[00:04] <PriceChild> Something ironic about that mneptok?
[00:13] <Seeker`> morning
[00:32] <PriceChild> !test
[00:33] <ubotu> Failed.
[00:34] <nickrud> mneptok: you have a perverse sense of humor ;)
[00:36] <PriceChild> !test
[00:36] <ubotu> Failed.
[00:36] <PriceChild> @btlogin
[00:36] <PriceChild> I think its ready to go back in.
[00:53] <Seeker`> more problems with ubotu?
[00:58] <nalioth> Seeker`: did you unplug it?
[00:58] <Seeker`> not that I know of#
[00:58] <Seeker`> come to think of it, I dont know what all the plugs in my room are actually plugged in to
[00:59]  * Seeker` aspires to actually lose a computer one day - have it respond to ping etc., but not be able to work out where exactly it is
[01:16] <Mez> Seeker`, i've done that
[01:16] <Mez> found it eventually though
[01:16] <Mez> but that was at my old workplace
[01:16] <Seeker`> Mez: Where was it?
[01:16] <Mez> where there were about 15 rooms it could have been in
[01:17] <Mez> It was eventually found in the boiler room (which is where the first internet connection was put in)
[01:17] <Seeker`> heh
[01:17] <Mez> I think it might have been put in there to keep the ISDN line as a backup net thing
[01:17] <Mez> was strange though - we hadnt used that room in over a year
[01:17] <Mez> hehe
[01:18] <Mez> i also now have to be careful i dont do the same with my eee
[01:18] <Mez> anyways, i've got a food delivery coming at 10am so I should head to bed.
[01:18] <Mez> Night all
[01:18] <Seeker`> nn
[01:56] <LjL> indygunfreak has been around so long and says such stupid things more often than not, that i get suspicious about him
[02:10] <Seeker`> isn't mark shuttleworth a cosmonaught?
[02:11] <nalioth> yes, he was
[02:11] <Seeker`> (instead of being an astronaught)
[02:13] <jdong> Seeker`: what's the difference?
[02:13] <jdong> AFAIK it's just russian vs American terminology, right?
[02:13] <Seeker`> I think one is being sent up by russians, the other by americans
[02:13] <jdong> same thing
[02:13] <jdong> they both do the same thing
[02:14] <Seeker`> yeah
[02:15] <Seeker`> but there is a difference :)
[02:17] <LjL> ubotu is muted in #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic and #kubuntu-kde4, unmute when it's working again, some of you should be able to make ubotwo part as well, i'm going to bed
[02:17] <Seeker`> whats wrong with it atm?
[02:23] <nalioth> Seeker`: you were saying?
[02:27] <PriceChild> LjL: grrr had to be muted again? I unmuted earlier as sit seemed fine
[02:27] <PriceChild> beds
[02:37] <Seeker`> nalioth: what is causing the problems with ubotu?
[02:45] <nalioth> Seeker`: i have no clue
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah
[03:06] <Hobbsee> er, jussi01: yeah
[03:13] <Jucato> :P
[08:10] <PriceChild> I don't trust irssi's netsplit handling yet, tis weird.
[08:11] <Myrtti> I've trusted it until recently
[08:12] <Myrtti> and I've been using irssi since 2003
[08:12] <Myrtti> no, 2002
[08:16] <PriceChild> :P
[08:23] <Myrtti> no but really
[08:23] <Myrtti> I saw the weirdest crash on IRCnet couple of days ago
[08:23] <Myrtti> started out as a netsplit (or that what irssi thought it was)
[08:24] <Myrtti> and people ended up joining with their alt nicks, those with straight ip-addresses to connect to servers faster than those with FQDN:s
[10:48] <ompaul> !test | ompaul
[11:12] <Amaranth> wow, slow night
[11:12] <Amaranth> no one called for ops at all in the last 8 hours?
[11:13] <Seveaz> that's good :)
[11:13] <ompaul> Amaranth, the bot is so lagggggggggggggggggged
[11:13] <Amaranth> hrm, my connection is broken
[11:14] <ompaul> I did !test 20 mins ago
[11:15] <Seveaz> ompaul: I can't fix it right now, my connection is mostly blocked because of a cracker. Only https (hence mibbit) works
[11:15] <ompaul> Seveaz, np
[11:17] <Myrtti> hmmm
[11:24] <gary4gar> where is ubotu?
[11:31] <Myrtti> sick
[11:31] <Myrtti> hi fiosse, how can we help you today?
[11:31] <fiosse> hi Myrtti 
[11:31] <fiosse> how to mask my id ?
[11:33] <fiosse> what the message it appear ?
[11:33] <gary4gar> fiosse, better Join #freenode & ask there
[11:34] <fiosse> thx gary4gar 
[12:00] <Myrtti> gary4gar: anything else we can do?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ubotu's down?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> hm, why is Seveaz connecting from there?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> seems alive
[12:02] <Hobbsee> oh, i'm delayed
[12:02] <jussi01> Hobbsee: [03/09/08 13:12:53] < Seveaz> ompaul: I can't fix it right now, my connection is mostly blocked because of a cracker. Only https (hence mibbit) works
[12:02] <Hobbsee> ugh
[12:02] <Hobbsee> just use one of the replacement bots then
[12:03] <jussi01> heh, ubotwo is in #k and #u but not here
[12:03] <Hobbsee> ah yse
[12:03] <gary4gar> what about other channels?
