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platyhelminthhi, How to increase the size of texts in ubuntu ?00:52
platyhelminthXubuntu00:52
tech404after installing gutsy from a usb flash drive I get a grub error 15 when I try to boot from the hd but if I boot from the usb it boots fine03:13
tech404however I cant figure out how to fix it03:13
tech404when i enter grub and try 'find /boot/grub/stage1' i get the error 15 again03:14
tech404because boot is the first partition on sda i tried 'root (hd0,0)' but then I get error 2103:15
tech404Error 21: Selected disk does not exist03:16
tech404tried 0,0   0,1   1,0    1,1   all gave error 2103:16
HACKhalo2j1mc?03:24
j1mchi HACKhalo203:25
HACKhalo2heya03:25
j1mc:)03:25
HACKhalo2im a noob :P03:26
HACKhalo2i can't figure out how to submit a bug03:26
j1mcok... i should probably be able to help.  what problem are you having?03:26
j1mchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu03:27
HACKhalo2My wireless card's Firmware isn't in Xubuntu 8.4a303:27
j1mchmm... what wifi card do you have?03:27
HACKhalo2Dell TrueMoble 130003:27
HACKhalo2in 7.10, I had to download Firmware in order for it to work03:29
j1mcright... that may still be necessary under 8.04.  ??  i'm not a total pro myself.03:29
HACKhalo2well, the lights don't come on anymore03:29
j1mchave you seen this page?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsDell03:30
j1mcdid you do an upgrade, or a clean install?03:30
HACKhalo2my labtop isn't even on there lol03:31
j1mcthey mention the wirelss card, though.03:32
j1mcdid you do a clean install of 8.04, or an upgrade?03:32
HACKhalo2right03:32
HACKhalo2upgrade03:32
j1mcit is probably because the wireless modules are now interfacing with a different kernel.03:33
HACKhalo2everything else works flawlessly03:33
j1mcthat would be my guess...03:33
j1mchave you tried reinstalling ndiswrapper?03:33
HACKhalo2:?03:33
j1mchttp://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/03:34
echobinaryis it possible to mount NFS shares w/o resorting to the root account?03:43
j1mchi echobinary ... sorry, i don't know that one.  maybe somebody else here does.03:45
HACKhalo2doesn't it automount?03:50
echobinarywhat?03:50
echobinarysure you can mount nfs automagically03:51
HACKhalo2doesn't it automatically mount when you start up?03:51
echobinarydoesnt that involve the root user?03:51
HACKhalo2it does...03:51
HACKhalo2scrach that03:51
echobinarythe goal is to map NFS network shares as a non-root user03:52
HACKhalo2ah03:52
echobinarythe idea being that if the computer gets compromised and they get root, they cannot do any damage to the remote filesystem03:52
HACKhalo2so basically, have the NFS controller under another user whereas root has no controll over it?03:53
echobinaryon the server i can set up the share such that -mapuser root=nobody03:54
echobinaryand nobody would have no permissions03:54
HACKhalo2so you can't set it as -mapuser user=admin?03:55
echobinaryerr -maproot=nobody03:55
echobinarylol03:55
echobinaryi misspoke03:55
HACKhalo2ah03:55
echobinarythe flag is maproot, not mapuser03:55
echobinaryit is not flexable with which user03:56
echobinaryi can set maproot=admin user jus tot get it mounted..  but then my remote filesystem is vunerable03:56
echobinaryhowevewr03:57
echobinarynow that i think about it03:57
echobinaryif someone can get root03:57
echobinarythey can just su to the admin username03:57
echobinarylol03:57
echobinaryim overthinking things03:57
* echobinary is still learning lots03:58
* HACKhalo2 is still learning too03:59
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caris_mereI am having trouble ejecting my removable usb sticks.  Is this possible with Xubuntu?07:44
ere4siI just sudo umount them myself07:45
caris_mereDoes that protect the data from erasing when being unplugged from the computer?07:48
ere4siyep - sure doesw :)07:49
ere4si*does07:49
caris_merethanks07:49
ere4sik luck to you07:49
faileasi'm having a rather odd glitch. selecting a terminal from the applications menu kicks me out to the log on screen... am i having a wierd glitch, or is there a reason why its doing that?08:06
wyattcHow should xubuntu be pronounced?09:27
grumpymolewyattc: zoobuntu09:28
wyattcDamn.09:29
