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Kamping_Kaiseredubuntu peoples: has edubuntu gone to the 'ubuntu addon' for 8.04?00:22
Kamping_KaiserLaserJock, morning mate (didnt spot you before)00:22
LaserJockhi00:22
LaserJockEdubuntu 8.04 is shipping an Ubuntu Educational Addon CD00:23
Kamping_Kaiserso the 'installing edubuntu standalone' page that i'm looking at is probably incorrect?00:23
LaserJockyep00:25
Kamping_Kaiserhm.00:26
* Kamping_Kaiser goes to burn ubuntu with the edu expantion pack cds00:26
Kamping_Kaiserbleh. after downloading them :|00:26
Kamping_Kaiserkgoetz, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/8.04/alpha-6/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-6/00:27
Kamping_Kaiserbbs00:27
Kamping_KaiserLaserJock, is someone rewriting it?00:34
LaserJocknot that I know00:35
LaserJockof00:35
LaserJockthe Handbook either00:35
pygiheh, nobody ever wanted to do that00:38
pygiI wish our old team was here :-/00:38
Kamping_Kaiseri'm off to somewhere with a faster internet connection so i can download the edu addon cd. i'll be back as kgoetz in about an hour probably00:38
pygienjoy Kamping_Kaiser00:39
Kamping_Kaiserand i'll look at doing some reworking (after not using docbook for two years...heh)00:39
subsume.00:40
subsumeI just messed up my edubuntu lab's internet connection. only server will connect. can someone please help?00:41
Kamping_Kaisersubsume, flushed iptables, and reenable routing?00:42
subsumeKamping_Kaiser never done that.... could you please advise?00:42
Kamping_Kaisersubsume, iptables -F and echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward00:44
Kamping_Kaiserhowever, i'm heading off00:44
Kamping_Kaiser!tell subsume about private message00:44
subsumeKamping_Kaiser -- I know about priv messages I'm just using an unfamil irc client. =)00:44
subsumeKamping_Kaiser -- I did both of those things on the server machine and nothing is different00:47
Kamping_Kaisersubsume, check your switches/cabling00:48
* Kamping_Kaiser has to go for a bit00:48
subsumeKamping_Kaiser -- I really don't think its that. I see a new message relating to 'portmap' when the server starts up. could that be it?00:51
subsumeScrewed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice?00:55
subsumeScrewed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice?00:58
pygidon't repeat yourself, be patient00:59
pygiit's middle of the night for most of the folks here00:59
subsumeI hate this fuckin room.01:02
LaserJockoookay ...01:03
subsumeCan someone please help me. I dug myself into a hole--my edubuntu clients can't connect to the internet.01:08
LaserJockwell, you weren't being very nice before, please don't swear01:09
subsumeI thought I was in the #ubuntu room. Its such a circus in there.01:09
LaserJockk01:10
subsumeHonestly I've never used bitchx to connect to IRC, this channel is always (not so full...but) full of knowledgable helpful people.01:10
LaserJockI'm not a lot of help, but perhaps give the error message01:11
subsumeAnyway. I don't know what my problem is. I think it might have something to do with portmap running on the server?01:11
subsumeI get a message on startup... but it scrolls to fast.01:11
subsumeI flushed my iptables.01:11
subsumemeh, this is impossible.01:15
subsumethe debian community is so much more prevalent.01:15
LaserJockprevalent?01:16
subsumeas in, when you run into something you can reliably find some pointers to working it out on IRC.01:16
subsumeedubuntu is always dead and ubuntu is like an elementary school sandbox.01:16
LaserJockheh01:17
LaserJockthis channel has it's active times, but is not as active as some channels for sure01:18
LaserJockyou can also try #ltsp01:18
LaserJockI've gotta run01:18
subsumeyepo.01:18
pygisubsume, you need to be a little bit more polite, and perhaps someone would help you01:20
pygithanks for listening01:20
kgoetzback01:24
subsumeSo... any other takers?01:29
pygihey kgoetz01:34
pygisubsume, no idea if this is related, but just read it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59916601:35
kgoetzi'm a bit cross - the fast link at itshare is running at almost teh speed of my home connection. i assume its because of public holiday :|01:36
