[17:16] <pleia2> eep, did the meeting start?
[17:17] <pleia2> I know I keep complaining, but this gobby thing really doesn't work for me ;P
[17:29] <pleia2> Zelut's email said it was 3 hours from 10 (which is now) and the schedule said it was at 2PM EST (in an hour) or 1900UTC (in 2 hours)
[18:29] <pleia2> ok, I'm back on a machine that can handle it, hopefully didn't miss much..
[18:29] <Zelut> nah, just wiki discussion on revising the content.
[18:51] <Mez> ryanakca, pig
[18:51] <Mez> ping *
[18:53] <ryanakca> Mez: pong
[18:53] <Mez> what was with the deactivation ?
[18:54] <ryanakca> gobby.ubuntu.com if you're still interested, we're having a meeting at the moment under the Classroom document
[18:54] <ryanakca> Mez: cleaning up the team of revivors, since it's been revived once again by a different group of people
[18:54] <Mez> again? well, if you want me still in, you know i'm there. I've been waiting to hear from you about the last time though
[18:55] <ryanakca> Mez: yes, again.
[18:56] <Mez> ryanakca, :P
[20:05] <LtYellow> jrib: Okay
[20:05] <jrib> okay
[20:06] <jrib> so basically you can give permissions on a file to the owner, the group, and "everyone else"
[20:06] <jrib> drwx---rwx 1 501 dialout 11 2008-03-08 15:31
[20:06] <jrib> d just means it's a directory
[20:06] <jrib> the first three letters are the permissions for the owner.  They are rwx, so you can read write and execute
[20:07] <jrib> the next three are for the group.  The group cannot do anything
[20:07] <jrib> and the last three are for everyone else
[20:07] <jrib> the 501 is the uid of the owner
[20:07] <jrib> dialout is the group
[20:08] <jrib> now, on your osx install the gid (number) for the group that should not be able to read that directory is the same as the gid for the dialout group on your ubuntu
[20:08] <jrib> and your user is a member of dialout I bet
[20:08] <jrib> understand?
[20:09] <LtYellow> jrib: so, i need to change the gid for osx or ubdrwx---rwx 1 501 dialout 11 2008-03-08 15:31 /media/macintosh/Users/aritzkobayashi/Music/
[20:09] <LtYellow> udrwx---rwx 1 501 dialout 11 2008-03-08 15:31 /media/macintosh/Users/aritzkobayashi/Music/
[20:09] <LtYellow> ndrwx---rwx 1 501 dialout 11 2008-03-08 15:31 /media/macintosh/Users/aritzkobayashi/Music/
[20:09] <LtYellow> so, in need to change the gid of osx or ubuntu?
[20:10] <jrib> gid is a number for a group
[20:10] <jrib> every file has a group it belongs to specified by a gid
[20:11] <LtYellow> so...how would i go about to fix this?
[20:11] <LtYellow> would you use chmod?
[20:11] <jrib> well you can just give the group permissions
[20:12] <jrib> or change the group
[20:12] <jrib> If you don't actually care that people in this group can't view the files (maybe you are the only user of the computer anyway), then you can do either of the above
[20:12] <LtYellow> in osx?
[20:12] <LtYellow> yes, i am the only user on this machine
[20:13] <jrib> LtYellow: shouldn't matter, you can do it in ubuntu or osx
[20:13] <jrib> or at least it seems that way
[20:13] <LtYellow> im sorry, i'm very new at this. could you walk me through this?
[20:13] <jrib> sure
[20:14] <jrib> LtYellow: do you want to just give the group permissions then?
[20:14] <LtYellow> thans
[20:14] <LtYellow> yes, that sounds fine
[20:14] <jrib> LtYellow: just do: sudo chmod g+rwx /path/to/file
[20:15] <jrib> if you want to do it recursively, then use -R after chmod, but you need to be very sure that you are applying to the right directory as you can't reverse the effects
[20:17] <LtYellow> ok, thank you for your help
[21:36] <visualdeception> did i miss anything in the meeting
[23:05] <Linux_Fresher> Hi
[23:07] <Linux_Fresher> jrib: 80 GB SATA hd .. this contains windows xp and programs etc .. around 69500 mb is used .. the HD does not have partitions [ only one partition of full 80 gbs and is NTFS formatted ] .. i know i have to resize the partition and release 5 gb for Ubuntu, but the issue is little different .. remeber the figure 69500 MB USED space.
[23:08] <Linux_Fresher> First problem -->  the 'Format ?' column has the clickable box which is NON-Clickable .. is it a bug ?
[23:11] <jrib> can you give me a screenshot?
[23:12] <Linux_Fresher> jrib:  umm little new here, i found out about paste bin or something , but can u tell me how to screenshot in here and where that paste bin is ?
[23:13] <nalioth> !pastebin
[23:13] <ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[23:13] <jrib> to get a screenshot, hit the PrintScreen button on the keyboard
[23:13] <jrib> use imageshack.us to upload it
[23:14] <Linux_Fresher> okies, uploading to imageshack.us
[23:16] <Linux_Fresher> http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshothu4.png
[23:17] <jrib> I assume you can't format it because the type is ntfs
[23:18] <Linux_Fresher> Details:  Forget the first 2 FAT 32 [ hda1 and hda 5] disks, we stick to the last ntfs one [sda1 ],  now first problem is that the format box is un-clickable ..  ok .. so that solves first problem .. its not clickable because its ntfs,  now i hit the edit partition button
[23:19] <Linux_Fresher> http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1nq5.png
[23:20] <jrib> before you proceed, you have backups of your data right?
