[00:00] <Thingus> Too much like work... Sorry, I don
[00:00] <Thingus> don't* play well with others.
[00:00] <TheSheep> that's ok
[00:01] <Ultraputz> sheep - new and fun question: is there anything like rc.d that is launched when you go into sleep or hibernate?
[00:01] <Thingus> So, is there any easy way to downgrade, or do I have to reinstall?
[00:01] <TheSheep> Ultraputz: check the /etc/acpi.d
[00:01] <Ultraputz> ja
[00:01] <Ultraputz> excellent.
[00:01] <Ultraputz> i want something that will force-flush gpg pass on hibernate, etc.
[00:02] <TheSheep> careful, easy to break things
[00:02] <Ultraputz> of course, but linux was built by tinkerers
[00:02] <TheSheep> and remember these scripts run as root
[00:02] <Ultraputz> good point.
[00:04] <Ultraputz> lastly, the ethernet issue -- when i use this machien w/ wifi, everything is fine, no glitches. w/ enet cable plugged in (and this machine, this install, has worked fine over enet) title: "the configuration was not able to load" dialog: "you are not allowe
[00:04] <Ultraputz> d to access the system configuration"
[00:04] <Thingus> Hrm...
[00:04] <Thingus> I just discovered that acpi_sbs doesn't exist.
[00:04] <Ultraputz> i checked /etc/networks/* and the permissions were solid
[00:07] <Thingus> What the deuce...
[00:09] <Thingus> Why?!
[00:09] <Thingus> WTF...
[00:11] <zoredache> vidd: sorry, I was away... I did the upgrade while in the gui running 'sudo update-manager -d' the same as your bug said... As for my specs... I had tested inside a vmware vm
[00:14] <Thingus> Well, what the...?
[00:14] <Thingus> Verbally, I'm cursing very badly, but I know better.
[00:15] <vidd> zoredache, i think its a "real hardware" issue not replicatable in a vm
[00:15] <TheSheep> Thingus: maybe try loading relevant kernel modules manually
[00:15] <Ultraputz> thesheep: noticed something -- the raw capture from OSS was 8 bit
[00:15] <Ultraputz> audacity seems to assume 16 bit inputs
[00:15] <Ultraputz> and the error in strace is a broken attempt to read.
[00:16] <Ultraputz> bbs
[00:16] <Thingus> TheSheep: Tried that.
[00:16] <Thingus> modprobe'd battery
[00:16] <Thingus> ran sudo acpi -V
[00:16] <Thingus> No battery shows up.
[00:17] <Thingus> Just says AC-Adapter: on-lin
[00:17] <Thingus> Guess what...
[00:17] <Thingus> My AC adapter isn't even plugged in. >>
[00:18] <Thingus> Guh... Fine...
[00:18] <Thingus> I guess I'm stuck with Fiesty. ><
[00:18] <Thingus> That means I can't even run AWN, like I wanted to.
[00:19] <Thingus> What irritates me is that I was up until 4AM this morning install Gutsy.
[00:19] <Thingus> And my grammar reflects that lack of sleep. >>
[00:20] <TheSheep> Thingus: why can't you run awn?
[00:20] <Thingus> Bug in XFCE.
[00:21] <Thingus> I was hoping that the Gutsy version would include the patch.
[00:21] <TheSheep> Thingus: that's bug in awn, and it's not fixed in later xfce
[00:21] <TheSheep> Thingus: it doesn't 4.6 does
[00:21] <Thingus> TheSheep: The one that constantly brings AWN into focus?
[00:21] <TheSheep> Thingus: yes
[00:22] <Thingus> I was under the impression that was a bug in XFCE...
[00:22] <TheSheep> Thingus: I was pathcing my xfwm
[00:22] <Thingus> Bah, I dunno.
[00:22] <TheSheep> Thingus: the workaround is in wm, because it was easier to fix it there
[00:22] <TheSheep> Thingus: but the bug is awn's
[00:22] <Thingus> So, I can make it work in Feisty?
