[00:05] <ScottK2> So I'll upload it if I can get through a test build and have connectivity to upload ...
[00:10] <ScottK2> "Need to get 9927kB/89.6MB of archives" - I think it's unlikely I'll get that through airport wifi.  If it doesn't get done, I'll upload it tomorrow.
[00:19] <ScottK2> Riddell: If you want to look at something to add to upstream for kde-guidance you might look at the NMU that was just uploaded in Debian and see if you can solve any of those issues upstream.
[00:25] <vorian> ScottK2: isn't that what that bug is for? (keurocalc?)
[00:25] <vorian> and hello :)
[00:29] <_StefanS_> .
[00:34] <kitterma> Uploaded and boarding a plane ...
[00:55] <Hobbsee> LjL: since when are they legit?
[00:56] <LjL> Hobbsee, it's a pretty legitimate turkish ISP, and there's been quite a few people joining from there in #ubuntu - and Aranel (the guy who was in -ops wondering why he was banned) certainly seemed legitimate
[00:56] <Hobbsee> LjL: they weren't last time
[00:56] <Hobbsee> but yes, it's a reasonably wide ban
[00:57] <LjL> Hobbsee, sure the vast majority have been spambots during certain periods, but it's still just an ISP
[00:57] <Hobbsee> just nuke the turks :)
[00:58] <LjL> Hobbsee: i've nuked the spaniards, see #ubuntu-83
[00:58] <vorian> 0.0
[00:58] <Hobbsee>  HAH
[00:58]  * vorian hides
[00:58] <Hobbsee> OOPS, CAPS
[01:00] <Aranel> Banning a country 'cause of spammers like killing a fly with rocket launcher :)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Aranel: depends what the s/n ratio is
[01:01] <Aranel> i cant see any spammers now :) i think they're bored and left this "important mission".
[01:09] <jjesse> evening
[01:09] <jjesse> why is it so hard to find power in o'hare airport?
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: flying around again?
[01:13] <jjesse> yeah trying to get to washington dulles airport and the plane is delay for 2 hours or so
[01:14] <jjesse> won't leave until 11:30 CST instead of 9:30
[01:14] <jjesse> so it will be supr late tonight :(
[01:26] <jjesse> i see kopete has been reved for kde4 when does konverstation get its turn?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> when they actually finish it
[01:27] <jjesse> just was curious if anyone knew
[01:28] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee btw
[01:30] <jjesse> dang it nixternal for closing bugs i've assinged to myself ;)
[01:30] <nixternal> hehe
[01:30] <jjesse> jerk :)
[01:31] <nixternal> ya, I noticed that but was like, screw keepin' um open if they are that old...if they think they think they are bugs they can reopen um :p
[01:31] <nixternal> I won't do it anymore
[01:31]  * nixternal crosses fingers
[01:31] <nixternal> I promise :p
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse
[01:31] <jjesse> nixternal: you just have to keep[ your 5-a-day numbers up don't you :)
[01:31] <Hobbsee> yay, close the bugs!
[01:31] <nixternal> heh, I went over a week w/o touching my 5-a-day stuff
[01:32] <jjesse> i usually get a chance to work on my 5-a-day when i'm on my vista box and can't use the 5-a-day tool
[01:32] <jjesse> so i usually upload the day after
[01:32] <nixternal> ya, if there are bugs like 5 years old and I can't reproduce them, I just close them and let them know that if they feel it is still an issue, to go ahead and reopen the report with more information on how to reproduce it, or at least a crash log if applicable
[01:40] <jjesse> awesome flight now showing 11:45 departure time
[01:42] <ryanakca> hmm... can someone try to confirm bug 199441 please? I can't seem to reproduce here
[01:43] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 199441 in adept "adept toolbar buttons not disabled while installing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199441
[01:55] <jjesse> ryanakca: i am not able to confirm
[01:55] <ryanakca> jjesse: thanks :))
[01:58] <jjesse> ryanakca: np
[02:25] <ryanakca> umm... Do we support linspire bugs under kubuntu-meta? bug 200306, read "I just did a fresh install of Linspire 6.0 with the Ubuntu Feisty 7.4 OS."
[02:25] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 200306 in kubuntu-meta "kmplayer prevents kde install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200306
[02:25] <ryanakca> My guess is no.
[02:31] <nixternal> ryanakca: holy smokes, that is a first that I can remember that a dirivative posted a bug report on LP
[02:32] <ryanakca> lol. Reject :)
[02:33] <ryanakca> nixternal: would you keep bug #193843 under kubuntu-meta, or should I switch it to synaptic? I'm also guessing it's a "Won't be fixed in the forseable future" type bug?
