[00:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> edubuntu peoples: has edubuntu gone to the 'ubuntu addon' for 8.04?
[00:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, morning mate (didnt spot you before)
[00:22] <LaserJock> hi
[00:23] <LaserJock> Edubuntu 8.04 is shipping an Ubuntu Educational Addon CD
[00:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> so the 'installing edubuntu standalone' page that i'm looking at is probably incorrect?
[00:25] <LaserJock> yep
[00:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[00:26]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes to burn ubuntu with the edu expantion pack cds
[00:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleh. after downloading them :|
[00:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> kgoetz, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/8.04/alpha-6/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-6/
[00:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs
[00:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, is someone rewriting it?
[00:35] <LaserJock> not that I know
[00:35] <LaserJock> of
[00:35] <LaserJock> the Handbook either
[00:38] <pygi> heh, nobody ever wanted to do that
[00:38] <pygi> I wish our old team was here :-/
[00:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm off to somewhere with a faster internet connection so i can download the edu addon cd. i'll be back as kgoetz in about an hour probably
[00:39] <pygi> enjoy Kamping_Kaiser
[00:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i'll look at doing some reworking (after not using docbook for two years...heh)
[00:40] <subsume> .
[00:41] <subsume> I just messed up my edubuntu lab's internet connection. only server will connect. can someone please help?
[00:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> subsume, flushed iptables, and reenable routing?
[00:42] <subsume> Kamping_Kaiser never done that.... could you please advise?
[00:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> subsume, iptables -F and echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[00:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> however, i'm heading off
[00:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell subsume about private message
[00:44] <subsume> Kamping_Kaiser -- I know about priv messages I'm just using an unfamil irc client. =)
[00:47] <subsume> Kamping_Kaiser -- I did both of those things on the server machine and nothing is different
[00:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> subsume, check your switches/cabling
[00:48]  * Kamping_Kaiser has to go for a bit
[00:51] <subsume> Kamping_Kaiser -- I really don't think its that. I see a new message relating to 'portmap' when the server starts up. could that be it?
[00:55] <subsume> Screwed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice?
[00:58] <subsume> Screwed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice?
[00:59] <pygi> don't repeat yourself, be patient
[00:59] <pygi> it's middle of the night for most of the folks here
[01:02] <subsume> I hate this fuckin room.
[01:03] <LaserJock> oookay ...
[01:08] <subsume> Can someone please help me. I dug myself into a hole--my edubuntu clients can't connect to the internet.
[01:09] <LaserJock> well, you weren't being very nice before, please don't swear
[01:09] <subsume> I thought I was in the #ubuntu room. Its such a circus in there.
[01:10] <LaserJock> k
[01:10] <subsume> Honestly I've never used bitchx to connect to IRC, this channel is always (not so full...but) full of knowledgable helpful people.
[01:11] <LaserJock> I'm not a lot of help, but perhaps give the error message
[01:11] <subsume> Anyway. I don't know what my problem is. I think it might have something to do with portmap running on the server?
[01:11] <subsume> I get a message on startup... but it scrolls to fast.
[01:11] <subsume> I flushed my iptables.
[01:15] <subsume> meh, this is impossible.
[01:15] <subsume> the debian community is so much more prevalent.
[01:16] <LaserJock> prevalent?
[01:16] <subsume> as in, when you run into something you can reliably find some pointers to working it out on IRC.
[01:16] <subsume> edubuntu is always dead and ubuntu is like an elementary school sandbox.
[01:17] <LaserJock> heh
[01:18] <LaserJock> this channel has it's active times, but is not as active as some channels for sure
[01:18] <LaserJock> you can also try #ltsp
[01:18] <LaserJock> I've gotta run
[01:18] <subsume> yepo.
[01:20] <pygi> subsume, you need to be a little bit more polite, and perhaps someone would help you
[01:20] <pygi> thanks for listening
[01:24] <kgoetz> back
[01:29] <subsume> So... any other takers?
[01:34] <pygi> hey kgoetz
[01:35] <pygi> subsume, no idea if this is related, but just read it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599166
[01:36] <kgoetz> i'm a bit cross - the fast link at itshare is running at almost teh speed of my home connection. i assume its because of public holiday :|
[01:36] <pygi> you should probably run "sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys" anyway ...
[02:15] <subsume_> Not sure how that applies pygi  =)
[02:16] <pygi> subsume, run the ssh ltsp-update-sshkeys pls? ^_^
[02:18] <kgoetz> is there an ulternative mirror to cdimage.ubuntu.com if i want alpha-6? i'm starting to get really irate at this wait
[02:18] <subsume_> in my haste i uninstalled ltsp. need to redo.
[02:19] <subsume_> i will do that now.
[02:24] <subsume_> pygi: i ran that.
