[00:01] <DanaG> Correction on the "doesn't play .mod": I forgot I had headphones plugged in.
[00:02] <kyklone> :/
[00:03] <emet> nemo, so it's not just me then?
[00:03] <emet> good that means it might get fixed :P
[00:05] <ktogias> Hey all, we have filled a bug report about Greek language support in hardy alpha 6: "no latin layout when booting live cd with Greek settings". Anyone that can help, or suggest how we can handle this, take a look at: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/200803/
[00:05] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 200803 in console-setup "no latin layout when booting live cd with Greek settings" [Undecided,New]
[00:07] <hmuller> Something's going on with the gnome clock applet, if I click it, it freezes and so do the panels (Desktop amd64 Alpha 6)
[00:08] <hmuller> Can't use Alt-F2 key combo either
[00:18] <Mark_Milliman> Does sound work with the new -12 kernel?
[00:19] <mohbana> is there an app that allows to me do like a forced burn of an audio cd meaning say i want to add a track that is 85min to a 80min cd it will simply chop off the last 5 min?
[00:20] <hmuller> Mark_Milliman: It broke earlier, but it's working again for me after the latest batch of updates
[00:20] <Mark_Milliman> hmuller, then I'll give it a try
[00:21] <Mark_Milliman> I am still running on the -11 kernel because yesterday's -12 broke my sound
[00:22] <Mark_Milliman> I noticed the notes to the updates mentioned something about a sound fix in the kernel
[00:27] <hmuller> Check your clock applet before and after, I just noticed it's broke
[00:29] <Adys> anyone got wireshark working in ubuntu 8.04?
[00:30] <Mark_Milliman> Anyone running the -12 kernel with nvidia-glx-new?
[00:31] <DanaG> 1kcuts tog yek pugp ym  /lleh eht tahw
[00:32] <DanaG> .ppu dewercs yllatot s'taht  /kceh eht tahw
[00:32] <DanaG> 1hgraaaaaa
[00:32] <DanaG> 1grox ,tinmad
[00:32] <RAOF> Mark_Milliman: Yes.
[00:33] <RAOF> DanaG: I suggest using the "EN:US" keymap :P
[00:33] <DanaG> 1kcuts gnitteg draobyek 'nikcirf ym fo derit gnikcsf ma i
[00:33] <DanaG> .kcuts gnieb 'pugp' s'ti ,tuoyal draobyek eht ton s'ti
[00:33]  * RAOF thinks that looks like dvorakitis
[00:33] <Mark_Milliman> RAOF, what version of the nvidia driver are you using?
[00:33] <RAOF> nvidia-glx-new
[00:33] <DanaG> 'emoh' s'ti ebyam ro
[00:34] <hmuller> ok, I just tried breaking the clock applet by clicking it a third time (after restart) and it didn't break.  Can't reliable reproduce the problem.
[00:34] <RAOF> Mark_Milliman: 169.12+2.6.24.10-12.30 is the package version.
[00:34] <Mark_Milliman> RAOF, I just rebooted with -12 and it didn't load the driver that updated yesterday
[00:34] <Mark_Milliman> RAOF, I think that is what I have
[00:35] <RAOF> I obviously never update at bad times.  My lappy always works.
[00:35] <DanaG> I am sick and tired of this f***cked up keyboard in Xorg!
[00:35] <DanaG> oops, I think I mis-asterisk'd that.
[00:35] <RAOF> Too many *s
[00:35] <hmuller> or maybe too many consonants
[00:35] <Mark_Milliman> Synaptic says that's the version I have.
[00:36] <DanaG> You try typing with 'pgup' or 'home' stuck down!
[00:36] <Mark_Milliman> Maybe a reboot is in order.
[00:36] <RAOF> DanaG: Have you tried running an older kernel (maybe Gutsy's)?
[00:36] <RAOF> DanaG: If we could work out _when_ that broke we'd be much closer to being able to fix it.
[00:37] <hmuller> DanaG:  Wait, I've been having 'stuck' keys lately too, especially using emacs.  Except my laptop doesn't have sticky keys.  Could it be SCIM?
[00:37] <DanaG> Hmm, I'll try the older kernel.  I think the actual first breakage was after some Xorg update about a month ago.
[00:38] <DanaG> This time I was just scrolling with pgup and pgdn on this page.
[00:38] <DanaG> http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/07/the-newton-virus-spreads-joy/#comments
[00:39] <RAOF> hmuller: You've probably been holding down a key and getting a mouse event at the same time.  That triggers the bug for me.
[00:40] <hmuller> RAOF:  That explains it, probably the ALPS pad triggering it eh?
[00:55] <Toma-> can someone confirm there is now ext3 in 'cat /proc/filesystems' on the alternate installer?
[00:58] <Mark_Milliman> Can't run the -12 kernel with the nvidia-glx-new drivers in the distro
[00:58] <paul928> the topic needs to be changed....sound now works after today's upgrade :)
[00:59] <Mark_Milliman> Sound works video doesn't...at least for me
[00:59] <paul928> my video works fine, just can't mount ssh folders with nautilus
[01:00] <Mark_Milliman> paul928, are you using the nvidia-glx-new drivers?
[01:00] <paul928> let me look
[01:02] <paul928> nomasteryoda, I have the Nvidia Geforce driver
[01:02] <Mark_Milliman> paul928, what version of the driver?
[01:05] <paul928> I believe that it's the older version for a 5200
[01:05] <Mark_Milliman> I have the distro version for my 5200
[01:05] <Mark_Milliman> but it won't work with the -12 kernel
[01:06] <Mark_Milliman> At least for me
[01:06] <paul928> that's the kernel that I installed today. works for me.
[01:07] <Mark_Milliman> strange
[01:07] <Mark_Milliman> Strange it doesn't work for me
[01:08] <paul928> you might try reinstalling the driver
[01:08] <Mark_Milliman> I had to revert back to the -11 driver
[01:08] <Mark_Milliman> I already did
[01:09] <smallfoot-> 31 new updates in repo, yay
[01:10] <smallfoot-> there been CRAZY MANY updates today
[01:12] <teamcobra> uhoh, I think I got reconstructor working w/ lzma ;)
[01:12] <teamcobra> I'll report in a while after it chunks this iso
[01:14] <DanaG> Wow, I can 100% reproduce keyboard+mouse==stuckage.
[01:15] <RAOF> DanaG: With an older kernel?
[01:15] <DanaG> Haven't tried that yet.
[01:15] <DanaG> Might as well try it now.
[01:35] <DanaG> Well, the bug still happens with the old kernel.
[01:35] <Milos_SD> I readed on forums that someone had problems with latest updates ... something about busybox ...
[01:35] <DanaG> The old kernel is far more responsive, though -- for example, Gnome starts much faster.
[01:36] <RAOF> DanaG: So, it may well be that it actually _is_ xorg's fault, and probably started somewhere around a month ago?
[01:36] <Milos_SD> Does anybody else have that problem?
[01:36] <DanaG> Let me look at the changelogs for xorg package.
[01:36] <jepler> $ sudo -K
[01:36] <jepler> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Mar 11 01:36:06 2008
[01:36] <jepler> argh
[01:38] <DanaG> I don't remember when exactly it broke.
[01:39] <DanaG> Perhaps I should grep my pidgin logs for when I first started complaining about it.
[01:39] <RAOF> Not a bad plan :)
[01:40] <mooboo1> thanks to the guy who made update with audio
[01:40] <mooboo1> now i used update manager, and install update, and now my audio works again with kernel 2.6.24-12! YAY!!!!!!!! HAPPY DAY!!
[01:40] <Mark_Milliman> Doesn't help me mooboo1
[01:40] <mooboo1> oh?
[01:40] <Mark_Milliman> mooboo1 what video card do you have?
[01:40] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, your audio was broken, and you updated and its still broken?
[01:40] <Asa_A> I just installed Hardy and have read that it has PulseAudio enabled by default. I don't see any pulse tools or volume control. Is it not in Alpha 6?
[01:40] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, gf8600gt
[01:41] <mooboo1> Asa_A, i think PulseAudio is in use in alpha6, but its under the things, so you cant see it, but its there, and it works
[01:41] <Mark_Milliman> mooboo1, my audio was broken yesterday with the -12 kernel.
[01:41] <macogw> Asa_A: its there, but you need to install the gui config thingy if you want to do special stuff
[01:41] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, mine too, but now it works, i installed updates and rebooted and now it works
[01:42] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, try run the Update Manager, and reboot
[01:42] <Mark_Milliman> mooboo1, today I updated again with the new -12 and my nvidia-glx-new drivers don't work
[01:42] <Asa_A> 'k, because I have a sound card and a USB headset, so I need the tools to configure it
[01:42] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, oh... but i use nvidia-glx-new for my GeForce 8600 GT, and it does work for me
[01:42] <DanaG> Looks like January 31 is when I first started complaining about the key stuckage in #ubuntu+1.
[01:42] <Mark_Milliman> mooboo1, crap!
[01:42] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, what gfx card do you have?
[01:43] <Mark_Milliman> Did you remove yesterday's -12 kernel?
[01:43] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, yeah
[01:43] <Mark_Milliman> I have a 5200 Ultra
[01:43] <RAOF> DanaG: Time to report this on the bug.  Negative results are better than none at all :/
[01:43] <Asa_A> mooboo1, Do you know if the release will include the GUI? It just doesn't make sense to me to not include it.
[01:43] <Mark_Milliman> perhaps I should remove the -12 kernel and get it again
[01:43] <mooboo1> oh 5200 ultra is old, and the 5200 is the GeForceFX series, which i heard is pretty bad
[01:43] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, you tried update manager in last 5 mins?
[01:43] <Mark_Milliman> mooboo1, it was good at the time.
[01:44] <Mark_Milliman> mooboo1, doing it now
[01:44] <mooboo1> -11 = 5000 fps in glx gears
[01:44] <mooboo1> -12 = 8000 fps in glx gears
[01:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that "modifiers forgotten" bug should be grouped with the "repeat" bug.
[01:44] <mooboo1> i think maybe
[01:44] <Mark_Milliman> w00t
[01:44] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, found any update?
[01:45] <Mark_Milliman> mooboo1, 33 updates but nothing nvidia
[01:45] <Mark_Milliman> there was a generic kernel image
[01:45] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, yeah nothing nvidia, but there are kernel updates there
[01:45] <mooboo1> ya
[01:46] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, run: dpkg -l "*nvidia*" | grep ii
[01:46] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, mine says: ii  nvidia-glx-new                             169.12+2.6.24.10-12.30
[01:48] <Mark_Milliman> mine is nvidia-glx-new too
[01:48] <Mark_Milliman> with 169.12+2.6.24.10-12.30
[01:48] <Mark_Milliman> same
[01:49] <Mark_Milliman> my guess is that I need to remove the -12 kernel components and reinstall them through Synaptic
[01:49] <mooboo1> firefox beta4 out, please add to repostiroty!!
[01:50] <Mark_Milliman> I would think that the new version would have overwritten the old version
[01:50] <mooboo1> ya
[01:50] <Mark_Milliman> mooboo1, gonna eat dinner and try it after dinner
[01:50] <mooboo1> Mark_Milliman, okie, good luck :)
[01:50] <Mark_Milliman> thanks and maybe you will be aroudnnt then
[01:51] <Mark_Milliman> mooboo1 thanks
[01:52] <mooboo1> please tell package maintainer to add Firefox 3.0 new beta4 to repository
[01:53] <ethana2> mooboo1: it's out?
[01:53] <ethana2> today?
[01:53] <ethana2> already?
[01:54] <mooboo1> ethana2, yes its out, march 10
[01:54] <ethana2> checking the all  beta page
[01:54] <mooboo1> ethana2, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0b4/releasenotes/
[01:54] <ethana2> yes!
[01:55] <ethana2> it's out on the all-beta page
[01:55] <DanaG> I hope they add a redirect blacklist or a redirect whitelist.
[01:55] <ethana2> should i download it now, or just wait a few hours and update?
[01:55] <DanaG> Otherwise I have to turn redirect-blocking off and on for different sites.
[01:56] <mooboo1> ethana2, i want it now... but i guess i wait few hours and update, then nothing will break
[01:57] <ethana2> anyone taken it against ACID3 yet?
[01:57] <ethana2> how does it fare?
[02:01] <ethana2> interesting..  ff3b4 doesn't have arabic or hebrew for OSX
[02:01] <twb> Regarding the error I reported earlier; I fixed it by replacing libnss-ldap with libnss-ldapd (from universe).
[02:02] <twb> Not that I expect anyone here to care, on account of it not being GNOME wankery.
[02:03] <RAOF> twb: That might make a useful bug report, though?
[02:03] <twb> Bah.
[02:03] <twb> I continue to boycott launchpad.
[02:04] <RAOF> Oh, right.  Sorry.  I forgot you were Mr No Graphical Browser :)
[02:05]  * RAOF didn't see what was broken in the first place, either.
[02:05] <ethana2> twb: it would be nice to not have to use a browser for that
[02:05] <twb> Ah, it's scrolled away
[02:05] <ethana2> gtk-launchpad, anyone?
[02:05] <ethana2> completely automatic, maybe
[02:06] <twb> ethana2: reportbug + python-launchpad
[02:06] <ethana2> twb: sounds great
[02:06] <ethana2> i don't want to have to do anything
[02:06] <ethana2> just like use a debug version alpha
[02:06] <twb> RAOF: So with hardy on both server and client, and /etc/ldap/ldap.conf being a symlink to /etc/ldap.conf, and /etc/nsswitch.conf using ldap for passwd/group/shadow...  ldapsearch -x works on both client and server.  getent passwd works (and returns LDAP entries) on the server.  getent passwd hangs on the client.  What can I do to isolate the fault?  tcpdump indicates that packets stop flowing between client and
[02:06] <twb> server shortly after launching "getent passwd", but getent doesn't return.
[02:06] <ethana2> ...privacy can be protected fairly easily
[02:08] <RAOF> twb: That sounds like a job for #ubuntu-server.  I think it's a little beyond me.
[02:08] <twb> Oh, I didn't know about that channel.
[02:08] <RAOF> Well, at least one good thing has come of this then :)
[02:08] <twb> That might explain why #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 are always so flipping useless for my needs.
[02:09] <twb> RAOF: indeed, yes, thank you!
[02:11] <RAOF> I'm not sure how busy #ubuntu-server is, but people occaisionally get referred there :)
[02:11] <ethana2> like me
[02:11] <ethana2> trying to virtualize windows using intel VT for Office
[02:12] <ethana2> i wonder if they fixed virt-manager yet
[02:15] <lamalex> Can anyone in here help me figure out why gnome-clock crashes my panel?
[02:16] <Hydrogen> answer = program.left('-')
[02:20] <mooboo1> ethana2, it passes like 66 out of 100 or something
[02:20] <mooboo1> i think
[02:21] <ethana2> oh
[02:21] <ethana2> ok there.. the keyboard for this seat
[02:21] <ethana2> got dissconnected..  AT-> PS/2...  I hate it..
[02:21] <ethana2> now i need to reroute all kinds of cords and hope it doesn't mess up my configuration
[02:22] <ethana2> i suppose i should take a look at userful's .conf files or something....
[02:22] <ethana2> meh, i'll just redo it if i have to
[02:22] <Slant> In Hardy, is there a way to disable scim for a single user without uninstalling it?
[02:23] <lamalex> Slant: I just modified the bindings so that I wouldn't accidentally switch
[02:27] <ethana2> i'm going to rearrange my dual seat system and hope it doesn't have to be reconfigured...
[02:27] <ethana2> i trust the people who made userful used product ID for input devices instead of bus locations
[02:27] <ethana2> back in 30
[02:30] <mesilliac> Slant: you can disable it for all users through system > administration > Language support --> uncheck "enable support to enter complex characters", but I'm not sure how to for a single user
[02:31] <Hillbilly1980> Hi, can someone tell me what the new bluetooth pairing commands are?
[02:31] <Asa_A> Has anyone else here had trouble with scim, when I type it will suddenly change my keyboard layout. I want to disable it, but exiting scim just restarts it
[02:31] <Slant> Heh.
[02:32] <Slant> So guess the scim issue is something a lot of people have been complaining about?
[02:32] <Asa_A> shift+space activates it but earlier it kept getting triggerd with shift+i
[02:32] <Pici> I think I'm going to teach myself Aramaic so it doesn't annoy me as much.
[02:32] <Slant>  
[02:32] <Asa_A> which makes it difficult to say 'I' :(
[02:33] <Slant> Pici: ጥሃት ሶኡንድስ ግረአት.
[02:33] <Pici> Exactly.
[02:33] <Asa_A> እ ቻን ዶ ትሃት ቶኦ ፡"(
[02:33] <Slant> Clearest indication of a serious UX issue - that we can all start entering Aramaic so quickly and easily.
[02:34] <DanaG> √♥ = ?
[02:34] <DanaG> ∫♥ dt = ?
[02:35] <DanaG> "Latex" table.
[02:37] <RequinB4> hardy keeps freezing on direct CD install at the time zone (step 3).  This is on virtualbox.
[02:37] <macogw> just turn it off
[02:38] <wastrel> amharic <3
[02:38] <macogw> just go to the languages thing and uncheck "allow complex character input"
[02:38] <wastrel> i don't have scim installed or running
[02:38] <RequinB4> just turn it off?
[02:38] <wastrel> hrm no scim is installed
[02:38] <Asa_A> where is the languages thing?
[02:38] <crimsun> hotwire FTW.
[02:38] <macogw> RequinB4: the scim thing
[02:39] <wastrel> just not running
[02:39] <macogw> system -> admin -> languages
[02:39] <RequinB4> macogw: oh, heh
[02:39] <macogw> er "language support"
[02:39] <macogw> there's a checkbox
[02:40] <DanaG> I like scim, once you disallow it from eating spaces and shift-ctrl and ctrl-shift (at least on the left side of the keyboard).
[02:41] <macogw> i needed scim so i could do japanese homework
[02:41] <Pici> I dont know why I have scim.
[02:41] <macogw> the best part of doing japanese homework on ubuntu is that when the teacher disallows copy & paste on the webpage, highlight & middle-click still work
[02:41] <macogw> Pici: part of the default instal
[02:42] <DanaG> I just don't let webpages break context menus.
[02:42] <DanaG> Hint: menu key is cool, too.  Or select and drag.
[02:43] <RequinB4> Meh, about to get the alt cd to instal this sucker
[02:44] <macogw> Asa_A: did you do what i just suggested?
[02:45] <Asa_A> yea, I had to reboot to get it to go away, but it seems ok now
[02:45] <Asa_A> I tried to just log out, but X never came back, so I had to log into a console and reboot
[02:51] <danag1> does compiz crash on you guys too?
[02:51] <macogw> no
[02:51] <danag1> like: entire freeze of x.org
[02:51] <macogw> emerald does though
[02:51] <danag1> what is emerald again
[02:52] <macogw> sometimes X crashes
[02:52] <macogw> window decorato
[02:52] <danag1> ah yes
[02:52] <danag1> well for me the whole desktop froze
[02:52] <dashua> Has anyone successfully manage to get wireless networking on a Dell XPS m1530?
[02:52] <danag1> no ctrl-alt-backspace
[02:52] <danag1> no control alt-f1
[02:52] <danag1> mouse pointer i still could move
[02:52] <RAOF> danag1: Using nvidia? :)
[02:52] <danag1> radeon
[02:53] <danag1> i think 16mb radeon
[02:53] <danag1> on 1400x1050 16bpp
[02:53] <RAOF> Ooh, oldschool.
[02:53] <danag1> i read it causes trouble
[02:53] <danag1> :)
[02:53] <danag1> thinkpad t41, i like :)
[02:53] <daSKreech> hal is broken?
[02:53] <danag1> for me?
[02:53] <danag1> how do i find out
[02:53] <crimsun> danag1: it did with Ubuntu kernels -10, -11, and -12.
[02:54] <crimsun> (i915)
[02:54] <crimsun> now that I'm using vanilla upstream, it's much more stable.
[02:54] <DanaG> Wait, is somebody mimicking my name?
