Kamping_Kaiser | edubuntu peoples: has edubuntu gone to the 'ubuntu addon' for 8.04? | 00:22 |
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Kamping_Kaiser | LaserJock, morning mate (didnt spot you before) | 00:22 |
LaserJock | hi | 00:22 |
LaserJock | Edubuntu 8.04 is shipping an Ubuntu Educational Addon CD | 00:23 |
Kamping_Kaiser | so the 'installing edubuntu standalone' page that i'm looking at is probably incorrect? | 00:23 |
LaserJock | yep | 00:25 |
Kamping_Kaiser | hm. | 00:26 |
* Kamping_Kaiser goes to burn ubuntu with the edu expantion pack cds | 00:26 | |
Kamping_Kaiser | bleh. after downloading them :| | 00:26 |
Kamping_Kaiser | kgoetz, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/8.04/alpha-6/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-6/ | 00:27 |
Kamping_Kaiser | bbs | 00:27 |
Kamping_Kaiser | LaserJock, is someone rewriting it? | 00:34 |
LaserJock | not that I know | 00:35 |
LaserJock | of | 00:35 |
LaserJock | the Handbook either | 00:35 |
pygi | heh, nobody ever wanted to do that | 00:38 |
pygi | I wish our old team was here :-/ | 00:38 |
Kamping_Kaiser | i'm off to somewhere with a faster internet connection so i can download the edu addon cd. i'll be back as kgoetz in about an hour probably | 00:38 |
pygi | enjoy Kamping_Kaiser | 00:39 |
Kamping_Kaiser | and i'll look at doing some reworking (after not using docbook for two years...heh) | 00:39 |
subsume | . | 00:40 |
subsume | I just messed up my edubuntu lab's internet connection. only server will connect. can someone please help? | 00:41 |
Kamping_Kaiser | subsume, flushed iptables, and reenable routing? | 00:42 |
subsume | Kamping_Kaiser never done that.... could you please advise? | 00:42 |
Kamping_Kaiser | subsume, iptables -F and echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 00:44 |
Kamping_Kaiser | however, i'm heading off | 00:44 |
Kamping_Kaiser | !tell subsume about private message | 00:44 |
subsume | Kamping_Kaiser -- I know about priv messages I'm just using an unfamil irc client. =) | 00:44 |
subsume | Kamping_Kaiser -- I did both of those things on the server machine and nothing is different | 00:47 |
Kamping_Kaiser | subsume, check your switches/cabling | 00:48 |
* Kamping_Kaiser has to go for a bit | 00:48 | |
subsume | Kamping_Kaiser -- I really don't think its that. I see a new message relating to 'portmap' when the server starts up. could that be it? | 00:51 |
subsume | Screwed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice? | 00:55 |
subsume | Screwed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice? | 00:58 |
pygi | don't repeat yourself, be patient | 00:59 |
pygi | it's middle of the night for most of the folks here | 00:59 |
subsume | I hate this fuckin room. | 01:02 |
LaserJock | oookay ... | 01:03 |
subsume | Can someone please help me. I dug myself into a hole--my edubuntu clients can't connect to the internet. | 01:08 |
LaserJock | well, you weren't being very nice before, please don't swear | 01:09 |
subsume | I thought I was in the #ubuntu room. Its such a circus in there. | 01:09 |
LaserJock | k | 01:10 |
subsume | Honestly I've never used bitchx to connect to IRC, this channel is always (not so full...but) full of knowledgable helpful people. | 01:10 |
LaserJock | I'm not a lot of help, but perhaps give the error message | 01:11 |
subsume | Anyway. I don't know what my problem is. I think it might have something to do with portmap running on the server? | 01:11 |
subsume | I get a message on startup... but it scrolls to fast. | 01:11 |
subsume | I flushed my iptables. | 01:11 |
subsume | meh, this is impossible. | 01:15 |
subsume | the debian community is so much more prevalent. | 01:15 |
LaserJock | prevalent? | 01:16 |
subsume | as in, when you run into something you can reliably find some pointers to working it out on IRC. | 01:16 |
subsume | edubuntu is always dead and ubuntu is like an elementary school sandbox. | 01:16 |
LaserJock | heh | 01:17 |
LaserJock | this channel has it's active times, but is not as active as some channels for sure | 01:18 |
LaserJock | you can also try #ltsp | 01:18 |
LaserJock | I've gotta run | 01:18 |
subsume | yepo. | 01:18 |
pygi | subsume, you need to be a little bit more polite, and perhaps someone would help you | 01:20 |
pygi | thanks for listening | 01:20 |
kgoetz | back | 01:24 |
subsume | So... any other takers? | 01:29 |
pygi | hey kgoetz | 01:34 |
pygi | subsume, no idea if this is related, but just read it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599166 | 01:35 |
kgoetz | i'm a bit cross - the fast link at itshare is running at almost teh speed of my home connection. i assume its because of public holiday :| | 01:36 |
pygi | you should probably run "sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys" anyway ... | 01:36 |
