[10:49] TheMuso thanks will look into that [10:49] basically current initrd ignores ro/rw flag whenever root is on ntfs and always mount rw [10:50] that was because 1. ntfs-3g could not be remounted (then it could be remounted, then again it could not) 2. there is not fsck [10:51] for fat I assume it gets mounted r/o and mounthost fails (at the moment there is a bug in that I was using awk which might not available at that point) [10:56] I have in a note that the relevant initramfs code is: [10:56] if [ ${readonly} = y ] && ([ -z "$LOOP" ] || [ "${FSTYPE#ntfs}" = "$FSTYPE" ]); then roflag=-r [11:03] here is a revised (untested) /etc/init.d/mounthost (lupin-support package): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59231/ [11:05] if mounthost above does not fix it, then it might be necessary to remove "|| [ "${FSTYPE#ntfs}" = "$FSTYPE" ]" from initramfs-tools/scripts/local [11:22] by the way selecting more than 4GB in fvat should simply split root into multiple <4GB files (/ubuntu/disks/root.disk /ubuntu/disks/usr.disk /ubuntu/disks/home.disk...) [11:37] mounthost take-2http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59234/ [11:45] xivulon: Yes I saw that, I eventually saw that the disk size was not the issue. [11:52] TheMuso, I would assume that installation goes fine but you cannot reboot into the installed system [11:52] in case try to replace /etc/init.d/mounthost with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59234/ [11:53] if that fails, second thing to try is to edit initramfs-tools/scripts/local removing check on ntfs [11:53] and regenerate initrd [12:43] What is the difference between console-keymaps-at/keymap and console-setup/layoutcode? [12:45] On the same subject, is it necessary to preseed console-setup/modelcode? === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [13:42] xivulon: console-keymaps-at/keymap is obsolete; don't preseed it. You are unlikely to need to preseed console-setup/modelcode. [13:43] cjwatson can you pls expand on "unlikely" [13:44] "not unless you have extremely unusual requirements and know what you're doing" [13:44] just leave it at the default [13:47] default meaning "do not preseed". Only thing I want avoid is an interactive question. [13:50] it won't be asked on any platform you support [13:51] it's asked on m68k Sun, powerpc CHRP, sparc, and anything unrecognised [13:51] great [13:51] cjwatson: You moved bug 200423 from casper to ubiquity, but I'm not sure I agree. Wouldn't it be best to do any sufficient memory checks in casper, where we don't have to worry about having enough memory to load X and ubiquity initially? [13:51] Or perhaps you had a different solution in mind? [13:51] last q on preseed, a user long ago suggested to set clock-setup/utc to false as being more appropriate for windows setup [13:52] evand: feel free to move it back if you prefer that; I was just thinking that casper is not in a position to make ubiquity crash differently [13:52] clock-setup/utc will already be set to false if os-prober detects Windows [13:52] so assuming that it *does* detect Windows in the wubi environment (is that true?0 [13:52] ) [13:53] if that's not the case, yes, preseed it [13:53] do you suggest me to skip preseeding then or preseed it myself to false? [13:53] I guess I'll preseed then [13:53] Launchpad bug 200423 in casper "The installer CD doesn't warn the user that they dont have enough RAM to continue." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200423 [13:54] you're a few minutes too late ubotu. [13:54] evand see ^^ for mounthost fix, I have not tested it, can do so tonight and merge it in [13:54] fell free to beat me to it ;) [13:55] feel [13:55] that should address bug #198007 [13:55] Launchpad bug 198007 in lupin "Don't use awk in early mounthost" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198007 [13:56] well done ubotu... [13:56] heh, great [13:59] ah I see cjwatson already addressed 191122! [13:59] hi! am looking into translating the ubuntu installer (what's the package that runs as soon as the CD boots up). [14:00] sorry for the set-x I discussed with evand and decided to leave them for the alphas [14:00] umenu/wubi [14:00] simonsx https://translations.launchpad.net/wubi/ and https://translations.launchpad.net/umenu [14:00] note that you need to be a member of Ubuntu Translators group [14:01] xivulon: many thanks. am member of the group. [14:01] your contributions are most welcome [14:17] xivulon: I translated