[07:16] <mdke> moin
[07:19] <kgoetz> ello
[07:19] <kgoetz> catch you in a few hours - i'm leaving work
[07:54] <mdke> sommer: nice work on the serverguide, it's becoming a monster
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> there are times i *hate* docbook :| i removed stuff and it broke :(
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> seems to work ish still, so np
[11:49] <Odd-rationale> I have a quick question. What is the difference between help.ubuntu.com/community , wiki.ubuntu.com ,  and doc.ubuntu.com ? Thanks!
[11:51] <Gabz> the name...
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> aiui, doc is 'offical', help is WIP, and wiki is free for all
[11:52] <Odd-rationale> So documentation moves from wiki -> help -> doc ?
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> doc.u.c/community is wiki pages that are mostly stable too
[11:54] <Odd-rationale> help.ubuntu.com seems to be the most "official" while doc.ubuntu.com has a bunch of broken links...
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> perhaps i have my sub domains mixed up
[11:56] <Odd-rationale> Which would be the best place to start getting involved? The wiki, i assume?
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser>  topic has https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam , which is a useful link
[11:58] <Odd-rationale> ok thanks, Kamping_Kaiser.
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> Odd-rationale, hope its helping
[12:22] <ryanakca> A comment on the bug suggests forwarding it to Ubuntu-bugs? bug 135263
[12:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135263 in gnome-app-install "idea: table of replacements of Windows software in Linux in the pack manager" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135263
[12:22] <ryanakca> ... but I think it has already been done :)
[12:23] <ryanakca> If so, can you close the bug please?
[12:27] <sommer> mdke: thanks, I was thinking that it was starting to get pretty long too... and there's still a some updates and maybe a new section :-)
[13:18] <frank_> Odd-rationale: help.ubuntu.com is user documentation, wiki has a lot of other ubuntu-related things
[20:05] <ubotu> New bug: #201131 in ubuntu-doc "Documentation for gnome-control-center does not mention PolicyKit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201131
[21:49] <ubotu> New bug: #201199 in ubuntu-doc "Suggest to use aptitude instead of apt-get" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201199
[22:02] <ubotu> New bug: #201200 in ubuntu-doc "Document a method to receive notifications about new packages available (in the server)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201200
[22:22] <mdke> sommer: I'm slightly worried about more sections being added - there is not much time allowed left for review of the new material and translation
[22:24] <sommer> mdke: the only new section would be one on the bacula backup application
[22:25] <sommer> and updates :-)
[22:26] <sommer> I did ask for an extension on the new sections, back before FF
[22:27] <mdke> yes, I remember
[22:27] <sommer> bacula is actually a topic of tomorrow's meeting, ivoks is/was working on getting it into main for hardy, but he's been sick for a while and it may not make it
[22:27] <mdke> but I'm just a bit worried
[22:27] <mdke> when do you expect the new sections?
[22:27] <sommer> I should be able to have the section in by the weekend
[22:28] <sommer> the thought is that only covering simple shell scripts for backups isn't very "enterprise like"
[22:29] <mdke> that's true. it depends on what tools are available
[22:29] <sommer> I guess my concern is that if bacula does make it into main, and that makes it a new "feature" of hardy it'll be marketed but not documented
[22:30] <sommer> trying to not have documentation a minus with regards to ubuntu server... basically because that one "journalist" gave a somewhat bad review of gutsy
[22:31] <mdke> that's the problem with such massively late feature freeze exceptions
[22:31] <sommer> you can't please everyone so, it's not a huge deal either way... plus the bacula site has quite good docs
[22:31] <sommer> totally, and having the main dev out for so long has jammed things up pretty good
[22:31] <mdke> we can certainly do our best to get them in
[22:32] <sommer> here's a rough draft of what I was thinking about: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Bacula
[22:34] <mdke> that's cool
[22:34] <mdke> I guess just try and find out asap whether the feature is going to be in hardy or not
[22:35] <sommer> sure, should know tomorrow around 17:00 or 18:00 utc
[22:36] <mdke> good news
[22:42] <mdke> sommer: what sort of progress did you make in relation to that issue about broken ulinks in the help website?
[22:42] <mdke> I was thinking of starting to get ready a similar system to the one we used last release, with sed
[22:43] <mdke> except build it into the Makefile rather than do it as a manual script
[22:44] <sommer> mdke: ya, I haven't had time to look at it for a while
[22:45] <sommer> basically my idea was for the python script to get the easy #doc#section ones, then prompt for the harder ones
[22:45] <mdke> that's a nice idea
[22:45] <sommer> should make it more copy and paste anyway
[22:45] <mdke> although it will make it difficult to use it for auto builds like doc.ubuntu.com
[22:45] <mdke> or if an auto build is required for a particular package
[22:45] <sommer> ya, didn't really take that into account at the time :-)
[22:46] <mdke> but is it safe to say this would be a goal for hardy+1 rather than hardy?
[22:46] <sommer> what's the time table for that part?
[22:46] <mdke> I'm not really sure
[22:47] <mdke> I think I'll just start using the old version and then we can see how your work goes
[22:47] <sommer> my plan was to kuckle down and work on that after SF, hopefully having something by the release date
[22:47] <sommer> ya, that's probably a good plan
[22:47] <mdke> cool, thanks again for working on that
[22:48] <sommer> sure, nop
[22:48] <sommer> np, even