[00:04] <matt___> oOoOoOoO_: what is eggdropp?
[00:04] <oOoOoOoO_> matt___: Kicking people that pastes without using pastebin
[00:05] <oOoOoOoO_> Automagically
[00:06] <matt___> oOoOoOoO_: oh, ok. sorry dude
[00:06] <oOoOoOoO_> matt___: What is your problem?
[00:09] <oOoOoOoO_> Maybe I can help
[00:12] <maki> hi
[00:14] <user5> hi there, after updating to karnel 12, don't work alsamixer in kmix, wath appening???
[00:15] <user5> some news??? thank you
[00:15] <BluesKaj> oOoOoOoO_, eggdrop may have been used in the bot dev here, but not for auto-banning ppl , it takes a real person (an op) to do that here. People have the last say not some botscript :0
[00:18] <tlayton> user5: same thing here. going back to -11
[00:20] <user5> tlaython: I will tray it
[00:20] <user5> thank you
[00:20] <BluesKaj> karnel ?
[00:23] <draik> Anyone here know of good FPS games other than Open Arena and Tremulous?
[00:24] <swatto> Nexuiz draik
[00:24] <BluesKaj> draik, whynot search for a linux gamers room ?
[00:24] <mohamed_> hello all, sometime ago there was a problem with ATI cards drivers , this problem still exist or solved ?
[00:25] <draik> BluesKaj: Got a channel in mind?
[00:25] <BluesKaj> nope  draik , search for one
[00:25] <draik> BluesKaj: 10-4
[00:25] <Dr_Willis> THere was to be a new  release of alien arena - soon.. not siure if its ot yet or not.
[00:26] <draik> How do I search for channels in konversation? /search is "Unknown command"
[00:27] <BluesKaj> draik, /list
[00:28] <Roy_M> Hi. Just wondering if the intel wireless drivers can be downloaded through apt like the madwifi drivers?
[00:28] <Boohbah> oOoOoOoO_: how do you pronounce oOoOoOoO_??
[00:29] <tsunami> hola
[00:29] <BluesKaj> Boohbah, does it matter ?
[00:30] <tsunami> alguien save como  cargar un modulo al inicio?
[00:30] <BluesKaj> !pt | tsunami
[00:30] <ubotwo> tsunami: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[00:31]  * BluesKaj guessed at that one
[00:32] <BluesKaj> the romance languages aren't my forte
[00:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> y kde4 is trying to start the autostart apps from gnome?
[00:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> where is kde4's autostart dir?
[00:35] <maki> [Hardy]TuTUXG: i think that kde4 use a different aproach for aitostart
[00:36] <BluesKaj> [Hardy]TuTUXG, KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[00:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> BluesKaj, thanks i will ask there
[00:40] <f00f> I just bought a new monitor.. and found out it doesn't have HDCP support.. is that going to be a problem if I plug it in with DVI?
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> HDCP?
[00:42] <draik> nosrednaekim: Highly Dangerous Coding Pirates, duh! Ha Ha Ha. How are you doing?
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> great
[00:43] <draik> nosrednaekim: Good to hear that.
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> f00f: if you mean HDMI, then yeah, as long as it still has a DVI port it shouldwork
[00:43] <f00f> hmm
[00:43] <f00f> it has a DVI port on it...
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> should work fine then
[00:47] <knubbe> anyone who managed to install libgpod 0.6 (or higher)?
[00:47] <BluesKaj> HDCP means High Definition Content Protection. It prolly means bit to bit copying is prohibited
[00:48] <nosrednaekim> so HDCP is done over HDMI?
[00:48] <nosrednaekim> or is HDMI just DVI with HDCP?
[00:48] <BluesKaj> dunno
[00:49] <f00f> BluesKaj: I don't care about HD movies.. but I do care about using the max resolution of my monitor with DVI... If I plug an non-HDCP monitor into an HDCP card... will it display at native resolution?
[00:49] <Arwen> yes
[00:49] <BluesKaj> HD doesn't interest me much until there some interesting content to along with the pretty pictures
[00:50] <Arwen> I don't know about you, but bland with HD is better than bland without
[00:50] <f00f> good :)
[00:50] <BluesKaj> Arwen, i won't repeat myself
[00:50] <Arwen> HDCP requires: software that supports it, a video card that supports it, and a display that supports it, as well as *content that supports it*
[00:51] <Arwen> so it's probably irrelevant in your case
[00:52] <f00f> Arwen: Ahh.. I thought that HDCP was pure hardware... so I was confused/scared because I just bought a new LCD monitor that I found out does not have HDCP support.
[00:52] <asobi> anyone familiar with the font size problem in firefox?
[00:52] <Arwen> asobi, which one?
[00:53] <asobi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/120811
[00:53] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 120811 in firefox "firefox displays fonts smaller than it should have" [Undecided,Fix released]
[00:53] <asobi> none of the workarounds' working for me
[00:53] <asobi> whoa, nice bot
[00:55] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[00:55] <ubotwo> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[00:56] <Regital> does anyone here have the Samsung T10 mp3 player?
[01:02] <kam3> hello
[01:02] <kam3> my DsFi have a weapon stucked (cursed)
[01:02] <kam3> its a good weapon, but I can not disect with it
[01:02] <kam3> how to fix this and not die of starvation ;)
[01:03] <leo_rockw> good evening kubuntu
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> eneving leo_rockw
[01:18] <mohamed_> i install KDE 4.0 is it safe to use it instead of KDE 3, if yes how to use my old kde3 configuration ?
[01:19] <tekteen> mohamed_: support for kde4 is in kubuntu-kde4
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> mohamed_: nay kde3 app will still use .kde
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> *any
[01:19] <mohamed_> thx, tekteen nosrednaekim
[01:20] <leo_rockw> mohamed_: i don't think kde4 is stable enough for daily use. i'd wait until 4.1
[01:20] <mohamed_> yes, leo_rockw  specialy i use it for work
[01:21] <leo_rockw> mohamed_: then i don't think it's a good idea to switch to kde4 just now.
[01:22] <leo_rockw> mohamed_: i mean, it's stable enough to develop for it, but not for daily use
[01:22] <mohamed_> yes, then i can use it in parrallel with 3 only to test it
[01:28] <bonbonthejon> is there a way to set the global HTTP_PROXY variable from a script?
[01:32] <Regital> how do i install a bootsplash?
[01:35] <Jucato> !usplash | Regital
[01:35] <ubotwo> Regital: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[01:36] <Regital> thanks Jucato
[01:36] <bonbonthejon> Jucato: ever played with HTTP_PROXY variable?
[01:36] <Jucato> nope.
[01:36] <bonbonthejon> aye
[01:37] <Jucato> sorry
[01:37] <bonbonthejon> many, I'm also in #ubuntu and it is a zoo in there
[01:37] <bonbonthejon> man*
[01:37] <Jucato> :)
[01:38] <Arwen> bonbonthejon, hah, I haven't been allowed there in years. Almost forgot what it's like.
[01:38] <bonbonthejon> its nice and quiet in here, you can actually talk to people
[01:38] <Regital> arwen: you got banned or something?
[01:38] <Arwen> long long time ago
[01:38] <Regital> why?
[01:39] <Regital> if you dont mind me asking
[01:39] <Arwen> I called Seveas stupid
[01:39] <Regital> who happens to be an op?
[01:39] <Arwen> who happens to run Ubuntu project apparently
[01:39] <Regital> lmao
[01:41] <rockets> What happened to Kubuntu+1?
[01:41] <Jucato> doesn't exist
[01:41] <Jucato> !test
[01:41] <ubotu> Failed.
[01:41] <ubotwo> Failed.
[01:41] <rockets> oh
[01:41] <rockets> in that case
[01:41] <prince_jammys> heh, two bots
[01:41] <rockets> What packages do I need to install after Kubuntu Hardy installs to convert it to a KDE4 system?
[01:41] <Jucato> ubotwo: part #kubuntu
[01:42] <LjL> Jucato, anything making you think it'll keep working this time?
[01:42] <Jucato> LjL: oh
[01:42] <bonbonthejon> rockets: go to kubuntu.com, they have instructions
[01:42] <LjL> i mean, maybe it will, it hasn't excess flooded for a while after all
[01:42] <rockets> kthx
[01:43] <draik> Hey there Jucato
[01:43] <Jucato> hi draik
[01:43] <Jucato> rockets: #ubuntu+1 is the place for hardy
[01:43] <rockets> Jucato: oh.
[01:43] <Jucato> rockets: but #kubuntu-kde4 is for KDE4 specific questions
[01:43] <rockets> Jucato: I had tried kubuntu+1 and it didn't exist.
[01:43] <rockets> ok thx
[01:47] <draik> What would cause a screen to go blank once you use CTRL+ALT+L? I lock it and then return after ~5min of idle time, it goes pitch black
[01:49] <f00f> draik: badly written proprietary drivers... what video card are you using?
[01:49] <tekteen> draik: it locked my computer
[01:49] <bonbonthejon> draik: for me, ctrl-alt-l locked my screen
[01:49] <f00f> err... lol.. sry.. confused L for F...
[01:49] <Jucato> if there's no screensaver set, it's supposed to go black until you move the mouse and the password dialog pops up
[01:49] <draik> I am using Ati driver
[01:50] <Jucato> unless it's the Monitor's power management that causes it to go blank
[01:50] <draik> Jucato: I have a screensaver chosen and all.
[01:50] <f00f> odd.. I'm using ATi's drivers too ,and ctrl alt L works just fine...
[01:51] <draik> How do I stop the power management from making it go blank?
[01:51] <draik> Ok, here is what I do...
[01:51] <Jucato> draik: if you move the mouse, the password dialog comes up with the screensaver?
[01:51] <f00f> draik: disable it in systemsettings
[01:51] <draik> CTRL+ALT+L
[01:51] <draik> It locks with my screensaver.
[01:51] <draik> I unlock it by entering my password
[01:51] <draik> After ~5min of idle time, it goes pitch black.
[01:52] <draik> This only happens once I have used CTRL+ALT+L
[01:52] <tekteen> that is to save the screen
[01:52] <tekteen> it is normal
[01:52] <tekteen> don't want to waste power
[01:52] <draik> f00f: Powersave is disabled
[01:52] <f00f> 0_o
[01:52] <draik> tekteen: And if I don't use it at all (CTRL+ALT+L, that is), then it will not save a thing
[01:53] <jatz> need some help
[01:53] <f00f> draik: ok.. does it clearly go into power management mode, because screen going black on locking is normal
[01:53] <jatz> when I try to log in to my kubuntu box
[01:53] <jatz> as soon as I hit enter to login the monitor turns on and off
[01:53] <draik> f00f: It's when I return from a lock.
[01:53] <jatz> and it just goes back to the prompt
[01:53] <burdicda> anyone here using reconstructor or uck
[01:54] <jatz> I can still ssh to the machine
[01:54] <tekteen> !enter|jatz
[01:54] <ubotwo> jatz: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[01:54] <jatz> okay, sorry
[01:54] <foibles> what program do you guys use to burn dvd movies
[01:54] <jatz> so, anyone know what my problem is?
[01:55] <foibles> i haven't been able to find a decent one for linux
[01:55] <draik> f00f: I unlock my laptop, do something (anything or nothing at all), my screen goes blank if idle for ~5 min
[01:55] <tekteen> cdrecord (cli)
[01:55] <jatz> it's kind of important cause I can't use my machine
[01:55] <tekteen> foibles: cdrecord (cli)
[01:55] <draik> foibles: Have you tried k3b?
[01:55] <Regital> foibles k3b looks good enough to me
[01:55] <foibles> draik, k3b doesn't transcode
[01:55] <Regital> oh
[01:55] <foibles> dvd movie
[01:55] <tekteen> devede
[01:55] <foibles> mpeg-4
[01:55] <draik> ffmpeg
[01:55] <foibles> devede never fails to glitch the movie, heh
[01:56] <tekteen> lol
[01:56] <foibles> im testing "qdvdauthor" at the moment
[01:56] <tekteen> I transcode myself
[01:56] <draik> qdvdauthor never quite worked for me; devede neither
[01:56] <jatz> Okay, all in one message. When I try to log in to my kubuntu box, at the login prompt, the monitor turns on and off and the login prompt comes up agan. In short, I can not login to my machine. I can ssh in there but not use it
[01:56] <burdicda> dvd:rip transcodes
[01:56] <jatz> I never liked qdvdauthor
[01:57] <f00f> draik: hmm.. odd... try xset -dpms
[01:57] <f00f> in a console.. then see if it does the same thing
[01:58] <foibles> dvd:rip is a program?
[01:58] <draik> f00f: Here we go..
[01:58] <foibles> im sort of just beating around the bush to doing it manually
[01:58] <burdicda> yes a frontend just like k3b
[01:58] <foibles> transcoding manually just sounds tedious
[01:58] <tekteen> foibles: if you do not like the programs messing up do it yourself :-)
[01:59] <tekteen> foibles: I mostly work with dvd --> mkv
[01:59] <foibles> any one heard of "acidrip"
[01:59] <tekteen> yep
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> !info acidrip
[01:59] <ubotwo> acidrip: ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.14-0.2ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 63 kB, installed size 308 kB (Only available for None)
[01:59] <foibles> any good?
[01:59] <tekteen> it is good
[01:59] <foibles> i just apt-cache search dvd rip
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> It works. :)
[02:00] <foibles> seeing whats available
[02:00] <foibles> cool, ill give it a spin
[02:00] <burdicda> yes but a little intense compared to dvdrip
[02:00] <tekteen> the default settings work on acidrip
[02:00] <hellhound> is there a way to resize a ext3 partition in the livecd
[02:00] <foibles> sexcellent
[02:00] <burdicda> dvdrip is very simple either way like all of linux there are dozens of ways to skin the cat
[02:01] <Jucato> !language | foibles
[02:01] <ubotwo> foibles: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[02:01] <foibles> burdicda, indeed
[02:01] <foibles> Jucato, ? apologies
[02:01] <Jucato> ok
[02:01] <hellhound> is there a way to resize a ext3 partition in the livecd
[02:01] <LjL> hellhound: use gparted
[02:02] <Jucato> hellhound: use QtParted (it's on the live cd)
[02:02] <Jucato> or gparted (you have to install it)
[02:02] <burdicda> if i download any format single file other than an iso i use devede
[02:02] <LjL> yeah, qtparted given the channel i'm in
[02:02] <burdicda> if i physically have the dvd and want to rip it i use dvdrip
[02:02] <hellhound> Jucato: it is greyed out
[02:02] <Jucato> which one is grayed out?
[02:02] <hellhound> Jucato: the resize option, i mean, is greyed out
[02:03] <draik> f00f: All quiet on the western front... Thanks. That worked!
[02:04] <jatz> When I try to log in to my kubuntu box, at the login prompt, the monitor turns on and off and the login prompt comes up agan. In short, I can not login to my machine. I can ssh in there but not use it. so, uh, halp halp?
[02:04] <draik> burdicda: I use k9copy. I get DVD's backed up within 30 minutes
[02:04] <tekteen> draik: what are they encoded as?
[02:05] <jatz> I think I might have an x11 problem but when I logged in as root in recovery mode I could start x11
[02:05] <draik> tekteen: Good question, let me check. I just choose DVD and save them as ISOs.
[02:05] <tekteen> ok
[02:05] <tekteen> that means they take 4.3 GB
[02:05] <draik> Yup
[02:06] <draik> Should be mpeg2 by default
[02:06] <tekteen> or up to 9 GB if it is DL
[02:06] <tekteen> ok
[02:06] <draik> f00f: Spoke too soon. It's pitch black again
[02:06] <tekteen> I use H.264 and mkv
[02:06] <draik> I guess it's after 10 minutes, not 5
[02:06] <jatz> when I try to use x11 over ssh though it doesn't work anymore
[02:07] <jatz> I don't mean to pester but does anyone have any ideas?
[02:07] <draik> jatz: I would suggest checking on the system you're trying to access with ssh. Physical check, not ssh check
[02:08] <jatz> draik:  have
[02:08] <jatz> draik: I can't login physically
[02:08] <jatz> at all
[02:08] <draik> Do you get CLI?
[02:08] <jatz> except in recovery mode
[02:09] <jatz> yeah, i can get a CLI and login by ssh
[02:09] <jatz> and start x11 from the CLI in recovery mode
[02:09] <draik> Check your disk space. I recall this happened to me once and its because I was using 99.99% of the drive
[02:09] <snake> i have a problem in adept_manager. there is a package that i tried to install before and now everytime i try to install something i get some errors can anyone tell me please how to clear adept_manager so it doesnt try any time to install those packages. thank you in advance
[02:09] <jatz> thanks a lot. I have been ripping dvds and I could have maxed out my disk
[02:10] <jatz> draik: thanks much
[02:10] <draik> Np
[02:10] <draik> df -h         that should work to check on the space
[02:11] <jatz> I'll try that now, sshing in
[02:12] <jatz>  /dev/sda2  Use% 100%
[02:13] <draik> That will do it!
[02:13] <draik> Back up to DVD if you can
[02:13] <draik> Or make some space
[02:14] <jatz> I'm moving stuff to a machine with a much larger HD(500gb)
[02:14] <jatz> should be fine
[02:15] <draik> I have a 500GB external HDD
[02:15] <jatz> same
[02:15] <draik> 500GB internal, 250GB internal and 80GB internal, each serving their purpose
[02:16] <jatz> nice. mines much lamer. 500gb external hooked up to a box running torrentflux/ushare
[02:19] <tinin> !kbuildsycoca
[02:19] <ubotwo> If your K menu is out of date, like after installing an application and not finding it in the K menu, you should type "kbuildsycoca" in a terminal to rebuild the KDE configuration cache
[02:25] <joseph> !swiftfox
[02:25] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[02:27] <draik> !wine
[02:27] <ubotwo> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[02:27] <draik> !AppDB
[02:27] <ubotwo> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[02:27] <Jucato> joseph: Ubuntu doesn't package swiftfox. afaik, the author's license makes it impossible to redistribute it
[02:28] <joseph> hmm
[02:28] <joseph> is it better than firefox as far as performance?
[02:28] <Jucato> some say yes, others say no
[02:29] <joseph> Jucato: have you used it?
[02:29] <Jucato> swiftfox is basically just firefox compiled for specific architectures/processors (and maybe a few compiler flags set)
[02:29] <Jucato> no
[02:29]  * Jucato doesn't use the fox much
[02:31]  * leo_rockw sees no point in using FF when Konq is the best thing out there... lol
[02:31] <pumpitup> how can i remove the annoying system beep! sound whenever i hold delete too long or press wrong arrows either in the shell or xchat  ?
[02:47] <kam3> pumpitup: ask ##linux   system bell,   visual bell of xterm etc
[02:47] <kam3> or ask #debian #ubuntu etc
[02:50] <leafw> any octave user? Any idea why, despite octave-forge package being installed, there is no specgram and chirp function available, despite the .m files listed under /usr/share/octave/***/ ?
[02:56] <kam3> leafw: #octave
[02:56] <leafw> they are silent ...
[02:56] <leafw> thanks kam3
[02:57] <leafw> I think it's more of an ubuntu problem: the package may not be properly configured, perhaps it didn't bind all the functions or something.
[02:59] <intelikey> ok i have a desire to setup a severe crack in a mess of boxen     let me explain.   i want to make all boxen on a lan accept the same RSA key for root ssh access.   what is the easiest way to do that ?     duplicate the /root/.ssh/id_rsa  files accross the board ?
[02:59] <intelikey> or will that even work ?
[03:00]  * intelikey is probably talking to self again...
[03:02] <Yuji> :)
[03:03] <leo_rockw> pumpitup: edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:03] <leo_rockw> pumpitup: add the following line: blacklist pcspkr
[03:03] <leo_rockw> pumpitup: that stops the pc speaker from working at all
[03:04] <intelikey> there is also a volume control in   alsamixer   for the speaker
[03:04] <intelikey> you can mute it.
[03:05] <leo_rockw> not in mine
[03:05] <leo_rockw> not for the pc speaker
[03:05] <intelikey> leo_rockw cause you don't have pcspkr modprobed ?
[03:05] <leo_rockw> intelikey: haha, true
[03:05] <intelikey> leo_rockw ;/
[03:06] <Mimi> So, it's really difficult to install kde themes, no, have to compile a bunch of stuff, have to put icons here and there, and move this and that.. no?
[03:07] <intelikey> no
[03:07] <intelikey> i mean si
[03:07] <intelikey> no i mean yes.
[03:07] <leafw> so it was an ubuntu problem: the load path is not properly set!!
[03:08] <intelikey> leafw if it's a bug report it.
[03:09] <intelikey> or smash it!
[03:09] <Mimi> +1 for smashing
[03:09] <intelikey> nobody knows ssh well enough to answer me ?
[03:10] <Mimi> intelikey:  i kinda just joined the channel, could you repeat the question?
[03:10] <intelikey> ok i have a desire to setup a severe crack in a mess of boxen     let me explain.   i want to make all boxen on a lan accept the same RSA key for root ssh access.   what is the easiest way to do that ?     duplicate the /root/.ssh/id_rsa  files accross the board ?
[03:10]  * Mimi shrugs and pretends she never read the  question ;p
[03:10] <intelikey> lol
[03:11] <intelikey> at least use some html for that   </scolds>
[03:12] <leo_rockw> from iDontUnderstand import shrug
[03:13] <intelikey> perl ?
[03:17] <Mimi> Does kubuntu have a "System Monitor" kind of thing that shows you which programs are running, lets you terminate them, lets you see their status... :)
[03:17] <intelikey> Mimi yes.  alt+esc   iirc
[03:18] <elijahlofgren> Mimi: yes, or run: ksysguard
[03:18] <Mimi> OH I ran ksys before but didnt see the process list *rubs eyes* xD Thanks
[03:19] <elijahlofgren> Mimi: there is also a nice kysguard applet you can put on your KDE3 system taskbar. you can make it so that you can run ksysguard when you click on it.
[03:19] <Mimi> a simple launcher, aye?
[03:19] <maduser> yeah
[03:20] <intelikey> elijahlofgren isn't that what alt+esc does ?   or is it ctrl+esc
[03:20] <elijahlofgren> intelikey: could be, I didn't know about that shortcut. :)
[03:20] <maduser> its ctrl + esc
[03:20] <Mimi> purrrfect :)
[03:20] <elijahlofgren> and I'm on my sister's XP PC at the moment. ;)
[03:20] <martin_> whats the command line to know what driver im using for my video card
[03:20] <intelikey> ok   so i had the wrong   modifier    so sue me.
[03:21] <foibles> hi there
[03:21] <Mimi> Hey hey
[03:21] <foibles> i just reformated a partition on my hard drive
[03:21] <intelikey> martin_ grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:21] <foibles> it was ntfs and now ext3
[03:22] <foibles> but it won't mount properly now
[03:22] <foibles> im looking at my fstab and its iffy
[03:22] <foibles> im not sure what to do
[03:22] <intelikey> foibles edit the fstab
[03:22] <foibles> intelikey, right
[03:23] <intelikey> !fstab
[03:23] <ubotwo> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[03:24] <foibles> "/media/hda1   ext3  defaults,umask=007,gid=46    0   1"
[03:24] <foibles> thats what ive got but it ain't working
[03:25] <foibles> UUID=blahblahblah in the beginning
[03:25] <intelikey> did you set the correct UUID ?
[03:25] <intelikey> blkid
[03:26] <foibles> intelikey, its the same one it was before
[03:26] <intelikey> how can it be ?  you reformated \
[03:26] <foibles> hmm
[03:26] <foibles> good point
[03:26] <foibles> it was a windows partition
[03:26] <foibles> i just got rid of it
[03:26] <intelikey> i'd say it's next to impossable that its the same.
[03:26] <foibles> intelikey, good observation
[03:27] <foibles> where do i find what it is now
[03:27] <intelikey> blkid
[03:27] <intelikey> that's a command
[03:27] <intelikey> not an order
[03:27] <intelikey> :)
[03:27] <foibles> it thinks its still ntfs
[03:27] <foibles> i used gparted
[03:27] <foibles> maybe it didn't do it properly
[03:28] <intelikey> and maybe it didn't do anything
[03:28]  * intelikey doesn't like *parted
[03:28] <intelikey> i'd mke2fs -Cj /dev/where_ever
[03:29] <foibles> plus i think blkid reflects what it reads in fstab
[03:30] <foibles> intelikey, so you're saying i should use mke2fs
[03:31] <intelikey> no.  i'm saying i would.  you use what suits you.
[03:31] <foibles> what else might be suitable
[03:31] <foibles> would cfdisk work?