[12:04] <jussi01> gary4gar: /whois ubotwo
[12:05] <jussi01> Hobbsee: I have ubot5 on standby if needed - just say the word
[12:05]  * Hobbsee has priceybot as well
[12:06] <Hobbsee> gary4gar: where else did you want it?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> +1, i guess
[12:06] <Seveaz> Hobbsee: I'm on mibbit, only https works for me
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Seveaz: dodgy.  any eta on fixing/
[12:06] <gary4gar> Hobbsee, nothing, I am Leaving :)
[12:07] <Seveaz> hobbsee, depends on xs4all abuse desk
[12:07] <Hobbsee> ugh
[12:07] <Seveaz> (aka, could be wednesday, I'm off for three days starting tomorrow)
[12:07]  * Hobbsee wonders what xs4all is
[12:07] <Seveaz> my isp
[12:08] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:08] <Hobbsee> ...
[12:09] <Hobbsee> strange guy.
[12:09] <Seveaz> woo, found a route
[12:10] <Seveaz> ubotu might be back soon
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Seveaz: if it's going to be dead, tehn replace it with one of it's backups
[12:11] <Seveaz> can someone /whois ubotu and see if he's joining channels?
[12:11] <Myrtti> sure
[12:11] <Myrtti> hm, my whois is lagging
[12:11] <Seveaz> mibbit's /whois doesn't show channels
[12:12] <Hobbsee> is slowly going, it appears
[12:12] <Seveaz> ah, he's joining
[12:12] <Myrtti> neither am I getting them
[12:12] <Seveaz> yeah, can take up to 15 minutes to get fully synced
[12:12] <Seveaz> so ubotu will be back soon, but no idea when exactly
[12:20] <Seveaz> !ops | I'm bacj!
[12:20] <Seveaz> back*
[12:21] <ubotu> I'm bacj!: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[12:21] <ubotu> Seveaz called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (I'm bacj!)
[12:21]  * jussi01 hugs ubotu 
[12:21] <Hobbsee> oh goody
[12:21] <Amaranth> lag again?
[12:21]  * Amaranth hugs ubotu
[12:21] <Amaranth> !ping
[12:21] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[12:21] <jussi01> Amaranth: thats only -offtopic isnt it?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> !ding
[12:22] <ubotu> dong
[12:22] <Hobbsee> ding dong, the witch is dead!
[12:22] <Seveaz> !jding
[12:22] <ubotu> jplease see above
[12:22] <Seveaz> lol :)
[12:22] <jussi01> will i now kick ubotwo from #k?
[12:23] <Seveaz> not yet
[12:23] <jussi01> k
[12:23] <Seveaz> !moo
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <Seveaz> yeah, it's quick enough
[12:23] <Seveaz> kick the -2
[12:24] <jussi01> done from #k
[12:27] <Seveaz> bbl
[12:39] <jussi01> hmmm...
[12:40] <jussi01> ubotu isnt working now in #k...
[12:45] <Seeker`> no response in -uk either - I sent a !ping about 3 mins ago
[12:46]  * jussi01 cries
[12:53] <Myrtti>  should someone do something about -i
[13:04] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, icesword said: ubotu, who is ubotwo
[13:04] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, picard_pwns_kirk said: !ubotwo is ubotu's alter ego.
[13:04] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, icesword said: ubotu is good,ubotwo is bad
[13:08] <Seveaz> could someone unban mibbit from -offtopic for today?
[13:14] <Myrtti> should I keep my fingers off from what's going on at -irc
[13:17] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[13:37] <Seveaz> who's been messing with the ubotu?
[13:37] <Seveaz> !ops
[13:37] <Seveaz> offtopic people say things were added yesterday, who was poking at it?
[13:38] <Jack_Sparrow> THey were up and down all day yesterday
[13:38]  * Gary hurts Seveaz for highlighting one of his highlights
[13:38] <Dave2> Seveaz, can't you do it yourself?
[13:38] <Seveaz> Dave2: no, my connection is semi-dead, only https
[13:38] <Seveaz> I was at my mother inlaw before, where I could ssh
[13:38] <Dave2> /cs invite #ubuntu-offtopic should let you in
[13:39] <Dave2> I think that overrides bans, anyway.
[13:39] <Seveaz> I'm going to have to kill people
[13:40] <Seveaz> I'll be back on wednesday, until then: no ubotu
[13:40]  * jussi01 walks in from lunch...
[13:43] <tonyyarusso> bah Jack_Sparrow, I was almost done typing...  :P  Thought it might be good to warn the guy that his question is against Freenode policies in addition to just #ubuntu's
[13:43] <PriceChild> why not just a +e on *!?=53a0071a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/* if he want to get in on mibbit?
[13:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry
[13:44] <Jack_Sparrow> I am pretty sure he knew that
[13:45] <tonyyarusso> prolly
[13:45] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: hrm?  Identifying should be enough.
