[00:04] Keybuk: this doesn't sound like an improvement to me [00:04] at best, it sounds like needless churn... [00:04] slangasek: if the backup program runs as a known user, you can grant that in PK as a permanent authorisation [00:04] therefore it always has an ACL [00:05] yes, you can - but why do that? [00:05] what's the pk equivalent to adduser --system? [00:05] I don't understand, sorry? [00:06] you're installing a backup package. you want the backup package to set itself up in the correct group when added. Today, you do that by adding a system user and putting it in the disk group using standard commands. [00:06] ah, we're talking about different cases [00:06] I guess adduser --system ...; polkit-auth ... [00:07] sorry, I was thinking of a random user running a backup program [00:07] ah [00:07] if they weren't authorised to access the disk, it would require some kind of better authorisation [00:07] ie. it'd pop up a dialog asking for the root password, or something [00:07] if they're an admin, it would instead ask for their password [00:07] etc. [00:08] but without setuid helpers [00:08] which are evil [00:08] but I don't think giving end users full read access to the disks is ever the right thing either, whether it's brokered through policy kit or otherwise [00:08] you say "I want to access this device", and if you are allowed (by implicit, explicit or obtained authorisation) you get an ACL on it [00:09] the problem with the group-per-device model is that you need a group per device [00:09] e.g. that scard group [00:09] we have yet another class of device "smartcards" [00:09] so someone invents yet another system group [00:09] and then grants some application implicit access to those kinds of devices [00:09] or expects you to grant access to all users, etc. [00:09] Does policykit modify the actual filesystem ACLs and then reset them when the authorization expires? [00:09] ion_: HAL does that [00:09] for devices where you routinely want to grant end-users access, I agree that the ACL model is better [00:10] but you listed the 'disk' group, and I think that's a bug :) [00:10] slangasek: I think we can both agree background daemons are a special case [00:10] yeah disk was, I was typing dialout actually, then came back and saw "di" so finished with disk [00:10] obviously we don't normally place users in the disk group right now [00:10] aha :) === emgent is now known as emgent`robilive` === emgent`robilive` is now known as emg`robilv`Imm === emg`robilv`Imm is now known as emg`rob`imm`no0` === emg`rob`imm`no0` is now known as emg`rob`im`no`ma === emg`rob`im`no`ma is now known as emgent === ogra_cmpc_ is now known as ogra_cmpc [04:27] superm1: congrats on the mythtv release [04:27] * fabbione tests [04:27] thanks fabbione. went surprisingly smooth :) [04:27] i need to pester someone in ~ubuntu-backporters now [04:27] and get it in gutsy [04:27] and we'll be done [04:28] i hope they have fixed the .iso/dvd playback [04:28] because i tested also normal DVD playback using Cars from Disney in a normal dvd player and it was royal crap [04:29] and yes the dvd was original.. [04:31] fabbione: Disney and Sony DVD's are horrendously awful to play on computers because of the ARCcOS crap they use [04:31] I can't even get mplayer to play some of these discs [04:31] jdong: it used to play fine with older version of Mythtv [04:31] superm1: I'm no sick break, so no! [04:31] fabbione: ah, then you aren't affected [04:31] on sick break? [04:31] fabbione: but for the record High School Musical 2 is ARCcOS protected ;-) [04:31] jdong: this is a regression i already discussed with superm1 [04:32] (little sister. I swear.) [04:32] jdong, being on sick break is even more of a reason to ack such backport bugs :) [04:32] superm1: yes, no backporting while I'm vomiting :) [04:32] bah. [04:32] that [04:32] s boring [04:32] * Fujitsu strangles jdong for mentioning such a vile, vile movie. [04:32] superm1: not when it's possibly due to contamination of food utensils [04:32] wow that's horrible. [04:33] jdong: i was able to reproduce that problem with several others non sony nor disney dvd's [04:33] Fujitsu: lol, I know. I scrubbed the images off my computer. [04:33] jdong: some just don't start play.. others only audio.. other times