[00:01] well i'm not using the latest kernel, just the gutsy 7.10 generic one [00:01] and i'm trying to update my dvb cards driver [00:02] in hopes to solve some issues i'm having with it [00:03] <_MMA_> rico42955: Thats a support issue. #ubuntu, #ubuntuforums and the forums themselves are the best places. [00:04] understood thanks [02:17] how can I get ndiswrapper kernel module to automatically load on boot? [02:19] <_MMA_> Nilbus: Add "ndiswrapper" to /etc/modules. [02:19] <_MMA_> (without the "") [02:19] _MMA_, thanks === lamont` is now known as lamont__ === lamont` is now known as lamont === doko_ is now known as doko [08:25] moin === Traxer is now known as Traxer|on === Traxer|on is now known as Traxer === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:36] Is there a Ubuntu Bug Control Team member here? [10:07] tjaalton: AMD changed the version of the fglrx driver into 8-3 (instead of 8-03). How will you deal with this issue? (so that 8-3 is not overwritten by 8-02) [10:08] tseliot: no problem there, 8-3 > 8-02 [10:10] tjaalton: I asked since a user complained about the fact that the package made by EnvyNG was overwritten by Ubuntu's 8-02 [10:10] read here: [10:10] http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=164#comment-3833 [10:11] tseliot: hm ok, I'll check it out later today [10:11] tjaalton: ok, thanks [10:16] ogasawara, bdmurray : Are you around? [10:59] hello [10:59] can you give me a quick answer on this: is there a preemtive kernel in the gutsy repository? [11:04] thomax: What level of preemption? NONE, VOLUNTARY, DESKTOP or RT [11:09] * thomax sighs [11:19] :-? === \sh is now known as \sh_away [12:14] Is there a Ubuntu Bug Control Team member here? :-( [12:32] abogani: what do you need? [12:32] amitk: Set bug #177634 to "Won't Fix" and comment this with "As reported here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-March/002201.html We are in Kernel Freeze and we can't add necessary modules.", please. [12:33] amitk: Thanks! [12:34] * abogani like to became part of that Team... [12:34] abogani: just join it [12:35] I'm sure no-one objects ;) [12:35] could somebody update aufs? i still have some strange effects with it in some cases, like when i use qemu [12:36] abogani: you might want to check on #ubuntu-bugs but yeah just join it [12:36] abogani: done [12:36] amitk: Thanks! [12:36] zul, tjaalton: Ok! Thanks! [12:37] Kano: I read from the archives that someone from the community is going to report his finding with upstream aufs. If the findings are positive, we will upgrade aufs. [12:38] is there interest in a new webcam module for lum? [12:39] ov51x-jpeg [12:43] Kano: from the website for the driver: "To be clear, JPEG decompression should be considered 'evil' inside the kernel, and the normal way is to handle it in userland, so the original author was right doing what he did." [12:43] well it is available as debian source package, maybe put at least that in u [12:43] the latest version [12:47] Kano: this one: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ov51x-jpeg-source ? [12:48] well pretty much outdated, 1.5.6 is required for 2.6.24 [12:49] Kano: ok. Make a request on #ubuntu-devel to grant a freeze exception. There is not much we can do about it. [12:49] or just add it to lum [12:51] Kano: that is unlikely to happen, given the warnings on the project's webpage and our freeze status [12:52] its even in debian extra modules [12:52] We're a little late in the game to include new modules [12:53] kernel freeze is in affect === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:56] did you disable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX? that config option is really bad [12:56] you have a much better pata driver already [12:56] pata_amd works for same ids, it would be stupid to blacklist it only because if you add a blacklist and run update-initramfs -uk old-kernel [12:57] then a 2.6.22 kernel is not bootable === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:58] not fully sure about via, but this module is really annoying [13:00] best would be of course a modified initramfs-tools package which allows to write a custom-blacklist before the integrated udev is started [13:01] Launchpad bug 177634 in linux "squashfs kernel module does not support lzma" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177634 [13:01] Kano: debian initramfs-tools has a blacklist boot param [13:01] isn't yet propagated after init but helps in race cases [13:01] must be new [13:02] no [13:02] 0.87 - Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:21:30 +0200 [13:03] hmm not in etch then... [13:03] sure things move on after etch [13:03] you are real annoying Kano [13:04] and also not in ubuntu! [13:04] that is their fault [13:04] sure [13:04] will check that newer sid initramfs [13:05] thanks to cjwatson_ klibc is uptodate [13:05] fine,but initramfs is ol [13:05] d [13:06] yep lazy kernel team getting paid for nothing :D [13:07] i guess i just patch the blacklist to the older version... [13:07] it's basicaly just an appropriate hook that modprobe blacklist [13:07] inside of initramfs [13:07] see commit 878b47192bc92fcfe78f34134a8aea70afc161f5 Kano [13:07] but i never found a hook that was executed always before udev.. [13:08] maks_: is there a webgit? [13:08] git.d.o [13:10] bootparam is blacklist=module1,module2,module3 and so on.. [13:11] funny for kanotix i added exactly the same blacklist parameter [13:12] for the old way without initramfs [13:13] i just use custom-blacklist not initramfs ;) [13:13] with a shortcut nousb2 for the ehci_hcd module === lamont` is now known as lamont [13:16] are you sure that this hook is always before udev? [13:17] I installed a custom kernel, and the update manager constantly tells me there is a kernel update. How can I add that to a list of exclusions? [13:21] blacklist it? [13:21] err put it on hold, the linux meta package === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [13:41] Nilbus: is your kernel the same package name as the ubuntu one? [13:42] BenC, yes, the latest ubuntu kernel [13:42] Nilbus: first off, we don't suggest doing this simply because you miss out on automatic security updates, but I suspect you would rather name your custom kernel a different flavor (IOW, not -generic) [13:43] oh.. [13:43] sorry, I thought you were talking about something different [13:43] but the answer is still yes.. I built the ubuntu sources so that I could use CONFIG_PM_TRACE [13:44] maks_: why is the blacklist not copied to rootfs?? [13:45] Nilbus: Then that sounds like you only want that temporarily...so maybe just ignore update-manager for awhile? [13:46] BenC, I put a hold linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic. Since that includes the version, won't the updates with a different version number come thorough? [13:46] I'm only guessing [13:48] You'll also want to hold linux-image-generic [13:48] Nilbus: why are you running CONFIG_PM_TRACE with gutsy kernel? [13:49] Nilbus: even if you find a suspend/hibernate bug, it wont get fixed in gutsy, and may in fact already be fixed in hardy [13:51] Kano: how? [13:51] after mounting rootfs [13:51] ro, yeah [13:52] easiest thing would be to m-i-t init script to check for that boot param [13:52] and blacklist too [13:58] but then for executing real udev [13:58] or you add that in init from udev [14:00] BenC, oh, is that right... [14:01] maks_: do you get me? the blacklist in initramfs is ok, but later udev is started and does not know about it [14:01] BenC, where would I look to find out if my suspend bug is fixed in Hardy? [14:01] well, I guess that's hard to say [14:01] seeing as I don't know what's causing it [14:05] Nilbus: upgrade and test it, basically [14:07] amitk, cking, smb: Basically, the kernel that is in the archive now is what we will have for Beta, unless there's something critical that we need to fix now [14:07] Anything like that going on? [14:09] BenC: I could use a new upload of LUM so that the beta corresponds to a UME milestone [14:09] maks_: still awake? [14:09] amitk: Ok, please prepare that upload with what you want in it, and I'll sign it [14:10] Kano: did you read my responses? [14:10] BenC: what about the current weekly list of bugfixes? [14:10] maks_: well why is that missing? [14:10] what? [14:10] you need it before udev starts [14:10] the blackist in rootfs [14:10] BenC: nothing critical [14:11] cking: we need to be much more stringent on what we will and wont fix for Release-Candidate after beta [14:12] cking: if it isn't keeping people from booting the live-cd and/or their installed system, and isn't breaking upgrades, we are probably going to mark it wont-fix for hardy [14:12] BenC: like smb then, nothing critical then. [14:12] maks_: how about patching udev startup? [14:12] BenC: The FTBS thing with the elf lib has a workaround [14:12] Kano: i'm not the udev maintainer but you are right that the init of udev would be a good target, sure [14:13] smb: the palo ftbfs? [14:13] BenC: yes [14:13] smb: mark it wont-fix for the linux target...it's