pygiyou should probably run "sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys" anyway ...01:36
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subsume_Not sure how that applies pygi  =)02:15
pygisubsume, run the ssh ltsp-update-sshkeys pls? ^_^02:16
kgoetzis there an ulternative mirror to cdimage.ubuntu.com if i want alpha-6? i'm starting to get really irate at this wait02:18
subsume_in my haste i uninstalled ltsp. need to redo.02:18
subsume_i will do that now.02:19
subsume_pygi: i ran that.02:24
subsume_hmf02:40
subsume_Can I dist-upgrade edubuntu and end up with 7.10?02:43
subsume_from 7.0402:43
pygiyup02:44
subsume_pygi: Why then does lsb_release -a still give me 7.04 after an apt-get dist-upgrade?02:53
subsume_Meh found a doc and its working now.03:04
subsume_Does anyone suppose a dist-upgrade of edubuntu should hang for 15 minutes on squid03:34
subsume_?03:34
kgoetzprobably squids fault03:35
subsume_what to do?03:36
kgoetzprobably nothing, apart from uncleanly shut down squid03:36
subsume_but its in the middle of a dist upgrade...03:36
subsume_should I ctrlz?03:36
kgoetzso i'm clear - your upgrading squid?03:37
subsume_no. dist-upgrade of edubuntu entire.03:37
kgoetzhow is squid involved in the upgrade? its on the edubuntu system?>03:37
subsume_I suppose so.03:37
kgoetzas long as your not upgrading *through* squid while you upgrade squid you would be ok to simply kill squid off03:38
calimerisn't it better just to let it run its course?03:38
subsume_I'm not sure how I can kill squid off without calling off the whole dist-upgrade...kgoetz03:38
kgoetzcalimer: yes it is03:38
subsume_calimer for how many more minutes?03:38
calimerfor as long as it takes03:38
subsume_calimer what if the sun nova's first? problem solved?03:39
calimerwhen you start playing with it you tend to corrupt software03:39
subsume_Setting up squid (2.6.14-1ubuntu2.1) ...03:39
subsume_Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/squid ...03:39
subsume_*hang*03:39
calimerI'm sure you are eager to use yoru comp03:39
calimeryour03:39
subsume_I got all night. =)03:39
calimerbut maybe go watch a movie or some TV03:39
subsume_Its a strange thing to hang on.03:39
calimerand come back and see what its status is03:39
calimerit's comps, it happens03:39
calimerbut to kill it can't you open a new tab in the console and type uh ls -a I think it is03:40
calimerand then kill by the pid?03:40
subsume_will that stop whole ugprade process?03:40
calimerhonestly I would just let it keep going03:40
kgoetzif you break the upgrade, you can resume it later03:40
calimerit might hang next time you try too03:40
kgoetzjust dont reboot a half upgraded sytem03:41
calimerthe safest thing is to just go catch a movie or some TV and relax03:41
calimerlet it do its thing03:41
calimerchances are it will move forward on its own03:41
subsume_calimer -- this config file better have some shakespeare in it!03:42
calimerwhy in a mood for some romance?03:42
calimerhaha03:42
subsume_any config file that takes a computer an hour to write should potentially call the Turing commission to convene.03:43
calimerhonestly I'm not much of an expert on what you are doing right now03:44
calimermy linux distro is mandrake 10.103:44
calimerjust talking from my experience installing many many things03:44
calimerand messing stuff up when I got impatient, haha03:44
subsume_if I kill the PID it will just move on?03:45
kgoetzdpkg is very forgiving, if you make the right scrifices03:45
calimerwho knows03:46
subsume_hmm03:46
subsume_I might just kill it03:46
calimerseriously just go out for some pizza or something03:46
subsume_by the looks of it I don't even WANT squid03:46
subsume_no I'm gonna kill it!03:46
calimerI forgot what squid does, isn't it some network security type thing?03:46
subsume_its a network caching service03:46
subsume_the idiot who ran this lab beforehand must have thought itw as important03:47
calimerit's going to blow up03:47
subsume_that would be a relief!03:47
kgoetzsquid is a caching proxy03:47
subsume_I will just switch industries if that's the case.03:47
kgoetzit allows you to plug extra stuff into it like dansguardian which makes it quite flexible03:48
calimerisn't dansguardian a firewall?03:48