[02:55] <DanaG> Or is it somebody who just happens to have a similar first name and last-initial>
[02:55] <Hillbilly1980> can someone tell me what the replacement for hidd is in hardy?
[02:55] <Hillbilly1980> i'm trying to connect my bluetooth mouse
[02:55] <danag1> lets see i have -11 generic
[02:55] <danag1> but there are some greyed out packages in update manager... like network manager
[02:55] <RAOF> Hillbilly1980: System->Preferences->Bluetooth
[02:56] <danag1> and the new kernel, i presume
[02:56] <danag1> how do i install those?
[02:56] <macogw> danag1: dont
[02:56] <macogw> danag1: sound go *crash* in -12 kernel
[02:56] <Hillbilly1980> That doesn't give me any ability to pair with my mouse
[02:56] <macogw> that'd be a dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade, though
[02:56] <Pici> macogw: sound is fixed in -12 now.
[02:56] <macogw> they're greyed out for safe-upgrade
[02:57] <macogw> Pici: oh really?
[02:57] <Pici> Or, thats what they tell me.
[02:57] <macogw> i just installed the -12 kernel like a half hour ago and havent rebooted yet
[02:57] <crimsun> well, yes, disabling sound completely in -11 broke it.
[02:58] <Hillbilly1980> Seriously there is no graphical way i can see that you can search for an connect to a device.
[02:59] <danag1> macogw: thanks. so i should just wait until the packages become available in update manager
[02:59] <macogw> Hillbilly1980: whats that bluetooth thing in applications -> accessories do?
[02:59] <macogw> danag1: im not sure....i would expect them to show as a dist upgrade in there...
[02:59] <macogw> danag1: i did "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" to get them
[03:00] <crimsun> hmm, I wonder if Tollef forgot to reenable Browse Device..
[03:00] <crimsun> (in bluez-gnome)
[03:01] <crimsun> Gvfs supports OBEX, so I'm not sure why that option remains disabled via compile-time patch
[03:01] <danag1> i like to go through the graphical tools
[03:01] <Hillbilly1980> No bluetooth apps in applications > accessories
[03:03]  * DanaG suddenly wants a banana split.
[03:07] <Mark_Milliman> Funny, I removed all traces of the -12 kernel and I thought update manager would prompt me to reload them and it didn't.
[03:07] <mooboo1> DanaG, is the "key get stuck down" specific to Xorg, you think?
[03:07] <mooboo1> im not sure wether its kernel or xorg or what it is
[03:07] <crimsun> no, it's a dynticks issue.
[03:07] <Mark_Milliman> I guess I'll have to let Synaptic deal with it
[03:08] <mooboo1> crimsun, key get stuck down is a dynticks issue?
[03:08] <DanaG> It only started happening after a specific xorg issue, though.
[03:08] <mooboo1> oh
[03:08] <DanaG> I grepped through my pidgin logs, and found that the first time I mentioned it was on January 31.
[03:09] <crimsun> it's a dynticks issue, yes.
[03:09] <RAOF> crimsun: Um, I can "browse device".  Is the notification icon not bluez-gnome?
[03:09] <mooboo1> oh
[03:09] <crimsun> RAOF: it is.  Has it been reenabled?
[03:09] <mooboo1> crimsun, you know if there is any fix to this planned or something?
[03:10] <crimsun> mooboo1: it's an open issue in the upstream bug tracker.
[03:10] <mooboo1> or any way to disable dynticks like
[03:10] <RAOF> crimsun: Seems to have been.  Works for me, and I haven't done anything special.
[03:10] <mooboo1> or any way to disable dynticks like 'echo 0 > /sys/blah/dynticks' or something?
[03:10] <crimsun> Hillbilly1980: see ^
[03:11] <DanaG> I wonder why it only started after an Xorg update.
[03:12] <Mark_Milliman> Just rebuilt my -12 kernel...going to reboot to see if it works.
[03:12] <mooboo1> crimsun, oh
[03:12] <mooboo1> well i hope they fix it
[03:13] <Hillbilly1980> 1. I্দল  I don't have an app in applications > accessories, i do have a bluetooth icon by the clock
[03:13] <Hillbilly1980> i can't right click on it, the only plug in mouse i have is a single click apple
[03:13] <Hillbilly1980> i suspect there is a browse or something under there, but i have no way of getting to it
[03:14] <macogw> Hillbilly1980: does ctrl+click get you right click?
[03:14] <mooboo1> well lots of people have the key stuck problem, why dont the kernel developers fix it?
[03:14] <macogw> Hillbilly1980: there should be a "bluetooth analyser" in accessories
[03:14] <Flannel> mooboo1: Do you know what bug it is?
[03:14] <macogw> Hillbilly1980: and another bluetooth thing in system -> preferences
[03:14] <Hillbilly1980> macogw it does not
[03:15] <Hillbilly1980> there is one in preferences but no way to browse or pair
[03:15] <Hillbilly1980> there isnt' one in accessorcies , i just deinstalled and reinstalled the blue tooth analyzer in add/removed programs
[03:16] <Hillbilly1980> it's still not listed in accessories
[03:16] <morphir> does flash w / audio work for you guys?
[03:16] <macogw> Hillbilly1980: can you just run it from a terminal then
[03:16] <macogw> Hillbilly1980: and once you get the mouse going, re-add it to where it goes in the menu (or unhide it...it could just be un-checked)
[03:17] <macogw> i cant tell ya how it works...i dont have bt
[03:17] <crimsun> mooboo1: boot with nohz=off and see if that resolves it
[03:18] <Hillbilly1980> what is the command called to run it from terminal?
[03:18] <macogw> bluetooth-analyzer
[03:18] <mesilliac> Hillbilly1980: sorry I missed the start of this... is your problem the lack of a graphical way to pair a bt device?
[03:18] <macogw> you can start typing "bluetooth" and hit tab a couple times and itll list the available options
[03:19] <Hillbilly1980> i would do it either way
[03:19] <mooboo1> crimsun, i dont know how todo that
[03:19] <Hillbilly1980> but hidd connect no longer works
[03:19] <ethana2> good
[03:19] <macogw> mooboo1: hit Esc on GRUB so you see the list of kernels
[03:19] <Mark_Milliman> w00t!  I got the -12 kernel to work:  Linux Coronado 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Mon Mar 10 15:32:00 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:19] <ethana2> my dual seat still works
[03:19] <Hillbilly1980> the command is gone, i assuem replaced with hcitool but hcitool -cc xx:xx:xx:xx:xx doesn't seem to start a connection either
[03:19] <morphir> could anyone go over to youtube and check whether sound works?
[03:20] <macogw> mooboo1: hit "e" to edit the kernel you're on.  hit the down arrow so you're on the long line and hit "e" to edit that line.  type "nohz=off" without the quotes at the end and hit enter. then press "b" to boot it
[03:20] <mesilliac> Yeah. hidd is gone. The correct way to pair it is: open bluetooth-preferences (e.g. by right clicking on the bt tray icon), go to "services", click on your service type (probably "input service" and click "add" down the bottom
[03:20] <macogw> mesilliac: he cant right click
[03:20] <macogw> mesilliac: he has a mac mouse
[03:20] <Hillbilly1980> which i can't do cause my mouse has no right click
[03:20] <Hillbilly1980> so i'm trapped
[03:21] <macogw> Hillbilly1980: cant you do ctrl+click or something?
[03:21] <Hillbilly1980> i have to map a key to right click i suppose
[03:21] <Hillbilly1980> no it doesn't work
[03:21] <macogw> Hillbilly1980: there should be an option in the mouse thing to change how that works, i think
[03:21] <mesilliac> oh :) isn't it in Menu > System > Prefs > Bluetooth?
[03:21] <Hillbilly1980> i've tried f12 f11, alt, crl
[03:21] <DanaG> Oh hey, what's the upstream kernel bug number?
[03:21] <morphir> ouch. I thought pulseaudio solved the problem with play from 2 audio sources at the same time.
[03:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, try the 'menu' key.
[03:21] <ethana2> morphir: can it do two users?
[03:21] <ethana2> i want each user to get one channel
[03:21] <ethana2> L and R mono
[03:22] <DanaG> If they don't install all the good stuff (like libflashsupport and the GUI stuff), then there's no point to PA.
[03:22] <ethana2> yeah
[03:22] <crimsun> morphir: no, it doesn't "solve" it.
[03:22] <DanaG> Mmm, mono.
[03:22] <lamalex> not getting your post answered on ubtuntu forums sucks :(
[03:22] <morphir> crimsun, :(
[03:22] <DanaG> Lots of my music uses stereo effects.
[03:22] <ethana2> i also need to get one of these seats onto my other gpu
[03:22] <lamalex> anyone have any ideas for this  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=720995
[03:22] <crimsun> there's no potion to end world hunger
[03:22] <Black_Magic> i cant upgrade now because its talking about packages  cant be upgraded before it even starts fetching or installing packages
[03:22] <morphir> crimsun, playing from 2 audio sources at the same time is a big pita with linux desktop
[03:22] <Hydrogen> listening to people whine about their problems not being answered is even more annoying, trust me lamalex
[03:23] <crimsun> morphir: by default, absolutely.
[03:23] <Hillbilly1980> yeh menu key doesn't do rigth click either, and there is no option in preferences > mouse to add a control key for right click
[03:23] <crimsun> morphir: are you attempting to use flash with rhythmbox, for instance?
[03:23] <morphir> crimsun, is there a solution you say?
[03:23] <morphir> crdlb, indeed
[03:23] <crimsun> morphir: then install libflashsupport.
[03:23] <lamalex> ouch
[03:23] <crimsun> installing the flashplugin-nonfree package via a package manager should take care of that
[03:24] <morphir> crimsun, yeah. I thought that was installed
[03:24] <morphir> lets see
[03:24] <crimsun> thought it was or is in fact installed?
[03:24] <crimsun> and because Flash is non-free, there are some annoying bugs that can't be resolved easily
[03:25] <ethana2> gnash FTW
[03:25] <morphir> crimsun, yeh, but the lib is free, yes?
[03:25] <ethana2> gnash has the potential to make life so much easier
[03:25] <desrt> s/gnash/swfdec/
[03:25] <ethana2> morphir: not capital f
[03:26] <crimsun> morphir: should be, yes.
[03:26] <ethana2> wait, now i'm confused...  I just want glitz used to render flash
[03:26] <ethana2> i don't want my CPU doing all that stuff
[03:26] <ethana2> and i want the freedom to move to, say SPARC
[03:26] <morphir> libflashsupport is installed
[03:27] <RAOF> desrt: My understanding was that swfdec and gnash are good at different things?  IE: swfdec has generally been better at, say, google video and youtube, whereas gnash has a more complete flash implementation elsewhere?
[03:27] <ethana2> gnash doesn't use swfdec?
[03:27] <ethana2> swfdec is a codec, no?
[03:27] <ethana2> gnash can use all codecs
[03:27] <ethana2> so if swfdec is installed with gstreamer or whatever, it should be fine
[03:27] <crimsun> morphir: reproducible across a Web browser restart?
[03:28] <morphir> currently I'm confused - should not pulseaudio be the new kid that solved this issue with multiple sound servers?
[03:28] <macogw> crimsun: by the way, mythtv's sound went *poof* later that day after messing with libflashsupport.  so rhythmbox & flash is dandy now...and myth is mute
[03:29] <dmb> will hardy include firefox 3 as its default browser?
[03:29] <RAOF> ethana2: swfdec isn't a codec, because flash isn't a codec (video codecs rarely include the ability to code playback controls :))
[03:29] <DanaG> Here's my impression of Adobe's flash plugin:
[03:29] <DanaG> *segfault*
[03:29] <ethana2> oh, ok
[03:29] <macogw> dmb: so far it does
[03:29] <DanaG> Restart session... back.... *segfault*
[03:29] <ethana2> RAOF: I thought flash had its own new native video format
[03:30] <ethana2> .flv
[03:30] <dmb> DanaG: i have that safe feeling with FGLRX
[03:30] <macogw> dmb: but it wont be final by release so either release candidate will be in there at release or 2 will go out and be updated in 8.04.1
[03:30] <dmb> nice
[03:30] <RAOF> ethana2: flash actually supports a bunch of a/v codecs.
[03:31] <ethana2> i know that, RAOF; i thought it had its own to add to them though
[03:31] <teamcobra> ok, I've made a custom livecd, and packaged in some programs... I'd like to manually add a launcher button (and possibly a desktop icon) to the default user's desktop, is there an easy way to do this by hand in a chrooted environment?
[03:31] <morphir> crimsun, well - this does not seem to work
[03:32] <morphir> one have to play one at a time
[03:32] <crimsun> macogw: mythtv uses dmix.  Dmix doesn't play with pulseaudio per its default config in Ubuntu.
[03:33] <crimsun> macogw: (you can make PA use default instead of hw:X)
[03:33] <macogw> crimsun: how?
[03:34] <crimsun> macogw: edit /etc/pulse/default.pa
[03:35] <crimsun> macogw: you'll need to comment out load-module module-hal-detect
[03:36] <crimsun> macogw: then you'll need to uncomment load-module module-alsa-sink and edit it to read load-module module-alsa-sink device=plug:dmix
[03:36] <crimsun> macogw: and, of course, restart PA (by logging out and back in, probably)
[03:37] <crimsun> morphir: which apps?  sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*
[03:38] <macogw> crimsun: /me goes to try
[03:39] <macogw> sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart should do it too right?
[03:39] <macogw> cuz that didnt make myth work
[03:39] <morphir> crimsun, pulseaudi 6026 morphir   20u   CHR  116,0      11760 /dev/snd/controlC0
[03:39] <morphir> mixer_app 6187 morphir   20u   CHR  116,0      11760 /dev/snd/controlC0
[03:39] <morphir> alsamixer 7404 morphir    3u   CHR  116,0      11760 /dev/snd/controlC0
[03:40] <crimsun> macogw: um, no.  We don't use system-wide pulseaudio for a bevy of reasons.
[03:40] <morphir> which is?
[03:40] <macogw> crimsun: oh ok
[03:40] <crimsun> macogw: it's invoked per-user in the session via ESounD emulation.
[03:40] <macogw> why's it in init.d then?
[03:41] <crimsun> macogw: for servers.  Think Edubuntu.
[03:41] <macogw> oh
[03:41] <macogw> so i can take it out of my rc*.d's?
[03:42] <crimsun> macogw: well, if you really want to, sure.  It's not started by default due to /etc/default/pulseaudio
[03:42] <macogw> crimsun: oh ok
[03:42] <macogw> is this a weird init v upstart thing?
[03:42] <crimsun> no
[03:42] <macogw> i thought anything in the rc's started
[03:43] <macogw> oh, and the kid said his sound seems to resume properly from hibernate on gutsy now for no apparent reason so he's not gonna try a6
[03:43] <crimsun> generally, yes, but inspecting /etc/init.d/pulseaudio will show you why the default configuration of /etc/default/pulseaudio prevents it from being used as a system-wide daemon.
[03:43] <ethana2> wait, what?
[03:43] <macogw> ok
[03:43] <ethana2> i can't use it for both seats?
[03:43] <crimsun> ethana2: "it" being?
[03:44] <ethana2> pulseaudio
[03:44] <crimsun> ethana2: it's enabled for the foreground/active session.
[03:44] <ethana2> crimsun: i have two.
[03:44] <ethana2> two active sessions, right now
[03:45] <macogw> crimsun: there's a PA config thing, i heard.  thats not the regular system -> preferences -> sound, right?
[03:45] <ethana2> my dad's on the second seat researching something
[03:45] <crimsun> ethana2: both of them are active on one screen?
[03:45] <ethana2> two screens
[03:45] <ethana2> two of everything
[03:45] <crimsun> ethana2: no, it can't handle that.
[03:45] <ethana2> awwwwwww
[03:45] <ethana2> *sob*
[03:45] <crimsun> well, by default it can't.
[03:45] <ethana2> I'll find a way
[03:45] <macogw> crimsun: so what would it do in an edubuntu ltsp lab?
[03:46] <crimsun> ethana2: just use the system-wide option
[03:46] <ethana2> ok
[03:46] <crimsun> macogw: system-wide is completely different.
[03:46] <DanaG> Why not get a USB sound card for one person?
[03:46] <ethana2> money
[03:46]  * ethana2 goes to eat
[03:47] <crimsun> macogw: @pulse-access
[03:47] <DanaG> What audio device?  Some sort of surround-based one>
[03:48] <crimsun> morphir: no, I mean which apps are you using?
[03:48] <macogw> crimsun: @?
[03:48] <crimsun> morphir: a Web browser and ..?
[03:48] <crimsun> macogw: the pulse-access group
[03:48] <macogw> oh
[03:49] <morphir> crimsun, flash and rythmbox
[03:50] <morphir> pretty default I tell you ;)
[03:50] <crimsun> sec, phone.
[03:56] <crimsun> morphir: gconftool-2 --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink
[03:56] <morphir> crimsun, autoaudiosink
[03:57] <crimsun> morphir: which Web site is exhibiting this symptom?
[03:57] <morphir> youtube
[03:58] <morphir> there is no symptom really
[03:58] <morphir> it's just sound as it's always has been on linux
[03:58] <morphir> one at a time
[03:59] <crimsun> morphir: and this is with a default config?  No editing of any asoundrc?
[03:59] <morphir> nope, not at all
[03:59] <Amaranth> morphir: sound hasn't been like that in quite some time
[03:59] <crimsun> morphir: do two instances of paplay work?
[04:00] <Amaranth> we've at least had dmix so as long as your applications were using alsa (and really only games don't) it shouldn't have been a problem
[04:00] <Amaranth> well, some things use jack, esd, arts, etc but those do the same thing as dmix, roughly
[04:03] <morphir> see. I have to clue when it comes to audio. I just want it to work
[04:03] <morphir> not having to make sure that all flash sites in ff are closed
[04:04] <crimsun> yes, we all want that.
[04:05] <crimsun> if someone else wants to pick up the troubleshooting, here are things to run down:
[04:05] <crimsun> 1) ensure concurrent (and overlapping) paplay instances work as expected.
[04:06] <crimsun> 2) ensure GSt is choosing pulsesink
[04:06] <crimsun> 3) see the symptoms when FF is opened to Youtube (but no other audio apps are open)
[04:07]  * morphir nods
[04:07] <crimsun> 4) see the symptoms when Rhythmbox is playing and paplay is playing
[04:07] <crimsun> 5) repeat (4), but open FF to Youtube
[04:08] <crimsun> the results from each of those symptoms needs to be documented in one (just one for them all) bug report filed against the pulseaudio source package on Launchpad
[04:08] <crimsun> also, include the output from the alsa-info.sh scripta
[04:08] <crimsun> ^ script
[04:09] <crimsun> I need to turn in, as I have an early flight
[04:16] <DanaG> damnvidia.
[04:16] <DanaG> Just got an Xorg freeze that needed magic sysrq.
[04:16]  * RAOF hasn't been seeing those so much.
[04:16] <RAOF> I've just had the "it looks like X has totally frozen" until the next annoying black blink.
[04:17] <ethana2> hmmm
[04:17] <ethana2> i have three heads
[04:17] <ethana2> and my machine is using one of the wrong ones
[04:17] <ethana2> i want to use one head from each gpu
[04:18] <ethana2> so i can use compositing window managers on both seats and save cpu cycles and such
[04:18] <DanaG> Are both GPUs by the same vendor, or is one Intel and one NVIDIA, and such?
[04:18] <ethana2> one intel one ati
[04:18] <ethana2> intel integrated
[04:18] <ethana2> they're about equivalent in power actually
[04:19] <DanaG> You could try specifying a driver for each.
[04:19] <macogw> crimsun: does creative xfi work in ubuntu ootb or require 3rd party drivers?
[04:19] <macogw> crimsun: someone in #ubuntu wants help making it work
[04:19] <DanaG> Creative is evil, in my opinion.
[04:19] <RAOF> macogw: He'd be asleep :)
[04:19] <ethana2> DanaG: i never touched config files for this
[04:19] <ethana2> i don't know where userful puts them
[04:19] <ethana2> xorg.conf is as boring and unhelpful as ever
[04:19] <macogw> RAOF: oh i didnt see that
[04:20] <macogw> i just saw he was recent
[04:20] <RAOF> ethana2: Hit the button to enable Metacity's compositor? :)
[04:20] <ethana2> but i have no opengl
[04:20] <RAOF> Doesn't matter.
