[00:22] edubuntu peoples: has edubuntu gone to the 'ubuntu addon' for 8.04? [00:22] LaserJock, morning mate (didnt spot you before) [00:22] hi [00:23] Edubuntu 8.04 is shipping an Ubuntu Educational Addon CD [00:23] so the 'installing edubuntu standalone' page that i'm looking at is probably incorrect? [00:25] yep [00:26] hm. [00:26] * Kamping_Kaiser goes to burn ubuntu with the edu expantion pack cds [00:26] bleh. after downloading them :| [00:27] kgoetz, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/8.04/alpha-6/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-6/ [00:27] bbs [00:34] LaserJock, is someone rewriting it? [00:35] not that I know [00:35] of [00:35] the Handbook either [00:38] heh, nobody ever wanted to do that [00:38] I wish our old team was here :-/ [00:38] i'm off to somewhere with a faster internet connection so i can download the edu addon cd. i'll be back as kgoetz in about an hour probably [00:39] enjoy Kamping_Kaiser [00:39] and i'll look at doing some reworking (after not using docbook for two years...heh) [00:40] . [00:41] I just messed up my edubuntu lab's internet connection. only server will connect. can someone please help? [00:42] subsume, flushed iptables, and reenable routing? [00:42] Kamping_Kaiser never done that.... could you please advise? [00:44] subsume, iptables -F and echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [00:44] however, i'm heading off [00:44] !tell subsume about private message [00:44] Kamping_Kaiser -- I know about priv messages I'm just using an unfamil irc client. =) [00:47] Kamping_Kaiser -- I did both of those things on the server machine and nothing is different [00:48] subsume, check your switches/cabling [00:48] * Kamping_Kaiser has to go for a bit [00:51] Kamping_Kaiser -- I really don't think its that. I see a new message relating to 'portmap' when the server starts up. could that be it? [00:55] Screwed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice? [00:58] Screwed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice? [00:59] don't repeat yourself, be patient [00:59] it's middle of the night for most of the folks here [01:02] I hate this fuckin room. [01:03] oookay ... [01:08] Can someone please help me. I dug myself into a hole--my edubuntu clients can't connect to the internet. [01:09] well, you weren't being very nice before, please don't swear [01:09] I thought I was in the #ubuntu room. Its such a circus in there. [01:10] k [01:10] Honestly I've never used bitchx to connect to IRC, this channel is always (not so full...but) full of knowledgable helpful people. [01:11] I'm not a lot of help, but perhaps give the error message [01:11] Anyway. I don't know what my problem is. I think it might have something to do with portmap running on the server? [01:11] I get a message on startup... but it scrolls to fast. [01:11] I flushed my iptables. [01:15] meh, this is impossible. [01:15] the debian community is so much more prevalent. [01:16] prevalent? [01:16] as in, when you run into something you can reliably find some pointers to working it out on IRC. [01:16] edubuntu is always dead and ubuntu is like an elementary school sandbox. [01:17] heh [01:18] this channel has it's active times, but is not as active as some channels for sure [01:18] you can also try #ltsp [01:18] I've gotta run [01:18] yepo. [01:20] subsume, you need to be a little bit more polite, and perhaps someone would help you [01:20] thanks for listening [01:24] back [01:29] So... any other takers? [01:34] hey kgoetz [01:35] subsume, no idea if this is related, but just read it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599166 [01:36] i'm a bit cross - the fast link at itshare is running at almost teh speed of my home connection. i assume its because of public holiday :| [01:36] you should probably run "sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys" anyway ... === pauljw_ is now known as pauljw [02:15] Not sure how that applies pygi =) [02:16] subsume, run the ssh ltsp-update-sshkeys pls? ^_^ [02:18] is there an ulternative mirror to cdimage.ubuntu.com if i want alpha-6? i'm starting to get really irate at this wait [02:18] in my haste i uninstalled ltsp. need to redo. [02:19] i will do that now. [02:24] pygi: i ran that. [02:40] hmf [02:43] Can I dist-upgrade edubuntu and end up with 7.10? [02:43] from 7.04 [02:44] yup [02:53] pygi: Why then does lsb_release -a still give me 7.04 after an apt-get dist-upgrade? [03:04] Meh found a doc and its working now. [03:34] Does anyone suppose a dist-upgrade of edubuntu should hang for 15 minutes on squid [03:34] ? [03:35] probably squids fault [03:36] what to do? [03:36] probably nothing, apart from uncleanly shut down squid [03:36] but its in the middle of a dist upgrade... [03:36] should I ctrlz? [03:37] so i'm clear - your upgrading squid? [03:37] no. dist-upgrade of edubuntu entire. [03:37] how is squid involved in the upgrade? its on the edubuntu system?