[00:52] <platyhelminth> hi, How to increase the size of texts in ubuntu ?
[00:52] <platyhelminth> Xubuntu
[03:13] <tech404> after installing gutsy from a usb flash drive I get a grub error 15 when I try to boot from the hd but if I boot from the usb it boots fine
[03:13] <tech404> however I cant figure out how to fix it
[03:14] <tech404> when i enter grub and try 'find /boot/grub/stage1' i get the error 15 again
[03:15] <tech404> because boot is the first partition on sda i tried 'root (hd0,0)' but then I get error 21
[03:16] <tech404> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[03:16] <tech404> tried 0,0   0,1   1,0    1,1   all gave error 21
[03:24] <HACKhalo2> j1mc?
[03:25] <j1mc> hi HACKhalo2
[03:25] <HACKhalo2> heya
[03:25] <j1mc> :)
[03:26] <HACKhalo2> im a noob :P
[03:26] <HACKhalo2> i can't figure out how to submit a bug
[03:26] <j1mc> ok... i should probably be able to help.  what problem are you having?
[03:27] <j1mc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[03:27] <HACKhalo2> My wireless card's Firmware isn't in Xubuntu 8.4a3
[03:27] <j1mc> hmm... what wifi card do you have?
[03:27] <HACKhalo2> Dell TrueMoble 1300
[03:29] <HACKhalo2> in 7.10, I had to download Firmware in order for it to work
[03:29] <j1mc> right... that may still be necessary under 8.04.  ??  i'm not a total pro myself.
[03:29] <HACKhalo2> well, the lights don't come on anymore
[03:30] <j1mc> have you seen this page?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsDell
[03:30] <j1mc> did you do an upgrade, or a clean install?
[03:31] <HACKhalo2> my labtop isn't even on there lol
[03:32] <j1mc> they mention the wirelss card, though.
[03:32] <j1mc> did you do a clean install of 8.04, or an upgrade?
[03:32] <HACKhalo2> right
[03:32] <HACKhalo2> upgrade
[03:33] <j1mc> it is probably because the wireless modules are now interfacing with a different kernel.
[03:33] <HACKhalo2> everything else works flawlessly
[03:33] <j1mc> that would be my guess...
[03:33] <j1mc> have you tried reinstalling ndiswrapper?
[03:33] <HACKhalo2> :?
[03:34] <j1mc> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[03:43] <echobinary> is it possible to mount NFS shares w/o resorting to the root account?
[03:45] <j1mc> hi echobinary ... sorry, i don't know that one.  maybe somebody else here does.
[03:50] <HACKhalo2> doesn't it automount?
[03:50] <echobinary> what?
[03:51] <echobinary> sure you can mount nfs automagically
[03:51] <HACKhalo2> doesn't it automatically mount when you start up?
[03:51] <echobinary> doesnt that involve the root user?
[03:51] <HACKhalo2> it does...
[03:51] <HACKhalo2> scrach that
[03:52] <echobinary> the goal is to map NFS network shares as a non-root user
[03:52] <HACKhalo2> ah
[03:52] <echobinary> the idea being that if the computer gets compromised and they get root, they cannot do any damage to the remote filesystem
[03:53] <HACKhalo2> so basically, have the NFS controller under another user whereas root has no controll over it?
[03:54] <echobinary> on the server i can set up the share such that -mapuser root=nobody
[03:54] <echobinary> and nobody would have no permissions
[03:55] <HACKhalo2> so you can't set it as -mapuser user=admin?
[03:55] <echobinary> err -maproot=nobody
[03:55] <echobinary> lol
[03:55] <echobinary> i misspoke
[03:55] <HACKhalo2> ah
[03:55] <echobinary> the flag is maproot, not mapuser
[03:56] <echobinary> it is not flexable with which user
[03:56] <echobinary> i can set maproot=admin user jus tot get it mounted..  but then my remote filesystem is vunerable
[03:57] <echobinary> howevewr
[03:57] <echobinary> now that i think about it
[03:57] <echobinary> if someone can get root
[03:57] <echobinary> they can just su to the admin username
[03:57] <echobinary> lol
[03:57] <echobinary> im overthinking things
[03:58]  * echobinary is still learning lots
[03:59]  * HACKhalo2 is still learning too
[07:44] <caris_mere> I am having trouble ejecting my removable usb sticks.  Is this possible with Xubuntu?
