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ThingusToo much like work... Sorry, I don00:00
Thingusdon't* play well with others.00:00
TheSheepthat's ok00:00
Ultraputzsheep - new and fun question: is there anything like rc.d that is launched when you go into sleep or hibernate?00:01
ThingusSo, is there any easy way to downgrade, or do I have to reinstall?00:01
TheSheepUltraputz: check the /etc/acpi.d00:01
Ultraputzja00:01
Ultraputzexcellent.00:01
Ultraputzi want something that will force-flush gpg pass on hibernate, etc.00:01
TheSheepcareful, easy to break things00:02
Ultraputzof course, but linux was built by tinkerers00:02
TheSheepand remember these scripts run as root00:02
Ultraputzgood point.00:02
Ultraputzlastly, the ethernet issue -- when i use this machien w/ wifi, everything is fine, no glitches. w/ enet cable plugged in (and this machine, this install, has worked fine over enet) title: "the configuration was not able to load" dialog: "you are not allowe00:04
Ultraputzd to access the system configuration"00:04
ThingusHrm...00:04
ThingusI just discovered that acpi_sbs doesn't exist.00:04
Ultraputzi checked /etc/networks/* and the permissions were solid00:04
ThingusWhat the deuce...00:07
ThingusWhy?!00:09
ThingusWTF...00:09
zoredachevidd: sorry, I was away... I did the upgrade while in the gui running 'sudo update-manager -d' the same as your bug said... As for my specs... I had tested inside a vmware vm00:11
ThingusWell, what the...?00:14
ThingusVerbally, I'm cursing very badly, but I know better.00:14
viddzoredache, i think its a "real hardware" issue not replicatable in a vm00:15
TheSheepThingus: maybe try loading relevant kernel modules manually00:15
Ultraputzthesheep: noticed something -- the raw capture from OSS was 8 bit00:15
Ultraputzaudacity seems to assume 16 bit inputs00:15
Ultraputzand the error in strace is a broken attempt to read.00:15
Ultraputzbbs00:16
ThingusTheSheep: Tried that.00:16
Thingusmodprobe'd battery00:16
Thingusran sudo acpi -V00:16
ThingusNo battery shows up.00:16
ThingusJust says AC-Adapter: on-lin00:17
ThingusGuess what...00:17
ThingusMy AC adapter isn't even plugged in. >>00:17
ThingusGuh... Fine...00:18
ThingusI guess I'm stuck with Fiesty. ><00:18
ThingusThat means I can't even run AWN, like I wanted to.00:18
ThingusWhat irritates me is that I was up until 4AM this morning install Gutsy.00:19
ThingusAnd my grammar reflects that lack of sleep. >>00:19
TheSheepThingus: why can't you run awn?00:20
ThingusBug in XFCE.00:20
ThingusI was hoping that the Gutsy version would include the patch.00:21
TheSheepThingus: that's bug in awn, and it's not fixed in later xfce00:21
TheSheepThingus: it doesn't 4.6 does00:21
ThingusTheSheep: The one that constantly brings AWN into focus?00:21
TheSheepThingus: yes00:21
ThingusI was under the impression that was a bug in XFCE...00:22
TheSheepThingus: I was pathcing my xfwm00:22
ThingusBah, I dunno.00:22
TheSheepThingus: the workaround is in wm, because it was easier to fix it there00:22
TheSheepThingus: but the bug is awn's00:22
ThingusSo, I can make it work in Feisty?00:22
TheSheepThingus: you can download sources for xfwm, patch it, compile with --prefix=/usr and then replace the binary00:23
TheSheepThingus: but it's a little messy00:23
ThingusThat's what I was afraid of... -.-00:23
ThingusAnd, I can't even find an ISO for Xubuntu 7.04, anymore...00:26
ThingusGo figure.00:26
ThingusI give up.00:26
ThingusEh, nevermind... Found it.00:27
ThingusGuh, there has to be a way...00:28
ThingusI'll try reinstalling...00:28
ThingusGutsy, that is.00:28
zoredachevidd: if you believe your issue IS related to hardware, you might want to post your hardware into you bug report.  Of course it is also possible you had some additional software installed that I didn't have in my VM maybe?00:28
TheSheepThingus: xfce comes with a graphical installer for compiling the sources, btw00:28