wyattcI have an ongoing (and wrong) urge to call it ksoobuntu or exoobuntu09:30
wyattcThank you though.09:32
begasus_hello peeps09:36
begasus_does anyone know if xubuntu comes default with befs support?09:36
ere4siwhat's "befs"?09:37
begasus_BeOS file system09:37
ere4si!befs09:37
ubotwoHow should I know?09:37
begasus_trying to mount a befs partition but I'm getting a unknown file type when trying to09:38
ere4sihehe maybe not - gimme a min to check09:38
begasus_thnx09:39
ere4sihttp://www.freelists.org/archives/openbeos/12-2006/msg00167.html - should give you a clue09:41
begasus_ah k thnx ;)09:44
begasus_checking09:44
begasus_ow bugger .. wrong device ;)09:48
begasus_working09:48
begasus_used /dev/sda3 instead of 4 ^^09:48
ere4siso it's ok?09:50
begasus_yeah it's working fine09:51
begasus_sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt -t befs09:51
begasus_now on to adding that in fstab09:52
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Begasusre10:43
tachyonwhy is there no volume control be default?12:34
tachyon*by12:34
maxamilliontachyon: yes, there is a panel plugin12:35
maxamilliontachyon: i can't remember if it is added to the panel by default or not, if not then just right click on the panel and add the plugin12:35
tachyonit wont add to either of my 2 panels12:39
tachyonsighs12:40
TheSheepit's currently broken in hardy12:41
tachyonwhat is12:41
ghetto[kernel]hi, how i upgrade xubuntu feitsy to gutsy gibons=12:41
TheSheepthe panel plugin12:41
TheSheep!upgrade | ghetto[kernel]12:41
ubotwoghetto[kernel]: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes12:41
tachyoni'm not in hardy12:41
maxamillionTheSheep: its broken in hardy?12:44
* maxamillion needs to keep up with whats going on :/12:44
TheSheepmaxamillion: segfaults12:44
maxamillionouch12:45
tachyonwell whats that gnome app i can run to change the volume?12:46
TheSheepgnome-volume-manager12:46
tachyonaha, thanks12:47
ghetto[kernel]TheSheep, i opened the upgrade  manager and im on it right now, but i have xubuntu, will the upgrade change it to ubuntu? i dont want that12:48
TheSheepno12:49
tachyonthat doesnt appear to launch either folks12:49
ghetto[kernel]gota go now XD, (upgrading) proccess ^12:50
tachyonxcfe is losing fans12:50
TheSheeptachyon: that last one is not an xfce app, maybe something's wrong with your soundcard?12:51
TheSheeptachyon: does alsamixer work?12:51
tachyonjust trying it12:52
tachyonit works! you legend12:54
TheSheephmm... then it's not a soundcard issue. wonder hwat it might be then12:54
tachyonits ok now... i just messed around with the panel properties and readded and its there now13:00
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tachyonso now the crisis is over, is there a way to get windows to resize to *almost* full screen, without covering the panel, like a mac os x dock?13:02
TheSheeptachyon: it's the default when the panel's position is 'fixed'13:03
TheSheeptachyon: you can also set margins in "workspaces and margins"13:03
tachyonnice13:04
jepeshow can i increase the number of workspace from 2 to 4? i cant seem to find it.13:57
TheSheepjepes: settings->margins and workspaces14:02
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dezrikAnyone around today?17:02
TheSheep!ask17:02
ubotwoPlease don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)17:02
dezrikNM-applet shows up in my taskbar 3 times its quite annoying. Is there anyway to make linux boot faster? I also have no boot screen its just a black screen for 2-3 minutes until it finally loads to wm17:03
TheSheepdezrik: to get rid of nmapplet, delete the files in ~/.cache/sessions17:05
TheSheepdezrik: it should be ok on next login17:05
TheSheepdezrik: you can make it boot faster by disabling startup of some services you don't need17:06
dezrikbasicly i just use this box for browsing and watching movies from time to time.17:06
TheSheepdezrik: and last, edit the file /etc/usplash.conf as root and put a proper resolution for your screen there17:07
dezrikWow your amazing17:09
dezrikHow do i disable startup services17:09
TheSheepeither use the simple yet not very powerful system->services dialog, or install the 'bum' package and use that (it will show as system->boot up manager)17:10
TheSheepbe careful do not disable dbus or hal, you need them17:10
