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krautmoin08:53
Tonio_hi there08:53
Tonio_cking_: hey, I just wanted to report a little issue with latest kernel update08:53
Tonio_cking_: you included my patch for bug 8725308:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 87253 in linux "internal speakers do not work on MacBook Pro" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8725308:54
Tonio_cking_: for some reason I can't figure out, the sound broke on macbook pro....08:54
Tonio_cking_: I'm re-reading the patch and I must say I can't figure out why..... that's should work as crimsun's old one...08:55
tjaaltonTonio_: bug 20033808:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 200338 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20033808:55
Tonio_tjaalton: so that's maybe more general issue than just my patch then ?08:56
Tonio_tjaalton: then I would understand :)08:57
tjaaltonmaybe yes, affecting everyone ;)08:57
cking_Tonio_: Looks like a more generic sound problem.08:57
Tonio_tjaalton: oki ;)08:57
Tonio_tjaalton: thanks for the info :) I really felt guilty with proposing a crackfull patch ;)08:57
Tonio_cking_: okay08:57
cking_Tonio_: Once the generic problem is resolved, I suggest trying again...08:57
tjaaltonTonio_: np, haven't noticed that myself yet, but saw the bug08:58
Tonio_cking_: sure08:58
cking_Tonio_: Once I reboot my laptop with the latest 2.6.24-12.18 updates I am bound to experience the same problem.09:02
Kanohi, does anybody get sound with a hardy snapshot10:26
Kanoi dont think that disabling sound in the kernel options helps..10:27
infinityNo, sound's busticated.10:27
infinityThere's a bug with a billion "me too"s.10:27
infinityCheck dmesg, unresolved symbols galore in snd_* modules.10:27
Kanowell thats because somebody thought disabling sound is a great idea10:27
Kanoi know that10:28
infinityYeah. :)10:28
infinityI'm pretty sure it's "known" is my point. :)10:28
infinity(It looks like an attempt to move sound/alsa wholesale from linux-image to l-u-m, but breaking it along the way)10:28
Kanowell i know this even before it was released, exactly when i saw the patch...10:28
Kanominimum CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX=m should be disabled10:29
Kanothat gives only problems10:30
Kanoyou can not blackist it without breaking old kernels on mixed installs10:30
Kanoas soon as update-initramfs would be triggered then you could not boot an older kernel10:31
BenCGood morning able bodies11:23
amitkBenC: in case you haven't seen see the bug yet - bug 20033811:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 200338 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20033811:33
BenCamitk: isn't that a case of "install lum please" ?11:34
amitkBenC: we have installs w/o LUM?11:35
BenCamitk: default install is with lum...linux-image-generic depends on it11:35
BenCanybody changing that is taking on their own problems...but this looks like something different anyway11:36
amitkbesides these things are being triggered from LUM modules - see comment 15, for example11:36
BenCright...have you updated your install?11:38
BenCI'm updating mine to get a good look at the problem11:39
amitkBenC: doing it as we speak11:39
BenCHopefully we wont have to delay beta11:40
cking_BenC: There certainly is a lot of missing sound related symbols...11:42
cking_..anyhow, you are up early today Ben. 11:43
amitkbe back after a reboot11:45
* BenC is rebooting too11:46
BenCAh, CONFIG_SND being disabled makes alsa not able to load11:50
BenCstupid11:50
BenCI wonder if this can be overcome in lum or if we have to do something in the kernel and re-upload11:51
cking_BenC: I suspect it needs to be done in the kernel rather than the lum.11:53
BenCcking_: I fear that too, but I'm hoping we can overcome that somehow :)11:53
BenCIt's very odd though...the lum build should have failed in this case11:56
BenCcking_: I think we may be in luck...those missing symbols are defined in and exported from sound/sound_core.c in alsa11:59
BenCjust need to figure out why it wasn't compiled in11:59
cking_BenC: Yep, I am just looking at that. Perhaps turning on CONFIG_SOUND will do the trick... perhaps11:59
cking_BenC: Not sure what the difference between CONFIG_SND and CONFIG_SOUND is.12:00
cking_BenC: I see know, SOUND for sound core, SND for ALSA.12:01
BenChmm...why isn't soundcore.ko being built...CONFIG_SOUND=m in the build12:06
