[00:02] <yuriy> Riddell: bug 188415. looks like the gtk-qt4 engine is ready and he has questions about packaging it
[00:02] <ubot3> Malone bug 188415 in gtk-qt-engine "GTK themes doesn't work properly in KDE4" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188415
[00:16] <mornfall> Ok, goodnight.
[00:16] <mornfall> Hopefully, release tomorrow.
[00:16] <Riddell> yuriy: comment added
[00:16]  * Riddell sleeps too
[00:23] <jjesse> evening
[00:41] <ScottK2> Riddell: Where does guidance-powermanager send stderr?
[01:12] <seele> Riddell: does he have the info from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig?highlight=%28grub%29 or is it just a straight port?
[05:18]  * serega yawns
[05:18] <serega> morning!
[09:08] <mornfall> Morning.
[09:10] <mornfall> Riddell: Please don't forget to sync those two and notify me... I'll prep an upload of alpha4 in the meantime.
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm really concerned by flash segfaulting sometimes
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: 30% as a ratio, I'd say
[09:15] <hads> On Hardy or Gutsy?
[09:18] <emilsedgh> GTK-Qt engine for Qt4 is released, any chance to get it in Kubuntu's KDE4 version?
[09:18] <emilsedgh> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/GTK-QT+Theme+Engine?content=9714&PHPSESSID=8fda381b625e4024961cb1b956d377e5
[09:22] <emilsedgh> now with FD.o's icon theme standard, works much better.Gimp looks really like a kde4 application
[09:25]  * Jucato has a term for that... but NSFW :P
[09:26] <emilsedgh> huh?
[09:26] <Tonio_> hads: hardy
[09:26] <Tonio_> hads: should also happen on gutsy I suspect since the patches are the same
[09:26] <Jucato> emilsedgh: forgive the language. "icing on shit" :D
[09:27] <Tonio_> emilsedgh: sure we will, but not for hardy
[09:27] <emilsedgh> hehe
[09:27] <emilsedgh> Tonio_: oh why? are you in a freeze?
[09:27] <hads> Tonio_: Interesting. I get 100% segfaults on Gutsy, pretty much 0% on Hardy.
[09:27] <Tonio_> emilsedgh: yep, feature freeze
[09:27] <emilsedgh> oh
[09:28] <emilsedgh> i didnt knew
[09:28] <Tonio_> hads: hum, there was a backport on gutsy
[09:28] <Tonio_> hads: I think feisty updates repo, but I'm unsure
[09:28] <Tonio_> hads: I don't use gutsy since hardy dev cycle was opened
[09:28] <Tonio_> emilsedgh: release is in about a month now, so only bugfix updates are authorized
[09:29] <hads> Tonio_: I only have one Gutsy box left, it hasn't bothered me enough to look into it TBH
[09:29] <Tonio_> hehe
[09:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey..
[09:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: building the kwin crystal package right now
[09:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah sweet :D
[09:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: binary packages are really a pain in the ass to play with.....
[09:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know, thats why I got you to to it haha :D
[09:38] <_StefanS_> Riddell: was that mir request any good?
[09:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: do you want to change the default from kwin-style-crystal to qtcurve ?
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, I dont think we can do that just yet, as its in universe
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, I dont think we can do that just yet, as its in universe
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I wrote a mir request, but not sure when it will be approved
[09:41] <Tonio_> hum I'm not a fan of those new buttons........
[09:41] <Tonio_> the "hover" effect is almost unvisible......
[09:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fancy testing the deb ?
[09:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sure, hit me
[09:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: please accept the dcc sending ;)
[09:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping ?
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: uploaded, but I don't understand why changing that was nice (gutsy/feisty) for something that is a lot worse....
[09:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sorry was just out, my daugther caught her fingers in something
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no need of crystal if we don't use the fade or make it invisible......
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no pb
[09:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: err you dont like the buttons?
[09:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and please resend that dcc
[09:46] <Tonio_> bah the fade effect on hover is unvisible.....
[09:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: http://www.toniox.org/temp
[09:46] <_StefanS_> yep, but we can fix that easily
[09:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: buttons are nice, the efects sucks
[09:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its just a matter of adjusting the grey
[09:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you fix the button in the kcm config ?
[09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: looks like the feisty one imho
[09:48] <_StefanS_> gotta eat, brb
[09:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I just updated with your tar emailed
[09:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, looks almost like feisty without the effect....
[09:49] <Tonio_> not as good
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I guess its a matter of preference (isnt it always), but I like that fact that the button-border are drawn equally around them
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not like currently where they fade out in the bottom
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: whatever the effect is, it has to be visible imho
[09:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes I agree
[10:17] <Riddell> ScottK: same place as stdout I expect
[10:17] <Riddell> seele: I don't know
[10:18] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, pitti says he'll look at it today
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: perfect, thanks :)
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you know an easy way to upper a i18n output ?
[10:19] <Tonio_> insertItem( pictures, i18n( "pictures" ), false, "folder_image" );
[10:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the reason why speedbar items aren't going upper
[10:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: too late to change the sources from "picture" to "Picture" right ?
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm currently building testing this
[10:21] <Tonio_> maybe those are already translated, since we load the xdg dirs catalog
[10:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: string =  i18n( "pictures" )
[10:25] <Riddell> first = string.left(1).upper()
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[10:26] <Riddell> newString = first + string.mid(1)
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't there a function doing automagically the first of any work upper ?
[10:30] <Riddell> could be but not that I know of
[10:31] <Mez> Riddell, sync request made, I've subscribed you and -archive
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't look like indeed.... I'll have to write a function for this then
[10:53] <Riddell> Mez, mornfall: syncs done
[10:57] <Mez> Riddell, sweet
[11:16] <Riddell> ah, Artemis_Fowl
[11:16] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: yeah?
[11:16] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: seele wanted to know if you've seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGrubconfig
[11:17] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: actually no
[11:19] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: also I had an interesting usecase for a grub editor
[11:19] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: someone who has had their grub setup wiped out by windows
[11:19] <Riddell> there's a need for a tool which can be run from a live CD to reinstall grub on a disk's boot record
[11:20] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: grub-install can do the work. am I right?