> [03:37] I suppose so. [03:38] as long as your not upgrading *through* squid while you upgrade squid you would be ok to simply kill squid off [03:38] isn't it better just to let it run its course? [03:38] I'm not sure how I can kill squid off without calling off the whole dist-upgrade...kgoetz [03:38] calimer: yes it is [03:38] calimer for how many more minutes? [03:38] for as long as it takes [03:39] calimer what if the sun nova's first? problem solved? [03:39] when you start playing with it you tend to corrupt software [03:39] Setting up squid (2.6.14-1ubuntu2.1) ... [03:39] Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/squid ... [03:39] *hang* [03:39] I'm sure you are eager to use yoru comp [03:39] your [03:39] I got all night. =) [03:39] but maybe go watch a movie or some TV [03:39] Its a strange thing to hang on. [03:39] and come back and see what its status is [03:39] it's comps, it happens [03:40] but to kill it can't you open a new tab in the console and type uh ls -a I think it is [03:40] and then kill by the pid? [03:40] will that stop whole ugprade process? [03:40] honestly I would just let it keep going [03:40] if you break the upgrade, you can resume it later [03:40] it might hang next time you try too [03:41] just dont reboot a half upgraded sytem [03:41] the safest thing is to just go catch a movie or some TV and relax [03:41] let it do its thing [03:41] chances are it will move forward on its own [03:42] calimer -- this config file better have some shakespeare in it! [03:42] why in a mood for some romance? [03:42] haha [03:43] any config file that takes a computer an hour to write should potentially call the Turing commission to convene. [03:44] honestly I'm not much of an expert on what you are doing right now [03:44] my linux distro is mandrake 10.1 [03:44] just talking from my experience installing many many things [03:44] and messing stuff up when I got impatient, haha [03:45] if I kill the PID it will just move on? [03:45] dpkg is very forgiving, if you make the right scrifices [03:46] who knows [03:46] hmm [03:46] I might just kill it [03:46] seriously just go out for some pizza or something [03:46] by the looks of it I don't even WANT squid [03:46] no I'm gonna kill it! [03:46] I forgot what squid does, isn't it some network security type thing? [03:46] its a network caching service [03:47] the idiot who ran this lab beforehand must have thought itw as important [03:47] it's going to blow up [03:47] that would be a relief! [03:47] squid is a caching proxy [03:47] I will just switch industries if that's the case. [03:48] it allows you to plug extra stuff into it like dansguardian which makes it quite flexible [03:48] isn't dansguardian a firewall? [03:48] no, its a content filter [03:49] Now isn't that interesting......... ps -auwx is hanging. [03:49] why do people say linux doesn't need a firewall? [03:49] I think that is kind of crazy talk [03:49] calimer: why? [03:49] well I guess it doesn't NEED a firewall [03:49] but that isn't the same as it has the same protection as a win comp with a firewall [03:50] dont know about your distro, but the only open ports i have on my systems are ones i open. 80 and 64. [03:50] you cant say the same for a windows system [03:50] so maybe your distro has a built in firewall [03:50] no, it doesnt [03:51] then how would the other ports be closed on their own? [03:51] well, it does, because iptables is part of Linux, but its not filtering [03:51] and are they closed or stealthed? [03:51] thier not set to listen on external interfaces [03:51] closed. [03:51] so people can still see your comp [03:51] sure [03:51] I'm certainly no expert [03:51] but I just think it doesn't