[02:40] <subsume_> hmf
[02:43] <subsume_> Can I dist-upgrade edubuntu and end up with 7.10?
[02:43] <subsume_> from 7.04
[02:44] <pygi> yup
[02:53] <subsume_> pygi: Why then does lsb_release -a still give me 7.04 after an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:04] <subsume_> Meh found a doc and its working now.
[03:34] <subsume_> Does anyone suppose a dist-upgrade of edubuntu should hang for 15 minutes on squid
[03:34] <subsume_> ?
[03:35] <kgoetz> probably squids fault
[03:36] <subsume_> what to do?
[03:36] <kgoetz> probably nothing, apart from uncleanly shut down squid
[03:36] <subsume_> but its in the middle of a dist upgrade...
[03:36] <subsume_> should I ctrlz?
[03:37] <kgoetz> so i'm clear - your upgrading squid?
[03:37] <subsume_> no. dist-upgrade of edubuntu entire.
[03:37] <kgoetz> how is squid involved in the upgrade? its on the edubuntu system?>
[03:37] <subsume_> I suppose so.
[03:38] <kgoetz> as long as your not upgrading *through* squid while you upgrade squid you would be ok to simply kill squid off
[03:38] <calimer> isn't it better just to let it run its course?
[03:38] <subsume_> I'm not sure how I can kill squid off without calling off the whole dist-upgrade...kgoetz
[03:38] <kgoetz> calimer: yes it is
[03:38] <subsume_> calimer for how many more minutes?
[03:38] <calimer> for as long as it takes
[03:39] <subsume_> calimer what if the sun nova's first? problem solved?
[03:39] <calimer> when you start playing with it you tend to corrupt software
[03:39] <subsume_> Setting up squid (2.6.14-1ubuntu2.1) ...
[03:39] <subsume_> Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/squid ...
[03:39] <subsume_> *hang*
[03:39] <calimer> I'm sure you are eager to use yoru comp
[03:39] <calimer> your
[03:39] <subsume_> I got all night. =)
[03:39] <calimer> but maybe go watch a movie or some TV
[03:39] <subsume_> Its a strange thing to hang on.
[03:39] <calimer> and come back and see what its status is
[03:39] <calimer> it's comps, it happens
[03:40] <calimer> but to kill it can't you open a new tab in the console and type uh ls -a I think it is
[03:40] <calimer> and then kill by the pid?
[03:40] <subsume_> will that stop whole ugprade process?
[03:40] <calimer> honestly I would just let it keep going
[03:40] <kgoetz> if you break the upgrade, you can resume it later
[03:40] <calimer> it might hang next time you try too
[03:41] <kgoetz> just dont reboot a half upgraded sytem
[03:41] <calimer> the safest thing is to just go catch a movie or some TV and relax
[03:41] <calimer> let it do its thing
[03:41] <calimer> chances are it will move forward on its own
[03:42] <subsume_> calimer -- this config file better have some shakespeare in it!
[03:42] <calimer> why in a mood for some romance?
[03:42] <calimer> haha
[03:43] <subsume_> any config file that takes a computer an hour to write should potentially call the Turing commission to convene.
[03:44] <calimer> honestly I'm not much of an expert on what you are doing right now
[03:44] <calimer> my linux distro is mandrake 10.1
[03:44] <calimer> just talking from my experience installing many many things
[03:44] <calimer> and messing stuff up when I got impatient, haha
[03:45] <subsume_> if I kill the PID it will just move on?
[03:45] <kgoetz> dpkg is very forgiving, if you make the right scrifices
[03:46] <calimer> who knows
[03:46] <subsume_> hmm
[03:46] <subsume_> I might just kill it
[03:46] <calimer> seriously just go out for some pizza or something
[03:46] <subsume_> by the looks of it I don't even WANT squid
[03:46] <subsume_> no I'm gonna kill it!
[03:46] <calimer> I forgot what squid does, isn't it some network security type thing?
[03:46] <subsume_> its a network caching service
[03:47] <subsume_> the idiot who ran this lab beforehand must have thought itw as important
[03:47] <calimer> it's going to blow up
[03:47] <subsume_> that would be a relief!
[03:47] <kgoetz> squid is a caching proxy
[03:47] <subsume_> I will just switch industries if that's the case.
[03:48] <kgoetz> it allows you to plug extra stuff into it like dansguardian which makes it quite flexible
[03:48] <calimer> isn't dansguardian a firewall?
[03:48] <kgoetz> no, its a content filter
[03:49] <subsume_> Now isn't that interesting......... ps -auwx is hanging.
[03:49] <calimer> why do people say linux doesn't need a firewall?
[03:49] <calimer> I think that is kind of crazy talk
[03:49] <kgoetz> calimer: why?
