| sudobash | really? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| subsume | there is another wifi router that has lights a blinking. | 00:00 |
| subsume | yeah. | 00:00 |
| sudobash | so when you plug your client in the 3com it works | 00:00 |
| subsume | there is another 3com | 00:00 |
| subsume | not identical. no hard plugs in the back | 00:00 |
| subsume | anyway, the second 3 com is flashing fine, which leads me to believe that IT is connecting the clients to the server | 00:00 |
| sudobash | this is a strange network i am trying to picture in my mind but i follow | 00:01 |
| subsume | yeah. sorry. it is weird. | 00:01 |
| subsume | there is a blue box up there | 00:01 |
| sudobash | well here is a suggestion to just do a test real quick | 00:01 |
| subsume | with LOTS of connections | 00:01 |
| subsume | and everything is connected to it I guess. | 00:01 |
| subsume | oh wait, sorry, there's a black box too. ugh. | 00:01 |
| subsume | anyway... yeah? test? | 00:02 |
| sudobash | most likely your hard NIC connection you are on right now which is on the net as we speak is running DHCP | 00:02 |
| sudobash | so it got an IP from the router/switch/whatever you plugged it into | 00:02 |
| subsume | ok | 00:02 |
| subsume | and most likely the server is also plugged into it | 00:02 |
| sudobash | so is that the IP in the PM you sent me (ifconfig) | 00:03 |
| sudobash | 192.168.0.150 | 00:03 |
| subsume | its another client connected via wifi to the LAN | 00:03 |
| subsume | yes. 150 | 00:03 |
| sudobash | so 192.168.0.150 is you and you are talking to me right now | 00:03 |
| subsume | nah. I am something else | 00:03 |
| subsume | OS X has ifconfig hopefully | 00:03 |
| sudobash | yes i think so | 00:03 |
| sudobash | tell me your ifconfig in pm | 00:04 |
| sudobash | dont past in channel it might kick you | 00:04 |
| sudobash | paste* | 00:04 |
| subsume | i know. | 00:04 |
| subsume | =) | 00:04 |
| subsume | my ifconfig is weird on my os x | 00:04 |
| subsume | did oyu get that? | 00:05 |
| sudobash | <subsume> macbook:~ y$ ifconfig | 00:06 |
| sudobash | <subsume> . | 00:06 |
| sudobash | it didnt give you anything? | 00:06 |
| sudobash | maybe it got cut off | 00:06 |
| subsume | msg me | 00:06 |
| subsume | my client is stupid | 00:06 |
| subsume | hi all. is there some way to access thin-client error logs? I'm trying to trace the cause of a failed client startup. | 00:48 |
| kgoetz | hi all. just wondering. | 07:11 |
| kgoetz | i saw on the -doc wiki pages that theres meant to be no large scale changes to doco made. does this mean its to late to try and ammend the install guide for edubuntu? | 07:11 |
| RichEd | mr kgoetz sir ... greetings and my opinion | 07:13 |
| RichEd | if the changes will make the users' lives easier, and are signinficant, i will help you make a plan to get them in | 07:14 |
| RichEd | if they are not just signinininificant, but are actually significant even, then doubly so | 07:14 |
| kgoetz | sir RichEd mr , good to see you again | 07:14 |
| kgoetz | i'll see what i can manage re doco then. no promice unfortunately - work is keeping me fairly busy | 07:16 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | arvo :) home again | 08:03 |
| pygi | kgoetz, what we can do tho is do the work post-release, and then I'll also help | 08:27 |
| pygi | it's time we get that on the track again | 08:28 |
| pygi | we had problems with documentation since edubuntu started to exist | 08:28 |
| pygi | Kamping_Kaiser, ^_^ | 08:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | pygi, yeah. perhaps i'll learn to manage my time a little better and fit in actual edu work after release *heh* | 08:50 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i find the new installer quite strange | 09:07 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i should really start using bzr as the RCS it is (and commit stuff after changing) | 09:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | it would seem the alpha6 cds are broken | 10:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | 'no kernel modules were found' :| | 10:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | or am i not meant to use it as a 'install on boot' type cd? hm. | 10:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | theres a sort of add on thing in userland | 10:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | not sure how to use it though | 10:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | think i've got it at least partly sussed | 10:36 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i'll do some work to try and rewrite the handbook tonight | 10:37 |
| ogra_cmpc | RichEd, btw ... http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/classmate/images/8.04/ | 11:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | highvoltage, ^^^ | 11:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'd appreciate some installer testing | 11:47 |