only video [04:33] fabbione: ah different problem then [04:33] and i am sure they used to work before 0.21* [04:33] yup indeed [04:33] fabbione: I've had different issues with media players getting stuck in copy protection pits [04:33] annoying as hell, takes 30+ minutes to dig itself out and continue playing [04:34] ah the lengths the movie industry goes for annoying the consumer [04:35] jdong: thing is that both mplayer and xine plays those DVD's just fine on the same machine [04:35] their target audience is too young to have taken a civics class [04:35] only mythtv interal player doesn't [04:36] * jdong kicks fglrx. [04:36] *cry* My tummy hurts, my head hurts, and fglrx corrupted my screen. How could my day get any worse? [04:36] it took your GPG key with it? [04:36] your hd will die in a few minutes [04:37] lol you guys are evil [04:37] click. [04:37] i don't remember any part of the CoC that explicity requires me _NOT_ to be evil :P [04:38] oh speaking of GPG.. need to revoke a few uid's [04:38] jdong, well i'm doing the legwork on the backport and attaching the build logs and such. so it will just need a shiny +1 attached from you when you are alive again [04:39] * Fujitsu revokes fabbione. [04:39] superm1: alright, that sounds good, thanks [04:39] fabbione: Please do not revoke mine. [04:40] ion_: ? [04:40] i can only remove uid's from my keys... [04:40] Just a poor attempt at a joke. :-) [04:40] it's like 5:40am here.. have been awake all night cleaning my son's vomit and poking at xml [04:40] (Yeah, unless you’re a Chuck Norris.) [04:41] ask yourself how much humor i have left in my body === fabbione is now known as ChuckNorris [04:41] * ChuckNorris bashes ion_ [04:41] Better than cleaning your son’s xml and poking at vomit. === ChuckNorris is now known as fabbione [04:41] And i’m sorry your son is sick. :-( [04:41] not your fault dude.. [04:41] he got somekind of bug 2 days ago [04:42] high fever and all that crap [04:42] Sorry, as in feeling sorry for him. [04:42] yeah [04:42] thanks [04:42] How old is he? [04:43] 18 months [04:43] aww poor kid [04:44] somehow, though, I think the parents suffer more than the kids [04:44] jdong: you are so right on this [04:44] not in the sense of cleaning up, but watching a helplessly miserably toddler [04:44] indeed [04:45] About the age of my nephew. [04:45] well, hope he gets better soon... [04:45] yeah so do i [04:45] also because when he is sick he hangs on my neck all the time like a little monkey [04:45] he doesn't go to mummy at all === pwnguin is now known as `Xenocide [04:48] fabbione: bet mummy's happy with that [04:48] fabbione: aww surely you've gotta feel some inner sense of satisfaction with that :) [04:48] Hobbsee: indeed :) [04:49] jdong: only when i am not dead tired [04:54] jdong, okay its bug 200044. i'll subscribe ubuntu-backporters though in case someone else decides to grab it. [04:55] Launchpad bug 200044 in gutsy-backports "MythTV 0.21 Suite backport" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200044 [04:55] superm1: mmkay, the perl module is a new hardy package? [04:55] yeah [04:55] what's up with tzdata? [04:55] i wanted to get it to debian too, but i dont have a sponsor yet for it in debian [04:56] pitti: ping? [04:56] Setting up tzdata (2007k-0ubuntu0.7.10.1) ... [04:56] dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure): [04:56] subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 [04:56] Errors were encountered while processing: [04:56] tzdata [04:58] Hobbsee: guess it's too late! [04:59] jdong: this is gutsy. i'ts not supposed to break! [04:59] Hobbsee: it seemed to work fine for me when I applied it earlier today (as a data point) [04:59] hmmm [04:59] an older release breaking from an update? blasphemy ! [05:00] ahhh [05:00] it's because i've changed the default timezone [05:02] yeah, there we go. [05:10] jdong, er yeah you probably wanted a build log from the perl module too. i'll attach that. [05:11] superm1: nah I trust your word [05:23] in case you don't know - broadcom pcmcia laptop card freezes on eject - have not given it the firmware yet - i assume this is to do with networking manager .... [05:24] is there a bug filed on this? [05:24] --- i don't know i have just installed hardy and was testing it out [05:24] randomly coming into IRC with bugs rarely allows the message to reach the right people... [05:25] yes i was hoping i would be told if some one was aware of one [05:25] i am tired and was hoping that a bug had already been filed [05:26] :) [05:26] sorry - wrong room should have joined ubuntu+1 [05:26] not a problem [05:26] <`Xenocide> the odds of someone else reporting this AND paying attention to IRC are low [05:26] - should i repost it in there or are most people in both [05:26] <`Xenocide> you might as well use launchpad itself to find similar bugs [05:28] well i am not involved with ubuntu that much at this stage and have previously made a noise and a blah of my self in #ubuntu so i don't really want to do work for you guys - in a major form i am just testing hardy out of interest. [05:29] <`Xenocide> well, the only way it gets fixed is if the people with the problem communicate with the people who can fix it [05:29] I don't understand why you would want to test hardy and bother to report issues, but not report them in the manner than will get them fixed? [05:31] because i don't want to get recognition for them because an attempt to contribute in an extended manner is not what i can do for the ubuntu community. i will give our cds but i am not wanting recognition online [05:32] <`Xenocide> recognition, or responsibility? [05:32] recognition === `Xenocide is now known as pwnguin [05:36] that didn't make a whole lot of sense [05:50] LaserJock: clearly he's a famous Microsoft employee who doesn't want us to recognize him when he files bug reports :) [05:51] yeah ... [05:52] he's not. [05:52] (thank goodness) [05:52] he's at my uni [05:57] Hobbsee: oh. why is he being weird about bugfiling? :) [05:58] slangasek: because the water spins the opposite direction in Down Under [05:58] slangasek: nfi. [05:59] * fabbione starts to have nightmares about xml [06:27] so, this is strange. === Zic_ is now known as Zic === sourcode_ is now known as sourocde === sourocde is now known as Ton` === Ton` is now known as sourcode === hunger_t_ is now known as hunger === doko_ is now known as doko === spacey_ is now known as spacey [10:52] hm, what happened to the fonts.. they look "bigger" and fuzzier now [10:56] tjaalton: check workaround at second-to-last comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/153521 [10:56] Launchpad bug 153521 in ubuntu "fonts are blurred with subpixel rendering" [Undecided,New] [10:57] Is this intended or will this be fixed eventually? [10:58] AFAIK this won't be fixed. [10:59] :( [11:13] zdzichu_1: thanks! [11:13] maybe that bug should be reassigned.. [11:13] it's not against any package atm [12:01] !ping [12:01] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [14:37] !ops | sorry to be a pain - ubotu is currently lagged like crazy can't be fixed due to auth issues - please people in #ubuntu-ops and I'll can a spare bot to join and please mute ubotu [14:38] ohh like that is going to be fun -- there will be a 20 min lag on reply or there abouts [14:52] sorry to be a pain - ubotu is currently lagged like crazy can't be fixed due to auth issues - please people in #ubuntu-ops and I'll can a spare bot to join and please mute ubotu: Help! bhale, infinity, Hobbsee, jdub, thom, fooishbar, fabbione, mdz, lamont, or Keybuk [14:55] ubotu: ping? [14:55] Sorry, I don't know anything about ping? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [15:02] highvolt1ge, it was 20 mins before that we seem to be getting waves of this [15:02] since yesterday [15:03] seveas said he can't get secure access for a couple of days if it is problematic drop into #ubuntu-ops and request ubotwo if ubotu is muted [15:25] ompaul: ok thanks, doesn't seem serious (yet) though [15:25] (tm) ;-)9 === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [16:10] Xlibs not found at -L/usr/X11R6/lib - How can I find out what package is required ? [16:12] xsystemx: fix the build system; that path is deprecated [16:13] xsystemx: in any case, you'd want at least libx11-dev, possibly more. Check the log. [16:14] crimsun - just trying to install virtualbox from source? [16:15] crimsun - install all imaginable binary packages and still getting the error? [16:16] xsystemx: you'd need some subset of "apt-get build-dep