[00:23] <TheSheep> Thingus: you can download sources for xfwm, patch it, compile with --prefix=/usr and then replace the binary
[00:23] <TheSheep> Thingus: but it's a little messy
[00:23] <Thingus> That's what I was afraid of... -.-
[00:26] <Thingus> And, I can't even find an ISO for Xubuntu 7.04, anymore...
[00:26] <Thingus> Go figure.
[00:26] <Thingus> I give up.
[00:27] <Thingus> Eh, nevermind... Found it.
[00:28] <Thingus> Guh, there has to be a way...
[00:28] <Thingus> I'll try reinstalling...
[00:28] <Thingus> Gutsy, that is.
[00:28] <zoredache> vidd: if you believe your issue IS related to hardware, you might want to post your hardware into you bug report.  Of course it is also possible you had some additional software installed that I didn't have in my VM maybe?
[00:28] <TheSheep> Thingus: xfce comes with a graphical installer for compiling the sources, btw
[00:29] <vidd> zoredache, it was a vanilla xubuntu install....
[00:30] <zoredache> hrm...
[00:30] <vidd> install ubuntu server, apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, update dapper, then reboot....then run update manager
[00:33] <vidd> i dont think its hardware related....i think it is the way the install handles real hardware that a vm doesnt
[00:33] <zoredache> vidd: that is exactly what I had done
[00:34] <vidd> on a "fake" machine...not a real machine
[00:35] <zoredache> yeah... I don't have a spare computer to test on...  The best I can do for you is to test in a vm..
[01:18] <prin> Hi, does anyone know where my themes are located ?
[01:19] <prin> Not Apps » Settings » etc
[01:19] <prin> but the actual theme files
[01:20] <Ultraputz>  /usr/share prolly
[01:21] <prin> cheers!
[01:23] <j1mc> hi prin you can also store themes inside your home directory.
[01:23] <j1mc> create a folder in your home dir called .themes  you can unpack your theme files into there.
[01:24] <prin> I am trying to install clearlooks compact, but I can´t really seem to get it going.
[01:24] <prin> oh
[01:24] <j1mc> the same can also be done with icons  (folder ~/.icons )
[01:24] <prin> will do
[01:24] <prin> with or without sudo ?
[01:24] <j1mc> .fonts works, too.  :)  you don't need sudo bc it's in your own home directory
[01:25] <prin> of course, silly me
[01:25] <j1mc> however... putting them in your home directory will make them only available to you (not other users on the system)
[01:25] <j1mc> it's easier, though.
[01:25] <prin> That´s fine. I´m the only one on here anyway
[01:25] <j1mc> :)
[01:26] <j1mc> the folder won't normally be visible... you'll need to "show hidden files" for it to be visible, but that's how it works.
[01:26] <prin> Wow, that worked like a charm. Thank you !
[01:27] <j1mc> yw.  :)
[01:27] <j1mc> i've added some documentation for that which will be included in the hardy release.
[01:27] <prin> Is there any way to add tabs to my console, by the way?
[01:27] <j1mc> ctrl-shift-t
[01:28] <prin> hurrah!
[01:28] <prin> Here I was opening up new terminal windows like a multi-milliondollar company in eastern europe
[01:29] <j1mc> :)
[01:35] <prin> New to my 'applications' I have a little firefox logo to fire up firefox. Is there an easy way to add a tiny terminal next to it?
[01:36] <prin> Not a commandline though, just the icon to bring up the program.
[01:36] <j1mc> yes... right-click, and type add new item, and then select launcher
[01:37] <j1mc> in the box that pops up, you can enter "xfce4-terminal" into the command section.
[01:37] <j1mc> (w/o the quotes)
[01:38] <prin> Done
[01:39] <prin> But it looks like I have to go searching for the program I want to run, right?
[01:39] <j1mc> hi hackhalotwo
[01:39] <hackhalotwo> hello
[01:39] <hackhalotwo> the computer beeps at me now lol
[01:39] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: i saw that you joined xubuntu-testing team today
[01:39] <hackhalotwo> yea
[01:39] <hackhalotwo> Alpha3
[01:39] <j1mc> what all were you interested in testing?
