| slangasek | Keybuk: this doesn't sound like an improvement to me | 00:04 |
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| slangasek | at best, it sounds like needless churn... | 00:04 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: if the backup program runs as a known user, you can grant that in PK as a permanent authorisation | 00:04 |
| Keybuk | therefore it always has an ACL | 00:04 |
| slangasek | yes, you can - but why do that? | 00:05 |
| slangasek | what's the pk equivalent to adduser --system? | 00:05 |
| Keybuk | I don't understand, sorry? | 00:05 |
| slangasek | you're installing a backup package. you want the backup package to set itself up in the correct group when added. Today, you do that by adding a system user and putting it in the disk group using standard commands. | 00:06 |
| Keybuk | ah, we're talking about different cases | 00:06 |
| ion_ | I guess adduser --system ...; polkit-auth ... | 00:06 |
| Keybuk | sorry, I was thinking of a random user running a backup program | 00:07 |
| slangasek | ah | 00:07 |
| Keybuk | if they weren't authorised to access the disk, it would require some kind of better authorisation | 00:07 |
| Keybuk | ie. it'd pop up a dialog asking for the root password, or something | 00:07 |
| Keybuk | if they're an admin, it would instead ask for their password | 00:07 |
| Keybuk | etc. | 00:07 |
| Keybuk | but without setuid helpers | 00:08 |
| Keybuk | which are evil | 00:08 |
| slangasek | but I don't think giving end users full read access to the disks is ever the right thing either, whether it's brokered through policy kit or otherwise | 00:08 |
| Keybuk | you say "I want to access this device", and if you are allowed (by implicit, explicit or obtained authorisation) you get an ACL on it | 00:08 |
| Keybuk | the problem with the group-per-device model is that you need a group per device | 00:09 |
| Keybuk | e.g. that scard group | 00:09 |
| Keybuk | we have yet another class of device "smartcards" | 00:09 |
| Keybuk | so someone invents yet another system group | 00:09 |
| Keybuk | and then grants some application implicit access to those kinds of devices | 00:09 |
| Keybuk | or expects you to grant access to all users, etc. | 00:09 |
| ion_ | Does policykit modify the actual filesystem ACLs and then reset them when the authorization expires? | 00:09 |
| Keybuk | ion_: HAL does that | 00:09 |
| slangasek | for devices where you routinely want to grant end-users access, I agree that the ACL model is better | 00:09 |
| slangasek | but you listed the 'disk' group, and I think that's a bug :) | 00:10 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: I think we can both agree background daemons are a special case | 00:10 |
| Keybuk | yeah disk was, I was typing dialout actually, then came back and saw "di" so finished with disk | 00:10 |
| Keybuk | obviously we don't normally place users in the disk group right now | 00:10 |
| slangasek | aha :) | 00:10 |
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| fabbione | superm1: congrats on the mythtv release | 04:27 |
| * fabbione tests | 04:27 | |
| superm1 | thanks fabbione. went surprisingly smooth :) | 04:27 |
| superm1 | i need to pester someone in ~ubuntu-backporters now | 04:27 |
| superm1 | and get it in gutsy | 04:27 |
| superm1 | and we'll be done | 04:27 |
| fabbione | i hope they have fixed the .iso/dvd playback | 04:28 |
| fabbione | because i tested also normal DVD playback using Cars from Disney in a normal dvd player and it was royal crap | 04:28 |
| fabbione | and yes the dvd was original.. | 04:29 |
| jdong | fabbione: Disney and Sony DVD's are horrendously awful to play on computers because of the ARCcOS crap they use | 04:31 |
| jdong | I can't even get mplayer to play some of these discs | 04:31 |
| fabbione | jdong: it used to play fine with older version of Mythtv | 04:31 |
| jdong | superm1: I'm no sick break, so no! | 04:31 |
| jdong | fabbione: ah, then you aren't affected | 04:31 |
| superm1 | on sick break? | 04:31 |
| jdong | fabbione: but for the record High School Musical 2 is ARCcOS protected ;-) | 04:31 |
| fabbione | jdong: this is a regression i already discussed with superm1 | 04:31 |