[02:33] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 193843 in kubuntu-meta "Please port synaptic to KDE or Qt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193843
[03:26] <nixternal> I would move that bad boy to Synaptic as a wishlister
[04:12] <n8k99> tried to upgrade to hardy
[04:12] <n8k99> but the atheros driver for my wifi was not detected
[09:16] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:17] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[09:18] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you notice any issue with knetworkmanager ?
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: mine can't initiate wireless connections
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I couldn't get any confirmation this  we
[09:18] <Riddell> havn't tried 0.6.6
[09:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: the application globally works, except than I have to use nm-applet to connect to wireless networks
[09:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum okay :)
[09:20] <Riddell> knetworkmanager works with latest version and latest network-manager and libnm-util0 for me
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: so you can connect to wireless networks and so on ?
[09:21] <Riddell> yes
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: then I have a local problem....
[09:22] <Tonio_> lemme try to reconnect
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact it looks like the connection is very long and knm times out for me
[09:27] <Tonio_> nm-applet doesn't
[10:14] <jpetso> how can i find out what goes wrong when suspending my laptop
[10:14] <jpetso> assuming that it works in kde 3 and doesn't in kde 4
[10:34] <sebas> jpetso: composite involved, maybe?
[10:35] <jpetso> sebas: is there any way to get debug output on what fails?
[10:35] <jpetso> sebas: i'll try without composite
[10:36] <jpetso> sebas: how does guidance-power-manager invoke suspend?
[10:37] <jpetso> sebas: nope, composite is innocent
[10:39] <Riddell> jpetso: through hal
[10:39] <sebas> Usually via HAL
[10:39] <jpetso> hey, it just worked
[10:39] <jpetso> using guidance-power-manager, at least - with desktop locking disabled
[10:39] <sebas> jpetso: usual way to debug suspend problems is to boot with init=/bin/sh and try
[10:40] <sebas> then add driver modules one by one and try to find out which fails
[10:40] <jpetso> so the logout dialog suspend invocation doesn't work while guidance-power-manager does
[10:40] <sebas> Wait, does the invocation fail, or does suspend fail (i.e. hang, no resume, ...)?
[10:40] <jpetso> it doesn't go into suspend mode
[10:41] <sebas> desktop locking is broken in powermanager running on KDE4, I should eventually fix that
[10:41] <sebas> I'm usually invoking suspend through a script, all other methods failing
[10:41] <sebas> So I guess it never worked for me through the logout dialogue
[10:42] <sebas> Need to prepare for today's trip now ... let me know when you find out what's going wrong
[10:42] <jpetso> ok
[10:42] <jpetso> thanks for your help :)
[10:43] <jpetso> Riddell: cool FOSDEM talk, btw
[10:44] <Riddell> jpetso: thanks, it went better than expected
[10:44] <jpetso> Riddell: now i finally know which wiki page to consider if i want to package something :D
[10:46] <Nightrose> re from cebit :)
[10:46] <Riddell> hi Nightrose!
[10:47] <Riddell> Nightrose: is apachelogger there?
[10:47] <sebas> jpetso: try "solidshell power suspend to_ram"
[10:47] <Nightrose> he was talking on irc a few minutes ago so I guess he is back at home as well
[10:47] <jpetso> sebas: k
[10:48] <sebas> That's what the logout dialogue is probably calling, something you can strace :)
[10:48] <sebas> !afk
[10:48] <theunixgeek> What do you guys think about "C++ GUI Programming with Qt 4"?
[10:48] <ubotwo> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[10:48] <Riddell> theunixgeek: which one is that again? author?
[10:48] <sebas> theunixgeek: Pretty good book to get you started?
[10:48] <jpetso> sebas: works
[10:49] <sebas> Blanchett, Summerfield
[10:49] <jpetso> sebas: works
[10:49]  * Nightrose is still tired after a wek of cebit with _a lot_ of people who had no idea what open source is at all
[10:49] <sebas> jpetso: Then I don't know :>
[10:49] <theunixgeek> Riddell: Jasmin Blanchette and Mark Summerfield
[10:49] <Nightrose> quite depressing  sometimes
[10:49] <theunixgeek> sebas: yes, to begin Qt.