| Nubae | ogra, you around? just a quick question about accessing a remote floppy drive to write to | 11:48 |
| * ogra_cmpc doesnt have any floppies | 11:48 | |
| Nubae | ie, accessing from a thin client, writing to the same thin client's floppy | 11:48 |
| RichEd | ogra_cmpc: url loaded this morning in browser ... image file already in my download tool ... been trying to make space for 600MB target file | 11:48 |
| Nubae | the floppy is installed here right /tmp/.username-ltspfs/floppy0? | 11:48 |
| ogra_cmpc | sblaneav wrote the whole floppy part in ltspfs, he seems to be the only ltsp dev having floppies at all | 11:48 |
| Nubae | hmm, I need to install images to floppies, and the only floppy drives are on my thin clients | 11:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | it should create that mountpoint on the server, yes | 11:49 |
| Nubae | seems silly to install linux just to do that | 11:49 |
| ogra_cmpc | oh | 11:49 |
| RichEd | ogra_cmpc: unrelated ... Kamping_Kaiser / kgoetz had some queries about time left to amend install instructions for the manual | 11:49 |
| RichEd | he is keen to give some input / do some changes / additions | 11:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | why dont you just boot a client with SCREEN_02=shell and do it in the client console then with direcdt access | 11:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | Nubae, you will need to dd the image to the device, dd wont work overthe net, it needs direct access to the hw anyway | 11:50 |
| RichEd | ogra_cmpc: scroll back and read when you have a chance and comment here or to me and karl by email | 11:50 |
| RichEd | ta | 11:50 |
| ogra_cmpc | will do during that day | 11:51 |
| * ogra_cmpc just tries to get awake after staying up until 5am last night | 11:51 | |
| Nubae | ah, thanks, didnt think of that | 11:51 |
| RichEd | ogra_cmpc: i guessed you were either sleep deprived, or still busy with an extended monday :) | 11:51 |
| ogra_cmpc | yeah | 11:52 |
| RichEd | that's why i left you in peace so far today | 11:52 |
| RichEd | but kudos on the 8.04 image | 11:52 |
| ogra_cmpc | need to get the daily builds running, i want to be done with the automation before beta | 11:52 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc, ah, thanks, I've been meaning to ask you for that link again | 11:53 |
| * highvoltage initiallises download | 11:54 | |
| ogra_cmpc | RichEd, oh, btw, any news from jill wrt artwork .... time is getting tight, i fear we'll have to release with 7.10 artwork if we dont get anything this week | 11:54 |
| RichEd | i'll poke her today ... in a manner of speaking | 11:54 |
| ogra_cmpc | ok | 11:54 |
| RichEd | i presume no actual action from the flurry of talk on the main art-work thread | 11:55 |
| ogra_cmpc | hrmm, at least a fresh wallpaper would be nice ... | 11:55 |
| ogra_cmpc | but given the beuty of the hardy one in ubuntu we have no big chances anyway | 11:56 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | and a slightly less angy red ;) | 11:56 |
| ogra_cmpc | *BEAUTY | 11:56 |
| ogra_cmpc | oops | 11:56 |
| ogra_cmpc | damed caps | 11:56 |
| ogra_cmpc | Kamping_Kaiser, angry ? | 11:56 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ogra_cmpc, map caps to another control. works a treat | 11:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | thats christmas red :) | 11:57 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ogra_cmpc, really? i find it 'temper reducing' red :) | 11:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, its only the window borders anyway :) | 11:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yeah | 11:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | and apparently ubuntu followed our orange in the gtk theme with hardy | 11:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i noticed it was a bit orangy - it converted quite hapily into edubuntu though | 11:59 |
| highvoltage | hmm, I'll have to go get a 1GB usb disk | 12:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | does the edubuntu expantion cd work with kubuntu, or just ubuntu? | 12:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | Kamping_Kaiser, noetworkless will only work with ubuntu | 12:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | *networkless | 12:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ogra_cmpc, thanks for that | 12:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | *notes* | 12:01 |
| ogra_cmpc | but with working network you can install it anywhere | 12:01 |
| ogra_cmpc | the packages on the CD only depend on ubuntu desktop atm ... | 12:01 |
| ogra_cmpc | so you will miss libs on kde | 12:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i was just making notes for a rewrite of the install instructions, so i thought i'd ask about that | 12:02 |
| * ogra_cmpc scratches his head ... | 12:03 | |