| jdong | (little sister. I swear.) | 04:32 |
| superm1 | jdong, being on sick break is even more of a reason to ack such backport bugs :) | 04:32 |
| jdong | superm1: yes, no backporting while I'm vomiting :) | 04:32 |
| superm1 | bah. | 04:32 |
| superm1 | that | 04:32 |
| superm1 | s boring | 04:32 |
| * Fujitsu strangles jdong for mentioning such a vile, vile movie. | 04:32 | |
| jdong | superm1: not when it's possibly due to contamination of food utensils | 04:32 |
| superm1 | wow that's horrible. | 04:32 |
| fabbione | jdong: i was able to reproduce that problem with several others non sony nor disney dvd's | 04:33 |
| jdong | Fujitsu: lol, I know. I scrubbed the images off my computer. | 04:33 |
| fabbione | jdong: some just don't start play.. others only audio.. other times only video | 04:33 |
| jdong | fabbione: ah different problem then | 04:33 |
| fabbione | and i am sure they used to work before 0.21* | 04:33 |
| fabbione | yup indeed | 04:33 |
| jdong | fabbione: I've had different issues with media players getting stuck in copy protection pits | 04:33 |
| jdong | annoying as hell, takes 30+ minutes to dig itself out and continue playing | 04:33 |
| jdong | ah the lengths the movie industry goes for annoying the consumer | 04:34 |
| fabbione | jdong: thing is that both mplayer and xine plays those DVD's just fine on the same machine | 04:35 |
| slangasek | their target audience is too young to have taken a civics class | 04:35 |
| fabbione | only mythtv interal player doesn't | 04:35 |
| * jdong kicks fglrx. | 04:36 | |
| jdong | *cry* My tummy hurts, my head hurts, and fglrx corrupted my screen. How could my day get any worse? | 04:36 |
| superm1 | it took your GPG key with it? | 04:36 |
| fabbione | your hd will die in a few minutes | 04:36 |
| jdong | lol you guys are evil | 04:37 |
| jdong | click. | 04:37 |
| fabbione | i don't remember any part of the CoC that explicity requires me _NOT_ to be evil :P | 04:37 |
| fabbione | oh speaking of GPG.. need to revoke a few uid's | 04:38 |
| superm1 | jdong, well i'm doing the legwork on the backport and attaching the build logs and such. so it will just need a shiny +1 attached from you when you are alive again | 04:38 |
| * Fujitsu revokes fabbione. | 04:39 | |
| jdong | superm1: alright, that sounds good, thanks | 04:39 |
| ion_ | fabbione: Please do not revoke mine. | 04:39 |
| fabbione | ion_: ? | 04:40 |
| fabbione | i can only remove uid's from my keys... | 04:40 |
| ion_ | Just a poor attempt at a joke. :-) | 04:40 |
| fabbione | it's like 5:40am here.. have been awake all night cleaning my son's vomit and poking at xml | 04:40 |
| ion_ | (Yeah, unless you’re a Chuck Norris.) | 04:40 |
| fabbione | ask yourself how much humor i have left in my body | 04:41 |
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| * ChuckNorris bashes ion_ | 04:41 | |
| ion_ | Better than cleaning your son’s xml and poking at vomit. | 04:41 |
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| ion_ | And i’m sorry your son is sick. :-( | 04:41 |
| fabbione | not your fault dude.. | 04:41 |
| fabbione | he got somekind of bug 2 days ago | 04:41 |
| fabbione | high fever and all that crap | 04:42 |
| ion_ | Sorry, as in feeling sorry for him. | 04:42 |
| fabbione | yeah | 04:42 |
| fabbione | thanks | 04:42 |
| ion_ | How old is he? | 04:42 |
| fabbione | 18 months | 04:43 |
| jdong | aww poor kid | 04:43 |
| jdong | somehow, though, I think the parents suffer more than the kids | 04:44 |
| fabbione | jdong: you are so right on this | 04:44 |
| jdong | not in the sense of cleaning up, but watching a helplessly miserably toddler | 04:44 |
| fabbione | indeed | 04:44 |
| ion_ | About the age of my nephew. | 04:45 |
| jdong | well, hope he gets better soon... | 04:45 |
| fabbione | yeah so do i | 04:45 |
| fabbione | also because when he is sick he hangs on my neck all the time like a little monkey | 04:45 |
| fabbione | he doesn't go to mummy at all | 04:45 |
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| Hobbsee | fabbione: bet mummy's happy with that | 04:48 |
| jdong | fabbione: aww surely you've gotta feel some inner sense of satisfaction with that :) | 04:48 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: indeed :) | 04:48 |