[10:49] <sebas> Nightrose: Well, now they know :>
[10:49] <jpetso> sebas: must be something trivial then, maybe i can find out myself from now on :)
[10:49] <sebas> theunixgeek: A good start, I've read it myself
[10:49] <sebas> jpetso: Otherwise, ervin is the guy you want to bug
[10:49] <Riddell> theunixgeek: if you know some c++ and OO programming, that's a good intro to Qt
[10:49] <Nightrose> sebas: ;-) true - but it is sad to see how much we still have to do
[10:50] <theunixgeek> Riddell: good :)
[10:50] <theunixgeek> thanks for the opinions
[10:50] <jpetso> sebas: ok
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: heay
[10:53] <apachelogger> -a
[10:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: hola, I've e-mailed
[10:56]  * apachelogger is drowning in mails
[10:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: mine is quite important if you could
[11:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I can't find it. Did you just send it?
[11:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, to harald@getamarok.c om
[11:04] <apachelogger> ah
[11:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: the spam filter on the getamarok domain is hungry today :)
[11:06] <Tm_T> apachelogger: feeed meeeee
[11:06]  * Tm_T hides
[11:11]  * apachelogger gives Tm_T a 'Microsoft - Novell - INTEROP X ABILITY' wristband
[11:11] <Tm_T> danke
[11:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: thx :) - and nope I was not invited - as far as I can see - checking mails again now though
[11:17] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe it end up in some spam folder (also check your getamarok one :)
[11:17] <Nightrose> doing now
[11:21] <\sh> sebas: dude, wine is working again :) hopefully it works for you too :)
[11:21] <\sh> .oO(0.9.57 is on its way btw)
[11:22] <\sh> moins btw :)
[11:22] <Riddell> only 0.0.04 away from completion!
[11:22] <Riddell> hmm, katapult calculator doing something funny there
[11:22] <\sh> Riddell: you mean 0.0.43 ;)
[11:23] <Riddell> yes, speedcrunch gets it right
[11:23] <\sh> lol
[11:23] <\sh> and now I'm three weeks home alone ... crap
[11:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nothing in spam either but replied to the other mail
[11:32] <\sh> Nightrose: do you want to go by car or train to linuxtag?
[11:32] <Nightrose> \sh: probably car as it looks like I need to take the kde booth box from karlsruhe to berlin
[11:33] <Nightrose> dunno how this will work but we will see ;-)
[11:33] <\sh> Nightrose: ok...let's meet at some time somewhere to plan all the things :)
[11:33] <Nightrose> sure :)
[11:35] <\sh> Nightrose: what about this friday? :) I think it's time for a beer again ;)
[11:35] <Nightrose> hehe lemme check
[11:38] <Nightrose> *lol* you know what day that is?
[11:38] <Nightrose> but yea
[11:38] <Nightrose> sounds good
[11:40] <\sh> Nightrose: aehm no?
[11:40] <\sh> Nightrose: 14th :)
[11:41] <Nightrose> google calendar says it is "Pi day" and "steak and BJ day" :P
[11:41] <\sh> pi day?
[11:41] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:41] <\sh> steak and bj day? BJ as in "franzoesisch"?
[11:42] <Nightrose> right
[11:42] <\sh> what?
[11:42] <\sh> Nightrose: now what's BJ day?
[11:43] <Nightrose> ;-) well let's drink a beer on friday and talk about linuxtag
[11:43]  * Nightrose thinks \sh should google that
[11:43] <Nightrose> back to reading mails from last week
[11:44] <\sh> Nightrose: let's just forget the BJ from this day...this is .. I should file a take google down notice to google
[11:44] <apachelogger> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3913/
[11:44] <apachelogger> ah
[11:44] <Nightrose> ;-)
[11:45] <\sh> Nightrose: btw...it tells me about 14th feb...but we have march ;)
[11:45] <apachelogger> love all across the community
[11:45] <apachelogger> :S
[11:45] <\sh> http://www.petitiononline.com/320BJ/petition.html
[11:45] <\sh> oh no
[11:45] <\sh> 20th march...
[11:49] <jussi01> apachelogger: hei, I have a small bug for you
[11:50] <jussi01> apachelogger: its ubuntu specific, so for consideration when you get quassel into ubuntu repos.
[11:51] <apachelogger> hm, gmail has 34 bugs :-P
[11:52] <jussi01> apachelogger: There have been bugs filed with the other clients in ubuntu to have the default port used as 8001 instead of 6667, Id assume it would be good to have quassel like that also
[11:52] <mok0> Where should I report a serious bug in konqueror?
[11:53] <jussi01> !bug
[11:53] <ubotwo> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[11:53] <apachelogger> jussi01: what is the reason for that?
[11:53] <mok0> jussi01: You mean LP, not KDE?