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subsume_ | Not sure how that applies pygi =) | 02:15 |
pygi | subsume, run the ssh ltsp-update-sshkeys pls? ^_^ | 02:16 |
kgoetz | is there an ulternative mirror to cdimage.ubuntu.com if i want alpha-6? i'm starting to get really irate at this wait | 02:18 |
subsume_ | in my haste i uninstalled ltsp. need to redo. | 02:18 |
subsume_ | i will do that now. | 02:19 |
subsume_ | pygi: i ran that. | 02:24 |
subsume_ | hmf | 02:40 |
subsume_ | Can I dist-upgrade edubuntu and end up with 7.10? | 02:43 |
subsume_ | from 7.04 | 02:43 |
pygi | yup | 02:44 |
subsume_ | pygi: Why then does lsb_release -a still give me 7.04 after an apt-get dist-upgrade? | 02:53 |
subsume_ | Meh found a doc and its working now. | 03:04 |
subsume_ | Does anyone suppose a dist-upgrade of edubuntu should hang for 15 minutes on squid | 03:34 |
subsume_ | ? | 03:34 |
kgoetz | probably squids fault | 03:35 |
subsume_ | what to do? | 03:36 |
kgoetz | probably nothing, apart from uncleanly shut down squid | 03:36 |
subsume_ | but its in the middle of a dist upgrade... | 03:36 |
subsume_ | should I ctrlz? | 03:36 |
kgoetz | so i'm clear - your upgrading squid? | 03:37 |
subsume_ | no. dist-upgrade of edubuntu entire. | 03:37 |
kgoetz | how is squid involved in the upgrade? its on the edubuntu system?> | 03:37 |
subsume_ | I suppose so. | 03:37 |
kgoetz | as long as your not upgrading *through* squid while you upgrade squid you would be ok to simply kill squid off | 03:38 |
calimer | isn't it better just to let it run its course? | 03:38 |
subsume_ | I'm not sure how I can kill squid off without calling off the whole dist-upgrade...kgoetz | 03:38 |
kgoetz | calimer: yes it is | 03:38 |
subsume_ | calimer for how many more minutes? | 03:38 |
calimer | for as long as it takes | 03:38 |
subsume_ | calimer what if the sun nova's first? problem solved? | 03:39 |
calimer | when you start playing with it you tend to corrupt software | 03:39 |
subsume_ | Setting up squid (2.6.14-1ubuntu2.1) ... | 03:39 |
subsume_ | Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/squid ... | 03:39 |
subsume_ | *hang* | 03:39 |
calimer | I'm sure you are eager to use yoru comp | 03:39 |
calimer | your | 03:39 |
subsume_ | I got all night. =) | 03:39 |
calimer | but maybe go watch a movie or some TV | 03:39 |
subsume_ | Its a strange thing to hang on. | 03:39 |
calimer | and come back and see what its status is | 03:39 |
calimer | it's comps, it happens | 03:39 |
calimer | but to kill it can't you open a new tab in the console and type uh ls -a I think it is | 03:40 |
calimer | and then kill by the pid? | 03:40 |
subsume_ | will that stop whole ugprade process? | 03:40 |
calimer | honestly I would just let it keep going | 03:40 |
kgoetz | if you break the upgrade, you can resume it later | 03:40 |
calimer | it might hang next time you try too | 03:40 |
kgoetz | just dont reboot a half upgraded sytem | 03:41 |
calimer | the safest thing is to just go catch a movie or some TV and relax | 03:41 |
calimer | let it do its thing | 03:41 |
calimer | chances are it will move forward on its own | 03:41 |
subsume_ | calimer -- this config file better have some shakespeare in it! | 03:42 |
calimer | why in a mood for some romance? | 03:42 |
calimer | haha | 03:42 |
subsume_ | any config file that takes a computer an hour to write should potentially call the Turing commission to convene. | 03:43 |
calimer | honestly I'm not much of an expert on what you are doing right now | 03:44 |
calimer | my linux distro is mandrake 10.1 | 03:44 |
calimer | just talking from my experience installing many many things | 03:44 |
calimer | and messing stuff up when I got impatient, haha | 03:44 |
subsume_ | if I kill the PID it will just move on? | 03:45 |
kgoetz | dpkg is very forgiving, if you make the right scrifices | 03:45 |
calimer | who knows | 03:46 |
subsume_ | hmm | 03:46 |
subsume_ | I might just kill it | 03:46 |
calimer | seriously just go out for some pizza or something | 03:46 |
subsume_ | by the looks of it I don't even WANT squid | 03:46 |
subsume_ | no I'm gonna kill it! | 03:46 |
calimer | I forgot what squid does, isn't it some network security type thing? | 03:46 |
subsume_ | its a network caching service | 03:46 |
subsume_ | the idiot who ran this lab beforehand must have thought itw as important | 03:47 |
calimer | it's going to blow up | 03:47 |
subsume_ | that would be a relief! | 03:47 |
kgoetz | squid is a caching proxy | 03:47 |
subsume_ | I will just switch industries if that's the case. | 03:47 |
kgoetz | it allows you to plug extra stuff into it like dansguardian which makes it quite flexible | 03:48 |
calimer | isn't dansguardian a firewall? | 03:48 |
kgoetz | no, its a content filter | 03:48 |