[07:45] <ere4si> I just sudo umount them myself
[07:48] <caris_mere> Does that protect the data from erasing when being unplugged from the computer?
[07:49] <ere4si> yep - sure doesw :)
[07:49] <ere4si> *does
[07:49] <caris_mere> thanks
[07:49] <ere4si> k luck to you
[08:06] <faileas> i'm having a rather odd glitch. selecting a terminal from the applications menu kicks me out to the log on screen... am i having a wierd glitch, or is there a reason why its doing that?
[09:27] <wyattc> How should xubuntu be pronounced?
[09:28] <grumpymole> wyattc: zoobuntu
[09:29] <wyattc> Damn.
[09:30] <wyattc> I have an ongoing (and wrong) urge to call it ksoobuntu or exoobuntu
[09:32] <wyattc> Thank you though.
[09:36] <begasus_> hello peeps
[09:36] <begasus_> does anyone know if xubuntu comes default with befs support?
[09:37] <ere4si> what's "befs"?
[09:37] <begasus_> BeOS file system
[09:37] <ere4si> !befs
[09:37] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[09:38] <begasus_> trying to mount a befs partition but I'm getting a unknown file type when trying to
[09:38] <ere4si> hehe maybe not - gimme a min to check
[09:39] <begasus_> thnx
[09:41] <ere4si> http://www.freelists.org/archives/openbeos/12-2006/msg00167.html - should give you a clue
[09:44] <begasus_> ah k thnx ;)
[09:44] <begasus_> checking
[09:48] <begasus_> ow bugger .. wrong device ;)
[09:48] <begasus_> working
[09:48] <begasus_> used /dev/sda3 instead of 4 ^^
[09:50] <ere4si> so it's ok?
[09:51] <begasus_> yeah it's working fine
[09:51] <begasus_> sudo mount /dev/sda4 /mnt -t befs
[09:52] <begasus_> now on to adding that in fstab
[10:43] <Begasus> re
[12:34] <tachyon> why is there no volume control be default?
[12:34] <tachyon> *by
[12:35] <maxamillion> tachyon: yes, there is a panel plugin
[12:35] <maxamillion> tachyon: i can't remember if it is added to the panel by default or not, if not then just right click on the panel and add the plugin
[12:39] <tachyon> it wont add to either of my 2 panels
[12:40] <tachyon> sighs
[12:41] <TheSheep> it's currently broken in hardy
[12:41] <tachyon> what is
[12:41] <ghetto[kernel]> hi, how i upgrade xubuntu feitsy to gutsy gibons=
[12:41] <TheSheep> the panel plugin
[12:41] <TheSheep> !upgrade | ghetto[kernel]
[12:41] <ubotwo> ghetto[kernel]: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:41] <tachyon> i'm not in hardy
[12:44] <maxamillion> TheSheep: its broken in hardy?
[12:44]  * maxamillion needs to keep up with whats going on :/
[12:44] <TheSheep> maxamillion: segfaults
[12:45] <maxamillion> ouch
[12:46] <tachyon> well whats that gnome app i can run to change the volume?
[12:46] <TheSheep> gnome-volume-manager
[12:47] <tachyon> aha, thanks
[12:48] <ghetto[kernel]> TheSheep, i opened the upgrade  manager and im on it right now, but i have xubuntu, will the upgrade change it to ubuntu? i dont want that
[12:49] <TheSheep> no
[12:49] <tachyon> that doesnt appear to launch either folks
[12:50] <ghetto[kernel]> gota go now XD, (upgrading) proccess ^
[12:50] <tachyon> xcfe is losing fans
[12:51] <TheSheep> tachyon: that last one is not an xfce app, maybe something's wrong with your soundcard?
[12:51] <TheSheep> tachyon: does alsamixer work?
[12:52] <tachyon> just trying it
[12:54] <tachyon> it works! you legend
[12:54] <TheSheep> hmm... then it's not a soundcard issue. wonder hwat it might be then
[13:00] <tachyon> its ok now... i just messed around with the panel properties and readded and its there now
[13:02] <tachyon> so now the crisis is over, is there a way to get windows to resize to *almost* full screen, without covering the panel, like a mac os x dock?
[13:03] <TheSheep> tachyon: it's the default when the panel's position is 'fixed'
[13:03] <TheSheep> tachyon: you can also set margins in "workspaces and margins"
[13:04] <tachyon> nice
[13:57] <jepes> how can i increase the number of workspace from 2 to 4? i cant seem to find it.
