[00:02] Riddell: bug 188415. looks like the gtk-qt4 engine is ready and he has questions about packaging it [00:02] Malone bug 188415 in gtk-qt-engine "GTK themes doesn't work properly in KDE4" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188415 [00:16] Ok, goodnight. [00:16] Hopefully, release tomorrow. [00:16] yuriy: comment added [00:16] * Riddell sleeps too [00:23] evening [00:41] Riddell: Where does guidance-powermanager send stderr? [01:12] Riddell: does he have the info from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig?highlight=%28grub%29 or is it just a straight port? === vorian is now known as vorian_ [05:18] * serega yawns [05:18] morning! === czessi_ is now known as Czessi === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:08] Morning. [09:10] Riddell: Please don't forget to sync those two and notify me... I'll prep an upload of alpha4 in the meantime. [09:14] Riddell: I'm really concerned by flash segfaulting sometimes [09:14] Riddell: 30% as a ratio, I'd say [09:15] On Hardy or Gutsy? [09:18] GTK-Qt engine for Qt4 is released, any chance to get it in Kubuntu's KDE4 version? [09:18] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/GTK-QT+Theme+Engine?content=9714&PHPSESSID=8fda381b625e4024961cb1b956d377e5 [09:22] now with FD.o's icon theme standard, works much better.Gimp looks really like a kde4 application [09:25] * Jucato has a term for that... but NSFW :P [09:26] huh? [09:26] hads: hardy [09:26] hads: should also happen on gutsy I suspect since the patches are the same [09:26] emilsedgh: forgive the language. "icing on shit" :D [09:27] emilsedgh: sure we will, but not for hardy [09:27] hehe [09:27] Tonio_: oh why? are you in a freeze? [09:27] Tonio_: Interesting. I get 100% segfaults on Gutsy, pretty much 0% on Hardy. [09:27] emilsedgh: yep, feature freeze [09:27] oh [09:28] i didnt knew [09:28] hads: hum, there was a backport on gutsy [09:28] hads: I think feisty updates repo, but I'm unsure [09:28] hads: I don't use gutsy since hardy dev cycle was opened [09:28] emilsedgh: release is in about a month now, so only bugfix updates are authorized [09:29] Tonio_: I only have one Gutsy box left, it hasn't bothered me enough to look into it TBH [09:29] hehe [09:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey.. [09:35] _StefanS_: building the kwin crystal package right now [09:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah sweet :D [09:36] _StefanS_: binary packages are really a pain in the ass to play with..... [09:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know, thats why I got you to to it haha :D [09:38] <_StefanS_> Riddell: was that mir request any good? [09:39] _StefanS_: do you want to change the default from kwin-style-crystal to qtcurve ? [09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, I dont think we can do that just yet, as its in universe [09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, I dont think we can do that just yet, as its in universe [09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I wrote a mir request, but not sure when it will be approved [09:41] hum I'm not a fan of those new buttons........ [09:41] the "hover" effect is almost unvisible...... [09:41] _StefanS_: fancy testing the deb ? [09:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sure, hit me [09:41] _StefanS_: please accept the dcc sending ;) [09:43] _StefanS_: ping ? [09:45] _StefanS_: uploaded, but I don't understand why changing that was nice (gutsy/feisty) for something that is a lot worse.... [09:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sorry was just out, my daugther caught her fingers in something [09:45] _StefanS_: no need of crystal if we don't use the fade or make it invisible...... [09:45] _StefanS_: no pb [09:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: err you dont like the buttons? [09:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and please resend that dcc [09:46] bah the fade effect on hover is unvisible..... [09:46] _StefanS_: http://www.toniox.org/temp [09:46] <_StefanS_> yep, but we can fix that easily [09:46] _StefanS_: buttons are nice, the