subsume_ | Now isn't that interesting......... ps -auwx is hanging. | 03:49 |
calimer | why do people say linux doesn't need a firewall? | 03:49 |
calimer | I think that is kind of crazy talk | 03:49 |
kgoetz | calimer: why? | 03:49 |
calimer | well I guess it doesn't NEED a firewall | 03:49 |
calimer | but that isn't the same as it has the same protection as a win comp with a firewall | 03:49 |
kgoetz | dont know about your distro, but the only open ports i have on my systems are ones i open. 80 and 64. | 03:50 |
kgoetz | you cant say the same for a windows system | 03:50 |
calimer | so maybe your distro has a built in firewall | 03:50 |
kgoetz | no, it doesnt | 03:50 |
calimer | then how would the other ports be closed on their own? | 03:51 |
kgoetz | well, it does, because iptables is part of Linux, but its not filtering | 03:51 |
calimer | and are they closed or stealthed? | 03:51 |
kgoetz | thier not set to listen on external interfaces | 03:51 |
kgoetz | closed. | 03:51 |
calimer | so people can still see your comp | 03:51 |
kgoetz | sure | 03:51 |
calimer | I'm certainly no expert | 03:51 |
calimer | but I just think it doesn't hurt to have a nix firewall too | 03:51 |
kgoetz | whats a firewall goign to do for me? | 03:51 |
calimer | stealth your ports | 03:52 |
kgoetz | why would i want to? | 03:52 |
calimer | so people can't see your comp that you don't want | 03:52 |
kgoetz | which people? :) | 03:52 |
calimer | bad people | 03:52 |
calimer | haha | 03:53 |
* kgoetz still isnt convinced ;) | 03:53 | |
calimer | I mean some are just crazy in general | 03:53 |
calimer | well whatever works anyway | 03:53 |
calimer | just stating my opinion | 03:53 |
kgoetz | a public server, sure. firewall it. a home system? bugger that for paranoia | 03:53 |
calimer | maybe I am a bit | 03:54 |
calimer | though I'm a developer too | 03:54 |
subsume_ | I can't even open a new terminal to that machine that was hanging... | 03:54 |
calimer | so I can't really affort any problems | 03:54 |
calimer | er | 03:54 |
calimer | afford | 03:54 |
kgoetz | subsume_: sounds like its under a lot of load | 03:54 |
calimer | I used to host quite a few servers as wel | 03:54 |
kgoetz | subsume_: is the HDD thrashing? | 03:54 |
subsume_ | kgoetz: no | 03:55 |
kgoetz | subsume_: hm. i'm wonering if dpkg has started an eternal loop | 03:55 |
subsume_ | yeah. can I ctrl Z now? | 03:55 |
kgoetz | Z is background. C is cancel | 03:56 |
calimer | damn my game went to 8 out of 631 on moddb :( | 03:56 |
subsume_ | oh that's a good one. | 03:56 |
calimer | it lost top 5 BOOO | 03:56 |
kgoetz | yes you can, but dont expect it to work instantly :) give it a minute to die off | 03:56 |
subsume_ | ahaha | 03:56 |
kgoetz | calimer: aw | 03:56 |
calimer | why not just kill by pid | 03:56 |
calimer | cleaner | 03:56 |
subsume_ | hitting CTRL C just skiopped it and continued the install | 03:56 |
kgoetz | calimer: he cant opena shell (he says) | 03:56 |
calimer | ah well | 03:56 |
calimer | shell is good for you | 03:57 |
subsume_ | http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf69 | 03:57 |
kgoetz | ogra_cmpc: ello | 03:58 |
kgoetz | subsume_: adduser: `/usr/bin/gpasswd -M proxy winbindd_priv' exited from signal 2. Exiting. <- is the problem | 03:59 |
subsume_ | crap now NFS is hanging too | 03:59 |
kgoetz | subsume_: can you pastebin your sources.list? | 04:00 |
subsume_ | I wish I could but I can't login from another terminal | 04:00 |
kgoetz | are you doing this in single user mode, or full system? | 04:01 |
subsume_ | root | 04:02 |
subsume_ | I can't even use ps =( | 04:02 |
subsume_ | is my system destroyed? | 04:02 |
subsume_ | dpkg is locked. | 04:02 |
kgoetz | root meaning? | 04:03 |
* kgoetz hugs his bvd function | 04:03 | |
subsume_ | kgoetz: full system | 04:03 |
subsume_ | Crap. | 04:04 |
kgoetz | heh | 04:04 |
subsume_ | I've never had a good time with Ubuntu | 04:04 |
subsume_ | This _always_ happens. | 04:05 |
subsume_ | I'm afraid to restart my system | 04:05 |
kgoetz | subsume_: whats happening? | 04:05 |
subsume_ | the physical terminal is just blinking | 04:06 |
subsume_ | new SSH connections fail | 04:06 |
subsume_ | my existing SSH connection cannot us ps | 04:06 |
subsume_ | use | 04:06 |
kgoetz | hm | 04:06 |
subsume_ | obviously something is bad. | 04:06 |
subsume_ | at a low level. | 04:06 |
kgoetz | can you still access the logs? reporting a bug with | 04:06 |
kgoetz | the pastebin you listed earlier and hte logs it references would probably be valuable | 04:06 |
subsume_ | nope | 04:08 |
subsume_ | can't access crap | 04:08 |
subsume_ | terminal died. | 04:08 |
subsume_ | I'm having a "wish I was using Debian" moment. | 04:08 |
subsume_ | power cycle.... lets see what kind of fun happens. | 04:09 |
subsume_ | psh | 04:11 |