[14:02] <TheSheep> jepes: settings->margins and workspaces
[17:02] <dezrik> Anyone around today?
[17:02] <TheSheep> !ask
[17:02] <ubotwo> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:03] <dezrik> NM-applet shows up in my taskbar 3 times its quite annoying. Is there anyway to make linux boot faster? I also have no boot screen its just a black screen for 2-3 minutes until it finally loads to wm
[17:05] <TheSheep> dezrik: to get rid of nmapplet, delete the files in ~/.cache/sessions
[17:05] <TheSheep> dezrik: it should be ok on next login
[17:06] <TheSheep> dezrik: you can make it boot faster by disabling startup of some services you don't need
[17:06] <dezrik> basicly i just use this box for browsing and watching movies from time to time.
[17:07] <TheSheep> dezrik: and last, edit the file /etc/usplash.conf as root and put a proper resolution for your screen there
[17:09] <dezrik> Wow your amazing
[17:09] <dezrik> How do i disable startup services
[17:10] <TheSheep> either use the simple yet not very powerful system->services dialog, or install the 'bum' package and use that (it will show as system->boot up manager)
[17:10] <TheSheep> be careful do not disable dbus or hal, you need them
[17:11] <dezrik> alright installing 'bum'
[17:13] <TheSheep> dezrik: disabling some of the autostarting applications may help reduce the time to login too
[17:14] <dezrik> this laptop is only 1.10Ghz 256MB of ram, i dont expect it to boot that much faster lol
[17:14] <TheSheep> it's a fine machine
[17:15] <dezrik> This is the first run linux for long term
[17:15] <dezrik> im forcing myself to use it for a month
[17:16] <TheSheep> cold turkey, eh?
[17:16] <dezrik> Yup
[17:16] <dezrik> Didnt back up anything.
[17:16] <dezrik> so far im doing alright last time i installed linux it failed to boot after a week of using it :/
[17:16] <dezrik> Seems to be alright now 1+week already
[17:19] <TheSheep> as long as you don't mess with root :)
[17:20] <amoose136> could someone tell me how to start a command line install
[17:20] <amoose136> ?
[17:21] <dezrik> Alright rebooting ill tell you if its faster
[17:25] <dezrik> Boot screen didnt load, but it did boot a little faster. and my nm-applet problem is gone
[17:25] <TheSheep> dezrik: great
[17:25] <TheSheep> amoose136: you need the alternate cd for that
[17:25] <dezrik> keyring nm applet related thing is annoying
[17:26] <amoose136> great I'll start a download
[17:26] <TheSheep> amoose136: you can also use the minicd and install from network
[17:26] <TheSheep> !install
[17:26] <ubotwo> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[17:27] <amoose136> the computer I am installing from has no OS and the network is not going to work constantly
[17:28] <amoose136> it must be cd install
[17:37] <Slipping420> can someone help me with a graphic driver issue
[17:40] <Slipping420> hello
[17:45] <TheSheep> !ask
[17:45] <ubotwo> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[18:07] <dezrik> Is there anyway to make keyring not popup i have to put in the password a few times before it accepts
[18:33] <Dougal> Total newb here: How do i get a list of the programs i've already got installed
[18:34] <Dougal> I *know* there are programs on here that I don't have in the applications list
[18:36] <nikolam> accesories>appfinder
[18:36] <nikolam> ls /usr/bin
[18:36] <Dougal> thanks
[18:36] <nikolam> np
[18:38] <Dougal> i should start reading through the documentation again,
[18:40] <nikolam> feel free to ask
[18:43] <Dougal> i do :)
[18:43] <TheSheep> dpkg -l  will list all the packages that are installed
[18:44] <Dougal> heh, somewhat spammy though :)
[19:20] <dezrik> Hello im having problems with nm-applet
[19:21] <uninvited> dezrik whats your problem with nm-applet ?
[19:21] <dezrik> i have to enter keyring something password
[19:21] <dezrik> alot
[19:22] <^u^> !keyring
[19:22] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[19:31] <uninvited> !keyring
[19:31] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[19:40] <maxamillion> dezrik: its a safety feature, it keeps wireless encryption keys locked internally and encrypted so they can only be accessed with your password
[19:40] <zoredache> has anyone figurd out how to get the keyring integrated with pam and gdm?