dezrikalright installing 'bum'17:11
TheSheepdezrik: disabling some of the autostarting applications may help reduce the time to login too17:13
dezrikthis laptop is only 1.10Ghz 256MB of ram, i dont expect it to boot that much faster lol17:14
TheSheepit's a fine machine17:14
dezrikThis is the first run linux for long term17:15
dezrikim forcing myself to use it for a month17:15
TheSheepcold turkey, eh?17:16
dezrikYup17:16
dezrikDidnt back up anything.17:16
dezrikso far im doing alright last time i installed linux it failed to boot after a week of using it :/17:16
dezrikSeems to be alright now 1+week already17:16
TheSheepas long as you don't mess with root :)17:19
amoose136could someone tell me how to start a command line install17:20
amoose136?17:20
dezrikAlright rebooting ill tell you if its faster17:21
dezrikBoot screen didnt load, but it did boot a little faster. and my nm-applet problem is gone17:25
TheSheepdezrik: great17:25
TheSheepamoose136: you need the alternate cd for that17:25
dezrikkeyring nm applet related thing is annoying17:25
amoose136great I'll start a download17:26
TheSheepamoose136: you can also use the minicd and install from network17:26
TheSheep!install17:26
ubotwoUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate17:26
amoose136the computer I am installing from has no OS and the network is not going to work constantly17:27
amoose136it must be cd install17:28
Slipping420can someone help me with a graphic driver issue17:37
Slipping420hello17:40
TheSheep!ask17:45
ubotwoPlease don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)17:45
dezrikIs there anyway to make keyring not popup i have to put in the password a few times before it accepts18:07
DougalTotal newb here: How do i get a list of the programs i've already got installed18:33
DougalI *know* there are programs on here that I don't have in the applications list18:34
nikolamaccesories>appfinder18:36
nikolamls /usr/bin18:36
Dougalthanks18:36
nikolamnp18:36
Dougali should start reading through the documentation again,18:38
nikolamfeel free to ask18:40
Dougali do :)18:43
TheSheepdpkg -l  will list all the packages that are installed18:43
Dougalheh, somewhat spammy though :)18:44
dezrikHello im having problems with nm-applet19:20
uninviteddezrik whats your problem with nm-applet ?19:21
dezriki have to enter keyring something password19:21
dezrikalot19:21
^u^!keyring19:22
ubotwoHow should I know?19:22
uninvited!keyring19:31
ubotwoHow should I know?19:31
maxamilliondezrik: its a safety feature, it keeps wireless encryption keys locked internally and encrypted so they can only be accessed with your password19:40
zoredachehas anyone figurd out how to get the keyring integrated with pam and gdm?19:40
zoredacheI know you can get that working with gnome, for some reason I can't get it working in firefox19:41
pc-illiterategood afternoon20:01
pc-illiteratei really could use a hand if someone has the time20:02
Odd-rationaleSure. I'll try. What's up?20:02
pc-illiterateim getting ready to install on a fresh reformatted hard drive20:02
pc-illiterateis there anything special i need to do first ?20:03
* uninvited listens...20:03
zoredachenod20:03
zoredacheno*20:03
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: OK. Are you planning to use the entie drive? Or dual-boot or something?20:03
uninvitedlvm ?20:03
pc-illiterateits a slave drive but im using that 2nd drive for xubuntu only20:04
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: OK. There is nothing special you need to do. Just select that drive in the partition step of the installation20:04
pc-illiteratecool.20:05
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: Have fun!20:05
pc-illiterateso install will ask which drive to install too then ?20:05
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: Yes. you need to know the sizes of the hard drives you have.20:06
pc-illiteratethats easy lol20:06
pc-illiteratei have a 60 master and 20 slave20:06
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: Let us know whether you run into any problems!20:07
pc-illiteratelast question i think. do i need to install from reboot or can i install while im in windows ?20:07
pc-illiterateand you better believe i'll be back if i have a problem lol20:08