[03:49] <calimer> well I guess it doesn't NEED a firewall
[03:49] <calimer> but that isn't the same as it has the same protection as a win comp with a firewall
[03:50] <kgoetz> dont know about your distro, but the only open ports i have on my systems are ones i open. 80 and 64.
[03:50] <kgoetz> you cant say the same for a windows system
[03:50] <calimer> so maybe your distro has a built in firewall
[03:50] <kgoetz> no, it doesnt
[03:51] <calimer> then how would the other ports be closed on their own?
[03:51] <kgoetz> well, it does, because iptables is part of Linux, but its not filtering
[03:51] <calimer> and are they closed or stealthed?
[03:51] <kgoetz> thier not set to listen on external interfaces
[03:51] <kgoetz> closed.
[03:51] <calimer> so people can still see your comp
[03:51] <kgoetz> sure
[03:51] <calimer> I'm certainly no expert
[03:51] <calimer> but I just think it doesn't hurt to have a nix firewall too
[03:51] <kgoetz> whats a firewall goign to do for me?
[03:52] <calimer> stealth your ports
[03:52] <kgoetz> why would i want to?
[03:52] <calimer> so people can't see your comp that you don't want
[03:52] <kgoetz> which people? :)
[03:52] <calimer> bad people
[03:53] <calimer> haha
[03:53]  * kgoetz still isnt convinced ;)
[03:53] <calimer> I mean some are just crazy in general
[03:53] <calimer> well whatever works anyway
[03:53] <calimer> just stating my opinion
[03:53] <kgoetz> a public server, sure. firewall it. a home system? bugger that for paranoia
[03:54] <calimer> maybe I am a bit
[03:54] <calimer> though I'm a developer too
[03:54] <subsume_> I can't even open a new terminal to that machine that was hanging...
[03:54] <calimer> so I can't really affort any problems
[03:54] <calimer> er
[03:54] <calimer> afford
[03:54] <kgoetz> subsume_: sounds like its under a lot of load
[03:54] <calimer> I used to host quite a few servers as wel
[03:54] <kgoetz> subsume_: is the HDD thrashing?
[03:55] <subsume_> kgoetz: no
[03:55] <kgoetz> subsume_: hm. i'm wonering if dpkg has started an eternal loop
[03:55] <subsume_> yeah. can I ctrl Z now?
[03:56] <kgoetz> Z is background. C is cancel
[03:56] <calimer> damn my game went to 8 out of 631 on moddb :(
[03:56] <subsume_> oh that's a good one.
[03:56] <calimer> it lost top 5 BOOO
[03:56] <kgoetz> yes you can, but dont expect it to work instantly :) give it a minute to die off
[03:56] <subsume_> ahaha
[03:56] <kgoetz> calimer: aw
[03:56] <calimer> why not just kill by pid
[03:56] <calimer> cleaner
[03:56] <subsume_> hitting CTRL C just skiopped it and continued the install
[03:56] <kgoetz> calimer: he cant opena  shell (he says)
[03:56] <calimer> ah well
[03:57] <calimer> shell is good for you
[03:57] <subsume_> http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf69
[03:58] <kgoetz> ogra_cmpc: ello
[03:59] <kgoetz> subsume_: adduser: `/usr/bin/gpasswd -M proxy winbindd_priv' exited from signal 2. Exiting. <- is the problem
[03:59] <subsume_> crap now NFS is hanging too
[04:00] <kgoetz> subsume_: can you pastebin your sources.list?
[04:00] <subsume_> I wish I could but I can't login from another terminal
[04:01] <kgoetz> are you doing this in single user mode, or full system?
[04:02] <subsume_> root
[04:02] <subsume_> I can't even use ps =(
[04:02] <subsume_> is my system destroyed?
[04:02] <subsume_> dpkg is locked.
[04:03] <kgoetz> root meaning?
[04:03]  * kgoetz hugs his bvd function
[04:03] <subsume_> kgoetz: full system
[04:04] <subsume_> Crap.
[04:04] <kgoetz> heh
[04:04] <subsume_> I've never had a good time with Ubuntu
[04:05] <subsume_> This _always_ happens.
[04:05] <subsume_> I'm afraid to restart my system
[04:05] <kgoetz> subsume_: whats happening?
[04:06] <subsume_> the physical terminal is just blinking
[04:06] <subsume_> new SSH connections fail
[04:06] <subsume_> my existing SSH connection cannot us ps
[04:06] <subsume_> use
[04:06] <kgoetz> hm
[04:06] <subsume_> obviously something is bad.
[04:06] <subsume_> at a low level.
[04:06] <kgoetz> can you still access the logs? reporting a bug with
[04:06] <kgoetz> the pastebin you listed earlier and hte logs it references would probably be valuable
[04:08] <subsume_> nope
[04:08] <subsume_> can't access crap
[04:08] <subsume_> terminal died.