kgoetzno, its a content filter03:48
subsume_Now isn't that interesting......... ps -auwx is hanging.03:49
calimerwhy do people say linux doesn't need a firewall?03:49
calimerI think that is kind of crazy talk03:49
kgoetzcalimer: why?03:49
calimerwell I guess it doesn't NEED a firewall03:49
calimerbut that isn't the same as it has the same protection as a win comp with a firewall03:49
kgoetzdont know about your distro, but the only open ports i have on my systems are ones i open. 80 and 64.03:50
kgoetzyou cant say the same for a windows system03:50
calimerso maybe your distro has a built in firewall03:50
kgoetzno, it doesnt03:50
calimerthen how would the other ports be closed on their own?03:51
kgoetzwell, it does, because iptables is part of Linux, but its not filtering03:51
calimerand are they closed or stealthed?03:51
kgoetzthier not set to listen on external interfaces03:51
kgoetzclosed.03:51
calimerso people can still see your comp03:51
kgoetzsure03:51
calimerI'm certainly no expert03:51
calimerbut I just think it doesn't hurt to have a nix firewall too03:51
kgoetzwhats a firewall goign to do for me?03:51
calimerstealth your ports03:52
kgoetzwhy would i want to?03:52
calimerso people can't see your comp that you don't want03:52
kgoetzwhich people? :)03:52
calimerbad people03:52
calimerhaha03:53
* kgoetz still isnt convinced ;)03:53
calimerI mean some are just crazy in general03:53
calimerwell whatever works anyway03:53
calimerjust stating my opinion03:53
kgoetza public server, sure. firewall it. a home system? bugger that for paranoia03:53
calimermaybe I am a bit03:54
calimerthough I'm a developer too03:54
subsume_I can't even open a new terminal to that machine that was hanging...03:54
calimerso I can't really affort any problems03:54
calimerer03:54
calimerafford03:54
kgoetzsubsume_: sounds like its under a lot of load03:54
calimerI used to host quite a few servers as wel03:54
kgoetzsubsume_: is the HDD thrashing?03:54
subsume_kgoetz: no03:55
kgoetzsubsume_: hm. i'm wonering if dpkg has started an eternal loop03:55
subsume_yeah. can I ctrl Z now?03:55
kgoetzZ is background. C is cancel03:56
calimerdamn my game went to 8 out of 631 on moddb :(03:56
subsume_oh that's a good one.03:56
calimerit lost top 5 BOOO03:56
kgoetzyes you can, but dont expect it to work instantly :) give it a minute to die off03:56
subsume_ahaha03:56
kgoetzcalimer: aw03:56
calimerwhy not just kill by pid03:56
calimercleaner03:56
subsume_hitting CTRL C just skiopped it and continued the install03:56
kgoetzcalimer: he cant opena  shell (he says)03:56
calimerah well03:56
calimershell is good for you03:57
subsume_http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf6903:57
kgoetzogra_cmpc: ello03:58
kgoetzsubsume_: adduser: `/usr/bin/gpasswd -M proxy winbindd_priv' exited from signal 2. Exiting. <- is the problem03:59
subsume_crap now NFS is hanging too03:59
kgoetzsubsume_: can you pastebin your sources.list?04:00
subsume_I wish I could but I can't login from another terminal04:00
kgoetzare you doing this in single user mode, or full system?04:01
subsume_root04:02
subsume_I can't even use ps =(04:02
subsume_is my system destroyed?04:02
subsume_dpkg is locked.04:02
kgoetzroot meaning?04:03
* kgoetz hugs his bvd function04:03
subsume_kgoetz: full system04:03
subsume_Crap.04:04
kgoetzheh04:04
subsume_I've never had a good time with Ubuntu04:04
subsume_This _always_ happens.04:05
subsume_I'm afraid to restart my system04:05
kgoetzsubsume_: whats happening?04:05
subsume_the physical terminal is just blinking04:06
subsume_new SSH connections fail04:06
subsume_my existing SSH connection cannot us ps04:06
subsume_use04:06
kgoetzhm04:06
subsume_obviously something is bad.04:06
subsume_at a low level.04:06
kgoetzcan you still access the logs? reporting a bug with04:06
kgoetzthe pastebin you listed earlier and hte logs it references would probably be valuable04:06
subsume_nope04:08
subsume_can't access crap04:08
subsume_terminal died.04:08
subsume_I'm having a "wish I was using Debian" moment.04:08
subsume_power cycle.... lets see what kind of fun happens.04:09
subsume_psh04:11
subsume_can't even login as root.04:11
subsume_maybe an LDAP problem04:13
subsume_how the heck do I get around that?04:13