[04:20] <ethana2> because one card is running two instances of X
[04:20] <RAOF> Composite != OpenGL, and Metacity's compositor doesn't require OpenGL, just Composite.
[04:21] <ethana2> wait, RAOF; do you mean metacity can cache all windows and speed up rendering
[04:21] <ethana2> hmmmmm
[04:21] <RAOF> Well, it's not going to speed up rendering (but then neither is Compiz).
[04:21] <ethana2> ok, this will eliminate tearing, right?
[04:21] <RAOF> But it *is* going to cache all the windows.
[04:21] <ethana2> i want to redrawing
[04:21] <RAOF> If the driver is written correctly, yes :)
[04:21] <ethana2> just repainting from window buffers
[04:21] <ethana2> ok, where do i go to do this?
[04:21] <RAOF> Yeah.  No more decoration candy.
[04:22] <RAOF> gconf-editor: /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager
[04:22] <ethana2> ok, turned it on
[04:22] <ethana2> do i have to log out and back in?
[04:22] <ethana2> is this stable?
[04:22] <RAOF> Moderately.
[04:22] <ethana2> ok
[04:23] <RAOF> No, you don't have to log out.  The composite manager is now enabled.
[04:23] <ethana2> oh, ok
[04:23] <ethana2> seems better
[04:23] <ethana2> looks like it's doing what I want
[04:23] <RAOF> If you start a new gnome-terminal it should have proper transparency.
[04:23] <RAOF> AWN should work, etc.
[04:23] <ethana2> oh?
[04:23] <ethana2> i'll try starting it
[04:23] <ethana2> so for that i must log out, right?
[04:24] <RAOF> No.
[04:24] <ethana2> ok, starting AWN
[04:24] <ethana2> uh
[04:24] <ethana2> fail
[04:24] <RAOF> Big black box?
[04:24] <RAOF> No output at all?
[04:24] <ethana2> nothing at all
[04:24] <ethana2> it just.. didn't show up
[04:24] <RAOF> It's possible that your driver doesn't support Composite while running 2 X instances... but that would suck.
[04:25] <ethana2> it seems to be doing it though
[04:25] <ethana2> like, not redrawing
[04:25] <ethana2> only repainting
[04:25] <DanaG> Metacity doesn't like switching that feature on the fly.
[04:25] <ethana2> wait...
[04:25] <DanaG> Try restarting metacity.
[04:25] <ethana2> oh, ok
[04:25] <ethana2> so...
[04:25] <ethana2> i'll just kill it via terminal emulator
[04:25] <ethana2> and start it again
[04:25] <ethana2> wait, that'll take it down on both seats
[04:26] <DanaG> and then run it with ampersand to detach, and then type 'exit' (don't just close the window).
[04:26] <ethana2> oh well
[04:26] <ethana2> uyp
[04:26] <DanaG> Kill it as one user only.
[04:26] <DanaG> Not as root.
[04:26] <ethana2> both seats
[04:26] <ethana2> well it's back up already
[04:26] <ethana2> seems the same
[04:27] <ethana2> i guess i shouldn't count on that
[04:27] <ethana2> let's see... how do i move one head to another card?
[04:28] <ethana2> this isn't exactly what i wanted to do anyway
[04:28] <DanaG> Is that 'userful' thingy a package?
[04:28] <DanaG> Try dpkg --listfiles
[04:28] <ethana2> yeah
[04:29] <ethana2> | grep userful?
[04:29] <DanaG> rather, dpkg --listfiles userful
[04:29] <ethana2> Oh?
[04:29] <ethana2> Package 'userful' is not installed.
[04:29] <calc> how do you determine the mime-type of a file?
[04:29] <ethana2> ooohhhhhh
[04:29] <ethana2> desktop-multiplier
[04:29] <DanaG> Or whatever the deb package is.
[04:30] <calc> is there a program to run against a file to spit it out?
[04:32] <RAOF> calc: file is pretty good at that.
[04:32] <ethana2> DanaG: huge list of files with 'desktop-multiplier'
[04:33] <ethana2> DanaG: ...all over my system
[04:33] <RAOF> calc: In particular, you'd be after "file --mime $FILE"
[04:33] <ethana2> ooh, i think i found what i want
[04:33] <ethana2> DanaG: /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers.multi
[04:33]  * DanaG has only his one laptop LCD to work with, so has no point in installing desktop-multiplier.
[04:34] <calc> RAOF: it doesn't seem to know the mimetype of a .602 file
[04:34] <DanaG> Try without --mime
[04:34] <calc> RAOF: OOo opens it under gnome but i wanted to find out the mimetype to make sure it works on kde as well
[04:34] <calc> cti_lasr.602: T602 document data, CP 852
[04:34] <calc> cti_lasr.602: application/octet-stream
[04:34] <calc> so not anything particular useul
[04:34] <calc> er useful
[04:34] <calc> also doesn't work for OOo filetypes
[04:35] <calc> test-document2.odt: application/x-zip
[04:35] <RAOF> Err.
[04:36] <calc> its technically right on both accounts but not really specific enough to use (at least aiui)
[04:37] <calc> and something is causing it to be more accurate since it knew to open the .602 in ooo by default
[04:38] <awalton__> calc, if you're using gnome (or really, gvfs), gvfs-info will tell you the content type of a file, which is looks up from shared-mime-info
[04:38] <RAOF> awalton__: _That_'s what I was looking for, thanks :)
[04:38] <calc> awalton__: ah cool :-)
[04:39] <emet_> !info firefox
[04:39] <ubotwo> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.6+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8960 kB, installed size 26008 kB (Only available for None)
[04:40] <emet_> ./.
[04:40] <emet_> firefox 3 beta 4 out
[04:40] <calc> hmm more confusing i don't see where it determines to open it in ooo
[04:41] <calc> claims the content-type is application/x-t602
[04:46] <RAOF> calc: But if OOo's mimetype includes a handler for x-t602, that'd be fine.
[04:51] <Mark_Milliman> emet_, but it is not in the ubuntu repros yets
[04:52] <Amaranth> Jeez guys, so impatient
[04:52] <Mark_Milliman> Amaranth, I'd like to see some of the bugs in FF3b3 fixex
[04:53] <Amaranth> Mark_Milliman: And when did beta 4 come out?
[04:53] <Mark_Milliman> Amaranth, I guess tonight
[04:54] <Amaranth> Mark_Milliman: wait two days
[04:54] <Amaranth> Probably not even that long but just to be on the safe side
[04:55] <Mark_Milliman> Probably
[04:55] <Mark_Milliman> I'm not in any real hurry
[04:55] <Mark_Milliman> since most of the extensions I use have not been updated
[04:55] <Mark_Milliman> Google is waaaay behind updating the toolbar, sync, and some other stuff
[04:56] <ethana2> is the -12 kernel safe?
[04:56] <ethana2> does sound work?
[04:56] <naught101> anyone managed to get icedtea java7 working in Hardy in firefox yet?
[04:57] <Amaranth> ethana2: yes
[04:57] <Amaranth> naught101: icedtea is the _only_ one that works here
[04:58] <naught101> Amaranth: ok, so I have it installed properly through apt, but Firefox3 won't detect that it's installed
[04:58] <Amaranth> naught101: you installed icedtea-java7-plugin?
[04:58] <naught101> it asks for it to be installed, then the ubufox thing kicks in and says it's already installed, then it finished, and still no java
[04:58] <naught101> Amaranth: correct
[04:58] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[04:59] <Amaranth> maybe they 'fixed' it to work with java 6 by making it not work with icedtea anymore
[04:59] <naught101> I have java6 too, but I have the same problem there
[04:59] <Amaranth> i dunno, i only installed it when someone said "java doesn't work" and i found something that actually used it to test
[04:59] <Amaranth> i thought java in the browser died 5 years ago for everyone except IBM mainframe users
[04:59] <Mark_Milliman> ethana2, -12 seems to be safe.  I am running it, but I had problems with the nvidia-glx-new drivers until I completely removed the old -12 kernel from last night and installed the new one
[05:00] <ethana2> no nvidia here
[05:00] <Mark_Milliman> Then you are probably safe
[05:00] <Mark_Milliman> for some reason the new version didn't completely overwrite the old -12 version.
[05:01] <Mark_Milliman> If you downloaded the -12, I recommend removing it first before updating
[05:01] <lastent> hi, what the last image that have been done from hardy?
[05:01] <Mark_Milliman> If you are not running the old -12 you won't have to reboot
[05:01] <XiXaQ> lastent, alpha 6
[05:02] <XiXaQ> lastent, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[05:02] <naught101> or the daily builds
[05:02] <lastent> that daily builds
[05:02] <lastent> naught101, where can I find them>
[05:03] <naught101> lastent: cdimage.ubuntu.com > follow the links
[05:04] <calc> RAOF: it doesn't afaict
[05:05] <naught101> anyone know where firefox3's plugins dir is in hardy?
[05:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> naught101, /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/plugins/
[05:07] <savvas> naught101: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ ?
[05:07] <savvas> damn lag
[05:07] <naught101> savvas: nope, [Hardy]TuTUXG is correct, I think
[05:08] <savvas> well mine are in that dir :P
[05:08] <naught101> savvas: mine are too, but they don't work there...
[05:09] <naught101> they do in the ff-3.0 dir
[05:09] <naught101> they are also in  /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/
[05:09] <naught101> and work there
[05:24] <savvas> i think i broke apt :p
[05:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> naught101, the xulrunner folder works?
[05:25] <savvas> http://pastebin.ca/raw/937790
[05:25] <naught101> [Hardy]TuTUXG: it seems to...
[05:25] <savvas> is this a bug?
[05:25] <naught101> but the flash-alternative plugin doesn't work ANYWHERE
[05:26] <naught101> savvas: no, that looks entirely noremal
[05:26] <naught101> normal, anyway
[05:27] <savvas> naught101: removing ubuntu-desktop and most of gnome packages?
[05:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> naught101, gnash?
[05:27] <naught101> [Hardy]TuTUXG: yeah
[05:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> naught101, they released a new beta
[05:28] <naught101> savvas: well, ubuntu-desktop will uninstall when its deps aren't met, and if it uninstalls, all the things it requires or recommends will be uninstalled, unless required by other packages
[05:28] <naught101> [Hardy]TuTUXG: not in the repos yet?
[05:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> naught101, i dont think so
[05:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> naught101, in 5 days, i doubt
[05:33] <dencrypt> anyone know if ff3b3 will be updated to b5pre soon in repos?
[05:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> dencrypt, by the final, maybe
[05:47] <teethdood> I just upgraded to hardy from gutsy. Now update-manager refuses to run saying it cannot do an upgrade from hardy to gutsy. Nautilus refuses to run because of bonobo. Can anyone help?
[05:53] <naught102> can someone with java7 in firefox go to http://olt.une.edu.au/webct/entryPageIns.dowebct and click the "check browser" button on the right?
[05:54] <naught102> teethdood: run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get --dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:54] <teethdood> naught102: did all those goodies
[05:54] <naught102> I don't use nautilus, but is it broken in the apt database?
[05:55] <naught102> I mean, does it have missing prerequisites?
[05:55] <teethdood> naught102: I have another laptop I upgraded awhile back that runs fine
[05:56] <naught102> could try reinstalling it?
[05:56] <teethdood> yeah looks like it...I wanted to do the upgrade though, oh well
[06:03] <naught102> no, I mean reinstalling nautilus, teethdood
[06:04] <teethdood> oh ok...worth a shot. I'll try messing with bonobo too
[06:25] <mtretin> Hey, like ten minutes ago Ubuntu wanted to upgrade two packages, I think one of them was po-debconf, now the whole freaking apt-get system is broken, I cannot install or remove _any_ packages.... Any ideas?
[06:33] <DanaG> hmm, packagekit description says "refreshing the cash".
[07:01] <ethana2> has anyone gotten ff3b4 in updates yet?
[07:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, b4 is in the repo?
[07:04] <ethana2> i don't know; i'm asking
[07:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not here
[07:05] <ethana2> ...are they going to start compiling ubuntu for i686?
[07:05] <savvas> check www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/firefox-3.0
[07:05] <ethana2> Who expects to run Ubuntu on a Pentium Pro?
[07:05] <savvas> i can't because i'm updating
[07:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, use the generic kernel
[07:05] <mesilliac> ethana2: the generic kernal is the i686 kernel
[07:05] <ethana2> oh, i am
[07:06] <ethana2> but thanks for telling me that
[07:06] <ethana2> what about the userland stuff?
[07:11] <tcpdumpgod> bobby generic
[07:11] <savvas> !compiz
[07:11] <ubotwo> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[07:15] <icesword> is alpha 7 out
[07:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, u mean beta?
[07:17] <icesword> no,alpha 7 version
[07:18] <icesword> i am using alpha 6 now
[07:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, i dont c alpha7 is in the roadmap
[07:18] <ethana2> it goes to beta and then rc
[07:18] <ethana2> i think 6 is the last alpha
[07:18] <icesword> you mean,after 6,beta will be out ,hmmm,ok
[07:23] <naught102> ey [Hardy]TuTUXG: I think the new beta of gnash IS in the repos
[07:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> naught102, it is? cool
[07:23] <naught102> 0.8.2 is anyway
[07:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> able to get it working?
[07:24] <naught102> not very well
[07:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not working well?
[07:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or not working at all
[07:25] <loa> Hello if my clipboard goes down, what i can do?
[07:31] <naught102> not well
[07:34] <hfmls> hi there
[07:35] <loa> Hello, if someone have got broken clipboard after update?
[07:35] <hfmls> boot with black bars all over the screen (i cna see it all) but with a lot black bars
[07:37] <mika__> hello
[07:37] <hfmls> anyone ?
[07:37] <mika__> anyone managed to get netbeans working on hardy alpha 6 ?
[07:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, ido
[07:37] <markt123> I'm updating to Gutsy. There is now signal of progress after 'might be long time downloading ...do you want to continue', there is little more in the logs.
[07:37] <markt123> How can I tell if it's doing anything? In top it shows memory usage. ???????
[07:38] <mika__> TuTux .. how did you do it, care t help me out :)
[07:39] <mika__> TuTux .. I'm on 64 bit version
[07:39] <hfmls> where can i get this theme
[07:39] <hfmls> black theme
[07:39] <hfmls> http://youtube.com/watch?v=o01m7uLaoHg
[07:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, sorry dont have 64bit system
[07:40] <mika__> TuTux .. okay, did it have some java issues on 32 bit as well ?
[07:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, x11-xcb lock? yes
[07:41] <mika__> TuTux .. well basically it does not start at all for me ... core dump
[07:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, able to get java working?
[07:42] <mika__> TuTux .. how do I verify that, I'm just trying out kubuntu
[07:42] <mika__> TuTux ... and KDE4 to be spesific
[07:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, running some java apps?
[07:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, i use gnome..
[07:44] <mika__> TuTux .. Yep, I use gnome normally, have 7.10 on my laptop and all works very well on that
[07:44] <mika__> TuTux, was kinda curious about KDE4
[07:45] <fdsjkalf> i like ubuntu
[07:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, here is the java bug i used to have with hardy: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373
[07:45] <mika__> TuTux ... any java app comes to your mind that I can  test
[07:45] <fdsjkalf> ubuntuis lots of fun to use
[07:45] <mika__> TuTux ... I use netbeans for ror development, not java
[07:45] <fdsjkalf> and you can always blow away your windows buddies with compiz fusion
[07:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, netbeans is written by java
[07:46] <mika__> TuTux .. yep, I know, its very good I must say
[07:47] <mika__> TuTux .. unfortunately I cant get it to work at the moment :(
[07:47] <coz_> no java in hardy yet
[07:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, i prefer to eclipse but that's not the case, read out the page i give u c if there is a workaround for 64 bit
[07:47] <mika__> coz .. umm, I have iced tean installed
[07:48] <coz_> mika__, same here but no go for online stuff for sure  I havent tried anything else as of yet
[07:48] <mika__> TuTux .. isnt eclipse on java as well
[07:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, oh, if icedtea i really have no idea, i use sun-java
[07:48] <coz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG, I have both installed
[07:49] <mika__> TuTux .. well what I did I git netbeans from repository
[07:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, 64bit?
[07:49] <mika__> TuTux ... I have netbeans installer as well, but that crashes
[07:49] <coz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG, no  32
[07:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, that's really not netbeans problem
[07:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, the x11-xcb bug?
[07:49] <coz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG, yep   no way around that yet :0
[07:50] <mika__> TuTux .. I have 64 bit JDK at hand as well
[07:50] <mika__> TuTux ... whats that bug ?
[07:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__, the page i just gave u?
[07:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373
[07:50] <coz_> mika__, no xcb support with sun java yet
[07:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, not really there is a work around works for me
[07:51] <coz_> ??  ooo
[07:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, look up the link and read the comments
[07:53] <coz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG, which link is that again?
[07:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373
[07:53] <coz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG, thanks guy...will check it out
[07:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, np
[07:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, sed -i 's/XINERAMA/FAKEEXTN/g' /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so
[07:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, u need to change the path
[07:56] <coz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG, ok I will read up on that again  thanks  this may help   I will assume sun will also put out a different version ..mm maybe even before the end of the year :)
[08:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, got it work?
[08:03] <coz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG, no havent had time yet still doing support and stuff here   I will get to it
[08:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, k
[08:04] <coz_> [Hardy]TuTUXG, its also after 4Am here  so not real clear headed :)
[08:04] <coz_> prbably should get more sleep
[08:05] <coz_> ok guys I am going to do just that    later:)
[08:05] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> coz_, ya, u probly should
[08:07] <mika__> TuTux .. how did the alternatives work again ?
[08:08] <mika__> TuTux ... update-java-alternatives
[08:08] <mika__> TuTux ... lets say I have JDK from sun and I would like to use that instead iced tea
[08:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__,  sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun (something like that?)
[08:13] <catweazle> !seen Adapter
[08:13] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[08:14] <ionstorm> is there problems with sound in the latest hardy
[08:14] <catweazle> in latest kernel ionstorm
[08:14] <ionstorm> as long as it isnt just me lol
[08:14] <ionstorm> then i know someone else reported the bug
[08:14] <ionstorm> :)
[08:15] <ionstorm> sup catweazle
[08:15] <mika__> tuTUXG .. ok thanks
[08:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> mika__,  sudo update-java-alternatives -l to see ur options
[08:16] <ionstorm> anyone got bootchart working in hardy
[08:16] <ionstorm> im trying to chart my box but it doesnt seem to create charts
[08:24] <vistakiller> hi
[08:24] <macogw> ionstorm: works fine
[08:24] <macogw> ionstorm: they should show in /var/log/bootchart/
[08:25] <macogw> ionstorm: and yes, the audio is broken in the last kernel
[08:26] <ionstorm> macogw, for some reason it does not log for me
[08:26] <macogw> ionstorm: perhaps its not in your init scripts?
[08:26] <vistakiller> have they fix the problem with the kernel?
[08:27] <macogw> vistakiller: dunno. i havent rebooted into it yet
[08:27] <macogw> crap
[08:27] <vistakiller> i reboot yesterday
[08:27] <macogw> its gonna be hard to figure out if i got audio fixed on myth if audio is dead on all
[08:27] <ionstorm> yea... I think I may have screwed up my init scripts, I was using rcconf and disabled some apps, then I reenabled them and they dont start up again
[08:27] <scizzo-> well my nvidia drivers are broken in the new one so
[08:27] <ionstorm> how can I set all my init scripts to default
[08:27] <vistakiller> now the system regognize my sound card
[08:28] <vistakiller> but i can hear nothing :(
[08:28] <ionstorm> either that or... I upgraded from gutsy
[08:28] <ionstorm> maybe some things didnt switch over properly
[08:29] <ionstorm> macogw, btw does bootchart always run? or only on boot?
[08:30] <ionstorm> and did it modify /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:30] <ionstorm> root@ubuntu:/var/log/bootchart# ls -al
[08:30] <ionstorm> total 8
[08:30] <ionstorm> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2007-03-28 08:41 .