efects sucks [09:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its just a matter of adjusting the grey [09:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you fix the button in the kcm config ? [09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: looks like the feisty one imho [09:48] <_StefanS_> gotta eat, brb [09:49] _StefanS_: I just updated with your tar emailed [09:49] _StefanS_: yep, looks almost like feisty without the effect.... [09:49] not as good [09:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I guess its a matter of preference (isnt it always), but I like that fact that the button-border are drawn equally around them [09:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not like currently where they fade out in the bottom [09:58] _StefanS_: whatever the effect is, it has to be visible imho [09:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes I agree [10:17] ScottK: same place as stdout I expect [10:17] seele: I don't know [10:18] _StefanS_: yes, pitti says he'll look at it today [10:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: perfect, thanks :) [10:18] Riddell: do you know an easy way to upper a i18n output ? [10:19] insertItem( pictures, i18n( "pictures" ), false, "folder_image" ); [10:19] Riddell: that's the reason why speedbar items aren't going upper [10:19] Riddell: too late to change the sources from "picture" to "Picture" right ? [10:21] Riddell: I'm currently building testing this [10:21] maybe those are already translated, since we load the xdg dirs catalog [10:25] Tonio_: string = i18n( "pictures" ) [10:25] first = string.left(1).upper() [10:26] Riddell: okay [10:26] newString = first + string.mid(1) [10:27] Riddell: isn't there a function doing automagically the first of any work upper ? [10:30] could be but not that I know of [10:31] Riddell, sync request made, I've subscribed you and -archive [10:32] Riddell: doesn't look like indeed.... I'll have to write a function for this then [10:53] Mez, mornfall: syncs done [10:57] Riddell, sweet [11:16] ah, Artemis_Fowl [11:16] Riddell: yeah? [11:16] Artemis_Fowl: seele wanted to know if you've seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig [11:17] Riddell: actually no [11:19] Artemis_Fowl: also I had an interesting usecase for a grub editor [11:19] Artemis_Fowl: someone who has had their grub setup wiped out by windows [11:19] there's a need for a tool which can be run from a live CD to reinstall grub on a disk's boot record [11:20] Riddell: grub-install can do the work. am I right? [11:20] yes [11:20] Riddell: well [11:20] but for people who don't know about the command line [11:20] i am planning on including this [11:20] in KGRUBEditor [11:20] you're a genius! :) [11:20] look [11:21] I can create somehow a KControl module [11:21] for KGRUBEditor [11:21] but I thought that a stand-alone application would be better [11:21] also [11:21] either is fine, I think I'd have a slight preference for a KControl module [11:22] I am planning to include some nifty UI for some grub tools such as grub-install [11:22] in the next releases [11:22] great [11:23] the thing is I have no experience with KControl moduling and would take me several time to do such a module [11:23] oh, wait. Where should GRUB config editor go? In KDE's control center or in Kubuntu's? [11:24] Riddell: just a quick fyi if you didnt notice, ubotu is broken, so we have ubot3. ubotu is expected back tomorrow at the earliest. If we have double working bots at some stage, nalioth has requested that we mute ubot3 not kick/remove [11:29] Riddell: I just read all the use-cases. All of them are already supported by KGRUBEditor (including yours) except for the translated thing. KGRUBEditor is not yet translated, but it will start soon [11:29] jussi01: ok [11:30] Artemis_Fowl: both KDE and Kubuntu use the same System Settings app for KControl modules [11:31] Riddell: I am just changing some things according to KDE's Semantic Message Markup (http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Semantics) [11:31] in order for th strings to be more easily translated [11:31] Semantic Markup of