subsume_ | can't even login as root. | 04:11 |
subsume_ | maybe an LDAP problem | 04:13 |
subsume_ | how the heck do I get around that? | 04:13 |
kgoetz | cant log in? usually when i get a live/install cd and chroot in and start fixing stuff up like that | 04:14 |
subsume_ | kgoetz: and what on earth am I going to do therE? | 04:20 |
kgoetz | subsume_: finish the upgrade | 04:20 |
subsume_ | hm. ok. | 04:20 |
subsume_ | kgoetz: will simply getting a shell into / and running dpkg be your first move? | 04:28 |
kgoetz | subsume_: bind in /proc/ and /dev/ from the host, then chroot into the system and run `apt-get -f install` and `dpkg --configure --pending` | 04:30 |
kgoetz | fix/remove/add as required to get those two commands to stop complaining. | 04:30 |
subsume_ | kgoetz: found its choking on ldap-auth-config | 04:37 |
subsume_ | Unknown terminal: bterm | 04:37 |
kgoetz | never heard of bterm | 04:38 |
subsume_ | dpkg: error processing ldap-auth-config (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error status 255 | 04:38 |
kgoetz | try to dpkg --configure ldap-auth-config and see if it gives you a better error message | 04:38 |
subsume_ | kgoetz: gives me the same error, more or less | 04:42 |
kgoetz | subsume_: open up /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config and put 'set -ex' at the top then try to --configure again | 04:44 |
subsume_ | hmm that's elaborate | 04:46 |
subsume_ | ok | 04:46 |
kgoetz | it should enable debug in the script | 04:46 |
subsume_ | kgoetz: nothing different as far as i can see | 04:48 |
subsume_ | that file didn't exist, btw. | 04:48 |
kgoetz | subsume_: ah | 04:48 |
kgoetz | subsume_: you need a .postinst sorry | 04:49 |
subsume_ | what is that? | 04:49 |
kgoetz | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config.postinst | 04:49 |
subsume_ | nickrud: k | 04:50 |
subsume_ | kgoetz: got some additional output | 04:52 |
subsume_ | [ ! ] ... PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 export PERL_DL_NONLAZY [ ] | 04:52 |
subsume_ | nickrud: encountered this upon dist-upgrade http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf69 | 05:11 |
highvoltage | hi kids! | 09:38 |
* RichEd waves to highvoltage and shudders to imagine him as his dad | 09:39 | |
highvoltage | hah! | 09:40 |
* RichEd sees his mother shuderring doubly so ;) | 09:42 | |
* ogra_cmpc curses intel for not at least putting a pinhole reset button in the classmate | 11:02 | |
Kamping_Kaiser | hehe | 11:03 |
ogra_cmpc | they use an internal battery, so if i really kill the kernel in a mean way so that not even the power button works i have to dissamble the whole thing to yank the battery out | 11:05 |
Kamping_Kaiser | ah. thats going to cause problems | 11:07 |
ogra_cmpc | IT COPIES !!! | 11:14 |
* ogra_cmpc dances around the classmate installer | 11:14 | |
Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. | 11:16 |
Kamping_Kaiser | whats copying? | 11:16 |
ogra_cmpc | my installer | 11:18 |
ogra_cmpc | RichEd, i should be done with it by the end of the day, so a hardy image will be up tonight ... i've put some effort in this weekend to make it able to install to *any* attached device ... so if you have a usb key you can just do a test install to it and boot/work from there | 11:23 |
RichEd | w00t :) | 11:23 |
ogra_cmpc | oh, and the image is only 850M now | 11:23 |
RichEd | w00t +n | 11:23 |
stgraber | ogra_cmpc: got my mail ? | 11:23 |
ogra_cmpc | (the installer .... the instaleld system still takes teh whole disk) | 11:24 |
ogra_cmpc | stgraber, if its important tell me quickly here, i'm staying away from mail atm to get something done | 11:24 |
stgraber | ogra_cmpc: basically it's about a freeze exception for italc 1.0.7 | 11:24 |
RichEd | ogra_cmpc: mebbe the whole disk is used ... not critical ... it's now < 1/2 the download volume & speed | 11:24 |
RichEd | s/speed/time/ | 11:25 |
RichEd | makes tight logistics one or two sweat drops less stressful | 11:25 |
stgraber | ogra_cmpc: it fixes some bugs and make it a lot faster when you have >10 computers, though it also does some UI changes (removing useless stuff and dropping the Userlist panel) :( | 11:25 |
ogra_cmpc | hmm, not sure about the UI stuff ... | 11:26 |
ogra_cmpc | the others sound like proper bugfixes | 11:26 |
ogra_cmpc | RichEd, no no, the installed image didnt change much (size wise) its the same partitioning scheme as in gutsy ... you still have 6-700M space for the user | 11:27 |
stgraber | ogra_cmpc: well, I was wondering if we could get a FFe for it or should ask Tobias for separated patches (he of course would prefer that we ship 1.0.7 ...) ? | 11:29 |
ogra_cmpc | i'll talk to pitti or slangasek | 11:30 |
stgraber | thanks, I mailed you the detailed changelog | 11:31 |