viddzoredache, it was a vanilla xubuntu install....00:29
zoredachehrm...00:30
viddinstall ubuntu server, apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, update dapper, then reboot....then run update manager00:30
viddi dont think its hardware related....i think it is the way the install handles real hardware that a vm doesnt00:33
zoredachevidd: that is exactly what I had done00:33
viddon a "fake" machine...not a real machine00:34
zoredacheyeah... I don't have a spare computer to test on...  The best I can do for you is to test in a vm..00:35
prinHi, does anyone know where my themes are located ?01:18
prinNot Apps » Settings » etc01:19
prinbut the actual theme files01:19
Ultraputz /usr/share prolly01:20
princheers!01:21
j1mchi prin you can also store themes inside your home directory.01:23
j1mccreate a folder in your home dir called .themes  you can unpack your theme files into there.01:23
prinI am trying to install clearlooks compact, but I can´t really seem to get it going.01:24
prinoh01:24
j1mcthe same can also be done with icons  (folder ~/.icons )01:24
prinwill do01:24
prinwith or without sudo ?01:24
j1mc.fonts works, too.  :)  you don't need sudo bc it's in your own home directory01:24
prinof course, silly me01:25
j1mchowever... putting them in your home directory will make them only available to you (not other users on the system)01:25
j1mcit's easier, though.01:25
prinThat´s fine. I´m the only one on here anyway01:25
j1mc:)01:25
j1mcthe folder won't normally be visible... you'll need to "show hidden files" for it to be visible, but that's how it works.01:26
prinWow, that worked like a charm. Thank you !01:26
j1mcyw.  :)01:27
j1mci've added some documentation for that which will be included in the hardy release.01:27
prinIs there any way to add tabs to my console, by the way?01:27
j1mcctrl-shift-t01:27
prinhurrah!01:28
prinHere I was opening up new terminal windows like a multi-milliondollar company in eastern europe01:28
j1mc:)01:29
prinNew to my 'applications' I have a little firefox logo to fire up firefox. Is there an easy way to add a tiny terminal next to it?01:35
prinNot a commandline though, just the icon to bring up the program.01:36
j1mcyes... right-click, and type add new item, and then select launcher01:36
j1mcin the box that pops up, you can enter "xfce4-terminal" into the command section.01:37
j1mc(w/o the quotes)01:37
prinDone01:38
prinBut it looks like I have to go searching for the program I want to run, right?01:39
j1mchi hackhalotwo01:39
hackhalotwohello01:39
hackhalotwothe computer beeps at me now lol01:39
j1mchackhalotwo: i saw that you joined xubuntu-testing team today01:39
hackhalotwoyea01:39
hackhalotwoAlpha301:39
j1mcwhat all were you interested in testing?01:39
hackhalotwowell, Just the newest Xubuntu01:40
hackhalotwoMy labtop is picky, so I could only install Xubuntu 7.1001:40
j1mcfiling bugs and stuff like that?01:40
hackhalotwothat too01:40
j1mcok01:40
hackhalotwoI'm trying to find a good Linux OS for my labtop01:41
hackhalotwoso far (minus the beeping) i like the new alpha01:41
j1mchackhalotwo: what drew you to xubuntu?  and when does your computer beep?01:41
hackhalotwo1.) because Ubuntu wouldn't install 2.) when you say my name01:41
j1mchackhalotwo:01:42
j1mcbeep01:42
j1mcwhat irc program are you using?01:42
hackhalotwoyea01:42
hackhalotwochatzilla01:42
hackhalotwowithin Firefox 3b301:42
j1mcah, ok.  what kind of a beep is it?  just the system beep?01:43
hackhalotwosystem beep01:43
hackhalotwoyea01:43
j1mcwell, i don't think a program like xchat would beep at you like that, but if you want to get rid of that system beep, i can show you how to do it.01:43
hackhalotwoeh01:43
j1mcit's easy01:43
hackhalotwoit's better than nothing01:44
UltraputztheSheep: further investigations: JACK allowed audacity to sort-of record for a few seconds. :-)01:44