[01:40] <hackhalotwo> well, Just the newest Xubuntu
[01:40] <hackhalotwo> My labtop is picky, so I could only install Xubuntu 7.10
[01:40] <j1mc> filing bugs and stuff like that?
[01:40] <hackhalotwo> that too
[01:40] <j1mc> ok
[01:41] <hackhalotwo> I'm trying to find a good Linux OS for my labtop
[01:41] <hackhalotwo> so far (minus the beeping) i like the new alpha
[01:41] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: what drew you to xubuntu?  and when does your computer beep?
[01:41] <hackhalotwo> 1.) because Ubuntu wouldn't install 2.) when you say my name
[01:42] <j1mc> hackhalotwo:
[01:42] <j1mc> beep
[01:42] <j1mc> what irc program are you using?
[01:42] <hackhalotwo> yea
[01:42] <hackhalotwo> chatzilla
[01:42] <hackhalotwo> within Firefox 3b3
[01:43] <j1mc> ah, ok.  what kind of a beep is it?  just the system beep?
[01:43] <hackhalotwo> system beep
[01:43] <hackhalotwo> yea
[01:43] <j1mc> well, i don't think a program like xchat would beep at you like that, but if you want to get rid of that system beep, i can show you how to do it.
[01:43] <hackhalotwo> eh
[01:43] <j1mc> it's easy
[01:44] <hackhalotwo> it's better than nothing
[01:44] <Ultraputz> theSheep: further investigations: JACK allowed audacity to sort-of record for a few seconds. :-)
[01:45] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: ok, well i guess if it gets annoying, you can get rid of it later.  i found it annoying, too, and got rid of it.  you have to blacklist your pcspkr module, that's all.
[01:45] <hackhalotwo> ah
[01:46] <hackhalotwo> i think i can change it within chatzilla
[01:46] <hackhalotwo> just a sec
[01:46] <hackhalotwo> say my name
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> plz
[01:47] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: hi
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> ok, found the beeper
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> try again
[01:47] <j1mc> hackhalotwo: hi
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> no more beep
[01:47] <j1mc> :)
[01:47] <hackhalotwo> sweetness
[01:48] <hackhalotwo> without blacklisting anything
[01:48] <hackhalotwo> XD
[01:48] <j1mc> woo. i just found the blacklisting to be helpful when using backspace on the terminal.
[01:48] <j1mc> going back too far would cause the beep.
[01:49] <hackhalotwo> ah
[01:49] <hackhalotwo> like winders
[01:50] <hackhalotwo> anyway, I want to start coding for Xubuntu is the main reasion for going Linux
[01:51] <j1mc> cool.  what areas are you interested in?
[01:51] <hackhalotwo> basically hardware
[01:52] <hackhalotwo> like the battery monitor
[01:53] <hackhalotwo> because Ubuntu has a prompt that comes up if your battery is busted (like mine)
[01:53] <j1mc> ah, ok.
[01:53] <hackhalotwo> so I want to try to put that into Xubuntu, or help someone if that project has allready been started
[01:54] <j1mc> i think that would be in the Xfce-goodies project.  Xubuntu is based on xfce.
[01:54] <hackhalotwo> right
[01:54] <hackhalotwo> let me look at that now
[01:55] <j1mc> i'd probably recommend joining the #xubuntu-devel channel and talking with mr_pouit.
[01:55] <j1mc> he's the primary packager for xubuntu.  he and cody somerville (somerville32)
[01:55] <hackhalotwo> right
[01:55] <hackhalotwo> sweet, ty
[01:56] <j1mc> working upstream on xfce would be fine, too.  but if you wanted to contribute directly to xubuntu, they could point  you in the right direction.
[01:56] <j1mc> i primarily work on xubuntu docs.
[03:11] <w0ng> is there a way i can disable all menu icons in gutsy?
[03:32] <dezrik> Is there anyway to remove nm-applet
[03:46] <forces> hola!
[03:46] <forces> como vamos aca??
[03:50] <natjo1986> how do i make a live cd to try xubuntu?
[03:51] <forces> make??
[03:52] <forces> why don't download??