[03:31] <intelikey> foibles ummm blkid does not read fstab  but i think it keeps a cache file in /etc   look for /etc/blkid and rm it.
[03:32] <intelikey> or use the switch to make it re-detect
[03:32] <prince_jammys> you can also do ls /dev/disk/by-uuid
[03:33] <martin_> is there another program to handle my sound other than kmix which doesnt seem to work very good for me
[03:34] <intelikey> martin_ alsamixer
[03:34] <intelikey> martin_ or you can install several others    i'm partial to   aumix
[03:34] <yao_ziyuan> users of kubuntu 8.04 be aware: your default wallpaper may be in wrong aspect ratio (those curves should be circular). download a copy of "tend to zero" for your own screen resolution at vladstudio's website
[03:36] <Rukus> hi how do i make my second ext3 partition mount automatically
[03:37] <intelikey> !fstab | rukus depending on what you really want.
[03:37] <ubotwo> rukus depending on what you really want.: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[03:37] <Rukus> its a storage drive for movies.
[03:37] <intelikey>       ^
[03:37] <yao_ziyuan> the original copy is http://www.vladstudio.com/wallpaper/?288
[03:38] <intelikey> be back "hopefully" in a few.  i'm breaking my system now.
[03:38] <Rukus> hmm
[03:39] <yao_ziyuan> compare the aspect ratio of curves in the original copy and that of your current wallpaper
[03:43] <Rukus> # /dev/hda2
[03:43] <Rukus> UUID=a5a34ce2-1771-4993-9c81-b6fa5da33012 / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1
[03:43] <Rukus> is that a typical fstab setting for  a primary hd?
[03:43] <Rukus> can i use that for a secondary partition
[03:45] <Rukus> anyone
[03:46] <biovore> possibly.. secondary HD is probably a different UUID
[03:46] <Rukus> of course. and i dont know what the heck it is
[03:46] <biovore> there is a command to get it..
[03:46] <biovore> its part of e2fsprogs
[03:47] <biovore> don't remember what the exact command is off the top of my head though..
[03:47] <Rukus> man i dont understand a athing in that fstab
[03:47] <Rukus> i might as well study it one day
[03:47] <Rukus> for now just deal with it
[03:47] <biovore> well you can just refer to the physical /dev/device
[03:47] <biovore> instead of the UUID
[03:47] <Rukus> can you have a look at my fstab for me ? and tell me if its off the wall?
[03:48] <biovore> that first line would probably be /dev/hda2 / ext3 default 0 1
[03:48] <Rukus> http://pastebin.ca/936131
[03:49] <biovore> what the second disk you want to add? /dev/hdb1 ?
[03:49] <Rukus> i think its oddly enough called hda6
[03:50] <Rukus> i gotta go make a lunch for work tomorro
[03:50] <Rukus> wbrb
[03:50] <biovore> tune2fs can be used to set the UUID of a device..
[03:50] <biovore> check the man page
[03:51] <tlayton> Rukus: try "udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/hda6)". and look for the UUID in the output
[04:18] <Administrator> Is Kubuntu exactly the same as Ubuntu except with the KDE GUI ???
[04:18] <Administrator> eh.. why my name administrator Oo
[04:18] <Pici> Administrator: yes.
[04:19] <Administrator> cool, thnx Pici
[04:19] <Widget> changed name :)
[04:20] <Widget> does anyone know that site where you take a small survey to find out what Linux is best for you ?
[04:26] <needhelp> why is it when i open my microsoft documents with openoffice in kubuntu, the alignments are different ?
[04:30] <kgoetz> different to what?
[04:38] <needhelp> different as in the tables and pictures are arranged differently..therefore print out looks different
[04:38] <needhelp> some of the graphs drawn using drawing tools in words also turn out different
[04:39] <needhelp> do u get that before?
[04:39] <tomlikestorock> anyone here have any problems with a dvd-rw, cd-rw drive in an acer with the device id of "TS-L632B"?
[04:39] <tomlikestorock> It won't read dvds at all :(
[04:40] <kgoetz> needhelp: if your saying that MSO and OO.o display .doc files differently, thats correct.
[04:44] <needhelp> yeah it display differently.. so as printing out..oh no
[04:44] <kgoetz> not a lot can be done to fix it, apart from making sure you have the same fonts on both systems
[04:46] <needhelp> ok..because i'm printing my lecture notes which was written by words i think
[04:46] <needhelp> thx
[04:46] <kgoetz> also, try to save in word 97 format where you can
[04:46] <needhelp> i'm buying asus eee its running under xandros, is it somewhat similar to kubuntu?
[04:47] <kgoetz> if you turn off 'anoying mode' (eg, the default one) it will be a bit like kubuntu yeah
[04:47] <needhelp> annoying mode?
[04:48] <kgoetz> the default UI the eee interface. it anoys me
[04:49] <needhelp> default is kde or gnome? :p ok gd to hear that
[04:50] <kgoetz> default is neither, but kde is hiding under the surface
[04:52] <needhelp> or maybe a macbook and install kubuntu..haha
[04:55] <apparle> I am getting an error somehting like "hda6 Buffer I/o read error" or something like that while booting
[04:58] <apparle> anyone got some help
[04:59] <kgoetz> apparle: how old is this drive, and how important is its contents?
[05:00] <apparle> it is about an year old and conents o 2 partition are very important
[05:00] <kgoetz> apparle: IO errors are usually dieing drives, but can be dodgy motherboards, and even less commonly hdd needs to be fscked
[05:02] <apparle> kgoetz: I just copied some songs on the hard disk and shut down the PC and now it is not starting. I have dual boot and windows is alsol not wrking
[05:03] <kgoetz> apparle: what does 'not starting' mean exactly?
[05:04] <apparle> I keep geing that eroor repeatedly with the change in logical block number continuosly
[05:05] <kgoetz> apparle: i think your drive is "bbroken"
[05:05] <mkquist> apparle: well u can probably rule out virus then...  have you tried booting from live cd and try looking at the disc?
[05:05] <kgoetz> read: take it out, put it somewhere cool and hope you can recover data off it later
[05:05] <kgoetz> apparle: if you have a spare drive try using that in the computer insted - it will help confirm if its the drive or mobo
[05:06] <Roy_M> Hi, can someone chick if their kubuntu install has /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent The reason I ask is because I am trying to intall the firmware for my intel wireless card and I cannot find that file which seems necessary
[05:07] <apparle> I booted usinga live CD and I get the same error while reading the hard disk
[05:07] <leo_rockw> Roy_M: not there on my comp
[05:08] <Roy_M> leo_rockw, sure. Thanks, one more thing can you do a ls /etc/hotplug
[05:08] <leo_rockw> Roy_M: usb
[05:08] <kgoetz> apparle: i'm serious about taking it out and puting it somewhere cool, btw
[05:08] <Roy_M> leo_rockw, yeah same. Cheers
[05:08] <mkquist> apparle: well there are some things, like kgoetz mentioned, to help recover the info.  One is, and not joking is to put the drive in a bag and put in it in the freezer, try recovering like in a coupla hours or tomorrow.  But if it works, be quick, cause it probably is failing...
[05:08] <leo_rockw> apparle: try it on another comp or try another hard drive on your comp
[05:09] <mkquist> apparle: i agree, if you can try it on another computer first tho
[05:09] <leo_rockw> Roy_M: np
[05:09] <mkquist> apparle: like others have said, it could be a drive controller on your board too
[05:09] <mkquist> apparle: best to take it one logical step at a time
[05:10] <mkquist> apparle: if you can get a hold of a pci controller (if you dont have access to another comp), you could try that too
[05:11] <apparle> But I getting the errors on only one partition. I can read others
[05:15] <mkquist> apparle: is it the windows part?
[05:16] <apparle> no. a simple FAT which I use on both linux and windows
[05:16] <mkquist> apparle: you could try booting a windows cd and try using the recovery console to run chkdsk...
[05:17] <mkquist> doesnt sound like hardware failure then
[05:18] <apparle> mkquist: Why is it that you say it is not hardware failure
[05:19] <mkquist> apparle: because the rest of the disk works fine, so it seems unlikely
[05:20] <mkquist> apparle: sounds like a corrupted partition
[05:20] <fisik> hello
[05:20] <mkquist> apparle: i guess its still possible but if it were me, it go the corrupted route first
[05:21] <mkquist> apparle: have you tried running chkdsk on it yet?
[05:21] <mkquist> fis
[05:21] <mkquist> oops
[05:21] <apparle> mkquist: It does not show the partition as mounted (I don't get the drive leter)
[05:22] <mkquist> apparle: have you tried booting to recovery console w/windows cd?
[05:23] <mkquist> apparle:
[05:23] <mkquist> apparle: that seems like a good next step to me
[05:23] <apparle> ya  I did that , It does not show the partition as mounted (I don't get the drive leter)
[05:24] <mkquist> apparle: and linux doesnt see it either?
[05:24] <apparle> in linux I get te above error in system log while mounting the partition
[05:25] <apparle> obviously on live CD
[05:25] <Roy_M> Hi, I have been trying to install the intel wireless drivers of my intel 3945 ABG on my gutsy machine for a couple of hours but it looks as if (going by https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsIntel) that it shoudl work out of the box. Does this wireless card really work out of the box?
[05:26] <f00f> Roy_M: what model is your laptop?
[05:27] <Roy_M> a IBM lenovo Z61t
[05:27] <mkquist> apparle: can you boot to windows and if so what version?
[05:28] <Roy_M> f00f, an lspci reveals "03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)"
[05:28] <f00f> maybe it's having trouble with the (rev 2) part
[05:28] <apparle> People here may get angry when we talk of windws. Can I talk to you > private msgs
[05:28] <f00f> sometimes different revisions of chipsets have different drivers.
[05:29] <Roy_M> oh, thats bad, I know its a mini-pcie wireless card instead of the normal mini pci
[05:29] <f00f> is the driver completely missing the detection of your wifi card? or do you have just limited/no connection but a wireless interface.
[05:29] <Roy_M> when I do a "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" I get "wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device"
[05:30] <f00f> Roy_M: try ndiswrapper and the native windows drivers
[05:30] <Roy_M> will they utilise wireless-tools?
[05:31] <f00f> Roy_M: yes.. you just need to get the native windows driver on there and direct ndiswrapper to the inf file.
[05:32] <Roy_M> ok sure, thanks for your help f00f
[05:32] <f00f> once you do that ndiswrapper will install the driver, then you just need to add ndiswrapper to your /etc/modules...
[05:32] <Roy_M> ok great, I'm sure I can find a guide for that.
[05:35] <bob__> !beryl
[05:35] <ubotwo> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[05:35] <bob__> !compiz
[05:35] <ubotwo> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:36] <apparle> !lirc
[05:36] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[05:41] <maduser> !ndiswrapper
[05:41] <ubotwo> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:54] <linux689438> anyone know how to add cdrom to apt's sources.list in gusty without using X?
[05:54] <linux689438> i am trying to install kubuntu-desktop from cdrom, and not download 300 MB+ of apt-get files from internet
[05:55] <linux689438> is anyone in here that can help me?
[05:57] <linux689438> :(```, if anyone can help, please message
[05:57] <kgoetz> linux689438: be patient
[05:57] <kgoetz> we dont spend our whole lives waiting for your question
[05:57] <linux689438> ok, its been 10 min in #ubuntu without a response
[05:57] <kgoetz> linux689438: does 'apt-cd' or 'apt-add' exist on your system?
[05:57] <linux689438> so i am glad that at least one of the rooms is active
[05:57] <linux689438> let me check the /usr/bin
[05:57] <kgoetz> probably because they think its offtopic
[05:57] <maduser> use use ubuntu right?
[05:58] <linux689438> i installed ubuntu with the mini.iso
[05:58] <kgoetz> maduser: ?
[05:58] <linux689438> and have the kubuntu cd i want to take kubuntu-desktop from
[05:58] <maduser> I don't thnik thats psoosible
[05:58] <maduser> you could extract the kde
[05:58] <linux689438> i can't use it like a repository?
[05:58] <kgoetz> linux689438: is it an 'alternate' cd or a 'desktop' cd?
[05:58] <maduser> no
[05:58] <linux689438> its the desktop
[05:58] <kgoetz> you cant use it then
[05:58] <maduser> wait!
[05:58] <maduser> you can
[05:58] <kgoetz> it has no debs
[05:59] <maduser> add it to your sources list
[05:59] <kgoetz> unless your goign to dpkg-repack everything
[05:59] <linux689438> what is the string to type in sources.list?
[05:59] <maduser> then obtain them through adept
[05:59] <leo_rockw> hey, is there a channel for kubuntu hardy?
[05:59] <linux689438> couldn't find it anywhere on internet
[05:59] <leo_rockw> !hardy
[05:59] <ubotwo> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[05:59] <maduser> no clule
[06:00] <leo_rockw> is there a channel for K(DE)Ubuntu hardy?
[06:00] <linux689438> neither apt-cd or apt-add are on the system
[06:00] <kgoetz> leo_rockw: here or #ubuntu+1
[06:00] <kgoetz> not a special one only for k though
[06:00] <leo_rockw> ok, thanks kgoetz
[06:01] <leo_rockw> i just wanted to know how usable it is at this state, i was considering updating (i'm in a test environment so i wouldn't mind if everything breaks, but i was just looking for an opinion by someone who's already using it)
[06:01] <linux689438> so i have to download 300+ MB from repositories online then? no alt?
[06:02] <maduser> or just get kubuntu
[06:02] <linux689438> i tried, none of the cdburners i have work right
[06:02] <linux689438> so the mini worked after about 2x (its only 10 mb)
[06:02] <maduser> get them shipped to you for free
[06:02] <linux689438> but the mini wouldn't let me get the kubuntu-desktop package for some reason
[06:03] <linux689438> maybe, that would be a long term solution
[06:03] <linux689438> im here because the forums didn't answer my question
[06:03] <linux689438> when i usually put in a kubuntu cd in X, it allows me to add it to the repository
[06:04] <linux689438> there is no way to do that without X, or if so, what is the exact string to input into sources.list?
[06:05] <maduser> no clue
[06:05] <linux689438> lol, thats what the forums said
[06:05] <linux689438> shoot, and its 400 mb i would have to download if i can't use the cd
[06:05] <linux689438> guess i might as well start downloading
[06:05] <maduser> do you have slow boradband?
[06:06] <linux689438> yeah
[06:06] <linux689438> charter = slow
[06:06] <kgoetz> slow meaning...?
[06:06] <linux689438> 182 kb/s max
[06:06] <kgoetz> oh noes, teh slow...
[06:06] <linux689438> i'll be downloading for an hour
[06:07] <leo_rockw> i download at 64 kb/s ¬¬
[06:07] <linux689438> that doesn't bother you?
[06:07] <kgoetz> leo_rockw: Kb/s or kb/s?
[06:08] <linux689438> kb/s
[06:08] <kgoetz> dialup?
[06:08] <leo_rockw> real kb (i always forget the nomenclature...)
[06:08] <linux689438> oh no, cable
[06:08] <maduser> gots me 20mbps
[06:08] <leo_rockw> it is 512kbps
[06:08] <linux689438> wow
[06:08] <leo_rockw> but, yeah... slow
[06:08] <linux689438> hey, the grub installer failed and lilo only lets me boot linux?
[06:09] <linux689438> when i get X running, is it easy to remove lilo and install grub?
[06:09] <kgoetz> your obsesive about having x running
[06:09] <linux689438> terminal is fast for some things
[06:09] <linux689438> but not multitasking
[06:09] <linux689438> even with several screens
[06:10] <leo_rockw> just imagine X as a huge frontend for CLI
[06:10] <linux689438> CLI?
[06:10] <leo_rockw> command line interface
[06:10] <linux689438> i do, thats how i debug all those KDE programs that are unstable
[06:10] <linux689438> :)
[06:11] <linux689438> example: kvpnc
[06:11] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[06:11] <leo_rockw> yeah, you run the program and read what it spits out on konsole (or in my case, yakuake)
[06:11] <leo_rockw> hey ForgeAus
[06:11] <linux689438> hey, how do you copy and paste in konsole
[06:11] <linux689438> its differnet than gnome's terminal, much harder it seems
[06:12] <leo_rockw> you paste with shit insert
[06:12] <leo_rockw> you copy with rmb>copy
[06:12] <jussi01> !ohmy
[06:12] <ubotwo> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:12] <linux689438> rbm?
[06:12] <leo_rockw> right mouse button
[06:12] <jussi01> heh... didnt read that correctly...
[06:12] <linux689438> lol
[06:13] <ForgeAus> whats this error? QInputContext: no input method context available
[06:14] <linux689438> is lilo easy to replace with grub using apt-get?
[06:14] <leo_rockw> ForgeAus: google is your friend
[06:14] <linux689438> unless you don't have X
[06:14] <ForgeAus> ok thanx leo
[06:14] <ForgeAus> hmmm Xless :)
[06:15] <linux689438> yes i am right now
[06:15] <linux689438> and its very limiting
[06:15] <leo_rockw> what does X have to do with google?
[06:15] <ForgeAus> lilo replaces grub?
[06:15] <leo_rockw> !lynx
[06:15] <ubotwo> Browsers available for Ubuntu: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), w3m (terminal-based), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), edbrowse (command-line), Opera (Qt, proprietary)
[06:15] <linux689438> i need to do that yeah
[06:15] <linux689438> lynx just puts colors in it
[06:15] <linux689438> same with links2
[06:15] <leo_rockw> colors in what?
[06:16] <linux689438> the website, like irssi does with irc
[06:16] <leo_rockw> so?
[06:16] <linux689438> its hard to use google without X
[06:16] <linux689438> any text browser really doesn't help
[06:16] <leo_rockw> i disagree
[06:16] <linux689438> it should be simple to tab between back and forward and home, like a firefox but text based
[06:17] <ForgeAus> I like lynx, it makes me all nostalgic
[06:17] <nesy> hi
[06:17] <leo_rockw> the Linux philosophy is 'laugh in the face of danger'. Oops. Wrong one. 'Do it yourself'. That's it.
[06:17] <linux689438> any of them support gopher?
[06:17] <ForgeAus> hehe gopher is a diff protocol
[06:18] <ForgeAus> I don't think even current firefox supports it
[06:18] <leo_rockw> so if you want a browser with tabs and stuff in CLI, start learning ncurses
[06:18] <linux689438> yeah, it does
[06:18] <linux689438> and the 3.0b2 does too
[06:18] <ForgeAus> but I think IE6 did and I know firefox used to... wow kewl still
[06:18] <ForgeAus> I still think theres alotta good in gopher, I wish it hadn't have all but disappeared
[06:18] <ForgeAus> I think theres stil a few servers that run
[06:18] <linux689438> its a safe place for a warez ftp
[06:19] <linux689438> yeah, pygopherd
[06:19] <ForgeAus> hehe lol linux I never thought of that
[06:19] <linux689438> no one ever checks the gopher port 70
[06:20] <linux689438> 20 more min of downloading kubuntu-desktop
[06:20] <ForgeAus> at least until it becomes popular again
[06:20] <linux689438> lol, its a propeitary protocol isn't it?
[06:20] <ForgeAus> ouch linux dude.. thats one big d/l depending on what you didn't have to begin with
[06:20] <linux689438> doesn't a univ have the copyright on it?
[06:20] <ForgeAus> really? I didn't know that
[06:21] <linux689438> like the univ of minn or something
[06:21] <ForgeAus> is http proprietary too then?
[06:21] <linux689438> i think they had it and gave it up maybe, but it was too late
[06:21] <leo_rockw> yup, university of minnesota
[06:21] <leo_rockw> they licensed it for commercial use
[06:21] <linux689438> no, i think thats what made it popular (http)
[06:21] <leo_rockw> not for independent
[06:21] <leo_rockw> now it is gnu gpl
[06:21] <ForgeAus> gopher was nice... I still think its useful even in todays world of http
[06:21] <linux689438> kind of like ibm's nfs
[06:22] <linux689438> i tried gopher programming
[06:22] <ForgeAus> a good supplement
[06:22] <linux689438> different than html, a little odd to get used to
[06:23] <ForgeAus> um do you mean writing a gopher file? or using C to do mess with gopher stuff?
[06:23] <linux689438> writing a gopher file
[06:23] <ForgeAus> ahh ok well sorry but I don't consider that programming...
[06:23] <linux689438> lol
[06:23] <linux689438> resume builder :)
[06:24] <ForgeAus> lol
[06:24] <livingdaylight> Ave
[06:24] <leo_rockw> Ave livingdaylight
[06:25] <livingdaylight> leo_rockw, :)
[06:25] <ForgeAus> using an ide to automate HTML is getting close to programming, when theres sourcecode that isn't just <tags> it becomes programming.... the lines are kinda transparent in some IDE's
[06:25] <livingdaylight> i just installed the kde4-core from kubuntu
[06:25] <livingdaylight> NICE!
[06:25] <linux689438> is konqueror fixed?
[06:25] <ForgeAus> hehe ld :)
[06:25] <ForgeAus> konqeuror was broken?
[06:25] <linux689438> very much so
[06:25] <ForgeAus> how so?
[06:25] <linux689438> very unstable program
[06:25] <livingdaylight> in what way is konqueror broken?
[06:26] <ForgeAus> dolphin is the default :( I'd prefer konqi or krusader
[06:26] <linux689438> if you try to check run all protocols through http proxy
[06:26] <livingdaylight> seeems to be working sofar
[06:26] <linux689438> it doesn't allow fish
[06:26] <Yuji> goodness i love konqueror. I love the access keys
[06:26] <leo_rockw> konqueror uses d3lphin to shows forlders now
[06:26] <leo_rockw> to show*
[06:26]  * ForgeAus casts a line to linux :)
[06:26] <livingdaylight> ForgeAus, you can change it to your preference ;)
[06:26] <Yuji> do many other browsers use that?
[06:26] <leo_rockw> konqueror is SO good
[06:27] <linux689438> konqueror is the only one that does scp
[06:27] <ForgeAus> yah apt: kioslave rox :)
[06:27] <linux689438> through its fish protocol
[06:27] <livingdaylight> how do i get flash to work in konqueror though>?
[06:27] <linux689438> there is a new opensource flash now
[06:27] <livingdaylight> i have flash installed on my Ubuntu
[06:27] <linux689438> you don't have to get the standard adobe flash anymore
[06:27] <livingdaylight> works in my firefox
[06:28] <linux689438> does KDE work on ARM?
[06:28] <leo_rockw> !klash
[06:28] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[06:28] <leo_rockw> !gnash
[06:28] <ubotwo> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[06:28] <linux689438> thats it, gnash
[06:28] <leo_rockw> hey, why is gnash there and not klash?
[06:28] <ForgeAus> I take it that fish is different from friendly interactive shell fish
[06:28] <leo_rockw> klash is the kde version
[06:28] <livingdaylight> how do i add flash to konqueror??
[06:28] <linux689438> correct, fish is a scp for konqueror
[06:29] <leo_rockw> there's also smb, man, help, system...
[06:29] <linux689438> darn, i can't eject my cd
[06:29] <linux689438> sudo eject /dev/cdrom fails to work
[06:30] <ForgeAus> back, I must have got dissed
[06:30] <linux689438> how do i force umount to /dev/cdrom?
[06:30] <ForgeAus> as I was saying...
[06:30] <ForgeAus> * ForgeAus casts a line to linux :)
 yah apt: kioslave rox :)
 I take it that fish is different from friendly interactive shell fish
[06:30] <eddieftw> sudo umont....
[06:30] <linux689438> i thought that was a joke
[06:31] <linux689438> i don't know what friendly interactive shell fish is?
[06:31] <eddieftw> fish is a different shell...
[06:31] <leo_rockw> ForgeAus: imagine browsing another comp like it was your comp, using invisible ssh
[06:31] <ForgeAus> um acccording to a quick googlesearch it lets you drag and drop files to/from? remote locations...
[06:31] <eddieftw> like bash is a shell for example. bourne shell. etc.
[06:31] <ForgeAus> basically like FTP?
[06:31] <linux689438> returns: device is busy (its really not though)
[06:31] <alucardromero> yes.
[06:31] <eddieftw> no SCP is NOT like FTP
[06:31] <eddieftw> no no no
[06:32] <linux689438> thought they were the same, one with encryption through ssh
[06:32] <linux689438> the other raw
[06:32] <eddieftw> scp is secure. FTP is NOT secure. scp = secure copy. sftp = secure ftp
[06:32] <kgoetz> scp is *nothing* like ftp
[06:32] <alucardromero> Ditto
[06:32] <kgoetz> actually, they both use tcp/ip, so i was wrong. their *almost* nothing alike
[06:32] <eddieftw> if you want your passwords read across the internet because of a tcpdump, then yea, by all means, don't use encryption. or better yet, do it with ssh1
[06:33] <alucardromero> You can browse files in the same fashion though.
