[00:00] <StevenK> Okay, I'll sort that out with Praj
[00:13] <StevenK> rustyl_: So when is this call happening?
[00:13] <rustyl_> StevenK, i don't know
[00:16] <StevenK> rustyl_: Is Mauri around there?
[00:16] <rustyl_> let me see
[00:17] <rustyl_> StevenK, she is not on irc, but she is in the office.... StevenK who was calling the meeting, were you asking for this, what it davidm?
[00:17] <rustyl_> s/what it/was it/
[00:17] <StevenK> EPARSE
[00:18] <StevenK> rustyl_: I thought Mauri was calling the meeting, based on the flurry of e-mail I got this morning.
[00:22] <rustyl_> StevenK, just talked to Mauri... she basically said... 'Canonical guys are having a hard time getting helix + hw accelerated codecs working, so we were asked to walk them through it'
[00:23] <rustyl_> StevenK, and all i will say is: first integrate all the graphics components, and only after that should you expect the codecs to work
[00:24] <rustyl_> but... Calvin can not make this time to walk through any issues you have with integrating the graphics components
[00:24] <rustyl_> StevenK, do you already have all the 2d/3d/libva all figured out and working?
[00:24] <rustyl_> or do we need Calvin?
[00:25] <StevenK> rustyl_: Well, sure, but I'm having a hard time reconciling packages to if they are required for 3d, since Hardy includes the 2d driver already
[00:26] <rustyl_> i'm not going to be any help getting all the graphics components working... that is all coming from Calvin
[00:27] <StevenK> rustyl_: Even a mapping of what package is for what bit if you know would be very helpful.
[00:28] <rustyl_> i don't even know what you guys are being handed.
[00:28] <StevenK> The 3d driver from ARMS.
[00:28] <rustyl_> for our gutsy based images, i have three different psb-*.deb packages that i install
[00:28] <StevenK> Which also includes the 2d driver, too
[00:29] <rustyl_> so then... the packages are no coming in a form that you can just 'install'?
[00:29] <rustyl_> because of conflicts in hardy?
[00:30] <StevenK> Well, I'd rather not install the 2d driver from the package since hardy already provides it
[00:34] <rustyl_> StevenK, ok, so forgetting about unhappiness with the form of the graphics drivers as they are arriving.... if you just install the packages (as is), then are you seeing issues with helix + hardware accelerated codecs?
[00:36] <StevenK> rustyl_: If I force everything to be installed, 3d works. I didn't yet have helix in a state where I could test it. Now I do, but I wanted to get the 3d driver sorted out as well
[00:37] <rustyl_> ok, i was under the impression that you were running into issues getting the codecs to work, but I could never get an answer from anyone on what the problem was
[00:38] <rustyl_> StevenK, btw... do you have the umc_va_player from ARMS? It's a nice way to verify that your libva + 3d driver is really working without using helix (basically remove another variable from the equation)
[00:39] <StevenK> rustyl_: No, I don't have that.
[00:40] <rustyl_> StevenK, look in your home directory on moblin
[00:41] <rustyl_> it's just a stand command line player that spits out a bunch of debug info and doesn't depend on installed codecs or media infrastructure
[00:42] <rustyl_> stand along that is
[01:40] <MutantBC> hi
[01:41] <MutantBC> have anyone experience  an error when installing the mobile image creator - "Couldn't find package mobile-image-creator"?
[01:41] <MutantBC> im using ubuntu 7.10 oem version
[01:41] <StevenK> It's moblin-image-creator
[01:42] <MutantBC> yes its still the same "Couldn't find package moblin-image-creator
[01:43] <StevenK> Do you have universe enabled?
[01:43] <MutantBC> where can i find that?
[01:43] <MutantBC> how do i check if the universe is enabled?
[01:43] <StevenK> System->Administration->Software Sources
[01:44] <MutantBC> ok one moment
[01:58] <MutantBC> StevenK do I have to reload? coz the downloading is taking awhile even though the internet connection here is fast
[01:59] <StevenK> MutantBC: You should have to, no.
[02:02] <MutantBC> StevenK: Ok
[02:03] <MutantBC> StevenK: Are the packages that to be downloaded are huge?