[03:52] <natjo1986> well see that is the problem i don't know what to do i'm new at this
[03:53] <forces> www.xubuntu.org
[03:53] <forces> there you can download xubuntu
[03:54] <natjo1986> i'm already downloading 7.10 i just don't know where to go from there because i've never encountered an iso file before
[03:56] <forces> hablas espa;ol???
[03:57] <pleia2> natjo1986: in your cd burning software, burn it as an "iso image" - if you google there are instructions for a lot of different software
[03:57] <pleia2> forces: try #ubuntu-es ?
[03:58] <natjo1986> thank you pleia2 and once it is burned i can run it as a live cd from there?
[03:58] <pleia2> natjo1986: yep :)
[03:58] <forces> no
[03:58] <forces> yo para ayudarle
[03:58] <forces> xDD
[03:59] <forces> I wont to help natjo1986
[03:59] <natjo1986> again pleia2 thank you
[03:59] <pleia2> welcome
[06:07] <jte091805> Hello everyone! I need help. I want to install python 2.5.2 in my xubuntu gutsy
[09:47] <holo> I am trying to run X session automatically by putting su -c startx user in /etc/rc.local, but I get "connection refused: unable to connect to X server"
[09:47] <holo> why I get connection refused?
[09:48] <holo> and if i make it manually, I mean login in tety, and startx it works
[09:58] <Volkodav> I am trying to install pidgin 2.4.0-1 that I got from it's site and I get an error Dependency is not satisfiable: pidgin-data
[10:02] <Volkodav> Also I created another partition and now I can not change the permissions on it I tried chown a+rw /dev/sda3
[10:02] <Volkodav> did not help
[10:02] <Volkodav> still owned by root
[10:09] <gabkdlly> hi Volkodav
[10:09] <Volkodav> hello
[10:10] <gabkdlly> I think permissions data is kept in the filesystem, so you will want to mount your new partition and then try changing the permissions on it
[10:10] <Volkodav> chown 777 /dev/sda3 did not work neither
[10:10] <Volkodav> it is mopunted
[10:10] <Volkodav> *mounted
[10:10] <gabkdlly> it may be mounted, but probably not at /dev/sda3
[10:11] <gabkdlly> use df to see what is mounted where
[10:12] <Volkodav> /dev/sda3              54G  544K   54G   1% /media/sda3
[10:12] <gabkdlly> there you go :)
[10:13] <gabkdlly> you may already have write access
[10:13] <Volkodav> well I did chown 777 /media/sda3
[10:13] <gabkdlly> did it work?
[10:13] <Volkodav> lemme try umount it
[10:13] <Volkodav> not yet
[10:14] <Volkodav> nope
[10:14] <Volkodav> still no go
[10:14] <Volkodav> umount/mount didi not help
[10:14] <Volkodav> darn it
[10:15] <Volkodav> wtf - easy shit does not work]
[10:15] <gabkdlly> I have to admit, I don't know what 777 does
[10:15] <Volkodav> Iprobably need to change group too
[10:15] <gabkdlly> but if you want to change the permissions on something owned by root, you would have to do sudo chown ...
[10:15] <Volkodav> I created root myself
[10:16] <gabkdlly> huh?
[10:16] <Volkodav> created root account and password
[10:17] <gabkdlly> oh, ok
[10:18] <gabkdlly> so, I guess you are logged in as root?
[10:18] <Volkodav> nope
[10:18] <Volkodav> I need to access this partiton as user
[10:19] <gabkdlly> then you either have to sudo or log in as root in order to change permissions on a file owned by root
[10:19] <Volkodav> as root I have full access to it
[10:19] <Volkodav> right
[10:19] <Volkodav> I did that
[10:19] <gabkdlly> ok
[10:19] <gabkdlly> and it did not work?
[10:19] <Volkodav> and it still does not allow to write
[10:19] <Volkodav> no
[10:20] <Volkodav> not for the user
[10:21] <gabkdlly> what does "ls -l /media/sda3" say?