Messages is btw a really nice idea [11:32] Artemis_Fowl: kgrubeditor seems like a good candidate for KDE's kdeadmin module [11:32] Riddell: yeah? It is platform dependent though [11:32] Riddell: it may run on Windows but won't work as expected [11:33] Windows/Mac etc* [11:34] Artemis_Fowl: that's a problem for the KDE Windows people :) [11:37] Riddell: Cool. [11:37] Thanks. [11:40] Riddell: Concerning theming, there is no issue (KGRUBEditor already supports splash images) but [11:40] I think it would be really nice to have a 'Get Hot New Stuff' button in order to download GRUB splash themes from kde-look.org. [11:40] There is a hindrance though: GRUB themes are under the Bootsplash themes category in kde-look.org [11:40] along with Gfxboot themes [11:40] and other things [11:41] Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/capture84.png [11:41] Riddell: seems to work simply by changing the string to i18n [11:41] They should create a separate category for GRUB themes for such a feature to occur [11:41] Riddell: I just miss an icon for documents and I upload [11:43] Tonio_: try folder-txt [11:43] Artemis_Fowl: yep [11:43] Artemis_Fowl: I first have to find out which patch adds it ;) [11:49] Artemis_Fowl: found it, and indeed, folder-txt seems a good choice [11:50] Tonio_: which one was? [11:50] which patch ? [11:50] not any patch in fact [11:50] the issue is in kde upstream, looks like..... [11:51] it loads a "documents" icon, which doesn't exist in the default theme [11:51] Artemis_Fowl: I'm fixing this in the kubuntu_93_speedbar_xdg_user_dirs.diff kdelibs patch [11:51] seems the right place [11:53] Tonio_: I have icons in my file-open dialogues currently [11:54] not any icon ? [11:55] I have all the icons [11:55] hum...... [11:55] http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/icons.png [11:55] Riddell: indeed [11:55] Riddell: I'm not missing the Documents icon, that's the icon ;) [11:56] Riddell: folder_txt look better for the document part, especially with crystalsvg.... [11:56] Riddell: I know that's not a priority, but the patch is done already, and changelog ready [11:56] Riddell: no poblem is I change ? [11:57] s/is/if [11:57] I don't like the current one cause it doesn't look like a folder in fact... [11:58] fine with me [11:58] oki let's upload then [11:59] Riddell: concerning the other folder names, I manually patched for first char opened [11:59] Riddell: those strings are already translated too [11:59] so s/video/Video etc..... [12:01] apachelogger, Nightrose: could one of you submit the dot article when it's ready [12:01] Riddell: I'll also try to investigate concerning flash support [12:01] Riddell: what about the flash downloader thing ? where you able to fix it ? [12:02] Riddell: sure I can do it [12:02] Riddell: just waiting for a few more pics === \sh is now known as \sh_away [12:05] Tonio_: yes, it's in k-d-s to be uploaded shortly [12:05] Riddell: super [12:05] Riddell: who is the rosetta guy to ping for missing kdesudo.mo in langpacks ? [12:06] I never remember is nick [12:08] Tonio_: carlos [12:09] Riddell: I put a note on that one :) [12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can you fix that icon? [12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm seeing it too [12:11] _StefanS_: which one ? [12:11] <_StefanS_> Documents [12:11] _StefanS_: kdelibs already uploaded [12:11] _StefanS_: you'll have a nice icon toonight [12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet :) nice to hear that [12:12] _StefanS_: there is no bug in there, just that the icon is not a good choice.... it doesn't show a folder [12:18] Riddell: what about kde menus not translated ? [12:18] Riddell: any news reguarding to that bug ? [12:18] Tonio_: never heard of it [12:19] Riddell: hum, lemme find the bug id [12:19] Riddell: to make it simple, the menu bar in kde is mostly in english [12:19] some items are translated [12:20] Tonio_: screenshot? [12:20] Riddell: yep [12:21] Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/capture85.png [12:21] "help" is in french, all the menu in english [12:21] that happened about 10 days ago [12:21] I can confirm this [12:22] it's not finding kde.po [12:22] what changed 10 days ago? [12:22] dunno [12:23] Riddell: appart from the menus, everything is translated [12:23] Riddell: bug 196106 [12:23] Malone bug 196106 in language-pack-kde-de "context menu entry "Paste File" [and other dialogs] not translated into German (anymore)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196106 [12:34] Riddell: the problem happend to me on 03/03 [12:34] Riddell: I can't see what was uploaded before (email deleted) [12:35] but I suspect there is something going wrong with kdebase/kdelibs [12:35] that sounds likely [12:36] Riddell: one mo file is not loaded, we need to find out which one ;) [12:38] should be kde.mo [12:38] that's the one with the common strings [12:40] Riddell: maybe, but shouldn't that impact the all desktop ? [12:40] unless only the menu class is having the issue [12:41] strace konqueror 2>&1 | grep "kde.mo" [12:41] Riddell: no output [12:41] it isn't called at all [12:43] Riddell: locate kde.mo -> nothing [12:44] maybe its kdelibs.mo [12:48] Riddell: can you see what was uploaded, say between 03/01 and 03/02 [12:48] ? [12:49] I suspect we will have hard time with that one..... [12:49] Tonio_: nothing, kdelibs and base were changed with 3.5.9 around 14 Feb [12:49] Riddell: no langpacks ? [12:50] dunno, I don't use language packs :) [12:50] of course....... :) [12:50] version number is 20080301 so I guess that's it [12:50] Riddell: I thought about looking in hardy-changes ML ;) [12:50] probably broken with 3.5.9 kdelibs then affects users with language pack upload [12:51] Riddell: looks like, yes [12:51] Riddell: what will happen then ? [12:51] will new pot files be imported at time ? [12:51] parse error [12:51] ? [12:51] we need to fix whatever the problem is then wait for new language packs [12:52] what arse error are you talking about ? when importing the pot to rosetta ? [12:53] I don't know what the error is, if I knew that I'd fix it :) [12:53] something to do with including the strings from kde.pot somewhere === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:55] Riddell: I search which pot is involved first [12:55] hard time for this bug I suspect...... [12:55] kde.pot and kdelibs.pot will be the ones involved [12:56] I can never quite remember what needs to be done to them [12:57] Riddell: there is a debian patch for kde.pot in kdelibs/debian/patches/common [12:57] it contains the strings I can see having problems [12:57] File, Settings etc..... [12:58] hum well it's not a patch, it's a file :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:59] that wasn't changed for years, shouldn't be our problem [13:03] Tonio_: look in debian/rules [13:03] common-post-build-arch:: [13:03] maybe that didn't get run? [13:04] the strings in kde.pot need to be added to kdelibs.pot after that gets built, I guess that isn't happening [13:04] Riddell: lemme look [13:05] Riddell: I'll download the currentl kdelibs.pot from launchpad and compare [13:07] Tonio_: look at the kdelibs build log, check if that common-post-build-arch:: rule gets run [13:07] Riddell: yep [13:08] Riddell: that would explain why it worked until the langpacks were released [13:09] Riddell: not in the logs [13:09] Riddell: comparing with old kdelibs builds [13:09] common-post-build-arch isn't run, confirmed [13:11] so a cdbs mystery, good luck :) [13:11] Riddell: it didn't run with gutsy kdelibs 3.5.8 packages [13:11] Riddell: and we didn't have the problem [13:12] maybe launchpad only imports the .pot for a new upstream version? [13:12] msgcat kde.pot po/kdelibs.pot > kdelibs.pot-merged [13:12] Riddell: sorry, it's beeing run [13:13] msgcat kde.pot po/kdelibs.pot > kdelibs.pot-merged [13:13] mv kdelibs.pot-merged po/kdelibs.pot [13:13] that's it..... [13:13] maybe it's beeing run too late......... [13:13] Tonio_: and does kdelibs.pot from rosetta have the kde.pot strings? [13:14] checking [13:16] Riddell: I have to wait for the pot file in an email...... how stupid process [13:16] yes it is a strange one [13:17] Riddell: that probably to avois people downloading all the