[11:54] <Riddell> mok0: it depends if it's a kubuntu bug or a KDE bug, bugs.kde.org if it's the latter
[11:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[11:54] <mok0> It's a KDE  bug.
[11:55] <mok0> The problem arises if the </title> tag is missing
[11:55] <mok0> The konqueror thinks the whole document is the title :-)
[12:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: I don't exactly see what I can do against this?
[12:03] <jussi01> apachelogger: when the program loads first, and you go to setup a network, the current default port is 6667, this should be 8001
[12:04] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:04] <apachelogger> since when is 8001 a default IRC server port?
[12:06] <apachelogger> jussi01: anyway, konversation doesn't patch that either
[12:06] <apachelogger> and since it isn't a security issue I also feel rather unintended to fix that
[12:06] <jussi01> apachelogger: afaik, all the major clients have bugs filed against them
[12:07] <apachelogger> not konversation
[12:07] <apachelogger> there only the port is changed for the default setup in k-d-s
[12:08] <apachelogger> also that this annoyance is caused by stupid hardware vendors, which makes makes me think we should inflame our users instead of working around in advantage for the hardware vendors
[12:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: hmm, I know bugs were meant to be filed, as it was spoken about on #ubuntu-ops but Im not sure if people filed them yet
[12:10] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: what's the problem with 8001?
[12:10] <apachelogger> well, quassel isn't in ubuntu yet anyway - still I, for one, wouldn't maintain a src patch for that issue unless like 90% of #ubuntu go off and on the very same moment
[12:10] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: is that a port used by the majority of irc servers?
[12:10] <apachelogger> because
[12:10] <apachelogger> the thing is....
[12:11] <apachelogger> quassel doesn't provide a default server list (yet)
[12:11] <apachelogger> so I would have to change the default port for _all_ network creations in quassel
[12:11] <Riddell> hi _StefanS_, do you have some screenshots of your current artwork?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: it's only set as the default for irc.ubuntu.com sin't it?
[12:12] <apachelogger> yeah, that's what I think
[12:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes, just a moment
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/kdm.png
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/ksplash-login.png
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will some of the desktop in a moment
[12:19] <_StefanS_> +have
[12:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://enhance-it.dk/hardy/snapshot5.png
[13:10] <Riddell> _StefanS_: that all looks good, I say we get it in toot sweet
[13:11] <Riddell> _StefanS_: are you able to commit to kubuntu-default-settings and make a patch to the window decorator?
[13:24] <mok0> Grrrr! How do I get autoconf to use gfortran instead of g77??
[14:23] <Riddell> nixternal: KubuntuReleaseNotesTemplate looks fine, maybe we'll get a more difinitive status soon
[14:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I can commit to kubuntu-default-settings in the evening, Tonio_ promised to package the windeco for me as it requires some binary diffs
[14:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yup that's planned :)
[14:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet.
[14:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: ETA?
[14:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its an update to the windeco already present, so I guess its just considered a bugfix
[14:33] <Tonio_> eta ? what does this mean ?
[14:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: when.
[14:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: toonight, it'll be done
[14:34] <_StefanS_> cool.
[14:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Maybe you can help me out if I run into probs on k-d-s also
[14:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: about the presets for style etc.
[14:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure I can
[14:36] <Tonio_> what needs to be done ?
[14:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just enable qtcurve with preset, and wallpaper change for desktop, kdm and ksplash
[14:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and enable the right theme for crystal windeco
[14:39] <_StefanS_> thats it.
[14:39] <Riddell> kde-style-qtcurve is in universe
[14:40] <Riddell> it needs a main inclusion report and poking someone to review it
[14:41] <_StefanS_> uhm..
[14:41] <_StefanS_> so we cant make it?
[14:41] <Riddell> we can if there's a  main inclusion report and someone reviews it
[14:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we want to change the default now ?
[14:43] <Riddell> now or never
[14:44] <_StefanS_> who can write that inclusion report?
[14:44] <Riddell> you!
[14:44] <_StefanS_> heh thought so :)
[14:45] <_StefanS_> url?
[14:45] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[14:45] <Riddell> using https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportTemplate
[14:47] <_StefanS_> argh.. its going to be tonight then.. too much to write for me now
[14:47] <_StefanS_> gotta go. see you tonight
[15:30]  * ryanakca has decided that he's going to be using KDE4 from trunk apps whereever possible for the next week :)
[15:32] <seele> when does planning for Intrepid begin?  before or after hard is released next month?
[15:40] <Jucato> doesn't it usually happening during UDS?