[13:45] <Myrtti> hrmmhhhmmm
[13:45] <Myrtti> is it really the factoid adding
[13:46] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso: so why was he asking for the ban removed? :/
[13:46] <PriceChild> and yes that should be enough
[13:46] <PriceChild> factoid additions have done this?!
[13:46] <Dave2> ah, yes, and being cloaked helps.
[13:46]  * Dave2 clearly isn't awake enough yet
[13:50] <tonyyarusso> lol....  Clearly, me directing !pm | you means you should choose me to pm, right?
[13:57] <stdin> hmm, shouldn't ubotwo be in here
[13:58] <jussi01> stdin: I was thinking the same thing
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[13:58] <ubotu> Seveaz called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[13:58] <stdin> wiw
[13:58] <stdin> *wow
[13:59] <tonyyarusso> what?
[13:59] <jussi01> hehe
[13:59] <Myrtti> he LLLLLags
[13:59] <PriceChild> :D
[13:59] <tonyyarusso> by 20 minutes?  for real?
[13:59] <jussi01> yep
[13:59] <jussi01> yay
[13:59] <stdin> who want's to un-mute ubotwo then
[14:00] <stdin> ooh, ubotu is coming back too
[14:00] <Myrtti> ubotu joined -irc
[14:00] <Dave2> fail
[14:00] <jussi01> doesnt mean that it will be responsive
[14:00] <stdin> let's see if it falls over
[14:00] <ompaul> !danger | jussi01 
[14:00] <jussi01> just dont anybody use it for a while
[14:00] <ompaul> there ya go 
[14:00] <ompaul> slow as whatever
[14:01] <jussi01> let it recover and join channels
[14:01] <jussi01> it takes about 15 min to join its 76 channels...
[14:02] <Myrtti> is it really the factoid adding that made him sluggish?
[14:02] <Myrtti> and should people in -ot be said not to harass him unnecessarily?
[14:02] <ubotu> jussi01: DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!
[14:03] <Myrtti> I think I will
[14:03] <ompaul> Myrtti, ban him from -offtopic
[14:03] <jussi01> yeah, restrict it to important channels
[14:03] <ompaul> but then we don't get to log who was banned
[14:03] <ompaul> hmmm
[14:03] <ompaul> then it is -ot does it matter
[14:04] <ompaul> arrr
[14:05] <Myrtti> decide please
[14:05] <Myrtti> or better yet
[14:05] <Myrtti> I'll take the responsibility
[14:07] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: feel free to warn people about bot abuse - many don't realize that it adds significant strain.
[14:08] <Myrtti> should I remove the ubotu ban?
[14:09] <Myrtti> if we all play nicely, I could keep track of the bans for today atleast
[14:09] <tonyyarusso> eh, dunno.  Maybe leave it at least until it's finished joining channels or whatever, then remove in a few minutes.
[14:10] <Myrtti> if there's any problem at ot and the bans because of this, I take full responsibility. You can all blame me, since I'm the bitch.
[14:10] <jussi01> hmmm, we have a repeat in #k ... ubotu is laggy while ubotwo is quick. 
[14:10]  * jussi01 hugggles Myrtti 
[14:10] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: You'll just have to knit us all mittens.
[14:11] <jussi01> thanks stdin, Wasnt really sure which one to go with. 
[14:11] <stdin> I can tell ubotwo what to do, but I wouldn't be able to get ubotu to re-join if I removed it
[14:11] <PriceChild> don't kick ubotu, just mute
[14:11] <jussi01> ok
[14:12] <PriceChild> btw... "I can't fix it right now, my connection is mostly blocked because of a cracker." - as in nasty person attacking him?
[14:14] <stdin> I think ubotu's catching up, lags going down to normal
[14:14] <tonyyarusso> Perhaps this is a little out there, but I'm inclined not to necessarily believe anything said, since not identified.  At least with a grain of salt, perhaps.
[14:15] <PriceChild> ah yes... wasn't identified the first time, and ip was different
[14:15] <PriceChild> We'll find out when he gets back :)
[14:19] <ompaul> jussi01, we know and we know it was
[14:19] <jussi01> ompaul: ?
[14:20] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, PriceChild ehh I had a word on the side with him - I trust the info given 
[14:21] <ompaul> read not write
[14:21] <ompaul> heh
[14:22] <ompaul> LjL, can we have a backup bot please
[14:22] <jussi01> ompaul: ubotwo is here
[14:22] <ompaul> !ahh
[14:22] <jussi01> just needs unmuting. 
[14:22] <ompaul> woops
[14:22] <ompaul> !danger
[14:23] <ompaul> okay I wonder just how much out of sync it is
[14:23] <ompaul> should be useful
[14:23] <jussi01> hrm
[14:23] <Jucato> !ping
[14:23] <ubotwo> pong
[14:23] <Jucato> very much :)
[14:25] <ompaul> PriceChild, LjL Myrtti and anyone who is interested -- I have muted ubotu in #ubuntu
[14:25] <PriceChild> gd gd
[14:25] <ompaul> ubotwo is in action 
[14:25] <ompaul> going to do the same in +1
[14:28] <ompaul> PriceChild, got ops in -irc?