| ogra_cmpc | i have two identical classmates ... both were installed from the new image last night .... | 12:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | on both i installed htop after install | 12:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | if i boot them both and run a bare desktop one uses 120M and the other one uses 204 | 12:04 |
| Nubae | can I do anything but restart the server when this happens in my chroot: umount /proc | 12:04 |
| Nubae | umount: /proc: device is busy | 12:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | thats... bizzare | 12:04 |
| * ogra_cmpc doesnt understand how thats possible | 12:04 | |
| ogra_cmpc | Nubae, type: mount | 12:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | it should give you a full path | 12:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | unmount the full path, not only /proc | 12:05 |
| Nubae | thanks that worked | 12:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | bleh. i broke my docbook again | 12:39 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | who do i ping about shipit.edubuntu.org ? in two lines it uses "Edubuntu" then "EdUbuntu", and i think the latter needs fixing :) | 13:41 |
| ogra | i think mailing shipit@ubuntu.com would help, not sure there is something in LP to file bugs though | 13:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i'll do that. thanks | 13:43 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ogra, is the addon cd supposed to have d-i on it? | 13:50 |
| ogra | no, but gfxboot ... there is a bug open | 13:51 |
| ogra | i have to build a custom screen for that without menu | 13:51 |
| * Kamping_Kaiser goes to find out what gfxboot is | 13:51 | |
| ogra | the cd bootscreen with the installer menu | 13:52 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i'm assuming that your meant to boot up ubuntu then install edubuntu from in there, not as a bootup thing? | 13:52 |
| ogra | you asked about d-i on the addon cd | 13:53 |
| ogra | not about ubuntu :) | 13:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yeah i did | 13:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | the only way i worked out to use the addon cd was load ubuntu then install edubuntu from in there | 13:54 |
| RichEd | Kamping_Kaiser: cc me in that shipit test ... we need to chat tomorrow at the weekly meeting about knock on effects of the name changes | 13:55 |
| RichEd | ta | 13:55 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. meeting | 13:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | RichEd, do you have an @ubuntu address? | 13:58 |
| RichEd | yes richard@ | 14:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | what time is the meeting? | 14:01 |
| RichEd | ta | 14:01 |
| RichEd | tomorrow is 12h00 UTC i think | 14:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | bugger. | 14:02 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i'm probably at SA AUUG still (but i will try to make it) | 14:02 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | night all. | 14:07 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i'll probably not look at edubuntu today (which it is for me currently), but perhaps in a few days after this | 14:07 |
| === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd | ||
| Sir_Remoz | hi | 16:49 |
| highvoltage | 48% [++++++++++++=====> ] 435,876,407 26.21K/s ETA 7:41:23 (*sigh*) | 17:47 |
| * LaserJock sends highvoltage some real internet | 17:50 | |
| highvoltage | :) | 17:51 |
| highvoltage | how are things in LaserWorld? | 17:51 |
| LaserJock | uggg | 17:52 |
| LaserJock | grading lab reports | 17:52 |
| highvoltage | ah. well, at least you get to play with lasers. | 17:53 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 17:53 |
| LaserJock | our new one is sweet | 17:53 |
| LaserJock | very quiet | 17:53 |
| highvoltage | seen this? http://www.geekologie.com/2008/03/hercules_laser_sounds_powerful.php | 17:54 |
| highvoltage | that would really look nice in my bedroom. | 17:54 |
| LaserJock | geeze, that is hawwwt | 17:57 |
| highvoltage | 20 billion trillion watts. I kind of find it hard to believe, but I'm not qualified to argue with such numbers :) | 17:59 |
| highvoltage | i mean, 300 terrawatts | 17:59 |
| LaserJock | I think my laser is 200 megawatts | 18:00 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | LaserJock, there is a hardy classmate image btw | 18:00 |
| LaserJock | I saw something in -devel about that ;-) | 18:00 |
| LaserJock | I'll have to grab it and give it a go | 18:00 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | yeah | 18:00 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: mine is coming down slowly but surely, about halfway now | 18:00 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | its a real installer now | 18:01 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: it will be done by the morning | 18:01 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: wow, that's still a lot of energy | 18:01 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: btw, does the installer enable swap by any chance? | 18:01 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: it is | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | heh, no | 18:02 |