[11:20] <Riddell> yes
[11:20] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: well
[11:20] <Riddell> but for people who don't know about the command line
[11:20] <Artemis_Fowl> i am planning on including this
[11:20] <Artemis_Fowl> in KGRUBEditor
[11:20] <Riddell> you're a genius! :)
[11:20] <Artemis_Fowl> look
[11:21] <Artemis_Fowl> I can create somehow a KControl module
[11:21] <Artemis_Fowl> for KGRUBEditor
[11:21] <Artemis_Fowl> but I thought that a stand-alone application would be better
[11:21] <Artemis_Fowl> also
[11:21] <Riddell> either is fine, I think I'd have a slight preference for a KControl module
[11:22] <Artemis_Fowl> I am planning to include some nifty UI for some grub tools such as grub-install
[11:22] <Artemis_Fowl> in the next releases
[11:22] <Riddell> great
[11:23] <Artemis_Fowl> the thing is I have no experience with KControl moduling and would take me several time to do such a module
[11:23] <Artemis_Fowl> oh, wait. Where should GRUB config editor go? In KDE's control center or in Kubuntu's?
[11:24] <jussi01> Riddell: just a quick fyi if you didnt notice, ubotu is broken, so we have ubot3. ubotu is expected back tomorrow at the earliest. If we have double working bots at some stage, nalioth has requested that we mute ubot3 not kick/remove
[11:29] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: I just read all the use-cases. All of them are already supported by KGRUBEditor (including yours) except for the translated thing. KGRUBEditor is not yet translated, but it will start soon
[11:29] <Riddell> jussi01: ok
[11:30] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: both KDE and Kubuntu use the same System Settings app for KControl modules
[11:31] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: I am just changing some things according to KDE's Semantic Message Markup (http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Semantics)
[11:31] <Artemis_Fowl> in order for th strings to be more easily translated
[11:31] <Artemis_Fowl> Semantic Markup of Messages is btw a really nice idea
[11:32] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: kgrubeditor seems like a good candidate for KDE's kdeadmin module
[11:32] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: yeah? It is platform dependent though
[11:32] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: it may run on Windows but won't work as expected
[11:33] <Artemis_Fowl> Windows/Mac etc*
[11:34] <Riddell> Artemis_Fowl: that's a problem for the KDE Windows people :)
[11:37] <mornfall> Riddell: Cool.
[11:37] <mornfall> Thanks.
[11:40] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: Concerning theming, there is no issue (KGRUBEditor already supports splash images) but
[11:40] <Artemis_Fowl> I think it would be really nice to have a 'Get Hot New Stuff' button in order to download GRUB splash themes from kde-look.org.
[11:40] <Artemis_Fowl> There is a hindrance though: GRUB themes are under the Bootsplash themes category in kde-look.org
[11:40] <Artemis_Fowl> along with Gfxboot themes
[11:40] <Artemis_Fowl> and other things
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/capture84.png
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to work simply by changing the string to i18n
[11:41] <Artemis_Fowl> They should create a separate category for GRUB themes for such a feature to occur
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just miss an icon for documents and I upload
[11:43] <Artemis_Fowl> Tonio_: try folder-txt
[11:43] <Tonio_> Artemis_Fowl: yep
[11:43] <Tonio_> Artemis_Fowl: I first have to find out which patch adds it ;)
[11:49] <Tonio_> Artemis_Fowl: found it, and indeed, folder-txt seems a good choice
[11:50] <Artemis_Fowl> Tonio_: which one was?
[11:50] <Tonio_> which patch ?
[11:50] <Tonio_> not any patch in fact
[11:50] <Tonio_> the issue is in kde upstream, looks like.....
[11:51] <Tonio_> it loads a "documents" icon, which doesn't exist in the default theme
[11:51] <Tonio_> Artemis_Fowl: I'm fixing this in the kubuntu_93_speedbar_xdg_user_dirs.diff kdelibs patch
[11:51] <Tonio_> seems the right place
[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have icons in my file-open dialogues currently
[11:54] <Tonio_> not any icon ?
[11:55] <Riddell> I have all the icons
[11:55] <Tonio_> hum......
[11:55] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/icons.png
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: indeed
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not missing the Documents icon, that's the icon ;)
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: folder_txt look better for the document part, especially with crystalsvg....
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know that's not a priority, but the patch is done already, and changelog ready
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: no poblem is I change ?
[11:57] <Tonio_> s/is/if
[11:57] <Tonio_> I don't like the current one cause it doesn't look like a folder in fact...
[11:58] <Riddell> fine with me
[11:58] <Tonio_> oki let's upload then
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the other folder names, I manually patched for first char opened
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: those strings are already translated too
[11:59] <Tonio_> so s/video/Video etc.....
[12:01] <Riddell> apachelogger, Nightrose: could one of you submit the dot article when it's ready
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll also try to investigate concerning flash support
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about the flash downloader thing ? where you able to fix it ?
[12:02] <Nightrose> Riddell: sure I can do it
[12:02] <Nightrose> Riddell: just waiting for a few more pics
[12:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, it's in k-d-s to be uploaded shortly
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: super
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: who is the rosetta guy to ping for missing kdesudo.mo in langpacks ?
[12:06] <Tonio_> I never remember is nick
[12:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: carlos
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I put a note on that one :)
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can you fix that icon?
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm seeing it too
[12:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: which one ?
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Documents
[12:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: kdelibs already uploaded
[12:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you'll have a nice icon toonight
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet :) nice to hear that
[12:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there is no bug in there, just that the icon is not a good choice.... it doesn't show a folder
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about kde menus not translated ?
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: any news reguarding to that bug ?
[12:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: never heard of it
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, lemme find the bug id
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: to make it simple, the menu bar in kde is mostly in english
[12:19] <Tonio_> some items are translated
[12:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: screenshot?
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/capture85.png
[12:21] <Tonio_> "help" is in french, all the menu in english
[12:21] <Tonio_> that happened about 10 days ago
[12:21] <smarter> I can confirm this
[12:22] <Riddell> it's not finding kde.po
[12:22] <Riddell> what changed 10 days ago?
[12:22] <Tonio_> dunno
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: appart from the menus, everything is translated
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 196106
[12:23] <ubot3> Malone bug 196106 in language-pack-kde-de "context menu entry "Paste File" [and other dialogs] not translated into German (anymore)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196106
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem happend to me on 03/03
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't see what was uploaded before (email deleted)
[12:35] <Tonio_> but I suspect there is something going wrong with kdebase/kdelibs
[12:35] <Riddell> that sounds likely
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: one mo file is not loaded, we need to find out which one ;)
[12:38] <Riddell> should be kde.mo
[12:38] <Riddell> that's the one with the common strings
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe, but shouldn't that impact the all desktop ?
[12:40] <Tonio_> unless only the menu class is having the issue
[12:41] <Tonio_> strace konqueror 2>&1 | grep "kde.mo"
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: no output
[12:41] <Tonio_> it isn't called at all
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: locate kde.mo -> nothing
[12:44] <Riddell> maybe its kdelibs.mo
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you see what was uploaded, say between 03/01 and 03/02
[12:48] <Tonio_> ?