[15:40] <seele> yeah, but we have to plan what we are covering at UDS at some point
[15:40] <seele> i just dont know if i should start bringing stuff up now or wait until hardy is released
[15:40] <Jucato> ah. that could be the topic for next meeting? :)
[15:43] <seele> if it is the one at 20:00 UTC?
[15:43] <seele> yeah.. looks like it
[15:43] <Jucato> 23:00 UTC :)
[15:44] <seele> oh, better fix my calendar
[15:44] <seele> oh hmm..
[15:45] <seele> when do non-US people do daylight savings?  this weekend?
[15:45] <seele> i always forget if we are one week or two weeks out of wack with the rest of the world
[15:45] <Jucato> hm. very few non-US countries do. but according to kicker, the US is back to the sane times
[15:45] <Nightrose> A
[15:46]  * Nightrose staps irssi
[15:46] <Jucato> :)
[15:46] <seele> is that a slap or a stab?
[15:46] <Jucato> or a stop?
[15:46] <Nightrose> stab - slap maybe later ;-)
[15:47] <seele> him, so we are -4 instead of -5..
[15:47] <Jucato> EST? -4 UTC (again according  to kicker)
[15:47] <Riddell> Jucato: plenty of countries do summer time
[15:48] <Jucato> Riddell: oh...
[15:48] <seele> Jucato: yes
[15:48]  * Jucato considers himself lucky :)
[15:49] <Jucato> hm... -5 +1 it seems: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179
[15:50] <seele> oh, so that means the 11:00 UTC meetings will be at a respectable time and i might even be awake
[17:02] <Mez> Riddell, are we too late now to do a sync from debian ?
[17:03] <Mez> (for katapult when it's changes are pushed there)
[17:04] <Riddell> Mez: no but mind beta freeze is on thursday
[17:05] <Mez> Riddell, hopefully it'll get through today
[17:05]  * Mez needs an ever attentive and doting DD
[17:05] <Riddell> obvious bugfix only sync before then is fine, anything more neeeds release team approval (moi)
[17:05] <Mez> Riddell, its the ubuntu changes + dash ftbfs (debian release) + slovak translation update + actually linking against the proper libs
[17:06] <Mez> s/debian release/debian release goal/
[17:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's happened to the flash installer in konqueror?
[17:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: last time I tested, it worked
[17:33] <Tonio_> a few weeks ago
[17:33] <Tonio_> 2 maybe 3
[17:33] <Riddell> I can't see the patches for it now
[17:36] <nixternal> argh, seems one of the latest updates destroyed my audio, and now everytime audio tries to play my system crashes
[17:36] <nixternal> that rocks!
[17:36] <n8k99> nixternal: is that on gutsy?
[17:36] <nixternal> hardy
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: lost when going 3.5.9 ?
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have a look
[17:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: should the patches be in kdebase?
[17:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdelibs afaicr
[17:37] <nixternal> knetworkmangler is crashing, anyone know about that already?
[17:38] <Mez> Riddell, it's just been uploaded to debian. Should I file a sync request?
[17:39] <Riddell> Mez: yes if you can point to where to find it
[17:39] <Mez> lol - I'll wait till tomorrow then
[17:39] <nixternal> groovy, already fixed the sound issue with the kernel
[17:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I see kubuntu_62_flash_installer.diff in kdelibs, although konqueror doesn't seem to pop up the installer
[17:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: it doesn't on every website
[17:43] <Riddell> I was looking at an issue where it warns about flashplayer.xpt not existing
[17:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum maybe that file was removed from the latest binary downloadable
[17:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: if so, the configuration is in kds
[17:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, I see what needs changed there, thanks
[17:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're welcome :)
[17:58] <ryanakca> hmm... incredible how many excruciatingly old, untouched bugs we have still marked "Invalid"...
[18:00] <Riddell> doesn't launchpad close those eventually?
[18:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: I think it just sets them as "Exprirable"... dunno
[18:04] <ryanakca> There's a few here from 04, 05 and 06 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+expirable-bugs
[18:04] <ryanakca> s/Invalid/Incomplete/g
[18:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Fix and enable KDE 4 settings" you sure that works?
[18:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[18:18] <apachelogger> I told nixternal to test it
[18:18] <apachelogger> dunno whether he did
[18:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: the lines in the makefile aren't uncommented yet I think
[18:18] <Serega> what is better in pykde script: i18n or ki18n?
[18:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, what to do with bug #191475
[18:23] <apachelogger> bug 191475 maybe
[18:23] <apachelogger> apparently the bot doesn't like me today
[18:26] <jussi01> the bot is dead.