[02:03] <StevenK> I don't think they are.
[02:06] <MutantBC> StevenK: that strange, coz the downloading is slow but the browsing is fast
[02:07] <StevenK> Perhaps you need to pick a faster mirror
[02:14] <MutantBC> StevenK: How do I do that?
[02:15] <MutantBC> StevenK: Can you suggest which mirror is faster?
[02:16] <StevenK> MutantBC: Change the "Download from" in Software Sources
[02:31] <MutantBC> StevenK: Ok
[03:30] <MutantBC> StevenK: but still slow been choosing a lot of mirror sites
[03:31] <StevenK> MutantBC: You aren't clear on what is slow. 
[03:35] <MutantBC> StevenK: downloading the packages from the Software Sources is taking too long
[03:36] <MutantBC> StevenK: I kept swtiching to a better mirror site but still downloading around 600 B/s
[03:37] <StevenK> MutantBC: Right. The right forum to ask questions about what to do in that case is #ubuntu
[03:40] <MutantBC> StevenK: I just wanted to download the moblin-image-creator but without updating the Software Sources, I can't do anything
[03:47] <MutantBC> StevenK: #ubuntu is too crowded, they said its normal to get a slower speed on the mirror servers when updating the packages from the Software Sources
[03:47] <MutantBC> :(
[04:28] <MutantBC> StevenK: Can the moblin image create a customize image for a specific device such as 7" similar to eeePC?
[05:01] <MutantBC> Can the moblin image create a customize image for a specific device such as 7" similar to eeePC?
[05:24] <nrp> MutantBC: right now it only does mccaslin and menlow stuff, of which the eee is neither
[05:25] <nrp> you could just install ubuntu server on the eee and install the ubuntu-mobile package
[06:32] <MutantBC> nrp: so you mean I have to install ubuntu to the eeePC and later install the ubuntu mobile?
[06:32] <MutantBC> nrp: can I just install the ubuntu mobile?
[06:32] <MutantBC> nrp: can i just install the ubuntu mobile to the eeePC?
[06:43] <nrp> itll be infinitely easier for you to just install ubuntu server, and the ubuntu-mobile package
[06:44] <nrp> if you want to make it difficult and save a little space, you could use debootstrap and make a really basic install to install ubuntu-mobile onto
[06:47] <nrp> don't expect to get anything usable though. unless you're doing development or are just bored, youre better off going with something else
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:47] <nrp> mornin'
[06:54] <WcktKlwn> what kind of devices are supported under ubuntu mobile?
[06:58] <dholbach> see the topic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ
[07:17] <MutantBC> nrp: Ok
[07:18] <MutantBC> nrp: right now im using VIA VX800 chipset, which i don't think Ubuntu 7.10 is supported on this chipset
[12:16] <Fenario> KevinTW: ping
[16:23] <davidm> Don_Johnson, http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5429881813.html
[21:47] <bert_> hi, I'm trying to get onto ubuntu mobile (installed the packages) but it doesn't seem to work
[21:47] <bert_> do I need some kind of alpha image ?
[21:49] <bert_> anyone ?
[21:55] <nrp> bert_: what did you install it onto
[21:56] <bert_> I just took a clean 32-bit ubuntu 7.10
[21:56] <bert_> and then installed ubuntu-mobile and ubuntu-mobile-dev
[21:59] <bert_> nrp ???
[21:59] <nrp> are you using it with Xephyr?
[22:01] <bert_> nrp: what's Xephyr ?
[22:04] <nrp> lets you run X inside X
[22:05] <nrp> theres a guide to using ubuntu-mobile with it somewhere on the ubuntu wiki
[22:05] <bert_> really
[22:05] <bert_> I didn't get the information that was on there
[22:05] <bert_> (I'm not a native-english speaker
[22:05] <bert_> )
[22:07] <bert_> I have to go now
[22:07] <bert_> thx for your help
[22:29] <GrueMaster> davidm ping
[22:35] <davidm> Hi GrueMaster 
[22:37] <GrueMaster> I got a note from Don re USB Client.
[22:37] <GrueMaster> I just got the source tree this afternoon (everyone was sending me links but no access - doh).
[22:38] <GrueMaster> What did you need info on?