stgraber | (so you can read it once you have access to a mail client :)) | 11:31 |
ogra_cmpc | yup, thanks | 11:36 |
profe_sp | holas | 13:21 |
profe_sp | alguien en español | 13:21 |
profe_sp | i have problems to config thinclients | 13:24 |
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mattward | hello. I am running a edubuntu server in Virtualbox on a machine that has one ethernet port. i am then pxe booting another vm in virtualbox on a second machine. The second vm is not seeing the first edubuntu vm... :) not sure why. is there some sort of config i have to do on the ed-vm? btw this is on a home network | 16:47 |
johnny | yes | 16:51 |
johnny | you have to set up bridging most likely | 16:51 |
johnny | that is.. if you want them to have net | 16:51 |
johnny | if you just want them to communicate locally you can use internal network | 16:52 |
johnny | but NAT will not work | 16:52 |
johnny | NAT is the default i think | 16:52 |
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mattward | thanks johnny i will try that | 17:33 |
johnny | you don't set it on the vm tho | 17:34 |
johnny | or rather | 17:34 |
johnny | if you just want to use internal network and not have net from your ltsp client or server , then you dont' have to set anything except in the vm config | 17:34 |
johnny | if you want them both to have access to the network, then you have to setup bridging on your host machine | 17:35 |
johnny | with the generated macs in the vm config | 17:35 |
johnny | my host machine is gentoo, so i can't exactly tell you how to do bridged networking in ubuntu/debian | 17:36 |
johnny | but iirc there are instructions on the vbox site for how to do so | 17:36 |
mattward | when i pxe boot the second vbox vm it does not find anything to boot from.. not sure if it is cause of nat on the lstp vm or not? | 17:39 |
johnny | yes | 17:39 |
johnny | it is | 17:39 |
mattward | ah ok | 17:39 |
mattward | so edubuntu vm should be bridged? | 17:39 |
johnny | or internal network | 17:39 |
mattward | right | 17:39 |
mattward | cool thanks. now gotta get back to real work.. i will try that when i get home. :) | 17:40 |
Muhammad_Saad | Hello, How long is a typical release of Ubuntu supported and which is the nearest Long Term Supported release? | 17:48 |
johnny | that's all on the site | 17:49 |
johnny | whn you try to download it | 17:49 |
johnny | the nearest one is in april | 17:49 |
Muhammad_Saad | I have read the FAQ but could not find what I am looking for. | 17:49 |
Muhammad_Saad | This April? | 17:49 |
johnny | yes | 17:50 |
johnny | when you try to download ubuntu, it tells you which release is lts | 17:50 |
Muhammad_Saad | How long will 7.10 be supported? | 17:51 |
johnny | not nearly as long :) | 17:51 |
johnny | http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download | 17:51 |
Muhammad_Saad | Please tell me exactly how long is a usual release supported and what is the period of support for an LTS release? | 17:52 |
Muhammad_Saad | I currently have the CD of 7.10 | 17:52 |
johnny | it says so | 17:52 |
johnny | rightt here | 17:52 |
johnny | on that link | 17:52 |
Muhammad_Saad | I estimate that a usual release is supported for 1.5 years. Am I correct? | 17:55 |
Muhammad_Saad | And an LTS release for 3 years. | 17:56 |
Muhammad_Saad | Am I correct? | 17:56 |
johnny | did you read? | 17:58 |
Muhammad_Saad | Yes. | 17:58 |
johnny | The "LTS" version of Ubuntu receives long-term support. 3 years for desktop versions and 5 years for server versions. | 17:58 |
johnny | don'tforget server | 17:58 |
Muhammad_Saad | If I install edubuntu 7.10 now, will I have to re-install it when the new version is available? | 17:59 |
johnny | you can upgrade | 17:59 |
Muhammad_Saad | How? I donot have a fast internet connection | 18:00 |
Muhammad_Saad | I use dial-up | 18:00 |
johnny | you can order a new cd | 18:00 |
johnny | and upgrade from that | 18:00 |
Muhammad_Saad | Will it provide me any options? | 18:01 |
johnny | you use your current ubuntu and tell it touse the cd | 18:01 |
Muhammad_Saad | How? | 18:03 |
LaserJock | johnny: you can't upgrade from the shipit CDs | 18:03 |
johnny | you can't tell the current ubuntu to use the new cd for packages? | 18:03 |
LaserJock | well, maybe if you do Edubuntu | 18:03 |
LaserJock | johnny: you can't upgrade via LiveCDs | 18:03 |
johnny | why not? | 18:03 |
johnny | that sounds kinda lame | 18:03 |
LaserJock | there aren't any packages | 18:04 |
LaserJock | it's a live system, not packages | 18:04 |
Muhammad_Saad | I am asking such questions because I want to make everything sure before I install it. Please donot get mad if I ask too much questions. :) | 18:04 |
LaserJock | so there's nothing there to use to upgrade | 18:04 |
johnny | so, how are folks on dialup supposeds to upgrade? | 18:04 |