[12:49] <Tonio_> I suspect we will have hard time with that one.....
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: nothing, kdelibs and base were changed with 3.5.9 around 14 Feb
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: no langpacks ?
[12:50] <Riddell> dunno, I don't use language packs :)
[12:50] <Tonio_> of course....... :)
[12:50] <Riddell> version number is 20080301 so I guess that's it
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I thought about looking in hardy-changes ML ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> probably broken with 3.5.9 kdelibs then affects users with language pack upload
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like, yes
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: what will happen then ?
[12:51] <Tonio_> will new pot files be imported at time ?
[12:51] <Riddell> parse error
[12:51] <Tonio_> ?
[12:51] <Riddell> we need to fix whatever the problem is then wait for new language packs
[12:52] <Tonio_> what arse error are you talking about ? when importing the pot to rosetta ?
[12:53] <Riddell> I don't know what the error is, if I knew that I'd fix it :)
[12:53] <Riddell> something to do with including the strings from kde.pot somewhere
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I search which pot is involved first
[12:55] <Tonio_> hard time for this bug I suspect......
[12:55] <Riddell> kde.pot and kdelibs.pot will be the ones involved
[12:56] <Riddell> I can never quite remember what needs to be done to them
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a debian patch for kde.pot in kdelibs/debian/patches/common
[12:57] <Tonio_> it contains the strings I can see having problems
[12:57] <Tonio_> File, Settings etc.....
[12:58] <Tonio_> hum well it's not a patch, it's a file :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> that wasn't changed for years, shouldn't be our problem
[13:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: look in debian/rules
[13:03] <Riddell> common-post-build-arch::
[13:03] <Riddell> maybe that didn't get run?
[13:04] <Riddell> the strings in kde.pot need to be added to kdelibs.pot after that gets built, I guess that isn't happening
[13:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: lemme look
[13:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll download the currentl kdelibs.pot from launchpad and compare
[13:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: look at the kdelibs build log, check if that common-post-build-arch:: rule gets run
[13:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[13:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: that would explain why it worked until the langpacks were released
[13:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: not in the logs
[13:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: comparing with old kdelibs builds
[13:09] <Tonio_> common-post-build-arch isn't run, confirmed
[13:11] <Riddell> so a cdbs mystery, good luck :)
[13:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: it didn't run with gutsy kdelibs 3.5.8 packages
[13:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: and we didn't have the problem
[13:12] <Riddell> maybe launchpad only imports the .pot for a new upstream version?
[13:12] <Tonio_> msgcat kde.pot po/kdelibs.pot > kdelibs.pot-merged
[13:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry, it's beeing run
[13:13] <Tonio_> msgcat kde.pot po/kdelibs.pot > kdelibs.pot-merged
[13:13] <Tonio_> mv kdelibs.pot-merged po/kdelibs.pot
[13:13] <Tonio_> that's it.....
[13:13] <Tonio_> maybe it's beeing run too late.........
[13:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: and does kdelibs.pot from rosetta have the kde.pot strings?
[13:14] <Tonio_> checking
[13:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to wait for the pot file in an email...... how stupid process
[13:16] <Riddell> yes it is a strange one
[13:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: that probably to avois people downloading all the pots.......
[13:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: not very opensource way to do :(
[13:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think its more to do with the way the data is stored
[13:18] <Riddell> in a database which will need exporting to make .pots
[13:19] <Riddell> which can be quite slow
[13:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be better looking in the sources
[13:19] <Tonio_> the source
[13:19] <Tonio_> instead of generated pots.....
[13:19] <Tonio_> but I'll look once emails are received
[13:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: the strings are in the pot, but commented
[13:21] <Tonio_> #~ msgid "&Tools"
[13:21] <Tonio_> #~ msgstr "O&utils"
[13:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: comparing with old kdelibs pot
[13:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: that means they were once in launchpad but not now
[13:22] <Tonio_> ah ;)
[13:22] <Tonio_> interesting, so it looks like you are right
[13:22] <Tonio_> now the question is, why ?
[13:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: try compiling kdelibs locally and see if the strings really do end up in kdelibs.pot ?
[13:23] <Tonio_> yep, that I can do
[13:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe they just end up in the pot after the pot is imported
[13:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: what to grep in the buildd log to see the importing process ?
[13:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, maybe carlos knows
[13:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: makebuilddir would be a way to be sure that this isn't done too late
[13:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I see no reason doind that this late in the build process
[13:29] <Riddell> it needs to be done after kdelibs.pot is made
[13:34] <Hobbsee> is sven boden here?
[13:34] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: his nick is sboden IIRC - so no
[13:35] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:35]  * Hobbsee wonders why he's changed to absolute paths for things like kdialog.
[13:35] <Nightrose> heya _superstoned btw ;-)
[13:37] <Hobbsee> last i knew, absolute paths weren't needed?
[13:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[13:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: honk
[13:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we haven't required absolute paths with kde now, have we?
[13:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: depends on the situation
[13:45] <Riddell> kde 4 .desktop files have absolute paths
[13:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: this is amarok, so should be kde3
[13:48] <Riddell> no paticular need for it then
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: built is running, but it looks like you when the good road to find out what happens there
[13:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's what i thought.  good.
[13:49]  * Hobbsee is not very insane then
[13:50] <Tonio_> Ho I have to change konversation theme, otherwise Sho will kill me :)
[13:50] <Tonio_> I promissed to do that for hardy
[13:50] <Tonio_> let's go
[13:50] <jussi01> Hobbsee: just mostly :P
[13:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[13:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: is your kds ready for upload ? can I sync bzr and add some stuff in it ?
[13:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes but I havn't tested apachelogger's changes
[13:53] <Riddell> they should be fine, go ahead and upload
[13:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[13:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm fixing konversation then
[13:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: do we want to sort the contactlist alphabetically or by level and then alphabetically ?
[13:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the second option seems better for me
[13:54] <Hobbsee> second
[13:54] <Tonio_> oki
[13:54] <Tonio_> Sho will be a happy guy toonight :)
[13:56] <Hobbsee> sikon gave up on libkarma?
[13:57] <Tonio_> hum, works and the theme is pretty nice :)
[13:57] <Nightrose> Tonio_: I don´t know if this is already fixed but konversation doesn´t show osd in kde 4 due to a check for a screensaver - it was fixed upstream
[13:57] <Nightrose> would be nice to fix that as well
[13:58] <Tonio_> Nightrose: any bug report or patch ?
[13:58] <Nightrose> I can´t find one in launchpad - but there was one on bugs.kde.org - I will try to find it
[14:00] <Tonio_> Nightrose: would be nice, then I can upload
[14:03] <Hobbsee> hm, where is amarok for gutsy?