[14:28] <ompaul> if so op me for a moment I'll invite ubotwo and mute ubotu
[14:28] <ompaul> unless you can
[14:29] <jussi01> ompaul: all ubuntu members have ops in -irc
[14:29] <ompaul> jussi01, hehe well there is a comment ni there now
[14:30] <jussi01> :)
[14:30] <ompaul> jussi01, see my request in there please mute ubotu
[14:31] <ompaul> jussi01, I don't have ops there
[14:32] <ompaul> please do what I asked to be done there before I feel obliged to remove ubotwo
[14:32] <ompaul> we can't have two bots live at the same time
[14:32] <jussi01> ompaul: gah, my bad, walked away to grab a drink, sorry
[14:32] <ompaul> job done
[14:33] <jussi01> yep
[14:33] <stdin> need someone to do #ubuntu-devel -motu and #kubuntu-devel too
[14:33] <ompaul> MARK --- heads up on the bots front
[14:35] <stdin> someone keep an eye on heng in #k, I have to step away for a while and they just unloaded an ungodly paste in there
[14:35] <jussi01> stdin: Ill watch him
[14:38] <ompaul> I just did !ops in -devel and then only then did the lag thing occur to me
[14:39] <ompaul> fun
[14:39] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: 'k
[14:39] <PriceChild> :P
[14:39] <ompaul> does anyone else want to take on either kubuntu-devel or motu?
[14:39] <ompaul> PriceChild, <bad words here>
[14:40] <PriceChild> ompaul: i have access in -motu somehow...
[14:40] <PriceChild> Who can put ubotwo in there?
[14:40] <ompaul> I can
[14:40] <AndrewB> hello Gary 
[14:41] <ompaul> PriceChild, should be there now
[14:41]  * Gary hurts AndrewB 
[14:41] <PriceChild> liquid football
[14:41] <ompaul> PriceChild, that work for you?
[14:41] <PriceChild> ,seems good
[14:42] <jussi01> ompaul: kubuntu-devel is dead today, I wouldnt bother
[14:42] <ompaul> jussi01, it will be like that til wed
[14:43] <jussi01> ompaul: ahh, none of the ops are around atm. 
[14:44] <ompaul> jussi01, well ask them to come here and have one 
[14:44] <ompaul> so they can have a working bot of sorts
[14:44] <ompaul> cos the other one is dead
[14:44] <ompaul> to all intensive purposes
[14:48] <LjL> hm?
[14:48] <LjL> ubotu's still ill?
[14:49] <jussi01> yes, quite so
[14:49] <Myrtti> sick as a puppy
[14:49] <PriceChild> sick as a sick puppy
[14:52] <LjL> so ubotu needs muting somewhere?
[14:53] <ompaul> LjL, kubuntu-devel
[14:53] <ompaul> -devel
[14:53] <LjL> meh
[14:53] <LjL> ubo*two* is muted there
[14:53] <LjL> i can make ubotu part
[14:53] <LjL> but that doesn't help unmuting ubotwo
[14:54] <ompaul> LjL, no we don't want it to part
[14:54] <ompaul> we want it muted
[14:54] <ompaul> LjL, the logic is thus - it is going to log anyway
[14:54] <LjL> ompaul: well i can't mute it. what difference does it make if it just parts?
[14:54] <ompaul> so we get our bantracker
[14:54] <LjL> ompaul, log? it's not ubotu that logs
[14:54] <LjL> ompaul, i don't think the bantracker is working at all (it definitely missed my bans yesterday), and anyway how many bans are there in k-devel?
[14:55] <ompaul> it might be useful if we really need it
[14:55] <ompaul> I would say mute it and let it lag - it is being attached
[14:55] <LjL> do we know by whom?
[14:55] <LjL> i guess not
[14:55] <ompaul> LjL, and much easier to get reset
[14:55] <ompaul> no 
[14:56] <ompaul> if we did they would be allowed on the interweb offramp 
[14:56] <LjL> i might be able to patch that
[14:56] <LjL> !test
[14:56] <ubotwo> Fbiled.
[14:57] <LjL> it's pretty fast right now
[14:57] <LjL> !test
[14:57] <LjL> !ping
[14:57] <ubotwo> pong
[14:57] <LjL> or at least, it in in privmsg
[14:57] <LjL> !ping
[14:57] <LjL> !test
[14:57] <ubotwo> Fbiled.
[14:59] <ompaul> LjL, it keeps going out to 20 mins
[15:00] <ompaul> has been doing so since yesterday
[15:01] <ompaul> LjL, PriceChild Myrtti nalioth and anyone else these are the channels so far covered
[15:01] <LjL> Gary: around?
[15:02] <Myrtti> huh
[15:03] <ompaul> LjL, ?