[08:30] <ionstorm> drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 2008-03-10 22:43 ..
[08:35] <ionstorm> im going to try sudo update-initramfs -c -k `uname -r`
[08:35] <ionstorm> that may fix it
[08:50] <hfmls> hi
[08:50] <hfmls> where can i get latest intel onboard
[08:50] <hfmls> drivers
[08:51] <savvas> i believe they're included
[08:51] <TheInfinity> from intel website. or includet in kernel.
[08:52] <savvas> xserver-xorg-video-i810 - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
[08:52] <savvas> xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
[08:52] <savvas> 915resolution - resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset
[08:54] <hfmls> they are i think
[08:55] <hfmls> but animations are slower tha 7.10
[08:55] <hfmls> Mobile Intel 965GM
[08:55] <savvas> try this: glxinfo | grep direct
[08:56] <vistakiller> they have fix it the problem with the sound :)
[08:57] <hfmls> same
[08:57] <savvas> hfmls: i'd like the output of that command
[08:58] <savvas> paste it in gnome terminal
[08:58] <hfmls> glxinfo | grep direct
[08:58] <hfmls> direct rendering: Yes
[09:00] <savvas> hfmls: now this one: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i driver
[09:00] <hfmls> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[09:00] <hfmls> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[09:00] <hfmls> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[09:00] <hfmls> ||/ Nome           Versão        Descrição
[09:00] <hfmls> +++-[09:00] <hfmls> ii  xserver-xorg-v 2:2.2.1-1ubunt X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display d
[09:00] <hfmls> it says this when i write this
[09:00] <hfmls> - dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:01] <savvas> apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:01] <savvas> the newest candidate is: 2.2.1-1ubuntu3
[09:01] <hfmls> yes
[09:02] <hfmls> but it seems slower than 7.10
[09:02] <hfmls> a lot
[09:02] <savvas> file a bug :)
[09:02] <savvas> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[09:02] <hfmls> in ubuntu chan  they are saying that it's now the latest version
[09:02] <hfmls> :S
[09:05] <lordleemo> hfmls: slytherien told u thats its not the latest version. if posting in 2 seperate rooms please read your replies properly
[09:06] <hfmls> lordleemo,  my bad
[09:06] <hfmls> i wanted to write not
[09:06] <hfmls> and not now.
[09:07] <hfmls> what is happening here is , what happens in windows when u're usind windows default driver.
[09:07] <hfmls> when u scroll stuff it jumps around. and no smooth.
[09:07] <hfmls> not*
[09:19] <alex_> Hey all.  I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help troubleshoot a wireless connection problem.  I have been using Heron for a bit with no problems.  After some updates a few days ago, wireless stopped working.  I have not yet identified the problem, but I've got a number of good leads from log files.
[09:21] <alex_> When I try to use the network manager applet, it will no longer list the available networks.  When trying to manually configure the network, it doesn't show the wireless adapter as present.
[09:21] <teamcobra> alex, type dmesg in a terminal
[09:22] <teamcobra> and let me know if anything regarding errors w/ the wireless driver pop up
[09:22] <alex_> dmesg returns the following relavant output:
[09:22] <alex_> ath_pci_ Unknown symbol _ath_hal_attach
[09:23] <alex_> and the same message for the unknown symbols ath_hal_process_noisefloor, ath_hal_computextime, ath_hal_mhz2ieee, ath_hal_detach, ath_hal_prove, ath_hal_init_channels, and ath_hal_getwirelessmodes
[09:24] <teamcobra> hmm... so it's an atheros, the atheros next to me works fine :/ :/ are you running the latest kernel?
[09:25] <teamcobra> (just noticed an update popped up today, I'm updating now (broadcom on this box.... the atheros on the laptop has worked since at least alpha5, but that's when I started using hardy) )
[09:25] <alex_> Looking at cat daemon.log | grep NetworkManager, there is a lot of output.  It looks like it sees the adapter just fine, as well as the network it's supposed to connect to, and it tries to connect.  The connection times out and it will sometimes ask for a new key.  After this fails a few times, it will disable the adapter.
[09:26] <teamcobra> the atheros driver is enabled in the restricted driver manager, right?
[09:26] <alex_> Yes, I updated the kernel from the repos a couple hours ago.  Unless there's a REALLY new one, I should be up to date.
[09:26] <alex_> I'll check, but I'm pretty sure, and it was working until very recently.
[09:26] <teamcobra> yeah, I figured it would be, but it's worth a look ;p
[09:27] <alex_> Interesting.  Upon looking at the restricted drivers manager, it is enabled, but is said to be "not in use"
[09:27] <alex_> would it be worth modprobing?
[09:27] <teamcobra> I suppose ;)
[09:27] <gordonjcp> why's the atheros driver a restricted driver?
[09:28] <TheInfinity> because they copied a module from original drivers
[09:28] <TheInfinity> this will change soon, then it will be called ath5k
[09:28] <gordonjcp> hm, what licence were the original drivers under?
[09:28] <gordonjcp> I know that netbsd supports atheros without any "funny business"
[09:28] <TheInfinity> they used atheros' HAL
[09:29] <teamcobra> the new b43 drivers for the bcm4311 rev02 are beautiful, btw ;)
[09:29] <TheInfinity> and they will change to OpenHAL
[09:29] <gordonjcp> TheInfinity: ralink ftw
[09:29] <alex_> so, upon trying to load it manually, it fails.  Looking at dmesg, it gives all the same unknown symbol output that was there before.
[09:29] <TheInfinity> gordonjcp: not really, after all the probs with it ;)
[09:29] <TheInfinity> i would say intel ftw ;)
[09:29]  * gordonjcp doesn't use any Intel parts
[09:30] <ethana2> gordon: AMD, IBM, or Sun?
[09:30] <gordonjcp> too many problems with Intel
[09:30] <teamcobra> alex, 1 sec
[09:30]  * TheInfinity uses 802.11n atheros chipset ... and i dont have xorg in gutsy :(
[09:31] <adam_> I would like to update my Gutsy to Hardy alpha release, how do i do that?
[09:31] <vistakiller> press alt+f2 and then type update-manager -d
[09:32] <gordonjcp> ethana2: AMD and VIA in PCs, Atmel and ARM for projects
[09:32] <gordonjcp> ethana2: Intel wouldn't sample me parts, Atmel had a guy phone me up to discuss what I needed for half an hour and then sent me about 100 quid's worth of flash parts for free
[09:33] <ethana2> whoa
[09:33] <TheInfinity> adam_: i would not recomment hardy for you
[09:33] <TheInfinity> hardy is REALLY alpha.
[09:33] <vistakiller> yes
[09:33] <ethana2> adam_: despite what people like me tell you
[09:33] <teamcobra> alex: hrmmm...... running 64bit? what model card?
[09:34] <adam_> I thought it's scheduled for release next month :S
[09:34] <ethana2> adam_: yes, but....  lots of changes were made
[09:34] <macogw> adam_: it is...its still alpha though
[09:34] <macogw> lots of changes in the last like...3 days
[09:34] <ethana2> adam_: i'm using it for drivers
[09:34] <ethana2> adam_: sound broke and stuff
[09:35] <alex_> 32 bit.  lspci | grep Atheros: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[09:35] <adam_> yeah I need drivers too here. So is hardy more alpha than the previous versions of ubuntu were a few months before release? (I've tested those in their time too)
[09:35] <macogw> this is my 3rd time riding ubuntu unstable and i still get a little antsy when there's a kernel upgrade
[09:36] <macogw> if you're used to alpha and can take care of yourself in a command-line-only system...go ahead
[09:36] <adam_> macogw, I can manage, but I am by no means a CLI wizard
[09:37] <alex_> teamcobra: in googling around, I'm mostly finding stuff from people who compiled their own madwifi.  I also get errors in a number of places about dbus, but I haven't found anything useful yet.
[09:38] <macogw> i use it on my main (ok...only) machine, so i made sure i could do just about everything i do from the command line before i started doing this
[09:38] <teamcobra> yeah, it is looking like compiling a new madwifi might be the best route
[09:38] <akshay> Hi, I am not able to install hardy on my laptop
[09:38] <teamcobra> it's weird that it was working and then broke, does it work when you boot into the older kernel
[09:38] <akshay> Presario C700
[09:39] <macogw> akshay: whats wrong
[09:39] <akshay> the disk drives are not getting detected
[09:39] <macogw> O_o thats a problem....
[09:39] <macogw> optical or hard drives?
[09:39] <alex_> teamcobra: nope.  Let me try the oldest one I've got again though, just to make sure I don't lie to you.  Pretty sure I tried them all with no success.
[09:39] <akshay> no. the IDE and the sata ones
[09:39] <macogw> ...uh...optical or hard drives?
[09:39] <akshay> Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEm
[09:39] <macogw> they can both be either IDE or SATA
[09:39] <akshay> hard drives
[09:40] <teamcobra> k, I'll see you on the other side, I believe I'm in for a reboot myself ;)
[09:40] <macogw> huh....thats bug-report worthy
[09:40] <alex_> I'm on another system right now, so I won't be going anywhere.
[09:40] <catweazle> teamcobra: you can test the compat-wireless stuff http://linuxwireless.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6
[09:40] <akshay> can't tell from lspci output
[09:40] <macogw> umm can you try from an alpha 5 disk? you'll just have more updates to install
[09:41] <catweazle> the readme tells you all you know
[09:41] <akshay> @macogw I am netbooting it from my desktop
[09:41] <teamcobra> cat: ok
[09:41] <macogw> ooo
[09:41] <akshay> using the latest files which I could find
[09:42] <macogw> ok i have no idea how to troubleshoot that
[09:42] <teamcobra> actually, that might be right up alex_'s alley ;)
[09:42] <macogw> report a bug for it and then maybe you can install a slightly older version like alpha 5 or even just install gutsy and dist upgrae
[09:42] <akshay> ok
[09:43] <teamcobra> brb, rebooting
[09:44] <akshay> Actually, i had the same problem with my desktop also, but by passing pci=irqpoll and making the IDE drives act as RAID , I had been able t install hardy on  my desktop
[09:44] <akshay> which I had also netbooted
[09:47] <vistakiller> some problems with kde-kubuntu hardy heron. Is the second day from the gutsy upgrade
[09:48] <vistakiller> the pager still didnt work correct when you run compiz-fusion. I have this problem and to gutsy.
[09:49] <vistakiller> i have check the option to remember the session and the programmes i have left open but this is not working. I have to open them manual.
[09:50] <teamcobra> back
[09:50] <vistakiller> and finally desktop search tool, hardware driver manager is not working
[09:50] <alex_> teamcobra: I found someone with a similar looking problem.  They claim that disabling acpi at boot clears up the issue.  I'm trying this now.
[09:51] <teamcobra> try irqpoll as well
[09:51] <teamcobra> or instead of straight-out disabling acpi
[09:51] <teamcobra> you'd probably be better off using noapic instead (similar issues on this laptop and gutsy, w/ irqs, I believe)
[09:52] <akshay> Ok, trying
[09:53] <alex_> Yeah, so, killing acpi killed usb.
[09:53] <alex_> I'll give noapic a shot.
[09:54] <teamcobra> irqpoll by itself might do the trick, if not try noapic irqpoll
[09:55] <teamcobra> any ideas on how to fix something like this: scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/usr/lib/hsfmodem/modules/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS.  Stop.   ?
[09:56] <alex_> is there a CFLAGS option set in the makefile mentioned?
[09:56] <teamcobra> there's a ton of them :/
[09:57] <alex_> What is in the Makefile.build?  Is there any information about what the previous CFLAGS value was, before it apparently changed?
[09:58] <teamcobra> there isn't a Makefile.build :p no big deal, it's the horrid linuxant modem driver
[09:58] <teamcobra> probably breaks in other ways too ;p
[10:00] <alex_> no luck with irqpoll or noapic, or any combination thereof.
[10:01] <Wartorn> I started running Hardy a week ago, and the update i ran today "broke" my X3100 intel graphics chip. Compiz now runs terribly slow, opengl has tons of artifacts etc. Anyone have a clue?
[10:01] <Wartorn> Before today, it ran just fine (except games and graphic heavy stuff ran terribly slow)
[10:02] <alex_> I'm trying another cold boot just to see if anything is different again.
[10:03] <alex_> I don't know that much about its function, but do you think there's any chance it's dbus related?  I see dbus errors in several places, but anywhere I can find references to them in forums, it seems like they're generally deemed fairly benign.
[10:04] <teamcobra> it doesn't seem that way, but I think network manager does heavily use dbus
[10:04] <teamcobra> so...... I could be horribly wrong ;p
[10:05] <vega--> hardys "scim" or whatever that popped up a week ago or so has serious problems
[10:05] <vega--> my keyboard layout changes to some "amharic" many times per hour randomly
[10:05] <teamcobra> brb, rebooting again
[10:06] <alex_> Vegar: lol.  That's a really annoying problem to have, but it's kind of funny.  Too bad you don't want to be typing in amharic!
[10:06] <vistakiller> vega i think is time to learn a foreign language :D
[10:06] <alex_> lol
[10:07] <vega--> exactly this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=716952
[10:07] <vistakiller> the problem with konqueror and flash still exist
[10:07] <vega--> what #%¤#¤ decided to include this kind of crap...
[10:09] <alex_> vega, while it does suck right now, I'm really hoping it will serve as a better replacement for the old gnome keyboard indicator and layout switcher.
[10:09] <alex_> It's buggy and annoying right now, but my hope is that it will eventually actually work.
[10:09] <alex_> I don't, however, like that it's thrown up there by default, without the user really having a say in it.
[10:09] <alex_> Hopefully that's something that'll get worked out.
[10:10] <vega--> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/199158
[10:10] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 199158 in scim "scim appeared and cannot be deactivated (dup-of: 199030)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:10] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 199030 in scim "Can't close SCIM" [High,Fix released]
[10:11] <vega--> hmm, i'm up to date and i still have it
[10:11] <vega--> the problem
[10:11] <vega--> really clever to put a shortcut key to shift-space!
[10:12] <alex_> well really, how often do you need a capital space? :)
[10:12] <vega--> "That particular hotkey combination is annoying because obviously at the start of most sentences you type a space before pressing shift for the capital letter."
[10:13] <vega--> that sums it up pretty clearly
[10:13] <vega--> i seem to manage to accidentally get that behaviour many times an hour
[10:14] <alex_> I do like the keyboard indicator option of using both alts, shifts, or ctrls together.
[10:14] <alex_> Only very rarely do I ever accidentally hit both alts together.
[10:15] <vega--> anyway, how often does one need to change the keyboard layout?
[10:16] <teamcobra> so... is gnome 2.22 official then?
[10:16] <alex_> I actually use the feature a fair bit.
[10:17] <teamcobra> I guess it is ;)
[10:17] <alex_> I use dvorak, but for some apps where the key mappings are geographical on the keyboard, vs logical by letter, it's more convenient to switch it back to qwerty when necessary.
[10:18] <vega--> still seems kind of minor thing that should NOT be enabled by default, AT least not the shortcuts
[10:18] <alex_> I agree.
[10:19] <RAOF> Yes, and it's in the process of being dealt with.
[10:19] <vega--> ok, now it's ok when i disabled ALL shortcuts in the thing
[10:19] <RAOF> Also, SCIM isn't actually a keyboard map changer, it's an input process thingy. :)
[10:20] <vega--> hmm, maybe even better exit whole thing from eating memory
[10:20] <ionstorm> whats the point of SCIM
[10:20] <RAOF> ionstorm: The ability to enter non-latin characters easily.
[10:20] <ionstorm> it annoyed me, I had to apt-get remove
[10:20] <ionstorm> o
[10:21] <RAOF> Well, that works :)
[10:21] <ionstorm> well why would that startup automatically, it seems more of a addon feature than a requirement
[10:21] <RAOF> Because it got accidentally enabled for everything.
[10:22] <ionstorm> hrm, my update manager gives me errors installing; gnome.pm or something
[10:22] <RAOF> Also, because sometimes people want to be able to enter japanese with an english keyboard (and you obviously can't have a full Japanese keyboard).
[10:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> should a solid states hd act as a normal hd with ubuntu?
[10:41] <akshay> Hi,
[10:41] <akshay> I want to report a bug
[10:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what bug?
[10:42] <akshay> I tried to install hardy on my Presario C700
[10:42] <akshay> by netboot
[10:42] <savvas> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[10:42] <akshay> the hardy did not detect my disk drives.
[10:42] <akshay> So, I netbooted it for feisty install
[10:43] <akshay> which has detected the drives and installed
[10:43] <savvas> and gutsy ?
[10:43] <akshay> didn't try.
[10:44] <alex_> well all, I'm headed to bed for a few hours.
[10:44] <alex_> cobra, thanks for the help.
[10:44] <alex_> I'll have to put it off for another time.
[10:44] <KrimZon> what's the sound problem people have had with the -12 kernel?
[10:44] <alex_> Hopefully a few more updates and it'll start working again.
[10:44] <alex_> bye all
[10:45] <savvas> akshay: try report it and give them the sata/ata model/brand of the disk drives you have and a log of this output: lspci -nnv
[10:46] <savvas> KrimZon: that was resolved in -12.12
[10:47] <KrimZon> so if i update now i'll be ok?
[10:48] <KrimZon> or at least stand a good chance
[10:49] <savvas> hm.. the gnome updates are broken
[10:49] <akshay> @savvas: Ok
[10:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> KrimZon, u should be ok, but somebody said that that have to remove the old -12 kernel and install the new one to get the sound works
[10:49] <KrimZon> i havent installed any -12 kernel yet
[10:50] <savvas> heh, i'm not falling for the same thing again
[10:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> KrimZon, on then u dont need to worry about the remove part
[10:50] <savvas> sorry, just bubbling around :P
[10:50] <savvas> The following packages will be REMOVED: deskbar-applet gnochm gnome-games gnome-media libdeskbar-tracker libgnome-media0 music-applet python-gnome2-desktop python-gnome2-extras rhythmbox sound-juicer ubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <KrimZon> i held off because i was doing audio stuff at the time
[10:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, that's awesome
[10:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, try with the gui?
[10:51] <savvas> ah-hah! found the culprit
[10:51] <savvas> gnome-media-common
[10:51] <savvas> hm.. it favours partial upgrade
[10:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> synaptics?
[10:52] <savvas> no the update manager
[10:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> try synaptics
[10:52] <savvas> same :)
[10:52] <savvas> to be removed bla bla bla ubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <rocky> heh yeah, upgrading gnome-media-common this morning wants to remove a ton of gnome packages inculding ubuntu-desktop
[10:52] <vega--> ahh, scim is now purged, joy
[10:53]  * [Hardy]TuTUXG is afraid to update his hardy now ...
[10:53] <savvas> rocky: yep, that's why i spent 2-3 hours reinstalling the root partition :P
[10:53] <savvas> rocky: is this a known bug?
[10:54] <rocky> no idea, i just saw it
[10:54] <anon11_11> when is +1 rc released?
[10:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Bug 199141
[10:55] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 199141 in pam-umask "seems to be broken, requires to remove almost all installed packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199141
[10:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not confirmed yet
[10:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> anon11_11, if the beta is alright i dont think we gonna c any rc release before the final
[10:56] <anon11_11> [Hardy]TuTUXG, k thx
[10:56] <juice_> Hi
[10:58] <vistakiller> hi
[10:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> hi
[10:58] <anon11_11> hi
[10:58] <vistakiller> is there a plan to fix the little problems in kubuntu?
[10:59] <vistakiller> or all the developer is working again in ubuntu?
[10:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no idea
[11:00] <savvas> Bug #200942
[11:00] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 200942 in gnome-media "gnome-media-common wants to remove important packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200942
[11:00] <savvas> and i hope it's not a duplicate
[11:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, how did u find that?
[11:00] <savvas> I just posted it :\
[11:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> oh
[11:02] <humbolto>  I have two keyrings in gutsy/hardy: default and login. which one is the deprecated leftover from feisty and how can I merge the two?
[11:04] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> cd
[11:06] <savvas> humbolto: maybe by exporting and importing them to the other account?