[14:03] <Hobbsee> as in, a backported version
[14:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: talking about the tab placement, I think sho and I decided we could keep it on the left
[14:03] <Hobbsee> really now?
[14:03]  * Hobbsee doubts that
[14:04] <Nightrose> Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=764087
[14:04] <Tonio_> Nightrose: looking
[14:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: lemme re-read the logs :)
[14:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, no he agreed the systray could be enabled by default
[14:08] <Tonio_> not the tabbar
[14:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I re-enable the systray icon
[14:08] <Hobbsee> i'm amazed at how badly people can't spell...
[14:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and keep the tabbar
[14:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what ?
[14:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: was the last comment for me ? :)
[14:10] <Hobbsee> no, not you
[14:10] <Hobbsee> people who are reporting
[14:10]  * Hobbsee marks another bug as invalid
[14:11] <Tonio_> ah ;)
[14:18]  * Hobbsee uploads a fixed amarok
[14:19]  * Tonio_ prepares and tests k-d-s for upload
[14:19] <Artemis_Fowl> Adept's source code is a nightmare......
[14:19] <Tonio_> Nightrose: testing konversation with that patch
[14:19] <Hobbsee> mmm...i wish we could pull a konvi svn
[14:19] <Nightrose> Tonio_: great :)
[14:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: going to pressure sho into actually making a release?
[14:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that was not on my plans :)
[14:20] <Hobbsee> awww
[14:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: why ?
[14:21] <Hobbsee> would be nice, for a lts, to have a vaguely current release, with the bugfixes.
[14:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: are there major issues with konversation ?
[14:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: also, long time no release probably means strings changed
[14:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I prefer a stable and old konversation than a badly translated one :)
[14:22] <Hobbsee> that's a point
[14:23] <Hobbsee> i've not run repo-based konvi for a *very* long tiem.
[14:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: [15:25] <Sho_> Tonio_: No firm date yet, no
[14:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: planned but no date in mind
[14:27] <Hobbsee> ugh
[14:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: don't expect it at time, since if it was planned for march, the date would be known
[14:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I wouldn't take the risk to add it in April, 2 weeks before the release
[14:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we will consider SRU when hardy is out, probably
[14:28] <Tonio_> Nightrose: at the moment I'll had your patch !
[14:28] <Nightrose> wohooo
[14:28]  * Nightrose is looking forward to have osd again ;-)
[14:31] <Tonio_> :'( the package uses quilt....... I HATE QUILT
[14:44] <tonio> okay k-d-s uploaded
[14:44] <tonio> konversation building
[14:44] <tonio> kdelibs building too
[14:50] <tonio> Riddell: the pot file is patches correctly
[14:50] <tonio> Riddell: but that happens VERY late in the process
[14:51] <tonio> Riddell: dpkg-deb has already run for kdelibs deb package, as well as kdelibs-doc
[14:51] <tonio> Riddell: kdelibs-data also is already done
[14:51] <tonio> I don't know when exactly will it be imported, first run of dpkg-deb or every run ?
[14:51] <Nightrose> Riddell: dot article posted - second picture at http://aplg.kollide.net/images/cebit08/cimg7171.jpg (is is not possible to upload more than one?)
[14:52] <tonio> Riddell: btw, we should try to find an earlier moment to do this
[14:52] <tonio> Riddell: I'll investigate
[14:53] <tonio> Riddell: the ideal point would be that the file is patched before any dpkg-deb has ran, right ?
[14:56] <tonio> Nightrose: want to test the new konversation binary ?
[14:57] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: Care  to elaborate?
[14:57] <mornfall> And which version you refer to?
[14:58] <Nightrose> tonio: hardy or gutsy?
[14:58] <tonio> Nightrose: hardy
[14:58] <Nightrose> ok can try in virtual box
[14:59] <Tonio_> Nightrose: there won't be any fix for gutsy
[14:59] <Tonio_> Nightrose: http://toniox.org/temp
[14:59] <Nightrose> yea I know
[14:59] <Nightrose> thx
[14:59] <Nightrose> testing in a few minutes
[14:59] <Tonio_> once you confirm it works, I'll upload
[15:00] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: hmm?
[15:00] <Nightrose> oO - my virtual box seems b0rked - this may take some time
[15:01] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: About Adept...
[15:02] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: firstly I refer to the latest version currently in the repos (2.1.3)
[15:02] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: secondly I was actually thinking of writing from scratch a package manager for KDE but this is a huge project
[15:03] <mornfall> Ok.
[15:03] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: dunno what I will do
[15:03] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: but honestly Adept's code sux
[15:03] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: So you have checked 3.0 alpha series, right?
[15:03] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: not really
[15:04] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: didi it get any better?
[15:04] <Artemis_Fowl> did*
[15:04] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: Dunno. I'd say so.
[15:04] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: And do you have some reason as to why it sux? Or just a nonspecific feeling...
[15:05] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: The code's style is really really weird and dirty. More of a hack
[15:05] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: wait one min to see
[15:06] <ryanakca> Artemis_Fowl: I don't know if we still have plans of eventually moving towards packagekit, but instead of writing a whole new package manager, you might want to look at porting packagekit to apt/dpkg...
[15:07] <Nightrose> Tonio_: I will need to get the cd image again and reinstall - this might take some time - so if you got someone else to test it please do - else I will test it later
[15:07] <ryanakca> http://packagekit.org/pk-intro.html
[15:07] <Tonio_> Nightrose: okay
[15:08] <Tonio_> well konversation does work locally here, no kde4 to test, so I'll upload
[15:08] <Nightrose> ok
[15:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: it has always worked before
[15:10] <Riddell> all most strange
[15:10] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: Yes?
[15:11] <Artemis_Fowl> ryanakca: one min plz
[15:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep I kno
[15:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe that's a buildd change, that's what I'm asking to pitti
[15:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, we should get it done earlier
[15:12] <n8k99> how do i install qt 4.4 on gutsy?
[15:12] <Tonio_> if it's done sooner, it can fix
[15:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, I've already seen that bug before, but it got resolved so I didn't ping on that point
[15:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: the .pot files are made in common-install-prehook-impl:: by /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk
[15:12] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: check this out:http://kde.pastey.net/83631
[15:13] <Riddell> n8k99: it's in my (~jr) PPA
[15:13] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: And what exactly is wrong with that?
[15:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: so they are patched exactly when generated ?
[15:14] <n8k99> Riddell: great thanx, then once i install that i can build kde4 from source
[15:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: another option is that the command failed
[15:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: or the export process is buggy
[15:14] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: basically the approach used. the code is very hard to read
[15:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: or the file isn't overwritten
[15:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can change from mv to mv -f
[15:15] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: the whole app runs like a gem but there is no consistent code style
[15:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: couldn't we simply do the change in rules, end of common-install-prehook-impl target ?