| LaserJock | and I stuck my finger in it the other day | 18:02 |
| LaserJock | made a loud snap | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | i dont want to be sued for trashing flashdisks within a week of operation | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | highvoltage, you cant swap to flash | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | at least if you want to keep it alive for a while | 18:02 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | flash has limited amounts of write operations before it dies | 18:03 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: hmm, ok. I swap to flash quite often. I think that they last longer than people give them credit for, but then again, I don't want you to be sued either, so it's best to play it safe :) | 18:03 |
| highvoltage | so do hard disks. | 18:03 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | well, thats a1:100000 ratio | 18:03 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | flash devices dies way earlier | 18:04 |
| highvoltage | i used to swap to my one flash disk for more than a year. it's a pity I lost it, I would've liked to know how long it would've lasted | 18:04 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | *die | 18:04 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: are there plans to increase memory, or to decrease memory usage? | 18:04 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: or should I first check the new image before I ask more questions? :) | 18:04 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | try the image | 18:04 |
| LaserJock | ogra: does Jane know about your auntie-silber folder? ;-) | 18:04 |
| highvoltage | ok | 18:04 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: oO | 18:04 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | LaserJock, not sure | 18:05 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | but it was like a fairytale session | 18:05 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | so i had to take pics :) | 18:05 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: maybe this idea is just as crazy as swapping to flash... | 18:09 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: but would it be viable for the classmates to find a "swap server" over the network with avahi or something and swap to there like in LTSP? | 18:09 |
| highvoltage | hmm, ok already see the flaw in it | 18:10 |
| LaserJock | ewww | 18:10 |
| highvoltage | if they're out of wireless range their machines would die :-/ | 18:10 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | technically it would be possible though :) | 18:10 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: well, slow swap would at least be better than now swap on low memory systems | 18:10 |
| highvoltage | *no | 18:10 |
| LaserJock | well | 18:10 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | yeah, you dont want network swapping via lan | 18:10 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | err | 18:10 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | wlan | 18:10 |
| highvoltage | *nod* | 18:11 |
| LaserJock | swap coming in-and-out is worse than no swap | 18:11 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | and to be honest i dont see a real ne4ed for swap | 18:11 |
| LaserJock | as I go around the house ;-) | 18:11 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: heh, I see your fingers haven't gotten smaller yet :) | 18:11 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | i'm currently running ff with three tabs open, xchat with about 20 channels and three gnome terminals here | 18:11 |
| LaserJock | ff3? | 18:11 |
| LaserJock | that's quite a bit | 18:12 |
| highvoltage | no kde applications though? | 18:12 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | ff3 | 18:12 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | htop shows i'm using 173M | 18:12 |
| highvoltage | ooh, htop FTW! | 18:12 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | still more than 60 free :) | 18:12 |
| highvoltage | ok, that's a big improvement on the old image then. | 18:13 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | g-a-i is usable (with unuverse disabled at least) | 18:13 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | *universe | 18:13 |
| LaserJock | heck of a lot better than Windows | 18:13 |
| highvoltage | I considered making a spec for making htop the default in ubuntu, but I don't think the old gaurd would ever want to approve it. | 18:13 |
| LaserJock | I could have pretty much only 1 major app open at a time | 18:13 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | sadly it needs more than 100M for the package cache if you use universe | 18:13 |