[11:10] <teamcobra> hrm, I'm remastering a hardy livecd, and a few programs didn't apt-get upgrade properly (probably due to the chroot and not being updated while in the gui).... I can recreate the exact error in a moment, anyone have any ideas
[11:11] <savvas> sudo apt-get install -f ?
[11:11] <teamcobra> that'd work once booted into the livecd, but not in the chroot
[11:11] <teamcobra> 1 moment ;)
[11:12] <savvas> brb
[11:12] <teamcobra> k, brb myself, rebooting again
[11:22] <qzio> hm, im using firefox 3.0b3 and the flashplugin-nonfree, but i cant watch youtube videos or other flash-films, ie youtube plays the move for about 2-5 sec. and then it hangs.. is this a known problem?
[11:27] <anon11_11> qzio, well it is beta after all
[11:30] <qzio> anon11_11: yeah, but i used to be able to view youtube flicks... i'll try firefox2..
[11:30] <nandemonai> qzio, reinstall the flashplugin-nonfree
[11:30] <nandemonai> qzio, Worked for me. I had the same problem.
[11:31] <vistakiller> konqueror have problem with flash?
[11:32] <qzio> nandemonai: ok, i'll try that thanks
[11:32] <anon11_11> qzio, do you have beta and stable on the same box both installed? how do you run them without conflictions or corruptions to ~/.mozilla ?
[11:33] <qzio> anon11_11: dont know actually, i've downloaded the firefox2-package and runs the binary without any other firefoxes running...
[11:34] <anon11_11> qzio, where did you install the beta?
[11:35] <anon11_11> qzio, 3 beta 4 is out btw, you may want to try that
[11:35] <naught102> anyone know what happens when the gnash plugin AND the nonfree flash plugin are installed?
[11:35] <qzio> anon11_11: i just unpacked it..
[11:35] <qzio> anon11_11: i'll stick with the package from the repo..
[11:35] <anon11_11> qzio, ok, how do you have 3b4 installed?
[11:35] <anon11_11> qzio, ok
[11:39] <qzio> nandemonai: i did aptitude reinstall, restarted firefox, same problem.. this is not really important... ill fix it later, at work now...
[11:40] <nandemonai> qzio, Ah ok. odd. I just did a apt-get remove && apt-get install but same thing pretty much.
[11:40] <qzio> nandemonai: hmm ko.. yeah, well i'll look into that later :)
[11:41] <nandemonai> Best of luck.
[11:57] <NineTeen67Comet> Haya I've got Apha6 running (very well until....) I did a little aptitude dist-upgrade (full-upgrade too) and lost X (assuming the new kernel doesn't like the nvidia package) so I rebooted into the "older" kernel and the sound isn't working (assume there was an update to the sound applications -still alsa?-) .. any new info on what needs to be done to keep nvidia happy and fire up the shound? (I'm not really a noob, just playing 
[11:57] <teamcobra> back
[11:58] <rsk> NineTeen67Comet: alsa broke in the last upgrade and is fixed in the newest
[12:00] <NineTeen67Comet> ahan'k .. I'll update tomorrow or when ever the update goes public'ish. Do I need to re-install nvidia-glx-new when ever the kernel is updated? (like when I do it manually in other *nix'es)
[12:00] <Pici> NineTeen67Comet: if you are using the packaged nvidia driver (the one in the repos) then you dont need to do anything
[12:01] <Kano> hi, it seems somebody broke the syslinux menu
[12:01] <Kano> for the snapshot
[12:01] <NineTeen67Comet> Pici: Yeah, I just use the repos, things got messy last time I tried to add stuff from outside the package/repository.
[12:01] <Kano> at least the kernel has sound,but can only booted via network..
[12:03] <teamcobra> wb savvas
[12:03] <savvas> ty
[12:04] <virtuelv> Does anyone know what's up with font rendering these days?
[12:04] <teamcobra> not I :p
[12:05] <virtuelv> font sizes seem to have changed, and they appear blurred
[12:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> virtuelv, disable font hinting works for me
[12:06] <virtuelv> [Hardy]TuTUXG: that looks much much worse
[12:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> virtuelv, that looks much better here ;P
[12:07] <virtuelv> I've always been running with full hinting, but a few weeks ago, font rendering definitely changed
[12:07] <virtuelv> and it also changed for non-GTK apps in a bad, bad, bad way
[12:11] <teamcobra> if anyone could help me resolve an apt-get configuration error (remastering alpha6 in chroot) , the error paste is here: http://pastebin.com/m3a1f326a
[12:12] <teamcobra> I'm sure that an 'apt-get install -f' would fix it once the user is booted into the gui from the livecd, but I'd like to fix the issue beforehand ;)
[12:14] <KrimZon> i get no sound with the -12 kernel
[12:15] <Pici> KrimZon: update please.
[12:15] <KrimZon> i just did
[12:18] <savvas> virtuelv: you can change font appearance in system -> preferences -> appearance -> fonts
[12:22] <virtuelv> savvas: I am very aware of that
[12:23] <virtuelv> my point is that the appearance of fonts changed significantly with some freetype update
[12:23] <teamcobra> nevermind, just fixed the apt-get problem
[12:53] <Lynoure> What new is there for Kubuntu in Hardy? https://wiki.kubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha6 is disappointingly copy-paste from the Ubuntu page.
[13:00] <simosx> anyone has issues with SCIM?
[13:01] <vistakiller> Lynoure i have kubuntu hardy
[13:01] <vistakiller> the new things is kde 3.5.9
[13:01] <Dr_willis> ive seen several people asking about scim this last few days.
[13:02] <vistakiller> and desktop search(is not working),driver manager (is not working) :P
[13:02] <Pici> Yes, the scim shortcuts need to be revised.
[13:02] <seezer> really. it's too annoying..
[13:02] <Lynoure> vistakiller: desktop search was (not working) in gutsy already :/
[13:02] <vistakiller> it is a new tool
[13:03] <Lynoure> vistakiller: yey for new tools, same results :) Does it also not work by hogging cpu?
[13:03] <naught102> Lynoure: not much
[13:03] <vistakiller> but is not working.It has a icon to begin sevice but when i click is not working
[13:04] <vistakiller> the good thing in kubuntu is dolphin is very fast now
[13:04] <vistakiller> and adept
[13:04] <Dr_willis> a frozen snail crawling up hill in a blizzard was faster then the old adept. :)
[13:05] <Lynoure> Still no compiz for kubuntu?
[13:05] <Dr_willis> You can install compiz for kde if you want.
[13:05] <naught102> dolphin is crap. the only thing it has better than konqueror is the clickable address bar
[13:05] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: I know, I know, unlike on Ubuntu where it comes with the installation
[13:05] <naught102> everything else is painful
[13:05] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  proberly not going to  be included by default any time soon.
[13:05] <vistakiller> naught102 i think is faster than konqueror now
[13:06] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: so still being able to install it by hand does not count as an improvement. :/
[13:06] <vistakiller> konqueror still have the problem with flash
[13:06] <naught102> vistakiller: I don't find konqueror to be too slow...
[13:06] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  i dont consider compiz being included on ubuntu an improvement. :)
[13:06] <naught102> I don't use konq for web browsing though
[13:06] <vistakiller> is not slow but dolphin is better now
[13:06] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: I just wish there was something new and fancy, currently the Kubuntu Hardy alpha6 page is just sad.
[13:07] <Dr_willis> Id rather have stable and reliable.. then fancy. :)
[13:07] <vistakiller> i think we must go to kde 4 this is the future for kubuntu
[13:07] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: well, that page basicly says Kubuntu Hardy is gnome =)
[13:07] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: it's not LTS version either...
[13:08] <naught102> Lynoure: fancy is what kills linux
[13:08] <Dr_willis> Im not worried about LTS either...
[13:08] <judgen> Just a wuestion why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not show the driver selection screen?
[13:08] <Dr_willis> I always install the ubuntu and kubuntu desktoops  on my machine. so It dosent matter to me much at all - which i install. :)
[13:09] <vistakiller> judgen +1
[13:09] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: I just meant that it's not the version that can toot it's horn with the LTS aspect either.
[13:09] <judgen> vistakiller, so how do i configure the scren then?
[13:09] <judgen> vistakiller, should i just use nano then?
[13:10] <Dr_willis> Lynoure,  I alwyas figured the LTS thing was to impress the   Business-suits. :)
[13:10] <vistakiller> i dont know why is very starnge
[13:10] <vistakiller> and the xorg,conf is very strange now
[13:10] <Lynoure> Dr_willis: I work with Business-suits... that's why it is a bit relevant to me.
[13:10] <Dr_willis> the xorg.conf has been getting more and more minimal it seems. :)
[13:11] <judgen> is there a working xcfon i could wget from anywhere. because writing a xorg.conf takes ages in nano
[13:11] <Dr_willis> i wonder when its going to vanish competely.
[13:11] <judgen> xorg.conf i ment
[13:11] <Dr_willis> judgen,  ive cheated and used ones from working live  cd's befor.
[13:11] <vistakiller> judgen what are you try to do?
[13:11] <vistakiller> install drivers?
[13:11] <judgen> vistakiller, nah i have the drivers. i just want to configure xorg
[13:12] <vistakiller> i have the same problem with nvidia driver and at least i use envyng :P
[13:14] <Tipolosko> hi :)
[13:15] <vistakiller> hi
[13:16] <judgen> anyone got a working nvidia xorg.conf that they wanna share?
[13:16]  * Leerok is upgrading a few computers to Hardy.
[13:17] <vistakiller> i have
[13:17] <Leerok> How is it working?
[13:17] <Leerok> Very well?
[13:17] <vistakiller> is alpha and not very stable
[13:17] <Leerok> Does it crash or something?
[13:17] <savvas> Leerok: oh yeah
[13:17] <Leerok> Hmm!
[13:18] <Leerok> Now, how does one revert to Gutsy if one is dissatisfied with Hardy?
[13:18] <vistakiller> judgen take a look here http://pastebin.com/m1dc57b8e
[13:18] <savvas> the easy solution would be: make a separate partition for /home, and format the root / partition :)
[13:19] <Leerok> Could one do this through apt?
[13:19] <Pici> Leerok: Take one serving Gutsy CD, backup needed documents, format drive, install Gutsy
[13:19] <Leerok> apt-get dist-downgrade or something?
[13:19] <Pici> !downgrade
[13:19] <ubotwo> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[13:19] <vistakiller> no Leerok stay now with hardy
[13:19] <savvas> Leerok: the easy solution would be: make a separate partition for /home, and format the root / partition :)
[13:19] <vistakiller> you cant do anything
[13:19] <Leerok> Ah well.
[13:20] <vistakiller> One tip is not to update very often
[13:20] <Leerok> The computers were only in the download stages anyway.
[13:20] <vistakiller> i think you can cancel the download but i am not sure
[13:21] <Leerok> One certainly can.
[13:21] <Leerok> I just did.
[13:21] <savvas> Leerok: it's much faster than gutsy though :) and thinking it's alpha, I personally don't mind a few crashes
[13:21] <Leerok> Faster, eh?
[13:22] <Leerok> How often does it crash?
[13:22] <savvas> the more crashes you report.. the better hardy will be compatible with your computers
[13:22] <savvas> well it depends, i.e. i had a crash every time i emptied the trash
[13:22] <Leerok> Any problems with applications such as Firefox and Abiword?
[13:22] <savvas> or a random crash running screem
[13:23] <savvas> firefox is 3 beta 3 but you can use firefox-2 as well
[13:23] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:24] <savvas> I'd suggest a live cd :)
[13:24] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:24] <Leerok> The only problem with a live CD is that there isn't a Hardy live CD yet.
[13:24] <savvas> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[13:24] <Leerok> Oh well, I think I'll upgrade the two computers.
[13:24] <Leerok> I just want to see how they work.
[13:25] <savvas> 32-bit or 64-bit Leerok ?
[13:25] <Leerok> 32-bit.
[13:25] <Leerok> Ancient computers.
[13:25] <simosx> I want to translate the very first messages when the liveCD starts. What's the package name for that?
[13:26] <savvas> Leerok: http://uk.cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[13:26] <savvas> or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[13:26] <savvas> :P
[13:26] <Leerok> Hmm!
[13:28] <Leerok> It would be useful, except for the fact that the computers in question only have 256 megabytes of RAM.
[13:29] <judgen> vistakiller, now it works
[13:30] <vistakiller> you paste xog.conf?
[13:30] <savvas> it should work with 192mb Leerok
[13:30] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:31] <judgen> vistakiller, do you know amy 3d app that dont require x?
[13:31] <judgen> i just wanna test if everything works
[13:31] <Leerok> 3D applications that don't use X?
[13:31] <frank_> savvas: Leerok: LiveCd requires 384 MB of RAM I think
[13:31] <Leerok> Doom?
[13:32] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:32] <Leerok> I'll burn one for myself and test it on my personal computer.
[13:33] <steph_> Can someone tell me I don' t have anymore NVIDIA proprietary drivers since the last update ? (8.04)
[13:33] <Leerok> You're trying to find out?
[13:34] <Leerok> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nv
[13:34] <savvas> ah true frank_, 192 is the recommended minimum for xubuntu :)
[13:34] <judgen> it works fine now
[13:34] <judgen> vistakiller, gracias
[13:34] <Leerok> What is Xubuntu like?
[13:35] <Pici> Its xfce
[13:35] <frank_> savvas: I see
[13:35] <vistakiller> its fast
[13:35] <Leerok> Ah, the bare-bones one.
[13:35] <steph_> There is no more the option in the hardware driver applet
[13:35] <Leerok> Applet?
[13:35] <Leerok> Best way is to use the console.
[13:35] <steph_> software launcher, sorry
[13:36] <steph_> in the menu
[13:36] <savvas> Leerok: yeah, it should be perfect for old machines
[13:36] <Leerok> Hmm!
[13:36] <savvas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[13:36] <Leerok> Perhaps I'll change one over and see if people like it better.
[13:36] <Leerok> Good thing about a public computer is that people have relatively few needs.
[13:37] <savvas> http://www.xubuntu.org/tour
[13:37] <Leerok> A web browser and Abiword, and they're happy.
[13:37] <savvas> i can test if abiword runs smoothly if you'd like that
[13:38] <Leerok> Aye, please.
[13:38] <Leerok> Does Xubuntu also automatically mount USB devices?
[13:38] <savvas> no idea, never tested it with a usb device :)
[13:39] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:39] <vistakiller> yes Leerok it does
[13:39] <Leerok> With a file browser GUI thing?
[13:39]  * savvas expects another hmm :P
[13:40] <Leerok> Have I been overusing my "hmm"s?
[13:40] <savvas> abiword looks ok to me
[13:40] <Leerok> Guten.
[13:40] <Leerok> My typing mirrors my speech patterns.
[13:43] <vistakiller> yes it has
[13:43] <vistakiller> i dont remember the name of file broswer but is very light
[13:44] <kalatian> Thunar?
[13:44] <kalatian> (and yes, XFCE can automount USB devices AFAIK)
[13:45] <Leerok> All good.
[13:45] <Leerok> It'll keep the users happy.
[13:45] <kalatian> at least, it does on Arch, I assume it does in Xubuntu too
[13:45] <Leerok> What is Arch?
[13:45] <kalatian> another Linux distro
[13:46] <Leerok> Ah.
[13:48] <IdleOne> any major issues with alpha 6?
[13:48] <savvas> Leerok: http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abiwordrx7.png :)
[13:49] <savvas> IdleOne: you mean problems or what's new?
[13:49] <IdleOne> savvas, I meant problems
[13:49] <IdleOne> savvas, hoping to find out if support for the sis191 gigabit ethernet controler has gotten better
[13:50] <savvas> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha6
[13:50] <savvas> scroll down to caveats
[13:50] <IdleOne> ty will read
[13:50] <Leerok> Hmm, pretty.
[13:50] <allquixotic> hmm. why are there 209 updates today? was a Beta pushed?
[13:51] <savvas> allquixotic: probably gnome 2.22
[13:51] <allquixotic> ah. awesome
[13:51] <Pici> There were quite a few rebuilds due to python-central it looked like
[13:51] <allquixotic> kernel push too
[13:51] <allquixotic> .24-12
[13:52] <savvas> allquixotic: just make sure it's -12.12 not -12.11
[13:52] <Pici> I have apt-listchanges installed, which is very useful when testing Alphas
[13:52] <allquixotic> 2.6.24-11 was really broken for me, I've been using 2.6.24-10
[13:53] <allquixotic> wonder if they fixed it in 2.6.24-12. might also notice some improvements in the xorg-xserver-intel bump
[13:53] <savvas> allquixotic: apt-cache policy linux-generic | grep Candidate
[13:53] <savvas> make sure it's 2.6.24.12.12
[13:53] <allquixotic> ah
[13:54] <allquixotic> there is a 2.6.24.12.11? I wasn't aware the versioning went that far down
[13:54] <savvas> yup, that one had sound problems :)
[13:54] <allquixotic> Candidate: 2.6.24.12.12
[13:55] <Leerok> Which is better? apt-cacher or apt-proxy?
[13:55] <savvas>  Apt-cacher can be used as a replacement for apt-proxy, with no need to modify
[13:55] <savvas>  client's /etc/apt/sources.list files (and even reusing its config and cached
[13:55] <savvas>  data), or as an alternative to approx.
[13:56] <simosx> is there a channel for ubuntu and localisation/translation?
[13:56] <allquixotic> i use apt-cache search a LOT
[13:57] <allquixotic> i set up a 3 character alias for it in my shell
[13:57] <allquixotic> ah, apt-cacheR
[13:57] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:57] <Leerok> Aye, with an R.
[13:58] <allquixotic> I wasn't aware of apt-cacheR until I just tried to run it :P
[13:58] <allquixotic> shell completion says it's in its own paage
[13:58] <allquixotic> package
[13:58] <Leerok> It is.
[13:59] <Leerok> It basically sets up a machine to save the packages downloaded through it for easy redistribution to other computers requesting the same packages.
[13:59] <Leerok> Saves bandwidth and time.
[14:00] <Leerok> Great if one is running multiple computers.
[14:00] <allquixotic> that's cool - I have three hardy boxes at home
[14:00] <allquixotic> well three hardy boxes total, but one is outside the LAN all day while I'm at college, so I'm using the main repo right now
[14:00] <Leerok> Hmm.
[14:01] <allquixotic> there must be some extra bandwidth available on the main ubuntu repo though, I got over 2 MBps downstream downloading those updates
[14:01] <allquixotic> took about 3 minutes to download 209 packages including kernel, hehe
[14:01] <Leerok> Megabytes?
[14:01] <allquixotic> yes
[14:01] <Leerok> Wow.
[14:01] <allquixotic> so about 16 MiB? :)
[14:01] <Leerok> I'm lucky if I get above 150KBps.
[14:02] <allquixotic> heh
[14:02] <savvas> Leerok: from the description, i'd say apt-cacher looks easier to maintain and redistribute
[14:02] <orvokki> allquixotic: MiB is not related to network speeds
[14:02] <allquixotic> maybe my university has a mirror? :S
[14:02] <allquixotic> yeah, well, 16 megabits :P
[14:02] <Leerok> Easier to maintain, eh?
[14:02] <Leerok> I'll try it at some point, then.
[14:04] <orvokki> allquixotic: Right. So 16 Mbps. :)
[14:04] <allquixotic> did anyone watch Lennart Poeterring's presentation on realtime audio development on Linux, where his Fedora (Rawhide = Ubuntu+1) crashed during the presentation? that's the Ubuntu difference... been using Hardy since alpha 3 and it's very stable
[14:04] <Leerok> Oivey.
[14:05] <allquixotic> the link to the presentation is in #pulseaudio if you're fascinated by it ;) he labeled it "real time porn" but pay no mind to his sick sense of humor
[14:06] <allquixotic> although I was deeply saddened by the *machine* that it crashed on
[14:06] <allquixotic> a ThinkPad (which is what I use) :(
[14:06] <Leerok> Wait, what was it that crashed?
[14:06] <Leerok> A Fedora or Ubuntu+1?