kgoetzcant log in? usually when i get a live/install cd and chroot in and start fixing stuff up like that04:14
subsume_kgoetz: and what on earth am I going to do therE?04:20
kgoetzsubsume_: finish the upgrade04:20
subsume_hm. ok.04:20
subsume_kgoetz: will simply getting a shell into / and running dpkg be your first move?04:28
kgoetzsubsume_: bind in /proc/ and /dev/ from the host, then chroot into the system and run `apt-get -f install` and `dpkg --configure --pending`04:30
kgoetzfix/remove/add as required to get those two commands to stop complaining.04:30
subsume_kgoetz: found its choking on ldap-auth-config04:37
subsume_Unknown terminal: bterm04:37
kgoetznever heard of bterm04:38
subsume_dpkg: error processing ldap-auth-config (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error status 25504:38
kgoetztry to dpkg --configure ldap-auth-config and see if it gives you a better error message04:38
subsume_kgoetz: gives me the same error, more or less04:42
kgoetzsubsume_: open up /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config and put 'set -ex' at the top then try to --configure again04:44
subsume_hmm that's elaborate04:46
subsume_ok04:46
kgoetzit should enable debug in the script04:46
subsume_kgoetz: nothing different as far as i can see04:48
subsume_that file didn't exist, btw.04:48
kgoetzsubsume_: ah04:48
kgoetzsubsume_: you need a .postinst sorry04:49
subsume_what is that?04:49
kgoetz /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config.postinst04:49
subsume_nickrud: k04:50
subsume_kgoetz: got some additional output04:52
subsume_[ ! ]  ... PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 export PERL_DL_NONLAZY [ ]04:52
subsume_nickrud: encountered this upon dist-upgrade http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf6905:11
highvoltagehi kids!09:38
* RichEd waves to highvoltage and shudders to imagine him as his dad09:39
highvoltagehah!09:40
* RichEd sees his mother shuderring doubly so ;)09:42
* ogra_cmpc curses intel for not at least putting a pinhole reset button in the classmate11:02
Kamping_Kaiserhehe11:03
ogra_cmpcthey use an internal battery, so if i really kill the kernel in a mean way so that not even the power button works i have to dissamble the whole thing to yank the battery out11:05
Kamping_Kaiserah. thats going to cause problems11:07
ogra_cmpcIT COPIES !!!11:14
* ogra_cmpc dances around the classmate installer11:14
Kamping_Kaiserhehe.11:16
Kamping_Kaiserwhats copying?11:16
ogra_cmpcmy installer11:18
ogra_cmpcRichEd, i should be done with it by the end of the day, so a hardy image will be up tonight  ... i've put some effort in this weekend to make it able to install to *any* attached device ... so if you have a usb key you can just do a test install to it and boot/work from there11:23
RichEdw00t :)11:23
ogra_cmpcoh, and the image is only 850M now11:23
RichEdw00t +n11:23
stgraberogra_cmpc: got my mail ?11:23
ogra_cmpc(the installer .... the instaleld system still takes teh whole disk)11:24
ogra_cmpcstgraber, if its important tell me quickly here, i'm staying away from mail atm to get something done11:24
stgraberogra_cmpc: basically it's about a freeze exception for italc 1.0.711:24
RichEdogra_cmpc: mebbe the whole disk is used ... not critical ... it's now < 1/2 the download volume & speed11:24
RichEds/speed/time/11:25
RichEdmakes tight logistics one or two sweat drops less stressful11:25
stgraberogra_cmpc: it fixes some bugs and make it a lot faster when you have >10 computers, though it also does some UI changes (removing useless stuff and dropping the Userlist panel) :(11:25
ogra_cmpchmm, not sure about the UI stuff ...11:26
ogra_cmpcthe others sound like proper bugfixes11:26
ogra_cmpcRichEd, no no, the installed image didnt change much (size wise) its the same partitioning scheme as in gutsy ... you still have 6-700M space for the user11:27
stgraberogra_cmpc: well, I was wondering if we could get a FFe for it or should ask Tobias for separated patches (he of course would prefer that we ship 1.0.7 ...) ?11:29
ogra_cmpci'll talk to pitti or slangasek11:30
stgraberthanks, I mailed you the detailed changelog11:31
stgraber(so you can read it once you have access to a mail client :))11:31