[18:27] <apachelogger> yay
[18:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/191475
[18:37] <ScottK2> Riddell: The kde-guidance upload I did yesterday contained 5 patches (kubuntu_09 - 13).  All except for 11 should be committed upstream.
[18:44] <manchicken> The alpha6 installer doesn't like vmware. :'(
[18:45] <manchicken> But maybe that's because I'm trying to use konqueror at the same time.
[18:45] <manchicken> It's the kde4 image I'm talking about.
[18:55] <seele> Riddell: you're mentoring the LF Printing dialog?
[18:55] <seele> for SoC?
[19:07] <yuriy> printing dialog?
[19:31]  * ryanakca wonders if writing a patch for Konqueror to add the Ubuntu search engine shortcut? (similar to gg: for google, dbug: for debian BTS, wp: for wikipetia, etc)
[19:31] <ryanakca> Same for search K(U)buntu bugs on Launchpad
[19:31] <ryanakca> s/shortcut/shortcut would be usefull/g
[19:34] <smarter> BTW, the upkg: Konqueror shortcut should be updated
[19:34] <smarter> when you use it you get this on top of the page: "You reached this site over an old URL. Depending on the exact parameters your search might work or not."
[19:35] <smarter> ryanakca: you don't need to write a patch, it's in kubuntu-default-settings
[19:35] <ryanakca> smarter: ah, oops :)
[19:36] <smarter> and you can create them yourself if you right-click on the  search bar
[20:11] <apachelogger> hm
[20:11] <apachelogger> smarter: I think you just won the right to update the upkg shortcut
[20:12] <smarter> huzzah
[20:49] <mzungu> ScottK: re bug 156031 - how can i help?
[20:51]  * ScottK2 looks for the bug
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> bug #156031
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> !bug #156031
[20:52] <Tm_T> ubotu: are you dead yet? *blam*
[20:54] <smarter> apachelogger: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts is not maintened with bazaar
[20:55] <mzungu> i just got mail on it from you
[20:55] <mzungu> no?
[20:55] <ScottK2> Right
[20:55] <ScottK2> That one
[20:55] <mzungu> :)
[20:55] <ScottK2> LP finally loaded the page
[20:56] <ScottK2> mzungu: The big question is the one I added in the bug.
[20:57] <ScottK2> We've had problems before with kparts and low memory systems
[20:57] <mzungu> ok - 512MB RAM - 1GB swap
[20:57] <ScottK2> Please start a python shell
[20:57] <mzungu> how?
[20:58] <mzungu> (sorry ;) )
[20:58] <ScottK2> Open a console window
[20:58] <ScottK2> No problem
[20:58] <ScottK2> and then type python
[20:58] <mzungu> k
[20:58] <mzungu> yup
[20:59] <ryanakca> Umm... bug 200306 ... is a bug for Linspire, which supposedly uses Ubuntu packages. I'm not too sure, the bug might also be in our packages. Or it might just be that someone from Linspire messed them up. Invalid?
[20:59] <ubot3> Malone bug 200306 in kubuntu-meta "kmplayer prevents kde install" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200306
[20:59] <ScottK2> Then type (you can copy/paste): from kparts import konsolePart,TerminalInterface
[21:00] <ScottK2> ryanakca: I generally mark them invalid and welcome them to reopen the bug if the problem can be replicated on Kubuntu.
[21:00] <mzungu> yup
[21:00] <ScottK2> mzungu: Any errors?
[21:00] <ScottK2> ryanakca: That one's definitely invalid
[21:01] <mzungu> nope - just returned to py prompt
[21:01] <ScottK2> OK.  that's what it should do.
[21:01] <mzungu> no message of any kind
[21:01] <mzungu> k
[21:01] <ScottK2> mhb: You around?
[21:01] <ScottK2> mzungu: mhb knows a lot more about gdebi-kde than me.
[21:02] <mzungu> ok
[21:02] <mzungu> so for you, when you rt-click on a .deb in konq, it installes ok?
[21:03] <ScottK2> I didn't try that.  I just did it on the command line and it worked fine.
[21:03] <ScottK2> It's worked for me in the past.
[21:03] <ryanakca> heh, I can't even seem to find a Linspire BTS to forward the guy to.
[21:03] <mzungu> ah - i was playing the part of the uneducated user ;)
[21:04] <mzungu> (ie. the soon-to-be majority ;)
[21:04] <ScottK2> mzungu: No problem.  That should work.  But given the error you report it shouldn't matter which way it's launched
[21:04] <ScottK2> ryanakca: Just mark it invalid and say it's not a Kubuntu bug.