[15:03] <Myrtti> should I unban ubotu from -ot
[15:03] <LjL> no
[15:04] <ompaul> LjL, so what is with the CRTL C
[15:04] <LjL> just checking config
[15:04] <Gary> LjL: im not that round, more like a sausage shape
[15:05] <ompaul> LjL, here is where I had put it
[15:05] <ompaul> offtopic
[15:05] <ompaul> ops
[15:05] <ompaul> ubuntu
[15:05] <ompaul> ubuntu-motu
[15:05] <ompaul> +1
[15:05] <LjL> Gary, this time i even went to such lengths as to include the leading "a"... anyway, can you by any chance op me in #kubuntu-devel?
[15:05] <ompaul> -classroom
[15:05] <Gary> LjL: I cannot do that
[15:05] <ompaul> -irc
[15:05] <Gary> ask tomaw ?
[15:06] <PriceChild> Gary: but ljl is ubuntu contact?
[15:06] <ompaul> PriceChild, that is not the issue
[15:06] <ompaul> LjL, ask denny
[15:06] <Gary> but I have not got super powas pricey
[15:06] <PriceChild> ahhh ok
[15:06] <LjL> PriceChild, he doesn't have the powah :P
[15:07] <Gary> I only have dweeb powas
[15:07] <LjL> eh...
[15:07] <LjL> that was not me
[15:07] <LjL> INFO 2008-03-09T16:07:34 Error message from freenode: Ping sent at
[15:07] <LjL>      2008-03-09T16:05:34 not replied to.
[15:07] <LjL> darn supybot
[15:10] <LjL> jesus christ
[15:10] <LjL> i find it rude to just PM staff
[15:10] <LjL> since i thought #freenode should be there for that
[15:10] <LjL> if only people minded their own business
[15:11] <Gary> LjL: yeah
[15:11] <LjL> ok
[15:11] <LjL> there is something fishy here
[15:11] <jussi01> LjL: I have ubot5 on standby if need be. 
[15:12] <LjL> jussi01, i suspect it may end up doing the same thing, somehow... why wasn't ubotwo doing this five minutes ago?
[15:13] <jussi01> yes, bit weird,  I agree
[15:14] <ompaul> LjL, can you get it to join a specific server i.e. one that it is not on atm next time it quits ;-)
[15:15] <LjL> ompaul: not on atm?
[15:15] <ompaul> at the moment
[15:15] <ompaul> i.e. join a different sever on next quit
[15:16] <LjL> ompaul, well it joins irc.freenode.net, so shouldn't it cycle random servers already?
[15:16] <ompaul> na it will go to a short haul ping but it seems to be getting somewhere it is not comfortable
[15:17] <LjL> sigh, yeah
[15:17] <LjL> i'll join it to calvino
[15:18] <ompaul> k
[15:18] <LjL> ah it already connects to calvino
[15:18] <LjL> then i'll connect it to irc. :)
[15:19] <ompaul> heheh
[15:19] <LjL> !test
[15:20] <ompaul> !test
[15:20] <ubotwo> Fbiled.
[15:23] <LjL> it just takes too frigging long to join all channels for some reason
[15:23] <LjL> hopefully not an artificial reason
[15:23] <ompaul> tell it to join the server and nothing else
[15:23] <LjL> INFO 2008-03-09T16:22:59 Join to ##ljl on freenode synced in 168.11 seconds.
[15:24] <ompaul> we can add channels one per second
[15:24] <LjL> ompaul, it does much much less than one per second
[15:24] <ompaul> LjL, leave it off for 2 mions
[15:24] <LjL> more like one per 30 seconds
[15:25] <ompaul> LjL, can you clear its auto join list to three channels
[15:25] <ompaul> here ubuntu and ljl
[15:25] <ompaul> then we can add them one at a time
[15:25] <LjL> yeah i'm doing just that
[15:26] <ompaul> LjL, then say when you are ready we can add them reallllllly slowly
[15:27] <LjL> besides i don't quite understand the "server PING not replied to" thing
[15:27] <LjL> since when does freenode sends more than one ping per week =)
[15:28] <Seeker`> so both ubotu and ubotwo are playing up?
[15:28] <ompaul> differently 
[15:28] <LjL> Seeker`: ubotwo is just on too many channels for its liking i think
[15:28] <Seeker`> who runs ubotwo?
[15:29] <LjL> me
[15:29] <Seeker`> connection / box too slow to cope with it?
[15:31] <LjL> Seeker`: more like supybot having terrible throttling
[15:31] <LjL> is it everywhere yet?
[15:35] <ompaul> LjL, no 
[15:35] <ompaul> it is not in -classroom
[15:36] <ompaul> ljl I was wrong
[15:36] <LjL> it is
[15:36] <ompaul> LjL, see my previous comment
[19:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Any other ops here..  <Simulation> just rm -fr /*             
[19:18] <jdong> I don't understand what the * is for.
[19:18] <jdong> does he just not want to wipe out the XFS defragger metadata in /.xfs-fsr?
[19:19] <stdin> just warn them that doing that is not acceptable and that, if they do it again, it's grounds for banning/removal
[19:19] <Jack_Sparrow> jdong, I muted him as I was unsure.. He joined, and in the first minute posted that in resonse to no one..
[19:19] <stdin> oh, then join and do it? then remove/ban
[19:20] <stdin> it's more likely a troll than not in that case
[19:21] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, where ubuntu?