[14:06] <allquixotic> well first he thought that X crashed
[14:06] <allquixotic> a Fedora Rawhide.
[14:06] <Leerok> Ah.
[14:06] <Lynoure> allquixotic: so, kernel panic, or what?
[14:06] <allquixotic> he ended up rebooting the system - X crashed and didn't property put the video driver in a state where he could get to the console either
[14:06] <allquixotic> properly*
[14:07] <Leerok> Oy, no console?
[14:07] <allquixotic> well if X crashes hard, sometimes it can leave your video in an unusable state
[14:07] <Leerok> Rather Titanic.
[14:08] <allquixotic> well update-manager wants me to reboot, so here goes nothing ;) worse comes to worse I'll be back on 2.6.24-10 if the -11 problems haven't been resolved
[14:08] <allquixotic> brb
[14:11] <Leerok> Anyone tried debtorrent yet?
[14:12] <tdoggette> I'
[14:14] <allquixotic> as I suspected :( changing screen brightness has no effect
[14:14] <allquixotic> the only difference between -11 and -12 is that -12 keeps it at full brightness, while -11 kept it at minimum brightness
[14:16] <tdoggette> I'm running the latest Hardy on my home machine (which I don't have access to right now) and the keyboard input is buggered. After a recent update, a SCIM gui thing started popping up in the bottom right whenever I went into a text field. I went into the options menu for it and made it stop appearing. After working as normal for some time, I went to type, and after the first few characters, letters appeared underlined, and turned into foreign charact
[14:16] <tdoggette> ers as I typed certain combinations of plain letters. Reboot and update did not help. The keyboard preference are set to 105-key US English. How can I get back to normal?
[14:16] <Leerok> Strange.
[14:18] <allquixotic> tdoggette: update again, I think they pushed another update that turns it off by default, but to really turn it off you have to go into system -> administration -> language support and uncheck the box at the bottom
[14:18] <allquixotic> yeah, the option to turn it off definitely isn't in SCIM itself, it's managed by the Language Support applet, which will stubbornly keep restarting it unless you delete the binaries :)
[14:18] <allquixotic> and then you'll get errors out the wazzoo
[14:19] <allquixotic> also, if you start typing in arabic that's because you hit alt+space, which is SCIM's hotkey for "turn on input method editor", and the first language alphabetically happens to be Arabic
[14:22] <allquixotic> hth
[14:23] <tdoggette> allquixotic: You're my hero.
[14:24] <allquixotic> your hero is restarting X
[14:39] <allquixotic> exa mode for the intel driver is still looking pretty bad... xaa with page flipping and triple buffering is fine though
[15:05] <Leerok> Apohorese?
[15:09] <Tipolosko> i have an issue with gconf not starting because xrandr plugin failing; is this issue being known? i've fixed it removing xrandr plugin "by hand"..
[15:19] <Tipolosko> nobody know? :/
[15:19] <savvas> gnome-about: Depends: gnome-desktop-data (= 1:2.21.92-0ubuntu3) but 1:2.21.91-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[15:19] <savvas> :\
[15:20] <savvas> try search http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu Tipolosko
[15:20] <rocky> blech...   ca.archive.ubuntu.com is returning 503's for everything
[15:22] <savvas> rocky:  better use main servers until hardy is stable, like us. uk. and archive.ubuntu.com
[15:24] <Milos_SD> there is new update for linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-12 ... is it safe to update it? :)
[15:24] <Milos_SD> what is in that package anyway?
[15:24] <Milos_SD> :)
[15:24] <Pici> Thats your kernel.
[15:25] <Milos_SD> kernel is linux-image :)
[15:25] <Milos_SD> and not ubuntu-modules :)
[15:25] <Pici> Fine. Semantics, it kernel models
[15:27] <mEck0> Hi! I'm running NetBeans under Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha6 and have an annoying problem. I can't write special characters like { in NetBeans (works everywhere else). The problem is with all the chars which requires that I use the AltGr-button on the keyboard. When I for instance press AltGr+7 I should get a {, but only gets a 7
[15:50] <emet> !info firefox
[15:50] <ubotwo> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.6+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8960 kB, installed size 26008 kB (Only available for None)
[15:50] <emet> ..
[15:50] <emet> !info firefox hardy
[15:51] <emet> !info firefox3.0
[15:51] <ubotwo> Package firefox3.0 does not exist in gutsy
[15:51] <emet> !info firefox-3.0 hardy
[15:51] <ubotwo> firefox-3.0: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~alpha8+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1130 kB, installed size 3832 kB (Only available for None)
[15:51] <emet> weird
[15:51] <emet> is hardy repo broken?
[15:51] <savvas> firefox-3.0
[15:51] <savvas> not firefox3.0 :P
[15:51] <emet> right but it's not showing in ubotwo
[15:52] <emet> the right package
[15:52] <emet> it is beta3 not alpha8
[15:52] <savvas> it's a meta package
[15:52] <savvas> hm..
[15:52] <savvas> !info linux-generic hardy
[15:52] <ubotwo> linux-generic: Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB (Only available for None)
[15:52] <savvas> !info linux-image-generic hardy
[15:52] <ubotwo> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB (Only available for None)
[15:52] <emet> this is gutsy's package it is showing
[15:52] <savvas> !info firefox hardy
[15:52] <ubotwo> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.6+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8960 kB, installed size 26008 kB (Only available for None)
[15:52] <savvas> there :p
[15:52] <savvas> oh
[15:52] <savvas> dunno
[15:53] <savvas> maybe because it's alpha, and ubotwo is ubotu in #ubuntu, the stable release channel
[16:22] <blue-frog_> Hi, would like to fill in a bug report (if it's one) but am at a loss as under what name/package I should do that. When copying data to/from USB HDD and my laptop HDD, the system basically comes to a halt and nothing else than copying can occur. to/from laptop HDD is a bit better but still the system is slowed down a lot.
[16:25] <fenrig> sound problem just fixed?
[16:25] <fenrig> uhm
[16:26] <fenrig> wel i'm here to ask
[16:26] <fenrig> how come my xorg.conf got bloated in the update of an hour ago or something?
[16:30] <clusty> hey
[16:30] <bjw> I am having an issue with suspend. This: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend use to work for me. Now it doesn't. Blank screen. Any suggestions?
[16:30] <clusty> was curious if hardy has java working again properly
[16:30] <clusty> the sun java
[16:44] <shaya> just wondering if any eta of firefox 3 beta 4 hitting hrady?
[16:49] <vistakiller> i think it will soon
[17:03] <judgen> is it possible to kill artsd so it does not start again....
[17:04] <tgelter> bjw: I've had the same problem coming to hardy from gutsy
[17:04] <tgelter> bjw: I just don't suspend right now =)
[17:08] <savvas> so i'm the only one that has problems with dependencies
[17:08] <savvas> The following packages have been kept back: bluez-gnome gnome-about gnome-desktop-data gnome-media-common gnome-panel-data nautilus-data
[17:11] <h3sp4wn> thats not a problem
[17:11] <h3sp4wn> its aptitude telling you not to break your system and force the upgrade
[17:11] <h3sp4wn> *potentially
[17:12] <savvas> h3sp4wn: it is when it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[17:12] <savvas> :P
[17:12] <h3sp4wn> Thats not a problem either
[17:12] <shaya> savvas: and therefore dont upgrade things that are forcing you to remove it
[17:12] <shaya> if you dont want to remove it
[17:12] <shaya> I always check what's being installed and removed to see if its sane
[17:12] <h3sp4wn> Just put it back when its sensible to do so
[17:13] <savvas> you're probably right
[17:13] <vistakiller> i have read that konqueror will work with flash in hardy
[17:13] <tgelter> so, when I run, say "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade", it goes through the normal process but outputs a ton of extra line feeds...is this a known issue?
[17:13] <vistakiller> but ti is not
[17:13] <h3sp4wn> vistakiller: konqueror4 is very nice (just worked with flash for me on 32 bit)
[17:13] <h3sp4wn> never tried it on my 64 bit box
[17:14] <vistakiller> i have kde 3.5.9 and is not working here
[17:14] <shaya> flash works on 64bit?
[17:14] <savvas> yeah
[17:14] <shaya> I was under the impression that it didnt work even on Win32
[17:14] <savvas> nspluginwrapper
[17:14] <h3sp4wn> with nspluginwrapper
[17:14] <shaya> I mean Win64
[17:14] <shaya> oh
[17:14] <h3sp4wn> win64 has a 32 bit ie anyway
[17:14] <shaya> yes
[17:14] <shaya> but they include a "Run IE in 32 bit mode"
[17:14] <h3sp4wn> dunno why ubuntu cannot just provide a 32 bit firefox for us
[17:15] <shaya> h3sp4wn: every open source plugin would then have to be 32 bit too
[17:15] <h3sp4wn> (as it stands I just use the mozilla.com binaries)
[17:15] <h3sp4wn> and use equivs to stop ubuntu installing the 64 bit firefox
[17:17] <tgelter> h3sp4wn: you should check out "getlibs"
[17:17] <judgen> hmm i have some serious bugs in Unreal 2004 in hardy...
[17:17] <judgen> graphics is all white and stripy
[17:18] <h3sp4wn> tgelter: can you elaborate slightly ? (I would build a 32 bit firefox against ia32libs but docs on how to do it are scarce)
[17:19] <tgelter> h3sp4wn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790
[17:19] <h3sp4wn> That looks horrible
[17:19] <tgelter> I assume this would work for 32 bit firefox but I haven't done it myself
[17:19] <kyklone> judgen: its known driver issue, does not occur with 100.14.19 or 96 series
[17:20] <h3sp4wn> everything needed is in ia32libs / ia32libs-gtk
[17:20] <tgelter> h3sp4wn: apparently you are better-prepared to take on the issue than I am, I just remember seeing that wiki page in the past
[17:22] <judgen> im using 169.12 kyklone
[17:22] <judgen> and that is the nvidia-glx-new package
[17:23] <judgen> so should i use some other nvidia-glx package?
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[17:24] <kyklone> judgen yes, 96.43.05
[17:24] <h3sp4wn> judgen: Are you using compiz ?
[17:24] <h3sp4wn> ut2004 is fine with my quadro
[17:24] <kyklone> what model?
[17:25] <h3sp4wn> 1600m
[17:25] <h3sp4wn> quadro fx 1600m (lspci says but its DX 10 so I dunno whether it an FX)(
[17:26] <judgen> h3sp4wn, no
[17:26] <kyklone> quadro usually uses some open gl tweaks, and this is alpha texture bug
[17:27] <judgen> yay it works perfectly with the nvidia-glx package
[17:27] <judgen> thatnks kyklone
[17:28] <h3sp4wn> Its got some other stuff in hardware as well (but those are not relevant to games)
[17:28] <kyklone> h3sp4wn: not sure, there was sotware/bios mods for geforce->quadro conversion
[17:29] <h3sp4wn> kyklone: To make the driver think that
[17:29] <kyklone> h3sp4wn it enables quadro features also
[17:31] <h3sp4wn> http://www.nvidia.com/attach/1006974?type=support&primitive=0
[17:34] <h3sp4wn> Unless the geforce was a quadro that didn't live upto qa then that wouldn't happen
[17:36] <Milos_SD> is it safe to update kernel to 2.6.24-12.13 version? Will that affect nvidia driver because there is no update for them ?
 i understand, you need to justify spending you money fo quadro
[17:40] <h3sp4wn> kyklone: I think its 100% worth it so far
[17:41] <judgen> well if you think so...
[17:41] <judgen> hehe
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[17:42] <Nilbus> I'm loading the x86 Hardy iso in qemu and it brings me to BusyBox (initramfs) prompt.  What is it doing?
[17:42] <kyklone> if you dont want to be involved in hackage, sure, go for quadro, but dont say its different in hardware
[17:43] <Milos_SD> is it safe to update kernel to 2.6.24-12.13 version? Will that affect nvidia driver because there is no update for them ?
[17:48] <allyourrejects> anyone know how to make my keyboard work again on hardy livecd?  It works all the way up until i hit "boot into install"
[17:49] <judgen> enable legacy usb in bios
[17:49] <allyourrejects> yes, it works all the way up until i hit "install from live cd" or whatever
[17:49] <allyourrejects> that would mean i have legacy usb in the bios
[17:49] <judgen> yeah
[17:49] <judgen> thats right
[17:50] <allyourrejects> i tried noacpi, that used to work years ago..
[17:50] <allyourrejects> mouse won't work either. btw
[17:50] <judgen> i have never used an live cd in my life so i dont know. but it sounds a bit like a faulty disk
[17:50] <allyourrejects> it boots fine
[17:50] <allyourrejects> not no way to input ;)
[17:50] <judgen> ok
[17:51] <allyourrejects> err just no way to input.  Like usb isn't being detected by linux
[17:51] <judgen> try disabling usb 2.0 while installing and turning it back on afterwards if you succeed
[17:51] <TuTUXG__> allyourrejects, use a ps/2 keyboard to install the os(if it's wat u want) and switch back to ur usb keyboard
[17:52] <orvokki> allyourrejects: Hmm, are usb mouse drivers loaded at that stage?
[17:52] <allyourrejects> TuTUXG__: yeah.. ps2 mouse is working, but not ps2 keyboard
[17:52] <orvokki> If not, you need to enable emulation from BIOS.
[17:52] <allyourrejects> i've tried like 6 keyboards
[17:52] <allyourrejects> and already been through the emulation thing ;)
[17:52] <orvokki> Ah, right.
[17:52] <TuTUXG__> ps2 keyboard doesnt work neither? i thought it's just usb..
[17:52] <allyourrejects> it works up until linux boots :)
[17:52] <allyourrejects> TuTUXG__: i actually think thats a bad port
[17:53] <allyourrejects> it doesn't work at *all*  in any os
[17:53] <judgen> lol
[17:53] <TuTUXG__> ...
[17:53] <orvokki> Might be a hardware/driver bug.
[17:53] <allyourrejects> i just found that out lol
[17:54] <allyourrejects> i'll get console output in a few, have to edit boot options
[17:54] <TuTUXG__> try a parallel keyboard then
[17:54] <allyourrejects> hmm... only other keyboard i have is that mac/scsi deal
[17:55] <allyourrejects> judgen: disabling usb 2.0 seemed to work atm
[17:56] <allyourrejects> i can pageup/down in dmesg boot output
[17:56] <judgen> allyourrejects, just turn it back on after install is complete
[17:57] <allyourrejects> great, thanks.
[17:57]  * allyourrejects was screwed...
[17:57] <allyourrejects> had 1 cdr, and no bandwidth to download non-hardy
[17:57] <judgen> oh ok
[18:02] <judgen> im spoiled with internet connection.. i always do net install of *buntu
[18:05] <emet> oo compiz has been updated in hardy
[18:08] <strabes> could someone help me run the patch located on this website? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519737
[18:08] <ubotwo> Gnome bug 519737 in iPod "Duplicate tracks added to library after pluging in ipod" [Normal,New]
[18:13] <Leerok> Hardy seems to work.
[18:13] <Leerok> And it does seem to be fast.
[18:14] <kingrayray> hey is sound still messed up in current hardy?
[18:15] <Leerok> I don't know, but I could probably test.
[18:16] <Milos_SD> kingrayray, no it is not ...
[18:16] <kingrayray> Milos_SD, thanks :) i heard something about broken alsa so i've been avoiding updates
[18:17] <Milos_SD> do not update
[18:17] <Milos_SD> :)
[18:17] <Milos_SD> thare are new meta packages with -12.13 version, but thare is no -12.13 kernel and modules packages
[18:17] <Milos_SD> only meta :S
[18:20] <paulr> anyone seen any "undefined symbol: __stack_chk_fail_local" type errors when trying to run their own code on hardy (code that works fine elsewhere )
[18:21] <judgen> annoying that no version of ubuntu can play sound as loud as mandriva.
[18:21] <judgen> i have everything at max.. even the stereo and its not loud at all
[18:21] <judgen> atleast with my sound chip
[18:24] <allyourrejects> judgen: does your card have a external power modifier?
[18:24] <allyourrejects> judgen: if that is on, it will decrease the volume so that powered systems don't get overloaded
[18:27] <judgen> nah its just an integrated rtl Alc888
[18:27] <judgen> its sounds fine in BeOS, mandriva and windows though
[18:31] <judgen> i have another problem too though.. this one might be easier to fix... my system always starts with caps lock enabled...
[18:31] <judgen> bloody annoying
[18:35] <syke_> hi!
[18:36] <syke_> now that gcc 4.3 is release, will it be moved into a gcc-4.3 package and gcc-snapshot now reflect the trunk?
[18:36] <judgen> is kde-look.org down?
[18:41] <judgen> wow amarok uses almost 200mb ram
[18:41] <nemo> judgen: erm
[18:41] <nemo> judgen: careful there
[18:42] <nemo> media players commonly use a lot of buffer and cache
[18:42] <nemo> cache esp as system accesses files
[18:42] <judgen> true
[18:42] <nemo> some idiots with giant media libraries were claiming audacious used a gigabyte of memory
[18:42] <judgen> my system uses 0b swap...
[18:42] <nemo> which was not true at all
[18:42] <nemo> judgen: if you had less memory free, I'm sure you'd find amarok's usage decreasing, without your swap kicking in
[18:43] <judgen> ok
[18:43] <nemo> you know, linux has always been good about making use of the memory available.
[18:43] <judgen> yeah i know
[18:43] <judgen> but all my plugins cant help =P
[18:43] <nemo> possibly...
[18:43] <nemo> where'd you get the 200MiB figure from?
[18:43] <judgen> got 56 plugins
[18:43] <judgen> ps
[18:43] <nemo> with what parameters?
[18:44] <h3sp4wn> I have never had to worry about ram usage for ages
[18:44] <Leerok> Audacious?
[18:44] <Leerok> Audacity?
[18:44] <nemo> Leerok: my personal fav media player
[18:44] <judgen> ok i disabled the prebuffer plugin and now it uses 42mb
[18:44] <Leerok> Ah.
[18:44] <nemo> http://audacious-media-player.org
[18:44] <Leerok> I often use mplayer to play my music.
[18:44] <nemo> Leerok: think of it as XMMS only actually maintained and GTK2 :)
[18:44] <compbrain> Has anyone found the new Keyboard input widget annoying enough to disable it?
[18:45] <Leerok> Unless I want to listen to psfs and spcs.
[18:45] <nemo> Leerok: I like the fact that it doesn't require gnome or any such thing, so works well on my XFCE4 notebooks
[18:45] <Leerok> Keyboard input widget?
[18:45] <compbrain> SCIM
[18:45] <Leerok> Never used it.
[18:45] <compbrain> Periodically it decides to switch me to something silly, and I get glorious unicode
[18:45] <nemo> compbrain: sooo, disable shift-space and/or scim entirely? :)
[18:45] <h3sp4wn> xmms released on 11/07
[18:45] <nemo> h3sp4wn: yes. :)
[18:46] <compbrain> ጥሂስ ኢስ ውሃት እንድ ስ ኡፕ ሃፕፐኒን << Not intentional
[18:46] <nemo> h3sp4wn: look at the history :-p
[18:46] <compbrain> nemo: Yea.
[18:46] <judgen> btw anyone got any nice 1680x1050 wallpapers
[18:46] <h3sp4wn> nemo: Yep but to be unmaintained it would have had to have not released for longer than that
[18:46] <nemo> h3sp4wn: my point is actually developed
[18:46] <crimsun> compbrain: the default keybindings are not conducive to most Western users
[18:46] <nemo> h3sp4wn: new plugins, new features
[18:46] <nemo> h3sp4wn: the XMMS updates are basic security fixes
[18:46] <nemo> not even improving decoding bugs
[18:47] <nemo> h3sp4wn: well. some of that, but not much
[18:47] <nemo> Leerok: the other nice thing is that porting an XMMS plugin to Audacious is pretty easy, usually
[18:47] <Leerok> Shift space?!
[18:47] <nemo> it used to be even easier, but they refactored some
[18:47] <compbrain> crimsun: I only seem to trigger it by accident at work, so I end up with funny looking python
[18:47] <nemo> Leerok: so, a lot of the XMMS plugins were adopted.
[18:47] <Leerok> That's the worst keyboard shortcut to switch input modes!