pots....... [13:17] Riddell: not very opensource way to do :( [13:18] Tonio_: I think its more to do with the way the data is stored [13:18] in a database which will need exporting to make .pots [13:19] which can be quite slow [13:19] Riddell: would be better looking in the sources [13:19] the source [13:19] instead of generated pots..... [13:19] but I'll look once emails are received [13:20] Riddell: the strings are in the pot, but commented [13:21] #~ msgid "&Tools" [13:21] #~ msgstr "O&utils" [13:21] Riddell: comparing with old kdelibs pot [13:22] Tonio_: that means they were once in launchpad but not now [13:22] ah ;) [13:22] interesting, so it looks like you are right [13:22] now the question is, why ? [13:23] Tonio_: try compiling kdelibs locally and see if the strings really do end up in kdelibs.pot ? [13:23] yep, that I can do [13:24] Riddell: maybe they just end up in the pot after the pot is imported [13:25] Riddell: what to grep in the buildd log to see the importing process ? [13:27] Tonio_: dunno, maybe carlos knows [13:27] Riddell: makebuilddir would be a way to be sure that this isn't done too late [13:27] Riddell: I see no reason doind that this late in the build process [13:29] it needs to be done after kdelibs.pot is made [13:34] is sven boden here? [13:34] Hobbsee: his nick is sboden IIRC - so no [13:35] ah [13:35] * Hobbsee wonders why he's changed to absolute paths for things like kdialog. [13:35] heya _superstoned btw ;-) [13:37] last i knew, absolute paths weren't needed? === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [13:44] Riddell: ping? [13:44] Hobbsee: honk [13:45] Riddell: we haven't required absolute paths with kde now, have we? [13:45] Hobbsee: depends on the situation [13:45] kde 4 .desktop files have absolute paths [13:47] Riddell: this is amarok, so should be kde3 [13:48] no paticular need for it then [13:49] Riddell: built is running, but it looks like you when the good road to find out what happens there [13:49] Riddell: that's what i thought. good. [13:49] * Hobbsee is not very insane then [13:50] Ho I have to change konversation theme, otherwise Sho will kill me :) [13:50] I promissed to do that for hardy [13:50] let's go [13:50] Hobbsee: just mostly :P [13:51] hehe [13:53] Riddell: is your kds ready for upload ? can I sync bzr and add some stuff in it ? [13:53] Tonio_: yes but I havn't tested apachelogger's changes [13:53] they should be fine, go ahead and upload [13:53] Riddell: oki [13:53] Riddell: I'm fixing konversation then [13:54] Hobbsee: do we want to sort the contactlist alphabetically or by level and then alphabetically ? [13:54] Hobbsee: the second option seems better for me [13:54] second [13:54] oki [13:54] Sho will be a happy guy toonight :) [13:56] sikon gave up on libkarma? [13:57] hum, works and the theme is pretty nice :) [13:57] Tonio_: I don´t know if this is already fixed but konversation doesn´t show osd in kde 4 due to a check for a screensaver - it was fixed upstream [13:57] would be nice to fix that as well [13:58] Nightrose: any bug report or patch ? [13:58] I can´t find one in launchpad - but there was one on bugs.kde.org - I will try to find it [14:00] Nightrose: would be nice, then I can upload [14:03] hm, where is amarok for gutsy? [14:03] as in, a backported version [14:03] Hobbsee: talking about the tab placement, I think sho and I decided we could keep it on the left [14:03] really now? [14:03] * Hobbsee doubts that [14:04] Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=764087 [14:04] Nightrose: looking [14:04] Hobbsee: lemme re-read the logs :) [14:08] Hobbsee: hum, no he agreed the systray could be enabled by default [14:08] not the tabbar [14:08] Hobbsee: I re-enable the systray icon [14:08] i'm amazed at how badly people can't spell... [14:08] Hobbsee: and keep the tabbar [14:08] Hobbsee: what ? [14:09] Hobbsee: was the last comment for me ? :) [14:10] no, not you [14:10] people who are reporting [14:10] * Hobbsee marks another bug as invalid [14:11] ah ;) [14:18] * Hobbsee uploads a fixed amarok [14:19] * Tonio_ prepares and tests k-d-s for upload [14:19] Adept's source code is a