| fabbione | jdong: only when i am not dead tired | 04:49 |
| superm1 | jdong, okay its bug 200044. i'll subscribe ubuntu-backporters though in case someone else decides to grab it. | 04:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 200044 in gutsy-backports "MythTV 0.21 Suite backport" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200044 | 04:55 |
| jdong | superm1: mmkay, the perl module is a new hardy package? | 04:55 |
| superm1 | yeah | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | what's up with tzdata? | 04:55 |
| superm1 | i wanted to get it to debian too, but i dont have a sponsor yet for it in debian | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: ping? | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | Setting up tzdata (2007k-0ubuntu0.7.10.1) ... | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure): | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | Errors were encountered while processing: | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | tzdata | 04:56 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: guess it's too late! | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: this is gutsy. i'ts not supposed to break! | 04:59 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: it seemed to work fine for me when I applied it earlier today (as a data point) | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm | 04:59 |
| superm1 | an older release breaking from an update? blasphemy ! | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | it's because i've changed the default timezone | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, there we go. | 05:02 |
| superm1 | jdong, er yeah you probably wanted a build log from the perl module too. i'll attach that. | 05:10 |
| jdong | superm1: nah I trust your word | 05:11 |
| dbmoodb | in case you don't know - broadcom pcmcia laptop card freezes on eject - have not given it the firmware yet - i assume this is to do with networking manager .... | 05:23 |
| jdong | is there a bug filed on this? | 05:24 |
| dbmoodb | --- i don't know i have just installed hardy and was testing it out | 05:24 |
| jdong | randomly coming into IRC with bugs rarely allows the message to reach the right people... | 05:24 |
| dbmoodb | yes i was hoping i would be told if some one was aware of one | 05:25 |
| dbmoodb | i am tired and was hoping that a bug had already been filed | 05:25 |
| jdong | :) | 05:26 |
| dbmoodb | sorry - wrong room should have joined ubuntu+1 | 05:26 |
| jdong | not a problem | 05:26 |
| `Xenocide | the odds of someone else reporting this AND paying attention to IRC are low | 05:26 |
| dbmoodb | - should i repost it in there or are most people in both | 05:26 |
| `Xenocide | you might as well use launchpad itself to find similar bugs | 05:26 |
| dbmoodb | well i am not involved with ubuntu that much at this stage and have previously made a noise and a blah of my self in #ubuntu so i don't really want to do work for you guys - in a major form i am just testing hardy out of interest. | 05:28 |
| `Xenocide | well, the only way it gets fixed is if the people with the problem communicate with the people who can fix it | 05:29 |
| slangasek | I don't understand why you would want to test hardy and bother to report issues, but not report them in the manner than will get them fixed? | 05:29 |
| dbmoodb | because i don't want to get recognition for them because an attempt to contribute in an extended manner is not what i can do for the ubuntu community. i will give our cds but i am not wanting recognition online | 05:31 |
| `Xenocide | recognition, or responsibility? | 05:32 |
| dbmoodb | recognition | 05:32 |
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| LaserJock | that didn't make a whole lot of sense | 05:36 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: clearly he's a famous Microsoft employee who doesn't want us to recognize him when he files bug reports :) | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | yeah ... | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | he's not. | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | (thank goodness) | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | he's at my uni | 05:52 |