[19:21] <Jack_Sparrow> YEs
[19:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Jack_Sparrow> May I ask why you posted that in the channel
 it was a joke man
 only to make fun
[19:24] <ompaul> ahh we shall have fun now
[19:24] <stdin> to that I tend to respond "so you think it's funny to make people loose all their data?"
[19:24] <stdin> and wait for the "umm, err, well, no" response
[19:24] <Jack_Sparrow> I have in pm , want me to ask him to come here and explain or just ban him
[19:25] <ompaul> incoming
[19:25] <ompaul> I ban forwarded him to here
[19:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok..
[19:25] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, that is a !ops if you are unsure
[19:26] <stdin> he is an op anywho ;)
[19:26] <ompaul> stdin, not an issue he can still ask
[19:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Didnt want to wake everyone.. just those of us that were already here
[19:26] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, never fear asking me if I am here
[19:26] <ompaul> if here hth
[19:26] <ompaul> back in a mo
[19:26] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[19:26] <stdin> if you're unsure then we won't mind (or at least I won't)
[19:26] <Pici> Never fear! ompaul is here!
 1. there is absolutely nothign to discuss
 2. is your sexual life so boring ?
 3. if you still want to discuss tell me your phone number and we can talk
[19:30] <ompaul> Pici, the pun maker
[19:30] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, ignore
[19:30] <ompaul> conversation is over
[19:30] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[19:30] <ompaul> resist the urge to reply 
[19:32] <Jack_Sparrow> HE is heading to Gentoo anyhow..:)
[19:32] <Jack_Sparrow> I need to leave in a sec.. wife wants me to go look at a house she wants to buy
[20:08] <ubotwo> eth01 called the ops in #ubuntu
[20:10] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: btw, wxPython was on my hilights due to a removal for language yesterday, under a different nick.
[20:11] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, interesting 
[20:11] <ompaul> and noted
[20:14] <stdin> LjL, or anyone with access in +1, are you watching them in +1 too?
[20:14] <stdin> nvm, tonyyarusso ;)
[20:15] <tonyyarusso> stdin: yeah, and apparently ubotwo isn't totally synced - LjL, what's the db schedule for it?
[20:15] <LjL> tonyyarusso: there is none
[20:15] <tonyyarusso> LjL: oh.  I thought you had a weekly rsync or something
[20:16] <LjL> tonyyarusso: wheere it *is* synced, it's just because it's in here lurking and snarfing factoid changes
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> LjL: I see.
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> so what date is it accurate up through?
[20:16] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i had a weekly wget, i've stopped that though because of some problems
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> ah
[20:17] <LjL> tonyyarusso: no idea. i can run an update now
[20:17] <tonyyarusso> might be a good idea
[20:37] <Aranel> #kubuntu-offtopic and #kubuntu-devel says i'm banned. Why? I didnt talk in this channels.
[20:37] <Aranel> I think its a ranged ban and It effects me too.
[20:40] <LjL> Aranel: are you quite sure you're banned in #kubuntu-offtopic?
[20:40] <stdin> I don't see any ban on you in either channels
[20:41] <Aranel> [474] #kubuntu-offtopic You're banned from that channel
[20:41] <Aranel> [474] #kubuntu-devel You're banned from that channel
[20:42] <stdin> was this just now?
[20:42] <Aranel> yes, i can join them in last 24 hours.
[20:44] <ompaul> Aranel, ehh what is your ip (pm me if you are not comfortable with it in a public place)
[20:44] <ompaul> Aranel, try to join -devel 
[20:44] <Aranel> ompaul: still says banned.
[20:44] <ompaul> sorry -offtopic
[20:44] <Aranel> 88.232.248.107
[20:45] <Aranel> i cant join it too.
[20:45] <LjL> why is 88.232 banned? it's the turkish spammers, yes, but it's also many legitimate users
[20:45] <ompaul> ahh now
[20:45] <nalioth> i'd not go "many"
[20:46] <nalioth> in fact, i've only seen . . . . Aranel 
[20:46] <LjL> i've seen quite a few
[20:46] <Aranel> :/
[20:46] <LjL> i have 88.232 on highlight
[20:46] <LjL> i see them daily
[20:47] <LjL> 3 feb 2007
[20:47] <LjL> The Turkish spammers haven't been around for a while, and there have been genuine users trying to join from this address class. Probably best to redirect to #ubuntu-ops if abuse happens again 
[20:47] <LjL> LjL, Apr 22 2007 13:07:32
[20:49] <Aranel> unban me in -devel please :)
[20:49]  * stdin lacks the super mad cow powers in -devel
[20:49] <ompaul> stdin, I am in that club
[20:49] <LjL> me too
[20:49] <ompaul> the no powers in kubuntu
[20:50] <LjL> was opped earlier today, but had to ask that to christel
[20:50] <LjL> and i'm not doing that again
[20:50] <ubotwo> LjL called the ops in #kubuntu-devel
[20:51] <stdin> unless Hobbsee Mez or Tm_T are here, then we're stuck
[20:51] <LjL> precisely
[20:51] <stdin> I'm pretty sure riddell is away this weekend too, so he can't help
[20:51] <ompaul> Aranel, do you understand the position we are in - some of us don't have access to that channel 
[20:52] <ompaul> we mostly do stuff in #ubuntu
[20:52] <Aranel> ompaul: oh ok, -devel isnt very important for me
[20:52] <LjL> we could ask staff, if staff was in the access list :)
[20:52] <nalioth> oooh, not nice
[20:52] <Aranel> but can you add a bug report etc. for this situation ?