nightmare...... [14:19] Nightrose: testing konversation with that patch [14:19] mmm...i wish we could pull a konvi svn [14:19] Tonio_: great :) [14:19] Tonio_: going to pressure sho into actually making a release? [14:20] Hobbsee: that was not on my plans :) [14:20] awww [14:20] Hobbsee: why ? [14:21] would be nice, for a lts, to have a vaguely current release, with the bugfixes. [14:21] Hobbsee: are there major issues with konversation ? [14:21] Hobbsee: also, long time no release probably means strings changed [14:21] Hobbsee: I prefer a stable and old konversation than a badly translated one :) [14:22] that's a point [14:23] i've not run repo-based konvi for a *very* long tiem. [14:26] Hobbsee: [15:25] Tonio_: No firm date yet, no [14:27] Hobbsee: planned but no date in mind [14:27] ugh [14:27] Hobbsee: don't expect it at time, since if it was planned for march, the date would be known [14:27] Hobbsee: I wouldn't take the risk to add it in April, 2 weeks before the release [14:28] Hobbsee: we will consider SRU when hardy is out, probably [14:28] Nightrose: at the moment I'll had your patch ! [14:28] wohooo [14:28] * Nightrose is looking forward to have osd again ;-) [14:31] :'( the package uses quilt....... I HATE QUILT === \sh is now known as \sh_away [14:44] okay k-d-s uploaded [14:44] konversation building [14:44] kdelibs building too === _czessi is now known as Czessi === \sh_away is now known as \sh [14:50] Riddell: the pot file is patches correctly [14:50] Riddell: but that happens VERY late in the process [14:51] Riddell: dpkg-deb has already run for kdelibs deb package, as well as kdelibs-doc [14:51] Riddell: kdelibs-data also is already done [14:51] I don't know when exactly will it be imported, first run of dpkg-deb or every run ? [14:51] Riddell: dot article posted - second picture at http://aplg.kollide.net/images/cebit08/cimg7171.jpg (is is not possible to upload more than one?) [14:52] Riddell: btw, we should try to find an earlier moment to do this [14:52] Riddell: I'll investigate [14:53] Riddell: the ideal point would be that the file is patched before any dpkg-deb has ran, right ? [14:56] Nightrose: want to test the new konversation binary ? [14:57] Artemis_Fowl: Care to elaborate? [14:57] And which version you refer to? [14:58] tonio: hardy or gutsy? [14:58] Nightrose: hardy [14:58] ok can try in virtual box === tonio is now known as Tonio_ [14:59] Nightrose: there won't be any fix for gutsy [14:59] Nightrose: http://toniox.org/temp [14:59] yea I know [14:59] thx [14:59] testing in a few minutes [14:59] once you confirm it works, I'll upload [15:00] mornfall: hmm? [15:00] oO - my virtual box seems b0rked - this may take some time [15:01] Artemis_Fowl: About Adept... [15:02] mornfall: firstly I refer to the latest version currently in the repos (2.1.3) [15:02] mornfall: secondly I was actually thinking of writing from scratch a package manager for KDE but this is a huge project [15:03] Ok. [15:03] mornfall: dunno what I will do [15:03] mornfall: but honestly Adept's code sux [15:03] Artemis_Fowl: So you have checked 3.0 alpha series, right? [15:03] mornfall: not really [15:04] mornfall: didi it get any better? [15:04] did* [15:04] Artemis_Fowl: Dunno. I'd say so. [15:04] Artemis_Fowl: And do you have some reason as to why it sux? Or just a nonspecific feeling... [15:05] mornfall: The code's style is really really weird and dirty. More of a hack [15:05] mornfall: wait one min to see [15:06] Artemis_Fowl: I don't know if we still have plans of eventually moving towards packagekit, but instead of writing a whole new package manager, you might want to look at porting packagekit to apt/dpkg... [15:07] Tonio_: I will need to get the cd image again and reinstall - this might take some time - so if you got someone else to test it please do - else I will test it later [15:07] http://packagekit.org/pk-intro.html [15:07] Nightrose: okay [15:08] well konversation does work locally here, no kde4 to test, so I'll upload [15:08] ok [15:10] Tonio_: it has always worked before [15:10] all most strange [15:10] Artemis_Fowl: Yes? [15:11] ryanakca: one min plz [15:11]