| === RoAkSoAx is now known as ^4nDr3s | ||
| nalioth | !member | michalski | 03:11 |
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| ubotu | michalski: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember | 03:11 |
| michalski | wow thanks | 03:12 |
| === __ is now known as Splunge | ||
| === Splunge is now known as Spush | ||
| === ^4nDr3s is now known as RoAkSoAx | ||
| sordith | how would somebody go about making a complaint up about a certain Ubuntu Developer, when he failed to respect the Community Guidelines in multiple points? | 10:45 |
| ompaul | hardly an IRC issue | 10:52 |
| sordith | how would you know without having heard anything about the issue yet? | 10:52 |
| ompaul | well then saying developer is masking the issue | 10:52 |
| sordith | the behaviour was observed here on IRC | 10:53 |
| ompaul | have you logs? | 10:53 |
| sordith | if they are required, then i can serve logs | 10:53 |
| ompaul | you will be required to back up your case | 10:54 |
| ompaul | now was it an irc issue? | 10:54 |
| sordith | thats not the main problem for me at the moment, how to backup my claims | 10:54 |
| ompaul | in an official ubuntu channel? | 10:54 |
| sordith | i am at my first step to find out who to address | 10:54 |
| ompaul | define what the problem as you saw it was | 10:55 |
| ompaul | where it happened | 10:55 |
| ompaul | I really can't point you in any direction until you do that | 10:55 |
| sordith | the situation started on #ubuntu-uk, from there i was taken to #ubuntu-ops, where the situation was escalating further, then i was taken to this channel here, where the climax of abuse happened | 10:55 |
| ompaul | and what was your contribution to this | 10:56 |
| sordith | my contribution was to play the role of a black sheep for a heavily disturbeb anti social personality | 10:56 |
| sordith | s/disturbed | 10:56 |
| ompaul | was this on Friday by any chance? | 10:57 |
| sordith | i need to check when that was | 10:58 |
| ompaul | please do so | 10:58 |
| sordith | Feb 20th, around 10 GMT | 10:59 |
| ompaul | and give me the nick of the wronged party as you saw | 11:00 |
| ompaul | it | 11:00 |
| sordith | the cause was popey, the helpers were Tm_T and Daviey | 11:01 |
| ompaul | no | 11:02 |
| ompaul | that is not what I asked | 11:02 |
| ompaul | what I asked was what was the nick of the party that was considered wronged? | 11:02 |
| sordith | can you express "considered wronged" in a more simplified way so non-native speakers understand what you are asking for? | 11:03 |
| ompaul | the person who was on the wrong end of the stick -- you are here making claims and further to that -- you are | 11:04 |
| ompaul | suggesting they have been wronged | 11:05 |
| ompaul | ohh well - failure to communicate and I have not got all day | 11:06 |
| sordith | i am not sure if i get your point, but i was target of popey who felt the need to escalate a situation more and more, and Tm_T and Daviey were helping him to make me feel really bad | 11:08 |
| ompaul | that kind of text reads in a really familiar way | 11:08 |
| sordith | i cant control your intuition, nor do i want to | 11:09 |
| sordith | i am still on my first step to find out who to address with my problem | 11:09 |
| ompaul | if you are indeed the party they assumed you were you are prohibited from entering freenode | 11:09 |
| ompaul | if not then fine | 11:09 |
| sordith | ompaul: shall we ask christel if she has time to fix your problem? | 11:09 |
| ompaul | hahahaha | 11:09 |
| sordith | whats funny about that? | 11:10 |
| sordith | i talked to christel a few times, she knows who i am. and i am sure she can help you with your current problem | 11:10 |
| sordith | in case you feel a need to blow the current situatioon out of proportion you make my problem much more complex, because i will have to address your behaviour also | 11:11 |
| ompaul | in what context | 11:11 |
| ompaul | I find it funny that you refer to staff - I am not staff and have not been for a long time | 11:11 |
| sordith | feel free to read the backlog since we started to talk while i enjoy a cigarette in my kitchen | 11:11 |
| ompaul | right so - I am out of here - message time | 11:14 |
| sordith | try to keep simple problems simple. if your mental state does not allow currently, take a break | 11:16 |
| sordith | let freenode staff worry whether a person is allowed to visit the network | 11:17 |
| sordith | now, who do i address with my problem, please? | 11:17 |
| sordith | thats no problem if i need to take some more time and patience | 11:52 |
| sordith | i am a nice person actually, if the other involved people manage to communicate in a non-violent manner | 11:52 |
| * sordith is still waiting patiently | 12:52 | |
| sordith | at the moment my situation feels like the responsible people here think something like "to best we can do is to ignore the problem of this dude" | 12:55 |
| sordith | that is indeed better than trying to make me go away by brute force | 12:55 |
| sordith | if popey had style and a stable personality, he could easily fix the problem he caused, by telling me something simple like "sorry for causing harm, lets move on" | 12:56 |
| sordith | i expect other people to help to keep simple problems simple, so i really want to try to live that by own example | 12:58 |
| popey | as I said at the time, take it up with whoever you need to, irc council or community council | 13:01 |
| sordith | popey: why do you want me to escalate the situation between you and me? | 13:01 |
| popey | There is no issue between you and me as far as I am aware, but if you have an issue with me then I can only suggest you take it up with the appropriate prople. | 13:02 |
| popey | *people | 13:02 |