[10:22] <gabkdlly> sorry, I meant "ls -l /media/"
[10:22] <Volkodav> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 6 2008-03-07 15:46
[10:23] <Volkodav> maybe this will help  chmod ugo+rwx /media/sda3
[10:24] <Volkodav> yeap
[10:24] <Volkodav> it worked finally
[10:24] <gabkdlly> cool :)
[10:24] <Volkodav> Thanks for your help gabkdlly
[10:25] <gabkdlly> about your pidgin problem, I guess you will have to get the pidgin-data package from somewhere, maybe a good place to start is asking around at the place where you got the pidgin package
[10:25] <Volkodav> their site lol
[10:25] <Volkodav> I'll look into it
[10:25] <gabkdlly> oh :)
[10:25] <gabkdlly> are you installing from source then?
[10:25] <gabkdlly> I did not see any debian packages on their download page
[10:26] <Volkodav> no - just grabbed ubuntu package
[10:27] <Volkodav> from softpedia I think
[10:27] <Volkodav> http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Pidgin-Download-6.html
[10:29] <gabkdlly> there is a pidgin-data package in the repositories, maybe it would work for you
[10:29] <Volkodav> it might - lemme check
[10:30] <Volkodav> says I already have the newest versioin
[10:31] <gabkdlly> did you try the "Ubuntu 7.10 DEB ALL (Data)" package on your link above ?
[10:32] <Volkodav> nope
[10:32] <Volkodav> I will
[10:35] <Volkodav> it worked
[10:37] <gabkdlly> sweet :)
[10:39] <feanorek> hi, can anyone can tell me why after i installed the restricted ATi drivers, everything is very small in xubuntu ?? When im using firefox i even cant see what im typing into the google search bar !! Chaning font size helps only for the xfce menu,programs etc. but not for firefox @!!
[10:40] <TheSheep> feanorek: apparently the drivers detecs your monitor's dpi wrong
[10:40] <TheSheep> feanorek: shame they cannot be patched
[10:40] <TheSheep> feanorek: but you can force dpi
[10:41] <feanorek> TheSheep, thats possible because ive got an laptop wioth 15,4 inch
[10:41] <feanorek> TheSheep, 1280x800
[10:42] <TheSheep> feanorek: the best way, I think, is to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify your monitor size (physical) in the monitor section
[10:43] <feanorek> TheSheep, what u mean with physical ?
[10:44] <TheSheep> feanorek: real-world
[10:44] <TheSheep> feanorek: take a measure tape and check how large your display is
[10:45] <TheSheep> alternatively, you can try displaing the proprietary drivers and chcking the size with xrandr
[10:45] <feanorek> TheSheep, but whats the command to enter this in xorg ?? width"xxx" length"xxx" or what/
[10:46]  * TheSheep consults 'man xorg.conf'
[10:46] <feanorek> k
[10:46] <TheSheep>  DisplaySize  width height
[10:46] <feanorek> thanks
[10:46] <TheSheep> in millimeters
[10:58] <feanor__> TheSheep, thanks it working well !!!
[11:21] <holo> howto startx automatically without logging manually? I tried su -c startx user but I get connection refused
[11:29] <gabkdlly> it is possible to configure gdm to log one user in automatically
[11:31] <gabkdlly> Applications -> Settings -> Login Window
[11:32] <gabkdlly> then look under the "Security" tab
[12:06] <doktoreas> anyone can suggest a nice python ide for Xubuntu?
[12:06] <doktoreas> without installing too many package
[12:06] <TheSheep> doktoreas: what do you mean by 'nice'?
[12:06] <TheSheep> doktoreas: I like vim foe example...
[12:07] <TheSheep> for*
[12:07] <doktoreas> yep sorry..nice was not the right term :D
[12:07] <doktoreas> i need just syntax highlight
[12:07] <TheSheep> doktoreas: gedit, scite, geany
[12:08] <doktoreas> thx TheSheep I'll check it out
[12:08] <TheSheep> doktoreas: of course vim does syntax highlighting, and you can use cream if you're not vim-compatible
[13:51] <Parsec300> Hi ppl, how do you enable remote desktop in xubuntu?
[13:52] <maxamillion> Parsec300: you want people to be able to connect to your desktop remotely?
[13:59] <Parsec300> maxamillion, yes
[13:59] <Parsec300> maxamillion, Actually, I want to be able to connect to a desktop on my other computer.