[18:47] <Leerok> Hmm.
[18:47] <nemo> Leerok: yeah. I turned that one off :)
[18:47] <Leerok> Perhaps I'll consider using Audacious, then.
[18:47] <nemo> I kept ctrl-space 'cause I like japanese input
[18:48] <nemo> Leerok: if you liked XMMS you'll like it - even same skins
[18:48] <Leerok> I keep the Japanese input in its own window.
[18:48] <h3sp4wn> nemo: I use amarok so its not really an issue
[18:48] <nemo> h3sp4wn: well, I wasn't talking to you, was I :)
[18:48] <nemo> Amarok is a good player too. go to it and enjoy
[18:49] <judgen> i really like rhythmbox, but nowdays i stay away from gtk
[18:49] <h3sp4wn> nemo: But xmms seems good enough really
[18:49] <nemo> h3sp4wn: meh. on surface. under skin. not so much.
[18:49] <nemo> h3sp4wn: and GTK1? ugh.
[18:49] <h3sp4wn> (4front do / did have some involvement with it though)
[18:49] <judgen> i only got one gtk app installed... and thats synaptic
[18:49] <nemo> judgen: what's wrong with GTK?  Even under KDE there are reasons to use it
[18:50] <nemo> judgen: personally, I find there are more GTK apps I want to use than Qt - so on my limited memory machines, GTK wins
[18:50] <nemo> even though I think XFCE4 can use either one
[18:50] <judgen> nemo, i think the qt equivalents of the few apps i use is better. with exception to synaptic
[18:50] <h3sp4wn> nemo: I remember it not working with alsa very well but with oss then its fine
[18:50] <nemo> h3sp4wn: *shrug* all that was fixed long ago
[18:51] <nemo> h3sp4wn: that's what I mean by XMMS being "unmaintained" :-p
[18:51] <judgen>  xmms2 has gotten quite far along hasnt it?
[18:51] <nemo> judgen: hm. I suppose.
[18:51] <nemo> at one point it hadn't
[18:51] <nemo> judgen: you know the Audacious history?
[18:52] <judgen> not really
[18:52] <judgen> i know most of the history of CL-Amp though =P (BeOS mp3 player)
[18:52] <h3sp4wn> nemo: Does it keep the UI and playback thread seperate ?
[18:52] <h3sp4wn> (Thats the most important thing)
[18:52] <nemo> h3sp4wn: yes
[18:53] <h3sp4wn> Other than sound quality I suppose
[18:53] <nemo> h3sp4wn: makes debugging a pain, but whatever :)
[18:53] <judgen> what toolkit is valknut built with?
[18:54] <h3sp4wn> nemo: Thats definately worth it though
[18:54] <nemo> yeah, I know :)
[18:54] <nemo> still was frustrating.
[18:54] <nemo> I hate debugging multithreaded apps, and Audacious is generous in its threading.
[18:55] <crimsun> judgen: Qt3
[18:55] <nemo> and ddd does not make it easy
[18:55] <nemo> I kept having to switch contexts. very annoying.
[18:55] <judgen> crimsun, i just realized that, but thanks
[19:03]  * oxigen hate this java crap!
[19:05] <nemo> oxigen that's kinda vague
[19:06] <nemo> are you having java plugin problems due to ubuntu's baroque plugin directory layout?
[19:06] <nemo> or eclipse problems due to ubuntu's optimistic VM assignment? :)
[19:06] <nemo> so many choices...
[19:08] <oxigen> c'mon, 5 years old bugs sucks: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695
[19:08] <h3sp4wn> oxigen: pay them - they will provide you with a hotfix with the right service contract
[19:08]  * frank_ laughs at the use of the term baroque directory layout
[19:09] <oxigen> h3sp4wn: pay who?
[19:09] <h3sp4wn> oxigen: Sun
[19:09] <oxigen> h3sp4wn: paypal?
[19:09] <oxigen> you have some url?
[19:10] <h3sp4wn> http://www.sun.com/sales/index.jsp ring them up ask how much it will cost
[19:10] <oxigen> heh
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> That is fixed in the java 7 alphas though anywya
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> (Didn't think it would be that bug or look)
[19:12] <vistakiller> java is working in hardy?
[19:13] <h3sp4wn> Works for me (Binaries from sun)
[19:13] <vistakiller> i try to open frostwire but it say tha i dont have the correct jre
[19:13] <vistakiller> i have jre 6
[19:13] <nemo> vistakiller: um. what is frostwire?
[19:14] <h3sp4wn> limewire like ?
[19:14] <vistakiller> gnutella programme,open source fork from limewire
[19:14] <nemo> vistakiller: mm. and you're sure you are using jre6.
[19:14] <h3sp4wn> the only gnutella program I ever used was gnut
[19:14] <nemo> you might have to rerun alternatives
[19:14] <nemo> vistakiller: it might be using gcj or something
[19:14] <h3sp4wn> (I think that is long unmaintained)
[19:15] <nemo> vistakiller: update-alternatives and all that
[19:15] <nemo> h3sp4wn: I've always stuck with torrents personally
[19:15] <vistakiller> ok i will see what i can do
[19:15] <h3sp4wn> nemo: I don't think torrents existed when I used that
[19:17] <nemo> h3sp4wn: ah. that far back I was an upstanding citizen :)
[19:17] <nemo> still am, mostly, thanks to linux
[19:23] <tgelter> is there a pastebin for images?
[19:23] <compbrain> imageshack?
[19:23] <Leerok> Sounds seems to work on Hardy just fine.
[19:24] <Leerok> tinypic.com
[19:24] <h3sp4wn> nemo: I used that when napster stopped - now I am an upstanding citizen though
[19:24] <Leerok> 2ch.ru/b
[19:24] <compbrain> I had a patch to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base [from Gutsy], so sound didn't work on first boot. Removed and fixed
[19:26]  * Leerok goes home.
[19:26] <tgelter> compbrain: thanks, I saw that, but don't want to have to sign up
[19:27] <Asad2005> how to disable privileged user warning when login as root GUI
[19:33] <DanaG> Why are OpenOffice's transitions so horribly jumpy?
[19:34] <h3sp4wn> DanaG: No idea - StarOffice on Solaris doesn't have the same issues for me (never used OO on Solaris though)
[19:35] <DanaG> Try setting a picture with the "magnify" effect.
[19:36] <DanaG> Especially if you turn on "Use hardware acceleration".
[19:36] <tritium> I only use OO to view documents sent to me by others.  The very first thing I tried to do -- save a picture from a word document to a file -- failed in OO.
[19:36] <nemo> tritium: erm. what?
[19:36] <tritium> Apparently it can't be done.
[19:37] <tritium> nemo: what needs clarification?
[19:37] <DanaG> Clipboard, perhaps?
[19:37] <tritium> DanaG: no, I asked in #openoffice.org.  That feature is currently not supported.
[19:37] <nemo> tritium: I was being disbelieving is all :)
[19:37] <tritium> nemo: ah
[19:38] <tritium> Ironically, older versions did support that capability.
[19:38] <nemo> I just tested
[19:38] <nemo> right clicked on a graphic in a word doc
[19:38] <nemo> saved fine
[19:39] <nemo> but. this was on a gutsy machine
[19:39] <tritium> no way...
[19:39] <nemo> yes way
[19:39] <h3sp4wn> StarOffice can do that for certain
[19:39] <nemo> took me a little bit to find a word doc someone had sent me
[19:39] <nemo> that was most of the hangup. that and not believing you :)
[19:39] <nemo> most people seem to send me PDFs...
[19:40] <tritium> Well, it didn't work for me, and an OO dev told me it wasn't supported.
[19:40] <tritium> Cool that you got around that.
[19:40] <nemo> people in #openoffice.org are a bit well, not devs
[19:40] <nemo> some are. but...
[19:40] <tritium> :)
[19:40]  * tritium searches for a doc to re-test...
[19:41] <nemo> the only openoffice weakness I've really encountered is the abysmal support for embedded media even in native presentations
[19:41] <nemo> I ran into that when needing to do a presentation with audio
[19:41] <tritium> I'll stick with LaTeX ;)
[19:41] <nemo> you can do audio in latex?
[19:42] <tritium> Yes.  Check out beamer for presentations, including media.
[19:42] <tritium> !info latex-beamer
[19:42] <nemo> theoretically it has support btw. in practice, after 5 hours of mucking about with the java dependancies and still getting nothing, I gave up
[19:42] <ubotwo> latex-beamer: LaTeX class to produce presentations. In component main, is optional. Version 3.07-1 (gutsy), package size 2140 kB, installed size 3136 kB (Only available for None)
[19:42] <nemo> interesting.
[19:42] <nemo> tritium: haven't done much latex, but will check it out
[19:42] <nemo> do you recommend a good latex gui?
[19:42] <nemo> for noobs
[19:42] <kumarphilly> geez i have 143 updates today
[19:42] <kumarphilly> 82 yesterday
[19:42] <tritium> texmaker is nice
[19:43] <tritium> nemo: LaTeX isn't for everybody, but I love it, particularly for its mathematics typesetting.  It's second to none.
[19:43] <nonix4> Anyone happen to have documented recommended partitioning layout for lvm+raid1-boot+raid5-rest gutsy+hardy+... configuration? As in where to put the various /boot's, how to partition the rest, etc? (if you can't guess from the raid5 part, yes it's meant to be a server, kind of;)
[19:43] <DanaG> Oh hey, there's a "Latex" SCIM table.  It's awesome.
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> nemo: emacs
[19:44] <nemo> h3sp4wn: you're funny :)
[19:44] <DanaG> √♥ = ?
[19:44] <h3sp4wn> Its the best latex env
[19:44] <tritium> lol
[19:44] <nemo> tritium: well, the only mathematics typesetting I have any experience with is MathML
[19:44] <nemo> tritium: which embeds beautifully in XHTML docs - I wish there was more browser support
[19:44] <tritium> nemo: well, it has other strengths too.  In the end, it's up to your preferences, I guess.
[19:45] <nemo> fortunately, anyone I need to send it to, usually has the right fonts and browser :)
[19:45] <DanaG> τ=100µs
[19:45] <DanaG> Stuff like that.
[19:45] <nemo> DanaG: ... hm. unless my fonts suck, you were trying to solve for the square root of love
[19:45] <DanaG> δ/δt (♥) = ?
[19:45] <nemo> I'd imagine that'd be masturbation
[19:45] <DanaG> Yes, it's a reference to an xkcd comic.
[19:46] <nemo> if ♥ = person²
[19:46] <nemo> ah
[19:46] <tritium> I'm _definitely_ not an emacs person.
[19:47]  * nemo isn't either
[19:47] <h3sp4wn> I wasn't until recently
[19:47] <tritium> Just like I don't need a Hummer with a 4" lift to cross the street.
[19:47] <h3sp4wn> well a year or so ago -
[19:48] <DanaG> A ≸ B
[19:48] <h3sp4wn> But having one thing constant in all the things I need to do makes life simpler
[19:48] <DanaG> WTF?
[19:48] <tritium> I find it way too featureful.
[19:48] <crimsun> tritium: try vile.
[19:48] <DanaG> A ≹ B
[19:48] <tritium> Hi crimsun!
[19:48] <DanaG> I use gedit.
[19:48] <nemo> gvim (of course)
[19:49] <Technoviking> SET nicklist_height 38
[19:49] <crimsun> tritium: I meant zile, sorry.
[19:49] <crimsun> silly v and z too close
[19:49] <tritium> crimsun: thanks, I'll take a look at it.
[19:50] <nemo> http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=vi+editor&word2=emacs+editor  the eternal battle :)
[19:50] <nemo> unfortunately vim vs emacs is not really fair since vim is a word
[19:51] <tritium> I could never get emacs to use the fonts of my choice.
[19:51] <tritium> say, Bitstream Vera Sans Mono
[19:51] <h3sp4wn> I guess if that is a battle then I am a traitor who joined the other side
[19:53] <h3sp4wn> I still only use vim as root but vim-tiny
[19:53] <bardyr> hmm, is the default LVM mapping mode on the alternave cd striping?
[19:53] <bardyr> alternative*
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> No idea - If you want that I would install from grml and setup the lvm manually
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> grml-debootstrap works to install ubuntu
[19:55] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, its just that im copying to 2 5.4k disks with 23.2MB/s
[19:56] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: dunno who would know you could have a look in the installer I guess
[20:01] <Darkmystere> err ok i cant seem to find the md5 sum on the web for the hardy Live CD...
[20:01] <Darkmystere> lol i googled and cant find it..
[20:05] <bardyr> Darkmystere right next to the link for the iso's
[20:05] <nemo> no kidding
[20:05] <nemo> I was about to make fun of him
[20:05] <nemo> after first double-checking the hardy release page :)
[20:06] <Black_Magic> Am i crazy or did the Ubuntu Hardy CD Size get bigger during install..
[20:07] <savvas> what do you mean?
[20:07] <Black_Magic> err they said it was
[20:07] <Black_Magic> 694MB
[20:07] <Black_Magic> and now i see it its
[20:07] <Black_Magic> 735MB
[20:07] <Black_Magic> so ill have to use a DVD...
[20:07] <Black_Magic> thats 10Gig...and i only have 2 left..
[20:08] <compbrain> Black_Magic: Alternate image?
[20:08] <Black_Magic> Desktop ISO
[20:09] <Black_Magic> [   ] hardy-desktop-i386.iso            06-Mar-2008 06:57  691M  Desktop CD for PC (Intel x86) computers (standard download)
[20:09] <Black_Magic> and nautilus reads 734.9MB...
[20:09] <Black_Magic> it could be that this computer is half gusty half hardy..
[20:09] <Black_Magic> and the half of unupdated nautilus
[20:10] <savvas> hardy-desktop-amd64.iso           06-Mar-2008 06:56  696M
[20:10] <Black_Magic> and messing with the half thats updated..
[20:10] <savvas> hardy-desktop-i386.iso            06-Mar-2008 06:57  691M
[20:10] <bardyr> has anybody gotten java to work?
[20:10] <bardyr> in FF
[20:10] <savvas> Black_Magic: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[20:10] <Black_Magic> i can even show you my Wget log
[20:10] <Black_Magic> yea thats the one i used.
[20:10] <savvas> i don't know where you got those images, they're not ok
[20:10] <savvas> use rsync to check them
[20:10] <Black_Magic> --22:27:58--  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[20:11] <savvas> sorry can't help more, gotta go :\
[20:11] <Black_Magic> rsync?
[20:11] <Black_Magic> how that works?
[20:11] <crimsun> rsync -vP source dest
[20:13] <Black_Magic> -rw-r--r--   770636799 2008/03/05 23:57:00 hardy-desktop-i386.iso
[20:13] <Black_Magic> sent 57 bytes  received 20 bytes  154.00 bytes/sec
[20:13] <Black_Magic> total size is 770636799  speedup is 10008270.12
[20:13] <Black_Magic> going to see if i can find my DVDs...
[20:14] <nonix4> Black_Magic: regarding kilobytes, see http://xkcd.com/
[20:14] <Black_Magic> 1 MB is 1204 KB
[20:16] <Black_Magic> 640063.78654485
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> How does that work then 1MB = 1024 KB
[20:17] <nonix4> h3sp4wn: and KB = Kelly-Bootle standard unit (as shown on xkcd.com)?
[20:17] <Black_Magic> 1204 MB is one Gig..
[20:17] <Black_Magic> 1204 Gigs is 1 Teribyte..
[20:18] <h3sp4wn> nonix4: No idea nothing makes sense apart from in base 2
[20:18] <Black_Magic> i meant bytes..
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> or 16 - any of the other ones are like most commitee designed stuff no one actually uses
[20:19] <nonix4> h3sp4wn: yeah... 1204 doesn't make sense in any base though :/
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> nonix4: exactly
[20:19] <Black_Magic> lol but thats what the site says
[20:19] <Black_Magic> ;)
[20:19] <Black_Magic> uurgh cant even find DVD...
[20:21] <Black_Magic> sec....looking for them just had them yesturday
[20:21] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: Do you have a usb key ?
[20:21] <Black_Magic> i dont get what the K i B thing means...usb key?
[20:21] <h3sp4wn> usb flash drive
[20:22] <nonix4> h3sp4wn: casper? or what was it called? ;)
[20:23] <l815> after some recent updates there are weird shadows on the sides of the windows (only with effects enabled)
[20:23] <h3sp4wn> Reminds me of that friendly ghost movie - but I think its the name of the something to do with live mode yes
[20:23] <Black_Magic> h3sp4wn: Nope...
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> netboot is quite easy or there is that installer that runs from windows
[20:24] <Black_Magic> i wish there was some tracking device that helped you find CDs and DVDs just a simple beeping noise getting louder and quiter the closer and farther i get away...:/
[20:24] <Black_Magic> lol
[20:24] <Black_Magic> wu wuu wuu...
[20:24] <Black_Magic> wu... can tsay it..
[20:24] <Black_Magic> i dont have Windows
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> What do you have ?
[20:25] <h3sp4wn> You can run the netinstall from an existing grub
[20:25] <Nilbus> if my computer won't resume from suspend on x86_64 ubuntu, then is there any chance that it will work with x86 ubuntu?
[20:26] <Black_Magic> i "Accedentally" killed it with Gparted
[20:26] <Black_Magic> Backtrack Federa Ubuntu and Ubuntu again
[20:26] <Black_Magic> -.- they where on the dinning room table..
[20:26] <Black_Magic> nilbus Slim..
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> Nilbus: Its not very likely no
[20:26] <Nilbus> ok
[20:26] <Nilbus> so slim that it's probably not worth trying, right? :P
[20:26] <Nilbus> hm, I could just test with a livecd
[20:27] <Black_Magic> i dont get why ole trust brasero works better then 20 something dollar Err....Nero4Linux
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> Yeah that is probably worth it
[20:27] <nonix4> Nilbus: well depends on the reason really...
[20:27] <emet> SCIM thing is annoyingh
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> remove it
[20:27] <Nilbus> nonix4, I don't know the reason
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> aptitude purge scim~i
[20:27] <goppp_> what new feature are in hardy
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> (Its only a recommend of ubuntu-desktop)
[20:28] <Flannel> goppp_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha6
[20:28] <nonix4> Nilbus: ... as in some drivers do indeed have slightly more up to date code on the 32 bit side - but on the other hand hardy should have most of them at about the same level...
[20:29] <emet> h3sp4wn, woohoo!
[20:29] <nemo> Black_Magic: out of curiosity - your windows issue (since I'm surprised about the gparted thing) is it that the chainload complains about NTLDR?
[20:30] <emet> h3sp4wn, it deleted the icon but the damn thing still pops up
[20:30] <nonix4> Nilbus: livecd approach may take less effort than compiling a minimalistic debug kernel to see if that makes any diff...
[20:30] <Nilbus> nonix4, that's what I'm doing
[20:31] <Nilbus> has anyone tried using qemu to install from an iso to a /dev/hdxx device?  There's a qemu bug that causes ubuntu not to be able to detect the cdrom device. I can't find a workaround
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> emet: did you logout and backin (Its not loaded here)
[20:32] <emet> h3sp4wn, I'll do that
[20:32] <Black_Magic> nemo, yep and and before that it was ntkrnl.exe ect so i just removed windows..
[20:33] <Black_Magic> brb this ubuntu install isnt working too good because its a Gusty/Hardy Hibrid because of Upgrade problems
[20:33] <nonix4> Umm, is there a maximum / recommended maximum number of software raid devices you shouldn't exceed on a system?
[20:35] <l815> when i play videos with effects on , my pc gets really slow and unresponsive. is there anything to fix this?
[20:36] <bardyr> l815, have you tried turning video acceleration on/off?
[20:36] <bardyr> and are you running a intel chipset?
[20:36] <l815> yeah intel
[20:37] <l815> gm965
[20:37] <l815> if i turn it off it's fine, but it's really bland without at least minimal effects
[20:37] <bardyr> well there where/are some problems with video and compiz, but dont know if they are fix yet
[20:37] <bardyr> on intel chipsets
[20:37] <l815> i don't have pre-released updates on yet so not sure either
[20:38] <O01> hey guys
[20:38] <l815> hey
[20:38] <JasonF> Is Dapper --> Hardy going to be supported?