virtualbox-ose" [16:17] xsystemx: may be better directed to #ubuntu-motu, in fact [16:17] crisum - motu = ? [16:29] jcastro: hello, I have a question regarding UDS, do you have a moment for a /msg ? === Ubulette_ is now known as Ubulette [16:44] Apport is doing weird things these days. ubuntu-crashes-* isn't subscribed to some bugs (for example bug 199846, which was reported by myself), some bugs just don't have the "need-*-retrace" tags (bug 199911) the retracer simply removes the "need-*-retrace" tags (also bug 199846). Anyone knows what's going on? [16:44] Bug 199846 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199846 is private [16:44] Launchpad bug 199911 in emerald "emerald crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_gc_new_with_values()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199911 [16:44] Bug 199846 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199846 is private [16:44] (I manually added the need-i386-retrace tag to 199911) [16:51] who takes care of https://lists.ubuntu.com ? I doubt ubuntu-qa is a loco team :) [16:52] depends on which "loco" they're talking about ;p [16:53] :p === giskard_ is now known as giskard [19:01] is this the right place for general questions on developing packages? [19:01] m8ram: not really. #ubuntu-motu may be better. [19:01] thx, will check it [19:10] james_w: ubuntu-motu is specific for ubuntu, do you have an idea where I can get some directions on how to become an upstream developer as well? [19:12] m8ram: you should contact the upstream developers [19:13] andrea-bs: that's exactly the problem: I'd like to work on/help with the abcde package but the upstream developer (who is also the debian maintainer) appears to have abandoned the project [19:13] m8ram: did you try to contact him? [19:14] andrea-bs: I have sent him an email several months ago requesting him where to send feature requests but got no reply, this afternoon I sent an email to mia@qa-debian.com to see if he is considered MIA or not [19:15] andrea-bs: in any case the package has not been touched since sarge, even though various patches are available in the debian bug tracker system [19:16] for ubuntu the maintainer is set to Ubuntu MOTU developers === asac_ is now known as asac [19:19] m8ram: the project has a Mailing List, did you know? [19:20] andrea-bs: haven't found it yet [19:20] andrea-bs: the SVN repos gives an error 503 service unavailable... [19:20] yay svnadmin recover. [19:21] m8ram: I'm reading the readme from the ubuntu package [19:22] andrea-bs: the archives of the old mailing list appear to have been taken offline [19:22] andrea-bs: and the readme itself says that the new list was at that time not activley used [19:23] andrea-bs: last message on this list is from March 2007 [19:24] andrea-bs: and it's in spanish... [19:24] m8ram: I can see that it's developed in debian, did you try to contact debian developers? [19:25] andrea-bs: not yet, other than the mail I sent to mia@qa-debian.org (not .com as I wrote earlier) [19:26] andrea-bs: but the maintainer at debian is also Jesus Climent, the upstream author [19:27] m8ram: I know, but this package is not maintained in ubuntu so I think you will have more chances with debian devs [19:28] andrea-bs: ok, do you know where I could find them? I couldn't find an IRC channel for debian devel yet (I'm not really used to IRC) [19:29] m8ram: maybe #debian, but I'm not sure [19:29] andrea-bs:and debian-qa was really quiet earlier today [19:29] andrea-bs: thx, will check [19:45] m8ram: irc.debian.org, #debian-devel [19:45] pochu: thx, will check it [20:12] thx: the original author appears to be on #debian-devel, hasn't responded yet but at least I'm at the right place === cr3__ is now known as cr3 [21:55] is there a wiki for summer of code ideas yet? [22:30] pwnguin: brainstorm.ubuntu.com [22:34] the fun part about brainstorm is taking what they say and interpreting what they really want / need [22:42] it's a bit like those GIMP / GNOME makeovers where the mockup is just a photoshop of what they want, with no considerations for what's feasible. === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [23:32] Wow! Nice that the config file prompting is now via debconf. Slick. :) === j_ack_ is now known as j_ack [23:57] 5~/c