j1mchackhalotwo: ok, well i guess if it gets annoying, you can get rid of it later.  i found it annoying, too, and got rid of it.  you have to blacklist your pcspkr module, that's all.01:45
hackhalotwoah01:45
hackhalotwoi think i can change it within chatzilla01:46
hackhalotwojust a sec01:46
hackhalotwosay my name01:46
hackhalotwoplz01:47
j1mchackhalotwo: hi01:47
hackhalotwook, found the beeper01:47
hackhalotwotry again01:47
j1mchackhalotwo: hi01:47
hackhalotwono more beep01:47
j1mc:)01:47
hackhalotwosweetness01:47
hackhalotwowithout blacklisting anything01:48
hackhalotwoXD01:48
j1mcwoo. i just found the blacklisting to be helpful when using backspace on the terminal.01:48
j1mcgoing back too far would cause the beep.01:48
hackhalotwoah01:49
hackhalotwolike winders01:49
hackhalotwoanyway, I want to start coding for Xubuntu is the main reasion for going Linux01:50
j1mccool.  what areas are you interested in?01:51
hackhalotwobasically hardware01:51
hackhalotwolike the battery monitor01:52
hackhalotwobecause Ubuntu has a prompt that comes up if your battery is busted (like mine)01:53
j1mcah, ok.01:53
hackhalotwoso I want to try to put that into Xubuntu, or help someone if that project has allready been started01:53
j1mci think that would be in the Xfce-goodies project.  Xubuntu is based on xfce.01:54
hackhalotworight01:54
hackhalotwolet me look at that now01:54
j1mci'd probably recommend joining the #xubuntu-devel channel and talking with mr_pouit.01:55
j1mche's the primary packager for xubuntu.  he and cody somerville (somerville32)01:55
hackhalotworight01:55
hackhalotwosweet, ty01:55
j1mcworking upstream on xfce would be fine, too.  but if you wanted to contribute directly to xubuntu, they could point  you in the right direction.01:56
j1mci primarily work on xubuntu docs.01:56
w0ngis there a way i can disable all menu icons in gutsy?03:11
dezrikIs there anyway to remove nm-applet03:32
forceshola!03:46
forcescomo vamos aca??03:46
natjo1986how do i make a live cd to try xubuntu?03:50
forcesmake??03:51
forceswhy don't download??03:52
natjo1986well see that is the problem i don't know what to do i'm new at this03:52
forceswww.xubuntu.org03:53
forcesthere you can download xubuntu03:53
natjo1986i'm already downloading 7.10 i just don't know where to go from there because i've never encountered an iso file before03:54
forceshablas espa;ol???03:56
pleia2natjo1986: in your cd burning software, burn it as an "iso image" - if you google there are instructions for a lot of different software03:57
pleia2forces: try #ubuntu-es ?03:57
natjo1986thank you pleia2 and once it is burned i can run it as a live cd from there?03:58
pleia2natjo1986: yep :)03:58
forcesno03:58
forcesyo para ayudarle03:58
forcesxDD03:58
forcesI wont to help natjo198603:59
natjo1986again pleia2 thank you03:59
pleia2welcome03:59
jte091805Hello everyone! I need help. I want to install python 2.5.2 in my xubuntu gutsy06:07
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holoI am trying to run X session automatically by putting su -c startx user in /etc/rc.local, but I get "connection refused: unable to connect to X server"09:47
holowhy I get connection refused?09:47
holoand if i make it manually, I mean login in tety, and startx it works09:48
VolkodavI am trying to install pidgin 2.4.0-1 that I got from it's site and I get an error Dependency is not satisfiable: pidgin-data09:58
VolkodavAlso I created another partition and now I can not change the permissions on it I tried chown a+rw /dev/sda310:02
Volkodavdid not help10:02
Volkodavstill owned by root10:02
gabkdllyhi Volkodav10:09
Volkodavhello10:09
gabkdllyI think permissions data is kept in the filesystem, so you will want to mount your new partition and then try changing the permissions on it10:10
Volkodavchown 777 /dev/sda3 did not work neither10:10
Volkodavit is mopunted10:10
Volkodav*mounted10:10
gabkdllyit may be mounted, but probably not at /dev/sda310:10
gabkdllyuse df to see what is mounted where10:11