hurt to have a nix firewall too [03:51] whats a firewall goign to do for me? [03:52] stealth your ports [03:52] why would i want to? [03:52] so people can't see your comp that you don't want [03:52] which people? :) [03:52] bad people [03:53] haha [03:53] * kgoetz still isnt convinced ;) [03:53] I mean some are just crazy in general [03:53] well whatever works anyway [03:53] just stating my opinion [03:53] a public server, sure. firewall it. a home system? bugger that for paranoia [03:54] maybe I am a bit [03:54] though I'm a developer too [03:54] I can't even open a new terminal to that machine that was hanging... [03:54] so I can't really affort any problems [03:54] er [03:54] afford [03:54] subsume_: sounds like its under a lot of load [03:54] I used to host quite a few servers as wel [03:54] subsume_: is the HDD thrashing? [03:55] kgoetz: no [03:55] subsume_: hm. i'm wonering if dpkg has started an eternal loop [03:55] yeah. can I ctrl Z now? [03:56] Z is background. C is cancel [03:56] damn my game went to 8 out of 631 on moddb :( [03:56] oh that's a good one. [03:56] it lost top 5 BOOO [03:56] yes you can, but dont expect it to work instantly :) give it a minute to die off [03:56] ahaha [03:56] calimer: aw [03:56] why not just kill by pid [03:56] cleaner [03:56] hitting CTRL C just skiopped it and continued the install [03:56] calimer: he cant opena shell (he says) [03:56] ah well [03:57] shell is good for you [03:57] http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf69 [03:58] ogra_cmpc: ello [03:59] subsume_: adduser: `/usr/bin/gpasswd -M proxy winbindd_priv' exited from signal 2. Exiting. <- is the problem [03:59] crap now NFS is hanging too [04:00] subsume_: can you pastebin your sources.list? [04:00] I wish I could but I can't login from another terminal [04:01] are you doing this in single user mode, or full system? [04:02] root [04:02] I can't even use ps =( [04:02] is my system destroyed? [04:02] dpkg is locked. [04:03] root meaning? [04:03] * kgoetz hugs his bvd function [04:03] kgoetz: full system [04:04] Crap. [04:04] heh [04:04] I've never had a good time with Ubuntu [04:05] This _always_ happens. [04:05] I'm afraid to restart my system [04:05] subsume_: whats happening? [04:06] the physical terminal is just blinking [04:06] new SSH connections fail [04:06] my existing SSH connection cannot us ps [04:06] use [04:06] hm [04:06] obviously something is bad. [04:06] at a low level. [04:06] can you still access the logs? reporting a bug with [04:06] the pastebin you listed earlier and hte logs it references would probably be valuable [04:08] nope [04:08] can't access crap [04:08] terminal died. [04:08] I'm having a "wish I was using Debian" moment. [04:09] power cycle.... lets see what kind of fun happens. [04:11] psh [04:11] can't even login as root. [04:13] maybe an LDAP problem [04:13] how the heck do I get around that? [04:14] cant log in? usually when i get a live/install cd and chroot in and start fixing stuff up like that [04:20] kgoetz: and what on earth am I going to do therE? [04:20] subsume_: finish the upgrade [04:20] hm. ok. [04:28] kgoetz: will simply getting a shell into / and running dpkg be your first move? [04:30] subsume_: bind in /proc/ and /dev/ from the host, then chroot into the system and run `apt-get -f install` and `dpkg --configure --pending` [04:30] fix/remove/add as required to get those two commands to stop complaining. [04:37] kgoetz: found its choking on ldap-auth-config [04:37] Unknown terminal: bterm [04:38] never heard of bterm [04:38] dpkg: error processing ldap-auth-config (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error status 255 [04:38] try to dpkg --configure ldap-auth-config and see if it gives you a better error message [04:42] kgoetz: gives me the same error, more or less [04:44] subsume_: open up /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config and put 'set -ex' at the top then try to --configure again [04:46] hmm that's elaborate [04:46] ok [04:46] it should enable debug in the script [04:48] kgoetz: nothing different as far as i can see [04:48] that file didn't exist, btw. [04:48] subsume_: ah [04:49] subsume_: you need a .postinst sorry [04:49] what is that? [04:49] /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config.postinst [04:50] nickrud: k [04:52] kgoetz: got some additional output [04:52] [ ! ] ... PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 export PERL_DL_NONLAZY [ ] [05:11] nickrud: encountered this upon dist-upgrade http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf69 [09:38] hi kids! [09:39] * RichEd waves to highvoltage and shudders to imagine him as his dad [09:40] hah! [09:42] * RichEd sees his mother shuderring doubly so ;) [11:02] * ogra_cmpc curses intel for not at least putting a pinhole reset button in the classmate [11:03] hehe [11:05] they use an internal battery, so if i really kill the kernel in a mean way so that not even the power button works i have to dissamble the whole thing to yank the battery out [11:07] ah. thats going to cause problems [11:14] IT COPIES !!! [11:14] * ogra_cmpc dances around the classmate installer [11:16] hehe. [11:16] whats copying? [11:18] my installer [11:23] RichEd, i should be done with it by the end of the day, so a hardy image will be up tonight ... i've put some effort in this weekend to make it able to install to *any* attached device ... so if you have a usb key you can just do a test install to it and boot/work from there [11:23] w00t :) [11:23] oh, and the image is only 850M now [11:23] w00t +n [11:23] ogra_cmpc: got my mail ? [11:24] (the installer .... the instaleld system still takes teh whole disk) [11:24] stgraber, if its important tell me quickly here, i'm staying away from mail atm to get something done [11:24] ogra_cmpc: basically it's about a freeze exception for italc 1.0.7 [11:24] ogra_cmpc: mebbe the whole disk is used ... not critical ... it's now < 1/2 the download volume & speed [11:25] s/speed/time/ [11:25] makes tight logistics one or two sweat drops less stressful [11:25] ogra_cmpc: it fixes some bugs and make it a lot faster when you have >10 computers, though it also does some UI changes (removing useless stuff and dropping the Userlist panel) :( [11:26] hmm, not sure about the UI stuff ... [11:26] the others sound like proper bugfixes [11:27] RichEd, no no, the installed image didnt change much (size wise) its the same partitioning scheme as in gutsy ... you still have 6-700M space for the user [11:29] ogra_cmpc: well, I was wondering if we could get a FFe for it or should ask Tobias for separated patches (he of course would prefer that we ship 1.0.7 ...) ? [11:30] i'll talk to pitti or slangasek [11:31] thanks, I mailed you the detailed changelog [11:31] (so you can read it once you have access to a mail client :)) [11:36] yup, thanks [13:21] holas [13:21] alguien en español [13:24] i have problems to config thinclients === subsume_ is now known as subsume [16:47] hello. I am running a edubuntu server in Virtualbox on a machine that has one ethernet port. i am then pxe booting another vm in virtualbox on a second machine. The second vm is not seeing the first edubuntu vm... :) not sure why. is there some sort of config i have to do on the ed-vm? btw this is on a home network [16:51] yes [16:51] you have to set up bridging most likely [16:51] that is.. if you want them to have net [16:52] if you just want them to communicate locally you can use internal network [16:52] but NAT will not work [16:52] NAT is the default i think === subsume_ is now known as subsume [17:33] thanks johnny i will try that [17:34] you don't set it on the vm tho [17:34] or rather [17:34] if you just want to use internal network and not have net from your ltsp client or server , then you dont' have to set anything except in the vm config [17:35] if you want them both to have access to the network, then you have to setup bridging on your host machine [17:35] with the generated macs in the vm config [17:36] my host machine is gentoo, so i can't exactly tell you how to do bridged networking in ubuntu/debian [17:36] but iirc there are instructions on the vbox site for how to do so [17:39] when i pxe boot the second vbox vm it does not find anything to boot from.. not sure if it is cause of nat on the lstp vm or not? [17:39] yes [17:39] it is [17:39] ah ok [17:39] so edubuntu vm should be bridged? [17:39] or internal network [17:39] right [17:40] cool thanks. now gotta get back to real work.. i will try that when i get home. :) [17:48] Hello, How long is a typical release of Ubuntu supported and which is the nearest Long Term