| sordith | popey: the source of our problem is obviously, that you are convinced about the fact that i should not be allowed to visit this chat network. is that so? | 13:02 |
| popey | Whether that be the Ubuntu IRC council, Freenode or the Ubuntu Community council. | 13:02 |
| popey | one moment, brb | 13:03 |
| sordith | take your time | 13:03 |
| sordith | popey: i joined #ubuntu-uk and you could have simple asked me to leave, because you dont like me for whatever reason. instead you used a ban and told me to go to #ubuntu-ops, where i was treated bad and banned with the comment to go to #ubuntu-irc where i was treated bad and banned | 13:05 |
| sordith | the reason seems to be that i used to have beef with christel many years ago, which was escalated by multiple people do some massive IRC drama | 13:06 |
| sordith | there is 2 questions: what benefit do you personally have, when i constantly fall from the network? | 13:07 |
| sordith | and why is it so hard to keep problems on the smallest possible level? | 13:07 |
| sordith | what i did to christel was not right. but you cant imagine how often i paid for that already | 13:08 |
| sordith | so when that is sorted out that i was punished often enough for some private conflict that happened years ago, the next problem to sort out is, that my personality obviously causes discomfort | 13:09 |
| sordith | there is nothing wrong by telling me, that i am not liked | 13:10 |
| popey | you are not liked | 13:10 |
| sordith | there is also nothing wrong by giving me instructions how to do better | 13:10 |
| sordith | the complaint from me is how that is communicated | 13:10 |
| sordith | the less violence is involved, the easier i can accept it | 13:11 |
| sordith | my main problem is, that i unwillingly play the black sheep for a few people who are pretty close to anti social personality disorder | 13:12 |
| sordith | and i cant fix that all alone | 13:12 |
| popey | you could start by not insulting me every time I see you | 13:12 |
| sordith | how did i insult you, as that was not my plan, please? | 13:12 |
| popey | 12:56:57 < sordith> if popey had style and a stable personality, he could easily fix the problem he caused, by telling me something simple like "sorry for causing harm, lets move on" | 13:12 |
| sordith | how is that insulting to you? | 13:13 |
| popey | calling me unstable | 13:13 |
| sordith | i admit that can hurt feelings of a sensible and sensitive person, but i dont find that insulting | 13:13 |
| sordith | cause i did not call you unstable | 13:13 |
| popey | you implied it | 13:13 |
| popey | I'm not going to waste my sunday afternoon arguing that | 13:14 |
| sordith | i made that a condition, that if you are stable and if you have style, then you manage to fix a problem that you caused | 13:14 |
| popey | Anyway, I have already said what I think you should do | 13:14 |
| sordith | and i dont plan to go harassing you all sunday about small, not important details. all i wanted is to solve the dispute between you and me | 13:15 |
| popey | take it to the irc council, cc or freenode | 13:15 |
| sordith | but i also dont plan to esclate this problem further by writing mails or contacting other people | 13:15 |
| popey | stalemate then | 13:15 |
| sordith | so you are not willing to keep small problems as small as possible? | 13:15 |
| popey | I am not willing to waste my sunday afternoon discussing something which could be resolved by a 3rd party | 13:16 |
| sordith | i am quite sorry then, because the Code of Conduct that you signed as Ubuntu Developer should enable you, to keep problems that _you_ cause simple and small, without unnecessary escalation | 13:16 |
| === atoponce is now known as encryptz | ||
| popey | this is a necessary escalation IMO | 13:17 |
| sordith | and its quite scary that i have to lecture you on your guidelines | 13:17 |
| popey | you dont | 13:17 |
| popey | you think you do | 13:17 |
| popey | but you dont | 13:17 |
| sordith | i just need to move on and go at risk that you do again, what you did on #ubuntu-uk with me, running me then through #ubuntu-ops and #ubuntu-irc to get more and more beatings, only to give you the feeling you helped to punish somebody for something you dont even know? | 13:19 |
| popey | I apologise for telling you to go to #ubuntu-ops, that was merely a mistake of mine, not realising which channel dealt with these issues | 13:20 |
| popey | I should have directed you to #ubuntu-irc it seems | 13:20 |
| sordith | accepted, and i appologize for all the mistakes i did which affected you directly or indirectly | 13:20 |
| sordith | you can be sure that i will keep working on my personality problems | 13:20 |
| sordith | you can also be sure that i will do my best to be an advocate of the Freenode Policy and the Freenode Guidelines | 13:21 |
| sordith | have a good day you all | 13:33 |
| ompaul | anyone with ops here? | 14:27 |
| PriceChild | I do yes. | 14:28 |
| ompaul | PriceChild, see -ops | 14:29 |
| ompaul | PriceChild, actually now just mute the other one | 14:29 |
| ompaul | please | 14:29 |
| ompaul | PriceChild, you now have two live bots here - please mute ubotu | 14:31 |
| ompaul | !test | 14:31 |
| ubotwo | Fbiled. | 14:31 |
| ompaul | thanks | 14:32 |
| ompaul | PriceChild, now you know - we will never know :) | 14:32 |
| === RoninX341 is now known as etank | ||
| zack | hello there | 21:03 |
| zack | anyone there | 21:03 |
| zack | ok then | 21:03 |
| nalioth | wow a whole 30 seconds | 21:13 |
| Seeker` | nalioth: thats a long time for some people | 21:16 |
| tonyyarusso | I IRC at relativistic speeds! | 21:19 |
| no0tic | :) | 21:20 |
| no0tic | he probably was on a spaceship | 21:25 |
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