Volkodav/dev/sda3              54G  544K   54G   1% /media/sda310:12
gabkdllythere you go :)10:12
gabkdllyyou may already have write access10:13
Volkodavwell I did chown 777 /media/sda310:13
gabkdllydid it work?10:13
Volkodavlemme try umount it10:13
Volkodavnot yet10:13
Volkodavnope10:14
Volkodavstill no go10:14
Volkodavumount/mount didi not help10:14
Volkodavdarn it10:14
Volkodavwtf - easy shit does not work]10:15
gabkdllyI have to admit, I don't know what 777 does10:15
VolkodavIprobably need to change group too10:15
gabkdllybut if you want to change the permissions on something owned by root, you would have to do sudo chown ...10:15
VolkodavI created root myself10:15
gabkdllyhuh?10:16
Volkodavcreated root account and password10:16
gabkdllyoh, ok10:17
gabkdllyso, I guess you are logged in as root?10:18
Volkodavnope10:18
VolkodavI need to access this partiton as user10:18
gabkdllythen you either have to sudo or log in as root in order to change permissions on a file owned by root10:19
Volkodavas root I have full access to it10:19
Volkodavright10:19
VolkodavI did that10:19
gabkdllyok10:19
gabkdllyand it did not work?10:19
Volkodavand it still does not allow to write10:19
Volkodavno10:19
Volkodavnot for the user10:20
gabkdllywhat does "ls -l /media/sda3" say?10:21
gabkdllysorry, I meant "ls -l /media/"10:22
Volkodavdrwxr-xr-x 2 root root 6 2008-03-07 15:4610:22
Volkodavmaybe this will help  chmod ugo+rwx /media/sda310:23
Volkodavyeap10:24
Volkodavit worked finally10:24
gabkdllycool :)10:24
VolkodavThanks for your help gabkdlly10:24
gabkdllyabout your pidgin problem, I guess you will have to get the pidgin-data package from somewhere, maybe a good place to start is asking around at the place where you got the pidgin package10:25
Volkodavtheir site lol10:25
VolkodavI'll look into it10:25
gabkdllyoh :)10:25
gabkdllyare you installing from source then?10:25
gabkdllyI did not see any debian packages on their download page10:25
Volkodavno - just grabbed ubuntu package10:26
Volkodavfrom softpedia I think10:27
Volkodavhttp://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Pidgin-Download-6.html10:27
gabkdllythere is a pidgin-data package in the repositories, maybe it would work for you10:29
Volkodavit might - lemme check10:29
Volkodavsays I already have the newest versioin10:30
gabkdllydid you try the "Ubuntu 7.10 DEB ALL (Data)" package on your link above ?10:31
Volkodavnope10:32
VolkodavI will10:32
Volkodavit worked10:35
gabkdllysweet :)10:37
feanorekhi, can anyone can tell me why after i installed the restricted ATi drivers, everything is very small in xubuntu ?? When im using firefox i even cant see what im typing into the google search bar !! Chaning font size helps only for the xfce menu,programs etc. but not for firefox @!!10:39
TheSheepfeanorek: apparently the drivers detecs your monitor's dpi wrong10:40
TheSheepfeanorek: shame they cannot be patched10:40
TheSheepfeanorek: but you can force dpi10:40
feanorekTheSheep, thats possible because ive got an laptop wioth 15,4 inch10:41
feanorekTheSheep, 1280x80010:41
TheSheepfeanorek: the best way, I think, is to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify your monitor size (physical) in the monitor section10:42
feanorekTheSheep, what u mean with physical ?10:43
TheSheepfeanorek: real-world10:44
TheSheepfeanorek: take a measure tape and check how large your display is10:44
TheSheepalternatively, you can try displaing the proprietary drivers and chcking the size with xrandr10:45
feanorekTheSheep, but whats the command to enter this in xorg ?? width"xxx" length"xxx" or what/10:45
* TheSheep consults 'man xorg.conf'10:46
feanorekk10:46
TheSheep DisplaySize  width height10:46
feanorekthanks10:46
TheSheepin millimeters10:46
feanor__TheSheep, thanks it working well !!!10:58
holohowto startx automatically without logging manually? I tried su -c startx user but I get connection refused11:21
gabkdllyit is possible to configure gdm to log one user in automatically11:29