ogra_cmpcyup, thanks11:36
profe_spholas13:21
profe_spalguien en español13:21
profe_spi have problems to config thinclients13:24
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mattwardhello. I am running a edubuntu server in Virtualbox on a machine that has one ethernet port. i am then pxe booting another vm in virtualbox on a second machine. The second vm is not seeing the first edubuntu vm... :) not sure why. is there some sort of config i have to do on the ed-vm? btw this is on a home network16:47
johnnyyes16:51
johnnyyou have to set up bridging most likely16:51
johnnythat is.. if you want them to have net16:51
johnnyif you just want them to communicate locally you can use internal network16:52
johnnybut NAT will not work16:52
johnnyNAT is the default i think16:52
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mattwardthanks johnny i will try that17:33
johnnyyou don't set it on the vm tho17:34
johnnyor rather17:34
johnnyif you just want to use internal network and not have net from your ltsp client or server , then you dont' have to set anything except in the vm config17:34
johnnyif you want them both to have access to the network, then you have to setup bridging on your host machine17:35
johnnywith the generated macs in the vm config17:35
johnnymy host machine is gentoo, so i can't exactly tell you how to do bridged networking in ubuntu/debian17:36
johnnybut iirc there are instructions on the vbox site for how to do so17:36
mattwardwhen i pxe boot the second vbox vm it does not find anything to boot from.. not sure if it is cause of nat on the lstp vm or not?17:39
johnnyyes17:39
johnnyit is17:39
mattwardah ok17:39
mattwardso edubuntu vm should be bridged?17:39
johnnyor internal network17:39
mattwardright17:39
mattwardcool thanks. now gotta get back to real work.. i will try that when i get home. :)17:40
Muhammad_SaadHello, How long is a typical release of Ubuntu supported and which is the nearest Long Term Supported release?17:48
johnnythat's all on the site17:49
johnnywhn you try to download it17:49
johnnythe nearest one is in april17:49
Muhammad_SaadI have read the FAQ but could not find what I am looking for.17:49
Muhammad_SaadThis April?17:49
johnnyyes17:50
johnnywhen you try to download ubuntu, it tells you which release is lts17:50
Muhammad_SaadHow long will 7.10 be supported?17:51
johnnynot nearly as long :)17:51
johnnyhttp://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download17:51
Muhammad_SaadPlease tell me exactly how long is a usual release supported and what is the period of support for an LTS release?17:52
Muhammad_SaadI currently have the CD of 7.1017:52
johnnyit says so17:52
johnnyrightt here17:52
johnnyon that link17:52
Muhammad_SaadI estimate that a usual release is supported for 1.5 years. Am I correct?17:55
Muhammad_SaadAnd an LTS release for 3 years.17:56
Muhammad_SaadAm I correct?17:56
johnnydid you read?17:58
Muhammad_SaadYes.17:58
johnnyThe "LTS" version of Ubuntu receives long-term support. 3 years for desktop versions and 5 years for server versions.17:58
johnnydon'tforget server17:58
Muhammad_SaadIf I install edubuntu 7.10 now, will I have to re-install it when the new version is available?17:59
johnnyyou can upgrade17:59
Muhammad_SaadHow? I donot have a fast internet connection18:00
Muhammad_SaadI use dial-up18:00
johnnyyou can order a new cd18:00
johnnyand upgrade from that18:00
Muhammad_SaadWill it provide me any options?18:01
johnnyyou use your current ubuntu and tell it touse the cd18:01
Muhammad_SaadHow?18:03
LaserJockjohnny: you can't upgrade from the shipit CDs18:03
johnnyyou can't tell the current ubuntu to use the new cd for packages?18:03
LaserJockwell, maybe if you do Edubuntu18:03
LaserJockjohnny: you can't upgrade via LiveCDs18:03
johnnywhy not?18:03
johnnythat sounds kinda lame18:03
LaserJockthere aren't any packages18:04
LaserJockit's a live system, not packages18:04
Muhammad_SaadI am asking such questions because I want to make everything sure before I install it. Please donot get mad if I ask too much questions. :)18:04
LaserJockso there's nothing there to use to upgrade18:04
johnnyso, how are folks on dialup supposeds to upgrade?18:04
Muhammad_SaadSo please tell me the detailed process to upgrade.18:04