[04:08] <subsume_> I'm having a "wish I was using Debian" moment.
[04:09] <subsume_> power cycle.... lets see what kind of fun happens.
[04:11] <subsume_> psh
[04:11] <subsume_> can't even login as root.
[04:13] <subsume_> maybe an LDAP problem
[04:13] <subsume_> how the heck do I get around that?
[04:14] <kgoetz> cant log in? usually when i get a live/install cd and chroot in and start fixing stuff up like that
[04:20] <subsume_> kgoetz: and what on earth am I going to do therE?
[04:20] <kgoetz> subsume_: finish the upgrade
[04:20] <subsume_> hm. ok.
[04:28] <subsume_> kgoetz: will simply getting a shell into / and running dpkg be your first move?
[04:30] <kgoetz> subsume_: bind in /proc/ and /dev/ from the host, then chroot into the system and run `apt-get -f install` and `dpkg --configure --pending`
[04:30] <kgoetz> fix/remove/add as required to get those two commands to stop complaining.
[04:37] <subsume_> kgoetz: found its choking on ldap-auth-config
[04:37] <subsume_> Unknown terminal: bterm
[04:38] <kgoetz> never heard of bterm
[04:38] <subsume_> dpkg: error processing ldap-auth-config (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error status 255
[04:38] <kgoetz> try to dpkg --configure ldap-auth-config and see if it gives you a better error message
[04:42] <subsume_> kgoetz: gives me the same error, more or less
[04:44] <kgoetz> subsume_: open up /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config and put 'set -ex' at the top then try to --configure again
[04:46] <subsume_> hmm that's elaborate
[04:46] <subsume_> ok
[04:46] <kgoetz> it should enable debug in the script
[04:48] <subsume_> kgoetz: nothing different as far as i can see
[04:48] <subsume_> that file didn't exist, btw.
[04:48] <kgoetz> subsume_: ah
[04:49] <kgoetz> subsume_: you need a .postinst sorry
[04:49] <subsume_> what is that?
[04:49] <kgoetz>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config.postinst
[04:50] <subsume_> nickrud: k
[04:52] <subsume_> kgoetz: got some additional output
[04:52] <subsume_> [ ! ]  ... PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 export PERL_DL_NONLAZY [ ]
[05:11] <subsume_> nickrud: encountered this upon dist-upgrade http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf69
[09:38] <highvoltage> hi kids!
[09:39]  * RichEd waves to highvoltage and shudders to imagine him as his dad
[09:40] <highvoltage> hah!
[09:42]  * RichEd sees his mother shuderring doubly so ;)
[11:02]  * ogra_cmpc curses intel for not at least putting a pinhole reset button in the classmate
[11:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[11:05] <ogra_cmpc> they use an internal battery, so if i really kill the kernel in a mean way so that not even the power button works i have to dissamble the whole thing to yank the battery out
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. thats going to cause problems
[11:14] <ogra_cmpc> IT COPIES !!!
[11:14]  * ogra_cmpc dances around the classmate installer
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats copying?
[11:18] <ogra_cmpc> my installer
[11:23] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, i should be done with it by the end of the day, so a hardy image will be up tonight  ... i've put some effort in this weekend to make it able to install to *any* attached device ... so if you have a usb key you can just do a test install to it and boot/work from there
[11:23] <RichEd> w00t :)
[11:23] <ogra_cmpc> oh, and the image is only 850M now
[11:23] <RichEd> w00t +n
[11:23] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: got my mail ?
[11:24] <ogra_cmpc> (the installer .... the instaleld system still takes teh whole disk)
[11:24] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, if its important tell me quickly here, i'm staying away from mail atm to get something done
[11:24] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: basically it's about a freeze exception for italc 1.0.7
[11:24] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: mebbe the whole disk is used ... not critical ... it's now < 1/2 the download volume & speed
[11:25] <RichEd> s/speed/time/
[11:25] <RichEd> makes tight logistics one or two sweat drops less stressful
[11:25] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: it fixes some bugs and make it a lot faster when you have >10 computers, though it also does some UI changes (removing useless stuff and dropping the Userlist panel) :(
[11:26] <ogra_cmpc> hmm, not sure about the UI stuff ...
[11:26] <ogra_cmpc> the others sound like proper bugfixes
[11:27] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, no no, the installed image didnt change much (size wise) its the same partitioning scheme as in gutsy ... you still have 6-700M space for the user
[11:29] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: well, I was wondering if we could get a FFe for it or should ask Tobias for separated patches (he of course would prefer that we ship 1.0.7 ...) ?