[21:04] <nixternal> my keyboard bug has shown its ugly face again
[21:04] <nixternal> it has been gone for so long too
[21:05] <smarter> i've keyboard bugs too
[21:06] <mzungu> ScottK2: is there anywhere a kind of 'dummy' .deb to install - i dont want to mess anything up - then i can play with it.
[21:06] <ryanakca> me three :)
[21:06] <nixternal> like a sticky key issue?
[21:06] <smarter> my f12 key sometimes stay stuck for no reasons
[21:06] <ryanakca> Sometimes the Ctrl key gets stuck (even though it isn't physically stuck), thus having multiple wierd effects and requiring login/out...
[21:06] <nixternal> hahaha, yup you got it too!
[21:06] <ScottK2> mzungu: Not that I know of.  Given the way gdebi works it'll either install stuff correctly or not at all.  As long as you pick a package to install you don't mind having on your system, it should be safe.
[21:07] <nixternal> w00t, I am not alone
[21:07] <smarter> i feel better know :p
[21:07] <ryanakca> nixternal: Have a bug ID I can confirm?
[21:07] <smarter> this drive me crazy
[21:07] <smarter> i almost destroyed my f12 key :p
[21:07] <nixternal> ryanakca: there are about a 100 of them somewhere
[21:08] <mzungu> k - i'll revert
[21:09]  * ryanakca is slowly catching up to nixternal's wopping 287 bugs :)
[21:10] <ryanakca> s/287/281
[21:13] <nixternal> today will be a slow bug day, as I will be uploading patches
[21:15] <ScottK2> nixternal: Isn't that completely the opposite of what it should be.
[21:29] <_StefanS_> evening
[21:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[21:32] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: When I add the klamav patch you helped me with to the Debian version of the package, do you want a mention in the changelog?
[21:33] <_StefanS_> ScottK2: no dont bother :)
[21:33] <ScottK2> mzungu: Since it appears mhb is not around (probably sleeping), please add the RAM/swap info to the bug and hopefully he'll look at it.
[21:33] <ScottK2> _StefanS_: OK.  Up to you.
[21:34] <mzungu> ok - latest - it appears to be working now - mebbe since gutsy initial release, some other update has fixed it?
[21:35] <ScottK2> mzungu: You were using gutsy as released with no updates?
[21:35] <ScottK2> Before i mean
[21:36] <mzungu> originally, when i reported - it was about 1 week after release - my system has been updated many times since then
[21:36] <ScottK2> Ah.
[21:36] <ScottK2> I see.
[21:36] <mzungu> (by normal security updates etc)
[21:36] <ScottK2> There was an update a bit after release that would account for it working now.  I hadn't noticed the timing.
[21:37] <ScottK2> If it works now then, please just mark it fix released with a comment that it's working now.
[21:37] <mzungu> ahhh - i guess the only way to be sure is to install a fresh gutsy from cd
[21:37] <ScottK2> If it's working for you now, I think that's good enough.
[21:38] <ScottK2> As I know there was a Konsole update early on the fixed excessive memory use problem.
[21:38] <mzungu> sure - and as i said at the time - i'm happy with dpkg -i ;)
[21:39]  * ScottK2 too.  I actually remove gdebi myself.  I only know about the problem because it affected the update manager too.
[21:39] <mzungu> just trying to think of 'mr. average user'
[21:39] <ScottK2> Which is good.
[21:39] <mzungu> only way forward i guess
[21:40] <mzungu> the famous test being 'my mother can install and use it' ;)
[21:40] <mzungu> (and mine is 78!)
[21:42] <mzungu> ScottK2: can you make a more informed update on lp then i could do?
[21:42] <ScottK2> Sure.
[21:43] <mzungu> ok - g'night
[21:44] <ScottK2> Good night and thanks mzungu for showing up to ask about it.
[21:45] <mzungu> np
[21:52] <Riddell> _StefanS_: how's the artwork going?
[21:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I havent done anything yet
[21:57] <Riddell> _StefanS_: still planning to?
[21:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes, I just not sure where to start
[21:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: brb in 5 mins.
[21:58] <Riddell> _StefanS_: are you a member of kubuntu-members ?