[06:33] <leo_rockw> scp and ftp are different. for starters the acronym is different :-P
[06:33] <linux689438> anyone know how i can eject my cdrom?
[06:33] <alucardromero> Secure CoPy Vs File Transfer Protocol
[06:33] <linux689438> sudo umount /dev/cdrom fails b/c its busy
[06:33] <linux689438> its really not though
[06:33] <kgoetz> linux689438: stop using it
[06:33] <linux689438> i have
[06:33] <linux689438> its not making noise
[06:34] <alucardromero> sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[06:34] <linux689438> tried that too
[06:34] <linux689438> same error
[06:34] <linux689438> button fails to open it either
[06:34] <alucardromero> Have you restarted the computer?
[06:34] <linux689438> can't, apt-geting now
[06:34] <kgoetz> linux689438: you probably hae a shell open
[06:34] <alucardromero> You're not running a LiveCD are you?
[06:34] <eddieftw> linux689438: how about pastebining the error out?
[06:34] <eddieftw> so we know what's wrong
[06:34] <linux689438> no, but getting 400 mb of apt-get kubuntu-desktop stuff
[06:34] <livingdaylight> can someone tell me :  i've changed my desktop   background and all i get now is a white screen?
[06:35] <linux689438> image format incompatibility?
[06:35] <livingdaylight> linux689438, huh? i can't even revert back to default background
[06:35] <alucardromero> linux689438: Have you restarted X?
[06:35] <linux689438> alt+ctrl+backspace to restart X
[06:35] <alucardromero> Usually that'll kill anything you have running, including whatever process is using the CD-ROM.
[06:35] <jussi01> linux689438: kde3 or 4?
[06:36] <jussi01> gah livingdaylight
[06:36] <alucardromero> Yes, that'll restart X
[06:36] <linux689438> i don't have X
[06:36] <livingdaylight> jussi01, hi :)
[06:36] <jussi01> hi
[06:36] <linux689438> trying to get it now through apt-get
[06:36] <alucardromero> ...?  Oh.
[06:36] <linux689438> 5 more min or so
[06:37] <livingdaylight> jussi01, tried changing background and all i have now is a white screen. Cant revert back to default either... on kde4 here
[06:37] <eddieftw> i guaranatee you that you have X installed
[06:37] <eddieftw> if you have ubuntu installed, you have X
[06:37] <linux689438> no, startx or initd failed
[06:37] <jussi01> livingdaylight: kde4 support in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[06:37] <linux689438> no, i have no desktop installed
[06:37] <livingdaylight> ok :D
[06:37] <jussi01> eddieftw: not so.
[06:37] <linux689438> i didn't even have initd
[06:37] <linux689438> or the X equiv
[06:38] <linux689438> xterm u mean?
[06:38] <eddieftw> linux689438: you have KDE?
[06:38] <livingdaylight> didn't know there was a kubuntu-kde4 lol
[06:38] <linux689438> downloading kubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <linux689438> that includes kde4?
[06:38] <jussi01> no
[06:38] <linux689438> or is that another 200 mb? lol
[06:38] <leo_rockw> linux689438: nope, 3.5.8
[06:38] <linux689438> darn
[06:38] <linux689438> another 200 mb
[06:38] <linux689438> darn
[06:38] <leo_rockw> linux689438: not really... you already have X and QT
[06:39] <leo_rockw> linux689438: it shouldn't be that much... just some apps and an upgrade to qt4
[06:39] <alucardromero> That's what I was gonna say... you should already have X if you see something on your screen. :P
[06:39] <linux689438> how do i start it if startx doesn't pull?
[06:39] <linux689438> oh, i have tty1-7
[06:39] <leo_rockw> linux689438: xinit
[06:39] <linux689438> that failed too
[06:39] <jussi01> !start x
[06:39] <linux689438> is xinit = initx?
[06:39] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[06:39] <jussi01> hrmm
[06:40] <linux689438> xinit gives server error and fails
[06:40] <linux689438> and lilo doesn't let me book my first partition
[06:40] <jussi01> linux689438: which gfx card?
[06:40] <linux689438> guessing an intel (laptop)
[06:40] <linux689438> wait
[06:40] <linux689438> its a radeon i think
[06:40] <linux689438> darn, no sticker on it
[06:40] <jussi01> linux689438: ahhh..
[06:40] <jussi01> linux689438: lspci
[06:41] <linux689438> maybe or agp?
[06:41] <jussi01> no, use that command
[06:41] <linux689438> oh, ok
[06:41] <jussi01> :)
[06:41] <linux689438> i don't see it anywhere
[06:41] <linux689438> i can't scroll up
[06:41] <linux689438> or don't know how
[06:41] <leo_rockw> linux689438: what error do you get when you startx?
[06:41] <alucardromero> Pg Up
[06:41] <jussi01> try shift pgup
[06:41] <linux689438> same error, server error
[06:42] <linux689438> nope
[06:42] <jussi01> linux689438: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:42] <linux689438> almost done with kubuntu-desktop
[06:42] <linux689438> that had xserver-org in the list of deps
[06:42] <linux689438> (didn't have installed i guess)
[06:42] <alucardromero> If you're running Kubuntu, you should have X somewhere on that ox.
[06:42] <alucardromero> box*
[06:43] <leo_rockw> jussi01: didn't know about shift + pgup, thanks!
[06:43] <linux689438> i think i just downloaded all 400 mb of kubuntu-desktop and its deps
[06:43] <manchicken> How did you install where you didn't have xserver-xorg and kubuntu-desktop?
[06:43] <jussi01> alucardromero: he doesnt he is installang as we speak
[06:43] <linux689438> they're installing now
[06:43] <alucardromero> Oh, network install?
[06:43] <linux689438> used mini.iso
[06:43] <linux689438> yeah
[06:43] <manchicken> Why?
[06:43] <alucardromero> Awesome.
[06:43] <linux689438> cd drive doesn't read large cds
[06:43] <manchicken> heh
[06:43] <alucardromero> Hey, I should do that with this shitty computer I have lying around.
[06:43] <linux689438> and it took three burns to get 10 mb on one
[06:43] <alucardromero> Lol
[06:43] <manchicken> Ah.  Interesting limitation.  I thought the network install installed all of that for you without the need for manual babysitting.
[06:44] <linux689438> it won't freeze during kubuntu-desktop
[06:44]  * alucardromero believes he will revive a shitty computer through the use of mini.iso
[06:44] <linux689438> so i just had to uncheck all then go to ubuntu without X (ubuntu-server i guess) without the cool server tools
[06:44] <linux689438> lol, trying
[06:44] <linux689438> and grub installation failed
[06:44] <linux689438> so i had to use lilo
[06:44] <linux689438> and now it doesn't detect the first partition with a win on it
[06:45] <linux689438> hoping removing lilo and installing grub again will fix that problem?
[06:45]  * leo_rockw hasn't used lilo in ages
[06:45] <jussi01> !ohmy | alucardromero
[06:45] <ubotwo> alucardromero: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:45] <linux689438> hate it, but it allowed me to boot here
[06:45] <linux689438> rather than grub which didn't allow me to boot anywhere
[06:45] <alucardromero> Oy, sorry.
[06:46] <linux689438> why don't they allow installing iso to hd and installing from there
[06:46] <linux689438> that would be so much easier on everyone?
[06:46] <jussi01> linux689438: I beleive you can do that
[06:47] <leo_rockw> i have a pentium 233mhz, 64mb ram, 4mb video laying around i might revive
[06:47] <alucardromero> I suppose if you copied the files to that hard drive, you could boot from it.
[06:47] <linux689438> no easy way to do it for users
[06:47] <alucardromero> Not the iso, but the contents of it.
[06:47] <linux689438> then u need to flag the partition boot?
[06:47] <alucardromero> yeah.
[06:47] <jussi01> !install
[06:47] <ubotwo> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[06:48] <alucardromero> Or just set your BIOS to boot from that HD.
[06:48] <linux689438> (its a laptop)
[06:48] <livingdaylight> i don't know if this is a kde4 question or kubuntu in general -  i don't have flash working in konqueror although i have flash installed inmy Ubuntu install in general. Can someone advise?
[06:48] <leo_rockw> alucardromero: if the HD has more than one bootable partition that won't work
[06:48] <leo_rockw> livingdaylight: i believe the latest flash doesn't work on konqueror
[06:48] <linux689438> can it boot from a non-NTFS/FAT?
[06:48] <alucardromero> That's true.
[06:48] <livingdaylight> leo_rockw, ahhh
[06:49] <leo_rockw> linux689438: i don't see why not
[06:49] <alucardromero> What file system does it use?
[06:49] <leo_rockw> livingdaylight: when i installed the latest one it broke, so i got me the previous version
[06:49] <leo_rockw> livingdaylight: like, the latest is 9.x and i got me 9.x-1
[06:49] <linux689438> leo_rockw: ntfs win and ext3 linux
[06:50] <linux689438> screen flashed, guess its installing xorg :)
[06:52] <linux689438> restarting, thanks for yalls help
[06:52] <linux689438> might be back in if run into troubles
[06:58] <mohamed_> anyone installed ATI drivers ?
[06:58] <jussi01> !ati
[06:58] <ubotwo> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:06] <bobleny> Hey, does anyone happen to know the command used to view the hardware on your computer?
[07:08] <Tm_T> bobleny: lshw
[07:08] <leo_rockw> bobleny: lspci is one
[07:08] <kgoetz> dmidecode
[07:11] <bobleny> Thank you, lshw is exatclly what I was looking for.
[07:38] <bernhard_> Need some help from a guru
[07:39]  * leo_rockw whistles low...
[07:39] <leo_rockw> tell us how we can help you bernhard_
[07:39] <leo_rockw> i don't consider myself a guru, but i might have your answer :-P
[07:39] <bernhard_> thanks for reply
[07:40] <bernhard_> I'm new with kubuntu
[07:40] <bernhard_> But I could create a working system (notebook) with wlan
[07:41] <bernhard_> After updating, the system hangs while booting
[07:41] <bernhard_> When removing the wlan card, the system booted
[07:42] <leo_rockw> what's the last thing loading when it freezes?
[07:43] <bernhard_> Difficult for me to answer. Latest kernel was 2.6.15-29 updated to 2.6.15.51
[07:43] <leo_rockw> bernhard_: when it's booting press ctrl+alt+f1
[07:43] <leo_rockw> bernhard_: and you will see all the things loading at boot time
[07:44] <bernhard_> I found that /lib/modules/2.6.15-386/build is missing. So I cannot reinstall wlan support
[07:44] <bernhard_> ctrl+alt+f1 thanks
[07:45] <ere4si> looks like the os is dapper
[07:45] <bernhard_> yes
[07:45] <leo_rockw> is dapper the lts?
[07:45] <bernhard_> 6.06 lts
[07:45] <bernhard_> lts yes
[07:46] <bernhard_> How can I create /lib/modules/2.6.15-386/build directory
[07:48] <ere4si> bernhard_, are the linux headers and source installed?
[07:48] <ere4si> for that kernel?
[07:49] <bernhard_> How can I check this?
[07:51] <ere4si> bernhard_, open adept and do a search
[07:51] <bernhard_> ok I try
[07:53] <leo_rockw> gnite everyone
[07:55] <bernhard_> okay, I managed it. Headers are not installed for my kernel. I guess I have to install it.
[07:57] <ere4si> bernhard_, that will give you most things "build"
[07:57] <bernhard_> I understand and try to install
[07:58] <ere4si> bernhard_, good luck :)
[07:58] <ere4si> bye
[07:58] <bernhard_> bye. Many thangs. Greetings from Germany
[08:10] <linuxmce> Anyone have experience configuring Windows MCE remote on 0704 release?
[08:11] <linuxmce> Anyone have experience configuring Windows MCE remote on 0704 release?
[08:11] <kiefer> No one did the first time
[08:11] <kiefer> what makes you think anything has changed?
[08:14] <ol_dude67> you scared him..lol.
[08:14] <kiefer> Lmao I didnt mean to sound rude
[08:15] <ol_dude67> hey i just thought you was being honest if any one would of known i think someone would of said something.
[08:15] <kiefer> Haha exactly, I probably should have pointed him towards a website :\
[08:16] <ol_dude67> ya probably...will be called bad names now.
[08:16] <kiefer> Loll
[08:16] <ol_dude67> oh well not the first time...:D
[08:18] <kiefer> Haha true
[08:18] <ol_dude67> besides i think google would of found him alot of answers anyways....
[08:19] <kiefer> True, Googles always my first choice
[08:19] <kiefer> I figure why bother people with my problems if i can solve them my self
[08:19] <ol_dude67> it does and a ton of them
[08:20] <MilitantPotato> When trying to mount from Konq, I get a 'Feature only available with HAL' error.  This happened after upgrading KDE
[08:20] <ol_dude67> google is my hero...:D
[08:20] <ol_dude67> MilitantPotato, not to you sorry.
[08:21] <MilitantPotato> I'm lost
[08:21] <ol_dude67> MilitantPotato,  was talking to kiefer
[08:21] <kiefer> Lmao
[08:22] <kiefer> Brb, Need food ^_^
[08:22] <ol_dude67> MilitantPotato,what version of kde are you talking about?
[08:22] <MilitantPotato> Ah, yea figured ya weren't talking to me
[08:23] <MilitantPotato> 3.5.9
[08:23] <ol_dude67> MilitantPotato, do you have hal installed?
[08:23] <MilitantPotato> yep
[08:24] <MilitantPotato>  * Restarting Hardware abstraction layer hald                            [ OK ]
[08:25] <ol_dude67> MilitantPotato, i coming from slack to kubuntu, but i think you need a total reboot for hal...but ask someone else first.
[08:26] <MilitantPotato> Mm odd
[08:26] <MilitantPotato> I'll give a reboot a try
[08:29] <MilitantPotato> no luck
[08:29] <MilitantPotato> I can mount from the CLI, but that's a hassle
[08:29] <MilitantPotato> and my wife has no idea how to use it
[08:51] <MilitantPotato> mm
[08:52] <kiefer> mm
[08:53] <zacs> what is this?
[08:54] <kiefer> a potato?
[08:54] <zacs> no...i have no idea wtf this is
[08:54] <kiefer> Yeah, its a potato
[08:54] <zacs> liar
[08:54] <kiefer> nope
[08:54] <kiefer> im the honest potato gardian
[08:55] <kiefer> No, tbh this is an IRC chatroom for advice and help on Kubuntu topics
[08:56] <MilitantPotato> Bah, been discovered, piss poor job there kiefer
[08:56] <kiefer> Lmfao
[08:57] <kiefer> Im sorry, I really shouldnt have been appointed the honest potato gardian job placement
[08:57] <kiefer> I was happy at poor potato begger I tell ya!
[09:01] <nanothief> what package needs to be downloaded to get X includes? I'm trying to compile something, and I get the error checking for X... configure error: Can't find X includes.
[09:01] <nanothief> I thought it was x11proto-core-dev, but installing that didn't fix the problem
[09:04] <nanothief> actually, nevermind, I think it was because I didn't have qt4 headers...
[09:04] <kiefer> :p
[09:06] <nanothief> has anyone else tried the default build of umbrello? Mine crashes all the time (which is why I'm building from source)
[09:08] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu 8.04 alpha users: choose "Position: Scale & Crop" for your default wallpaper to get its aspect ratio right
[09:11] <MilitantPotato> is the user haldaemon supposed to be locked?
[09:19] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:19] <Tonio_> can someone confirm he can use network-manager 0.6.6 with knetworkmanager  on hardy ?
[09:20] <Tonio_> the application globally works except fails when connecting to a wireless network
works for me only when the key is in interfaces
[09:25] <MilitantPotato> What's this mean? <WARN>  nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received: org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks.
[09:25] <MilitantPotato> argh
[09:25] <MilitantPotato> way to long, sorry
[09:54] <MilitantPotato> I'm lost.
[09:55] <prince_jammys> !find MilitantPotato
[09:55] <ubotwo> File militantpotato found in sh:, apt-file:, command, not, found
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> Anyone know why Konq seems to think HAL isn't running? It won't automount drives, and it's not detecting the drive names either
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> That'd be the day.
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> It's calling all the drives Hard Disk now
[09:55] <kiefer> rofl
[09:56] <onnorokom> hello
[09:56] <onnorokom> someone plz help me
[09:57] <MilitantPotato> What's up?
[09:59] <onnorokom> MilitantPotato plz give me a site name where i can found ubuntu's software
[09:59] <onnorokom> i can't listen any song after install ubuntu
[09:59] <jussi01> !mp3 | onnorokom
[09:59] <MilitantPotato> you mean an MP3 player?
[09:59] <ubotwo> onnorokom: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:00] <MilitantPotato> If you're using KDE, try Amarok, if you're on the regular Ubuntu, try Totem
[10:00] <onnorokom> can i download this software
[10:01] <onnorokom> can i download this software?
[10:01] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: 98% of the software can be downloaded via Add/Remove in Ubuntu, and Adept in Kubuntu
[10:01] <MilitantPotato> 98% of the popular software*
[10:01] <onnorokom> hm
[10:01] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: Are you using Kubuntu?
just install the files for mp3
[10:02] <onnorokom> www.vorbis.com?
[10:02] <MilitantPotato> insmod: He's no idea what a repository is I'm guessing
[10:02] <insmod> lol
[10:02] <onnorokom> plz help me
[10:02] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: answer my question :)
[10:02] <MilitantPotato> Ubuntu, or Kubuntu?
[10:02] <onnorokom> ubuntu
[10:03] <MilitantPotato> Top left, go to applications, then add remove
[10:03] <MilitantPotato> type in Amarok
[10:03] <MilitantPotato> install that :)
[10:03] <onnorokom> now i m in cyber cafe
[10:03] <onnorokom> here windows xp
[10:03] <onnorokom> so
[10:03] <MilitantPotato> Oh.
[10:04] <MilitantPotato> You want to download software and take it home?
[10:04] <onnorokom> i m here for download this software
[10:04] <onnorokom> yah
[10:04] <MilitantPotato> Hmm.
[10:04] <jussi01> ouch
[10:04] <onnorokom> exactly
[10:04] <onnorokom> now give me the instruction
[10:04] <jussi01> onnorokom: you dont have internet at home at all?
[10:04] <onnorokom> i opened that site
[10:04] <onnorokom> which u given
[10:05] <onnorokom> no brother
[10:05] <onnorokom> Library	Stable Version	Download Link	Size	md5
[10:05] <onnorokom> is this software?
[10:05] <jussi01> !paste | onnorokom
[10:05] <ubotwo> onnorokom: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:06] <onnorokom> ok
[10:06] <onnorokom> bro where r u live in?
[10:07] <MilitantPotato> http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/n/non-free-codecs/
[10:08] <MilitantPotato> jussi01: would downloading non-free-codecs_1.1_i386.deb give him all the codecs he needs?
[10:08] <jussi01> MilitantPotato: without knowing that package well, im not sure.
[10:09] <insmod> for mp3 ya
[10:09] <onnorokom> thnx
[10:09] <insmod> not win32 or ttf etc
[10:09] <insmod> well i maybe ttf
[10:10] <onnorokom> how can i watch video song?
[10:10] <insmod> not flacc etc
[10:10] <onnorokom> mp3?
[10:10] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: AMD64 or i386 install?
i like xxms
[10:10] <onnorokom> then?
[10:11] <MilitantPotato> insmod: may as well give him the ability to play dvds and stuff...?
[10:11] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: did you install the 32 or 64 bit?
[10:11] <onnorokom> 64
[10:11] <MilitantPotato> you sure?
[10:11] <onnorokom> yah
[10:11] <MilitantPotato> ok
[10:11] <MilitantPotato> I'll start sending links.
[10:11] <insmod> are you on 64 bit?
[10:12] <MilitantPotato> I'm not 100% sure this will work, worth a shot.
[10:12] <onnorokom> ok
[10:12] <MilitantPotato> http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/w/w64codecs/w64codecs_20061203-0medibuntu2_amd64.deb
[10:12] <insmod> flash on 64 is a b**** but once installed runs better then on 32
[10:13] <onnorokom> ok
[10:13] <MilitantPotato> http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/non-free/n/non-free-codecs/non-free-codecs_1.1_amd64.deb
[10:13] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: install that first, that SHOULD work.
[10:13] <onnorokom> this is for multimedia?
[10:13] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: yes.
[10:14] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: nevermind, that's a meta package :(
[10:14] <onnorokom> ok
sad pat is some apps still look for win32 not win 64 so you have to symlink it
[10:14] <onnorokom> can i play windows games in ubuntu?
[10:14] <zzillezz> amarok asks me to install mp3 codecs every single time ...
[10:14] <insmod> part
[10:15] <zzillezz> but i can never play any mp3 files ...
[10:15] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: with Wine, some.
[10:15] <onnorokom> lol
shure hit the screen and yell CRASH!!!!!
[10:15] <MilitantPotato> !mp3
[10:15] <ubotwo> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:15] <onnorokom> !video
[10:15] <ubotwo> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[10:16] <onnorokom> !games
[10:16] <ubotwo> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
cedega -- i think thats it claims any gaim will work -- based on wine for games also look at cxoffice
[10:16] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss2-dev_1.2.9-2medibuntu2%2bb1_amd64.deb
[10:16] <MilitantPotato> that's for DVDs
[10:17] <insmod> any game that is
[10:17] <MilitantPotato> http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/b/bmp-wma/bmp-wma_1.0.5-1medibuntu3_all.deb
[10:17] <MilitantPotato> wma
[10:17] <Erzgalo> !filerecovery
[10:17] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[10:18] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: get all the amd64.deb from here http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/f/ffmpeg/
[10:20] <onnorokom>  http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/f/ffmpeg/ [this for wht kind of application?
[10:20] <onnorokom> for video?
[10:20] <onnorokom> for multimedia?
[10:21] <onnorokom>  http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/f/ffmpeg/
[10:21] <MilitantPotato> video
[10:22] <onnorokom> mm
[10:22] <onnorokom> all download?
[10:23] <arussel> how can I bind "Run Command" to a key (F1). I can't see it in the keybiding section of keyboard shortcut.
[10:24] <onnorokom> bye all
[10:24] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: I've no idea really
[10:24] <MilitantPotato> onnorokom: try #medibuntu
[10:24] <onnorokom> see u again
[10:24] <onnorokom> take care
[10:24] <onnorokom> what is medibuntu?
[10:25] <Jucato> !medibuntu | onnorokom
[10:25] <ubotwo> onnorokom: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[10:26] <Jucato> arussel: System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts. Run Command (Alt+F2) is in the Shortcut Schemes -> Global Shortcuts tab and Help (F1) is in the Shortcut Schemes -> Application Shortcuts tab
[10:26] <raymears> hi, everyone. i have a small problem: i want to uninstall compiz. i removed all compiz related packages from adept. kwin has taken over as window manager, but the whole desktop seems less responsive than before.
[10:27] <raymears> i think that kde still tries to start in 3d mode
[10:28] <arussel> Jucato: thanks a lot, I was looking in "Command shortcut".
[10:28] <raymears> anyone have o solution for my problem?
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> tried kwin --replace
[10:28] <MilitantPotato> ?
[10:28] <raymears> oh rebootet quite often.. since yesterday evening...
[10:29] <raymears> but i'll give it a shot
[10:29] <MilitantPotato> ah nvm then
[10:29] <MilitantPotato> :)
[10:29] <raymears> nope. same shtick
[10:29] <raymears> the problem is i struggled about 3 days with the installation of compiz, about 5 months ago and i don't remember anything i've done
[10:30] <MilitantPotato> What video card?
[10:30] <raymears> i can't even find the tutorial i used back then
[10:30] <raymears> intel 965
[10:35] <jussi01> raymears: you may get a better idea by asking in #compiz-fusion
[10:36] <raymears> oh. thanks. i'll do that
[10:36] <MilitantPotat1> raymears: is Window translucency on?
[10:36] <raymears> no.
[10:36] <raymears> everything compiz-related is gone
[10:36] <MilitantPotat1> I ment for Kwin
[10:36] <raymears> oh. lemme see
[10:37] <MilitantPotat1> it's in System Settings>Window Behavior IIRC
[10:38] <raymears> nope, it's off
[10:38] <raymears> so that's not an issue
[10:39] <MilitantPotat1> Emerald isn't installed by chance is it?
[10:39] <raymears> the thing is, when kde starts up... i get a funny zig-zag-shaped flimmer
[10:39] <MilitantPotat1> or XGL
[10:39] <raymears> oh. xgl might be it
[10:39] <raymears> i removed emerald...