gabkdllyApplications -> Settings -> Login Window11:31
gabkdllythen look under the "Security" tab11:32
doktoreasanyone can suggest a nice python ide for Xubuntu?12:06
doktoreaswithout installing too many package12:06
TheSheepdoktoreas: what do you mean by 'nice'?12:06
TheSheepdoktoreas: I like vim foe example...12:06
TheSheepfor*12:07
doktoreasyep sorry..nice was not the right term :D12:07
doktoreasi need just syntax highlight12:07
TheSheepdoktoreas: gedit, scite, geany12:07
doktoreasthx TheSheep I'll check it out12:08
TheSheepdoktoreas: of course vim does syntax highlighting, and you can use cream if you're not vim-compatible12:08
Parsec300Hi ppl, how do you enable remote desktop in xubuntu?13:51
maxamillionParsec300: you want people to be able to connect to your desktop remotely?13:52
Parsec300maxamillion, yes13:59
Parsec300maxamillion, Actually, I want to be able to connect to a desktop on my other computer.13:59
TheSheepParsec300: then just do 'rdesktop address-of-the-other-computer'14:04
Parsec300TheSheep, I want another computer (OSX Leopard) to VNC into a xubuntu computer.14:28
TheSheepParsec300: vnc or remote desktop? those are completely different things...14:28
Parsec300TheSheep, I thought that remote desktop works via VNC. At least, in Ubuntu it works through VNC. I have no problem connecting to ubuntu.14:29
TheSheepParsec300: Remote Desktop (tm) is a technology developed and patented by Microsoft14:30
TheSheepVNC, NX, and even remote X11 sessiosn are similar technologie for similar goals, but not necessarily related to that company :)14:31
TheSheep!vnc14:31
Parsec300TheSheep, ok, I see what you mean. Ok then, I would like to VNC into xubuntu14:31
ubotwoVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX14:31
TheSheepargh, defeated by a bot :D14:32
Parsec300I've VNC'd into an Ubuntu machine via OSX before, even through ssh, but it doesn't work with xubuntu so far.14:33
TheSheepParsec300: you need to have the server running14:33
TheSheepParsec300: I think xubuntu doesn't start it by default (not sure if it even installs it)14:33
Parsec300I've installed VNC4server.14:36
TheSheepParsec300: have you configured it and started?14:39
Parsec300I've run vncserver and trying now.14:40
Parsec300I've got to go. Be back later. Thanks.14:40
jalshey is the xubuntu desktop version a live cd too? so i can try it first before installing?15:45
TheSheepjals: yes15:45
jalstidy, thanks15:46
indrakhi folks, how to open the debconf?15:52
feanorekhi, can anyone tell me where was the directory from where i can delete shortcuts in the xfce menu ?? was it /usr/share or something ?16:44
TheSheepfeanorek: /usr/share/applications, but it's better to copy them to your ~/.local/share/applications and add hidden=yes to them16:45
TheSheepfeanorek: this way you don't impact other users and don't have to repeat it after every update16:45
feanorekTheSheep, yo thanks !16:45
prinHow do I check my partitions? I think I might have some leftover space hidden on another partition16:49
prinNevermind, I just opened gparted, and it seems I16:50
prinve got like 1gb of swap or something16:51
ThingusOkay, so I'm running Feisty, and every time I right click on the desktop, xfdesktop segfaults.17:00
TheSheep!bug17:00
ubotwoIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots17:00
alucardromeroWhat's the command to query hard drive space??  I forgot.17:44
alucardromeroI'm in TTY17:44
entitywhat do i typ to edit xorg.conf from terminal?17:46
feanorekwhat modules shall my /etc/X11/xorg.conf load ?? Because i've got only one section: Load"glx" and thats all... im using ATi Mobility Radeon. Can someone tell me?17:46
entitynvm, didnt got gedit17:48
alucardromeroentity: sudo vim /etc/x11/xorg.conf17:49
TheSheepalucardromero: that's a pretty bad advice, without telling how to use vim17:50
TheSheepalucardromero: the command to show free space is df17:51