LaserJockwell, I would find a computer that has a good connection18:04
LaserJockto download the Alternate CD18:05
johnnythat is no good..18:05
johnnyand impossible in some places18:05
LaserJockyep, it's a very difficult issue18:05
johnnycan't ubuntu provide an upgrade cd then?18:05
LaserJocknot for free18:05
johnnythat people can order?18:05
LaserJockyeah, I'm sure you can buy them18:06
Muhammad_SaadSo should I wait for the LTS release?18:06
LaserJockyou just have to get the Ubuntu Alternate CD18:06
johnnyyou can't order the alternate cd via shipit ?18:06
Muhammad_SaadWhat is Alternate CD?18:06
LaserJockjohnny: no18:07
johnnyi'm glad you spoke up then..18:07
LaserJockthey're already spending millions I believe shipping free CDs to people18:07
LaserJockthey don't want to ship any more than they have to18:07
johnnyi bet many folks are getting shipit cds they can't use18:07
LaserJockwell, a lot of people do fresh installs18:08
johnnydoes hardy's installer actually let you keep your /home ?18:08
LaserJockif you have a separate /home partition you can have it keep it I believe18:08
LaserJockI just backup and wipe the whole thing18:09
johnnynot everybody has that luxury either18:09
LaserJockI know18:09
LaserJockit's a difficult issue18:09
johnnyi know they were talking about adding that feature18:09
johnnyadding an option to keep your home is not a difficult issue afaik18:09
LaserJockMuhammad_Saad: the regular CD you get from Shipit and downloads is what is know as a LiveCD18:09
johnnyit's just linux..18:09
LaserJockjohnny: Ubuntu doesn't want people using separate /home partitions18:10
johnnythen can't they rm -rf everything but /homet then?18:10
johnnyor similiar18:10
LaserJockMuhammad_Saad: a LiveCD has an actual Ubuntu installation that it runs off the CD18:10
LaserJockMuhammad_Saad: a Alternate CD is another way to  install that isn't a LiveCD18:11
LaserJockit uses the actual software packages to install18:11
Muhammad_SaadPlease tell me. If I install the current version and then I want to upgrade using the shipit CD, What do I have to do?18:11
LaserJockjohnny: I would think that'd be quite error-prone,  but possibly18:11
LaserJockMuhammad_Saad: I think you would want to backup the files you have and then do a new installation from the shipit CD18:12
Muhammad_SaadOK. Thanks for the help.18:13
LaserJockMuhammad_Saad: if you can get access to an Alternate CD for Ubuntu 8.04 you could use that for upgrading18:14
LaserJockbut I don't think you can get that from Shipit18:14
Muhammad_Saadhow?18:14
Muhammad_Saadboot from the CD?18:14
LaserJockyeah18:14
Muhammad_Saadwill it ask me to upgrade or install a fresh system?18:14
LaserJockI believe so18:15
LaserJockeither that or you can put the CD in when you are logged into your current system18:15
Muhammad_SaadIsn't Edubuntu an Alternate CD?18:15
LaserJockwell18:15
LaserJockEdubuntu 8.04 will use the Ubuntu Alternate CD for LTSP18:16
LaserJockso it may be available from shipit18:17
LaserJockbut I don't know for sure18:17
Muhammad_SaadIf I want to upgrade from the CD while logged in, what do I have to do?18:17
LaserJockI haven't heard the 8.04 shipit plans18:17
LaserJockMuhammad_Saad: put the CD in18:17
LaserJockI think that should do it18:17
Muhammad_Saadautomagically?18:18
LaserJockpretty much18:18
Muhammad_SaadPlease hurry. I feel like I am going to be disconnected.18:20
Muhammad_Saadok18:20
Muhammad_SaadI shall try that.18:20
Muhammad_SaadNow I have to leave. Thanks a lot for all the support.18:21
LaserJockI mean, you can install 7.10 now and see how it goes18:21
LaserJockthen figure out how to upgrade later18:21
LaserJockmaybe things will change in the mean time18:21
Muhammad_SaadMay be, May be not.18:22
LaserJockbut it's really not going to hurt anything18:22
Muhammad_SaadBut at least I can try.18:22
Muhammad_SaadBye.18:23
LaserJockcya18:23
LaserJockjohnny: yeah, upgrading can be a beast if you don't have a decent internet connection18:27
highvoltagehmm, missed him19:09
subsumeSo would a common edubuntu configuration somehow block access to the WAN to all clients? I did something and all client internet access went down20:22
subsumeyet NFS still loads20:22