Supported release? [17:49] that's all on the site [17:49] whn you try to download it [17:49] the nearest one is in april [17:49] I have read the FAQ but could not find what I am looking for. [17:49] This April? [17:50] yes [17:50] when you try to download ubuntu, it tells you which release is lts [17:51] How long will 7.10 be supported? [17:51] not nearly as long :) [17:51] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download [17:52] Please tell me exactly how long is a usual release supported and what is the period of support for an LTS release? [17:52] I currently have the CD of 7.10 [17:52] it says so [17:52] rightt here [17:52] on that link [17:55] I estimate that a usual release is supported for 1.5 years. Am I correct? [17:56] And an LTS release for 3 years. [17:56] Am I correct? [17:58] did you read? [17:58] Yes. [17:58] The "LTS" version of Ubuntu receives long-term support. 3 years for desktop versions and 5 years for server versions. [17:58] don'tforget server [17:59] If I install edubuntu 7.10 now, will I have to re-install it when the new version is available? [17:59] you can upgrade [18:00] How? I donot have a fast internet connection [18:00] I use dial-up [18:00] you can order a new cd [18:00] and upgrade from that [18:01] Will it provide me any options? [18:01] you use your current ubuntu and tell it touse the cd [18:03] How? [18:03] johnny: you can't upgrade from the shipit CDs [18:03] you can't tell the current ubuntu to use the new cd for packages? [18:03] well, maybe if you do Edubuntu [18:03] johnny: you can't upgrade via LiveCDs [18:03] why not? [18:03] that sounds kinda lame [18:04] there aren't any packages [18:04] it's a live system, not packages [18:04] I am asking such questions because I want to make everything sure before I install it. Please donot get mad if I ask too much questions. :) [18:04] so there's nothing there to use to upgrade [18:04] so, how are folks on dialup supposeds to upgrade? [18:04] So please tell me the detailed process to upgrade. [18:04] well, I would find a computer that has a good connection [18:05] to download the Alternate CD [18:05] that is no good.. [18:05] and impossible in some places [18:05] yep, it's a very difficult issue [18:05] can't ubuntu provide an upgrade cd then? [18:05] not for free [18:05] that people can order? [18:06] yeah, I'm sure you can buy them [18:06] So should I wait for the LTS release? [18:06] you just have to get the Ubuntu Alternate CD [18:06] you can't order the alternate cd via shipit ? [18:06] What is Alternate CD? [18:07] johnny: no [18:07] i'm glad you spoke up then.. [18:07] they're already spending millions I believe shipping free CDs to people [18:07] they don't want to ship any more than they have to [18:07] i bet many folks are getting shipit cds they can't use [18:08] well, a lot of people do fresh installs [18:08] does hardy's installer actually let you keep your /home ? [18:08] if you have a separate /home partition you can have it keep it I believe [18:09] I just backup and wipe the whole thing [18:09] not everybody has that luxury either [18:09] I know [18:09] it's a difficult issue [18:09] i know they were talking about adding that feature [18:09] adding an option to keep your home is not a difficult issue afaik [18:09] Muhammad_Saad: the regular CD you get from Shipit and downloads is what is know as a LiveCD [18:09] it's just linux.. [18:10] johnny: Ubuntu doesn't want people using separate /home partitions [18:10] then can't they rm -rf everything but /homet then? [18:10] or similiar [18:10] Muhammad_Saad: a LiveCD has an actual Ubuntu installation that it runs off the CD [18:11] Muhammad_Saad: a Alternate CD is another way to install that isn't a LiveCD [18:11] it uses the actual software packages to install [18:11] Please tell me. If I install the current version and then I want to upgrade using the shipit CD, What do I have to do? [18:11] johnny: I would think that'd be quite error-prone, but possibly [18:12] Muhammad_Saad: I think you would want to backup the files you have and then do a new installation from the shipit CD [18:13] OK. Thanks for the help. [18:14] Muhammad_Saad: if you can get access to an Alternate CD for Ubuntu 8.04 you could use that for upgrading [18:14] but I don't think you can get that from Shipit [18:14] how? [18:14]