[11:30] <ogra_cmpc> i'll talk to pitti or slangasek
[11:31] <stgraber> thanks, I mailed you the detailed changelog
[11:31] <stgraber> (so you can read it once you have access to a mail client :))
[11:36] <ogra_cmpc> yup, thanks
[13:21] <profe_sp> holas
[13:21] <profe_sp> alguien en español
[13:24] <profe_sp> i have problems to config thinclients
[16:47] <mattward> hello. I am running a edubuntu server in Virtualbox on a machine that has one ethernet port. i am then pxe booting another vm in virtualbox on a second machine. The second vm is not seeing the first edubuntu vm... :) not sure why. is there some sort of config i have to do on the ed-vm? btw this is on a home network
[16:51] <johnny> yes
[16:51] <johnny> you have to set up bridging most likely
[16:51] <johnny> that is.. if you want them to have net
[16:52] <johnny> if you just want them to communicate locally you can use internal network
[16:52] <johnny> but NAT will not work
[16:52] <johnny> NAT is the default i think
[17:33] <mattward> thanks johnny i will try that
[17:34] <johnny> you don't set it on the vm tho
[17:34] <johnny> or rather
[17:34] <johnny> if you just want to use internal network and not have net from your ltsp client or server , then you dont' have to set anything except in the vm config
[17:35] <johnny> if you want them both to have access to the network, then you have to setup bridging on your host machine
[17:35] <johnny> with the generated macs in the vm config
[17:36] <johnny> my host machine is gentoo, so i can't exactly tell you how to do bridged networking in ubuntu/debian
[17:36] <johnny> but iirc there are instructions on the vbox site for how to do so
[17:39] <mattward> when i pxe boot the second vbox vm it does not find anything to boot from.. not sure if it is cause of nat on the lstp vm or not?
[17:39] <johnny> yes
[17:39] <johnny> it is
[17:39] <mattward> ah ok
[17:39] <mattward> so edubuntu vm should be bridged?
[17:39] <johnny> or internal network
[17:39] <mattward> right
[17:40] <mattward> cool thanks. now gotta get back to real work.. i will try that when i get home. :)
[17:48] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, How long is a typical release of Ubuntu supported and which is the nearest Long Term Supported release?
[17:49] <johnny> that's all on the site
[17:49] <johnny> whn you try to download it
[17:49] <johnny> the nearest one is in april
[17:49] <Muhammad_Saad> I have read the FAQ but could not find what I am looking for.
[17:49] <Muhammad_Saad> This April?
[17:50] <johnny> yes
[17:50] <johnny> when you try to download ubuntu, it tells you which release is lts
[17:51] <Muhammad_Saad> How long will 7.10 be supported?
[17:51] <johnny> not nearly as long :)
[17:51] <johnny> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[17:52] <Muhammad_Saad> Please tell me exactly how long is a usual release supported and what is the period of support for an LTS release?
[17:52] <Muhammad_Saad> I currently have the CD of 7.10
[17:52] <johnny> it says so
[17:52] <johnny> rightt here
[17:52] <johnny> on that link
[17:55] <Muhammad_Saad> I estimate that a usual release is supported for 1.5 years. Am I correct?
[17:56] <Muhammad_Saad> And an LTS release for 3 years.
[17:56] <Muhammad_Saad> Am I correct?
[17:58] <johnny> did you read?
[17:58] <Muhammad_Saad> Yes.
[17:58] <johnny> The "LTS" version of Ubuntu receives long-term support. 3 years for desktop versions and 5 years for server versions.
[17:58] <johnny> don'tforget server
[17:59] <Muhammad_Saad> If I install edubuntu 7.10 now, will I have to re-install it when the new version is available?
[17:59] <johnny> you can upgrade
[18:00] <Muhammad_Saad> How? I donot have a fast internet connection
[18:00] <Muhammad_Saad> I use dial-up
[18:00] <johnny> you can order a new cd
[18:00] <johnny> and upgrade from that
[18:01] <Muhammad_Saad> Will it provide me any options?
[18:01] <johnny> you use your current ubuntu and tell it touse the cd
[18:03] <Muhammad_Saad> How?
[18:03] <LaserJock> johnny: you can't upgrade from the shipit CDs
[18:03] <johnny> you can't tell the current ubuntu to use the new cd for packages?
[18:03] <LaserJock> well, maybe if you do Edubuntu
[18:03] <LaserJock> johnny: you can't upgrade via LiveCDs
[18:03] <johnny> why not?
[18:03] <johnny> that sounds kinda lame
[18:04] <LaserJock> there aren't any packages
[18:04] <LaserJock> it's a live system, not packages
[18:04] <Muhammad_Saad> I am asking such questions because I want to make everything sure before I install it. Please donot get mad if I ask too much questions. :)
[18:04] <LaserJock> so there's nothing there to use to upgrade
[18:04] <johnny> so, how are folks on dialup supposeds to upgrade?
[18:04] <Muhammad_Saad> So please tell me the detailed process to upgrade.