[15:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: pot files are generated then
[15:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have this :
[15:17] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.ca/938303
[15:17] <Tonio_> I propose to change to this :
[15:18] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: to get an idea of what I mean, I still haven't found how it uses the Lister class to list packages....
[15:18] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: It uses somewhat advanced C++, yes. So for reading the code, you need to know a little more of C++ than is, say, common. (Most people coding in C++ apparently don't know it that much).
[15:18] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.ca/938304
[15:18] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: true
[15:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can rebuild to see when in the build process does this happen then
[15:22] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: additionally there are many things to fix. for instance the code:
[15:22] <Artemis_Fowl>     QTimer timer;
[15:22] <Artemis_Fowl>     connect( &timer, SIGNAL( timeout() ),
[15:22] <Artemis_Fowl>              this, SLOT( reallyUpdate() ) );
[15:22] <Artemis_Fowl>     timer.start( 0 );
[15:23] <Artemis_Fowl> could have been written: QTimer::singleShot( 0, this, SLOT( reallyUpdate() ) );
[15:23] <n8k99> dumb question time
[15:23] <n8k99> what is the qt4.4 package called?
[15:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: build running, we'll see
[15:23] <Riddell> n8k99: same as 4.3
[15:24] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: And how do you then do timer.stop()?
[15:24] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: Not to mention, that the presented is periodic, not singleshot.
[15:24] <mornfall> (If people "fix" adept like this, no wonder it is so broken these days...)
[15:25] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: right. didn't really see the stop statement
[15:26] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: maybe it is because I am really hungry :)
[15:29] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: since you know adept's code that well could you point me to where the package listing actually takes place?
[15:31] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: In a bit, I am sitting at a lesson, but in an hour we should finish.
[15:32] <Lure> Riddell: any plans with gtk-qt-engine 1.1 for kde4?
[15:32] <Lure> Riddell: or is just too late (post FF)?
[15:33] <Riddell> Lure: I expect its too late, gtk-qt is flaky at the best of times
[15:33] <Riddell> but feel free to try
[15:34] <Lure> Riddell: yes, it has some issues still, but firefox looks at least half decent now under kde4
[15:34]  * Lure is running it now on kde4-svn
[15:34] <Riddell> Lure: screenshot screenshot!
[15:38] <Lure> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~lure/firefox-in-kde4.png
[15:42] <Riddell> issues on the tabs there
[15:46] <nareshov> Oh
[15:46] <nareshov> how come FF has the oxygen look?
[15:47] <nareshov> ah, the GTK-QT engine
[15:56] <Lure> Riddell: yes, tabs, plus some other stuff (background on checkboxes...), but it still looks better than ugly firefox default
[16:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: the fix seems to work
[16:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: well at least the pot file is patched way before, and just after beeing created
[16:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upload this and we'll see with next langpacks
[16:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you send me the debdiff, I have another patch for kdelibs
[16:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[16:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't forget to grab ubuntu2, I already uploaded this morning
[16:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I forgot to commit to bzr....
[16:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/938361 here is the debdiff
[16:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: will you commit my ubuntu2 changes to bzr or should I do it now ?
[16:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead if you want
[16:10] <Riddell> I find myself not using the bzr archive
[16:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't too, but that's bad :)
[16:13] <Riddell> the way we do bzr archives is bad, it'll get better I believe
[16:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I only do for native packages like kds
[16:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: it basically is good for native packages imho
[16:13] <Tonio_> also it would be super to have a button "build the package" on launchpad directly :)
[16:14] <Tonio_> but just for the debian folder of kde-apps, no it is unusable, and obliges to double the work..... getting the source package and then export from bzr..... that's bad
[16:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: still planning to upload k-d-s?
[16:36] <Riddell> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/194101 might be worth looking at if so
[16:36] <ubot3> Malone bug 194101 in kubuntu-default-settings "Ignore error of "update-alternatives --remove" in postrm" [Medium,Triaged]
[16:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: already done :)
[16:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: right, I'll fix that on
[16:37] <Tonio_> one
[16:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just commited to k-d-s
[16:45] <Tonio_> oki
[16:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: any idea where qtcurve keeps its settings?
[16:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: found it in ~/.config/qtcurvestylerc
[16:55] <Riddell> also found a ~/.config/mornfall.net directory, wonder what that does :)
[16:56] <blueyed> Thanks, Tonio_ and Riddell (#194101).
[16:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: no idea about the mornfall thing :)
[16:57] <blueyed> Are you aware btw that there's a difference between calling GTK apps from krunner (as command) or from shell? Unsetting GTK2_RC_FILES=:/home/daniel/.kde4/share/config/gtkrc-2.0 in my shell makes e.g. firefox much nicer.. (as when run from krunner, but not as .desktop file)
[16:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning qtcurve we'll have to patch startkde to get the files copied in the users homedir
[17:03] <Riddell> blueyed: gtk-qt-engine seems to work in all cases for me
[17:04] <blueyed> Riddell: the new one? It looks the same in both cases for you? Have you defined GTK2_RC_FILES in a shell?
[17:05] <Riddell> blueyed: I'm on kde 3 at the moment
[17:05] <Riddell> kde 4 it won't work I guess
[17:05] <blueyed> it works when running in the krunner environment, but not in the user's..
[17:06] <blueyed> ..at least it's far less ugly, from krunner.
[17:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdelibs uploaded, I'm not sure how we test that it has sorked
[17:06] <Riddell> worked
[17:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll wait a bit and download the pot again
[17:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only thing I know is the file i patched immediatly after beeing create now
[17:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: so if it fails, the problem is elsewhere
[17:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: please backport amarok with libgpod-dev instead of libgpod-nogtk-dev - see bug 182631
[17:09] <ubot3> Malone bug 182631 in amarok "gutsy amarok has missing build dependency" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182631
[17:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: once the pot is extracted, I should get a different content in the downloaded pot right ?
[17:10] <coreymon77> what is a pot?
[17:10] <coreymon77> other than a metal, clay or glass object for holding liquids
[17:10] <Riddell> coreymon77: .po template
[17:10] <Tonio_> coreymon77: a file containing the skeleton for translations
[17:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: you'd need to give me something to upload
[17:10] <coreymon77> ah, okay
[17:11] <coreymon77> i just figured i would cover my back against an answer like the one i said above
[17:11] <coreymon77> ;)
[17:13] <smarter> could someone please have a look at bug #199145 ?