[14:04] <TheSheep> Parsec300: then just do 'rdesktop address-of-the-other-computer'
[14:28] <Parsec300> TheSheep, I want another computer (OSX Leopard) to VNC into a xubuntu computer.
[14:28] <TheSheep> Parsec300: vnc or remote desktop? those are completely different things...
[14:29] <Parsec300> TheSheep, I thought that remote desktop works via VNC. At least, in Ubuntu it works through VNC. I have no problem connecting to ubuntu.
[14:30] <TheSheep> Parsec300: Remote Desktop (tm) is a technology developed and patented by Microsoft
[14:31] <TheSheep> VNC, NX, and even remote X11 sessiosn are similar technologie for similar goals, but not necessarily related to that company :)
[14:31] <TheSheep> !vnc
[14:31] <Parsec300> TheSheep, ok, I see what you mean. Ok then, I would like to VNC into xubuntu
[14:31] <ubotwo> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[14:32] <TheSheep> argh, defeated by a bot :D
[14:33] <Parsec300> I've VNC'd into an Ubuntu machine via OSX before, even through ssh, but it doesn't work with xubuntu so far.
[14:33] <TheSheep> Parsec300: you need to have the server running
[14:33] <TheSheep> Parsec300: I think xubuntu doesn't start it by default (not sure if it even installs it)
[14:36] <Parsec300> I've installed VNC4server.
[14:39] <TheSheep> Parsec300: have you configured it and started?
[14:40] <Parsec300> I've run vncserver and trying now.
[14:40] <Parsec300> I've got to go. Be back later. Thanks.
[15:45] <jals> hey is the xubuntu desktop version a live cd too? so i can try it first before installing?
[15:45] <TheSheep> jals: yes
[15:46] <jals> tidy, thanks
[15:52] <indrak> hi folks, how to open the debconf?
[16:44] <feanorek> hi, can anyone tell me where was the directory from where i can delete shortcuts in the xfce menu ?? was it /usr/share or something ?
[16:45] <TheSheep> feanorek: /usr/share/applications, but it's better to copy them to your ~/.local/share/applications and add hidden=yes to them
[16:45] <TheSheep> feanorek: this way you don't impact other users and don't have to repeat it after every update
[16:45] <feanorek> TheSheep, yo thanks !
[16:49] <prin> How do I check my partitions? I think I might have some leftover space hidden on another partition
[16:50] <prin> Nevermind, I just opened gparted, and it seems I
[16:51] <prin> ve got like 1gb of swap or something
[17:00] <Thingus> Okay, so I'm running Feisty, and every time I right click on the desktop, xfdesktop segfaults.
[17:00] <TheSheep> !bug
[17:00] <ubotwo> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:44] <alucardromero> What's the command to query hard drive space??  I forgot.
[17:44] <alucardromero> I'm in TTY
[17:46] <entity> what do i typ to edit xorg.conf from terminal?
[17:46] <feanorek> what modules shall my /etc/X11/xorg.conf load ?? Because i've got only one section: 	Load		"glx" and thats all... im using ATi Mobility Radeon. Can someone tell me?
[17:48] <entity> nvm, didnt got gedit
[17:49] <alucardromero> entity: sudo vim /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[17:50] <TheSheep> alucardromero: that's a pretty bad advice, without telling how to use vim
[17:51] <TheSheep> alucardromero: the command to show free space is df
[17:51] <Parsec300> entity, you can also type 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[17:52] <Parsec300> entity, nano is a more user-friendly editor than vim!
[18:24] <entity> Parsec300: i didnt get nano :D
[18:25] <entity> I installed envy recently, how do I check graphic card info from terminal?
[18:28] <Parsec300> entity, isn't nano installed by default?
[18:29] <entity> get = understand :D but i checked it for like 2sec :D
[18:30] <entity> Parsec300: whats up with ^V etc? how do i press ^V?
[18:30] <Parsec300> nano isn't that dificult. It's sort of a notepad. You can use the keys at the bottom of the screen with the CTRL button
[18:30] <Parsec300> CTRL-V
[18:31] <entity> aha.. and just type the changes as I whant?