[18:04] <LaserJock> well, I would find a computer that has a good connection
[18:05] <LaserJock> to download the Alternate CD
[18:05] <johnny> that is no good..
[18:05] <johnny> and impossible in some places
[18:05] <LaserJock> yep, it's a very difficult issue
[18:05] <johnny> can't ubuntu provide an upgrade cd then?
[18:05] <LaserJock> not for free
[18:05] <johnny> that people can order?
[18:06] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm sure you can buy them
[18:06] <Muhammad_Saad> So should I wait for the LTS release?
[18:06] <LaserJock> you just have to get the Ubuntu Alternate CD
[18:06] <johnny> you can't order the alternate cd via shipit ?
[18:06] <Muhammad_Saad> What is Alternate CD?
[18:07] <LaserJock> johnny: no
[18:07] <johnny> i'm glad you spoke up then..
[18:07] <LaserJock> they're already spending millions I believe shipping free CDs to people
[18:07] <LaserJock> they don't want to ship any more than they have to
[18:07] <johnny> i bet many folks are getting shipit cds they can't use
[18:08] <LaserJock> well, a lot of people do fresh installs
[18:08] <johnny> does hardy's installer actually let you keep your /home ?
[18:08] <LaserJock> if you have a separate /home partition you can have it keep it I believe
[18:09] <LaserJock> I just backup and wipe the whole thing
[18:09] <johnny> not everybody has that luxury either
[18:09] <LaserJock> I know
[18:09] <LaserJock> it's a difficult issue
[18:09] <johnny> i know they were talking about adding that feature
[18:09] <johnny> adding an option to keep your home is not a difficult issue afaik
[18:09] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: the regular CD you get from Shipit and downloads is what is know as a LiveCD
[18:09] <johnny> it's just linux..
[18:10] <LaserJock> johnny: Ubuntu doesn't want people using separate /home partitions
[18:10] <johnny> then can't they rm -rf everything but /homet then?
[18:10] <johnny> or similiar
[18:10] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: a LiveCD has an actual Ubuntu installation that it runs off the CD
[18:11] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: a Alternate CD is another way to  install that isn't a LiveCD
[18:11] <LaserJock> it uses the actual software packages to install
[18:11] <Muhammad_Saad> Please tell me. If I install the current version and then I want to upgrade using the shipit CD, What do I have to do?
[18:11] <LaserJock> johnny: I would think that'd be quite error-prone,  but possibly
[18:12] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: I think you would want to backup the files you have and then do a new installation from the shipit CD
[18:13] <Muhammad_Saad> OK. Thanks for the help.
[18:14] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: if you can get access to an Alternate CD for Ubuntu 8.04 you could use that for upgrading
[18:14] <LaserJock> but I don't think you can get that from Shipit
[18:14] <Muhammad_Saad> how?
[18:14] <Muhammad_Saad> boot from the CD?
[18:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:14] <Muhammad_Saad> will it ask me to upgrade or install a fresh system?
[18:15] <LaserJock> I believe so
[18:15] <LaserJock> either that or you can put the CD in when you are logged into your current system
[18:15] <Muhammad_Saad> Isn't Edubuntu an Alternate CD?
[18:15] <LaserJock> well
[18:16] <LaserJock> Edubuntu 8.04 will use the Ubuntu Alternate CD for LTSP
[18:17] <LaserJock> so it may be available from shipit
[18:17] <LaserJock> but I don't know for sure
[18:17] <Muhammad_Saad> If I want to upgrade from the CD while logged in, what do I have to do?
[18:17] <LaserJock> I haven't heard the 8.04 shipit plans
[18:17] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: put the CD in
[18:17] <LaserJock> I think that should do it
[18:18] <Muhammad_Saad> automagically?
[18:18] <LaserJock> pretty much
[18:20] <Muhammad_Saad> Please hurry. I feel like I am going to be disconnected.
[18:20] <Muhammad_Saad> ok
[18:20] <Muhammad_Saad> I shall try that.
[18:21] <Muhammad_Saad> Now I have to leave. Thanks a lot for all the support.
[18:21] <LaserJock> I mean, you can install 7.10 now and see how it goes
[18:21] <LaserJock> then figure out how to upgrade later
[18:21] <LaserJock> maybe things will change in the mean time
[18:22] <Muhammad_Saad> May be, May be not.
[18:22] <LaserJock> but it's really not going to hurt anything
[18:22] <Muhammad_Saad> But at least I can try.
[18:23] <Muhammad_Saad> Bye.
[18:23] <LaserJock> cya
[18:27] <LaserJock> johnny: yeah, upgrading can be a beast if you don't have a decent internet connection
[19:09] <highvoltage> hmm, missed him
[20:22] <subsume> So would a common edubuntu configuration somehow block access to the WAN to all clients? I did something and all client internet access went down
[20:22] <subsume> yet NFS still loads
[20:22] <subsume> and they can see each other fine
[20:22] <subsume> I was installing a fat client on the server. I can't recall exactly what step stopped it. I am trying to isolate it before I go into the cables.