non-critical to me [14:13] maks_: it would be pretty much the same code just a rm -f before [14:13] * BenC needs much coffee [14:14] BenC: ok. [14:15] BenC: I've put two minor patches in over the last 24 hours - they should be OK. [14:19] BenC: I did one critical (I believe) and one minor [14:19] any of those critical for beta? [14:19] smb: what's the critical one? [14:19] BenC: x86: Clear DF before calling signal handler [14:20] smb, amitk, cking: And as a reminder, no commits should be done without a bug link...we need launchpad bugs to justify breaking freeze [14:21] smb: Ok, we've had that bug (from upstream) for some time now, so it can wait till after beta [14:22] BenC: mine were not critical, one fixed the toshiba_acpi.c to version 0.19a, another fixed UDMA for Acer 1694 Wlmi [14:23] cking: excellent, that's the one I had on my plate to do before release [14:23] toshiba acpi may be critical for beta though...considering the testing people will be doing [14:23] BenC: If you uploaded this morning it would be in [14:24] I didn't, I uploaded yesterday [14:24] only thing I uploaded this morning was lum and linux-meta [14:24] BenC: The toshiba 0.19a needed adding your previous patch + minor merges from current. [14:24] BenC: Ok, so it is for after beta. np [14:32] mjg59: ideas how to make backlight adjustment working again post -10, something in -11 broke it and possibly the change tagged as "Rationalise ACPI backlight implementation", this is bug 197929 [14:41] tjaalton: On Thinkpads? Revert the other one [14:41] The first patch is fine [14:41] bbl [14:43] mjg59: so revert the "Ignore ACPI video devices that aren't present in hardware"? [14:43] Yes [14:43] I'm just confused :) === LifeHacker is now known as tuxmaniac [14:43] mjg59: ok, I'll try === \sh is now known as \sh_away [14:45] Launchpad bug 197929 in linux "Backlight adjustment no longer works on Thinkpad X61s" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197929 [14:46] ubotu seems to take 10 minutes to make up its mind about displaying the bug [14:47] amitk: lazy bot [14:47] probably crawling to the catalog, and searching manually through the entries === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Traxer is now known as Traxer|on === Traxer|on is now known as Traxer === LifeHacker is now known as tuxmaniac [16:04] zul: did you actually try to build nvidia against xen? it still fails here [16:07] tjaalton: yep Ill take a look [16:09] zul: thanks === \sh_away is now known as \sh [16:31] tjaalton: the nvidia driver needs a patch in order to work with xen [16:34] exit [16:41] tjaalton: the patch is available in this package made by Mandriva: http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/mandriva/2007.1/x86_64/media/non-free/backports/dkms-nvidia97xx-169.12-1mdv2007.1.x86_64.html [16:43] tseliot: are you sue about that link? [16:43] sure* [16:43] alex_joni: what's wrong? [16:44] doesn't open here [16:44] "It seems that you typed in an incorrect URL, or were redirected to an outdated HTML page by a search engine| [16:45] tseliot: I think it's missing from their second transparent mirror [16:45] alex_joni: get to http://rpmfind.net/ , type "dkms-nvidia" in the name field and "mandriva" in the System field [16:45] http://fr.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/mandriva/2007.1/x86_64/media/non-free/backports/dkms-nvidia97xx-169.12-1mdv2007.1.x86_64.html [16:46] tseliot: the results of the search will give something like dkms-nvidia97xx-169.12-1mdv2007.1.x86_64.html [16:46] tseliot: it opens fr2.* here, so the steps you mention produced the same result (no dkms-nvidia found), but adding the fr. before rpmfind.net made it work [16:47] alex_joni: good [16:49] tseliot: there is a patch already [16:51] tjaalton: ah, ok === \sh is now known as \sh_away [17:09] BenC, Were many cases of resume-after-suspend bugs fixed in the Hardy kernel? === lamont is now known as lamont` [17:20] Nilbus: lots, yes [17:20] nice [17:24] BenC: irc meeting? [17:24] smb: hmm...missed it, damn clocks [17:25] amitk, smb, cking: Sorry, got caught up in some bugs...I'll email for a reschedule [17:25] alright... [17:26] * amitk signs off for the day [17:26] * cking cking bails out too [17:26] * smb goes for lunch [17:34] * abogani go to Muay Thai coaching :-) === asac_ is now known as asac [19:19] "Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY" I can't ask for any help :( [22:40] Will Dell 1505 n wireless cards be supported in 8.04? [22:44] how often does sf.net synch their mirrors?