[10:39] <raymears> i didn't do nothing about xgl
[10:39] <MilitantPotat1> yea XGL maked that checkerboard mess for me
[10:40] <raymears> ok. i'll uninstall it...
[10:41] <raymears> ok, i hope it works. i'll do a restart of x
[10:44] <raymears> hey! it worked! thanks a million!
[10:45] <vikku> how can i browse content of of a cd
[10:46] <MilitantPotat1> Open Konq, go to system
[10:49] <MilitantPotat1> hmm
[10:50] <MilitantPotat1> if I sudo rm -r / and copy an old backup to the root drive, will linux load?
[10:52] <MilitantPotat1> bah worth a shot
[10:54] <arussel> I want to bind F2 to Konqueror, but if konqueror is already started, I want the focus on the current instance, not a new one. Is there a way ?
[10:58] <MilitantPotat1>  --silent
[10:59] <arussel> I had a look at dcop, but couldn't find a way to focus on an application
[10:59] <MilitantPotat1> did you try the --silent modifyer?
[11:00] <arussel> MilitantPotat1: sorry, I didn't know you were talking to me. I'll have a look.
[11:00] <MilitantPotat1> konqueror --silent as your F2 command
[11:02] <MilitantPotat1> huh, my screen saver just kicked in
[11:02] <MilitantPotat1> won't go away :D
[11:04] <MilitantPotat1> that was od
[11:05] <arussel> MilitantPotat1: no, silent doesn't do it.
[11:08] <baccie> ciao
[11:08] <Tm_T> baccie: moi
[11:11] <MilitantPotat1> arussel: that's all I had, sorry.
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> sup all :D
[11:14] <MilitantPotat1> how can I delete my install, but not have it crap out while I restore a backup?
[11:14] <MilitantPotat1> or do I need to get on a live CD?
[11:15] <ActionParsnip> MilitantPotat1, how do you mean?
[11:16] <MilitantPotat1> I'm using flyback, I want to delete this whole install (major HAL issues) and restore a backup
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> MilitantPotat1, you could wipe the partition easily enough under the live cd environment
[11:16] <MilitantPotat1> ok, I'll go that route, guess I can't be lazy :)
[11:21] <holo> howto startx automatically without logging manually? I tried su -c startx user but I get connection refused. i have put this code in /etc/rc.local
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> holo, you should be able to startx as regular user. running the x server as root isnot advised
[11:22] <holo> ActionParsnip: i won't run as root, I will su into a user as you can see from my code
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> holo, have you recently modified xorg.conf?
[11:23] <holo> Of course, my code is not working or i wouldn't be making the question
[11:23] <holo> ActionParsnip: no
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> holo, what did you do before you started experiencing this issue?
[11:24] <holo> ActionParsnip: removed xdm :o)
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> holo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XDM
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> holo, you might wanna reinstall that :D
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> holo, then troubleshoot from there
[11:26] <holo> why should I install xdm or any session manager?
[11:26] <holo> i can login X
[11:26] <holo> i don't need that crap
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> holo, ok cool
[11:26] <holo> you didn't understand
[11:27] <holo> i can't go to a X sesion on boot
[11:27] <holo> on boot means 0 typing
[11:27] <vistakiller> hi
[11:27] <holo> hi vistakiller
[11:27] <vistakiller> i have just upgrade to kubuntu hardy heron
[11:27] <vistakiller> i have a strange problem with some gtk programmes
[11:28] <Wolfspfote> hiho
[11:28] <Wolfspfote> I have a problem with my xorg.conf
[11:28] <vistakiller> http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firestartercq8.png
[11:28] <Wolfspfote> I attached a second TFT to my computer and tried to set everything up with nvidia-settings
[11:28] <vistakiller> why some programmes in hardy looks so ugly?
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> holo, try section 3.6 here http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml
[11:28] <Wolfspfote> now x wont start anymore
[11:29] <Wolfspfote> failed to initialize NVIDIA Device
[11:29] <Wolfspfote>  Screens Found, but no one with working settings
[11:29] <holo> checking
[11:29] <vistakiller> Wolfspore reconfigure your xserver and install again the driver
[11:29] <Wolfspfote> how do I reconfigure?
[11:29] <holo> ActionParsnip: should I search for a particular string?
[11:29] <vistakiller> then run nvidia-setting with root permission
[11:30] <vistakiller> go to recovery mode option in grub
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> holo, just scroll down to section 3.5
[11:30] <Wolfspfote> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg wont work
[11:30] <vistakiller> and type
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> Wolfspfote, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/dual-monitors-with-nvidia.html
[11:30] <vistakiller> sudo
[11:30] <vistakiller> with sudo in recovery
[11:31] <Wolfspfote> not really, it says I dont have the package xserver-xorg installed
[11:31] <holo> ActionParsnip: before going there I think I may know what happened.. because on boot root is the user, and i forgot to set .xinitrc for him, this may be the problem
[11:31] <Wolfspfote> ActionParsnip, thanks for the link =)
[11:32] <Creationist> Is it possible to install KDE 4.1 through apt?
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> Wolfspfote, np dude
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> Creationist, absolutely
[11:33] <Wolfspfote> vistakiller, I tried some howtos and solutions found on the net....even to start within recovery mode....nothing worked....it doesnt even work when I use the backupped xorg.conf
[11:33] <Creationist> ActionParsnip: Just installing kde4-base wouldn't do it, though, would it?
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> Creationist, http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php
[11:33] <jussi01> !kde4
[11:33] <ubotwo> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[11:33] <vistakiller> maybe you have unistall a package
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> Creationist, you'll have kde4 libs as well as kde3 though
[11:33] <Wolfspfote> maybe there could be a conflict? SOmeone else told me to install the drivers from the nvidia homepage....
[11:33] <jussi01> Creationist: 4.1 does not exist yet
[11:33] <vistakiller> try to reinstall the package glx-new
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> Creationist, depends how much space you have spare and if you want to run both
[11:34] <Creationist> jussi01: It doesn't?  I just read a whole blog about the 4.1 changelog.
[11:34] <Wolfspfote> I did.....but same messages as above appeared... =/
[11:34] <vistakiller> nvidia-glx-new
[11:34] <jussi01> Creationist: yes, the propsed changes are out, not the actual thing
[11:34] <jussi01> Creationist: see the message from the bot
[11:34] <Creationist> jussi01: Oh, that's sad... I got so excited.
[11:34] <Creationist> jussi01: Well, the bot COULD be wrong, you know ;)
[11:35] <jussi01> Creationist: also, kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4
[11:39] <Wolfspfote> well going to try later.....have to go back to work now....thanks everybody =)
[11:39] <vistakiller> any idea for the problem with the ugly windows in hardy?
[11:39] <vistakiller> http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firestartercq8.png
[11:40] <jussi01> vistakiller: hardy supprt in #ubuntu+1 please :)
[11:40] <vistakiller> ok sorry :P
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> vistakiller, looks ok to me, what are you expecting to see?
[11:42] <vistakiller> is not good in gutsy the windows was ok
[11:42] <vistakiller> without the cubes :P
[11:43] <vistakiller> i go to hardy channel now
[11:50] <kuser51> hello kubutereros
[11:51] <kuser51> what im going todo to update my kde 3 to kde 4
[11:51] <mix25> Hello, i need help with KDE4, what can i make to have quicklanch?
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> !kde4
[11:51] <ubotwo> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. reading on disrto watch - a new feature of 'elive' disrto --> CDs can eject without being unmounted first
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> How the heck are they doing that. :)
[11:54] <ross> kind of like speaking without thinking first...?
[11:54] <kuser51> there somethin in kde4?
[11:54] <jussi01> kuser51: please use #kubuntu-kde4
[11:55] <ross> maybe it's unmounting internally, and then ejecting?
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> ross,  yea. ive seen a feture where you can auto-eject the cd from the drive, when its unmounted.. but thats not what they are saying.
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> Makes one wonder what happens if you pop out the cd while  installing. :)
[11:56] <ross> and then what happens when you put another cd in?  Have you played with it at all?
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> ross,  just saw it mentioned on disrtowatch. :)
[11:57] <kuser51> my compiz fusion already installed in system, how to activate the effects
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> I do recall Once while installing windows   the Service pack 2 cd i had was scratched so it wouldent copy the windows media player files over.. got mad at it.. so when it errored - i ejected the cd. and put  a older/different windows cd in. :) heh
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> Good old windowsa.. freaked out whene it couldent install the CRITICAL windows mediaplayer 7 files.. heh.
[11:58] <ross> you're bringing back memories I wish I could forget....:)
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> Yep. You dont want to know the issues that scratched windows cd gave me.
[12:00] <ross> are you running virtual machines?
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> couldent even uninstall WMP to reinstall it correctly.. newer ones wouldent install right.. all due to one file being messed up
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> I got vmware and xp  going  here :) every so often
[12:00] <ross> O
[12:01] <ross> I'm pondering on trying to setup a virtual 2003 server with Visual Studio, to see how performant it is, but I'm not sure that VS installs on 2003...
[12:01] <ross> I suppose there is a way to find out
[12:01] <kuser51> please try the virtual box
[12:02] <ross> that may be the one I saw in the application list, k
[12:02] <ross> I looked at it a bit, but I didn't have my install cds within reach at the time
[12:03] <kuser51> windows applications is compatible to kubuntu linux?
[12:03] <ross> kuser51: I guess it was "VirtualBox" that I have installed, it looked very easy to use
[12:04] <jussi01> !appdb
[12:04] <ross> which is good for me...I am a bit of a noob
[12:04] <ubotwo> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[12:06] <ross> Is anyone familiar with setting up/using virtual machines?
[12:07] <rahul5000w> From kubuntu machines i am not able to contact mail server! sometimes it works when i reduce memory to 512mb from 1 gb!!! anyone faces this crazy issue?
[12:08] <ross> rahul5000w: are you talking virtual machines?
[12:08] <rahul5000w> nop..
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> Virtualbox is handy. I find i have better luck with vmware in some cases
[12:09] <rahul5000w> getting error that: REQUEST TIMED OUT both in kmail and thunderbird
[12:09] <kuser51> aside from wine dabatabese there any application to run...
[12:09] <kuser51> microsoft office is compatible to wine
[12:10] <ross> Dr_Willis: I'm trying VirtualBox for the first time, and am surprised that it is recommending only 256 MB RAM, does this seem very low to you?
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> ross,  depends on what you are doing.
[12:10] <ross> (I'm attempting to install 2003 server, want to run VS 2008)
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> increase it if you want. :) its easy to change
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> I got no idea what those are. :)
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> I use vm's to test out live cd iso's mainly
[12:10] <ross> can you change it after you install?
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> of course. :) you can change all sorts of virtual hardware things.
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> add drives, cards, so forth
[12:12] <ross> ok, maybe I'll double it for starters :) --thanks...
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> You just have to power off the virtual machine, and set the settings
[12:12] <ross> sounds like fun...
[12:13] <kuser51> fallen angel
[12:15] <noaXess> !gwenview
[12:15] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[12:15] <noaXess> !gwenview
[12:15] <noaXess> ??
[12:16] <noaXess> !sound
[12:16] <ubotwo> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:18] <jussi01> !info gwenview | noaXess
[12:18] <ubotwo> noaxess: gwenview: image viewer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 838 kB, installed size 2448 kB (Only available for None)
[12:18] <noaXess> jussi01: i wanted infos about the plugins for gwenview.. found it now.. kipi-pligins..
[12:18] <noaXess> plugins
[12:18] <jussi01> :)
[12:19] <vistakiller> i think the most serious problem in hardy is with the fonts
[12:19] <jussi01> vistakiller: please, not here
[12:19] <noaXess> jussi01: but... in this plugins are no basic grafic tools.. are the some or need i really take gimp for a simple arrow on a pic..?
[12:19] <vistakiller> ops sorry again :P
[12:21] <Jucato> digikam has a small/basic image editor
[12:22] <noaXess> Jucato: okay.. thanks
[12:23] <knower> okay.. thanks
[12:25] <knower> hello
[12:26] <Lalalaaa> Bonjour à tous
[12:26] <Lalalaaa> c'est anglais comme serveur ici?
[12:26] <jussio1> !fr
[12:26] <ubotwo> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:27] <noaXess> Jucato: digiKam can't open a single picture.. you need to make a album....
[12:27] <Lalalaaa> ah ok, thank you alors
[12:27] <kuser51> how to enabled my compiz fusion
[12:27] <Lalalaaa> join #kubuntu-fr
[12:27] <jussio1> Lalalaaa: /join #kubuntu-fr
[12:27] <jussio1> :)
[12:34] <fscherer> fgsfdgs
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> kuser51,  did you read the !compiz factoid site?
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> !compiz | kuser51
[12:36] <ubotwo> kuser51: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:41] <aantn> hello
[12:41] <aantn> are the kde 4 packages in gutsy updated?
[12:44] <drayen> I'm building a new box for 8.04 and to be my new main system, been lookin @ graphics cards, my main need is for dual screen (with one screen rotated though 90 degrees) - anyone know which is the better chipset right now and going forward?
[12:44] <drayen> i hear that ATI are working quite closely with opensource people, but got the impression atm gforce was better?
[12:45] <drayen> also - anyone using pidgen able to join #ubuntu? i get hung...
[12:45] <aantn> drayen: I'm in now
[12:45] <drayen> stange must just be me then
[12:45] <drayen> any idea on the grfx card question?
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> drayen,  ati makes a lot of claims.. so far.. ive not noticed ati improveing much.
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> drayen,  if i was going to get a new video card right NOW - i would get nvidia
[12:47] <drayen> Dr_Willis: thats kinda of what i've been thinking
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> drayen,  even then - some nvidia cards seem to cause some issues.
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> But ive not been keeping track :)
[12:48] <drayen> Dr_Willis: ahh any ideas which to avoid? i've been looking @ 8600 GT
[12:48] <drayen> Dr_Willis: ah ok
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> i seem to recall people withissues with the 8500,  and some of the high end 8800's
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> not sure what the deal is.
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> I would check the forums befor spending $$ :)
[12:50] <zoreol> hello all
[12:50] <zoreol> MS office 2007 doesn't work on Kubuntu?
[12:50] <zoreol> with wine " newer windows is neede"
[12:50] <Jucato> !wine | zoreol
[12:50] <ubotwo> zoreol: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> Its a windows app.. it MIGHT work with wine.
[12:51] <drayen> zoreol: + i would really take a look at open office
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> I agree with Drayen
[12:51] <Jucato> zoreol: try asking in #winehq and also check the appsdb for compatibility
[12:51] <drayen> zoreol: i've not used MS Office for about 6 years + now
[12:51] <zoreol> this is my error message "Newer windows version is needed"
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> zoreol,  check the wine database
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> !appdb
[12:51] <ubotwo> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[12:51] <Jucato> (although... last I checked the appsdb page, MS Office 2007 didn't work)
[12:51] <zoreol> thx :)
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> If youmust have office. you may want to invest in that.. err.. what was it.. crossover office ? product.
[12:55] <zoreol> i don't see it omg
[12:55] <zoreol> must problems with Open office when i save in doc
[12:55] <zoreol> and when i want to read a file with MS, there are lots of bugs :
[12:55] <zoreol> :s
[12:56] <zoreol> but in general , i'm very happy with Kubuntu :)
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> MS is good at breaking their own standards :)
[12:56] <zoreol> Liberty inside :)
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis, MS has standards?
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> ActionParsnip,  yes 'when in doubt the standard procedure is to *#*&@&@&@ the end user' :)
[12:57] <Tm_T> ActionParsnip: they do, though they don't follow themselfs either
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> zoreol, .DOC is a propiatary standard so its a sort of best effort.
[12:57] <zoreol> ok
[12:58] <Tm_T> zoreol: save them to some "open" format they both support
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> Seems that every time a new version of office comes out.. it breaks the older doc files you may have archived from years ago..
[12:58] <Tm_T> like plaintext
[12:58]  * Tm_T hides
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> TeX ! :0
[12:58] <Tm_T> Dr_Willis: thats why plaintext is <3
[12:58] <zoreol> Tm_T : Like?
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> zoreol, most people are pushing for this open document format that everyone can use
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> ODT ? :)
[12:58] <drayen> heh
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> Somthing that shouldof been done 10 years ago. :)
[12:59] <Tm_T> zoreol: like plaintext, or, html, or rtf or, meh
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> Print to PDF.
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> then no one is tied to microsofts garbage systems
[12:59] <zoreol> ok :)
[13:05] <flipstar> hi!
[13:05] <flipstar> how can i run a second xserver not as root?
[13:08] <stdin> flipstar: look at Xephyr, or just use the "Switch User" menu item from the KMenu
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> I thouhg the K menu had a spawn a new login, item somewhere..
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> Yea switch user. Then go between them with alt-ctrl-F7 and F8
[13:08] <flipstar> this is a different xserver ?
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> Its a 2nd running X server...  on its own display.. correct
[13:09] <Jucato> an embedded/windowed xserver
[13:09] <flipstar> okay..great :)
[13:09] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: I actually think it's the same X instance
[13:09] <NetEntity> Hello everyone!
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  is it? Hmm.. wonder how it differes from 'sudo X  -- :2  ' (or whatever the right line is)
[13:10] <Jucato> X :1 (or :2 or :3)
[13:11] <NetEntity> Coming in search of a little help. I'm a Kubuntu newbie who's having a few display problems, and I can't tell what they seem to stem from, be it my X server, or what
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> i havent toyed with that X stuff in ages.
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> NetEntity, whats the issue?
[13:14] <icewaterman> any shell expert here?
[13:15] <Jucato> there are probably some in ##bash
[13:15] <icewaterman> Jucato: ok
[13:15] <NetEntity> Well, it seems that for some reason sections of my display will show a funny 'barcode'
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> NetEntity, does it show up in a screen capture?
[13:15] <NetEntity> and every so often these colored stripes will fill my entire screen and force me to manually reboot.
[13:16] <NetEntity> Screen capture? Not sure, gimme a second and I'll check
[13:16] <Zheka> hi to all
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> NetEntity, screen cap and put it on imageshack / photobucket etc
[13:16] <Zheka> how to create a swap file?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> Zheka, you have a swap partition mounted on /swp
[13:17] <Zheka> tnx
[13:17] <NetEntity> will do
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> Is it possible to run 2 X servers, one with KDE desktop and the other with GNOME?
[13:17] <kaminix> How do I set an adept_notifier to run with root priviligies on boot up?
[13:18] <llutz> ActionParsnip: sure
[13:19] <llutz> ActionParsnip: start 2nd X-server as display :1 and use different wm
[13:19] <Jucato> kaminix: it should do that by default afaik
[13:19] <Jucato> or it does that somehow, to be able to see if there are updates available
[13:19] <kaminix> It is, but I've shut it off when I ran on 512 MB RAM. Now I'm on 2 GB and want it on again ^^
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> Jucato, I think he's wanting to not have to put hi sudo pass in when he uses the updater
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> ty llutz, was just curious :)
[13:20] <kaminix> Actually, I just want to be notified. I'm updating via the command line.
[13:20] <Jucato> ActionParsnip: adept_notifier and adept_updater are 2 different beasts :)
[13:20] <Jucato> kaminix: how did you turn it off?
[13:21] <Jucato> check /usr/share/autostart if you still see the adept_notifier.desktop file
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> Jucato, I dont use either, I manually update when I'm good and ready
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> Jucato, :)
[13:21] <kaminix> Jucato: Right-click, quit and then I just tell it not to start automatically.
[13:21] <Jucato> kaminix: right-click -> quit doesn't ask you anymore?
[13:22] <kaminix> Jucato: I have a adept_notifier_auto.desktop there
[13:22] <Jucato> there should be a line in that file for Autostart=yes or something
[13:23] <kaminix> Jucato: It does, but if I run it with root it will only start if I login with root, and if I run it without root it's not allowed to check for updates
[13:23] <kaminix> Jucato: X-KDE-autostart-condition=adept_notifierrc:General:Autostart:true
[13:24] <Jucato> how are you running it with root? sudo/kdesu? and how do you know it's not allowed to check for updates if run as regular user?
[13:28] <kaminix> Yes, kdesu. I know because it never tells me about updates until I run aptitude update myself.
[13:29] <Jucato> hm.. I think it only checks periodically. of course updates in gutsy don't always come everyday (that'd be for hardy)
[13:29] <flipstar> i think it only checks once a day or so
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all :)
[13:39] <ross> hi BluesKaj
[13:44] <LjL> after the Flash update of some time ago, Flash stopped working for me in Konqueror. i admit i tried to solve the issue in some non-standard ways, such as removing stuff from ~/.mozilla a bit randomly and such... what happens now, basically, is that if i have it installed (either from APT or using Konqueror's wizard, which gives an error about a missing file), the "Start plugin" button has no effect, and pages containing Flash often crash the browser (with or
[13:44] <LjL> without a crash dialog about "nspluginwrapper").
[13:45] <LjL> how could i start troubleshooting this?
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> LjL, what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> and what architecture?
[13:48] <LjL> ActionParsnip, Gutsy on x86, backports and KDE4 PPA enabled
[13:49] <BluesKaj> !flash
[13:49] <ubotwo> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[13:50] <ardiani> hello everyone
[13:50] <ardiani> i have a question
[13:51] <ardiani> about integrated motion eye web cam on sony vaio
[13:51] <ardiani> it wont work with ubuntu
[13:51] <ardiani> what should i do
[13:52] <LjL> BluesKaj, any particular part of that page that you suggest double-checking?
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> ardiani, which vaio is it
[13:53] <ardiani> cr320E
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> ardiani, can you give us a pastebin of your lspi output
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> !paste | ardiani
[13:54] <ubotwo> ardiani: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[13:54] <BluesKaj> hmm, sorry LjL , it seems to be out of date , gutsy isn't even mentioned
[13:54] <LjL> nor is Kubuntu, for that matter. it does work on Firefox
[13:55] <LjL> but i'd rather use Konqueror
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> ardiani, this should hel pLOTS: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-650790.html
[13:55] <ardiani> thnx very much i'll see what i can do
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> ardiani, try googling too :)
[13:57] <ardiani> yes i will
[13:57] <ardiani> thnz ActionParsnip
[13:57] <sasa> hi
[13:57] <ardiani> and you to ubowo
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> LjL, do you have a /usr/lib/flash-plugin folder?
[13:58] <LjL> ActionParsnip: right now, no, but right now i don't have flashplugin-nonfree installed either (i think that currently i have the Konqueror-installed one). shall i install and see?
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> sounds fine, you can always uninstall :)
[13:59] <Fat-head> what happens if i am running kubuntu and i get a power outage? will i get any data corruption or lost files ??
[14:00] <Volex> hello.did anyone verify the md5 of Kubuntu DVD?
[14:01] <Fat-head> anyone help me ?
[14:01] <Fat-head> ^
[14:02] <Volex> i got a num that is not equal with the official one,
[14:02] <flipstar> Fat-head: possible..but as long as you run a journal file system it shouldn't be a problem
[14:02] <drayen> Fat-head: as far as i know EXT3 (default file system of ubuntu) is very fault tolerant, but yes, as with all HD power outages you do run the risk of data loss
[14:03] <BluesKaj> LjL, i had to do a clean install a week or 2 ago , now konqueror does flash quite nicely, and i've avoided any kde updates since. The older versions seem to work , before the updates screw things up for Konq
[14:03] <Fat-head> drayen , flipstar : thnx for the reply, how do i run a journal file system ??
[14:03] <drayen> am i the only one who doesnt really like dolphin? i didnt see there was anything wrong with the old file browser...
[14:03] <LjL> BluesKaj: hm, but i was under the impression that they did eventually manage to make the new version play nice with Konqueror... also, i can't really afford reinstalling :|
[14:03] <drayen> Fat-head: your probably running one already
[14:04] <Fat-head> ?
[14:04] <drayen> Fat-head: EXT3 is journal'ed EXT2
[14:04] <Fat-head> lol ok
[14:04] <Fat-head> thnx man i was starting to worry
[14:04] <LjL> drayen, you still have the option of using Konqueror, and that option won't go away anytime soon
[14:04] <flipstar> if you worry, make a backup :)
[14:04] <Fat-head> dont have the money :(
[14:05] <drayen> Fat-head: 1st rule of computing... if data you care about isnt in 3 places it doesnt really exsist
[14:05] <flipstar> you can still store in inet for free ..