Muhammad_Saad | So please tell me the detailed process to upgrade. | 18:04 |
LaserJock | well, I would find a computer that has a good connection | 18:04 |
LaserJock | to download the Alternate CD | 18:05 |
johnny | that is no good.. | 18:05 |
johnny | and impossible in some places | 18:05 |
LaserJock | yep, it's a very difficult issue | 18:05 |
johnny | can't ubuntu provide an upgrade cd then? | 18:05 |
LaserJock | not for free | 18:05 |
johnny | that people can order? | 18:05 |
LaserJock | yeah, I'm sure you can buy them | 18:06 |
Muhammad_Saad | So should I wait for the LTS release? | 18:06 |
LaserJock | you just have to get the Ubuntu Alternate CD | 18:06 |
johnny | you can't order the alternate cd via shipit ? | 18:06 |
Muhammad_Saad | What is Alternate CD? | 18:06 |
LaserJock | johnny: no | 18:07 |
johnny | i'm glad you spoke up then.. | 18:07 |
LaserJock | they're already spending millions I believe shipping free CDs to people | 18:07 |
LaserJock | they don't want to ship any more than they have to | 18:07 |
johnny | i bet many folks are getting shipit cds they can't use | 18:07 |
LaserJock | well, a lot of people do fresh installs | 18:08 |
johnny | does hardy's installer actually let you keep your /home ? | 18:08 |
LaserJock | if you have a separate /home partition you can have it keep it I believe | 18:08 |
LaserJock | I just backup and wipe the whole thing | 18:09 |
johnny | not everybody has that luxury either | 18:09 |
LaserJock | I know | 18:09 |
LaserJock | it's a difficult issue | 18:09 |
johnny | i know they were talking about adding that feature | 18:09 |
johnny | adding an option to keep your home is not a difficult issue afaik | 18:09 |
LaserJock | Muhammad_Saad: the regular CD you get from Shipit and downloads is what is know as a LiveCD | 18:09 |
johnny | it's just linux.. | 18:09 |
LaserJock | johnny: Ubuntu doesn't want people using separate /home partitions | 18:10 |
johnny | then can't they rm -rf everything but /homet then? | 18:10 |
johnny | or similiar | 18:10 |
LaserJock | Muhammad_Saad: a LiveCD has an actual Ubuntu installation that it runs off the CD | 18:10 |
LaserJock | Muhammad_Saad: a Alternate CD is another way to install that isn't a LiveCD | 18:11 |
LaserJock | it uses the actual software packages to install | 18:11 |
Muhammad_Saad | Please tell me. If I install the current version and then I want to upgrade using the shipit CD, What do I have to do? | 18:11 |
LaserJock | johnny: I would think that'd be quite error-prone, but possibly | 18:11 |
LaserJock | Muhammad_Saad: I think you would want to backup the files you have and then do a new installation from the shipit CD | 18:12 |
Muhammad_Saad | OK. Thanks for the help. | 18:13 |
LaserJock | Muhammad_Saad: if you can get access to an Alternate CD for Ubuntu 8.04 you could use that for upgrading | 18:14 |
LaserJock | but I don't think you can get that from Shipit | 18:14 |
Muhammad_Saad | how? | 18:14 |
Muhammad_Saad | boot from the CD? | 18:14 |
LaserJock | yeah | 18:14 |
Muhammad_Saad | will it ask me to upgrade or install a fresh system? | 18:14 |
LaserJock | I believe so | 18:15 |
LaserJock | either that or you can put the CD in when you are logged into your current system | 18:15 |
Muhammad_Saad | Isn't Edubuntu an Alternate CD? | 18:15 |
LaserJock | well | 18:15 |
LaserJock | Edubuntu 8.04 will use the Ubuntu Alternate CD for LTSP | 18:16 |
LaserJock | so it may be available from shipit | 18:17 |
LaserJock | but I don't know for sure | 18:17 |
Muhammad_Saad | If I want to upgrade from the CD while logged in, what do I have to do? | 18:17 |
LaserJock | I haven't heard the 8.04 shipit plans | 18:17 |
LaserJock | Muhammad_Saad: put the CD in | 18:17 |
LaserJock | I think that should do it | 18:17 |
Muhammad_Saad | automagically? | 18:18 |
LaserJock | pretty much | 18:18 |
Muhammad_Saad | Please hurry. I feel like I am going to be disconnected. | 18:20 |
Muhammad_Saad | ok | 18:20 |
Muhammad_Saad | I shall try that. | 18:20 |
Muhammad_Saad | Now I have to leave. Thanks a lot for all the support. | 18:21 |
LaserJock | I mean, you can install 7.10 now and see how it goes | 18:21 |
LaserJock | then figure out how to upgrade later | 18:21 |
LaserJock | maybe things will change in the mean time | 18:21 |
Muhammad_Saad | May be, May be not. | 18:22 |
LaserJock | but it's really not going to hurt anything | 18:22 |
Muhammad_Saad | But at least I can try. | 18:22 |
Muhammad_Saad | Bye. | 18:23 |
LaserJock | cya | 18:23 |
LaserJock | johnny: yeah, upgrading can be a beast if you don't have a decent internet connection | 18:27 |
highvoltage | hmm, missed him | 19:09 |
subsume | So would a common edubuntu configuration somehow block access to the WAN to all clients? I did something and all client internet access went down | 20:22 |
subsume | yet NFS still loads | 20:22 |