[18:32] <entity> well.. that was quite nice :D
[18:32] <entity> but what do i type to check my drivers info in terminal?
[18:33] <entity> -graphic drivers that is
[18:34] <Parsec300> entity. I forgot what to type.
[18:34] <Parsec300> But there's a ton of info on the ubuntu forums about this subject.
[18:34] <Parsec300> What card do you have?
[18:35] <entity> ati igp 340m
[18:35] <entity> ..integrated, and with no support in linux
[18:36] <Parsec300> entity, perhaps for you it is better to stick with the open source ATi driver.
[18:38] <entity> Parsec300: i have tried everything, it seems like. dont remember if i tried open source though
[18:40] <entity> well gonna reboot now after installing envy, hopfully the computer will start correctly :D
[18:40] <Parsec300> good luck
[18:41] <entity> thx
[21:01] <slow-motion> hi
[21:17] <Ven]n> when is /tmp/ cleared?
[21:23] <Thingus> This is why I love Linux
[21:23] <Thingus> I have Avant, custom XFWM, conky and all kinds of nifty stuff going, not even using half my RAM.
[21:23] <Thingus> This laptop is pretty slick.
[21:31] <zoredache> Ven]n: /tmp is usually cleaned when the computer reboots...
[21:32] <Ven]n> ok
[21:33] <zoredache> see the files /etc/init.d/bootmisk.sh and /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh
[21:34] <zoredache> sorry, /etc/init.d/bootclean
[21:44] <slow-motion> n8
[22:11] <entity> so, anyone knows any must have programs?
[22:13] <uninvited> entity i'd say "vi"
[22:13] <entity> uninvited: is that a program name?
[22:13] <sudobash> nano k3b vlc xmms
[22:14] <sudobash> entity yes vi
[22:14] <sudobash> sudo apt-get install vi
[22:14] <entity> is there any cool laptop specific programs? i wouldn't what that could be.. just nice to know :D
[22:14] <sudobash> actually sudo apt-get install vi nano k3b vlc xmms
[22:14] <sudobash> k3b is for cd and DVD burning
[22:15] <sudobash> vi and nano are editors
[22:15] <sudobash> vlc and xmms are media players
[22:15] <entity> aha.. nano comes as standard right?
[22:15] <sudobash> and while your at it through in lynx
[22:15] <sudobash> it is for terminal HTTP and if you are going to do that you might as well get BitchX also for terminal IRC
[22:15] <entity> is it possible to install all apps with sudo apt-get install name
[22:16] <sudobash> a lot of them... other you need to add the appropriate repositories
[22:16] <sudobash> others*
[22:16] <entity> i have tried irssi (or whats its calld) and i liked thatone
[22:16] <sudobash> Xchat is good its what im using now
[22:16] <entity> sudobash: okey
[22:17] <entity> im using konversation, i liked that one
[22:17] <sudobash> yeah i have used both
[22:17] <entity> hmm so the list to install is: k3b, vlc, xmms, vi - do i really need lynx, i never go ungraphic :D
[22:18] <sudobash> Xchat has real time spelling correction
[22:18] <sudobash> yeah lynx is helpful is X crashes and BitchX
[22:18] <sudobash> thats just me though
[22:18] <sudobash> if*
[22:19] <entity> yeah, but i liked konversations layout and settings more than xchat. konversation is more like mirc
[22:19] <sudobash> true
[22:19] <entity> okey.. lynx it is :D but thats text-based browser right?
[22:19] <sudobash> I used to script hardcore in mIRC like live streams into IRC of encrypted code
[22:20] <sudobash> it is powerful you just have to know how to use it properly but mIRC is extremely buggy
[22:20] <sudobash> maybe worse than windows itself
[22:20] <entity> oh , never noticed. i just scripted some bots :D
[22:21] <sudobash> well i was using other code outside of mIRC and it didnt like that much
[22:21] <sudobash> back in the old days
[22:22] <entity> would be nice to have some developing tools, just to see the interface and take a look around :D i dont know anything about linux, but still. a better way to learn :D
[22:22] <sudobash> then add build-essential
[22:22] <entity> what's that?