[14:05] <drayen> Fat-head: make the money... trust me... nothing like loosing 5 years of photos
[14:06] <Fat-head> drayen true ive had that happen to me before when i was running windows
[14:06] <Fat-head> but when i do have the money for a new hd or extra hd i always use that hd to store other files not backups :S
[14:06] <drayen> Fat-head: your still vunerable here, if the entire HD fails, no amount of journal file systems will save you
[14:07] <BluesKaj> LjL, yes there is some kind of fix in the repos , which used to be in the bot explanation but it's not showing anymore.
[14:07] <drayen> Fat-head: you might consider off site storage, few places online that do it... X per month for upload/download
[14:07] <Fat-head> yeh im looking into that now
[14:08] <flipstar> gmail allowes to store 2gb as far as i know
[14:08] <flipstar> gmx 1gb
[14:08] <Fat-head> flipstar storage or e-mail archives
[14:09] <flipstar> storage in gmx dont know about gmail
[14:09] <Fat-head> ?
[14:09] <Fat-head> oh
[14:09] <Fat-head> ill look into it thnx man
[14:09] <Fat-head> thnx drayen
[14:09] <drayen> no worries
[14:10] <ForgeAus> whats the significance of the DISPLAY=<ip>:#.# format? do the #'s mean anything specific ? I know they have to match to refer to that X-server
[14:11] <Fat-head> im still waiting for my battery to arrive then id have a ups system but im also gonna start backing up files
[14:11] <ForgeAus> I am writing a blog entry about andLinux :)
[14:11] <ForgeAus> using :1 for the display (since :0 - or possibly :0.0, something like that is taken by default)
[14:16] <BluesKaj> LjL, try this tutorial : http://beginlinux.com/index.php/desktop_training/ubuntu/ubdesk_m/sreen/0/827
[14:18] <BluesKaj> LjL, that's the wrong site, sorry ...it seems difficult to find the right fix , even in google linux. Is this a a onspiracy of silence :)
[14:19] <LjL> BluesKaj, which bot factoid were you referring to? i can probably find it in the logs
[14:25] <BluesKaj> LjL, it was the interim Flash message, which said that it was broken in Gutsy
[14:25] <LjL> BluesKaj: ah, then it's the forums posting you're thinking about. i don't think that fixed it for Konqueror, though, only Firefox
[14:26] <flipstar> ubotu linked to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397
[14:28] <flipstar> btw gnash made it to beta
[14:29] <flipstar> (gnash is the opensource flash player)
[14:31] <jussi01> flipstar: care to join #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[14:31] <flipstar> kay..
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> What's new in Hardy?
[14:40] <jussi01> hmmm, maye #ubuntu+1 is better place to ask?
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> im just mildly curious, googleing :)
[14:45] <arussel> how can I start an app if no instance already exist, or set the focus to it if one already exist ?
[14:49] <counteam> #kubuntu-de
[14:58] <mithraic> Sorry if this is a dumb question: Can I install the version of Krdc from KDE 4.0 without installing the whole shebang, or is that unlikely to work?
[14:59] <LjL> mithraic, all the kde4 libraries will have to get installed
[15:00] <mithraic> I kinda figured you'd say that :) Okay, thanks.
[15:02] <Jucato> mithraic: what he meant was that it will install kde4libs and any other thing kdrc depends on. but it doesn't necessarily mean it will install all of kde4
[15:02] <mithraic> Okay, sure. Where should I point apt-get to fetch the bleeding-edge Krdc?
[15:03] <Jucato> !kde4 | mithraic
[15:03] <ubotwo> mithraic: KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:03] <mithraic> Or, is there a different VNC client that I should be using anyway?
[15:03] <Jucato> follow the instructions to add the kde4 repository
[15:03] <stdin> you don't want beading edge kde4
[15:03] <mithraic> Lovely, thanks.
[15:04] <jhutchins_wk> mithraic: I believe the current repositories are packaged to install kde4 in parallel so you can run either 3.5.x or 4.
[15:04] <Jucato> the package seems to be krdc-kde4.. but I'm wondering why you need the KDE4 version
[15:04] <mithraic> Sorry, getting my bearings here. Long-time OS X and Solaris user, first-time Linux/Ubuntu version.
[15:04] <mithraic> The KDE4 version has bookmarking.
[15:04] <mithraic> s/version/user/
[15:07] <jhutchins_wk> mithraic: bookmarking... oh, for rdc.
[15:08] <mithraic> Well, for VNC, but yeah.
[15:08] <jhutchins_wk> !info rdesktop
[15:08] <ubotwo> rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0-2 (gutsy), package size 118 kB, installed size 440 kB (Only available for None)
[15:21] <CorporateMusk> I'm using a vodafone 3g / gprs modem on 7.10 using wvdial to connect.  I'm wondering if there is a way to force gprs only or 3G only.  I can do this on the mac and windows with their GUI's, but I'm not sure how to do it on linux.
[15:26] <adz21c> CorporateMusk: if u don't get a response I would try and find the irc channel or forum for wvdial, they should be able to help cos it seems no one here knows ... or atleast no one who is pay attention :-)
[15:28] <pighunt_> Hello all..  I am using kubuntu 7.10 and there is a kernel update for it.  What is the best way to do the upgrade? Just through adept manager like normal or is there a better way?
[15:29] <flipstar> pighunt_: just like usual..but if you want to use the new kernel you need to reboot
[15:29] <CorporateMusk> adz21c: yeah, your probably right.  I have other wvdial q's as well
[15:29] <pighunt_> cheers
[15:36] <tekstacy> !apt-fix
[15:36] <ubotwo> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:37] <tekstacy> thx ubotwo
[15:38] <flipstar> how can i prevent a user from being able to shut down or restart the computer ?
[15:40] <NickPresta> flipstar, not allow them to execute /sbin/shutdown or /sbin/reboot?
[15:41] <Idrogeno> which they can't by default
[15:41] <Idrogeno> you have to configure kdm
[15:41] <Idrogeno> to disallow it there though
[15:41] <Idrogeno> as kdm runs as root by default
[15:42] <babalo> hello...I have suse 10.1 and xp...I wanna install kubuntu gutsy instead of suse....would that be easy?
[15:42] <flipstar> NickPresta: yes..for an single user..even kmenu-->shutdown..?
[15:45] <flipstar> babalo: i think so
[15:46] <babalo> will it give me the option to delete suse flipstar?
[15:46] <flipstar> yes you can install it on the suse partition..then at the end grub should detect win
[15:48] <babalo> ok ty
[15:55] <ForgeAus> !puregnome
[15:55] <ubotwo> If you want to remove all !KDE packages and have a default !Ubuntu system follow the instructions here << http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome >>
[16:03] <BluesKaj> babalo, download and burn kubuntu. Then running the live cd you will have the install option , the partitioner will detect the linux partition and you just tell it to install kubuntu on that partition and suse is history :)
[16:03] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: remember me asking about all the fun stuff involved in installing windows after ubuntu?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, yes ?
[16:04] <Daisuke_Ido> turns out the in-laws decided they didn't want windows again after all :)
[16:04] <babalo> blueskaj :) I will do that
[16:04] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry to waste your time :D
[16:04] <babalo> I have suse 10.1 I like it...but its getting old lol
[16:05] <BluesKaj> don't be sorry, Daisuke_Ido, i'm sure others learned something from our conversation :)
[16:05] <flipstar> babalo: 10.3 already is out as far as i know ..
[16:06] <Daisuke_Ido> they see their pc in terms of applications, and since those applications are mainly a browser and several IM clients, and since i explained that viruses aren't an issue, they're now using a pure ubuntu machine
[16:06] <BluesKaj> I had suse10.1 babalo , you'll like the repository system that kubuntu uses for retrieving packages
[16:06] <babalo> yes its out flipstar
[16:07] <babalo> I feel like changing ....going kubuntu :)
[16:08] <flipstar> good decision :)
[16:08] <aantn> hello
[16:08] <aantn> are the kde 4 packages in gutsy updated anymore?
[16:08]  * aantn isn't sure what the update policy is for these things
[16:08] <Jucato> !kde4 > aantn
[16:08] <Jucato> check the message the bot sent you
[16:09] <babalo> gutsy is stable?
[16:09] <aantn> babalo: yes
[16:09] <Jucato> er.. for the past um... 5 months
[16:09] <CorporateMusk> babalo: for sure
[16:09] <aantn> Jucato: arr... that doesn't work
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, then ubuntu is a bonus for them in terms of internet safety , cool :)
[16:10] <aantn> I'm on ppc
[16:10] <aantn> I suppose I could rebuild from source...
[16:10] <Jucato> aantn: um... PPC hasn't been officially supported for quite a while. but try asking in #kubuntu-kde4 nonetheless
[16:11]  * aantn is trying to remember the command to automatically download, build, and install source packages
[16:13] <patty> www.stateofmaine.gov
[16:14] <Jucato> pfft.. to fast
[16:14] <llutz> aantn: apt-build?
[16:14] <aantn> llutz: yeah, I already remembered :)
[16:15] <aantn> er... I mean apt-get source -b
[16:15] <CorporateMusk> aantn: if your on ppc, why don't you want OS X
[16:15] <CorporateMusk> just curios
[16:15] <aantn> CorporateMusk: same reasons that you don't want windows on i386
[16:17] <CorporateMusk> aantn: tell you the truth, I love OS X on my ppc, but I hat windows on my i386
[16:17] <aantn> CorporateMusk: hmm...
[16:17] <aantn> it's nothing against os x
[16:17] <aantn> I like the freedom linux provides
[16:18] <aantn> (even if my wireless doesn't work) :-D
[16:18] <CorporateMusk> aantn: I agree with that, I was just curios
[16:18] <drayen> CorporateMusk: did you see KDE4 will support OSX widgets ?
[16:18] <aantn> CorporateMusk: what do you think are the advantages of os x?
[16:18] <CorporateMusk> Pro Tools
[16:18] <drayen> aantn: its slick
[16:19] <drayen> aantn: dedicated hardware
[16:19] <Jucato> um.. can we please move the OS X discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic ? thanks
[16:19] <drayen> Jucato: sorry
[16:19] <Jucato> np
[16:20] <asobi> anyone familiar with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/120811 ?
[16:20] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 120811 in firefox "firefox displays fonts smaller than it should have" [Undecided,Fix released]
[16:28] <derdui_> Hi, is anybody able to help me? I have problems with cups, I cant add a pronter, because my computer doesnt accept my username and/or password...... yesterday i had problems to connect with localhost:631
[16:28] <derdui_> *printer
[16:29] <derdui_> i have allready reinstall cups
[16:30] <Jucato> have you tried adding the printer through System Settings -> Printers?
[16:31] <derdui_> no, via cups on the browser.... with the assisten i crash cups, so i have to restart it everytime i try it via kde
[16:31] <CorporateMusk> derdui_: through the System Settings -> Printers, you can also allow or deny access to localhost:631
[16:32] <derdui_> where can i set this?
[16:33] <Jucato> Add printer?
[16:33] <derdui_> oki, i youse the port 631
[16:33] <derdui_> *use
[16:34] <CorporateMusk> derdui_: I don't rember the wording, something like allow remote administration
[16:34] <CorporateMusk> I thinks
[16:38] <planlos> .
[16:38] <derdui_> ok, the printer is listet in cups... but it doesnt work..... i see that i have given the order to print a testpage.... but the printer doesnt react....
[16:41] <CorporateMusk> derdui_: what printer are you using?
[16:41] <derdui_> canon ip2200
[16:41] <CorporateMusk> derdui_: I had a problem that sounded similar with a brother printer, and needed to update the cups driver before it would work
[16:42] <CorporateMusk> I don't know about the cannon
[16:42] <derdui_> well i did reinstalled it yesterday
[16:42] <CorporateMusk> have you checked the cannon support site for an updated driver?
[16:43] <derdui_> it is the newest driver
[16:43] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, i now have discovered my biggest pet peeve
[16:43] <derdui_> and yersterday a guy in a german chat said it is right installed
[16:43] <Daisuke_Ido> why can't kubuntu decide on using /media/* or media:/*
[16:44] <Daisuke_Ido> k9copy won't allow media:/ :\
[16:44] <allyourrejects> Daisuke_Ido: there is a difference.  media:/  is kde kio slave
[16:44] <Daisuke_Ido> allyourrejects: i'm aware of that, thanks
[16:44] <Jucato> k9copy? that'd be weird, considering it's a KDE app..
[16:44] <Jucato> oh well
[16:44] <Daisuke_Ido> but when kde apps can't recognize kioslaves...
[16:44] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[16:45] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: anyway /media by default was reverted to media:/ because it introduced more problems than it solved
[16:45] <Jucato> but media:/'s dead in KDE 4 anyway, so no worries
[16:45] <allyourrejects> that is odd. but, its not actually part of kde, so maybe k9copy author didn't include kio slave
[16:45] <CorporateMusk> derdui_: sorry, I don't know what else to suggest
[16:45] <Daisuke_Ido> not a huge issue, i just have to do things manually, but enough of a peeve :)
[16:46] <Jucato> allyourrejects: KIO is something inside kdelibs. any KDE app (theoretically) supports it, by virtue of using kdelibs
[16:46] <allyourrejects> Jucato: *if* author used that part of kdelibs
[16:47] <Daisuke_Ido> the error it throws is that "only local files are supported"
[16:47] <karthikp> I for one miss the media:/ kioslave...
[16:47] <Jucato> as long as you're in KDE 3, it's there
[16:47] <Daisuke_Ido> as long as i can keep my audiocd:/ kioslave...
[16:48] <Jucato> that one is separate from kdelibs (kdemultimedia)(
[16:48] <Daisuke_Ido> once kde 4 is usable, i'll switch to it :)
[16:48] <drayen> Daisuke_Ido: any idea when thats gona happen
[16:48] <drayen> i'm gagging to use it
[16:48] <Jucato> Daisuke_Ido: the "only local files are supported" was a problem with kaffeine before (and is a problem with kchmviewer)
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> drayen: for some people, it's good now at 4.0.2
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> for me...  i'm waiting for 4.1
[16:49] <drayen> Daisuke_Ido: have you tried it?
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i find it lacking
[16:49] <karthikp> drayen: It's plenty usable now. I've switched over completely.
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> though the panel is resizable now
[16:49] <karthikp> Still need to run KDE3 apps aplenty, though.
[16:49] <drayen> Daisuke_Ido: i tried it back on 4.0.1 i think, was totally un-useable
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> karthikp: it's plenty usable now *for you*
[16:49] <Jucato> of course users have different criteria for "usable"
[16:50] <Jucato> so "try it and see for yourself" is the best advice that can be given for now
[16:50] <karthikp> But once you get through that part and fire up the secksy desktop fx, you'll be sold.
[16:50] <karthikp> :)
[16:50] <Jucato> (specially until KDE 4.1 comes out)
[16:50] <drayen> in my old age, i've found i'm less keen in the bleeding edge, and more just "wanting it to work"
[16:50] <Daisuke_Ido> drayen: same.  so i'm using gnome.
[16:50] <Tm_T> heh
[16:50] <Jucato> O.o
[16:50] <Tm_T> I'm happy with my KDEs
[16:50] <karthikp> Gnome? :(
[16:51] <JuJuBee> Can I sudo chmod -R o-r /home/username  without breaking my system?  (also o-w & o-x) I am worried about system/config files in a users home dirs.
[16:51] <Daisuke_Ido> karthikp: yes.  is there a problem?
[16:51] <karthikp> Tm_T: Me, too.
[16:51] <drayen> Daisuke_Ido: heh, i'm happily using KDE...
[16:51] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a matter of whatever works for you
[16:51] <drayen> Daisuke_Ido: very true
[16:51] <karthikp> Sigh, for one, this channel would be frequented by KDE people more than gnome people, see?
[16:51] <karthikp> Daisuke_Ido: agree.
[16:51] <Daisuke_Ido> karthikp: i can't be here because i'm not using kde exclusively?
[16:52] <karthikp> Not really. I was just surprised. :P
[16:52] <Tm_T> karthikp: nownow
[16:52] <Daisuke_Ido> lord forbid, i'll just step right out and go back with my own kind :)
[16:52] <karthikp> You're welcome here. :)
[16:52] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: haha, I could hug you
[16:52]  * Jucato could hug him to death
[16:52] <Tm_T> hmm, no I couldn't
[16:53] <Jucato> (and him being a GNOME user, that's very easy to "accidentally" do :P)
[16:53] <Jucato> j/k... goodnight
[16:53] <karthikp> Jucato: hehe
[16:53] <JuJuBee> Is it ok if the user has rwx------ on all files/folders in his/her home dir? (Except public_html)?
[16:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm here because i started on kde, and switched to gnome much later because i don't feel the need to tweak things all that much
[16:54] <karthikp> Tweaking is good. So, I'm all for KDE...
[16:55]  * karthikp feels happy that I have not one but two k's in his name...
[16:55] <karthikp> Damn. A mixture of first and third person speech.
[16:55] <karthikp> Caesar be damned.
[17:02] <marco__> hi
[17:26] <Vermux> how much space kubuntu needs for installation?
[17:26] <selckin> few gigs should do
[17:26] <Odd-rationale> Vermux: ~ 3gb
[17:27] <flipstar> about 5gig when running a while
[17:27] <selckin> mine is using 3.1 atm
[17:27] <icewaterman> can someone please paste me his output of this command: find /etc/rc*.d/ -name "*hdparm"
[17:27] <selckin> nottin
[17:27] <icewaterman> selckin: do you have hdparm installed
[17:28] <icewaterman> ?
[17:28] <Vermux> can partitions be expended after installation?
[17:28] <Odd-rationale> Vermux: Yes
[17:28] <icewaterman> selckin: dpkg -l hdparm
[17:28] <Vermux> ok
[17:28] <selckin> yup
[17:28] <icewaterman> hmm
[17:28] <flipstar> icewaterman: hdparm is installed by default i guess
[17:28] <joseph> !virtualbox
[17:28] <Odd-rationale> Vermux: You will need to unmount the partitons though. so a livecd is needed.
[17:28] <ubotwo> virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[17:28] <icewaterman> flipstar: ok, but why isnt it executed via init?
[17:30] <flipstar> icewaterman: "DESCRIPTION        hdparm  provides  a command line interface to various hard disk ioctls [...]
[17:33] <icewaterman> flipstar: yes, but the stuff i entered in /etc/hdparm.conf should be setup, right?
[17:33] <flipstar> sure
[17:33] <icewaterman> flipstar: how if not via init?
[17:34] <flipstar> when you run it from konsole ..
[17:35] <icewaterman> dme
[17:35] <icewaterman> wrong console
[17:35] <icewaterman> bbl
[17:45] <alucardromero> Wha't's the command to query hard drive space? I'm lost a bit.
[17:45] <genii> df -h
[17:46] <alucardromero> Thank you. :)
[17:46] <genii> alucardromero: np
[17:54] <RedLizard> on kubuntu 7.10, without compiz installed, using an old nvidia GF3 graphics card, glxgears crashes (core dumped) after several seconds of displaying a black window. it does not mention any other error messages. any ideas on how to resolve this?
[17:56] <trappist> RedLizard: does that count as a "legacy" nvidia card?  isn't that a different set of drivers?
[17:56] <Tm_T> it is
[17:57] <trappist> RedLizard: also, are you maybe on 64bit kubuntu?
[17:57] <RedLizard> trappist: it should be in the normal 'nvidia' package, as opposed to 'legacy' or 'new'
[17:57] <RedLizard> trappist: no, 32 bit
[17:57] <trappist> RedLizard: does 'glxinfo' crash on you?
[17:57] <RedLizard> trappist: no
[17:58] <ForgeAus> hehe it would on me
[17:58] <trappist> does it report that direct rendering is "on"?
[17:58] <RedLizard> trappist: also, glxgears managed to actually render frames once, when i started it just after logging in
[17:58] <ForgeAus> what package is glxgears in?
[17:59] <RedLizard> trappist: and yes, direct rendering is on
[17:59] <RedLizard> ForgeAus: i don't know
[18:00] <trappist> mesa-utils
[18:00] <bentob0x> any way to make krfb going through ssh?
[18:00] <ForgeAus> thanx :)
[18:00] <bentob0x> unless there is a better solution maybe?
[18:01] <trappist> ForgeAus: anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
[18:01] <ForgeAus> wow it worked!
[18:01] <trappist> err that question was for RedLizard
[18:01] <ForgeAus> how come glxgears works under AndLinux! it should be crashing like crazy!
[18:01]  * trappist tries that
[18:02] <trappist> ForgeAus: probably does software rendering
[18:02] <RedLizard> trappist: lots
[18:02] <RedLizard> trappist: pastebinning, sec
[18:02] <ForgeAus> I guess
[18:02] <trappist> ForgeAus: works here too :)
[18:03] <ForgeAus>  hehe told me I have a fatal error, hmm but I think that was from me pressing the close button :)
[18:03] <ForgeAus> trappist what are you using?
[18:03] <trappist> yeah I got that too
[18:03] <bobesponja> hi
[18:03] <RedLizard> trappist:  http://rafb.net/p/36c7Wv60.html
[18:03] <trappist> ForgeAus: you mean what version, or what?
[18:03] <ForgeAus> XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server "192.168.11.1:0.0"
[18:03] <ForgeAus>       after 157724 requests (137825 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[18:03] <ForgeAus> what OS ?
[18:04] <RedLizard> trappist: it doesn't look like there's anything interesting there though
[18:05] <trappist> RedLizard: no, it doesn't
[18:05] <trappist> ForgeAus: andLinux on XP
[18:05] <ForgeAus> same
[18:05] <ForgeAus> I have a site for you if your interested
[18:05] <trappist> sure
[18:06] <trappist> RedLizard: what about /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:06] <trappist> or dmesg
[18:06] <bobesponja> how do I install "monitor and display" module in module settings? it says the module is not install
[18:06] <ForgeAus> http://forgeaus.wordpress.com
[18:06] <ForgeAus> I just made it today :)
[18:06] <ForgeAus> I'm also toying with Interix3.5
[18:07] <trappist> weird, suddenly I can't paste into firefox
[18:07] <ForgeAus> its one way to circumvent the * what you don't get is a KDE desktop (because you already have one)
[18:08] <ForgeAus> also theres a channel #AndLinux
[18:08] <trappist> ForgeAus: how do you have transparent window decorations
[18:08] <ForgeAus> it should tell you in the blog
[18:08] <ForgeAus> theres a note
[18:09] <RedLizard> trappist: weird: http://rafb.net/p/1OhXbs39.html
[18:09] <trappist> got it, cool
[18:09] <RedLizard> trappist: the last 4 lines are interesting
[18:09] <ForgeAus> its not aero but its nice enough :)
[18:09] <ForgeAus> besides I don't like the blurr
[18:09] <ScorpKing> i get blank message boxes in open office. ie, when i want to export as pdf i can't see the text on the box that comes up. does anyone know how to fix that?
[18:09] <RedLizard> trappist: error recovery failed, appearantly, but i don't see a reason why errors should be recovered
[18:10] <ForgeAus> I don't think I need StylerXP anymore
[18:10] <trappist> RedLizard: looks like maybe you have a bad modeline in your xorg.conf
[18:11] <ForgeAus> I couldn't find AndLinux's xorg.conf if it has one
[18:12] <Z0E> i just installed kde4 and now my wireless wont work, my wireless network shows up in the network settings box but after i select it i still cant get a connection what should i do?
[18:12] <RedLizard> trappist: ah yes, now i remember, someone did some hacking there
[18:12] <ForgeAus> konsole does tend to give me a few of this error tho: QInputContext: no input method context available
[18:12] <RedLizard> trappist: let me try that solution angle
[18:12] <ForgeAus> Z0E good question, I have no idea
[18:13] <Z0E> haha
[18:13] <trappist> Z0E: see if 'sudo dhclient <devicename>' gets you anywhere
[18:14] <bobesponja> how do I install "monitor and display" module in module settings? it says the module is not install
[18:15] <Z0E> so what am i suppose to be looking for trappist?
[18:16] <trappist> bobesponja: try,
[18:16] <trappist> oops
[18:16] <ForgeAus> trappist I can't seem to use fluxbox oddly enough AndLinux doesn't even use kwin!
[18:16] <trappist> bobesponja: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde-guidance
[18:17] <trappist> ForgeAus: yeah it looks like it uses native win32 primitives for window decoration, maybe flux doesn't like that
[18:17] <siddharth_> any one here?
[18:17] <siddharth_> to help
[18:17] <trappist> !ask
[18:17] <ubotwo> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[18:17] <siddharth_> am new bie! to kubuntu
[18:18] <siddharth_> how to play .dat file and avi video in kubuntu
[18:18] <siddharth_> why wine freezes my system?