[19:41] <zoredache> I know you can get that working with gnome, for some reason I can't get it working in firefox
[20:01] <pc-illiterate> good afternoon
[20:02] <pc-illiterate> i really could use a hand if someone has the time
[20:02] <Odd-rationale> Sure. I'll try. What's up?
[20:02] <pc-illiterate> im getting ready to install on a fresh reformatted hard drive
[20:03] <pc-illiterate> is there anything special i need to do first ?
[20:03]  * uninvited listens...
[20:03] <zoredache> nod
[20:03] <zoredache> no*
[20:03] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: OK. Are you planning to use the entie drive? Or dual-boot or something?
[20:03] <uninvited> lvm ?
[20:04] <pc-illiterate> its a slave drive but im using that 2nd drive for xubuntu only
[20:04] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: OK. There is nothing special you need to do. Just select that drive in the partition step of the installation
[20:05] <pc-illiterate> cool.
[20:05] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Have fun!
[20:05] <pc-illiterate> so install will ask which drive to install too then ?
[20:06] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Yes. you need to know the sizes of the hard drives you have.
[20:06] <pc-illiterate> thats easy lol
[20:06] <pc-illiterate> i have a 60 master and 20 slave
[20:07] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Let us know whether you run into any problems!
[20:07] <pc-illiterate> last question i think. do i need to install from reboot or can i install while im in windows ?
[20:08] <pc-illiterate> and you better believe i'll be back if i have a problem lol
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: You need to shutdown windows and boot from the cd.
[20:08] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: You burned the iso to cd, right?
[20:08] <pc-illiterate> ok....hopefully i'll be back with good news :D
[20:08] <pc-illiterate> yep
[20:09] <pc-illiterate>  the desktop/install cd
[20:09] <Odd-rationale> Put that cd in the drive before you turn your comp off.
[20:09] <Odd-rationale> And While your at it. Make sure that you burn ed the *contents* of the iso not the iso itself.
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> (a common problem, i did it myself)
[20:10] <pc-illiterate> actually i mounted it on daemon tools and copied it with nero
[20:10] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: So when your cd is in the drive, do you see one file, the iso, or several files and folder?
[20:11] <pc-illiterate> all the dif files n folders
[20:11] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Good. See if it boots...
[20:12] <pc-illiterate> it has before. i couldnt live cd because i dont have enough ram
[20:12] <pc-illiterate> ok im out if thats it...
[20:13] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: See you!
[20:13] <pc-illiterate> later man lol
[20:17] <guest8> Hi, I just installed xubuntu. Is there a graphical utility with which I can access samba shares or drag-n-drop files via ssh? In ubutu, nautilus can do that, but thunar doesn't seem to be able to do that.
[20:18] <Odd-rationale> guest8: Not in thunar...
[20:18] <guest8> Any other program that is automatically installed?
[20:18] <Odd-rationale> guest8: TGhis might help though: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[20:19] <guest8> What is TGhis?
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> *this
[20:19] <slow-motion> hi
[20:20] <zPliskiN> Hi, I have made new users on xubuntu, but for some reasons i lost complete access to system apps. how do you regive privileges with the sudo commands ?
[20:20] <guest8> Isn'T that forum article about creating shares? I only want to access them
[20:21] <zPliskiN> all my users lost their access to those apps like wireless manager, synaptic, updates, etc. i want to have complete access again
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> guest8: The forum post was about mounting samba share with thunar. It is a little different that simply accessing them though
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: Maybe you just need to add those users to their respective groups.
[20:22] <guest8> Well, ok, then thats not the ideal thing for me... I don't need to install the samba server on my xubuntu box.
[20:22] <zPliskiN> 1 group is in Root, and he has lost access as well
[20:22] <zPliskiN> isnt there a command like sudo create user - full access or whatever
[20:22] <Odd-rationale> guest8: It is the best we got with thunar :(
[20:22] <zPliskiN> just a way to create a supreme user of some sort.
[20:24] <guest8> Maybe an external application (not part of Thunar) hat supports drag'n'drop with files and folders?
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> guest8: I don't know... If you find one, let me know. I would be interested...
[20:25] <guest8> I know gFTP, but it doesn't support drag'n'drop
[20:26] <zoredache> guest8: you sould use something like afuse and fusesmb and sshfs
[20:27] <zoredache> basically you setup a direcotry, and whenever you browse into that directory it will automount through smb, ssh or whatever the resurce you need
[20:27] <guest8> wasn't exactly that described in the post?