Parsec300entity, you can also type 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'17:51
Parsec300entity, nano is a more user-friendly editor than vim!17:52
entityParsec300: i didnt get nano :D18:24
entityI installed envy recently, how do I check graphic card info from terminal?18:25
Parsec300entity, isn't nano installed by default?18:28
entityget = understand :D but i checked it for like 2sec :D18:29
entityParsec300: whats up with ^V etc? how do i press ^V?18:30
Parsec300nano isn't that dificult. It's sort of a notepad. You can use the keys at the bottom of the screen with the CTRL button18:30
Parsec300CTRL-V18:30
entityaha.. and just type the changes as I whant?18:31
entitywell.. that was quite nice :D18:32
entitybut what do i type to check my drivers info in terminal?18:32
entity-graphic drivers that is18:33
Parsec300entity. I forgot what to type.18:34
Parsec300But there's a ton of info on the ubuntu forums about this subject.18:34
Parsec300What card do you have?18:34
entityati igp 340m18:35
entity..integrated, and with no support in linux18:35
Parsec300entity, perhaps for you it is better to stick with the open source ATi driver.18:36
entityParsec300: i have tried everything, it seems like. dont remember if i tried open source though18:38
entitywell gonna reboot now after installing envy, hopfully the computer will start correctly :D18:40
Parsec300good luck18:40
entitythx18:41
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slow-motionhi21:01
Ven]nwhen is /tmp/ cleared?21:17
ThingusThis is why I love Linux21:23
ThingusI have Avant, custom XFWM, conky and all kinds of nifty stuff going, not even using half my RAM.21:23
ThingusThis laptop is pretty slick.21:23
zoredacheVen]n: /tmp is usually cleaned when the computer reboots...21:31
Ven]nok21:32
zoredachesee the files /etc/init.d/bootmisk.sh and /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh21:33
zoredachesorry, /etc/init.d/bootclean21:34
slow-motionn821:44
entityso, anyone knows any must have programs?22:11
uninvitedentity i'd say "vi"22:13
entityuninvited: is that a program name?22:13
sudobashnano k3b vlc xmms22:13
sudobashentity yes vi22:14
sudobashsudo apt-get install vi22:14
entityis there any cool laptop specific programs? i wouldn't what that could be.. just nice to know :D22:14
sudobashactually sudo apt-get install vi nano k3b vlc xmms22:14
sudobashk3b is for cd and DVD burning22:14
sudobashvi and nano are editors22:15
sudobashvlc and xmms are media players22:15
entityaha.. nano comes as standard right?22:15
sudobashand while your at it through in lynx22:15
sudobashit is for terminal HTTP and if you are going to do that you might as well get BitchX also for terminal IRC22:15
entityis it possible to install all apps with sudo apt-get install name22:15
sudobasha lot of them... other you need to add the appropriate repositories22:16
sudobashothers*22:16
entityi have tried irssi (or whats its calld) and i liked thatone22:16
sudobashXchat is good its what im using now22:16
entitysudobash: okey22:16
entityim using konversation, i liked that one22:17
sudobashyeah i have used both22:17
entityhmm so the list to install is: k3b, vlc, xmms, vi - do i really need lynx, i never go ungraphic :D22:17
sudobashXchat has real time spelling correction22:18
sudobashyeah lynx is helpful is X crashes and BitchX22:18
sudobashthats just me though22:18
sudobashif*22:18
entityyeah, but i liked konversations layout and settings more than xchat. konversation is more like mirc22:19
sudobashtrue22:19
entityokey.. lynx it is :D but thats text-based browser right?22:19
sudobashI used to script hardcore in mIRC like live streams into IRC of encrypted code22:19
sudobashit is powerful you just have to know how to use it properly but mIRC is extremely buggy22:20
sudobashmaybe worse than windows itself22:20
entityoh , never noticed. i just scripted some bots :D22:20
sudobashwell i was using other code outside of mIRC and it didnt like that much22:21