[18:19] <ForgeAus> Trappist oddly enough it uses kde window decorators under that
[18:19] <trappist> siddharth_: .dat doesn't tell you much about the filetype.  try "file filename.dat" and see if it says anything besides "data"
[18:19] <ForgeAus> (when I was running it with TrueTransparency I could see them :)
[18:19] <ForgeAus> the Xming just normally hides them I guess
[18:19] <trappist> ForgeAus: wonder how it does that without kwin
[18:19] <schemacs> How can I change the default location of the Desktop folder in kubuntu?
[18:19] <schemacs> I looked @ the tut on ubuntuforums but it sucks and doesn't work right.
[18:19] <ForgeAus> I guess kwin isn't responsible for the decorations ??
[18:20] <schemacs> I'm trying to remember the name of the default kde settings manager.
[18:20] <siddharth_> how to play avi video file?
[18:20] <ForgeAus> either that or the native windows one is enough for it too?
[18:20] <ForgeAus> kcontrol ?
[18:20] <schemacs> Yes thats it thanks! :)
[18:21] <BluesKaj> right click on the video file and choopse open with multimedia then choose kaffeine
[18:21] <siddharth_> i cant play movie and windows seems to be good here but i still like linux and will do anthing to learn it!
[18:21] <flipstar> siddharth_: see above
[18:21] <ForgeAus> Linux is good too :)
[18:22] <siddharth_> blueskaj it says ''no pluggins to handle this!
[18:22] <flipstar> then try installing libxine1-ffmpeg first
[18:22] <siddharth_> wats that?? a plugin?
[18:22] <trappist> see what kind of video it is first... the .dat extension makes me skeptical
[18:23] <schemacs> Kubuntus settings manager sucks. I think that it should be the origional kcontrol instead. IMHO
[18:23] <siddharth_> its dat oofcouse!!!!!!!!!!
[18:23] <siddharth_> .dat!
[18:23] <siddharth_> will i be able to use kubuntu as easy as windows xp?
[18:24] <flipstar> siddharth_: open adept and type libxine1-ffmpeg in the searchbar
[18:24] <schemacs> I know one thing. Kubuntu is easier to use than Windows Vista.
[18:24] <siddharth_> i have been searching codes commands softwares and many articles to learrn kubuntu@!!
[18:24] <siddharth_> still didnt got much success!
[18:24] <schemacs> siddharth what are you trying to do again?
[18:25] <siddharth_> just learning unix man!@schemas
[18:25] <flipstar> btw .dat is an video file in vcd afaik
[18:26] <siddharth_> yaa
[18:26] <RedLizard> trappist: i fixed it, thanks
[18:26] <siddharth_> but how to play it?
[18:26] <flipstar> right click on the video file and choopse open with multimedia then choose kaffeine
[18:26] <schemacs> I like the console, and I'm trying to learn GUI's. It's like backwards I guess.
[18:26] <trappist> RedLizard: it was an xorg.conf issue?
[18:27] <siddharth_> i have learned sudo and su -
[18:27] <schemacs> Anyone know how to make the desktop selection box dotted lines instead of blue?
[18:27] <siddharth_> it is my first achievement!
[18:27] <PhilRod> siddharth_: of your life? ;-)
[18:27] <trappist> schemacs: it's recollection vs. recognition.  in the console you have to recall what to type.  in a gui you just have to recognize what to click on.
[18:28] <RedLizard> trappist: yes
[18:28] <schemacs> trappist: :)
[18:29] <schemacs> I do use ed a lot. I use ed 50% of the time for small tasks. Emacs for 25% of hacking. and nvi for the rest.
[18:29] <siddharth_> phil rod!! no.......
[18:29] <cuznt> nvi?
[18:29] <siddharth_> first good achievment waswen i kissed my gf!
[18:30]  * cuznt drops randomly by
[18:30] <schemacs> Anyway, anyone know how to change the desktop selection box to be dotted lines instead of a blue box.
[18:30] <trappist> cuznt: reimplementation of ye olde vi
[18:30] <siddharth_> how to register the nick name?!!
[18:30] <genii> !register | siddharth_
[18:31] <gundam_rx78nt1> what do I need to install to get mkv (matroska) video playback?  Oh where are my manners... Hi everybody!
[18:32] <trappist> gundam_rx78nt1: apt-cache search matroska
[18:32] <siddharth_> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:33] <flipstar> gundam_rx78nt1: works with libxine1-ffmpeg and kaffeine for example or vlc
[18:33] <schemacs> I hate GUI's
[18:33] <BluesKaj> !mkv
[18:33] <siddharth_> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:33] <siddharth_> fix it!
[18:34] <trappist> schemacs: I like em.  they're great containers for console windows :)
[18:34] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[18:34] <flipstar> schemacs: --> tty1
[18:34] <ScorpKing> !aptfix
[18:34] <flipstar> siddharth_: just use sudo or kdesu
[18:34] <trappist> did we lose the bot?
[18:34] <schemacs> flipstar: thank you. :)
[18:34] <schemacs> tty4
[18:35] <siddharth_> fixed! will post this question along with answer@
[18:35] <flipstar> !lag
[18:36] <BluesKaj> siddharth_, in the terminal : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock , then : sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:36] <flipstar> wow the bot left 20minutes ago
[18:36] <trappist> flipstar: he's here and responding to pmsg
[18:36] <siddharth_> please help with your text! ''should i over ride difficulties and learn linux-kubuntu-unix or get back to billgates!? <xp!>
[18:36] <flipstar> ubotwo not..
[18:37] <siddharth_> thk u blues
[18:37] <BluesKaj> YW
[18:38] <trappist> hey, jucato banned the bot
[18:39] <trappist> !bot
[18:39] <trappist> hrm.
[18:39] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[18:39] <trappist> yay!
[18:39]  * trappist flexes
[18:39] <siddharth_> please help with your text! ''should i over ride difficulties and learn linux-kubuntu-unix or get back to billgates!? <xp!>
[18:39] <siddharth_> please help with your text! ''should i over ride difficulties and learn linux-kubuntu-unix or get back to billgates!? <xp!>
[18:40] <BluesKaj> siddharth_, pls don't flood with repeats
[18:40] <siddharth_> soryy all
[18:40] <RedLizard> trappist: hm, appearantly, the problem is still not solved
[18:41] <mithraic> Well, it turns out that Krdc's VNC viewer is much, much slower in KDE4 than KDE3.
[18:41] <trappist> RedLizard: the important thing is, the bot is back
[18:41] <mithraic> Actually, even running the KDE3 Krdc under a KDE4 desktop is much slower.
[18:41] <siddharth_> mith wats dat?
[18:41] <mithraic> Guess my video card just isn't up to KDE4, or maybe the drawing routines still need to be optimized.
[18:42] <siddharth_>  Setting up libxine1-ffmpeg (1.1.7-1ubuntu1) ...
[18:42] <siddharth_> [00:11] <siddharth_> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[18:42] <siddharth_> [00:11] <siddharth_> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[18:42] <siddharth_> [00:11] <siddharth_> wat to do nw
[18:42] <trappist> mithraic: or maybe you have some runaway process eating your cpu cycles
[18:42] <siddharth_> sorry
[18:42] <trappist> siddharth_: please don't paste here.
[18:42] <RedLizard> trappist: without the xorg.conf hacks, X will only start in a single mode (1152x768); ogl applications will run fine in this mode, but as soon as i change to a different resolution (or run a full-screen game, which does the same) ogl starts crashing again
[18:42] <siddharth_> sorry
[18:42] <BluesKaj> !paste
[18:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[18:43] <voicu> siddharth: what do you want to do?
[18:43] <mithraic> trappist: don't think so; when I log into a KDE3 desktop, the KDE3 version of Krdc is fast; the KDE4 version is godawful slow.
[18:43] <trappist> RedLizard: it sounds like you just need to find the right modeline for the resolution you want
[18:43] <mithraic> I haven't tried running TightVNC under a KDE4 desktop though; perhaps that will be okay.
[18:43] <RedLizard> trappist: but they should be autodetected
[18:44] <trappist> RedLizard: that's not as reliable (yet) as we'd like it to be
[18:44] <RedLizard> trappist: the Xorg.0.log i posted shows that the graphics card is rejecting the already detected modelines
[18:44] <trappist> yeah that's what it looks like
[18:44] <RedLizard> trappist: also, this card used to work fine on an older version of kubuntu, before i reinstalled
[18:44] <siddharth_> thank you friends now am able to play .dat files in kubuntu for the first time!
[18:46] <ForgeAus> trappist are you still there?
[18:46] <ForgeAus> what did you think about my blog?
[18:46] <ForgeAus> interesting?
[18:46] <ForgeAus> did you try it?
[18:47] <siddharth_> is it neccesary ti intsall via k8m800 drivers?
[18:48] <schemacs> I still can't figure out this desktop selection box stuff. Anyone care to help?
[18:48] <schemacs> I want dotted lines, instead of a blue translucent box.
[18:50] <trappist> ForgeAus: I mostly just keep windows around at work for Outlook, and I installed andLinux because I thought it was cool, but I'm reluctant to start going nuts with it - but your blog was definitely interesting
[18:50] <trappist> schemacs: I don't think that's configurable
[18:50] <siddharth_> how to install any software wdt net?
[18:51] <schemacs> trappist: hm..., Is there a file I can edit?
[18:51] <trappist> schemacs: if so it's probably a .cpp file :)
[18:51] <siddharth_> in kubuntu with cd or any other folder how can i install a package?
[18:51] <eddieftw> siddharth_: sudo apt-get install (packagename)
[18:52] <schemacs> How un-unix like! :(
[18:52] <schemacs> I want an ascii file to edit.
[18:52] <trappist> schemacs: I don't think so - if I was writing a window manager it probably wouldn't cross my mind that somebody would want to configure that
[18:52] <siddharth_> eddie ,, i mean without internet ... apt-get requires the net connection
[18:53] <trappist> and if it did, I probably wouldn't find it important enough to write a config interface for it
[18:53] <flipstar> are there good gui's for mencoder ?
[18:53] <trappist> siddharth_: only if your sources are on the internet - if /etc/apt/sources.list still points at your cd, it'll use the cd
[18:53] <trappist> flipstar: I don't think there are any at all, but there are several good transcoding UIs that don't use mencoder
[18:54] <siddharth_> flipstar how to install package from a folder or flash drive
[18:54] <nova> salut
[18:54] <voicu> trappist: there has to be such an option. some distributions have the translucent rectangle, some don't. i don't think they start tuning the window manager from the source
[18:54] <trappist> siddharth_: that's not recommended
[18:54] <schemacs> trappist: I might as well use gnome then.
[18:54] <nova> french user here?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> !apt | siddharth_
[18:54] <trappist> schemacs: do you have compiz enabled?
[18:55] <flipstar> bot has hardcore lags
[18:55] <voicu> siddharth_: you have to get used to updating from the net or get the dvd and you probably won't need to download any more stuff (unless you update)
[18:55] <schemacs> trappist: No I do not. I don't need special effects.
[18:55] <noon> hi there, anyone knows how i can manually remove an application that i compiled and installed?
[18:55] <voicu> schemacs: just go "xor box on kde" on google or something :P
[18:55] <flipstar> noon: do you still have the sources ?
[18:56] <noon> doesnt show under synaptic naturally :s
[18:56] <noon> i can get them again
[18:56] <trappist> schemacs: just wondering because I think compiz hijacks that functionality and draws the box its own way
[18:56] <trappist> noon: it might come with a "make uninstall"
[18:56] <intelikey> how can one tell which server on a lan he is using to access the inet ?
[18:56] <trappist> noon: but you'd have to run ./configure with the same options you used to install it
[18:56] <flipstar> right but dont know if this works with new sources
[18:57] <siddharth_> sudo uninstall package name
[18:57] <siddharth_> noon
[18:57] <trappist> intelikey: look up the default gateway from a box that can access the 'net
[18:57] <noon> aaaah
[18:57] <BluesKaj> noon, go to the directory where you compiled it and look for the uninstall file first, then in the terminal cd to the dir and run ./uninstall
[18:57] <trappist> intelikey: route -n on linux, route print on windows
[18:57] <intelikey> i mean i could cause it to eject and go look at all the server and see which one has it's tongue sticking out,  but....
[18:57] <intelikey> trappist it's 192.168.0.1  but that could be any number of boxes
[18:58] <siddharth_> !!
[18:58] <noon> well i kinda removed everything as soon as i thought it was working
[18:58] <trappist> intelikey: you want to find a physical machine by ip?
[18:58] <noon> actually it wasnt
[18:58] <schemacs> trappist: changing the kde style can change the selection box.
[18:58] <noon> thanks for answers, im gonna try to recover all that :)
[18:58] <trappist> schemacs: ah nice
[18:59] <intelikey> is there a way to identify the box by hostname rather than ip ?
[18:59] <trappist> intelikey: that depends on a lot of variables
[18:59] <trappist> intelikey: if you have access to dhcp logs, that might help
[19:00] <intelikey> not using dhcp
[19:00] <schemacs> Yes, I am still learning guis.
[19:00] <schemacs> I am used to typing
[19:00] <siddharth_> what to do if apt-get corrupts? reinsatll kubuntu ?
[19:00] <schemacs> siddharth: there are other options besides ubuntu.
[19:00] <intelikey> siddharth_ question is vague
[19:00] <trappist> intelikey: remind me why you're trying to track this box down?  is somebody sitting at it?
[19:01] <schemacs> I'm not the biggest fan of apt-get IMO
[19:01] <intelikey> trappist no.  it's not maned
[19:01] <intelikey> trappist i just wanted to know which cable i could work on without disconnecting things
[19:01] <nova> my A
[19:01] <siddharth_> well it happened once iwas not able to read packages i reinstalled kubuntu!
[19:02] <siddharth_> is there any easy way to solve this?
[19:02] <nova> my APT database couyld notbe opened! whatcan i have to do?
[19:02] <voicu> does anyone know a good registrar that's not a big evil corporation? :P
[19:02] <intelikey> siddharth_ solve what ?    pastebin the error
[19:02] <trappist> intelikey: you could pluck a cable and see if the box's link light goes out
[19:03] <trappist> voicu: afaik the only such registrars are proxies for big evil corporations
[19:03] <flipstar> siddharth_: you could try reinstalling apt-get using aptitude but how did you broke it ???
[19:03] <intelikey> heh   yeah i could.  :)    but i just thought that there might be a soft way to check it.
[19:03] <siddharth_> intelkey i mean apt-get crashed .. somethings like that error came i was not able to start it
[19:03] <intelikey> !adeptfix
[19:03] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix
[19:04] <intelikey> !wheres_the_bot
[19:04] <trappist> intelikey: oh, you want to not interrupt anything... like, see which machines have open internet connections?
[19:04] <voicu> siddharth_: you can try downloading the deb from packages.ubuntu.com and installing with dpkg -i <package.deb>
[19:04] <siddharth_> will this work in all the cases?
[19:04] <flipstar> "The bots are undergoing maintenance."
[19:04] <trappist> intelikey: if so, install and run 'iptraf' on the gateway machine (assuming it's linux)
[19:04] <intelikey> trappist yes not interrupt anything    but not concerned what box is doing what except finding the active gateway
[19:05] <voicu> any other suggestions on a registrar? (i'm not sure that's the name)
[19:05] <intelikey> iptraf you say... i'll look at it.
[19:05] <siddharth_> thanks for all your support
[19:05] <siddharth_>  here its 1 am ! good nyt everybody
[19:05] <trappist> intelikey: I don't think iptraf will help you do a physical-machine-by-IP lookup
[19:05] <intelikey> siddharth_ the answer is     sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:06] <intelikey> trappist ok.    hmmm i guess i can take the time to get the mac addresses of all the servers and make a record ffr.
[19:06] <trappist> intelikey: maybe looking for a box with at least 2 cat5 cables hanging off it will help
[19:07] <noon> trappist: thanks a lot dude, worked out well
[19:07] <noon> now i can compile again :D
[19:07] <siddharth_> am from india .... here we have only windows solutions
[19:07] <trappist> noon: good deal :)
[19:08] <siddharth_> good nyt intelli , noon./trappist and all
[19:08] <trappist> nighty-night siddharth_
[19:08] <flipstar> any hints on encoding 1080p to 720p ?
[19:08] <intelikey> trappist heh i know which ones are servers, just not which is actually handeling the traffic atm   but i'll do a physical ident with the eject command  and find it.
[19:09] <flipstar> intelikey: vnstat shows you the traffic on a single machine ..
[19:10] <noon> gn siddharth_
[19:10] <trappist> intelikey: usually servers I work with just have one nic in use, but the gateway has one for the internal network and one for the intarwebs
[19:10] <trappist> root________: don't irc as root
[19:12] <BluesKaj> that root________ with undescore nick should be banned ...terribly annoying IMO
[19:12] <voicu> lol, 6 of them
[19:12] <trappist> BluesKaj: I'm pretty sure the client tries root, finds it taken, tries root_, etc., until it gets to root_____________________...
[19:12] <noon> hrhr
[19:13] <BluesKaj> keeps coming in and out but rarely communicates
[19:13] <voicu> well yeah, hence the 6 root__ nicks
[19:13] <flipstar> clients should be more creative :=)
[19:13] <voicu> i wonder who's the real root :D
[19:13] <BluesKaj> yeah , i'm aware of that trappist, that
[19:13] <voicu> yeah, they should start l33ting the nick
[19:13] <intelikey> ok found it.
[19:13] <voicu> you get enough permutations from that
[19:13] <trappist> if I write an irc client it'll do s/root/bigcheese/
[19:13] <BluesKaj> ''s why i find it annoying , cuz i'm sure he knows better
[19:14] <trappist> BluesKaj: I'm not so sure he does, or he wouldn't be irc'ing as root :)
[19:14] <intelikey>   now one more Q   how to make a link that points to every users home ?
[19:14] <trappist> intelikey: eh?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> he thinks the underscore is protecting him
[19:14] <intelikey> ln -s blah '~/something'
[19:14] <trappist> it might take time, but I bet I can hack through those underscores
[19:15] <trappist> intelikey: you can't
[19:15] <intelikey> trappist  why not   /dev/fd does
[19:15] <BluesKaj> hehe , go for it trappist
[19:15] <trappist> intelikey: links are at the filesystem level, so they aren't aware of shell expansions like ~
[19:16] <intelikey> and procfs is not static  so it can do that ?
[19:17] <trappist> intelikey: yeah if there was a proc interface for that you could... and I don't see why that couldn't be done, but you'd have to hack on the kernel
[19:17] <Megabyte> yo
[19:18] <intelikey> can't use /proc/self in any way to do that i guess....
[19:18] <Megabyte> do the flash 9 and the java plugins work on amd64 yet?
[19:18] <trappist> Megabyte: I heard the java6 plugin does, but we're still waiting on flash
[19:18] <trappist> Megabyte: meanwhile, gotta run firefox in a 32bit chroot or use a similar solution
[19:19] <Megabyte> trappist: how easy is it to do that?
[19:19] <intelikey> this /dev/fd -> ../proc/self/fd is different for each user  but it's the /proc end of it that changes not the /dev/ end   so i guess .....    wait i have an idea.      at the shell level i'll set the path rather than using a symlink
[19:19] <trappist> intelikey: depending on what your goal is, you might be looking for /etc/skel
[19:20] <ubotu> siddharth_: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[19:20] <flipstar> !bot
[19:20] <trappist> Megabyte: not very, and IMO not really worth it.  after a couple of years of struggling with all the amd64 quirks I finally decided to go back to 32bit
[19:20] <trappist> !chroot
[19:20] <trappist> oh I forgot, the bot's lagged
[19:20] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wheres_the_bot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:21] <flipstar> 30minute lag right now oO
[19:21] <intelikey> trappist no.  i want a common .ssh/ to use individual .ssh/known_hosts     i can do that at the shell level   config ssh to use a user specific file for known_hosts
[19:21] <trappist> intelikey: yep, you can
[19:21] <Megabyte> trappist: thanks
[19:21] <Megabyte> trappist: I tried Linux Mint and it sucked
[19:22] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[19:22] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[19:22] <Megabyte> trappist: even the partitioner was very badly designed and I had to fix my mbr
[19:22] <Megabyte> trappist: I hope Kubuntu will fare better
[19:22] <trappist> Megabyte: never heard of it.  the chroot solution works fine, but it's a bit of a pain and it leaves you with other 64bit-specific issues to solve, so I threw in the towel
[19:22] <intelikey> yep and if this works correctly i will now have one usbkey that can be plugged into any box in the dmz and aford root access to that box + common access to all boxen
[19:22] <trappist> Megabyte: there, ubotu finally remembered the link to the 32bit chroot howto, if you're interested
[19:23] <trappist> intelikey: you using pam_usb for that?
[19:23] <Megabyte> trappist: thanks, but I'll stick to 32-bit[
[19:23] <Megabyte> even though I wanted 64-bit so badly
[19:24] <Megabyte> lol
[19:24] <intelikey> no.  it's not that sensitive really
[19:24] <trappist> Megabyte: good choice :)  unless you have like 8GB of ram there's probably no compelling reason to use 64bit on the desktop yet
[19:24] <intelikey> just an sshkey
[19:24] <trappist> intelikey: pam_usb is slick :)
[19:25] <intelikey> i'll have to have a good look at it then after i finish this up.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> Megabyte, the benefits of 64 bit speed (which is barely noticeable) are outweighed by the problems by a wide margin
[19:25] <trappist> intelikey: plug your key in at a login prompt and watch as it magically logs you in.  unplug and it logs you out.
[19:25] <intelikey> trappist have a link on setting one up ?
[19:25] <Megabyte> trappist: I sticked to slackware, but I was mostly bored with it
[19:25] <trappist> intelikey:
[19:26] <trappist> dangit, what's up with my paste...
[19:26] <trappist> intelikey: pamusb.org
[19:26] <intelikey> k ty
[19:26] <intelikey> i'll have  a look.
[19:26] <Megabyte> trappist: the cool part of slackware is that it doesn't have lots of graphical configuring tools, but what it does have does work
[19:26] <Megabyte> trappist: I'm annoyed about slackware's lack of tought on design
[19:26] <Megabyte> so I'm trying Kubuntu
[19:27] <Megabyte> trappist: Does Kubuntu come with the default nice-looking fonts?
[19:27] <malro> hwy
[19:27] <intelikey> Megabyte ;/
[19:27] <malro> hey
[19:27] <malro> ho do i do compz-fusion?
[19:27] <Megabyte> intelikey: hi
[19:27] <trappist> Megabyte: never tried slackware, but from what I hear it's not really my kinda distro.  imo distros that are good for newbies are also good for pros, because they have tools to handle stuff that I could do the hard way, but I have more important things to do than e.g. spend all my time installing software.
[19:28] <malro> how do i do cube efects?
[19:28] <trappist> Megabyte: to the extent permitted by certain licensing issues, yeah, the fonts look pretty ok
[19:28] <malro> how do i do the cube efects
[19:28] <trappist> Megabyte: they can be improved post-install, too
[19:28] <trappist> !compiz | malro
[19:28] <ubotu> malro: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:28] <trappist> woah, that was fast
[19:28] <Megabyte> trappist: you're right. I want to save time. But Slackware's most weak point isn't the difficulty, unless you want to use japanese
[19:28] <Megabyte> trappist: Slackware's most weak point is the lack of polishing
[19:28] <Megabyte> IMHO
[19:29] <Megabyte> at least design polishing
[19:29] <Megabyte> everything looks vanilla
[19:29] <trappist> Megabyte: I don't need polish on a server :)  but then I do like good distro tools on a server
[19:29] <Megabyte> trappist: it does want to be vanilla, but I don't want to deal with vanilla design
[19:29] <Megabyte> trappist: What distro tools does Kubuntu have?
[19:30] <Megabyte> erm
[19:30] <intelikey> servers are all strawberry
[19:30] <Megabyte> server tools
[19:30] <Megabyte> I mean
[19:30] <trappist> Megabyte: well quite a few, can you narrow your query?
[19:30] <trappist> Megabyte: first one that comes to mind is apt, of course
[19:30] <Megabyte> trappist: Ok. What tools are you referring to when you say you do like good distro tools on a server?
[19:31] <trappist> nice init scripts so I don't have to use things like apachectl
[19:31] <Megabyte> trappist: sure. Slackware does come with checkinstall now and you can also get swaret / slapt-get
[19:31] <Megabyte> trappist: ok, good point
[19:31] <Megabyte> even though I don't use apache
[19:31] <Megabyte> but it's a good point for those who do need it
[19:31] <genii> trappist: The start-stop scripts for most things are in /etc/init.d/
[19:31] <trappist> Megabyte: same applies for like postfix etc.