[17:13] <ubot3> Malone bug 199145 in kde4libs "kbuildsycoca4 aborts after upgrade KDE 4.0.1 -> 4.0.2 " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199145
[17:20] <mornfall> Hm, Artemis disappeared.
[17:20] <mornfall> No matter.
[17:20] <mornfall> Riddell: Wow.
[17:21] <DaSkreech> Hi mornfall
[17:22] <mornfall> Afternoon...
[17:22] <yuriy> apachelogger: around for an amarok hug day on thursday?
[17:27] <Riddell> smarter: uploading, thanks
[17:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: how not to forget about msgcat and --use-first ?
[17:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to reupload ?
[17:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, go on
[17:34] <Tonio_> oki
[17:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll upload k-d-s with blueyed's patch
[17:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: just uploaded on my own
[17:35] <Tonio_> with your changes and blueyed's patch :)
[17:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, sorted
[17:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: also commited on bzr, sorry for the double work.....
[17:36] <Riddell> blueyed: poking here is usually the best way to get a patch uploaded fast, waiting for us to spot it on the bug tracker will take a bit longer
[17:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: malone should ping on a specific ML when a patch has been posted on a bug
[17:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: cause it is very, very hard to triage everything.....
[17:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[17:38] <Riddell> is handy
[17:41] <Tonio_> added to my bookmarks
[17:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: also this is new http://daniel.holba.ch/really-fix-it/
[17:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: what are the filters ?
[17:42] <Tonio_> patches uploaded to the bug ?
[17:42] <Riddell> guess so
[17:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: debdiff or complete src package?
[17:43] <apachelogger> yuriy: lemme check
[17:44] <apachelogger> yuriy: yeah, though next week would be better due to holidays
[17:44] <smarter> I've just updated kubuntu-konqueror-shortcut to use the new URL form for upkg: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kks.debdiff
[17:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: debdiff is fine
[17:44] <apachelogger> smarter: are you sure we don't have kks on LP bzr
[17:45] <smarter> yes
[17:45]  * smarter checks again
[17:45] <apachelogger> ok :)
[17:45] <Riddell> kks?
[17:45] <smarter> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/trunk << nothing
[17:45] <smarter> kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[17:45] <apachelogger> smarter: I think we should also create a -kde4 package, since I think konqueror-kde4 can't use the normal paths
[17:46] <smarter> I never tried
[17:47] <smarter> "/usr/share/services/searchproviders/upackage.desktop" << should be indepedant from kde3/4 no?
[17:47]  * smarter fires up konqueror to check
[17:47] <apachelogger> hm
[17:47] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:47] <apachelogger> should
[17:48] <apachelogger> smarter: also you should throw it in a bzr :)
[17:48] <jussi01> !info waon hardy
[17:48] <smarter> yeah, konqueror4 don't want to start
[17:49] <smarter> apachelogger: I should add a bzr branch?
[17:50] <apachelogger> smarter: well, throw the stuff into the trunk branch I guess
[17:50] <smarter> ok
[17:51] <smarter> "No revision control details recorded for kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts Series: trunk."
[17:51] <Riddell> bzr didn't exist when kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts was created
[17:51] <smarter> the trunk branch doesn't really exist
[17:52] <smarter> can I create a branch for it?
[17:52] <smarter> with owner: kubuntu-members author: kubuntu-members ?
[17:55] <Riddell> smarter: bzr push bzr+ssh://smarter@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/trunk
[17:55] <smarter> okay
[17:58] <ScottK2> Riddell: I messed up my python-qt3 upload and instead of moving pyqtconfig from python-qt3 to python-qt-dev, I just removed it from python-qt3.  I have it fixed and assuming the test build I have in progress now produces a good result, will upload shortly (python-qt3 takes me a long time to build though).
[18:00] <Riddell> ScottK2: it's a painful build indeed that oe
[18:00] <Riddell> one
[18:00] <ScottK2> My only solace is that I found the problem myself and not after I inconvenienced someone else ...
[18:01] <mornfall> Ok, I have uploaded alpha4 to my PPA (https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive), we'll see if it compiles. Possibly check the changelog, too, to know what to test. I'm off to pub now, see ya laters (or tomorrow).
[18:01] <Riddell> pleasant boozing mornfall
[18:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/amarok1.4.8ubuntu3gutsy1.debdiff
[18:10] <smarter> kks is now on bazaar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/trunk ;)
[18:10] <Riddell> awooga
[18:10] <apachelogger> woohoo
[18:10] <apachelogger> does ubot3 track karma now?
[18:11]  * DaSkreech looks up
[18:11]  * apachelogger really thinks ubuntu needs a karma bot
[18:11] <DaSkreech> KKS?
[18:11] <Riddell> kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[18:11] <DaSkreech> I saw that :)
[18:11] <DaSkreech> what's the aim of the project?
[18:12] <Riddell> apt-cache knows all :)
[18:12] <DaSkreech> ha ha
[18:12] <smarter> DaSkreech: type upkg:foo or lpsource:foo in konqueror ;)
[18:12] <Riddell> do we have one for lppeople ?
[18:13] <DaSkreech> Ah duh!
[18:13] <smarter> nop
[18:13] <smarter> we could create one
[18:13] <DaSkreech> I'm thinking keyboard shortcuts
[18:13] <Riddell> smarter: that would be most handy
[18:13] <DaSkreech> lpsource doesn't work
[18:14] <smarter> DaSkreech: it's not activated by default iirc
[18:14] <smarter> Riddell: down ;)
[18:14] <smarter> s/down/done
[18:14] <Riddell> smarter: genius!
[18:15] <apachelogger> smarter: brainstorm needed as well :P
[18:16] <smarter> right
[18:17] <smarter> done too
[18:17] <ScottK2> Riddell: I think the current displayconfig situation with it crashing when part or all of xorg.conf is missing should be milestoned against the beta.  I'm going to take a whack at that problem, but don't know that I'll have it all done by the freeze.  If it's OK with you, I'd like to milestone one or more relevant bugs.
[18:18] <Riddell> ScottK2: fine with me
[18:18] <ScottK2> Riddell: OK.  I'll find some good bugs while I wait for python-qt3 to finish.
[18:22] <Riddell> smarter: for kde 4 it should just be enough to put the files in /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/services/searchproviders/
[18:22] <smarter> I'll do it later
[18:23] <smarter> I'll add the files to the Makefile too
[18:26] <blueyed> Tonio_: while you've been at the userlist (of kdm I guess), is it possible to disable system users there?
[19:03] <Riddell> do volume keys works for people?
[19:04] <crimsun> they should as of l-u-m -12.17
[19:05] <crimsun> (specifically addressing many Dell HDA users)
[19:05] <ScottK2> Riddell: Fixed python-qt3 uploaded.