[21:59] <Riddell> yes, you are
[21:59] <_StefanS_> yep
[21:59] <Riddell> bzr co bzr+ssh://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[22:00] <Riddell> change the wallpaper file
[22:00] <Riddell> add a line to debian/changelog
[22:00] <Riddell> bzr commit
[22:00] <Riddell> obviously change the jr@ there for your launchpad name
[22:01] <Riddell> oh and you'll need a public ssh key in your launchpad account
[22:01] <Riddell> who's the guy that's doing the grub editor again?
[22:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: I think mhb might've been involved... I might be completely wrong though :)
[22:07] <Riddell> he was planning it but someone else went and wrote one
[22:13] <_StefanS_> Riddell: OK, I'm back.. will do the changes now
[22:15] <Riddell> ScottK2: still planning on doing a kde-guidance upload?
[22:17] <ScottK2> Riddell: I did it yesterday
[22:17] <ScottK2> Just as my airport wireless was dieing
[22:18] <ScottK2> Riddell: I've also uploaded a new python-qt3 reverting the pyqtconfig change we don't need anymore
[22:19] <Riddell> so you did, thanks for that
[22:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is it oka to commit the changes when done ? Just want to be sure
[22:25] <seele> someone is working on the grub editor after all this time?
[22:27] <Riddell> _StefanS_: go ahead, I can revert if you break it :)
[22:27] <mornfall> All this time is very relative.
[22:27] <Riddell> seele: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442
[22:27] <Riddell> artemisfowl is
[22:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok, its done.
[22:29] <serega> why could KMEssageBox display unlocalized 'Yes' and 'No' buttons? pykde
[22:29] <serega> I do not believe they're untranslated
[22:29] <Riddell> serega: is the rest of the app translated?
[22:30] <serega> Riddell: via gettext: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/937226
[22:30] <serega> Riddell: caption and message itself are translated as well
[22:31] <Riddell> gettext.install('kaffeine-install-codecs', None, True)  you'd also need to import "kde"
[22:31] <Riddell> or add catalogue
[22:32] <Riddell> but serega, I'd recommend writing in pyqt4, since that makes it futureproof
[22:34] <serega> Riddell: aah... I'll try. about qt4: I thought we will not need kaffeine in kde4. well... this script anyway because kde4-version of kaffeine will use phonon
[22:35] <serega> Riddell: thanks for advice, much time was spent before :)
[22:37] <Riddell> serega: phonon will still need to install libxine-ffmpeg etc
[22:37] <Riddell> and I expect kaffeine will come to kde 4, but dragonplayer and others would be the same
[22:38] <serega> Riddell: sounds hopefully
[22:40] <serega> Riddell: can you point me to some localized pyqt4 script package as a reference?
[22:44] <Riddell> serega: system-config-printer-kde
[22:44] <Riddell> look at the applet script
[22:44] <Riddell> it uses gettext
[22:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I cant figure out how to specify a name for my mir request, will have to wait until tomorrow
[22:45] <Riddell> there's a bit there which overloads the translations when doing .ui loading, but I don't suppose you'll need that
[22:45]  * serega bows
[22:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: MainInclusionReportKdeStyleQtcurve
[22:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: how?
[22:46] <_StefanS_> forgive me for not being too much into that wiki stuff
[22:46] <Riddell> _StefanS_: go to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportKdeStyleQtcurve
[22:47] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[22:47] <Riddell> click on MainInclusionReportTemplate under Page Templates
[22:47] <Riddell> fill in blanks
[22:47] <Riddell> add to UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[22:47] <_StefanS_> cool thanks
[22:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you know why I cant select UbuntuMainInclusionQueue in the kubuntu.org wiki?
[22:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: document is done btw.
[23:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportKdeStyleQtcurve, maybe you can find the UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[23:02] <_StefanS_> good night.
[23:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you update the window buttons?
[23:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: the package is on the road
[23:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll be on conrib day tomorrow, will upload then
[23:18] <Tonio_> as well as fixed patches for xdg dirs in kde dialog boxes
[23:18] <Riddell> groovy
[23:29] <mornfall> Riddell: I'd need to have libwibble and libept synced from Debian when they land... (should be tomorrow, they have been uploaded a little while back). Est-ce possible?
[23:29] <mornfall> I vaguely recall you had some g++ 4.3 patches for ept, they should be merged in .15, too.
[23:30] <Riddell> mornfall: I can sync those tomorrow
[23:31] <mornfall> Great. I'll PPA alpha4 when that happens.
[23:41] <mornfall> R. [  27: Debian Installer       ] libept_0.5.15_i386.changes ACCEPTED
[23:42] <mornfall> Great.
[23:42] <mornfall> Now I probably have a bug there, so I may need to upload a .1 or something to fix it, but that can wait right now.