| LaserJock | ahh | 18:14 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: besides that, how well does windows run from flash? | 18:14 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: shew, I never realised that | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: surprisingly well | 18:14 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | highvoltage, no, htop is surely nothing for having it by default ... but it should be in main (and probably shipped on teh cd) | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | it's responsive, apps load fairly well | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | just run out of memory easily | 18:14 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: *nod* | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | I couldn't even install acrobat reader because it ran out of memory during install ;-) | 18:15 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: but doesn't ubuntu have a policy to not have two of the same type of tools in main? | 18:15 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | win is a bit sparse if it comes to apps | 18:15 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | :) | 18:15 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: or has that been changed? | 18:15 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | it has been ignored for a while | 18:15 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: hah! | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: for some value of "same" | 18:15 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | else xfce would never have made it to main :) | 18:15 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: ok, I always thought they could be a bit more leniant on that rule | 18:15 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: for one, I really think dnsmasq should be in main | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | the goal is to minimize duplicates | 18:16 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | the whole support system is changing though | 18:16 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: but I'll get that fixed when I'm core-dev one day :) | 18:16 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | the infrastructure is able to build images from universe ... so xubuntu moved out of main | 18:16 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | that will result in more drops from main | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | but next it'll all go away :-) | 18:17 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | probably | 18:17 |
| highvoltage | what do you mean, LaserJock? | 18:17 |
| highvoltage | ah, the seperation between main and universe? | 18:17 |
| LaserJock | yes | 18:17 |
| highvoltage | cool, one big main like in debian. | 18:17 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | ?? | 18:18 |
| highvoltage | then we'll freeze up more cmpc's :) | 18:18 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | debian has separation as we do | 18:18 |
| highvoltage | or you, at least. I can't take credit for something like that yet. | 18:18 |
| highvoltage | well, their main and universe is combined at least | 18:18 |
| LaserJock | not a Main/Universe separation | 18:18 |
| highvoltage | they just seperate on licencing afaik | 18:18 |
| LaserJock | a Main/Multiverse type separation | 18:18 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | right | 18:18 |
| highvoltage | yep | 18:18 |
| highvoltage | fedora also had that kind of seperation, also joined it together a while back. | 18:19 |
| LaserJock | dang it, Hardy's going to fast | 18:21 |
| * ogra_cmpc_ curses intel once more for not providing a reset button | 18:22 | |
| highvoltage | that's not Intel-unique. notbooks generally don't have them :) | 18:30 |
| LaserJock | ogra_cmpc_: get my pm? | 18:32 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | yes ... i always forget you cant read me | 18:32 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | its the right url | 18:33 |
| LaserJock | danke | 18:33 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | :) | 18:33 |
| LaserJock | I was at my grandfather's house over the weekend | 18:33 |
| LaserJock | and he had a DVD of flying over Germany shot from a helicopter | 18:34 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | training your german ? | 18:34 |
| LaserJock | they had some really awesome shots of some of the castles | 18:34 |
| * ogra_cmpc_ woders why all people alwas learn their german from war movies ... | 18:34 | |
| LaserJock | I think it was mostly Bavaria that I saw | 18:34 |
| LaserJock | hahaha | 18:34 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | scotties favorite is das boot | 18:35 |
| LaserJock | it's what we've got | 18:35 |
| LaserJock | heh | 18:35 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | and he can quote accentfree from that | 18:35 |