[22:22] <sudobash> it is easier to code terminal C and C++ apps in linux than in windows
[22:22] <sudobash> by far
[22:23] <entity> oh C# i know enough to work with webdeveloping, and c++ is not long away from c# :D
[22:24] <sudobash> yeah but c# is windows
[22:24] <sudobash> but true
[22:24] <entity> oh, it's C
[22:24] <entity> but developing in c++ should work then
[22:24] <sudobash> yeah but I started with embedded C then went to C then went to C++
[22:24] <entity> okey
[22:25] <sudobash> doesntmatterimstoned
[22:25] <sudobash> you dont have a big gui inlinux  you are basically writing the code in gedit or nano and then compile with gcc or g++ like g++ filename.cpp
[22:26] <entity> the onlything i dont like in linux is the fact it's not windows :D i need flash, visual studio, photoshop, illustrator so i can work from home, and learn more stuff. I just love visual studios
[22:26] <sudobash> yeah visual studios is nice but you should be able to get flash and photoshop and maybe illustrator to work with wine or cedega
[22:27] <entity> oh.. no graphic interface.. that's a bit sad though it's easto learn in graphic-modes
[22:27] <sudobash> you can install GUI
[22:27] <sudobash> but i prefer writing terminal applications that dont need a GUI
[22:27] <sudobash> more efficient for some things
[22:27] <entity> oh, well maybe gUI sound like a good ideá from the beginning
[22:28] <entity> ...w8 a minute, are you stoned :D
[22:28] <sudobash> lol
[22:28] <entity> ^^
[22:29] <sudobash> wait i will give you a good long sudo nano apt-get wait one second
[22:29] <entity> kk
[22:36] <entity> i have heard that linux dont play mp3, and maybe some video formats.. whats the standard for linux. is there someway to convert my windows files. or maybe vlc can play all formats
[22:37] <Ven]n> entity, vlc can play all formats, yes
[22:37] <Ven]n> so can mplayer
[22:37] <entity> oh so its just like in windows
[22:37] <entity> xmms that i installed?
[22:37] <sudobash> sudo apt-get install k3b build-essential xmms vlc wine nmap ssh gftp gpaint
[22:38] <sudobash> and install http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[22:38] <sudobash> no wait
[22:38] <entity> w8ng
[22:38] <sudobash> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=177646
[22:38] <entity> so, plz explain.. :D whats that :D
[22:38] <sudobash> automatix
[22:38] <sudobash> it installs a lot of things that you will want and some that you will not
[22:39] <sudobash> but you decide what to install
[22:39] <entity> should i type sudo in terminal and then dl from the second link ?
[22:39] <sudobash> no follow the directions at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=177646 for automatix but for mine you just copy and paste and takeyou xmms since you already installed them
[22:39] <sudobash> it*
[22:42] <entity> is the website down?
[22:42] <entity> the automatix
[22:45] <entity> well that sux..
[22:47] <sudobash> try going through synaptic to get int
[22:47] <sudobash> maybe you will get lucky
[22:49] <entity> rememeber, im new at linux :D
[22:54] <entity> any programs for my network thats good to have?
[22:56] <sudobash> nmap
[22:56] <sudobash> nessus
[22:56] <sudobash> ssh
[22:57] <sudobash> gftp
[22:58] <entity> sudobash: omg your like an open book of software :D
[22:59] <entity> is it as easy to unistall programs as it is to install them?
[23:02] <sudobash> sudo apt-get remove name
[23:02] <sudobash> yeap:)
[23:03] <sudobash> and it catches all the libraries and everything
[23:03] <entity> hehe nice. that's like the softest thing in linux.. no need to keepup to softwaredevelopers websites
[23:03] <sudobash> debian rocks
[23:03] <sudobash> debian and slackware is all you need
[23:03] <sudobash> :)
[23:03] <entity> ..whats up with debian?
[23:14] <sudobash> Ubuntu is based on debian
[23:14] <sudobash> like Back|Track is based on Slackware
[23:20] <entity> like windows is based by evil :D
[23:35] <sudobash> lol
[23:58] <entity> nn