[20:52] <nalioth> not nice at all
[20:52] <tonyyarusso> Aranel: well, there isn't a bug target of "irc channels", so not really.
[20:53] <Aranel> LjL: thanks :)
[20:53] <LjL> nalioth: not nice is having to request +o in a channel because of things like this twice in a day
[20:53] <tonyyarusso> Aranel: at worst, there's a mailing list it could be sent to, but chances are about 97% that one of those people will be reachable via IRC in the next 24 hours, and will likely respond to that faster than e-mail anyway.
[20:53] <nalioth> not nice calling the ops there
[20:54] <LjL> nalioth: yeah i know that's what you meant.
[20:54] <stdin> I'll have to poke riddell about adding staff (and maybe some others) to the list, when he gets back
[20:54] <nalioth> stdin: huh?
[20:54] <LjL> stdin: i've sent a memoserv to haggai about that.
[20:55] <stdin> LjL: is haggai still active?
[20:55] <LjL> was online relatively recently according to nickserv
[20:55] <LjL> he's contact anyway
[20:55] <stdin> nalioth: adding freenode/staff to the kubuntu-devel access list
[20:55] <nalioth> stdin: why?
[20:55] <stdin> LjL: I haven't seen them in -devel in, umm, ever
[20:55] <LjL> nalioth: so i won't have to ask christel for ops again?
[20:55] <stdin> nalioth: just in case an op isn't about and we need one
[20:56] <LjL> stdin: well he's #kubuntu contact too for that matter.
[20:56] <nalioth> stdin: anyone on the irc council can ask for ops on any  #*buntu* channel
[20:56] <Myrtti> erm, atleast we we're told about six months ago that *!*@freenode/staff/* should be given op rights on all ubuntu channels?
[20:56] <Myrtti> and by we I mean Finns
[20:57] <LjL> nalioth: yeah, look at the soap opera in #freenode after i did that (not the staff's fault, but the trolls'). and anyway gary or anyone could have done it if staff were in the access list.
[20:57] <LjL> staff should be in the access list.
[20:57] <LjL> Myrtti: yes.
[20:57] <nalioth> LjL: gary or anyone could op you there, too
[20:57] <LjL> nalioth: no, gary can't
[20:57] <stdin> nalioth: but what if a council member isn't about and we get a flood bot or something, then a staffer can at least mute them and wait for a real op. if staff aren't on the list they won't get involved right? (as a matter of policy)
[20:58] <ompaul> LjL, that will most likely be history in a moment 
[20:58] <PriceChild> stdin: they will if the contact asks. However not all staff can randomly op everywhere.
[20:58] <nalioth> stdin: i suspect #*buntu* policies are known to the staff  (as in "you're welcome to operate where necessary")
[20:59]  * ompaul has had enough for today 
[20:59] <LjL> there is no reason why freenode/staff shouldn't be in the access list.
[20:59] <ompaul> cheers all 
[21:01] <stdin> LjL: [21:00]<ubotwo> File kernel-image-2.4 found in sh:, apt-file:, command, not, found 
[21:02] <stdin> you should probably disable !find and !info
[21:02] <Seeker`> why can t all staff op anywhere?
[21:03] <LjL> stdin, !info kind-of works now i think
[21:03] <LjL> find, hm, used to work
[21:03] <PriceChild> Seeker`: probably in the same way you haven't got access to change levels in channels where you have ops
[21:03] <LjL> !find
[21:03] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[21:03] <stdin> LjL: it says apt-file isn't installed
[21:03] <LjL> yeah i see that
[21:03] <Seeker`> PriceChild: But I thought that was the point of stff
[21:04] <LjL> it's not installed indeed, it was two days ago, *shrug*
[21:04] <LjL> Seeker`: no
[21:04] <Dave2> Different staffers have different permissions.
[21:04] <LjL> Seeker`: staff don't mess with channel business unless they know they're supposed to
[21:04] <Dave2> Hyperion is very flexible in terms of permissions.
[21:05] <LjL> and not having them in the access list is a good way to make them suspect they're not supposed to
[21:06] <Seeker`> so if someone from the irc council says it ok, they still wont if they aren't int he access list?
[21:06] <LjL> Seeker`: they will, if they have the necessary privileges to begin with
[21:06] <LjL> anyway
[21:06] <Seeker`> so how many "levels" of staff are there?