[20:23] <even> hi all
[20:23] <even> i'm looking for a how to for customize ltsp with icewm. where i found that ?
[20:59] <subsume> I thought net booting would be as simple as setting network boot in the bios but i am getting not found errors.
[21:21] <juliux> ogra, ping
[21:21] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, ping
[21:23] <subsume> juliux: ?? that to me?
[21:55] <subsume> What a ghosttown.
[22:39] <subsume> Anyone know why a thin client would hang at 'STarting system log daemon'??
[22:40] <johnny> are you using ldap?
[22:40] <johnny> i just know that i saw somebody have that problem only in that case, but i don't know what it is really related to
[22:49] <subsume> johnny: yes
[23:11] <subsume> All the clients in my edubuntu lab cannot connect to the internet. The server can connect.  What could be to blame?
[23:11] <subsume> I believe it happened while dist-ugprading
[23:17] <LaserJock> subsume: did you email edubuntu-users?
[23:17] <sudobash> subsume try ifconfig
[23:17] <subsume> LaserJock: No
[23:17] <subsume> sudobash: on client? ok
[23:17] <sudobash> yes
[23:18] <sudobash> tell me what it says
[23:20] <subsume> boink
[23:22] <subsume> I can ping the server... I know it can because the client machines have an NFS loaded home drive
[23:22] <subsume> from the server
[23:22] <subsume> sudobash: ^
[23:23] <sudobash> I think it is the gateway
[23:23] <subsume> hmm
[23:23] <subsume> Honestly this is an unfamiliar lab....
[23:24] <subsume> based on what i pasted you, is the gateway the router or the server?
[23:24] <sudobash> well it is wherever your Internet is coming from
[23:25] <sudobash> gateway to internet
[23:25] <sudobash> so the IP which houses the connection to the NET
[23:25] <sudobash> maybe you have an OpenBSD server with multiple NICS i dont know
[23:25] <subsume> sudobash: sadly I see nothing about gateway in what i pasted you from ifconfig
[23:25] <sudobash> or maybe it is a Netgear or Linksys Routers
[23:26] <subsume> edubuntu server, edubuntu clients, 3com wifi router connceting clients
[23:26] <sudobash> so the edubuntu is the server which has the NET and it is the Gateway
[23:27] <sudobash> go to System -> Administration-> Network
[23:27] <sudobash> and configure gateway on every machine as the Ed Server
[23:27] <sudobash> BRB
[23:28] <subsume> sudobash: hmm.
[23:30] <sudobash> that is what is i guarantee
[23:30] <sudobash> as long as the Net is not going to 3COM and is going to server
[23:30] <sudobash> there are a few ways to have it set up like you say
[23:30] <sudobash> multiple NIC's on the EDUserver
[23:30] <subsume> sudobash: there are two NICs on the server
[23:31] <sudobash> or having the 3COM hooked to the NET
[23:31] <sudobash> right so you probably have one NIC coming from NET and one coming from 3COM
[23:31] <sudobash> then your gateway is the SERVER
[23:31] <sudobash> not the 3com
[23:32] <sudobash> once you have configured the gateway in you will want to do this... you can even make a script
[23:32] <sudobash> sudo apt-get ra0 down
[23:32] <sudobash> sudo apt-get ra0 up
[23:32] <sudobash> wait
[23:32] <sudobash> sorry
[23:33] <subsume> sudobash: but this was all set up fine a day ago... maybe I can jsut fix whatever happened to the server to make it a dysfunctional gateway?
[23:33] <sudobash> wow how did i type that?
[23:33] <sudobash> sudo ifconfig ra0 down
[23:33] <sudobash> sudo ifconfig ra0 up
[23:34] <subsume> Ok, I'm confused.... "no" ?
[23:36] <sudobash> you asked if the gateway was in the info you gave
[23:37] <subsume> No.
[23:37] <sudobash> but you can tell it what gateway to use for the internet
[23:37] <subsume> What I mean is ....
[23:37] <subsume> sudobash: but this was all set up fine a day ago... maybe I can jsut fix whatever happened to the server to make it a dysfunctional gateway?
[23:38] <sudobash> i dont think it is a dysfunctional gateway i think is a weirdly configured network that needs proper network admin tasks done to it for it to work 100% of the time
[23:39] <sudobash> it is just proper technique as a Network Admin to set a Gateway address in situations like this
[23:39] <subsume> sudobash: oh yeah? ok.
