[01:10] sadmac, ping [01:11] sadmac, so upstart in fedora 9 is ignoring /etc/inittab. Where is it defined to run mingetty on VT1 through VT7? [01:17] warren: upstart should ignore /etc/inittab . Check out /etc/event.d/tty* [01:20] ok perfect, exactly what I needed. [01:20] sadmac, btw, do you know how to run a root shell from /etc/event.d/tty* files? [01:21] sadmac, i've been trying things like /usr/bin/openvt -c # -w -l /bin/bash [01:21] that sort of works [01:22] warren: thought of /bin/bash < /dev/tty# > /dev/tty# ?? It isn't pretty, but... [01:22] oh [01:22] sadmac, I tried a variation of that before, had no job control [01:22] sadmac, is the TTY number available as a variable or something to the scripts of /etc/event.d/? [01:23] warren: don't think so... not really applicable in most cases. [01:26] sadmac, if a file in /etc/event.d/ is blanked out does it become a no op without breaking anything? [01:26] sadmac, we have those files as %config(noreplace) in our event-compat-sysv package, which allows them to be edited and rpm upgrade wont blow away changes. however I can't delete files from there or rpm upgrade will restore it. [01:29] warren: just about any syntax error causes the file to become a no-op :) so yeah [01:32] Keybuk: around? [02:29] sadmac, it will complain about it being empty? [02:29] warren: no. It fails silently [02:30] ok [02:30] good enough [02:51] sadmac, how does upstart know which runlevel to use by default? [02:51] sadmac, 3 text mode 5 graphics [02:52] warren: it appears we're still grepping that out of /etc/inittab (wanted to change that actually) [02:52] sadmac, could you let me know when you change that? I have to adjust it elsewhere too. [02:53] warren: I'll tell you if/when we do. [02:53] thanks [02:53] sadmac, which distro are you affiliated with? [02:53] warren: fedora [02:53] sadmac, oh, just wondering because you aren't hanging out in #fedora-devel [02:54] warren: ...hmm...it seems I'm not [02:55] sadmac, we might also want to add something to our shipping /etc/inittab to tell people "not here!" [02:55] sadmac, I wonder how many things parsed /etc/inittab and would be broken [02:56] warren: that must happen. If we do get the default runlevel out of there we can just blow that file away (then start fixing things as they break) [02:58] sadmac, write a fuse filesystem module to provide a /etc/inittab that is put together in real-time based upon /etc/event.d? =) [03:07] warren: hell yeah [03:08] sadmac, sorry, I just said that bad idea for shock value. [03:08] warren: no no. thats the way to go. We can do it in java too. [03:09] warren: and we'll offer the ability to cluster your inittab processing while we're at it. And encryption, [03:09] oh god [03:10] you're worse than me [03:17] :) [13:59] sadmac: yup, vaguely around (little busy today) [14:21] Keybuk: what is the profiles implementation plan looking like (if any)? My thought would be to send the "startup" event only to jobs listed in the active profile [14:23] there's a bzr branch for that I think [14:25] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~alex-extreme2/upstart/profiles [14:25] (bzr merge --preview to see the resulting diff) [14:26] it looks like it simply ignores all start events for disabled jobs [14:27] which is the right thing to do I think [14:58] Keybuk: sounds good [16:06] that branch is horribly outdated, however ;) [16:15] well, yes ;) [16:43] AlexExtreme: so what is it that makes you more extreme than other Alexes? [16:43] (Alexi?) [16:45] heh, well. I've been meaning to change my nick sometime. I registered this nick *ages* ago when I first used IRC, and since Alex was taken I wanted something to stick on the end of it, "Extreme" was the first word I saw (was on a magazine on my desk IIRC), so it kinda stuck and now I use it for lots of things [16:46] heh, nobody can ever change their nickname once it's stuck ;) [16:46] sadmac: What is it that makes you sadder than other macs? :-) [16:47] * AlexExtreme points at *the* Sad Mac icon [16:47] ion_: my first person shooter name was sAdIsTiCmAcHiNe. sadmac was the inevitable shortening everyone stuck with, and was more polite. [16:48] now and again I go by madsac for a bit. [16:49] I try to use Alex where possible now [16:50] Keybuk: for that matter, what's a keybuk? [16:50] keybuk.com from MS-DOS [16:51] ah. [16:52] what's different on a UK keyboard? Apart from easier access to the GBP symbol? [16:53] UK keyboard didn't get some of the changes the US keyboard did [16:53] so is still in ASCII order [16:53] our shift-number punctuation is !"$%^&*() [16:54] at some point, US keyboards swapped " and @ around [16:54] we have an extra key [16:54] and a larger return key [16:56] Heh. Wikipedia labels the Super key as the "win key" [16:56] "Press here to win" [16:56] * AlexExtreme despises the fact that keyboard manufacturers put a windows logo on there [16:57] AlexExtreme: You can get keyboards without it. My boss' has a diamond. [16:58] yeah, but most have it. I've seen ones with linux penguins (made by Cherry IIRC) [16:58] the key didn't exist at all until it was the Windows keys [16:58] AlexExtreme: There's this solution http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8396/ [16:58] hah, yes [17:00] to class! [17:04] http://johan.kiviniemi.name/pictures/keyboard/keyboard-01/original [17:04] I'm surprised Cherry don't just sell the individual keys [17:04] but I guess there's not much profit in that [19:45] Keybuk: is UPSTART_EVENT set in post_stop? [19:50] Keybuk: looks like it is from my test [20:36] Md: what does your quit message mean? [20:39] I have many [20:39] Md: "odium turbae sanabit solitudo, taedium solitudinis turba"