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: You need to shutdown windows and boot from the cd.20:08
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: You burned the iso to cd, right?20:08
pc-illiterateok....hopefully i'll be back with good news :D20:08
pc-illiterateyep20:08
pc-illiterate the desktop/install cd20:09
Odd-rationalePut that cd in the drive before you turn your comp off.20:09
Odd-rationaleAnd While your at it. Make sure that you burn ed the *contents* of the iso not the iso itself.20:09
Odd-rationale(a common problem, i did it myself)20:10
pc-illiterateactually i mounted it on daemon tools and copied it with nero20:10
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: So when your cd is in the drive, do you see one file, the iso, or several files and folder?20:10
pc-illiterateall the dif files n folders20:11
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: Good. See if it boots...20:11
pc-illiterateit has before. i couldnt live cd because i dont have enough ram20:12
pc-illiterateok im out if thats it...20:12
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Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: See you!20:13
pc-illiteratelater man lol20:13
guest8Hi, I just installed xubuntu. Is there a graphical utility with which I can access samba shares or drag-n-drop files via ssh? In ubutu, nautilus can do that, but thunar doesn't seem to be able to do that.20:17
Odd-rationaleguest8: Not in thunar...20:18
guest8Any other program that is automatically installed?20:18
Odd-rationaleguest8: TGhis might help though: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30413120:18
guest8What is TGhis?20:19
Odd-rationale*this20:19
slow-motionhi20:19
zPliskiNHi, I have made new users on xubuntu, but for some reasons i lost complete access to system apps. how do you regive privileges with the sudo commands ?20:20
guest8Isn'T that forum article about creating shares? I only want to access them20:20
zPliskiNall my users lost their access to those apps like wireless manager, synaptic, updates, etc. i want to have complete access again20:21
Odd-rationaleguest8: The forum post was about mounting samba share with thunar. It is a little different that simply accessing them though20:21
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: Maybe you just need to add those users to their respective groups.20:21
guest8Well, ok, then thats not the ideal thing for me... I don't need to install the samba server on my xubuntu box.20:22
zPliskiN1 group is in Root, and he has lost access as well20:22
zPliskiNisnt there a command like sudo create user - full access or whatever20:22
Odd-rationaleguest8: It is the best we got with thunar :(20:22
zPliskiNjust a way to create a supreme user of some sort.20:22
guest8Maybe an external application (not part of Thunar) hat supports drag'n'drop with files and folders?20:24
Odd-rationaleguest8: I don't know... If you find one, let me know. I would be interested...20:24
guest8I know gFTP, but it doesn't support drag'n'drop20:25
zoredacheguest8: you sould use something like afuse and fusesmb and sshfs20:26
zoredachebasically you setup a direcotry, and whenever you browse into that directory it will automount through smb, ssh or whatever the resurce you need20:27
guest8wasn't exactly that described in the post?20:27
zoredachethe drawback is that for it to be easy, you have to store your passwords in a file on your drive20:27
guest8Well, saving passwords in nautilus also saves them somewhere, so that wouldn'T matter ...20:28
guest8But I don't feel comfortable with installing the whole samba server to access shares, zoredache20:28
guest8!samba20:28
ubotwoSamba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.20:28
guest8!smb20:29
zoredacheguest8: you don't need the samba server to have smb fuse support20:29
guest8zoredache: Doesn't it say so in the post?20:29
zoredacheI don't know...  I didn't read it20:29
guest8ITs this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30413120:30
Odd-rationaleguest8: There is xsmbrowser in the repos... I haven't tried though. But you can take a look?20:30
guest8aptitude show xsmbrowser says that it suggest nautilus, so it won'T work (drag'n'drop) with thunar?20:31