umenu but did not find the message: [14:17] "Press F4 to select alternative start-up and installation modes" [14:17] and "Test memory" [14:17] wubi is the tool that starts in Windows, isn't it? [14:19] simosx: those are in the gfxboot-theme-ubuntu package in Ubuntu [14:19] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu [14:19] simosx: you should also look at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/debian-installer [14:19] xivulon: not everyone uses Windows ;-) [14:21] cjwatson: thanks. I always try to append the package name to the URL https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu and it comes up negative. [14:22] that's for projects, not for packages in Ubuntu [14:22] two different namespaces [14:25] oh, I'll have to check more stuff again. [14:26] the UI in Ubuntu is almost all translated with the exception of a few messages. I am trying to figure out what package they come from and it's a tough process. [14:27] is there an irc channel where translators are around? or some input for this? [14:27] ah yes I misread simosx original msg, anyway wubi/umenu translations would be quite handy... [14:28] #ubuntu-translators [14:29] xivulon: that's good. [14:34] simosx: if they're installer strings, you're welcome to ask here [14:55] How can I regenerate the /etc/fstab that d-i generates during installation? [14:59] jstrunk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ago/partman-auto-loop/lupin-support/annotate/ago%40nbago-20080114235447-9rmsbro57lb2zsru?file_id=autopartitionloop-20070730115247-m21lgboyh63uf6mv-2 [14:59] see line 121-133 [15:00] huh? that is not helpful [15:00] NOT EVERYBODY USES WUBI :-) [15:01] (that code does not work outside d-i) [15:01] jstrunk: there isn't really a way to do so outside the context of the installer, I'm afraid [15:02] not sure jstrunk is outside d-i, in case I guess it might be possible to replicate /lib/partaman/fstab.d and run those scripts as indicated above [15:03] I am thinking about using systemimager to clone a system to about 200 workstations. [15:03] xivulon: please find this sort of information out before confusing people [15:04] replicating /lib/partman/fstab.d will not help outside d-i; parted_server won't be running and the amount of infrastructure you need to do that is enormous [15:04] It looks like the only things that change on disk with different hardware are Xorg, /etc/blkid.tab, and /etc/fstab [15:04] jstrunk: I'd suggest just writing it by hand, with the obvious boilerplate as constructed by d-i [15:04] ("by hand" => in code obviously) [15:05] we don't have a canned way to regenerate it in your type of environment [15:06] Thank you. [15:06] sorry that the answer isn't better, but really systemimager is going to need to supply identifiers for the partitions it's installing onto [15:07] well apologies for any confusion, was simply pointing out to a code section I am familiar with that actually generates fstab (in d-i) [15:07] it can handle that, but I don't think it will handle the cdrom and floppy drives correctly. [15:08] I guess I could probe those and append them to what systemimager gives me. [15:09] yeah, I can see how it would be nice to reuse d-i's code for that [15:11] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-target/ubuntu/annotate/cjwatson@canonical.com-20080306221605-6cuu03xjs8zh4g3d?file_id=x_Arch_Librarian_ is the file in question (partman-target/finish.d/fstab_removable_media_entries), but you'd have to extract list-devices from debian-installer-utils as well, and remove the use of mapdevfs [15:11] and generally munge it about [15:14] Thank you for finding this for me. [15:51] ubiquity: evand * r2560 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/zoommap.py): [15:51] ubiquity: * Use a black border around tzmap points to assist the visually impaired. [15:51] ubiquity: * Flash the currently selected location on the tzmap so that it's easier to [15:51] ubiquity: spot. [15:51] ubiquity: * When clicking on the tzmap, if the closest match is already selected, take [15:51] ubiquity: the next closest. [16:22] ubiquity: evand * r2561 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog gui/glade/stepLocation.glade): [16:22] ubiquity: * Place the tzmap in an AspectFrame so it doesn't look distorted on [16:22] ubiquity: widescreen displays (LP: #200152). [16:45] partman-target: evand * r712 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/clear_partitions): * Whitelist /usr/local in clear_partitions (LP: #200582). [17:13] evand: sorry to be a pain, but /var/local too? [17:13] (it's in the FHS I believe) [17:13] ah, I did a quick search through the FHS docs and didn't come across that one. Will do. [17:14] evand, did you get a chance to talk to cjwatson about adding a preseed option for not setting the active partition on boot? [17:14] oh, thanks for reminding me [17:14] I have an interview to conduct now, but briefly, sounds like a good idea; would need to be done in both grub-installer and lilo-installer, I expect [17:15] ok, I'll take care of putting it in then. [17:15] thanks [17:17] ah, it is indeed in the FHS [17:22] partman-target: evand * r713 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/clear_partitions): * Whitelist /var/local in clear_partitions. [18:35] evand, it looks like oem-config didn't get installed in the noninteractive install [18:43] mario_limonciell: ok, on it [18:44] thanks [19:22] evand, have asked bean123 (grub4dos author) to have a look at truncation + other bug that came up today http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=720618 [19:22] hopefully new code will be available shortly [19:22] ah, nice. Thanks [19:28] TheMuso did you have a chance to test if mounthost code solves your vfat issues? [20:45] grub-installer: evand * r729 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [20:45] grub-installer: * Added the grub-installer/make_active debconf question. When [20:45] grub-installer: preseeded false, this will skip the code that marks a partition as [20:45] grub-installer: bootable. [20:58] lilo on the way [20:59] evand, will that be testable in tomorrow's daily? [20:59] er when were you planning another ubiquity upload? [21:02] mario_limonciell: if I can I'll do a ubiquity upload tonight. I might have to run some tzmap changes by slangasek though. [21:02] okay sounds sane [21:02] but that should be straightforward [21:02] well most ideally would like to see noninteractive fixed at the same time [21:02] to test both sequentially [21:02] so if it takes another day or so to sort that out first, that's more preferential [21:05] xivulon: Not yet, I had to go to bed. I'll have a look today, unless its been resolved. [21:05] glancing through the differences in gtk_ui and noninteractive, there are a variety of things that are done only in gtk_ui in the self.oem_config block [21:07] cjwatson, I was not able to translate the "Normal" menu option that opens from gfxboot-theme-ubuntu F4 menu. Is this string unstranslatable? [21:24] is there a way to strip -updates from /target/etc/apt/sources.list from the preseed file? [21:24] I know there's something like this for stripping restricted: d-i apt-setup/restricted boolean false [21:24] I just can't find anything about updates [21:25] worst case, I can always do it in the late-command [21:46] evand: Alright, with beta approaching, is there anything I can do to try and get a11y working in only-ubiquity? [22:09] also, might there be a way to strip deb-src lines in sources.list from the preseed file? [22:29] hello [22:30] i am having problem installing ubuntu on my laptop === ebel_ is now known as ebel [22:44] alefteris: err, yeah, oops, please file a bug [22:44] ok [22:51] evand lupin rev 91 is up === mario_limonciell is now known as superm1_ [23:02] TheMuso, updated mounthost code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/lupin/hardy/annotate/agostino.russo%40gmail.com-20080311225057-2kq30onjg2p4wsqe?file_id=lupinsupport.mountho-20071025014343-c5dddjlu6r8jume9-1 [23:03] umenu rev 21 [23:04] * ago needs CIA... [23:05] ago: Pulling the branch now. [23:08] ago: When I get the desktop cd synced, I' [23:08] ago: When I get the desktop cd synced, I' [23:08] gah [23:08] I'll make a custom desktop image and test it to see if it helps. [23:10] TheMuso, if you have already a loopinstallation, you can simply replace /etc/init.d/mounthost [23:10] and see if you can boot with that [23:11] do you recommend preseeding netcfg/dhcp_timeout? [23:11] ago: Right, just got to get into the install first, but that shouldn't be too difficult. [23:11] * TheMuso boots the box. [23:12] I can't answer that one I'm sorry. [23:12] TheMuso there is no need to do a custom image anyway, install with an old ISO then mount root.disk and replace mounthost [23:12] ago: I know, but I was thinking of some other stuff I wanted to do, but that can wait. [23:13] was just about to write that... [23:58] evand, what would you suggest re #201046?