[20:38] <crimsun> JasonF: yes.
[20:38] <O01> I just installed FireFox, and I was wondering how I could map my backspace and shift+backspace to have the browser for forward/backwards
[20:39] <JasonF> crimsun: thanks!
[20:40] <Nilbus> O01, go to about:config and set browser.backspace_action = 0
[20:40] <O01> no way?
[20:40] <O01> :)
[20:40] <Nilbus> yep
[20:40] <O01> thank you so much!! :)
[20:40] <Nilbus> I just searched about:config for backspace
[20:40] <Nilbus> and guessed 0
[20:41] <Nilbus> got lucky
[20:41] <O01> that's crazy
[20:41]  * Nilbus resets his to normal behavior. :P
[20:41] <Nilbus> I always hated that backspace action in Netscape back in the day.
[20:41] <O01> ahhh
[20:42] <O01> I really like it :)
[20:42] <Nilbus> glad it works for ya
[20:42] <O01> what do you usually use to go back/forward? :)
[20:42] <Nilbus> alt+<right>/<left>
[20:42] <O01> alt < >
[20:42] <O01> ah yea :)
[20:47] <K4k> just a quick question, got refered here by #ubuntu. I just downloaded the ISO for hardy and I was wondering if someone here who has been using it could tell me if they think it's more or less stable now
[20:48] <K4k> I'm curious because I'm putting it on my secondary box (Which when working is my primary) and I just want to know what I'm getting into in the way of stability
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> I would say its more or less stable - sometimes more sometimes less
[20:48] <K4k> lol
[20:48] <K4k> did you use gutsy pre-release as well?
[20:48] <clusty> does the sun java work now properly in hardy?
[20:48] <clusty> there used to be some X/AWT issue
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> K4k: I have used loads of pre releases (dapper ->)
[20:49] <K4k> would you say it's about as stable as gutsy was in it's final pre-release?
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> Infact I only ever used dapper for 2/3 weeks
[20:49] <K4k> haha
[20:49] <tgelter> I'm getting crackling audio with exaile under hardy...anyone heard of that?
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> K4k: Its pretty ok for me
[20:50] <h3sp4wn> gnome is perhaps a Release Candidate now
[20:50] <h3sp4wn> (not 21.x anymore but 22.x so its good enough for me)
[20:50] <K4k> awesome
[20:50] <K4k> then I think I should be ok
[20:50] <K4k> I don't do anything crazy with it
[20:52] <K4k> I'm assuming the answer is yes, but does anyone know if WMs like fluxbox are stable on hardy?
[20:52] <fyrmedic> isn't it supposed to release next m?onth
[20:52] <clusty> any java fellas in hardy?
[20:52] <K4k> fyrmedic, yes
[20:54] <fyrmedic> How is it with 64bit?
[20:55] <jetsaredim> what is this Skim utility that is showing up in hardy?
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> K4k: They don't mess with fluxbox
[21:01] <K4k> h3sp4wn, ok my only concern was maybe an incompatibility with a new/updated library but I'll test it and find out for myself I guess
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> I have used it a few months ago and it worked perfectly
[21:02] <K4k> great, thanks
[21:02] <h3sp4wn> (with hardy) its more sane with randr 1.2 than most actually
[21:02] <h3sp4wn> I hope its delayed dunno whether it will be though
[21:02] <K4k> you hope that hardy is delayed?
[21:02] <K4k> what for?
[21:03] <h3sp4wn> Maybe xrandr 1.2 support completed properly
[21:03] <h3sp4wn> Another few months it could be alot more polished
[21:04] <K4k> you think they will make it an "official" release beta next month instead maybe?
[21:04] <K4k> and then just patch it later on?
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> I don't know what they think
[21:04] <K4k> lol
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> I know if you want to compete with RHEL / SLES
[21:04] <K4k> you don't speculate on the happenings at conical? lol
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> you will have to do better
[21:04] <h3sp4wn> s/you/they
[21:05] <K4k> I've sort of noticed that throughout the different distributions though
[21:05] <K4k> I've always had better stability with Fedora/RHEL then with ubuntu
[21:06] <K4k> s/distributions/releases
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> fedora is 8 month release cycle
[21:06] <h3sp4wn> RHEL 3 is still supported
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> Then there is IRIX and Solaris 8 - that are getting reviewed in 2012 to see if support is continued
[21:07] <h3sp4wn> depends what you need - but people don't like loads of updates just after the release
[21:09] <tgelter> h3sp4wn: I like lots of updates...I'm kind of addicted to updating, it's a strange thing
[21:09] <tgelter> I get all kinds of excited about them
[21:09] <tgelter> :)
[21:10] <annalaven_> me too
[21:10] <tgelter> good to see I'm not the only one
[21:13] <h3sp4wn> tgelter: Not on stable
[21:14] <h3sp4wn> For me it wasn't stable in the first place if it needs loads of updates so shouldn't have released
[21:14] <bardyr> tgelter, i have the same sickness ;D
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> just always run +1 then
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> or sid
[21:15] <h3sp4wn> (with sid you have it freezing even less)
[21:16] <bardyr> the problem is that i like running patented stuff too
[21:17] <h3sp4wn> I run Matlab / Mathematica
[21:17] <h3sp4wn> and some of the Cadence suite
[21:17] <h3sp4wn> never really had a problem all that stuff is in /opt
[21:18] <h3sp4wn> (with firefox and java)
[21:19] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: What patented stuff ?
[21:20] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, proper font rendering, mp3, etc
[21:20] <pen> hi
[21:20] <pen> I have finish my update today
[21:20] <pen> but the new kernel can't install my nvidia driver
[21:20] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: Debian has all that with debian-multimedia
[21:20] <pen> I go to hardware driver and see no nvidaia
[21:20] <pen> nvidi
[21:20] <pen> a
[21:20] <tgelter> h3sp4wn: yeah, I tend to run the unstable...I'm still an alpha/beta battler...
[21:20] <h3sp4wn> (Most of the ubuntu packages are based on those)
[21:20] <h3sp4wn> mplayer etc
[21:20] <pen> why I can't enable nvidia driver in this new kernel?
[21:21] <bardyr> pen, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-(new)
[21:21] <O01> to create a snapshot you would do lvcreate -L 70GB --snapshot --name  snap_shot /dev/Logical_Volume_Name/ correcet ? ( using LVM )
[21:21] <pen> it's already at the newest version
[21:21] <pen> ??
[21:21] <pen> why
[21:22] <pen> it's already installed
[21:22] <pen> I can't enable compiz and have a low resolution
[21:22] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: The XiG xserver is the only non-free thing that is a bitch to keep working for me
[21:23] <pen> how to reinstall the driver?
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> If the package is installed thats not the problem
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> if you do ``sudo init 1''
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> then you should get a dialog box asking you if you want to reconfigure X
[21:24] <h3sp4wn> try that
[21:25] <bardyr> h3sp4wn, oh btw how do i trigger a fsck on boot?
[21:25] <pen> well
[21:25] <h3sp4wn> touch /forcefsck
[21:25] <pen> that fix the resolution but not the driver
[21:25] <bardyr> i want to see the fancy new fsck thingy
[21:25] <pen> I still can't enable compiz
[21:25] <pen> it's not on
[21:26] <h3sp4wn> or on the root of whatever partition
[21:26] <pen> and the list in hardware driver is still empty
[21:27] <h3sp4wn> bardyr: That stuff was in man shutdown - but I think with upstart it got removed (still works though afaik)
[21:27] <pen> how can I solve this?
[21:28] <h3sp4wn> Dunno this is the danger of bullet proof X I guess
[21:28] <h3sp4wn> usually you could just rebuild the nvidia kernel module
[21:28] <pen> how?
[21:29] <pen> how to rebuild the module?
[21:30] <h3sp4wn> Dunno without really screwing around with stuff I couldn't recommend it
[21:30] <Dekkard> Ive viewed the topic, and i just want to know.. is it best to wait, I run an old system with a p111 coppermine, so till now everything, and I mean everything has been fine.
[21:31] <Dekkard> coo
[21:31] <h3sp4wn> Dekkard: Well just because something something once was fine doesn't mean it always will be so
[21:32] <Dekkard> i'll check jorge's blog, see if he sez anything
[21:32] <Dekkard> gotcha h3sp4wn
[21:32] <h3sp4wn> (e.g ralink wireless was great with breezy and then useless for a long time)
[21:32] <Dekkard> yeah..
[21:32] <Dekkard>  this is on a desktop
[21:32] <h3sp4wn> Now it should be ok
[21:32] <Dekkard> so wireless.. isnt a concern
[21:32] <Dekkard> i mean.. it cant be as bad as kde4
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> If you installed kde4 from kubuntu.org then try to upgrade all sorts could happen
[21:35] <lime4x4> anyone here lose gnome desktop today?
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> It might not but that isn't a tested path afaik
[21:39] <Dekkard> i uninstalled kde4.. its ..its just not ready for the show
[21:44] <kumarphilly> hello
[21:44] <kumarphilly> does anyone else have the problem where x crashes and reset
[21:45] <cyphase> does anyone know why, if i delete everything in my home directory from a VT then login through gdm, it says tomboy has crashed? why is it even starting?
[21:47] <DanaG> Why do you delete your home dir?
[21:49] <cyphase> i'm running hardy in a vm
[21:49] <cyphase> and i don't have any personal data on it
[21:50] <cyphase> so i just deleted everything to see if anything would be different with the new packages
[21:54] <ethana2> i don't see ff3b4 in update-manager...
[21:54] <ethana2> i'm going to tell it to check again
[21:54] <bardyr> someone is impatient
[21:56] <Salton> latest update broke my system.. uninstalled ubuntu-desktop and a whole bunch of gnome packages.. now they won't reinstall :(
[21:57] <ethana2> bardyr: yeah ^_^
[21:57] <ethana2> Salton: you uninstalled ubuntu-desktop?
[21:58] <ethana2> Do you have kde installed?
[21:58] <ethana2> xfce perhaps?
[21:58] <Skiessi> is firefox 3.0 beta 4 coming to repositories today?
[21:59] <Skiessi> or tonight
[21:59] <ethana2> Skiessi: I'm checking mine
[22:01] <ethana2> gahh, my mom's probably on youtube...
[22:01] <ethana2> (this is taking forever)
[22:03] <ethana2> ...i can be a little OCD with my updates, so I made a rule for myself
[22:03] <james_w> Is anyone else seeing larger/different fonts since a recent upgrade?
[22:03] <ethana2> if i'm within 6 hours of up-to-date I don't update
[22:04] <ethana2> james_w: not yet
[22:05] <h3sp4wn> james_w: xdpyinfo| grep res | head -1
[22:05] <h3sp4wn> (If its 96x96 its possible it shouldn't be)
[22:05] <h3sp4wn> and wasn't before
[22:06] <phixxor> sup, I see from the topic that sound is fixed, yes?
[22:06] <h3sp4wn> yes
[22:06] <james_w> h3sp4wn: resolution:    98x98 dots per inch
[22:07] <Skiessi> hardy is going to be a LTS release?
[22:07] <bardyr> yes
[22:07] <phixxor> awesome! I was delaying upgrading from hardy alpha 6 until that was fixed
[22:12] <ethana2> nope
[22:12] <ethana2> ff3b4 is not in repos now
[22:13] <bardyr> ethana2, subscribe on the announce-changes mailling list, then you know the exact second ff3b4 is uploaded
[22:13] <zenog> my iPod nano 3rd generation is not properly recognized on hardy (it was on gutsy), is this likely a HAL problem?
[22:18] <zenog> I just want to know because I do not want to flood the BTS with a useless or wrongly assigned bug report ;-)
[22:25] <lsmobrian> can somebody try something for me: sudo su, then exit as root, then sudo su again, then type anything... when i do this, any key i press automatically will exit sudo
[22:26] <DanaG> works fine for me; doesn't exit.
[22:27] <lsmobrian> hrmm.. wonder what i did..
[22:47] <spiderfire> hello
[22:48] <ethana2> spiderfire: hai
[22:48] <spiderfire> any big kernel issues?
[22:48] <ethana2> right now i don't think so
[22:48] <StiveG> Hi all, can someone tell me which script (java, flash..) uses howtoforge.com? Don't know why but my firefox 3.0b3 crash (close) when I try to access that site...
[22:49] <ethana2> hmm
[22:49] <ethana2> 3b4 is out
[22:49] <lsmobrian> there is a png on the site that crashes gecko
[22:49] <ethana2> ..it just doesn't seem to be in ubuntu repos yet
[22:49] <StiveG> ok
[22:49] <lsmobrian> opera works fine if u need to goto howtoforge
[22:50] <ethana2> my mom says ff crashed like 30 times on her today
[22:50] <StiveG> had the same problem on other sites also.. can't remember witch ones tho...
[22:50] <StiveG> always the same sites..
[22:51] <StiveG> this site uses java?
[22:51] <thompa> does anyone know how to remove acer_acpi?
[22:53] <thompa> I cant compile the madwifi driver anymore its 386. I already know 64 wont work on atheros 5700
[22:53] <ethana2> sudo rmmod acer_acpi
[22:53] <ethana2> ?
[22:53] <thompa> ethana2: thanks i tried that
[22:53] <ethana2> oh
[22:53] <thompa> modprobe no longer works
[22:54] <thompa> its an acer 5520 which only works with acer_acpi patch, but kernel 2.6.24 it is backported I think
[22:55] <ethana2> heh.  rm / -r
[22:55] <thompa> but that is what actually breaks it
[22:55] <ethana2> (do not do that)
[22:55] <ethana2> ...but i think you may just need to wait for updates or reinstall or both
[22:55] <thompa> 2.6.23 works I got an error in make file
[22:55] <thompa> ethana2: i agree
[22:56] <thompa> ethana2: im wondering though because restricted drivers has it enabled and detected atheros
[22:57] <ethana2> actually
[22:57] <thompa> i have to go back to old kernel maybe
[22:57] <ethana2> atheros i think... ath5K/
[22:57] <ethana2> i think there's some code churn and license stuff going on there
[22:57] <thompa>  the one i heard needs blacklisting
[22:57] <ethana2> i think that driver may actually be open or soemthing...
[22:58] <thompa> ethana2: i cant install it anymore madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz
[22:58] <thompa> so thats my problem
[22:59] <ethana2> thompa: i'm not really leet enough to know what to do about that, specifically
[22:59] <thompa> ethana2: acer_acpi somehow breaks the wifi in the kernel
[23:00] <thompa> i guess i need to remove aht5k and there are some others
[23:00] <thompa> *the other one
[23:16] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[23:19] <contrast> I just got Hardy installed so I can check out KDE 4, and when trying to install kde4-core, it threatens to remove kdebase-bin-kde3. Any idea if/when this will be fixed?
[23:21] <lsmobrian> does it not then install kdebase-bin-kde4
[23:22] <contrast> lsmobrian: I imagine it would, but aren't you supposed to be able to have KDE4 installed alongside KDE3?
[23:24] <Flannel> contrast: Try #kubuntu (or #kubuntu-kde4, if #kubuntu redirects you)
[23:25] <contrast> Flannel: Thanks... I think I figured it out-- should've read the description of the package to be removed. I'll confirm in there.
[23:29] <timing> the default SCIM key shortcuts should change
[23:30] <timing> shift+space is a very common keycombo while typing very fast and hitting shift during the creation of the uppercase char in the next word :-)
[23:30] <DanaG> Oh hey, I figured out a bit of a fix for my hard drive thingy: undo all my powersaving tweaks, but leave laptop-mode-TOOLS enabled but laptop_mode_on_battery disabled.
[23:30] <timing> i asked in #scim as well
[23:30] <timing> wonder where this default is set
[23:30] <DanaG> Ctrl-shift sucks, too.
[23:31] <aliguori> +1
[23:31] <aliguori> that's the main reason i disabled scim
[23:31] <timing> yeah
[23:31] <timing> i did everything
[23:31] <DanaG> But the "Latex" table is cool.
[23:32] <timing> removed all the keycombo's
[23:32] <timing> how do i really disable scim?
[23:32] <timing> it still comes up
[23:34] <timing> I mean, the keyboard icon is still in the notification area
[23:34] <timing> right mouse exit restarts the thing
[23:35] <aliguori> timing, i just removed the package
[23:35] <timing> ah okay :-)
[23:36] <aliguori> that was my experience too.  it seemed to be impossible to disable
[23:37] <timing> it feels like the windows thing
[23:37] <timing> when it decieds you are typing a dutch language
[23:37] <mooboo1> wow, i love the repostirory activity today and yesterday
[23:37] <timing> so it changes your keyboard LAYOUT per window
[23:37] <mooboo1> i've got TONS of updates! :D
[23:38] <purepwnage> I'm having trouble with ssh. Linux server, windows client (putty). I have access to both physically at the moment. When I try to connect, putty gives me an error saying "Network error: Software caused connection abort." Does anybody have any idea what is wrong?
[23:38] <slipttees> thx
[23:38] <slipttees> Adys: hello
[23:39] <timing> purepwnage: can you ping the linux host from windows?
[23:39] <Adys> Heya
[23:39] <purepwnage> timing: yes, and I get >1 ms
[23:39] <purepwnage> err, <1
[23:39] <timing> k
[23:39] <timing> yeha :-)
[23:39] <DanaG> Another handy thing to do with scim: all windows use same method.
[23:39] <timing> purepwnage: can you ssh to localhost from the linux machine?
[23:40] <slipttees> Adys: my problem with static Ip
[23:40] <slipttees> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=165717
[23:40] <purepwnage> timing: no, I only get the error "Software caused connection abort"
[23:40] <timing> purepwnage: i mean from the linux machine
[23:40] <timing> i don't hing the commandline client on linux gives that message?
[23:41] <timing> *think
[23:41] <Adys> slipttees:  ill check it out asap
[23:41] <slipttees> Adys: no problem ;-)
[23:41] <purepwnage> timing: where would I find it? ctrl-alt-f1?
[23:41] <slipttees> Adys: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/78493
[23:41] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 78493 in gnome-system-tools "setting static IP with network-admin makes GNOME startup slow" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[23:41] <slipttees> :D
[23:41] <timing> purepwnage: open a terminal
[23:42] <purepwnage> timing: ok
[23:42] <timing> purepwnage: type: ssh localhost
[23:42] <timing> then log in with the same credentials as you try via putty
[23:43] <purepwnage> ader10@ubuntu:~$ ssh localhost -p 43210
[23:43] <purepwnage> Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
[23:43] <timing> that's the port you run the ssh server on?
[23:43] <timing> weird
[23:43] <purepwnage> yes
[23:43] <timing> sure it's not just 22 ?
[23:43] <purepwnage> port 22 is blocked in most of the places I need ssh
[23:43] <timing> well we can conclude that it's not a problem between the both machines
[23:43] <purepwnage> such as school or library
[23:43] <timing> yeah
[23:43] <timing> stupid
[23:44] <timing> your server isn't running like you want it too
[23:44] <timing> *to
[23:44] <purepwnage> would it help if you saw the sshd_config?
[23:44] <timing> can you check if it might be running on 22 ?
[23:44] <timing> no i don't have so much knowlegde about ssh
[23:44] <timing> i'm just helping you with the things you should try to find out where the problem is
[23:45] <purepwnage> :)
[23:45] <timing> it's not a broken cable at least
[23:45] <timing> purepwnage: but ssh localhost ?
[23:45] <timing> without the port?
[23:45] <purepwnage> ader10@ubuntu:~$ ssh localhost
[23:45] <purepwnage> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[23:45] <timing> hmm different error
[23:46] <timing> dunno what those errors mean
[23:46] <timing> purepwnage: hey dude i have to sleep now, tiredness!
[23:46] <purepwnage> timing: Thank you for helping me diagnose the problem!
[23:46] <timing> :P
[23:46] <timing> bye
[23:46] <ike_x> you could use netstat to diagnose if its running and binded to the right port\adapter
[23:49] <mooboo1> am i right that kernel -12 is much better than -11 ?
[23:59] <lunks> What is required to see encrypted DVDs on Hardy?