amitkBenC: hmm.. I wonder if I was facing the same problem - obj-$(BLAH) wasn't getting interpreted correctly. See my latest commit for Marvell12:08
BenC"To enable ALSA support you need at least to build the kernel with12:13
BenCprimary sound card support (CONFIG_SOUND).  Since ALSA can emulate OSS,12:13
BenCyou don't have to choose any of the OSS modules."12:13
cking_BenC: Just run a i386 generic build and no soundcore.ko built - looked at: config.generic --> # CONFIG_SOUND is not set12:22
BenCcking_: that's the kernel12:22
BenCcking_: I was talking about the alsa-driver build in lum12:23
cking_BenC: Ah. I see what you mean.12:23
BenCI've set CONFIG_SOUND in the kernel and am preparing a new upload though12:23
BenCpushed my changes in case you guys want to give it a test run12:24
BenCI'm doing a -generic build to make sure all is good12:24
BenCGoing to drink some coffee while this is going on12:26
BenCrecompiling the kernel with CONFIG_SOUND works for me12:46
BenCNo ABI bump, so all clear for an easy upload12:47
BenCrebooting to be on the safe side, brb12:47
BenC[   26.570791] snd: no version for "unregister_sound_special" found: kernel tainted.12:51
BenCa recompile of lum to fix that will be nice though12:51
siretartcould some kernel hacker please comment on bug #197006? it hits the 'fai' pretty serverly (like in reders it close to unusable) :(12:52
* allee seconds siretart wish. Ubuntu kernel have unfortunately a bad charma respect to fai :(12:54
alex_joniubotu: bug 19700612:54
alex_joniubotu: bug #19700612:55
tjaaltonubotu is just feeling groggy12:55
alex_joniseems like it :)12:55
BenCprobably hasn't had his coffee12:55
tjaaltonyeah, rough weekend most likely12:55
BenCsiretart: got a pretty good response for that...use aufs12:56
BenCthe unionfs in hardy is a dumbed down 1.4 version, just enough for a working live-cd12:56
BenCit doesn't have the NFS support in it12:56
siretartBenC: I tried aufs as well, but that crashed for me even earlier12:57
BenCsiretart: "crashed" is a loose word in this context, since unionfs didn't crash either12:58
BenCsiretart: what exactly happened when you tried to use unionfs (in what way did it fail)12:58
BenCaufs I mean12:58
siretartI have to admit that I can only tell from memory. I gave it a quick shot, and on the first glance, it looked like aufs wouldn't work with NFS at all12:59
BenCIf we can give you an updated aufs to resolve this, we can do that...but updating unionfs to work with NFS is not going to happen12:59
siretarthm. I see12:59
BenCsiretart: how hard is it for you to download and build latest aufs with our kernel headers and test it for fai?13:00
siretartdepends. what package do I need to recompile?13:00
BenCnot a package, just the aufs source, and replace current aufs.ko with the one you build13:01
BenCor you can update the aufs source in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 and rebuild that, but it will take longer13:02
siretartBenC: ah, that sounds easy to do. Where can I find the latest aufs source?13:03
BenCaufs.sf.net13:03
siretartok. will try that. thanks!13:03
alleeBenC: thx from my side too!  Seems there is a bit of hope again.13:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 197006 in linux "NFS over Unionfs prevents updating existing files" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19700613:09
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amitkBenC: planning on re-uploading LUM too?14:36
BenCamitk: yeah14:36
BenCsmb: Can you check on the SB600 USB stress test failure patch that Shane Huang just updated us on?14:44
BenCsmb: I'd like to get that into the kernel...most likely post-beta though14:45
smbBenC: Yes I can do. I was looking at the kernel bug when the first patch came in and it sounded as the problem there had not finally be resolved. But I will have a look at the latest patchset14:46
BenCsmb: thanks14:47
BenCWe have the rest of this week to work out any remaining serious issues we want for Beta, but we need to make sure we commit nothing that isn't critical14:48
BenCActually, we only have till Wed. since freeze is Thu14:48
BenCAny ABI bumps should be considered a no-go unless agreed upon in advance14:49
smbBenC: Ok, I am currently also checking something else towards that and will send that around on the kernel mailing list as soon as I have something.14:53
