see any sort of config for that anywhere
[22:46] <beautifulsnow> pumpitup:  doesnt matter, should do md5sum
[22:46] <slipttees> tonyyarusso: yes yes :-)
[22:47] <slipttees> ever restart my PC turn the change my ip address :-(
[22:47] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: I'm not sure what n-a does, since my static machines are CLI-only.
[22:47] <Bobbe> okay
[22:47] <slipttees> 10.10.0.10 to 10.10.0.11 again 10.10.0.10 after  10.10.0.11
[22:47] <Bobbe> weird mistake here
[22:48] <Bobbe> dvd players won't go to menus. They play the film straight away, but I can't access menus. Why?
[22:48] <nandemonai> setuid, Advance Desktop Efects Settings.
[22:48] <Bobbe> nandemonai, was that for me?
[22:49] <tonyyarusso> Bobbe: I think Ogle can do menus.
[22:49] <slipttees> tonyyarusso: Likely ipv6 bug ?
[22:49] <gew> k this is what i get when i run dpkg-reconfigure  , yet 2.6.24-12 is not in my menu.lst ... i did reboot btw http://pastebin.ca/935825
[22:49] <nandemonai> Umm no Bobbe
[22:49] <Bobbe> nandemonai, ok lol
[22:49] <Bobbe> tonyyarusso, gonna try, thanks
[22:49] <Bobbe> but the other players do too, as far as I can remember
[22:49] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: no idea.
[22:50] <slipttees> okay
[22:50] <slipttees> gew: i can't remove linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic :S
[22:50] <seeitcoming> gew: post your menu.lst?
[22:50] <gew> seeitcoming: k
[22:51] <slipttees> Same is a tick! :S
[22:51] <Bobbe> tonyyarusso, it did, but the screen doesn't stretch. Is there a key to open a menu? DIdn't find any
[22:51] <tonyyarusso> Bobbe: that I don't know offhand, sorry
[22:52] <slipttees> gew: Linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic: subprocess post-removal script returned code output of error 1
[22:52] <setuid> nandemonai, I've enabled a bunch, but... how do I get them to take effect? Restart gdm?
[22:53] <gew> seeitcoming: http://pastebin.ca/935830
[22:53] <nandemonai> setuid, Hmm, they should take effect straight away..
[22:53] <setuid> nandemonai, Ok, how do I activate the "cube" then? It's enabled and I've set two key combinations for next/previous, but they do nothing
[22:53] <setuid> Does metacity use it? Or something else?
[22:54] <DanaG> Oh hey, one way to get dd-wrt to keep addresses fixed longer: expand the dhcp range.
[22:54] <seeitcoming> gew: do you have a /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-12-generic ?
[22:54] <gew> let me check
[22:54] <nandemonai> setuid, Have you got Rotate Cube enabled too?
[22:55] <gew> seeitcoming: yeap i got it
[22:55] <gew> its all tehre
[22:55] <gew> there
[22:55] <setuid> I do now... and it seems to flip... though, it's a 1-sided cube, apparently
[22:55] <seeitcoming> then just add an entry in menu.lst manually!
[22:55] <gew> k
[22:55] <seeitcoming> setuid: add more workspaces then
[22:56] <setuid> yep, trying to figure out how... metacity isn't my wm of choice
[22:58] <setuid> Doesn't seem to be a lot of help inside this applet, to describe which key combos activate each option and how to configure them
[23:00] <slipttees> everybody
[23:00] <slipttees> http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/4685
[23:00] <setuid> There is no user here called 'everybody'
[23:01] <slipttees> ok sorry
[23:04]  * Dr_Willis hugs ubotu 
[23:04] <slipttees> bye bye!
[23:06]  * Dr_Willis wonders what people are thinking - when they talk in this channel. :)
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> But at least with the last updates,  Hardy is getting better! :)
[23:10] <RAOF> setuid: Contextless pong!@
[23:10] <setuid> heheh
[23:10] <setuid> Trying to get the useful compiz stuff working, but ditch the eye-candy
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> Problem is - i find so little of the compiz stuff usefull. :)
[23:11] <setuid> skydome is very slow when you let the mouse go and let it re-settle
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> I like the preview of windows on the windowlist .. wife likes the zoom.
[23:11] <setuid> Dr_Willis, the alt+tab windowlist?
[23:11] <setuid> Or some other preview?
[23:12] <RAOF> setuid: The previews on the taskbar - it's the "window previews" plugin.
[23:12] <setuid> Oh, I don't use any of those things
[23:12] <setuid> no titlebars, no window frames, no docks, panels, wharfs or icons
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> When you mouse over the windows buttons on the bottom taskbar, shows a little miniwindow preview. Like vista does.
[23:13] <RAOF> setuid: Right.  _Seriously_ minimalist.
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> You just use the cube. :)
[23:13] <setuid> RAOF, Nah, there's no point to any of those things... sawfish does all that and more, without clutter
[23:13] <RAOF> setuid: So, you'll want at least the switcher and scale, and almost certainly the various scale addins.
[23:13] <setuid> If windows could only show titlebars when they were modal, that'd be nice
[23:14] <RAOF> setuid: Actually... :)
[23:14] <setuid> The default GNOME/metacity doesn't include any "window previews" plugin, only "Window list", "Window selector" and "Workspace switcher"
[23:14] <RAOF> setuid: You can probably do that in compiz because it's crazily configurable.
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> yep - gotta use the ccsm tool.
[23:15] <setuid> No "taskbar" applet either
[23:15] <setuid> Where might I find that, do see what this window previews thing does
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> 'windows preview' in ccsm
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> but it just goofed up on my system.. odd...