subsumeand they can see each other fine20:22
subsumeI was installing a fat client on the server. I can't recall exactly what step stopped it. I am trying to isolate it before I go into the cables.20:22
evenhi all20:23
eveni'm looking for a how to for customize ltsp with icewm. where i found that ?20:23
subsumeI thought net booting would be as simple as setting network boot in the bios but i am getting not found errors.20:59
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juliuxogra, ping21:21
juliuxogra_cmpc, ping21:21
subsumejuliux: ?? that to me?21:23
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subsumeWhat a ghosttown.21:55
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subsumeAnyone know why a thin client would hang at 'STarting system log daemon'??22:39
johnnyare you using ldap?22:40
johnnyi just know that i saw somebody have that problem only in that case, but i don't know what it is really related to22:40
subsumejohnny: yes22:49
subsumeAll the clients in my edubuntu lab cannot connect to the internet. The server can connect.  What could be to blame?23:11
subsumeI believe it happened while dist-ugprading23:11
LaserJocksubsume: did you email edubuntu-users?23:17
sudobashsubsume try ifconfig23:17
subsumeLaserJock: No23:17
subsumesudobash: on client? ok23:17
sudobashyes23:17
sudobashtell me what it says23:18
subsumeboink23:20
subsumeI can ping the server... I know it can because the client machines have an NFS loaded home drive23:22
subsumefrom the server23:22
subsumesudobash: ^23:22
sudobashI think it is the gateway23:23
subsumehmm23:23
subsumeHonestly this is an unfamiliar lab....23:23
subsumebased on what i pasted you, is the gateway the router or the server?23:24
sudobashwell it is wherever your Internet is coming from23:24
sudobashgateway to internet23:25
sudobashso the IP which houses the connection to the NET23:25
sudobashmaybe you have an OpenBSD server with multiple NICS i dont know23:25
subsumesudobash: sadly I see nothing about gateway in what i pasted you from ifconfig23:25
sudobashor maybe it is a Netgear or Linksys Routers23:25
subsumeedubuntu server, edubuntu clients, 3com wifi router connceting clients23:26
sudobashso the edubuntu is the server which has the NET and it is the Gateway23:26
sudobashgo to System -> Administration-> Network23:27
sudobashand configure gateway on every machine as the Ed Server23:27
sudobashBRB23:27
subsumesudobash: hmm.23:28
sudobashthat is what is i guarantee23:30
sudobashas long as the Net is not going to 3COM and is going to server23:30
sudobashthere are a few ways to have it set up like you say23:30
sudobashmultiple NIC's on the EDUserver23:30
subsumesudobash: there are two NICs on the server23:30
sudobashor having the 3COM hooked to the NET23:31
sudobashright so you probably have one NIC coming from NET and one coming from 3COM23:31
sudobashthen your gateway is the SERVER23:31
sudobashnot the 3com23:31
sudobashonce you have configured the gateway in you will want to do this... you can even make a script23:32
sudobashsudo apt-get ra0 down23:32
sudobashsudo apt-get ra0 up23:32
sudobashwait23:32
sudobashsorry23:32
subsumesudobash: but this was all set up fine a day ago... maybe I can jsut fix whatever happened to the server to make it a dysfunctional gateway?23:33
sudobashwow how did i type that?23:33
sudobashsudo ifconfig ra0 down23:33
sudobashsudo ifconfig ra0 up23:33
subsumeOk, I'm confused.... "no" ?23:34
sudobashyou asked if the gateway was in the info you gave23:36
subsumeNo.23:37
sudobashbut you can tell it what gateway to use for the internet23:37
subsumeWhat I mean is ....23:37
subsumesudobash: but this was all set up fine a day ago... maybe I can jsut fix whatever happened to the server to make it a dysfunctional gateway?23:37
sudobashi dont think it is a dysfunctional gateway i think is a weirdly configured network that needs proper network admin tasks done to it for it to work 100% of the time23:38
sudobashit is just proper technique as a Network Admin to set a Gateway address in situations like this23:39
subsumesudobash: oh yeah? ok.23:39
sudobashall the gateway does is say that is the PC with the INTERNET use that router to get to the NET23:40
sudobashroute* not router23:40