zoredacheguest8: yes that article basically suggests the same solution....20:32
guest8What "same solution"? It doesn't say xsmbrowser anywhere20:33
ghetto[kernel]hi i have this problem, xfce dont want to show me higher resolutions than 800x600, although i have in xorg.conf 1024x768 as the only res available. ive been like this for at least two weeks, i have Xubuntu, many will say its a xorg problem but no, believe me, its xfce, how can i fix it or where can i edit the options xfce is showing me to change the res20:33
guest8Odd-rationale: Thanks, I'll try out xsmbrowser.20:34
zoredacheguest8: the same solution as the one I had suggested 4 lines before....  afuse+fusesmb20:34
guest8zoredach: Ah, ok. So you do need the samba server20:34
guest8Bye20:34
guest8But I can use xsmbrowser now, I'll try it out.20:34
zoredacheguest8: NO you do NOT need the server20:34
Odd-rationaleguest8: Np. Like I said, I haven't tried it myself. Let me know if it works..20:34
zoredachefusesmb does not depend on the samba server20:35
guest8zoredach: Doesn#t it say so in step 1: This will install thesamba server20:35
zoredachethe article is lieing to you20:35
zoredacheyou don't need it20:35
guest8So excluding step 1 still works?20:36
zoredacheit should, yes20:36
guest8I don't see where to set the specific server and share to mount.20:37
guest8Well, probably you can find better articles about fusesmb via google that don't lie.20:38
guest8And that tell you how to set the share and server20:38
guest8I'll think about which approach I favor (mounting or client program), thanks.20:39
guest8Bye20:40
* zoredache grumbles to myself... one of these days I am going to have to document my procedure, cause all the current one suck 20:40
dezriklol20:41
Odd-rationalezoredache: Start a wiki article...20:41
zoredacheI know, I should, I have just been lazy... but the same question is asked so many times, I would probably make things easier of I just wrong down my directions20:42
dezrikdoes xubuntu have a CALC program?20:45
dezriknevermind20:45
zPliskiNhow you setup full access to a user ?20:49
Odd-rationaleTry adding that user to the admin group.20:50
zPliskiNi can't for some reasons, all my users have no access20:50
zPliskiNeven those that were super users20:50
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: How did that happen?20:50
zPliskiNi don't know. it was fine yesterday, today not.20:50
zoredacheif you really broke things, you should be able to reboot into rescue mode and adduser to admin20:50
zPliskiNhow do i boot secure mode ?20:51
zPliskiNpop cd in and go with menu ?20:51
ghetto[kernel]have any of u had a problem where the resolutions configured in xorg.conf are not the ones xfce is showing and then u got stucked in an 800x600 or 640x480 maybe20:51
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: Reboot. and when you have the screen that says loading grub, press escape. then select reovery mode20:51
zoredacherebot, press the escape key in the two seconds grub prompts you... then you'll see a menu20:51
zPliskiNaight. will try20:52
zoredachethe cammand once you get there  is 'addser {username} admin' or in your case perhaps 'adduser zpliskin admin'20:52
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: When you are there try "gpasswd -a <user> admin"20:52
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: Then do "reboot"20:53
Odd-rationalezoredache: We're just echoing each other... :)20:53
zPliskiNi try to modify the sudoers, but everytime it says "user not in sudoers. error will be reported" or whatever20:53
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: Is that how you lost root access?20:55
zPliskiNi use xubuntu20:55
zPliskiNis there a way to create a new user with the sudo that has access. so i can delete all other users and just remake them or something ?20:57
zoredacheif no users currently have access then you are going to need to restart and give users access in the rescue mode20:58
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: Try our suggestion first. Reboot into reveroy mode, and at the prompt to "gpasswd -a <user> admin" then reboot20:58
zoredacheif you where updating your sudoers file and it doesn't have the required 'admin' entry then you may need to fix that while you are in recovery mode20:58