| slangasek | Hobbsee: oh. why is he being weird about bugfiling? :) | 05:57 |
| fabbione | slangasek: because the water spins the opposite direction in Down Under | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: nfi. | 05:58 |
| * fabbione starts to have nightmares about xml | 05:59 | |
| Hobbsee | so, this is strange. | 06:27 |
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| tjaalton | hm, what happened to the fonts.. they look "bigger" and fuzzier now | 10:52 |
| zdzichu_1 | tjaalton: check workaround at second-to-last comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/153521 | 10:56 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153521 in ubuntu "fonts are blurred with subpixel rendering" [Undecided,New] | 10:56 |
| afflux | Is this intended or will this be fixed eventually? | 10:57 |
| zdzichu_1 | AFAIK this won't be fixed. | 10:58 |
| afflux | :( | 10:59 |
| tjaalton | zdzichu_1: thanks! | 11:13 |
| tjaalton | maybe that bug should be reassigned.. | 11:13 |
| tjaalton | it's not against any package atm | 11:13 |
| Hobbsee | !ping | 12:01 |
| ubotu | ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore | 12:01 |
| ompaul | !ops | sorry to be a pain - ubotu is currently lagged like crazy can't be fixed due to auth issues - please people in #ubuntu-ops and I'll can a spare bot to join and please mute ubotu | 14:37 |
| ompaul | ohh like that is going to be fun -- there will be a 20 min lag on reply or there abouts | 14:38 |
| ubotu | sorry to be a pain - ubotu is currently lagged like crazy can't be fixed due to auth issues - please people in #ubuntu-ops and I'll can a spare bot to join and please mute ubotu: Help! bhale, infinity, Hobbsee, jdub, thom, fooishbar, fabbione, mdz, lamont, or Keybuk | 14:52 |
| highvolt1ge | ubotu: ping? | 14:55 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ping? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 14:55 |
| ompaul | highvolt1ge, it was 20 mins before that we seem to be getting waves of this | 15:02 |
| ompaul | since yesterday | 15:02 |
| ompaul | seveas said he can't get secure access for a couple of days if it is problematic drop into #ubuntu-ops and request ubotwo if ubotu is muted | 15:03 |
| highvolt1ge | ompaul: ok thanks, doesn't seem serious (yet) though | 15:25 |
| ompaul | (tm) ;-)9 | 15:25 |
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| xsystemx | Xlibs not found at -L/usr/X11R6/lib - How can I find out what package is required ? | 16:10 |
| crimsun | xsystemx: fix the build system; that path is deprecated | 16:12 |
| crimsun | xsystemx: in any case, you'd want at least libx11-dev, possibly more. Check the log. | 16:13 |
| xsystemx | crimsun - just trying to install virtualbox from source? | 16:14 |
| xsystemx | crimsun - install all imaginable binary packages and still getting the error? | 16:15 |
| crimsun | xsystemx: you'd need some subset of "apt-get build-dep virtualbox-ose" | 16:16 |
| crimsun | xsystemx: may be better directed to #ubuntu-motu, in fact | 16:17 |
| xsystemx | crisum - motu = ? | 16:17 |
| pochu | jcastro: hello, I have a question regarding UDS, do you have a moment for a /msg ? | 16:29 |
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| afflux | Apport is doing weird things these days. ubuntu-crashes-* isn't subscribed to some bugs (for example bug 199846, which was reported by myself), some bugs just don't have the "need-*-retrace" tags (bug 199911) the retracer simply removes the "need-*-retrace" tags (also bug 199846). Anyone knows what's going on? | 16:44 |
| ubotu | Bug 199846 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199846 is private | 16:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199911 in emerald "emerald crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_gc_new_with_values()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199911 | 16:44 |
| ubotu | Bug 199846 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199846 is private | 16:44 |
| afflux | (I manually added the need-i386-retrace tag to 199911) | 16:44 |
| Adri2000 | who takes care of https://lists.ubuntu.com ? I doubt ubuntu-qa is a loco team :) | 16:51 |