[19:16] <nixternal> hrmm, for that dude to get the alert on Windows about Wubi from Clam, that means he had to scan it, because Clam does't offer real-time scanning
[19:16] <crimsun> nixternal: (your volume keys issue should be resolved with the newest l-u-m in hardy)
[19:17]  * nixternal checks
[19:17]  * nixternal huggles crimsun 
[19:17] <nixternal> YOU FREAKIN' ROCK!
[19:18]  * nixternal dances to Amy Winehouse on Amarok and cranks up the volume with his working multimedia keys
[19:20] <crimsun> nixternal: I didn't do it, but I'm sure Mario and Ben would happily accept the thanks.
[19:20] <nixternal> do they have a single location on IRC that I can say thanks?
[19:21] <Riddell> crimsun: what does that fix?
[19:22] <crimsun> Riddell: the changes reordered two pins so that "Front" is the default mixer element controlled instead of "Surround".  This change affects many Dell laptop models using HDA.
[19:22] <crimsun> nixternal: mario_limonciell and BenC in ubuntu-devel
[19:24] <ScottK2> nixternal: Some variants of clam (depending on how it's packaged) do offer real time scanning.
[19:24] <nixternal> oh that mario
[19:25] <nixternal> bah, I will never say thank you to him! :p
[19:25] <nixternal> mario lemonsquare, that's what I call um when he is here in Chicago
[19:26] <nixternal> mario == superm1
[19:27] <yuriy> working mulitimedia keys? :O in kde4?
[19:27] <nixternal> in general
[19:27] <smarter> can anyone running konqueror4, try upkg:foo and see if it works?
[19:27] <smarter> (in the URL bar)
[19:28] <yuriy> protocol not supported: upkg
[19:28] <nixternal> does a search on google?
[19:28] <Riddell> yes
[19:29] <nixternal> upkg searches google for me, but I think I have it set to search google when it can't find a valid shortcut
[19:29] <smarter> ok, hold on a sec
[19:30] <nixternal> glad to see smb:/ still kills konqi
[19:33] <smarter> nixternal, yuriy: could you please try again with this package? http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kks/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts_0.5_all.deb
[19:38] <yuriy> smarter: nope, same thing (new konqueror window, old kde session)
[19:39] <apachelogger> killall konqueror && kbuildsycoca4 && konqueror
[19:39]  * yuriy doesn't want to kill all konqueror
[19:39] <uga> apachelogger: doesn't that run each of them in bg, and run konqui while it's killing konqui...
[19:39] <uga> nto very good idea, right?
[19:40] <yuriy> however, i didn't need to, kbuildsycoca4 did it
[19:40] <yuriy> smarter: it works
[19:40] <smarter> great
[19:41] <apachelogger> uga: nope, it would run them in a queue
[19:41] <apachelogger> and only run each job if the one before exited properly or something
[19:42] <uga> apachelogger: try find /home/apachelogger/.kde/share/ && ls
[19:42] <uga> you'll see the ls is done while the find searches
[19:42] <smarter> uga: no
[19:42] <smarter> after
[19:42] <smarter> if you want to do the two at the same time use & instead of &&
[19:44] <uga> smarter: arf, right
[19:44] <uga> single, not double :/
[19:44]  * uga should review the bash manpage
[19:45] <Riddell> smarter: works great
[19:45] <Riddell> after running kbuildsycoca4
[19:45] <smarter> I'm trying to use symbolic links instead of just copying the files
[19:46] <Riddell> smarter: upeople would be better as a search
[19:46] <Riddell> smarter: https://launchpad.net/people/?name=XXX&searchfor=all
[19:47] <smarter> I'll change that
[19:47] <apachelogger> smarter: you can add upeople as alternate shortcut
[19:50] <nixternal> I have lp: to search all of lp, lpkg, lpeeps, and lbug
[19:50] <nixternal> lbug:1 takes me to the most infamous
[19:50] <nixternal> then I have all kinds for debian, KDE, and Kubuntu
[20:00] <smarter> apachelogger: lppeople.desktop already contains: "Keys=upeople,uppl"
[20:02] <nixternal> pizza:my_phone_number takes me right to the "Order a pizza" page, and I just click submit once there and boom, I have pizza in 30 minutes at the door :)
[20:02] <apachelogger> <-- hungry
[20:03] <smarter> nixternal: and it guess which sort of pizza you want?
[20:03] <nixternal> me too, and I have my stupid db class tonight
[20:03] <nixternal> smarter: nah, I have the same pizza I order every time
[20:03] <nixternal> actually, it isn't my phone number it is my client number
[20:04] <nixternal> I click the "order usual now"
[20:04] <nixternal> and it does everything for me
[20:08] <Tonio_> blueyed: aren't they by default ?
[20:08] <Tonio_> blueyed: I don't see the susyem users
[20:08] <Tonio_> blueyed: also, what else needs fixing on the kdm side ?
[20:09] <Tonio_> s/suyem/system/
[20:12] <_StefanS_> evening
[20:12] <Tonio_> yo _StefanS_
[20:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I was thinking, once that qtcurve is cleared into main, I have a .qtcurve-config we need to put into k-d-s
[20:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, that's not that simple
[20:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: err, no?
[20:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we have to put it in kds and then patch startkde, so that if missing the file is copied to the users home dir
[20:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the file isn't read by kde itself right ?
[20:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: where does it go ?
[20:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: let me check where it puts them
[20:15] <Tonio_> where is the config file ?
[20:15] <Tonio_> oki
[20:15] <Tonio_> if it isn't .kde/share/config, then putting in kds won't help as this isn't kconfig
[20:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I know what to do, don't mind, but we'll have to take care of doing this properly :)
[20:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right, glad you know this :)
[20:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just tell me where the config file is ;)
[20:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: /home/sfs/.config/qtcurvestylerc
[20:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so, not in .kde...
[20:18] <_StefanS_> uhm
[20:20] <Tonio_> yep
[20:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: send me the file, I'll prepare kds and kdebase according to qtcurve
[20:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cool, I will.
[20:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: on its way
[20:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kdpkg+(KDE+Debian+package+installer)?content=76697&PHPSESSID=8594b1e7a16b5cb0969f4925fe36e4a8
[20:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to test this
[20:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: gdebi is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
[20:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe that could be a good replacement
[20:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in testing ?