sudobashTCP/IP traffic follows routes23:41
sudobashthey may pass over several NICs while getting where they are going but it is all invisible unless you uncap your NIC with software23:41
subsumeyeah you're kind of speaking above my head23:44
subsumebut i think i get you23:44
sudobashbut setting the gateway should work if it doesn't let me know and I will help you out some more23:44
subsumeok, thanks23:45
subsumesudobash: Do I run the risk of overflooding the gateway?23:45
sudobashhow fast is your server?23:45
sudobashandhowmany clients accessing it?23:45
subsumemaybe 25 clients23:46
subsumeusing NFS loaded home drive23:46
subsume"Fat clients"23:46
sudobashif it was windows i would say yes23:46
sudobashif the server was windows yes23:46
sudobashbut Ubuntu I doubt it23:46
subsumehmm ok23:46
sudobashbut you may have to setup more clients that can access storage23:47
sudobashlike ftp and ssh even23:47
sudobashsetup how many clients the daemons all allow at one time23:47
sudobashbut maybe not 25 isnt too many23:47
sudobashif the server is of decent speed you should be fine23:48
subsumeok.23:48
sudobashtell me if the internet works when you set the gateway23:48
subsumehave you set up thin-clients before?23:48
sudobashummm some not very many... I can maybe get someone else to help you with it though23:49
subsumehmm23:49
subsumeI'm not really sure how to set up the gateway.23:49
subsumeis it the same as netmask?23:49
sudobashno the netmask is the subnetmask23:49
sudobashlike 192.168.*.* is 255.255.255.023:50
sudobashwhat you need to do is go to system-> administration->network and you should be able to specify an IP subnet and gateway along with DNS and what not23:51
subsumeok but I'm not even sure how to find out what the gateway should be23:51
subsumechecked /etc/network/interfaces on server. nothing23:51
sudobashgo to server and do ifconfig23:51
subsumeI see nothing about gateway sudobash23:52
sudobashyour client 192.168.0.15023:52
subsumeyes23:52
subsume0.10 is my server23:52
sudobashthe gateway for 192.168.0.150 or whatever client there is... is going to be the IP of the Server... you have 2 nics23:53
sudobashone IP is going to be the Internet IP and one is going to be the Local Area Network IP23:53
subsumethe one that goes out says IP = 1.523:53
subsumeso...  196.168.1.5?23:54
sudobashwhat is the other one23:54
subsume0.1023:54
sudobash192.168.1.5 is not reacable from 192.168.0.15023:54
sudobash*your client)23:54
sudobash(23:54
subsume......23:54
sudobashso the gateway is the 0.1023:54
sudobashand 192.168.1.5 is the IP the houses the Net most likely23:55
subsumeI'm really just not sure what you're even saying anymore23:55
sudobash1 nic is on the clients network 1 is not23:55
sudobashyeah its hard to explain if you dont know much about networking23:56
subsumeI already get most of what you are saying23:56
subsumeBut I'm not sure what you are implying I should do about all of this23:56
sudobash192.168.1.5 is the Net IP most likely and 192.168.0.10 is the IP of the SERVER communicating with the clients23:56
subsumeYou said specify new gateway for clients, then said the new address is unreachable by the clients.23:57
subsumeI could have told you a year ago 0.10 was the server23:57
sudobashthey are bot the server but 0.10 is the one reachable by the clients not 1.523:57
sudobashbut*23:57
subsumeyes....which leads me to believe some configuration in the server machine has gone awry and needs fixing23:58
subsumebut to that you said, no, i need to redo something about the clients23:58
subsumewhich makes no sense because they were never touched in the first place23:58
sudobashtell me something23:58
sudobashis there a Modem of WAN cable plugged straight to the EDU Server23:59
sudobashlike a cable or dsl modem23:59
sudobashor T123:59
sudobashor T3?23:59
subsumeIts hard to say because this thing goes into the ceiling but it looks to me like the server connects to a 3Com wifi router23:59
sudobashor maybe just a network cable coming from somewhere else (another server/router)23:59
subsume(hard plugged)23:59
sudobashyeah i figured that23:59
subsumeI am talking to you right now by plugging myself into that same router23:59

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