| LaserJock | yes, I can do a pretty good "English with German accent" ;-) | 18:35 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | yeah its awkward to come from a country thats known for its killing devices and poison mixing skills | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | not so great with the "German with an English accent" | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | I think of the great philosophers and scientists | 18:36 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | about 150 years ago, yes | 18:36 |
| LaserJock | there's still a lot of science | 18:37 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | inded | 18:37 |
| LaserJock | lots of people here go to German for post-doctoral work | 18:37 |
| LaserJock | *Germany | 18:37 |
| highvoltage | ogra_cmpc_: if it's any consolation, here in South Africa we also *really* love your cars :) | 18:37 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | but the times where my country brounght up people like einstein kant or goethe are definately over | 18:38 |
| highvoltage | (and general German design) | 18:38 |
| highvoltage | well, an ogra is better than nothing. | 18:38 |
| highvoltage | *duck* | 18:38 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | lol | 18:38 |
| LaserJock | yeah, we got ogra! | 18:38 |
| LaserJock | and some say dholbach but he's really french so he doesn't count ;-) | 18:38 |
| highvoltage | really!? | 18:39 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | i'm just a slacker that found the easiest way to slack paid ... | 18:39 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: don't forget asac | 18:39 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: no, I just tease him about being so huggy | 18:39 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: aaah :) | 18:39 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | hehe | 18:39 |
| LaserJock | german people aren't supposed to be so huggy and smiley :-) | 18:39 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | that were our grandparents :) | 18:40 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 18:41 |
| LaserJock | there's a german lady that is my grandmother's sister-in-law | 18:41 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | its like the myth that we all eat kraut all the time :) | 18:41 |
| LaserJock | and she's always at my grandfather's house | 18:41 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: it's a good thing he is german, otherwise http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/album/udsparis2006/800_PICT0136.jpg.html would've been even *more* inacurate! | 18:41 |
| LaserJock | ugg, kraut | 18:42 |
| LaserJock | that stuff smells so awful | 18:42 |
| LaserJock | I'll take the sausage, but leave the kraut | 18:42 |
| highvoltage | I didn't know what kraut was, so I asked a bot: | 18:42 |
| highvoltage | <Spinach> highvoltage: Kraut n : offensive terms for a person of German descent [syn: {Kraut}, {Krauthead}, {Boche}, {Jerry}, {Hun}] | 18:42 |
| highvoltage | is that right? | 18:43 |
| LaserJock | heh | 18:43 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 18:43 |
| LaserJock | but we're talking about sauerkraut | 18:44 |
| highvoltage | aah | 18:44 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | yeah | 18:44 |
| highvoltage | <Spinach> highvoltage: sauerkraut n : shredded cabbage fermented in brine | 18:46 |
| highvoltage | I've been meaning to blog about this... but about two weeks ago, I bought a mac mini | 18:47 |
| highvoltage | played a bit with OSX too. | 18:47 |
| highvoltage | I had such high expectations for OSX, I must say that it's given me a new appreciation for Gnome | 18:47 |
| LaserJock | pfft | 18:48 |
| LaserJock | you gotta get used to it | 18:48 |
| highvoltage | there are often people who complain that Gnome is too simplistic, and doesn't have enough features. | 18:48 |
| highvoltage | but OSX is way more extreme like that. | 18:48 |
| LaserJock | I'm a big OS X fan, except for the app install/maintenance | 18:48 |
| highvoltage | it feels too simplistic even for a gnome user like me :) | 18:48 |
| highvoltage | oh yes, the app install part is absolutely horrible. | 18:49 |
| highvoltage | I'd say even worse than windows | 18:49 |
| LaserJock | don't know if I'd *quite* go there, but it's interesting | 18:49 |
| highvoltage | I'm still not sure what I do wrong, but sometimes when I drag an application to Applications, it seems to install it fine from the installtion image, but then after a reboot, the installation image is gone again, and so is the app | 18:49 |
| LaserJock | weird, I've never had that I don't think | 18:50 |
| highvoltage | OSX is snappy at least. it has a real low-latency feel to it. | 18:50 |
| highvoltage | and I like the hardware, the remote that comes with it is also quite nice to have. | 18:50 |
| highvoltage | I think being not-used-to-a-BSD-like-system also annoyed me a bit | 18:51 |
| highvoltage | I'm terribly used to be able to do things like cat /proc/filesystems | 18:51 |
| highvoltage | (and also to systems that support a wide variety of filesystems, since I'm on that topic) | 18:51 |