[21:07] <LjL> i don't see what's so damn difficult or absurd or strange in just adding *!*@freenode/staff/* to access lists
[21:07] <LjL> Seeker`: that's their business not mine
[21:07] <LjL> mine is to make sure channels are set up properly
[21:07] <Seeker`> fair enough, i was just asking :)
[21:09] <nalioth> LjL: there is nothing wrong with adding staff to the ACLs
[21:09] <nalioth> LjL: but there are hundreds of #*buntu* offshoot channels (most official)
[21:09] <Myrtti> "delegation"
[21:10] <LjL> nalioth: that's why there is a nifty document telling those channels that they should have freenode/staff in the AL
[21:10] <Myrtti> I'm biting my nails again
[21:16] <nixternal> is the sysadmin channel still around?
[21:16] <LjL> what would that be?
[21:17] <PriceChild> #canonical-sysadmin ?
[21:19] <nixternal> seems that chan is gone
[21:19] <nixternal> interesting
[21:19] <nixternal> on 3 prior joins, nothing
[21:19] <nixternal> thanks PriceChild 
[21:20] <Pici> Better than someone/something biting your nails
[21:52] <Mez> stdin, was k-d sorted?
[21:53] <LjL> yes
[21:53] <Mez> (if theres ever any issue like that, my number is on nickserv, feel free to call/msg me
[21:53] <Mez> (if theres ever any issue like that, my number is on nickserv, feel free to call/msg memez
[21:53] <Seeker`> Mez: had a good day?
[21:53] <LjL> hardly as serious as that
[21:53] <Mez> Seeker`, ?
[21:54] <Mez> LjL, *shrugs* if noones aroun... i'm usually at a pc
[21:54] <Mez> oh, Seeker` lol - something came up today ... gotta wait for tomorrow
[21:54] <Mez> I think i know what you're on about
[21:54] <Mez> LjL, how'd you get ops in the end
[21:55] <Seeker`> Mez: Was just enquiring how you were
[21:55] <LjL> Mez: "i don't know"
[21:55] <Seeker`> Mez: :P
[21:55] <Seeker`> Mez: Bet you are looking forward to tomorrow now
[21:56] <Mez> Seeker`, of course ... v ery much so
[21:56] <Mez> chinese food
[21:56] <Mez> LjL, lol - someone musta opped you
[21:56] <Seeker`> Mez: I had thai food last night - good food, terrible service
[21:56] <Seeker`> we were there for 4 hours for a 2 course meal
[21:56] <LjL> Mez: i think someone has
[21:57] <Mez> Seeker`, i havent had chinese in ages... her suggestion. *shrugs8 last time was great food and the best prawn crackers EVER
[21:57] <Mez> but were getting takeaway
[21:57] <Seeker`> cool
[21:57] <Mez> LjL, dont forget to remind me to set up that ML tomorrow
[21:58] <Seeker`> Mez: I get to go home to parents cooking next week \o/
[21:58] <Mez> Seeker`, -ot is better
[21:58] <Mez> or /msg
[21:58] <Mez> but ovies back on in a sec
[21:58] <Seeker`> Mez: just saw that
[22:17] <ubotwo> Dr_Willis called the ops in #ubuntu
[22:53] <tonyyarusso> yowsers.  ubotu is still pulling 21 minutes lag in pm for an info.  methinks I'll avoid running those for a few days.
[22:53] <tonyyarusso> I've heard packages.ubuntu.org lags by a bit - anyone know how much?
[22:53] <LjL> tonyyarusso, ubotu is dead as dead flesh
[22:54] <tonyyarusso> LjL: apparently.  What happened anyway?
[22:54] <LjL> tonyyarusso: ask seveas, i've no idea
[22:54] <LjL> might be someone attacking it
[22:54] <tonyyarusso> grr, we really need a better solution to this bot thing
[22:55] <LjL> tonyyarusso, seveas is writing a new one
[22:55] <LjL> without supybot
[22:55] <tonyyarusso> LjL: I meant the hosting, not the program.
[22:56] <tonyyarusso> Something with a) more capacity, b) easier to manage access, and c) better failover (rather than hmm, is LjL around to join ubotwo?)
[22:56] <LjL> tonyyarusso, half of this channel can join ubotwo
[22:56] <LjL> although half of them don't remember they can
[22:56] <tonyyarusso> lol
[22:59] <Myrtti> or know
[23:04] <LjL> look if only it hadn't a different nickname
[23:04] <LjL> about 300 lines a day would be avoided from people making jokes or asking about it
[23:04] <nalioth> LjL: why are the bots talking to invisible people in -read-topic?
[23:05] <LjL> nalioth: because their quarantine has timed out. they haven't been seen around for longer than 15 days.
[23:05] <LjL> that's how the bots keep the banlist clean.
[23:05] <nalioth> ah
[23:27] <Myrtti> magnetron: why did you ctcp version and time me?
[23:28] <Myrtti> aäshha
[23:28] <LjL> Myrtti: wasn't that martiini?
[23:28] <Myrtti> nvm
[23:28] <Myrtti> wrong window, wrong nick comp
[23:28] <LjL> Myrtti: was that martiini or not?
[23:28] <Myrtti> was
[23:29] <Myrtti> just noticed it, he did it like 0121 and 0122
[23:29] <LjL> nalioth, mind having a look at the exchange between me/myrtti and martiini?
[23:29] <LjL> in #ubuntu-offtopic that is