zPliskiNjust starting in recovery mode20:59
entityanyone tried cnet's wireless cards for xubuntu? It should work but it would be nice to hear someones experience20:59
zPliskiNwhats the difference between gpassword and "adduser ?21:00
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: It is "gpasswd"21:00
zPliskiNyeah21:01
Odd-rationalethe difference is whether you want to modify an account or create a new one.21:01
zPliskiNwhats the difference between those 2 commands21:01
zPliskiNah21:01
zPliskiNwill adduser <user> admin work ?21:01
zoredacheadduser is a perl script that calls the lower level tools.. it does more error checking I think21:01
zPliskiNso gpasswd is better ?21:01
zoredachefor what you are doing it won't make a difference21:01
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: Do you want to create a new user?21:02
zoredacheboth tools will make the exact same change21:02
zPliskiNyes21:02
zPliskiNi'll make new account, edit the current ones, and restart so everything works21:02
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: Then go ahead.21:02
zPliskiNgpasswd ?21:02
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: You can "man adduser" and "man gpasswd" to read about them.21:03
pc-illiterateproblems....21:03
zPliskiN"adding user <user> to group admin"21:03
zPliskiNmeans it worked ?21:03
zoredacheyes21:03
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: What's up?21:04
zPliskiNnow i reboot ?21:04
Odd-rationalezPliskiN: Yes21:04
zPliskiNalright. but seriously, it did it alone. like sometimes the terminal doesnt detect commands. i close it, reopen, and it works21:04
pc-illiterateafter i hit enter to start or install it went thru the progress bar then i got a black screen21:04
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: How much ram you got?21:04
pc-illiterate25621:05
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: hmm. Try the alternative install cd.21:05
pc-illiteratethe straight install cd ?21:05
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: Yes. text mode install21:05
zPliskiNquick question as well : i use a laptop p4 2.4 ghz, 1gb ram, ati 9000 mobility. is it better to run kubuntu or xubuntu ?21:05
pc-illiteratetext mode install..... what ?21:06
dezrikxubuntu would be faster21:06
zoredachezPliskiN: on that system both should run, it will be better to run which enviroment fits your needs21:06
Odd-rationale!alternative21:06
ubotwoThe Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal21:06
zPliskiNi have no idea what kubuntu does more than xubuntu. i just put xubuntu cause thats what i use for my PS321:06
pc-illiteratei hate to sound stupid but, what do i do install with the install cd21:07
TheSheepzPliskiN: just use the one you are more comfortable with21:07
zoredachezPliskiN: kubuntu is more windows-like... it has more tools and functionality in areas21:07
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: What do you mean? Could you elaborate a bit?21:08
zPliskiNis there an easy way to go from xubuntu to kubuntu ?21:08
zoredachezPliskiN: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should install everything you need21:09
pc-illiterateyou said text mode install. i doubt i would know what to do after i start-up21:09
zPliskiNand replace the files ? i don't have a big harddrive, so i don't want both there taking gbs for nothing21:09
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: It is quite intuitive. Just select the options you want. I can help you through it if needed...21:09
zoredacheno, that would have both installed... If you are low on disk space, then you can remove the extra packages21:10
pc-illiterateif it all comes up on-screen i can figure it out. i just know nothing of text input21:10
zoredacheif you just want to experiement you might want to download the kubuntu livecd and try that first.21:11
zPliskiNwhat you mean ?21:11
zPliskiNcan i just burn the kubuntu cd, pop it in my pc with xubuntu and follow an installation ?21:12
zoredachezPliskiN: I am saying, that if you use a livecd, you can experiement with kubuntu before installing it21:12
zPliskiNah ok21:12