[19:32] <trappist> genii: yeah I know :)
[19:32] <mithraic> I don't see a clicky-clicky option in KDesktop 3.x to to assign hotkeys for the multiple desktops. Is there a way?
[19:32]  * intelikey pours coffee for genii
[19:33] <Megabyte> trappist: What I didn't like on Linux Mint and I hope it won't happen on Kubuntu in the future is: do NOT include breaking software on stable OS versions
[19:33] <Megabyte> trappist: Mint's installer just sucks
[19:33] <genii> intelikey: Ah, thanks :)
[19:33]  * genii sips
[19:33] <Megabyte> I actually broke Linux Mint's CD
[19:34] <Megabyte> trappist: Did I mention the installer is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow?
[19:34] <eddieftw> !offtopic
[19:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:34] <trappist> Megabyte: well there's always a tradeoff between having new software and having stable software, and I think (k)ubuntu found a good medium.  regular 6 month release cycles, with a super-stable, long-term support release every coupla years.
[19:34] <Megabyte> trappist: I hope so :D
[19:34] <moope1> How do I set up scripts so I can double click on an Icon and execute them
[19:34] <Megabyte> trappist: Slackware's release cycle is now of 1 year, but if you want more current software you can get slackware-current
[19:35] <trappist> Megabyte: but unless you enable backports repositories and such, you won't find your software unexpectedly upgrading to new, incomptible, broken versions
[19:35] <intelikey> ok rerouted the cables there      much better!
[19:35] <Megabyte> I only had problems with -current two times, I think
[19:35] <intelikey> moope1 right click the desktop and creat a launcher    point it at the script   use the advanced options and have it run in konsole if needed.
[19:35] <Megabyte> trappist: you mean about Kubuntu?
[19:36] <trappist> Megabyte: ubuntu in general, yeah
[19:36] <Megabyte> sounds cool
[19:36] <intelikey> moope1 while you are configuring the launcher   set the icon
[19:37] <krabador> hey people, someone can help me to install http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/NuoveXT2-Theme?content=66685
[19:37] <intelikey> moope1 if you dont want it on the desktop  you can drag it to the taskbar
[19:37] <Megabyte> trappist: btw, how is Debian doing? I haven't heard of it for a while
[19:37] <trappist> Megabyte: once a version is "released" it's released - people like to whine about not having the new version of this or that, that just came out a coupla weeks ago, but once you install a release, the updates are bugfixes, seldom version upgrades.  the preferred approach is to apply a specific bugfix patch, rebuild, release the update
[19:37] <trappist> Megabyte: heh, afaik it's still going strong, but I haven't been paying attention for a while either
[19:38] <Megabyte> trappist: so (?)Ubuntu distros in general just release actual binary patches instead of replacing whole packages?
[19:39] <intelikey> Megabyte i think you misread that.
[19:40] <trappist> Megabyte: no, you get the whole package, but they don't (usually) upgrade the whole package to the fixed version - they patch the source to fix the relevant bug without breaking known-good functionality, rebuild, release the fixed package
[19:40] <trappist> Megabyte: like if they put out firefox 3 tomorrow, you won't see it in your apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:41] <Megabyte> intelikey: say, if I need a package and Kubuntu doesn't provide it, how easy it is to build my own package from source?
[19:41] <trappist> Megabyte: it's almost exactly as hard as it is with redhat, but quite a bit different.
[19:42] <Megabyte> trappist: it's hard even with checkinstall?
[19:42] <trappist> Megabyte: if you don't care about doing it right, you can always use checkinstall :)
[19:42] <Megabyte> trappist: great :D
[19:42] <trappist> but those of us who've been down that road have sworn off checkinstall
[19:42] <intelikey> pretty simple for most things.   there is always the occcasional source that is hard to build on any distro except the writers own modified system.
[19:43] <Megabyte> intelikey: true.
[19:43] <Megabyte> But I have to say, checkinstall is pretty handy when you need it
[19:43] <trappist> plus intelikey knows how to do it :)  the hard part isn't doing it, it's learning how
[19:43] <intelikey> !b-e | Megabyte just a common note on source building
[19:44] <Megabyte> intelikey: !b-e?
[19:44] <intelikey> bot call
[19:44] <intelikey> ubotu is just not answering me.
[19:44] <intelikey> !botsmack
[19:45] <Megabyte> intelikey: I was going to stick to pc-bsd, but there are things they insist on not fixing. Breaks my heart, because their project leader is always willing to listen
[19:45] <mithraic> So confirmed: Tightvnc, realvnc, etc. are all dog-slow under KDE 4, and not under KDE 3.
[19:46] <Megabyte> intelikey: pc-bsd has the pbi system, which is very interesting. But it should use it more.
[19:46] <intelikey> oh well the infonode tells you to look for ubuntu packages first and then if you need to compile be sure you have "build-essential" installed first.  and points you at a page with other useful info.
[19:46] <mithraic> Does KDE 4 use some kind of double-buffering or other trickery?
[19:46] <mithraic> And if so, is there any way I can turn it off?
[19:47] <intelikey> Megabyte hmmm i have actually never used *bsd
[19:47] <SSJ_GZ> mithraic: In Qt4, all widgets are double-buffered by default.
[19:47] <Megabyte> intelikey: FreeBSD itself is pretty interesting. Its documentation rocks.
[19:47] <SSJ_GZ> mithraic: I think there's an environment variable that disables it for newly started apps.  Hang on ...
[19:48] <intelikey> i would probably like it  from what i have heard,  but just never got around to trying it.
[19:48] <mithraic> I wouldn't think that just a fullscreen VNC display would really be rendering into a Qt widget, but I could be wrong.
[19:50] <intelikey> ok i'm out on last rounds,   see you fellows in a while.
[19:50] <Megabyte> intelikey: see you!
[19:54] <derdui_> Hi ive got a problem with cubs, everytime i whant to add a printer, cups doesnt accept my username and/or password
[19:58] <eddieftw> !grub
[19:58] <ubot3> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[20:00] <Regital> hey
[20:00] <Regital> anyone have the Samsung T10 mp3 player?
[20:00] <babalo> hi...something weird...I've installed kubuntu on my old pc...installation good... went for installing on the other pc.....disk corrupted ....weird
[20:00] <jhutchins_wk> babalo: Same media?
[20:01] <babalo> what you mean
[20:01] <ForgeAus> does kde4 backport to feisty?
[20:01] <genii> Likely crappy Mitsumi or Acer cd drive unit.
[20:02] <babalo> it didn't let me install the base
[20:02] <stdin> ForgeAus: no
[20:02] <ForgeAus> awww :(
[20:03] <ForgeAus> ok I'm goina have to wait for the ibex then
[20:03] <babalo> but why....I've installed it on the other pc
[20:03] <coggz> hi guys, need some help installing kubuntu on an older machine
[20:04] <MilitantPotato> !codecs > MilitantPotato
[20:04] <coggz> tried desktop installer, but not enough ram
[20:05] <coggz> using alternate, but having big problems
[20:07] <babalo> so I can't install kubuntu I guess
[20:07] <coggz> aha, OEM mode seems to work
[20:08] <coggz> whats your problem babalo
[20:08] <babalo> it says cd corrupted
[20:09] <Regital> how can i get the myspace music player to work... it jsut says ¨undefined¨
[20:09] <babalo> but I've installed it on the other pc...coggz
[20:09] <babalo> weird
[20:10] <schemacs> regital: do you have firefox or konqueror?
[20:10] <coggz> hmm,
[20:10] <Regital> konqueror
[20:11] <coggz> babalo: i am trying to install on my pc, although i already have it on my laptop
[20:12] <coggz> babalo: its rather annoying
[20:12] <schemacs> Regital try flash in firefox.
[20:12] <babalo> it is...I have it on the old pc...but not this one
[20:12] <Regital> ok
[20:12] <babalo> it won't let me install the base
[20:12] <coggz> babalo: hmm, will it install?
[20:13] <babalo> well...I don't think I can install it without the base
[20:15] <trappist> man how did I ever live without pam_usb
[20:16] <Regital> schemacs, thanks. it worked
[20:16] <schemacs> np
[20:16] <schemacs> Regital
[20:17] <Regital> ?
[20:17] <schemacs> Also you may want to eventually give gnash a try.
[20:17] <schemacs> If you want to compile from source.
[20:17] <babalo> is it normal to have 3 linux native partitions?
[20:17] <schemacs> It's not quite stable yet, but it's open source.
[20:17] <schemacs> Don't do gnash from synaptic though.
[20:18] <flipstar> im out
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> babalo: linux native?
[20:19] <DarkestHour> Babalo, you are talking about your /home, "root" and swap partitions right?
[20:19] <ForgeAus> bablo normal no but not so unusual either
[20:19] <ForgeAus> its not the number of partitions that counts, its what you use them for :)
[20:20] <ForgeAus> (and how big they are)
[20:20] <MilitantPotato> yep
[20:20] <babalo> I have hda 8 now
[20:20] <babalo> I don't think I had that many before I tried to install kubuntu
[20:20] <MilitantPotato> / /home  and swap is a good bare minimum
[20:21] <ForgeAus> babalo 1 + a swap partition is enough for Kubuntu
[20:21] <babalo> I got one call swap swap lol
[20:21] <babalo> yes forgeaus but it won't let me install
[20:22] <ForgeAus> no need in having 2 swap partitions, generally additional partitions are for sharing with another operating system with a common filesystem
[20:22] <ForgeAus> or a non-native filesystem for another operating system itself
[20:23] <babalo> I mean do you think kubuntu took some place but didn't finish the installation..is that possible
[20:23] <MilitantPotato> sure, if the CD is bad
[20:23] <MilitantPotato> or you've got hardware issues, a setup can fail part way through
[20:24] <babalo> yes the cd is corrupt
[20:24] <MilitantPotato> burn a new one :)
[20:24] <mifauna> hola
[20:24] <MilitantPotato> if it's corrupt it's useless
[20:24] <babalo> I did
[20:24] <^Jsn^> does anyone know why the web browser in kubuntu does not acknowledge that i have an internet connection?  do you have to setup a network profile or some sort for it?
[20:24] <MilitantPotato> did you format your / partition and run the setup again?
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> hey mifauna
[20:24] <babalo> but militantpotato..I've install it on the other pc..and went fine
[20:25] <ForgeAus> jsn that depends on your internet
[20:25] <ForgeAus> if you get it from DHCP it should work out of the box
[20:25] <^Jsn^> i'm connection threw dail up
[20:25] <babalo> no I didn't format anything
[20:25] <ForgeAus> but if you need to set up a static IP you ahve to do that manually
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: no, you need to kill a certain service... just a second
[20:25] <MilitantPotato> babalo: might give formating the / partition a try
[20:25] <babalo> dhcp yes forgeaus
[20:25] <MilitantPotato> EXT3 is a good choice
[20:25] <babalo> I never done it militant
[20:26] <MilitantPotato> are using the alternate text based?
[20:26] <ForgeAus> dialup uses a ppp program from memory...
[20:26] <mifauna> hola
[20:26] <babalo> yes militant
[20:26] <MilitantPotato> At some point, there's an option to manually configure the drives
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: system settings->advanced->service manager
[20:27] <^Jsn^> i'm there
[20:27] <babalo> yes and I have no idea how to do it...militant
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: and kill the "network status daemon"
[20:27] <babalo> lvm
[20:28] <^Jsn^> I don't have that as a coice
[20:28] <^Jsn^> only Network
[20:28] <coggz> yay, my installer is now working babalo
[20:28] <jussi01> !test
[20:28] <ubot3> Failed.
[20:28] <babalo> nice...coggz
[20:29] <MilitantPotato> babalo: are you dual booting?
[20:29] <babalo> yes....xp/suse
[20:29] <Arwen> wow, the desaturate filter in compiz is useful
[20:29] <Arwen> makes everything so much more readable
[20:29] <babalo> I wanna delete suse and replace it with kubuntu
[20:29] <MilitantPotato> Once you're in the installer, just choose manual
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: are you sure you are in "service manager"not "system services"?
[20:30] <babalo> yes I did that
[20:30] <DarkestHour> ^Jsn^: are you able to connect anything to the net with that computer? say for example, are you talking to us in konversation?
[20:30] <MilitantPotato> make a fairly large parition for / (root), one somewhere around 1-2gb for /home, and depending on your ram, a swap between 500mb and 2gb
[20:30] <babalo> but then it tells me to use all disk
[20:31] <MilitantPotato> babalo: if you do it manually you can pick and choose between the partitions
[20:31] <MilitantPotato> it's the bottom most option
[20:31] <^Jsn^> my bad. I was in system services
[20:31] <dhq> is there anyway to manually controll my fan
[20:31] <^Jsn^> just getting used to this
[20:31] <babalo> can I delete suse militant
[20:31] <^Jsn^> works now. Thanks ALOT!
[20:31] <MilitantPotato> yea, but formatting that partion :)
[20:32] <MilitantPotato> partition
[20:32] <^Jsn^> Will that service restart when i restart ubuntu, or will it stay stopped?
[20:32] <MilitantPotato> ^Jsn^: uncheck Load at start
[20:32] <babalo> see this where its complicate lol
[20:32] <MilitantPotato> babalo: do you know where suse is installed?
[20:32] <MilitantPotato> hda1, hda2 etc
[20:32] <^Jsn^> ok
[20:33] <babalo> hda2 I believe
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> babalo: if you know where what OS is installed, it's fairly straight forward
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> make sure you know
[20:33] <babalo> hda1 is xp
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> if ya format your windows part. you'll lose it
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> ok, so format hda2, mount point /, filesystem EXT3
[20:33] <Regital> does anyone know how to get Samsung T10 mp3 to work on kubuntu?
[20:33] <noiseidea> hello. does anyone know how to change the default language encoding in KAudioCreator? it defaults to Arabic, which naturally screws up umlauts and stuff like that?
[20:34] <schemacs> Regital:
[20:34] <babalo> can I pm you militant?
[20:34] <MilitantPotato> make sure you have a 500mb to 2gb partition with the filesystem SWAP, and if you want, a partition 1-2gb with the mount point /home EXT3 filesystem
[20:34] <schemacs> just a sec.
[20:34] <schemacs> brb
[20:34] <^Jsn^> Another question... Everytime I close Dolphin i get this error message "Unable to save bookmarks in /home/jason/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive."  Is this a common error?
[20:34] <frank_> MilitantPotato: you said 1-2Gb for /home    out of how much total?
[20:34] <MilitantPotato> babalo: sure
[20:34] <babalo> ty
[20:34] <MilitantPotato> frank_: sorry?
[20:35] <schemacs> back
[20:35] <schemacs> do you have amarok?
[20:35] <Regital> schemacs, yeah
[20:35] <frank_> MilitantPotato: i was just reading and /home is where you put all the extra capacity you don't need in / and swap
[20:35] <schemacs> Cool It should work well then.
[20:35] <ScorpKing> ^Jsn^: try - sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /home/jason/.kde/
[20:35] <Regital> really?
[20:35] <^Jsn^> what is that?
[20:36] <genii> ^Jsn^: sudo chown -R jason:jason /home/jason/.kde
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: have you ever started dolphin with "sudo dolphin'?
[20:36] <ScorpKing> hehe genii :P
[20:36] <genii> ScorpKing: hehe
[20:36] <^Jsn^> no
[20:36] <^Jsn^> what is chown?
[20:36] <Regital> schemacs, i cant talk in priv so just tell me there but i cant answer
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: well, what that does is give you write permissions to all files in your.kde
[20:36] <trappist> ^Jsn^: CHange OWNer
[20:36] <schemacs> ok
[20:37] <^Jsn^> oh ok
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> ^Jsn^: ooops, actually it changes the OWNER
[20:37] <^Jsn^> man there are alot of commands to remember
[20:37] <trappist> ^Jsn^: once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you ever got along without all those commands
[20:37] <Regital> 1001
[20:37] <genii> ^Jsn^: Likely you ran dolphin somehow previously with root permissions and it made the bookmarks file unchangeable to the regular owner
[20:37]  * ScorpKing agrees with trappist..
[20:37] <Y-Town> Why do I keep getting this error when I close Dolphin: Unable to save bookmarks in /home/dan/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.....My drive is not even remotley close to full  :o)
[20:38] <nosrednaekim> ScorpKing: be careful with using the number.....
[20:38] <trappist> Y-Town: probably the same reason as ^Jsn^ :)
[20:38]  * nosrednaekim thinks about copy and pasting....
[20:38] <MilitantPotato> sudo chown -r jason:jason ~/
[20:38] <MilitantPotato> nothing in ~/ should be owned by root or another user
[20:39] <genii> MilitantPotato: Since the .kde dir is hidden, specifying it doesn't hurt
[20:39] <jussi01> Y-Town: if you have no special settings in dolphin, go delete that file as root
[20:39] <^Jsn^> it fixed it.   Thanks again!
[20:39] <trappist> Y-Town: try sudo chown -R <yourusername> /home/dan/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin
[20:39] <ScorpKing> nosrednaekim: yeah i know. i'll remember that. i'm used to being the only user. sudo won't work anyway if the user don't belong to the admin group. ;)
[20:39]  * ScorpKing makes a note..
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> ScorpKing: true.
[20:39] <trappist> ScorpKing: unless you have a user-specific entry in sudoers
[20:39] <MilitantPotato> frank_: if you have over 1.5gb of ram, swap is rarely used, and if your / partition is sizeable, having a fairly large /home mountpoint won't hurt, lets you put large files on your desktop
[20:40] <jussi01> that error occurs when you use the root here function in dolphin
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> swap is used for hibernate...
[20:40] <MilitantPotato> frank_: Wine will take up loads of space I've noticed, my /home is nearly 3gb
[20:40] <ScorpKing> trappist: true.. it took me a while to figure out visudo. hehe
[20:40]  * nosrednaekim laughs and shows off his 30GB /home
[20:40] <Y-Town> trappist: I did that and it worked... was it just a permissions issue?
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> Y-Town: yep
[20:41] <trappist> ScorpKing: I just installed and configured pamusb, so instead of entering a password for sudo I can just insert my usb stick :)
[20:41] <frank_> MilitantPotato: yes I know but 1-2 GB for /home  strikes me as pretty small unless you're really limited in space
[20:41] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: so swap needs to be larger then your total system memory?
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: correct... 1.5 to 20 times
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> *2.0
[20:41] <trappist> Y-Town: yeah some apps, when you run them as root, will set root ownerships on their config/data files, and cause this issue
[20:41] <ScorpKing> trappist: i was looking for something like that. thanks for the tip. :)
[20:41] <trappist> Y-Town: it happens with vim if the first thing you do is something like sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:41] <Y-Town> trappist: thank you
[20:41] <trappist> ScorpKing: pamusb.org
[20:42] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: seems there's lots of misinformed people (myself included)
[20:42] <trappist> wth?
[20:42] <trappist> swap doesn't *have* to be larger than your system memory
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> to hibernate correctly it does
[20:42] <trappist> nosrednaekim: oh, right :)  I'm not a hibernator
[20:42] <MilitantPotato> So if you've got 4gb of ram you need 6-8gb of swap?
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> yup
[20:42] <Y-Town> trappist: I came in at the end of jsn's question and remembered I had a issue with dolphion as well  :o)
[20:43] <MilitantPotato> ouch
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> but hey... if you have 4GB of ram....8GB of disk space should be nothin ;)
[20:43] <MilitantPotato> yep
[20:43] <trappist> MilitantPotato: if you're not using all that ram you can probably get away with less.  but if you ARE and it's not big enough, you might be sad.
[20:43] <Regital> schemacs: yeah it didnt work...
[20:43] <wolfspfote> hi...I have a serious problem with my xserver....because of the old version in the repositorys I installed the nvidia driver from their homepage....but when it modifies xorg.conf...nothing works
[20:44] <trappist> wolfspfote: don't let it modify xorg.conf
[20:44] <trappist> wolfspfote: and, don't use those drivers - use the ones from the repos
[20:44] <Regital> schemacs, it says Could not connect to MTP Device
[20:44] <wolfspfote> I have to use dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xorg to get all working again
[20:44] <trappist> wolfspfote: setting the driver to "nvidia" should suffice
[20:44]  * martijn81 uses smxi for that
[20:45] <wolfspfote> trappist: thats the next problem...I wanted to get the repo driver back....but then x also wont start....because of the kernel module version isnt the same as the driver...
[20:45] <wolfspfote> the nvidia original driver recompiled the nvidia module
[20:46] <trappist> wolfspfote: yeah once you've installed the nvidia.com driver it's hard to get rid of
[20:46] <wolfspfote> any hints?
[20:46] <trappist> wolfspfote: you might try envy
[20:46] <wolfspfote> uhm...thats this install script....isnt it?
[20:46] <trappist> !envy
[20:46] <ubot3> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[20:47] <wolfspfote> yes...
[20:47] <martijn81> i am glad i vacn
[20:47] <wolfspfote> trappist: du you also know how to get 2 screens to work ?
[20:47] <martijn81> oops
[20:47] <martijn81> i am glad i can use smxi for this, it' s such a nice script for sidux
[20:48] <wolfspfote> some hours ago someone sent me a link in here....but it was under windows...and now I am running linux again
[20:48] <Fat-head> on ubuntu i was able to type in terminal: gksu nautilus. what do i type in kubuntu ?
[20:48] <cuznt> did you try the same thing?
[20:48] <Fat-head> doesnt work
[20:48] <martijn81> Fat-head: kdesu konqueror
[20:48] <Fat-head> kk thnx
[20:48] <MilitantPotato> I liked the old envy message better
[20:51] <MilitantPotato> Which method of backing up is best for an external hard drive to copy / to?
[20:51] <MilitantPotato> dd just mucked my partitions up, cp failed miserably
[20:52] <SlimeyPete> rsync's useful if you need to resume after a crash
[20:52] <MilitantPotato> rsync would let me copy the filesystem back over?
[20:53] <Fat-head> has anyone been able to update their bios using a dell inspiron e1505/6400 ?
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> with ubuntu?
[20:53] <trappist> MilitantPotato: yep, and it does a lot of other cool stuff too.  if you do another backup, it'll only transfer compressed diffs of changed files, instead of copying the whole thing over again.
[20:53] <SlimeyPete> MilitantPotato: it essentially functions like cp but it'll resume files.
[20:53] <Fat-head> yeh
[20:53] <SlimeyPete> well, rather it won't bother copying data that's already there
[20:53] <trappist> MilitantPotato: but if you're transferring to a fat-formatted drive, you'll lose all your file ownerships and permissions
[20:54] <MilitantPotato> Awsome, I tried flyback, seemed great but I couldn't restore the install and have it boot.
[20:54] <Tm_T> intelikey: aww, root <3
[20:54] <MilitantPotato> is EXT2 ok?
[20:54] <Fat-head> nosrednaekin yes with ubuntu, u have ?
[20:54] <trappist> MilitantPotato: oh if you want it to boot, you'll want to use dd... copying files won't reinstall your boot sector
[20:54] <Fat-head> nosrednaekim yes with ubuntu u have ?
[20:54] <trappist> dd or g4u (ghost for unix)
[20:55] <intelikey> Tm_T :)
[20:55] <MilitantPotato> trappist: my mbr is on hda0, linux on hda3, if I do dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/sdc1 will that work?
[20:55] <trappist> MilitantPotato: if sdc1 is a partition big enough to hold hda3, yes
[20:56] <MilitantPotato> ok, I'll go that route next time
[20:56] <trappist> MilitantPotato: err... come to think of it, I'm not sure I've tried dd on a partition - only on a whole drive
[20:56] <MilitantPotato> trappist:yea that's where I'm lost
[20:56] <trappist> but I don't see why it wouldn't work
[20:56] <intelikey> anyone know what rez vga=771 produces ?
[20:56] <intelikey> off hand that is ^
[20:56] <MilitantPotato> I can't do a whole drive
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> Fat-head: no.... but look on the dell section of th ubuntu forums
[20:57] <Fat-head> k
[20:57] <MilitantPotato> Fat-head: It's advisable to update bios from a floppy
[20:57] <martijn81> never use wine for that though
[20:57] <intelikey> trappist: my mbr is on hda0, <<<<  MBR on a partition ???
[20:57] <MilitantPotato> Fat-head: if it goes bad, you'll need a new CMOS chip, or a new mobo
[20:57] <Fat-head> thnx guys
[20:57] <Fat-head> oh
[20:57] <intelikey> MilitantPotato how did you manage that ?
[20:57] <Fat-head> but i use a notebook which doesnt have a floppy
[20:58] <trappist> intelikey: 800x600
[20:58] <trappist> intelikey: good catch :)
[20:58] <martijn81> Fat-head: i dunno where your comment comes from, but you could always use a usb disk
[20:59] <intelikey> trappist ty.  didn't mean for you to go googling for me tho.  just thought someone might know without looking it up
[20:59] <MilitantPotato> intelikey: sorry, I meant grub
[20:59] <trappist> intelikey: I had a text file handy
[20:59] <intelikey> ah thanks.