| LaserJock | depends on which "loco" they're talking about ;p | 16:52 |
| Adri2000 | :p | 16:53 |
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| m8ram | is this the right place for general questions on developing packages? | 19:01 |
| james_w | m8ram: not really. #ubuntu-motu may be better. | 19:01 |
| m8ram | thx, will check it | 19:01 |
| m8ram | james_w: ubuntu-motu is specific for ubuntu, do you have an idea where I can get some directions on how to become an upstream developer as well? | 19:10 |
| andrea-bs | m8ram: you should contact the upstream developers | 19:12 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: that's exactly the problem: I'd like to work on/help with the abcde package but the upstream developer (who is also the debian maintainer) appears to have abandoned the project | 19:13 |
| andrea-bs | m8ram: did you try to contact him? | 19:13 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: I have sent him an email several months ago requesting him where to send feature requests but got no reply, this afternoon I sent an email to mia@qa-debian.com to see if he is considered MIA or not | 19:14 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: in any case the package has not been touched since sarge, even though various patches are available in the debian bug tracker system | 19:15 |
| m8ram | for ubuntu the maintainer is set to Ubuntu MOTU developers | 19:16 |
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| andrea-bs | m8ram: the project has a Mailing List, did you know? | 19:19 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: haven't found it yet | 19:20 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: the SVN repos gives an error 503 service unavailable... | 19:20 |
| jdong | yay svnadmin recover. | 19:20 |
| andrea-bs | m8ram: I'm reading the readme from the ubuntu package | 19:21 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: the archives of the old mailing list appear to have been taken offline | 19:22 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: and the readme itself says that the new list was at that time not activley used | 19:22 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: last message on this list is from March 2007 | 19:23 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: and it's in spanish... | 19:24 |
| andrea-bs | m8ram: I can see that it's developed in debian, did you try to contact debian developers? | 19:24 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: not yet, other than the mail I sent to mia@qa-debian.org (not .com as I wrote earlier) | 19:25 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: but the maintainer at debian is also Jesus Climent, the upstream author | 19:26 |
| andrea-bs | m8ram: I know, but this package is not maintained in ubuntu so I think you will have more chances with debian devs | 19:27 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: ok, do you know where I could find them? I couldn't find an IRC channel for debian devel yet (I'm not really used to IRC) | 19:28 |
| andrea-bs | m8ram: maybe #debian, but I'm not sure | 19:29 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs:and debian-qa was really quiet earlier today | 19:29 |
| m8ram | andrea-bs: thx, will check | 19:29 |
| pochu | m8ram: irc.debian.org, #debian-devel | 19:45 |
| m8ram | pochu: thx, will check it | 19:45 |
| m8ram | thx: the original author appears to be on #debian-devel, hasn't responded yet but at least I'm at the right place | 20:12 |
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| pwnguin | is there a wiki for summer of code ideas yet? | 21:55 |
| Amaranth | pwnguin: brainstorm.ubuntu.com | 22:30 |
| pwnguin | the fun part about brainstorm is taking what they say and interpreting what they really want / need | 22:34 |
| pwnguin | it's a bit like those GIMP / GNOME makeovers where the mockup is just a photoshop of what they want, with no considerations for what's feasible. | 22:42 |
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| TheMuso | Wow! Nice that the config file prompting is now via debconf. Slick. :) | 23:32 |
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| TheMuso | 5~/c | 23:57 |
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