=== RoAkSoAx is now known as ^4nDr3s [03:11] !member | michalski [03:11] michalski: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember [03:12] wow thanks === __ is now known as Splunge === Splunge is now known as Spush === ^4nDr3s is now known as RoAkSoAx [10:45] how would somebody go about making a complaint up about a certain Ubuntu Developer, when he failed to respect the Community Guidelines in multiple points? [10:52] hardly an IRC issue [10:52] how would you know without having heard anything about the issue yet? [10:52] well then saying developer is masking the issue [10:53] the behaviour was observed here on IRC [10:53] have you logs? [10:53] if they are required, then i can serve logs [10:54] you will be required to back up your case [10:54] now was it an irc issue? [10:54] thats not the main problem for me at the moment, how to backup my claims [10:54] in an official ubuntu channel? [10:54] i am at my first step to find out who to address [10:55] define what the problem as you saw it was [10:55] where it happened [10:55] I really can't point you in any direction until you do that [10:55] the situation started on #ubuntu-uk, from there i was taken to #ubuntu-ops, where the situation was escalating further, then i was taken to this channel here, where the climax of abuse happened [10:56] and what was your contribution to this [10:56] my contribution was to play the role of a black sheep for a heavily disturbeb anti social personality [10:56] s/disturbed [10:57] was this on Friday by any chance? [10:58] i need to check when that was [10:58] please do so [10:59] Feb 20th, around 10 GMT [11:00] and give me the nick of the wronged party as you saw [11:00] it [11:01] the cause was popey, the helpers were Tm_T and Daviey [11:02] no [11:02] that is not what I asked [11:02] what I asked was what was the nick of the party that was considered wronged? [11:03] can you express "considered wronged" in a more simplified way so non-native speakers understand what you are asking for? [11:04] the person who was on the wrong end of the stick -- you are here making claims and further to that -- you are [11:05] suggesting they have been wronged [11:06] ohh well - failure to communicate and I have not got all day [11:08] i am not sure if i get your point, but i was target of popey who felt the need to escalate a situation more and more, and Tm_T and Daviey were helping him to make me feel really bad [11:08] that kind of text reads in a really familiar way [11:09] i cant control your intuition, nor do i want to [11:09] i am still on my first step to find out who to address with my problem [11:09] if you are indeed the party they assumed you were you are prohibited from entering freenode [11:09] if not then fine [11:09] ompaul: shall we ask christel if she has time to fix your problem? [11:09] hahahaha [11:10] whats funny about that? [11:10] i talked to christel a few times, she knows who i am. and i am sure she can help you with your current problem [11:11] in case you feel a need to blow the current situatioon out of proportion you make my problem much more complex, because i will have to address your behaviour also [11:11] in what context [11:11] I find it funny that you refer to staff - I am not staff and have not been for a long time [11:11] feel free to read the backlog since we started to talk while i enjoy a cigarette in my kitchen [11:14] right so - I am out of here - message time [11:16] try to keep simple problems simple. if your mental state does not allow currently, take a break [11:17] let freenode staff worry whether a person is allowed to visit the network [11:17] now, who do i address with my problem, please? [11:52] thats no problem if i need to take some more time and patience [11:52] i am a nice person actually, if the other involved people manage to communicate in a non-violent manner [12:52] * sordith is still waiting patiently [12:55] at the moment my situation feels like the responsible people here think something like "to best we can do is to ignore the problem of this dude" [12:55] that is indeed better than trying to make me go away by brute force [12:56] if popey had style and a stable personality, he could easily fix the problem he caused, by telling me something simple like "sorry for causing harm, lets move on" [12:58] i expect other people to help to keep simple problems simple, so i really want to try to live that by own example [13:01] as I said at the time, take it up with whoever you need to, irc council or community council [13:01] popey: why do you want me to escalate the situation between you and me? [13:02] There is no issue between you and me as far as I am aware, but if you have an issue with me then I can only suggest you take it up with the appropriate prople. [13:02] *people [13:02] popey: the