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amitkBenC: wrt. LUM, I've got a couple of changes in git now that I'd like to get in today. Or were you planning only a 15:46
amitk...'give back'15:46
BenCamitk: No, I was doing an upload from git...I'll pull in your changes too15:46
amitkBenC: great, thanks.15:47
dantalizingBenC: I was just wondering what the status on the openvz patches is.  I understood they would be loaded last friday.16:29
dantalizingjust curious16:30
aboganicking: Are you around? Are you already working on #177634?16:44
aboganicking: I'm already working on it: Can i assign this bug to myself?16:46
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ckingabogani: I've only just assigned myself on it .. 16:49
cking..not sure if you can assign yourself to it.16:51
aboganicking: Yes i can. 16:54
ckingabogani: Ok then, take it from me. :-)17:02
aboganicking: Thank you! :-)17:03
ckingabogani: no problem, you are doing me a favour!17:05
aboganicking: It is my little contribution. ;)17:06
ckingabogani: every little helps17:06
abogani:-17:06
abogani:-)17:06
aboganicking: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-March/002198.html17:14
ckingabogani: is it tested? :-}17:16
aboganicking: Yes.17:16
ckingabogani: thanks!17:16
aboganicking: I enabled lzma kernel module on i386 and amd64 only.17:16
ckingabogani: yes, should it be broadened to all supported architectures?17:18
aboganicking: Sorry! I can test it only on i386/amd64 platforms. There Isn't exotic hardware here. :-(17:19
cking_abogani: I walk on the safe side, maybe we'll see if BenC OK's it on all architectures.17:20
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aboganiGood night guys! :-)17:26
BenCcking_: It's a little late for that sort of patch17:42
BenCcking_: Don't want to introduce anything that can especially affect live-cd17:42
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cking_BenC: OK - won't pull it then.18:09
siouxhi :-)18:45
siouxno one help me with saa7134_alsa: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_new18:45
sioux?18:45
siouxthis is my kernel 2.6.24-11-rt18:46
siouxhey no one is up?18:56
_MMA_Or everyone's busy.18:56
_MMA_sioux: Best to file a bug though as the -rt maintainer is gone for the evening.19:00
_MMA_Oh. He left.19:01
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sioux:-)19:35
sioux:-D19:36
_MMA_sioux: Before you left I said its best to file a bug though as the -rt maintainer is gone for the evening.19:39
Nilbussomeone said they had /sys/power/pm_trace on a 64 bit kernel?20:15
Nilbusoh, hmm20:16
Nilbushttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/14586020:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145860 in linux "x86_64 kernel not compiled with PM_TRACE option" [Undecided,Fix released] 20:16
Nilbusx86_64 kernel not compiled with PM_TRACE option20:17
Kmoshi20:42
Kmosthe latest kernel update on hardy killed my sound :(20:42
Kmos00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 40)20:42
_MMA_Kmos: Known. Use -11 for now.20:43
Kmosthe -11 worked fine20:43
Kmos_MMA_: it's an known issue? nice.. do you know when there is an update for it?20:43
_MMA_Apparently it hit Fedora as well. No clue about a update.20:43
stgraberKmos: I saw a new linux-image building tw hours ago20:43
stgraber*two20:43
Kmosstgraber: nice :)20:44
Kmosi'll wait so =)20:44
Kmosthanks for the info20:44
stgraberhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.24-12.20/+build/536089 "Enable CONFIG_SOUND at least, so alsa build in lum works20:44
Kmosnice20:45
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TheMusoWow, it hit fedora as well? Ouch.21:36
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[diablo]hi23:20
[diablo]BenC, ok thanks.. right the problem is:23:21
[diablo]I've put 8.04 on my laptop, and im experiencing a weird problem that is I seem to need to hold a key like ALT to keep it booting, and also sometimes in Gnome aswell23:21
[diablo]I found that if I do an acpi=off23:21
[diablo]it works well, no key holding, the neg being that my MadWifi drivers don't detect any AP's23:22
[diablo]any ideas please?23:22
BenC[diablo]: try using irqfixup, irqpoll, or biosirq for kernel command line23:24
[diablo]with the acpi=off ?23:25
rico42955is there a channel to ask about the kernel and drivers?23:53
_MMA_rico42955: What's up? Sound issues?23:58
_MMA_ie: No sound with new kernel?23:59

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