[20:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh and maybe it can handle multiple files in one go aswell ;)
[20:22] <_StefanS_>  /files/packages
[20:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we need to test
[20:22] <_StefanS_> yup
[20:22] <_StefanS_> I cant take it for a round when I'm done working
[20:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll package it toonight
[20:23] <_StefanS_> cant/can
[20:23] <_StefanS_> cool
[20:23] <Tonio_> ho there is a debian package already ;)
[20:23] <Artemis_Fowl> Tonio_: I saw it too. seems very promising
[20:24] <Tonio_> Artemis_Fowl: I'm just testing
[20:24] <_StefanS_> actually the best thing would be one application for all installation of .deb files, (be that from the internet or locally).
[20:24] <Tonio_> Artemis_Fowl: it wouldn't be bad getting rid of gdebi
[20:25] <Tonio_> 2 minutes to install............... thanks to gdebi
[20:25] <_StefanS_> 2 minutes?? although gdebi is slow i've never had to wait that long :=
[20:26] <_StefanS_> what I hate waiting for is that damn nvidia binary blob to redraw screens in 2d.. I'm amazed its that slow.
[20:27]  * _StefanS_ dont use 3d.
[20:34]  * ScottK2 thought the proper replacement for gdebi was dpkg.
[20:36] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: ping
[20:38] <smarter> sometimes gdebi takes 100% of my CPU during 5 minutes
[20:38] <smarter> but the dist-upgrader has the same problem
[20:42] <_StefanS_> smarter: the adept one?
[20:42] <smarter> yes
[20:42] <_StefanS_> smarter: thats odd
[20:43] <_StefanS_> smarter: I never seen it using 100% cpu for minutes at a time
[20:43] <smarter> never heard of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/107188 ?
[20:43] <ubot3> Malone bug 107188 in update-manager "[patch] Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory"" [High,Confirmed]
[20:43] <smarter> it crashes after a while
[20:43] <_StefanS_> lemme check
[20:43] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: Pong.
[20:43] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: hey
[20:44] <Artemis_Fowl> Artemis_Fowl: one single question:
[20:44] <_StefanS_> smarter: well, that dist-upgrade has never worked for me, I thought it was just regular updates
[20:44] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: one single question:*
[20:44] <mornfall> Yes?
[20:45] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: how may I enable exception handling using CMake (with -fexceptions)
[20:45] <Artemis_Fowl> 'cause I get /usr/include/apt-front/cache/entity/entity.h: In member function ‘void aptFront::cache::entity::Base::checkValid() const’:
[20:45] <mornfall> add_definitions( ${KDE4_DEFINITIONS} ${QT_DEFINITIONS}
[20:45] <mornfall>   -fexceptions ${OPT_FLAGS} )
[20:46] <mornfall> But, but... why don't you grab 3.0?
[20:46] <mornfall> 2.1 is as dead as it gets.
[20:46] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: will do so soon. but currently I am testing some code of my own :)
[20:47] <mornfall> What are you trying to achieve?
[20:49] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: Nothing specific. I am just trying to get the hang of libapt-front
[20:49] <mornfall> You know that it's obsolete, right?
[20:50] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: not really :) it got replaced by what???
[20:50] <mornfall> Check libept 0.5.x...
[20:51] <mornfall> (What adept 3 is based on.)
[20:51] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: I had to link against it for these lines of code to compile
[20:52] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: I think it is better documented, right?
[20:52] <mornfall> Consider libapt-front and libept < 0.5 a bunch of failed experiments.
[20:52] <mornfall> Documented? Dunno.
[20:54] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: Which lib does Synaptic use? Do you have any idea?
[20:54] <mornfall> Yuriy has been hacking on adept 3 a little, but I'm not sure it's much easier to grasp than 2.x.
[20:54] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: Raw apt-pkg, I believe.
[20:55] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: Do you have Hardy around?
[20:55] <mornfall> i386 buildd is stuck? Eh.
[20:55] <mornfall> Pending (1055)
[20:56] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: yeah. but currently working on Gutsy
[20:56] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: You could install adept 3.0 alpha 4 and play around with that. It requires KDE4 libs and recent libept and libwibble, that are not available in Gutsy I suppose.
[20:57] <mornfall> I'd call anything else a waste of time, unless you want to analyse the code for my old mistakes :-).
[20:57] <mornfall> (Which you can certainly do, and may be useful learning experience, but not sure it's worth the time.)
[20:57] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: ok :-)
[20:58] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: not so much time to waste....
[20:58] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: I'll check adept 3 tomorrow
[20:58] <mornfall> https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive -- you could grab the source and build it, if you want the source to read/edit anyway... (i386 appears to be stuck, as I say, so the binaries are blocked.)
[20:59] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: thanks
[21:00] <mornfall> There's a darcs repo at http://anna.fi.muni.cz/~xrockai/adept-3 (which I am updating right now).
[21:01] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: so much to check out and so little time...I'll see what I can do
[21:01] <mornfall> (Updated, so you should be able to get it and have alpha4 sources.)
[21:01] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: are you the maintainer of libept too?
[21:01]  * mornfall prods yuriy as well...
[21:02] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: Of the ept::core::* part, which I use in Adept, yes.
[21:02] <mornfall> There're other pieces outside of core:: that Enrico Zini maintains.
[21:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks for the upload :)
[21:03] <mornfall> One day, when we have time, we intend to refactor the bits outside core to use bits inside core for most of the work.
[21:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: better would be to remove the terminal from gdebi-kde as dist upgrade tool just had done
[21:50] <txwikinger> can only students do Summer of Code?
[21:53] <DaSkreech> That's the idea
[22:02]  * txwikinger starts to study again :)
[22:07] <seele> hum.. why do i have two printer icons in my system tray?
[22:10] <neversfelde|mobi> seele: me too
[22:38] <txwikinger> I think there is already a bug about those two printer icons
[22:41] <neversfelde|mobi> txwikinger: I searche a few days ago, but could not find one
[22:42] <txwikinger> hmmm.. maybe it was another thing that is twice in the system tray
[23:07] <Riddell> seele: blue one is the old KDE one, grey one is the new app
[23:07]  * seele squints
[23:07] <seele> is the grey one the png with transparent background and the blue one with a grey background?
[23:07] <seele> 'cause, they both look greyscale to me :)
[23:08] <Riddell> you might have the gnome printer applet
[23:08] <seele> hum.. how the hell did i manage that
[23:08] <Riddell> ps -ef | grep system-config-printer
[23:09] <seele> huh, so it is
[23:09] <seele> wonder when i did that, because i havent worked on printing stuff in a few weeks :)
[23:15] <Riddell> if its installed it will autostart on login
[23:23] <seele> so both printing systems will be running at the same time?
[23:32] <Riddell> seele: yes, they would do
[23:35] <ScottK2> So it's a feature, not a bug!
[23:36] <jjesse> evenign
[23:37] <jjesse> wow hotel internet provider just did attempted a port scan of my system
[23:38] <coreymon77> fun