| highvoltage | but... I've installed Ubuntu on it, and it flies | 18:51 |
| LaserJock | you could always run KDE on it if you don't like the DE ;-) | 18:52 |
| highvoltage | I'm tempted to try that. | 18:52 |
| highvoltage | I'd even like to install Windows somewhere just to see how KDE would run on it. | 18:52 |
| highvoltage | but that's quite low on my priority list. :) | 18:53 |
| LaserJock | I gotta re-figure out squeak's license | 18:56 |
| highvoltage | never looked at it. which license is it under? or is it their own license? | 18:57 |
| LaserJock | the VM that is. first we had it as the squeak license, then the upstream guys say it's GPL, now I think it's some weird GPL+ | 18:57 |
| highvoltage | GPL+? | 18:57 |
| LaserJock | GPL + added "stuff" | 18:58 |
| highvoltage | I find that terribly wierd. | 18:58 |
| LaserJock | there are 3 different licensing files in the source | 18:58 |
| highvoltage | I've seen one guy saying that all his stuff is GPL, with a custom exception that it may not be used for commercial derivative work. | 18:58 |
| LaserJock | heh, yeah | 18:59 |
| highvoltage | that kind of defeats the purpose of using a GPL license in the first place. | 18:59 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: is it licensed used for different pieces of source, or is it all multi-licensed? | 19:00 |
| LaserJock | perhaps | 19:00 |
| LaserJock | "(If you received this file as part of a Squeak distribution then please stop here and refer instead to the copyright notices in the individual files and to those in the file `LICENSE'.)" | 19:01 |
| LaserJock | that's the top of the COPYRIGHT file that has the GPL | 19:02 |
| LaserJock | now I | 19:02 |
| LaserJock | I'm not really sure what he means by "Squeak distribution" | 19:02 |
| LaserJock | but I'm guessing that's when you ship a squeak image along with the VM since the squeak image is licensed under the Squeak license | 19:02 |
| LaserJock | we have them broken up, so I'm guessing we don't have to worry about that | 19:03 |
| highvoltage | yeah | 19:04 |
| LaserJock | however | 19:04 |
| LaserJock | this is the COPYING file in the same dir: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5588/ | 19:04 |
| highvoltage | wow, what an awfully written license | 19:06 |
| highvoltage | (no offence to squeak) | 19:06 |
| highvoltage | hmm, it seems to say that if you derive, you must replace the license with a GPLv2 license | 19:07 |
| highvoltage | (line 68 and down) | 19:08 |
| highvoltage | oh, sorry, I misunderstood | 19:08 |
| highvoltage | or did I? | 19:08 |
| LaserJock | I think that's about it | 19:08 |
| highvoltage | it's a bit ambiguous for me. | 19:08 |
| highvoltage | it's quite interesting then. | 19:09 |
| LaserJock | I've read that his licensing was to make it so that it could be both GPL'd and be included in squeak (which is not GPL-compatible) | 19:09 |
| LaserJock | so I think this is a try at a dual-license | 19:09 |
| highvoltage | a non-gpl'd piece of software, that can have gpl derivatives. | 19:09 |
| highvoltage | why do squeak license under their own license? business purposes? | 19:10 |
| LaserJock | it was Apple actually | 19:11 |
| LaserJock | the code was mostly written by Apple | 19:11 |
| LaserJock | they're now working on making it MIT | 19:11 |
| highvoltage | aah | 19:13 |
| LaserJock | in the mean time I have to deal with this :-) | 19:15 |
| LaserJock | gotta run to teach | 19:16 |
| LaserJock | cya all | 19:17 |
| highvoltage | bye LaserJock. good luck with the teacjing :) | 19:17 |
| highvoltage | woops | 19:17 |
| Briareos_ | how do i know which directory to provide for the "filename" of the dhcpd.conf for etherboot? | 20:22 |
| Briareos_ | i ran ltsp-update-kernels and it told me `/opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz' -> `/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/vmlinuz' | 20:23 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: hi, did you poke pitti/slangasek about italc's FFe ? I have updated my patch to apply on 1.0.7 | 20:27 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: the UI seems almost the same, I just noticed some icons change and the Userlist panel removed | 20:27 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: I also found a MMX related bug on amd64 which will be fixed very soon (I basically just need to catch Tobias on Jabber :)) | 20:28 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: everything else works "just fine", no more warning/error message in the console, UI seems faster and I haven't been able to trigger a VNC bug (yet ...) | 20:28 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I think we may want to try to update gcompris | 21:31 |
| LaserJock | do you think it'd be too late for a FFe? | 21:31 |
| slashdotfx | !seen elisboa | 22:52 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about seen elisboa - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 22:52 |
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