[23:16] <setuid> Right, I enabled that
[23:16] <setuid> now what?
[23:16] <darx> whats the ideal nice value for x server under the new cfs scheduler?
[23:16] <RAOF> setuid: Any taskbar applet will do - you can add it to a panel, or run something else, like AWN or something.
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> mouse over the panel/task manager button
[23:16] <darx> i've been feeling stuttering lately
[23:16] <setuid> No such thing, all I have is "workspace switcher" and hovering over the desktops shown there, does nothing
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I just noticed Visual effects has "none/normal/extras' and no Customized button any more.
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> it shows previews in the window list panel applet..  If you dont have it.. well  you aint going to see much
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> :)
[23:18] <setuid> Ok, "Window List" seems to work
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> gggg
[23:18] <setuid> I like alt+tab better than that, no need to move the mouse, it's faster, and shows the "neighbor" previews at the same time
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> Weird - I enable it and now i cant type in xchat
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> couldent even see what i had typed in xchat.
[23:19] <setuid> ooo, nasty gnome bug
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> not sure if its gnome bug, or xchat bug, or compiz bug.
[23:20] <Dr_Willis> I still get the impression that compiz is very much a work in progress. :)
[23:20] <setuid> If I enable "Window list" and use previews, and hover over minimized apps, it shows the preview. If I remove the "Window list" applet from the panel, and hover over the _now blank and empty_ space, it still shows the previews.
[23:20] <Dr_Willis> setuid,  Heh heh :) thats amuzeing
[23:21] <setuid> "Blur windows" plugin does nothing, probably not hooked into the backend yet
[23:21] <RAOF> setuid: "Blur windows" does do something, or at least should.
[23:22] <setuid> If it does, I'm not seeing it
[23:22] <DanaG> You just have to make something transparent to use it.
[23:22] <RAOF> And you need to make sure that transparent something is matched.
[23:23] <darx> never mind i set it to -5
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> They need a 'Drunken Stupor' plugin :)
[23:24] <setuid> What is needed, is some hover-style help for each plugin, or a block of text in the plugin's config dialog, that explains what it does, how to use it, etc.
[23:24] <DanaG> damnflabbit, stupid **************** keyboard got stuck again!
[23:25] <DanaG> That's one critical bug to me.  Not just "major"; I'd call it a showstopper.
[23:25] <DanaG> Imagine what happens if your 'delete' key gets stuck.
[23:25] <Seeker`> I have problems with gnome-settings-daemon, it keeps on crashing. I tried to start it from the command line, and it seems to crash while loading some xrandr stuff
[23:26] <DanaG> Data loss, anyone?
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> DanaG,  no thank you, ive had my fill of windows today.
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[23:27] <DanaG> At least Windows doesn't lose key-up events.
[23:27] <LimCore> DanaG: wtf????
[23:28] <LimCore> I had same problem on debian
[23:28] <LimCore> DanaG: either I have bad luck for broken keyboards,
[23:28] <LimCore> or kernel and/or X are broken about keyboard key debouncing
[23:29] <DanaG> It only started happening to me in Hardy, and only in January or February.
[23:29] <DanaG> I had been using Hardy just fine before then.
[23:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[23:33] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy) (dup-of: 194214)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:33] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[23:36] <Dr_Willis> Hmm My bug report is called a dup. but the 'dupe' is for gutsy.
[23:36] <Dr_Willis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/198351
[23:36] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 198351 in fusesmb "fusesmb - Not working properly." [Low,New]
[23:37] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/190934
[23:37] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:44] <Milos_SD> did somebody updated to the new 2.6.24-12 kernel?
[23:44] <Milos_SD> and are there any problems with it?
[23:44] <flick> I did
[23:45] <flick> not sure if the problems are with the kernel
[23:45] <flick> but now I have no sound
[23:45] <flick> :P
[23:45] <tgrundle> same here
[23:45] <icesword> hello
[23:45] <flick> anyone notice if there was a libc6 update along with the kernel update?
[23:46] <Milos_SD> with 2.6.24-11 and new nvidia driver my system is not freezing as it was ...
[23:46]  * DanaG goes off to try the -12 kernel.
[23:46] <Milos_SD> but, I don't know is it because of that kernel, restricted modules or new Nvidia drivers ...
[23:47] <Milos_SD> so I don't know should I do the update, because my system is now great with compiz-fusion
[23:47] <Milos_SD> ( Uptime ) 4 days, 12 hours 02 minutes [ Record: 4d 12h 2m 34s ] | Users: 2 | Load: 0.08, 0.23, 0.25
[23:47] <Milos_SD> :)
[23:47] <icesword> ok
[23:48] <icesword> what stage is 8.04 at now
[23:49] <rsk> beta
[23:49] <rsk> er. alpha
[23:50] <pumpitup> is there a comand to show what version of ubuntu im running
[23:50] <tonyyarusso> pumpitup: lsb_release -a
[23:51] <DanaG> -12 works fine for me.
[23:51] <pumpitup> by editiing my sources list and switching gutsy for hardy is this a safe way to dist-upgrade
[23:53] <DanaG> Oh hey, if I have commit=300 in my fstab for root, why isn't it mounted that way?
[23:53] <DanaG> [   32.271714] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
[23:54] <Adys> Anyone else having a huge memory leak with pidgin (2.4 and lower) since last update cycle?
[23:55] <secretlondon> X has decided to give me 400x300
[23:55]  * secretlondon is back in gutsy ;)
[23:58] <Adys> http://www.devcub.com/~adys/pidginleak.png
[23:58] <RAOF> secretlondon: Luxury!
[23:59] <secretlondon> gdm is fine at 1024x768, it decides to go to 400x300 after I login, xorg.conf hasn't changed :(