subsume | and they can see each other fine | 20:22 |
subsume | I was installing a fat client on the server. I can't recall exactly what step stopped it. I am trying to isolate it before I go into the cables. | 20:22 |
even | hi all | 20:23 |
even | i'm looking for a how to for customize ltsp with icewm. where i found that ? | 20:23 |
subsume | I thought net booting would be as simple as setting network boot in the bios but i am getting not found errors. | 20:59 |
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juliux | ogra, ping | 21:21 |
juliux | ogra_cmpc, ping | 21:21 |
subsume | juliux: ?? that to me? | 21:23 |
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subsume | What a ghosttown. | 21:55 |
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subsume | Anyone know why a thin client would hang at 'STarting system log daemon'?? | 22:39 |
johnny | are you using ldap? | 22:40 |
johnny | i just know that i saw somebody have that problem only in that case, but i don't know what it is really related to | 22:40 |
subsume | johnny: yes | 22:49 |
subsume | All the clients in my edubuntu lab cannot connect to the internet. The server can connect. What could be to blame? | 23:11 |
subsume | I believe it happened while dist-ugprading | 23:11 |
LaserJock | subsume: did you email edubuntu-users? | 23:17 |
sudobash | subsume try ifconfig | 23:17 |
subsume | LaserJock: No | 23:17 |
subsume | sudobash: on client? ok | 23:17 |
sudobash | yes | 23:17 |
sudobash | tell me what it says | 23:18 |
subsume | boink | 23:20 |
subsume | I can ping the server... I know it can because the client machines have an NFS loaded home drive | 23:22 |
subsume | from the server | 23:22 |
subsume | sudobash: ^ | 23:22 |
sudobash | I think it is the gateway | 23:23 |
subsume | hmm | 23:23 |
subsume | Honestly this is an unfamiliar lab.... | 23:23 |
subsume | based on what i pasted you, is the gateway the router or the server? | 23:24 |
sudobash | well it is wherever your Internet is coming from | 23:24 |
sudobash | gateway to internet | 23:25 |
sudobash | so the IP which houses the connection to the NET | 23:25 |
sudobash | maybe you have an OpenBSD server with multiple NICS i dont know | 23:25 |
subsume | sudobash: sadly I see nothing about gateway in what i pasted you from ifconfig | 23:25 |
sudobash | or maybe it is a Netgear or Linksys Routers | 23:25 |
subsume | edubuntu server, edubuntu clients, 3com wifi router connceting clients | 23:26 |
sudobash | so the edubuntu is the server which has the NET and it is the Gateway | 23:26 |
sudobash | go to System -> Administration-> Network | 23:27 |
sudobash | and configure gateway on every machine as the Ed Server | 23:27 |
sudobash | BRB | 23:27 |
subsume | sudobash: hmm. | 23:28 |
sudobash | that is what is i guarantee | 23:30 |
sudobash | as long as the Net is not going to 3COM and is going to server | 23:30 |
sudobash | there are a few ways to have it set up like you say | 23:30 |
sudobash | multiple NIC's on the EDUserver | 23:30 |
subsume | sudobash: there are two NICs on the server | 23:30 |
sudobash | or having the 3COM hooked to the NET | 23:31 |
sudobash | right so you probably have one NIC coming from NET and one coming from 3COM | 23:31 |
sudobash | then your gateway is the SERVER | 23:31 |
sudobash | not the 3com | 23:31 |
sudobash | once you have configured the gateway in you will want to do this... you can even make a script | 23:32 |
sudobash | sudo apt-get ra0 down | 23:32 |
sudobash | sudo apt-get ra0 up | 23:32 |
sudobash | wait | 23:32 |
sudobash | sorry | 23:32 |
subsume | sudobash: but this was all set up fine a day ago... maybe I can jsut fix whatever happened to the server to make it a dysfunctional gateway? | 23:33 |
sudobash | wow how did i type that? | 23:33 |
sudobash | sudo ifconfig ra0 down | 23:33 |
sudobash | sudo ifconfig ra0 up | 23:33 |
subsume | Ok, I'm confused.... "no" ? | 23:34 |
sudobash | you asked if the gateway was in the info you gave | 23:36 |
subsume | No. | 23:37 |
sudobash | but you can tell it what gateway to use for the internet | 23:37 |
subsume | What I mean is .... | 23:37 |
subsume | sudobash: but this was all set up fine a day ago... maybe I can jsut fix whatever happened to the server to make it a dysfunctional gateway? | 23:37 |
sudobash | i dont think it is a dysfunctional gateway i think is a weirdly configured network that needs proper network admin tasks done to it for it to work 100% of the time | 23:38 |
sudobash | it is just proper technique as a Network Admin to set a Gateway address in situations like this | 23:39 |
subsume | sudobash: oh yeah? ok. | 23:39 |
sudobash | all the gateway does is say that is the PC with the INTERNET use that router to get to the NET | 23:40 |
sudobash | route* not router | 23:40 |