source of our problem is obviously, that you are convinced about the fact that i should not be allowed to visit this chat network. is that so? [13:02] Whether that be the Ubuntu IRC council, Freenode or the Ubuntu Community council. [13:03] one moment, brb [13:03] take your time [13:05] popey: i joined #ubuntu-uk and you could have simple asked me to leave, because you dont like me for whatever reason. instead you used a ban and told me to go to #ubuntu-ops, where i was treated bad and banned with the comment to go to #ubuntu-irc where i was treated bad and banned [13:06] the reason seems to be that i used to have beef with christel many years ago, which was escalated by multiple people do some massive IRC drama [13:07] there is 2 questions: what benefit do you personally have, when i constantly fall from the network? [13:07] and why is it so hard to keep problems on the smallest possible level? [13:08] what i did to christel was not right. but you cant imagine how often i paid for that already [13:09] so when that is sorted out that i was punished often enough for some private conflict that happened years ago, the next problem to sort out is, that my personality obviously causes discomfort [13:10] there is nothing wrong by telling me, that i am not liked [13:10] you are not liked [13:10] there is also nothing wrong by giving me instructions how to do better [13:10] the complaint from me is how that is communicated [13:11] the less violence is involved, the easier i can accept it [13:12] my main problem is, that i unwillingly play the black sheep for a few people who are pretty close to anti social personality disorder [13:12] and i cant fix that all alone [13:12] you could start by not insulting me every time I see you [13:12] how did i insult you, as that was not my plan, please? [13:12] 12:56:57 < sordith> if popey had style and a stable personality, he could easily fix the problem he caused, by telling me something simple like "sorry for causing harm, lets move on" [13:13] how is that insulting to you? [13:13] calling me unstable [13:13] i admit that can hurt feelings of a sensible and sensitive person, but i dont find that insulting [13:13] cause i did not call you unstable [13:13] you implied it [13:14] I'm not going to waste my sunday afternoon arguing that [13:14] i made that a condition, that if you are stable and if you have style, then you manage to fix a problem that you caused [13:14] Anyway, I have already said what I think you should do [13:15] and i dont plan to go harassing you all sunday about small, not important details. all i wanted is to solve the dispute between you and me [13:15] take it to the irc council, cc or freenode [13:15] but i also dont plan to esclate this problem further by writing mails or contacting other people [13:15] stalemate then [13:15] so you are not willing to keep small problems as small as possible? [13:16] I am not willing to waste my sunday afternoon discussing something which could be resolved by a 3rd party [13:16] i am quite sorry then, because the Code of Conduct that you signed as Ubuntu Developer should enable you, to keep problems that _you_ cause simple and small, without unnecessary escalation === atoponce is now known as encryptz [13:17] this is a necessary escalation IMO [13:17] and its quite scary that i have to lecture you on your guidelines [13:17] you dont [13:17] you think you do [13:17] but you dont [13:19] i just need to move on and go at risk that you do again, what you did on #ubuntu-uk with me, running me then through #ubuntu-ops and #ubuntu-irc to get more and more beatings, only to give you the feeling you helped to punish somebody for something you dont even know? [13:20] I apologise for telling you to go to #ubuntu-ops, that was merely a mistake of mine, not realising which channel dealt with these issues [13:20] I should have directed you to #ubuntu-irc it seems [13:20] accepted, and i appologize for all the mistakes i did which affected you directly or indirectly [13:20] you can be sure that i will keep working on my personality problems [13:21] you can also be sure that i will do my best to be an advocate of the Freenode Policy and the Freenode Guidelines [13:33] have a good day you all [14:27] anyone with ops here? [14:28] I do yes. [14:29] PriceChild, see -ops [14:29] PriceChild, actually now just mute the other one [14:29] please [14:31] PriceChild, you now have two live bots here - please mute ubotu [14:31] !test [14:31] Fbiled. [14:32] thanks [14:32] PriceChild, now you know - we will never know :) === RoninX341 is now known as etank [21:03] hello there [21:03] anyone there [21:03] ok then [21:13] wow a whole 30 seconds [21:16] nalioth: thats a long time for some people [21:19] I IRC at relativistic speeds! [21:20] :) [21:25] he probably was on a spaceship