[01:10] <warren> sadmac, ping
[01:11] <warren> sadmac, so upstart in fedora 9 is ignoring /etc/inittab.  Where is it defined to run mingetty on VT1 through VT7?
[01:17] <sadmac> warren: upstart should ignore /etc/inittab . Check out /etc/event.d/tty*
[01:20] <warren> ok perfect, exactly what I needed.
[01:20] <warren> sadmac, btw, do you know how to run a root shell from /etc/event.d/tty* files?
[01:21] <warren> sadmac, i've been trying things like /usr/bin/openvt -c # -w -l /bin/bash
[01:21] <warren> that sort of works
[01:22] <sadmac> warren: thought of /bin/bash < /dev/tty# > /dev/tty# ?? It isn't pretty, but...
[01:22] <warren> oh
[01:22] <warren> sadmac, I tried a variation of that before, had no job control
[01:22] <warren> sadmac,  is the TTY number available as a variable or something to the scripts of /etc/event.d/?
[01:23] <sadmac> warren: don't think so... not really applicable in most cases.
[01:26] <warren> sadmac, if a file in /etc/event.d/ is blanked out does it become a no op without breaking anything?
[01:26] <warren> sadmac, we have those files as %config(noreplace) in our event-compat-sysv package, which allows them to be edited and rpm upgrade wont blow away changes.  however I can't delete files from there or rpm upgrade will restore it.
[01:29] <sadmac> warren: just about any syntax error causes the file to become a no-op :) so yeah
[01:32] <sadmac> Keybuk: around?
[02:29] <warren> sadmac, it will complain about it being empty?
[02:29] <sadmac> warren: no. It fails silently
[02:30] <warren> ok
[02:30] <warren> good enough
[02:51] <warren> sadmac, how does upstart know which runlevel to use by default?
[02:51] <warren> sadmac, 3 text mode 5 graphics
[02:52] <sadmac> warren: it appears we're still grepping that out of /etc/inittab (wanted to change that actually)
[02:52] <warren> sadmac, could you let me know when you change that?  I have to adjust it elsewhere too.
[02:53] <sadmac> warren: I'll tell you if/when we do.
[02:53] <warren> thanks
[02:53] <warren> sadmac, which distro are you affiliated with?
[02:53] <sadmac> warren: fedora
[02:53] <warren> sadmac, oh, just wondering because you aren't hanging out in #fedora-devel
[02:54] <sadmac> warren: ...hmm...it seems I'm not
[02:55] <warren> sadmac, we might also want to add something to our shipping /etc/inittab to tell people "not here!"
[02:55] <warren> sadmac, I wonder how many things parsed /etc/inittab and would be broken
[02:56] <sadmac> warren: that must happen. If we do get the default runlevel out of there we can just blow that file away (then start fixing things as they break)
[02:58] <warren> sadmac, write a fuse filesystem module to provide a /etc/inittab that is put together in real-time based upon /etc/event.d? =)
[03:07] <sadmac> warren: hell yeah
[03:08] <warren> sadmac, sorry, I just said that bad idea for shock value.
[03:08] <sadmac> warren: no no. thats the way to go. We can do it in java too.
[03:09] <sadmac> warren: and we'll offer the ability to cluster your inittab processing while we're at it. And encryption,
[03:09] <warren> oh god
[03:10] <warren> you're worse than me
[03:17] <sadmac> :)
[13:59] <Keybuk> sadmac: yup, vaguely around (little busy today)
[14:21] <sadmac_> Keybuk: what is the profiles implementation plan looking like (if any)? My thought would be to send the "startup" event only to jobs listed in the active profile
[14:23] <Keybuk> there's a bzr branch for that I think
[14:25] <Keybuk> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~alex-extreme2/upstart/profiles
[14:25] <Keybuk> (bzr merge --preview to see the resulting diff)
[14:26] <Keybuk> it looks like it simply ignores all start events for disabled jobs
[14:27] <Keybuk> which is the right thing to do I think
[14:58] <sadmac_> Keybuk: sounds good
[16:06] <AlexExtreme> that branch is horribly outdated, however ;)
[16:15] <Keybuk> well, yes ;)
[16:43] <sadmac_> AlexExtreme: so what is it that makes you more extreme than other Alexes?
[16:43] <sadmac_> (Alexi?)
[16:45] <AlexExtreme> heh, well. I've been meaning to change my nick sometime. I registered this nick *ages* ago when I first used IRC, and since Alex was taken I wanted something to stick on the end of it, "Extreme" was the first word I saw (was on a magazine on my desk IIRC), so it kinda stuck and now I use it for lots of things
[16:46] <Keybuk> heh, nobody can ever change their nickname once it's stuck ;)
[16:46] <ion_> sadmac: What is it that makes you sadder than other macs? :-)
[16:47]  * AlexExtreme points at *the* Sad Mac icon
[16:47] <sadmac_> ion_: my first person shooter name was sAdIsTiCmAcHiNe. sadmac was the inevitable shortening everyone stuck with, and was more polite.
[16:48] <sadmac_> now and again I go by madsac for a bit.
[16:49] <AlexExtreme> I try to use Alex where possible now
[16:50] <sadmac_> Keybuk: for that matter, what's a keybuk?
[16:50] <ion_> keybuk.com from MS-DOS
[16:51] <sadmac_> ah.
[16:52] <sadmac_> what's different on a UK keyboard? Apart from easier access to the GBP symbol?
[16:53] <Keybuk> UK keyboard didn't get some of the changes the US keyboard did
[16:53] <Keybuk> so is still in ASCII order
[16:53] <Keybuk> our shift-number punctuation is !"$%^&*()
[16:54] <Keybuk> at some point, US keyboards swapped " and @ around
[16:54] <Keybuk> we have an extra key
[16:54] <Keybuk> and a larger return key
[16:56] <sadmac_> Heh. Wikipedia labels the Super key as the "win key"
[16:56] <sadmac_> "Press here to win"
[16:56]  * AlexExtreme despises the fact that keyboard manufacturers put a windows logo on there
[16:57] <sadmac_> AlexExtreme: You can get keyboards without it. My boss' has a diamond.
[16:58] <AlexExtreme> yeah, but most have it. I've seen ones with linux penguins (made by Cherry IIRC)
[16:58] <Keybuk> the key didn't exist at all until it was the Windows keys
[16:58] <sadmac_> AlexExtreme: There's this solution http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8396/
[16:58] <AlexExtreme> hah, yes
[17:00] <sadmac_> to class!
[17:04] <ion_> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/pictures/keyboard/keyboard-01/original
[17:04] <Keybuk> I'm surprised Cherry don't just sell the individual keys
[17:04] <Keybuk> but I guess there's not much profit in that
[19:45] <sadmac_> Keybuk: is UPSTART_EVENT set in post_stop?
[19:50] <sadmac_> Keybuk: looks like it is from my test
[20:36] <sadmac_> Md: what does your quit message mean?
[20:39] <Md> I have many
[20:39] <sadmac_> Md: "odium turbae sanabit solitudo, taedium solitudinis turba"