[23:21] <Linux_Fresher> the New Partition size in megabytes field -->  here the 'decrease' arrow is faded .. thats the lowest its allowing me to go.. the PROBLEM is i can MANUALLY type 5120 there [ approx 5 gb as in 5 * 1024]  .. but when i leave that field and go to 'Use as' field, it changes back to 69500
[23:22] <Linux_Fresher> yeah i have some back up but not all and its not possible atm to get all back up done for various reasons
[23:22] <jrib> well realize that although it is unlikely, you may lose data
[23:22] <Linux_Fresher> basically, can u make me understand what exactly the first "new partition size in megabytes" fields wants to say ?
[23:22] <Linux_Fresher> ya this time i am very careful because i have burnt my fingers bad with linux previously
[23:23] <Linux_Fresher> upto an extent that for last 3 years i was a total linux hater .. sorry for that but just stating my mindset .. this time i am trying to give linux a total unbiased try without the windows mindset as if its my first OS of life
[23:23] <jrib> Linux_Fresher: hit ok and see what happens, it won't write anything to your disk yet
[23:25] <Linux_Fresher> it just gave me a warning saying it will be written to the disk .. i clicked go back ofcourse, not continue
[23:25] <jrib> ah ok
[23:25] <jrib> well I believe that's just the size you want to shrink it to
[23:25] <Linux_Fresher> basically, why the first field would not accept a value of 5120 ?
[23:26] <jrib> Linux_Fresher: because then you would lose data?
[23:27] <Linux_Fresher> erm .. wait, i would lose data if it says 69500 minimum because thats exactly the USED amount on HD
[23:27] <Linux_Fresher> for my understanding, can u please simplify the first field for me in english ? what its exactly asking me ?
[23:28] <jrib> well I believe that's just the size you want to shrink the ntfs partition to
[23:28] <jrib> the new size for the ntfs partition
[23:29] <Linux_Fresher> OOOOOOOOOH .. ok .. gosh !! they should mention it nicely  !! u know .. linux is great  true, their documentation is good .. may be true , but its not very good documentation for 'movers' like me =) .. it may be really good documentation for a total fresher !! good you guys are around !!
[23:30] <jrib> Linux_Fresher: if it's not clear, then I'd encourage you to file a bug about it at bugs.ubuntu.com so the next guy has an easier time
[23:32] <Linux_Fresher> i had that in mind .. i suggested it to some pro ubuntu guy too .. but he kinda bi.tched at me for being a windows user and a dumbf**k .. well thats the second issue we windows users trying to convert to linux face !! too many geeks in linux  love to step on us .. but its GREAT to have people like you around :) .. thanks a TONS for that =)
[23:35] <Linux_Fresher> man .. thanks a loads for making me understand this .. i understand it now totally .. and thanks for running this great channel too .. i will keep coming here as i progress in this quest to learn linux [ and hopefully get rid of windows forever]
[23:36] <jrib> Linux_Fresher: sure, no problem.  Good luck!
[23:42] <Linux_Fresher> Ok, just to make sure that I have understood this, i will type this Q to make sure and prevent data loss .. watch the figures please .. TOTAL disk size is 80023 mb,  USED space is 69500 mb .. now I want to give 5120 for ubuntu .. so 80023 - 5120 = '74903' MB  <-- this will be NEW size of NTFS partition which will have my windows xp and programs, games etc and  5120 will be made free for ubuntu WITHOUT any data loss on the 74903 [ ntfs windo
[23:43] <jrib> Linux_Fresher: yes.  But when you shrink partitions there is always the chance of data loss
[23:44] <jrib> Linux_Fresher: some people recommend defragmenting the windows partition before shrinking
[23:44] <Linux_Fresher> thats ok !! i am happy that i am understanding stuff  .. yup i defraged too
[23:44] <Linux_Fresher> btw, linux needs defragging too ? or thats windoz only thingy ?
[23:44] <jrib> Linux_Fresher: windows only
[23:45] <Linux_Fresher> i mean linux in general , not for current installation  .. oh and i know some viruses exist for linux  similarly, do spywares exist for linux too ?
[23:45] <jrib> Linux_Fresher: you don't need to worry about defragging, spyware, or viruses on ubuntu
[23:45] <jrib> !virus
[23:45] <ubotwo> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[23:47] <Linux_Fresher> somehow linux systems sound too good to be true .. there must be some pitfall which I am not seeing .. i mean even on Live CD with No graphical enhancements it slaps windows vista tight
[23:48] <jrib> well if you are into gaming, newer games will be tough to play
[23:48] <Linux_Fresher> 74903 is kept for that !! ^^
[23:48] <jrib> ha
[23:49] <Linux_Fresher> and i checked winedb .. ALL games I play work on wine
[23:49] <Linux_Fresher> guild wars, wow, counter strike , war hammer,  u name it , its there !! [ yup i am a gamer !! ]
[23:51] <Linux_Fresher> Use as: field is again confusing ..  i want to say ext3 there, but now, when i have said 74903 above, most logically i will feel that it will format that 74903 to ext3 making me lose all data .. now, how to solve this ? can u confirm that it will format the remaining 5120 that i want to give to ubuntu to ext3 and NOT the 74903 written above ?
[23:53] <jrib> I believe you should have 5120 of unpartioned space.  Then you create a new partition from that.  Can you pastebin a screenshot?
[23:54] <Linux_Fresher> uploading
[23:56] <Linux_Fresher> http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2uc8.png
[23:58] <Linux_Fresher> all they had to do was to say "Use the REST of space as" and it would help me so much  [ thats if it wants to format 5120 mb with ext 3 :) ]