[20:59] <MilitantPotato> Got the flu, my brain isn't cooperating
[21:00] <intelikey> i wanted to use the same resolution for watching vidios as the frame buffer was set to, so that it didn't leave me in the dark when the movie ended.
[21:01] <intelikey> MilitantPotato i stand under you.
[21:01] <slow-motion> hi
[21:03] <eddieftw> hi slow-motion
[21:04] <intelikey> i just handed my self a fist full of movies, which i accepted graciously of course...
[21:06] <schemacs> regital: when u plug in the samsung player does a usb device pop up or anything?
[21:06] <Regital> schemacs, no
[21:06] <schemacs> regital join channel #stuff
[21:06] <trappist> intelikey: so now you can tell us - really, which is better, giving or receiving?
[21:07] <Regital> hold on i think i found some help
[21:07] <intelikey> trappist sure is.
[21:07] <trappist> heh.
[21:08] <magistrum> hi ppl :) can anyone give me a bit of help
[21:08] <trappist> !ask
[21:08] <ubot3> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[21:09] <magistrum> i have a problem with my sound card in vista it always shows headphones, and when i installed pclinux my soundcard worked i was happy but i love kubuntu and my soundcard doesnt work in it because pclinux has an option in mixer to split headphones from speakers pls help
[21:10] <magistrum> any ideas
[21:11] <magistrum> :( none
[21:11] <trappist> magistrum: patience.
[21:11] <magistrum> ooo ok :) that i need to learn to have, iam new to irc... i tohught its instant answer forgot ppl need to think lol
[21:12] <sredna> is kmail buggyness a kubuntu specific issue?
[21:12]  * ScorpKing thinks and wonder why people never read the channel topic..
[21:12] <sredna> it crashes sending mail in some cases
[21:13] <trappist> sredna: nope :)  all the bugs I've run into are acknowledged upstream
[21:13] <sredna> i just lost a long mail
[21:13] <sredna> does anyone know of a functioning mail client?
[21:13] <magistrum> steta :)
[21:13] <magistrum> bad
[21:13] <magistrum> jea
[21:13] <magistrum> thunderbird
[21:13] <magistrum> mozzila
[21:14] <magistrum> just download from www.mozzila.com or something like that
[21:14] <ScorpKing> !enter > magistrum
[21:14] <sredna> i even saved it in drafts, but activating it there moves it away it seems :-(
[21:14] <Y-Town> I am trying to change my resolution on my monitor and it keeps going back to what it currently is...  any ideas as to why?
[21:14] <ScorpKing> sredna: sudo aptitude install thunderbird
[21:14] <sredna> i would so hate having to do that
[21:15] <magistrum> hmm bug
[21:15] <ScorpKing> sredna: i would prever using kmail myself but it really misbehave sometimes ;)
[21:15] <magistrum> hmm any ideas for my sound :) sory to bother but my installation kubunut ended and iwant to restart
[21:16] <magistrum> scorpking any ideas on me
[21:16] <magistrum> !
[21:16] <ScorpKing> !sound | magistrum
[21:16] <ubot3> magistrum: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[21:16] <sredna> it's possibly having to do with kmail checking adresses
[21:17] <magistrum> hmm i did that already, the problem is in mixer, he cannot dicifer the headphones from speakers so speakers dont work
[21:17] <Regital> schemacs, i got it to work with rhythmbox
[21:17] <schemacs> sweet
[21:18] <schemacs> regital: is it an mtp device to you know?
[21:18] <magistrum> ok nothing going to reboot cya guys
[21:18] <ScorpKing> magistrum: no idea then. hang around till someone else can help or search on google
[21:18] <magistrum> ok
[21:18] <schemacs> regital: did it work out of the box?
[21:18] <Regital> schemacs, no i had to install some packages for it
[21:19] <mohamed_> hello all, is it possible to install windows XP on kubuntu because i need it for testing ?
[21:19] <Regital> mohamed_ do you mean dual-boot?
[21:19] <mohamed_> Regital, no, i mean i run it from kubuntu
[21:20] <intelikey> !vmware
[21:20] <ubot3> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[21:20] <schemacs> virtualbox is better.
[21:20] <Regital> mohamed_ well i cant help with that
[21:20] <schemacs> Xen is fun.
[21:21] <mohamed_> thx all and Regital  where i can start ?
[21:21] <Regital> well you can ask around and see if anyone can help
[21:22] <the_darkside_986> is it possible to install KDE4 and have completely separate menus between KDE3 and 4. i want to have KDE4 but only if i can isolate it from KDE3.5
[21:22] <mohamed_> Regital, just give me a link or doc to read then i start when i face troubles i back ask again here :)
[21:22] <ForgeAus> theDarkside theres a few ways of doing that
[21:22] <ForgeAus> one is to use vmware
[21:23] <ForgeAus> or some other kind of virtualization (virtualbox, qemu) hmm not sure about usermode linux...
[21:23] <magistrum> back
[21:23] <mohamed_> thx ForgeAus i look now to virtualbox
[21:24] <the_darkside_986> i was wanting to set up session manager to be able to choose 3 or 4, but the last time i installed KDE 4 it made my menu a complete mess. I'd like to slowly  migrate to KDE4 so I can learn its API and new features.
[21:24] <magistrum> now antoher question after instalation the kubuntu told me my nvidia controler is not on, would i want to turn it on when i say yes it crashes
[21:24] <ForgeAus> thedarkside thats why virtualization is good
[21:24] <ForgeAus> it works as a sandbox :)
[21:24] <magistrum> that other adpt is using him
[21:25] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure a simple nested shell (sure it gives you a new environment) would work
[21:25] <ForgeAus> if you alter a file it stays altered ...
[21:26] <magistrum> anything on Nvidia Cards, can anyone help on that
[21:26] <ForgeAus> I don't know if kmenu has the ability to create some kinda profile where the menu is a user-specific one or not
[21:27] <ForgeAus> or run off a user-specific profile anyway
[21:27] <mohamed_> all screenshots for kubuntu i see 3D and i never become happy with this due to ATI :)
[21:27] <the_darkside_986> i am thinking... i guess i could just edit my menus manually to either remove 3 or 4 entries as i see fit. hopefully it is easy to tell which menu entry is for KDE4 and which is for 3... i tried KDE4 once but i miss it already. the icon rotation feature is so much fun.
[21:27] <ForgeAus> mohamed I hear ya
[21:28] <ForgeAus> sounds it darkside :)
[21:28] <ForgeAus> I have yet to touch those waters :)
[21:28] <ForgeAus> but I will.. someday... soon
[21:28] <mohamed_> ForgeAus, all hardware i own is amd, ATI :)
[21:28] <ForgeAus> mohamed with me its Intel, Asus, ATI
[21:29] <mohamed_> ForgeAus, can i run 3D compiz with my ATI ?
[21:29] <ForgeAus> gotta say I'm luvin my 22" widescreen lcd tho :)
[21:29] <Beaver{rRr}> what's easiest way to set up NAT on linux comp, and connect windows vista to it?
[21:29] <ForgeAus> mohamed yes I think you can it just may not be easy to set up
[21:30] <ForgeAus> Beaver you mean IP routing?
[21:30] <Beaver{rRr}> ForgeAus: yes
[21:30] <ForgeAus> hehe I wouldn't know
[21:30] <Beaver{rRr}> lulz
[21:30] <mohamed_> ForgeAus,  i already download the latest ATI driver yesterday and install it but i fail, i have ATI x1200 builtin
[21:32] <magistrum> hi
[21:32] <magistrum> i have an issue with kubuntu with nvidia card can anyone help pls
[21:32] <ScorpKing> !nvidia | magistrum
[21:32] <ubot3> magistrum: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:33] <magistrum> ok thnx
[21:36] <the_darkside_986> i just added the newest kde4 repository to apt, but when i search for kde4-core it keeps showing the older pre-release. any ideas?
[21:37] <martijn81> the_darkside_986: you done a sudo apt-get update too
[21:38] <the_darkside_986> i thought i did but i'll try again
[21:39] <magistrum> hej scorpion king i did what you sad, but it sad it cant fech the file for my nvidia card :) something about Restricted Drivers any idea whats that
[21:41] <the_darkside_986> how do i tell if a package is from a certain repository? i want to make sure kde4-core is the right one before doing an install.
[21:41] <intelikey> apt-cache policy package
[21:42] <the_darkside_986> thanks
[21:42] <intelikey> anyone know how to get vlc to do dvd/menu in console ?
[21:42] <MilitantPotato> Where are KDE theme and kicker settings stored?
[21:43] <the_darkside_986> kde4-core keeps asking me to insert my kubuntu dvd so i don't think it is the correct newest version of KDE4 :/
[21:43] <intelikey> MilitantPotato just a guess   ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker     or something like that.
[21:43] <martijn81> MilitantPotato: somewhere in ~/.kde/share/config i guess
[21:43] <mohamed_> thx all now i add virtualbox to my repository and will install later, ForgeAus back to ATI i realy is there any how to for run this card ?
[21:44] <slow-motion> n8
[21:44] <intelikey> yeah listen to martijn81 s/he probably has kde installed,    i don't
[21:44] <derdui_> Hi can anybody help me with that errorlog?http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/83658/
[21:44] <intelikey> error of what ?
[21:45] <derdui_> cups error
[21:46] <intelikey> add self to cupsd or cupsys group
[21:46] <intelikey> or possably   lpd or lpadmin
[21:47] <onavarrete> hello everybody, is possible to configure a Windows Live mail account using Kmail?
[21:48] <cpk1> onavarrete: does windows live let you use pop?
[21:48] <intelikey> oh yuch   you also have a bad driver.    E [10/Mar/2008:22:25:46 +0100] Syntax error on line 20 of printers.conf
[21:48] <onavarrete> no it doesn't cpk,
[21:48] <intelikey> or maybe not driver.   configuration file.
[21:48] <derdui_> iam in the group lpadmin, and that driver is original form canon
[21:49] <intelikey> doesn't mean it will work with *buntu
[21:49] <onavarrete> i used to manage my mail with evolution (ubuntu)
[21:49] <onavarrete> but now I switch to KDE
[21:49] <intelikey> derdui_ is it "for ubuntu"  or is it a debian package ?
[21:50] <derdui_> well, on the german page, ther ist a documentation for the installation
[21:50] <intelikey> or a generic  ppd ?
[21:50]  * intelikey doesn't buy printers that need drivers.
[21:52] <onavarrete> I think I found the solution!! thanks anyway cpk
[21:52] <intelikey> if echo "Hello world. \n" >/dev/lp0   doesn't print i don't want it.
[21:59]  * intelikey has also learned to "hate" dvd's due to DRM
[22:04] <derdui_> thats my printers.conf,http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/83739/ dies anybody know whats wrong there?
[22:06] <intelikey> the error said line 20     20 DeviceURI   <<<   try just commenting it out and see if it helps
[22:08] <intelikey> howto convert .vob to something useful ?
[22:09] <derdui_> doesnt work intelikey
[22:10] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: Try http://www.zamzar.com/ but if the file is bigger 100 mb, it won't work
[22:12] <intelikey> derdui_ idk.
[22:12] <intelikey> Odd-rationale heh what .vob is not larger than 100m ???
[22:12] <intelikey> these are all 10 times that.
[22:13] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: some... You cut it into ten pieces...
[22:13] <derdui_> what do you mean intelikey
[22:13] <intelikey> idk=i don't know.
[22:14] <intelikey> irc hicup
[22:14] <derdui_> hmmm.... oki, now the password is accepted, but the printer doesnt prints a testpage
[22:15] <intelikey> derdui_ showed to be paused.   use kdesudo and run the print manager as root to un-pause the printer and see if that helps
[22:15] <intelikey> cups is not me cups of tee
[22:16] <derdui_> whats the order to run the manager?
[22:17] <intelikey> idk i dont have kde installed.
[22:17] <intelikey> kprint[tab][tab]
[22:17] <ScorpKing> how can i add the contents of cell 1A on sheet1-50 in Oo calc? maybe something like =SUM(SHEET(??).A1) ?
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: This *might* convert .vob's http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652843
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> I don't remember.
[22:19] <intelikey> i'll have a look   thanks
[22:19] <ForgeAus> oo.o isn't really kubuntu-specific is there a channel for that?
[22:20] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: Are you trying to pirate dvd's :P
[22:21] <alallalala> holaa
[22:21] <intelikey> Odd-rationale yes absolutely,  trying to RIP from disk to hdd and put in a usable format so i can watch at a whim.
[22:21] <derdui_> the printer is inactive but were can i change this? i found nothing in the printermamager
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> intelikey: Can you not rip the dvd --> .ogg
[22:22] <intelikey> .vob will play in vlc  but there has to be a better format.
[22:23] <gianni> Hi all
[22:23] <DaSkreech> intelikey: hey
[22:23] <intelikey> Odd-rationale .ogg would be fine with me.   it's the ripping that takes some doing
[22:23] <gianni>  I have a problem with apt-get update, can you help me?
[22:23] <intelikey> DaSkreech
[22:24] <gianni> I'm a newbie :(
[22:24] <Odd-rationale> !ask | gianni
[22:24] <ubot3> gianni: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:25] <gianni> I install kubuntu 7.10 and I'm online with Ethernet
[22:25] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Wouldn't happen to be on Hardy?
[22:25] <intelikey> nope   dapper
[22:26] <gianni> but when I run command 'apt-get update' it is timeout..
[22:26] <gianni> I must download driver to wireless
[22:26] <intelikey> seeing that hardy is supposed to be LTS  i may use it when it swims
[22:27] <intelikey> !wifi | gianni have you checked here ?
[22:27] <ubot3> gianni have you checked here ?: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[22:28] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Just did a dist-upgrade from dapper to hardy
[22:28] <intelikey> kewl.   figured it could be done.    but it may work better after the release :)
[22:29] <gianni> no, no I know what I must use to run wireless. My problem is that if I run 'apt-get update' it does timeout
[22:30] <intelikey> pastebin your sources.list
[22:30] <gianni> here?
[22:30] <intelikey> no
[22:30] <DaSkreech> !paste
[22:30] <ubot3> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:30] <gianni> ok
[22:30]  * DaSkreech is always fascinated by people who can't get on the net but are on IRC :)
[22:31] <DaSkreech> intelikey: can't get KDE to boot thouugh :(
[22:31] <intelikey> there was a bug about that was there not
[22:31] <intelikey> to boot ?   kde isn't an operating system, it's a desktop environment
[22:31] <intelikey> oh you mean to start
[22:32] <intelikey> DaSkreech tried startx from a console to see why ?
[22:33] <gianni> ... I think, Ipasted my source.list here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59194/
[22:33] <DaSkreech> intelikey: need to get hal working first
[22:34] <intelikey> hal is not needed for kde
[22:34] <DaSkreech> I know but I can't remove xfce till I fix hal
[22:34] <intelikey> kde will make use of it.  but you can run kde without it
[22:34] <intelikey> oh
[22:35] <gianni> when apt-get connect first link, it does timeout
[22:36] <gianni> and second, third.. all
[22:36] <intelikey> i can't ping http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com   can you ?
[22:37] <gianni> yes I do
[22:37] <gianni> i can ping
[22:37] <gianni> i can ping all link but they do timeout with apt-get
[22:38] <RickKnight> I am trying to upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy. At "installing the upgrades" the process hung at 56% (sendmail-bin). My system isn't crashed but the upgrade has been on this file for 40 minutes now. What should I do?
[22:40] <derdui_> > hat jemand ne idee, warum mein drucker nicht druckt, obwohl er erkannt wurde per lsusb wird der angezeigt.... aber im cubs steht das:> CanonIp2200 (Standarddrucker) "Unable to open USB port device file: No such file or directory"
[22:41] <stdin> !de | derdui_
[22:41] <ubot3> derdui_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[22:41] <derdui_> sorry, i was in the wrong window
[22:42] <wastedfluid> hey guys.  I'm trying to hoko up an external monitor to my laptop.  If I plug up the monitor to my laptop and restart x, It displays it perfectly!  But, as soon as I login to kde 3.5.8, or kde4, it goes black and says No Support.. anyone know how to do this?
[22:42] <gianni> ehm, are there solution for apt-get update timeout with new kubuntu 7.10 installation?
[22:43] <selckin> chage to a diffrend mirror
[22:43] <wastedfluid>  But why does it work at the login screen?  Obviously it works at some point..  I've used this monitor back when I had windows installed
[22:43] <wastedfluid> so u think its just incompatible?
[22:43] <gianni> where I can all mirror?
[22:43] <gianni> where do I find all mirror?
[22:46] <ScorpKing> !sources
[22:46] <ubot3> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[22:46] <ScorpKing> gianni: try to look there ^
[22:46] <ubotwo> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[22:47] <gianni> my source.list is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59194/ and I can ping all link. thanks for link now I read them
[22:49] <gianni> I used these link tomorrow but the 'Adept Manager' not respond then four hours.. so now I test shell but I look timeout
[22:50] <sfears> i'm having problems with the computer shutting down when i close the laptop lid.. i've already set power management to "do nothing" for both ac & battery power.. any ideas where else a setting like that could be?
[22:53] <gianni> any ideas?
[22:54] <stdin> ubotwo: part
[22:56] <gianni> sorry no tomorrow but yesterday..
[23:01] <Phantom-Ex> Anyone know the syntax of /etc/inittab ?
[23:01] <macdunbar> does any one know if i compiled my own kernel for my macbook will updates screw it up later?
[23:02] <ForgeAus> macdunbar perhas you'd be better to ask in #OSX or something?... as ofr compiling your own kernel then it depends on what the updates are
[23:02] <ForgeAus> theres a few dangers tho
[23:02] <ForgeAus> one that the other software will assume your kernel is a standard one...
[23:02] <macdunbar> well it's the kernel for my kubuntu install
[23:02] <gianni> bye
[23:02] <intelikey> that was an interesting run...
[23:03] <ForgeAus> and two that an update might be an update to the kernel itself, which could make things nasty...
[23:03] <ForgeAus> interesting run at what?
[23:03] <intelikey> at work.
[23:03] <gianni> ?
[23:03] <ForgeAus> so what happened that was so interesting?
[23:03] <macdunbar> ForgeAus: thx i think i'll just not install any updates for the kernel
[23:03] <intelikey> oh just the way it played out.
[23:04] <intelikey> it's calls like that that make this job worth doing.
[23:04] <intelikey> !ot | me
[23:04] <ubot3> me: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:05] <Phantom-Ex> What is the difference between the 2-5 runlevels?
[23:05] <intelikey> Phantom-Ex nothing
[23:05] <intelikey> not unless you change something that is.
[23:05]  * intelikey uses runlevel 9
[23:08] <Phantom-Ex> After I create more ttys how would I access them? Same way just with higher Function keys?
[23:08] <Phantom-Ex> intelikey ok
[23:09] <intelikey> Phantom-Ex yes.   and notice that left-alt+f1-12 is tty 1 through 12  but right-alt+f1-12  is tty 13 through 24
[23:10] <Phantom-Ex> intelikey thx
[23:10] <intelikey> and you don't "create more ttys"   unless you do actually mean compile the kernel to support more than 255 tty's ....   you simply access them.
[23:11] <intelikey> pasting file /usr/local/bin/24
[23:11] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d745efff4
[23:12] <intelikey> Phantom-Ex if you know anything about shell grammor you can glean thoughts from that pastebin
[23:12] <Phantom-Ex> ok
[23:15] <gundam_rx78nt1> hello. what do I need to get mkv playback on kubuntu?
[23:15] <gundam_rx78nt1> !mkv
[23:15] <ubot3> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:15] <intelikey> wishen this boxen had front usb port now....
[23:16] <shroedi> Guten Abend
[23:17] <shroedi> !nvidia
[23:17] <ubot3> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[23:18] <intelikey> tov yom aleichem
[23:18] <shroedi> Ist hier jemand der Deutsch chatet?
[23:19] <intelikey> !de
[23:19] <ubot3> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[23:19] <shroedi> THX
[23:19] <intelikey> d'nada
[23:20] <Regital> hey, im trying to install java, and when i get to the website there are 2 different installation files
[23:20] <Regital> Linux RPM and Linux, which one should i install?
[23:21] <Y-Town> tar.gz
[23:21] <intelikey> !java | Regital
[23:21] <ubot3> Regital: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[23:21] <Regital> intelikey, thanks
[23:21] <intelikey> welcome
[23:24] <intelikey> i wonder why ^l doesn't clear the screen on one console but does on others
[23:24]  * intelikey investigates
[23:25] <intelikey> i think it's because bash is /bin/bash on that console....
[23:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> is there any good sites or howto's for bash scripting?
[23:26] <intelikey> yep that was/is why.
[23:26] <stdin> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[23:26] <stdin> gundam_rx78nt1: ^
[23:26] <intelikey> gundam_rx78nt1 and ask stdin    he a pro
[23:26] <intelikey> :)
[23:27] <stdin> well, I know my way round a shell ;)
[23:28] <intelikey> gundam_rx78nt1 what i started to say was   #bash   has a really handy bash guide
[23:28] <Hydrogen> I'm a pro.
[23:28] <Hydrogen> that is all
[23:28] <intelikey> stdin heh.  i don't   i always get stuck in the shell     lol
[23:29] <stdin> kill -9 solves that :p
[23:29]  * intelikey looks for a way around shell....
[23:29] <intelikey> kill -9 -1 that is.
[23:29] <intelikey> sudo kill -9 -1
[23:29] <stdin> just unplug it, it's quicker
[23:30] <intelikey> not much
[23:30] <gundam_rx78nt1> thanks for the help stdin, intelikey.
[23:31] <intelikey> but i have a power box on top of my box,  i can flip the lighted toggle, and >>>>-<<<<
[23:31] <intelikey> lights out!
[23:32] <Regital> hmm...
[23:32] <intelikey> gundam_rx78nt1 welcome.     and really stdin is good help with shell Q's   i play around in the shell a lot myself so if you need anything else...
[23:32] <Regital> i just installed java but still doesnt seem to work
[23:33] <Regital> wait... i forgot to restart firefox =D
[23:33] <stdin> "dosen't work" means nothing, what doesn't work and what have you tried
[23:33] <derdui_> Hi, one question, i have allready installed my canon ip2200 printer, i can see it in cups, bu ti cant print, and i cant change ist to local printer..... what can i do now?
[23:33] <intelikey>            ^
[23:34] <intelikey> remove and reinstall the printer as local
[23:34] <intelikey> ?
[23:47] <intelikey> someone care to chase down a package for me???      grep bin/startx /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
[23:47] <intelikey> oh never mind i have a box that has working xorg   i'll check on it.
[23:47] <LjL> intelikey, that command won't work, argument list too long
[23:48] <stdin> $ dpkg -S bin/startx
[23:48] <stdin> xinit: /usr/bin/startx
[23:48] <genii> "bash: /bin/grep: Argument list too long"
[23:48] <intelikey> LjL it would without the *
[23:48] <LjL> so it does
[23:48] <intelikey> thanks fellows.
[23:50] <LjL> intelikey,
[23:50] <LjL> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xinit.list:/usr/bin/startx
[23:50] <LjL> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xinit.md5sums:11d20dc99a56859d04bdeaa8e447ae8b  usr/bin/startx
[23:50] <intelikey> k  yeah stdin beat you to it.  but thanks.
[23:50] <LjL> wasn't sure it was the same thing.
[23:50] <asobi> what's the chan for kde4?
[23:50] <intelikey> yeah it is.   it's the  xinit package
[23:51] <intelikey> !kde4
[23:51] <ubot3> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:51] <asobi> thanks
[23:51] <stdin> dpkg -S is at its core a wrapper around grep <expression> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
[23:52] <intelikey> stdin yeah    but it helps not when looking for non-installed packages.
[23:52] <stdin> intelikey: there's always packages.ubuntu.com to :)
[23:53] <intelikey> i haven't playes there much   can you search for things like startx there ?
[23:53] <stdin> yeah, you can search for files in packages
[23:54] <derdui_> Hi does anybody know a free version off turboprint? but one were i dont have that dammed banner in my picture^^
[23:54] <intelikey> k i'll make a note of that.
[23:59] <intelikey>    You have searched for filenames that contain /etc/X11/X in suite dapper, all sections, and
[23:59] <intelikey>    architecture(s) i386.
[23:59] <intelikey>    Sorry, your search gave no results
[23:59] <intelikey> seems that the search feature on that page leaves something to be desired.