sudobashback in the old days22:21
entitywould be nice to have some developing tools, just to see the interface and take a look around :D i dont know anything about linux, but still. a better way to learn :D22:22
sudobashthen add build-essential22:22
entitywhat's that?22:22
sudobashit is easier to code terminal C and C++ apps in linux than in windows22:22
sudobashby far22:22
entityoh C# i know enough to work with webdeveloping, and c++ is not long away from c# :D22:23
sudobashyeah but c# is windows22:24
sudobashbut true22:24
entityoh, it's C22:24
entitybut developing in c++ should work then22:24
sudobashyeah but I started with embedded C then went to C then went to C++22:24
entityokey22:24
sudobashdoesntmatterimstoned22:25
sudobashyou dont have a big gui inlinux  you are basically writing the code in gedit or nano and then compile with gcc or g++ like g++ filename.cpp22:25
entitythe onlything i dont like in linux is the fact it's not windows :D i need flash, visual studio, photoshop, illustrator so i can work from home, and learn more stuff. I just love visual studios22:26
sudobashyeah visual studios is nice but you should be able to get flash and photoshop and maybe illustrator to work with wine or cedega22:26
entityoh.. no graphic interface.. that's a bit sad though it's easto learn in graphic-modes22:27
sudobashyou can install GUI22:27
sudobashbut i prefer writing terminal applications that dont need a GUI22:27
sudobashmore efficient for some things22:27
entityoh, well maybe gUI sound like a good ideá from the beginning22:27
entity...w8 a minute, are you stoned :D22:28
sudobashlol22:28
entity^^22:28
sudobashwait i will give you a good long sudo nano apt-get wait one second22:29
entitykk22:29
entityi have heard that linux dont play mp3, and maybe some video formats.. whats the standard for linux. is there someway to convert my windows files. or maybe vlc can play all formats22:36
Ven]nentity, vlc can play all formats, yes22:37
Ven]nso can mplayer22:37
entityoh so its just like in windows22:37
entityxmms that i installed?22:37
sudobashsudo apt-get install k3b build-essential xmms vlc wine nmap ssh gftp gpaint22:37
sudobashand install http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/22:38
sudobashno wait22:38
entityw8ng22:38
sudobashhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17764622:38
entityso, plz explain.. :D whats that :D22:38
sudobashautomatix22:38
sudobashit installs a lot of things that you will want and some that you will not22:38
sudobashbut you decide what to install22:39
entityshould i type sudo in terminal and then dl from the second link ?22:39
sudobashno follow the directions at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=177646 for automatix but for mine you just copy and paste and takeyou xmms since you already installed them22:39
sudobashit*22:39
entityis the website down?22:42
entitythe automatix22:42
entitywell that sux..22:45
sudobashtry going through synaptic to get int22:47
sudobashmaybe you will get lucky22:47
entityrememeber, im new at linux :D22:49
entityany programs for my network thats good to have?22:54
sudobashnmap22:56
sudobashnessus22:56
sudobashssh22:56
sudobashgftp22:57
entitysudobash: omg your like an open book of software :D22:58
entityis it as easy to unistall programs as it is to install them?22:59
sudobashsudo apt-get remove name23:02
sudobashyeap:)23:02
sudobashand it catches all the libraries and everything23:03
entityhehe nice. that's like the softest thing in linux.. no need to keepup to softwaredevelopers websites23:03
sudobashdebian rocks23:03
sudobashdebian and slackware is all you need23:03
sudobash:)23:03
entity..whats up with debian?23:03
sudobashUbuntu is based on debian23:14
sudobashlike Back|Track is based on Slackware23:14
entitylike windows is based by evil :D23:20
sudobashlol23:35
entitynn23:58

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