[23:40] <sudobash> all the gateway does is say that is the PC with the INTERNET use that router to get to the NET
[23:40] <sudobash> route* not router
[23:41] <sudobash> TCP/IP traffic follows routes
[23:41] <sudobash> they may pass over several NICs while getting where they are going but it is all invisible unless you uncap your NIC with software
[23:44] <subsume> yeah you're kind of speaking above my head
[23:44] <subsume> but i think i get you
[23:44] <sudobash> but setting the gateway should work if it doesn't let me know and I will help you out some more
[23:45] <subsume> ok, thanks
[23:45] <subsume> sudobash: Do I run the risk of overflooding the gateway?
[23:45] <sudobash> how fast is your server?
[23:45] <sudobash> andhowmany clients accessing it?
[23:46] <subsume> maybe 25 clients
[23:46] <subsume> using NFS loaded home drive
[23:46] <subsume> "Fat clients"
[23:46] <sudobash> if it was windows i would say yes
[23:46] <sudobash> if the server was windows yes
[23:46] <sudobash> but Ubuntu I doubt it
[23:46] <subsume> hmm ok
[23:47] <sudobash> but you may have to setup more clients that can access storage
[23:47] <sudobash> like ftp and ssh even
[23:47] <sudobash> setup how many clients the daemons all allow at one time
[23:47] <sudobash> but maybe not 25 isnt too many
[23:48] <sudobash> if the server is of decent speed you should be fine
[23:48] <subsume> ok.
[23:48] <sudobash> tell me if the internet works when you set the gateway
[23:48] <subsume> have you set up thin-clients before?
[23:49] <sudobash> ummm some not very many... I can maybe get someone else to help you with it though
[23:49] <subsume> hmm
[23:49] <subsume> I'm not really sure how to set up the gateway.
[23:49] <subsume> is it the same as netmask?
[23:49] <sudobash> no the netmask is the subnetmask
[23:50] <sudobash> like 192.168.*.* is 255.255.255.0
[23:51] <sudobash> what you need to do is go to system-> administration->network and you should be able to specify an IP subnet and gateway along with DNS and what not
[23:51] <subsume> ok but I'm not even sure how to find out what the gateway should be
[23:51] <subsume> checked /etc/network/interfaces on server. nothing
[23:51] <sudobash> go to server and do ifconfig
[23:52] <subsume> I see nothing about gateway sudobash
[23:52] <sudobash> your client 192.168.0.150
[23:52] <subsume> yes
[23:52] <subsume> 0.10 is my server
[23:53] <sudobash> the gateway for 192.168.0.150 or whatever client there is... is going to be the IP of the Server... you have 2 nics
[23:53] <sudobash> one IP is going to be the Internet IP and one is going to be the Local Area Network IP
[23:53] <subsume> the one that goes out says IP = 1.5
[23:54] <subsume> so...  196.168.1.5?
[23:54] <sudobash> what is the other one
[23:54] <subsume> 0.10
[23:54] <sudobash> 192.168.1.5 is not reacable from 192.168.0.150
[23:54] <sudobash> *your client)
[23:54] <sudobash> (
[23:54] <subsume> ......
[23:54] <sudobash> so the gateway is the 0.10
[23:55] <sudobash> and 192.168.1.5 is the IP the houses the Net most likely
[23:55] <subsume> I'm really just not sure what you're even saying anymore
[23:55] <sudobash> 1 nic is on the clients network 1 is not
[23:56] <sudobash> yeah its hard to explain if you dont know much about networking
[23:56] <subsume> I already get most of what you are saying
[23:56] <subsume> But I'm not sure what you are implying I should do about all of this
[23:56] <sudobash> 192.168.1.5 is the Net IP most likely and 192.168.0.10 is the IP of the SERVER communicating with the clients
[23:57] <subsume> You said specify new gateway for clients, then said the new address is unreachable by the clients.
[23:57] <subsume> I could have told you a year ago 0.10 was the server
[23:57] <sudobash> they are bot the server but 0.10 is the one reachable by the clients not 1.5
[23:57] <sudobash> but*
[23:58] <subsume> yes....which leads me to believe some configuration in the server machine has gone awry and needs fixing
[23:58] <subsume> but to that you said, no, i need to redo something about the clients
[23:58] <subsume> which makes no sense because they were never touched in the first place
[23:58] <sudobash> tell me something
[23:59] <sudobash> is there a Modem of WAN cable plugged straight to the EDU Server
[23:59] <sudobash> like a cable or dsl modem
[23:59] <sudobash> or T1
[23:59] <sudobash> or T3?
[23:59] <subsume> Its hard to say because this thing goes into the ceiling but it looks to me like the server connects to a 3Com wifi router
[23:59] <sudobash> or maybe just a network cable coming from somewhere else (another server/router)
[23:59] <subsume> (hard plugged)
[23:59] <sudobash> yeah i figured that
[23:59] <subsume> I am talking to you right now by plugging myself into that same router