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: It has a "console gui" if you can install xp, it should be no problem for yo21:12
zoredacheif you want kubuntu only, you can do the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, but removing the extra stuff is a bit tricky21:12
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: You barely have enough ram to do a livecd21:12
pc-illiterategood. all i have left is music cd-r's....it will burn to that no prob right ?21:12
pc-illiteratei dont have enough. it tells me i need 360+21:13
zPliskiNit took me like 6 h to install wireless drivers21:13
zPliskiNi don't want to do that again21:13
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: The text mode intall cd only needs 64 mb of ram21:13
pc-illiterateok. my music cd-r's will work fine though ?21:14
Odd-rationalei belive so. never tried21:14
pc-illiterateok im gunna give this another go. hopefully i'll be back with better results21:15
pc-illiteratethanks again21:15
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: np21:15
pc-illiteratecrap. 1 more. 7.10 or 6.06 ? does it matter ?21:19
Odd-rationalepc-illiterate: 7.1021:20
pc-illiterateok. i feel so stupid21:21
dezrikits ok every 1st timer feel stupid21:23
dezrikits like learning everything you know about computers in a different way21:23
pc-illiteratewell im a point n clicker21:23
dezrikive been on windows since i was 1121:26
dezrikjust made the switch to Linux cold turkey21:26
pc-illiteratei started on 98se in 99 and then bought this pc. i havent done a lot but play games and fight trojans and viruses21:27
dezrikme221:27
dezriki started in WIn95 and worked my way up21:27
dezrikskipped WInME tho21:27
pc-illiterateive heard hackers dont bother with linux as much cause its not as widely used. seems like a good enough reason to go to linux21:28
dezrikI think its about the same21:29
dezrikpeople who hack linux boxes are usually very intelligent and don't make mistakes to get caughjt21:29
dezrikany kid can hack windows just by readint tutorials21:29
TheSheepdezrik: same with linux21:30
TheSheepdezrik: even easier21:30
TheSheeplinux was made to be easy to play with21:30
pc-illiterateso xp is still the best OS to run games on ?21:30
TheSheeppc-illiterate: no, playstation is better21:30
pc-illiterateha21:31
pc-illiterateha21:31
TheSheephonest21:31
pc-illiteratei'd rather buy a new pc than a ps321:31
TheSheepI'm not telling you to buy anything21:32
pc-illiteratei only play CS and UT on this pc. its too old for anything else21:32
TheSheepI think UT has a linux version21:32
TheSheepthe engine for it, I mean21:32
TheSheepnot sure21:32
pc-illiteratei just figured id use wine21:32
dezriki play UT9921:35
dezriklol21:35
pc-illiteratei play tactical ops:assault on terror more than ut9921:35
entityhow do i take screenshots in xubuntu?22:12
TheSheepentity: 1) there is a panel plugin, 2) you can use gimp's file->aquire->screenshot, 3) you can install scrot and bind it your your printscreen key in keyboard setting22:12
entityTheSheep: whats that panel plugin?22:13
TheSheepan icon for your panel22:13
TheSheepright click on the panel, select add item and select the camera from the list22:14
entityTheSheep: thx alot22:17
Baldonehello I need help installing ubuntu22:37
zoredachewhat problem are you having?22:37
Baldonemy laptop take to long to run the live disk so I download the 6 ver and take forever22:38
Baldoneis there any installer it don't do the live cd22:38
zoredacheyes... use the alternate installers22:39
zoredache!alternate22:39
ubotwoThe Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal22:39
Baldonei checked the box and it still does not work22:40
Baldonewhat is the text mold look like because it still looks like the live cd22:40
Baldonewhen it start installing22:41
TheSheepBaldone: http://php.8ez.com/drsmall/blog/wp-content/screenshot-14.png22:42
zoredachewhat was the name of the iso you got?  the altnernate cd would have a filename like xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso22:42
Baldonelet me look on my other computer22:42
Baldoneubuntu 6.06.1 desktop 386'22:45
Baldoneand did the ubuntu 7.10 alternate22:46
sectechIs xubuntu functional enough (ie: power management, wireless) to be ran on a laptop?23:46

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