sudobash | TCP/IP traffic follows routes | 23:41 |
sudobash | they may pass over several NICs while getting where they are going but it is all invisible unless you uncap your NIC with software | 23:41 |
subsume | yeah you're kind of speaking above my head | 23:44 |
subsume | but i think i get you | 23:44 |
sudobash | but setting the gateway should work if it doesn't let me know and I will help you out some more | 23:44 |
subsume | ok, thanks | 23:45 |
subsume | sudobash: Do I run the risk of overflooding the gateway? | 23:45 |
sudobash | how fast is your server? | 23:45 |
sudobash | andhowmany clients accessing it? | 23:45 |
subsume | maybe 25 clients | 23:46 |
subsume | using NFS loaded home drive | 23:46 |
subsume | "Fat clients" | 23:46 |
sudobash | if it was windows i would say yes | 23:46 |
sudobash | if the server was windows yes | 23:46 |
sudobash | but Ubuntu I doubt it | 23:46 |
subsume | hmm ok | 23:46 |
sudobash | but you may have to setup more clients that can access storage | 23:47 |
sudobash | like ftp and ssh even | 23:47 |
sudobash | setup how many clients the daemons all allow at one time | 23:47 |
sudobash | but maybe not 25 isnt too many | 23:47 |
sudobash | if the server is of decent speed you should be fine | 23:48 |
subsume | ok. | 23:48 |
sudobash | tell me if the internet works when you set the gateway | 23:48 |
subsume | have you set up thin-clients before? | 23:48 |
sudobash | ummm some not very many... I can maybe get someone else to help you with it though | 23:49 |
subsume | hmm | 23:49 |
subsume | I'm not really sure how to set up the gateway. | 23:49 |
subsume | is it the same as netmask? | 23:49 |
sudobash | no the netmask is the subnetmask | 23:49 |
sudobash | like 192.168.*.* is 255.255.255.0 | 23:50 |
sudobash | what you need to do is go to system-> administration->network and you should be able to specify an IP subnet and gateway along with DNS and what not | 23:51 |
subsume | ok but I'm not even sure how to find out what the gateway should be | 23:51 |
subsume | checked /etc/network/interfaces on server. nothing | 23:51 |
sudobash | go to server and do ifconfig | 23:51 |
subsume | I see nothing about gateway sudobash | 23:52 |
sudobash | your client 192.168.0.150 | 23:52 |
subsume | yes | 23:52 |
subsume | 0.10 is my server | 23:52 |
sudobash | the gateway for 192.168.0.150 or whatever client there is... is going to be the IP of the Server... you have 2 nics | 23:53 |
sudobash | one IP is going to be the Internet IP and one is going to be the Local Area Network IP | 23:53 |
subsume | the one that goes out says IP = 1.5 | 23:53 |
subsume | so... 196.168.1.5? | 23:54 |
sudobash | what is the other one | 23:54 |
subsume | 0.10 | 23:54 |
sudobash | 192.168.1.5 is not reacable from 192.168.0.150 | 23:54 |
sudobash | *your client) | 23:54 |
sudobash | ( | 23:54 |
subsume | ...... | 23:54 |
sudobash | so the gateway is the 0.10 | 23:54 |
sudobash | and 192.168.1.5 is the IP the houses the Net most likely | 23:55 |
subsume | I'm really just not sure what you're even saying anymore | 23:55 |
sudobash | 1 nic is on the clients network 1 is not | 23:55 |
sudobash | yeah its hard to explain if you dont know much about networking | 23:56 |
subsume | I already get most of what you are saying | 23:56 |
subsume | But I'm not sure what you are implying I should do about all of this | 23:56 |
sudobash | 192.168.1.5 is the Net IP most likely and 192.168.0.10 is the IP of the SERVER communicating with the clients | 23:56 |
subsume | You said specify new gateway for clients, then said the new address is unreachable by the clients. | 23:57 |
subsume | I could have told you a year ago 0.10 was the server | 23:57 |
sudobash | they are bot the server but 0.10 is the one reachable by the clients not 1.5 | 23:57 |
sudobash | but* | 23:57 |
subsume | yes....which leads me to believe some configuration in the server machine has gone awry and needs fixing | 23:58 |
subsume | but to that you said, no, i need to redo something about the clients | 23:58 |
subsume | which makes no sense because they were never touched in the first place | 23:58 |
sudobash | tell me something | 23:58 |
sudobash | is there a Modem of WAN cable plugged straight to the EDU Server | 23:59 |
sudobash | like a cable or dsl modem | 23:59 |
sudobash | or T1 | 23:59 |
sudobash | or T3? | 23:59 |
subsume | Its hard to say because this thing goes into the ceiling but it looks to me like the server connects to a 3Com wifi router | 23:59 |
sudobash | or maybe just a network cable coming from somewhere else (another server/router) | 23:59 |
subsume | (hard plugged) | 23:59 |
sudobash | yeah i figured that | 23:59 |
subsume | I am talking to you right now by plugging myself into that same router | 23:59 |
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