[20:27] <zoredache> the drawback is that for it to be easy, you have to store your passwords in a file on your drive
[20:28] <guest8> Well, saving passwords in nautilus also saves them somewhere, so that wouldn'T matter ...
[20:28] <guest8> But I don't feel comfortable with installing the whole samba server to access shares, zoredache
[20:28] <guest8> !samba
[20:28] <ubotwo> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[20:29] <guest8> !smb
[20:29] <zoredache> guest8: you don't need the samba server to have smb fuse support
[20:29] <guest8> zoredache: Doesn't it say so in the post?
[20:29] <zoredache> I don't know...  I didn't read it
[20:30] <guest8> ITs this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[20:30] <Odd-rationale> guest8: There is xsmbrowser in the repos... I haven't tried though. But you can take a look?
[20:31] <guest8> aptitude show xsmbrowser says that it suggest nautilus, so it won'T work (drag'n'drop) with thunar?
[20:32] <zoredache> guest8: yes that article basically suggests the same solution....
[20:33] <guest8> What "same solution"? It doesn't say xsmbrowser anywhere
[20:33] <ghetto[kernel]> hi i have this problem, xfce dont want to show me higher resolutions than 800x600, although i have in xorg.conf 1024x768 as the only res available. ive been like this for at least two weeks, i have Xubuntu, many will say its a xorg problem but no, believe me, its xfce, how can i fix it or where can i edit the options xfce is showing me to change the res
[20:34] <guest8> Odd-rationale: Thanks, I'll try out xsmbrowser.
[20:34] <zoredache> guest8: the same solution as the one I had suggested 4 lines before....  afuse+fusesmb
[20:34] <guest8> zoredach: Ah, ok. So you do need the samba server
[20:34] <guest8> Bye
[20:34] <guest8> But I can use xsmbrowser now, I'll try it out.
[20:34] <zoredache> guest8: NO you do NOT need the server
[20:34] <Odd-rationale> guest8: Np. Like I said, I haven't tried it myself. Let me know if it works..
[20:35] <zoredache> fusesmb does not depend on the samba server
[20:35] <guest8> zoredach: Doesn#t it say so in step 1: This will install thesamba server
[20:35] <zoredache> the article is lieing to you
[20:35] <zoredache> you don't need it
[20:36] <guest8> So excluding step 1 still works?
[20:36] <zoredache> it should, yes
[20:37] <guest8> I don't see where to set the specific server and share to mount.
[20:38] <guest8> Well, probably you can find better articles about fusesmb via google that don't lie.
[20:38] <guest8> And that tell you how to set the share and server
[20:39] <guest8> I'll think about which approach I favor (mounting or client program), thanks.
[20:40] <guest8> Bye
[20:40]  * zoredache grumbles to myself... one of these days I am going to have to document my procedure, cause all the current one suck  
[20:41] <dezrik> lol
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> zoredache: Start a wiki article...
[20:42] <zoredache> I know, I should, I have just been lazy... but the same question is asked so many times, I would probably make things easier of I just wrong down my directions
[20:45] <dezrik> does xubuntu have a CALC program?
[20:45] <dezrik> nevermind
[20:49] <zPliskiN> how you setup full access to a user ?
[20:50] <Odd-rationale> Try adding that user to the admin group.
[20:50] <zPliskiN> i can't for some reasons, all my users have no access
[20:50] <zPliskiN> even those that were super users
[20:50] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: How did that happen?
[20:50] <zPliskiN> i don't know. it was fine yesterday, today not.
[20:50] <zoredache> if you really broke things, you should be able to reboot into rescue mode and adduser to admin
[20:51] <zPliskiN> how do i boot secure mode ?
[20:51] <zPliskiN> pop cd in and go with menu ?
[20:51] <ghetto[kernel]> have any of u had a problem where the resolutions configured in xorg.conf are not the ones xfce is showing and then u got stucked in an 800x600 or 640x480 maybe
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: Reboot. and when you have the screen that says loading grub, press escape. then select reovery mode
[20:51] <zoredache> rebot, press the escape key in the two seconds grub prompts you... then you'll see a menu
[20:52] <zPliskiN> aight. will try
[20:52] <zoredache> the cammand once you get there  is 'addser {username} admin' or in your case perhaps 'adduser zpliskin admin'
[20:52] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: When you are there try "gpasswd -a <user> admin"
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: Then do "reboot"
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> zoredache: We're just echoing each other... :)
[20:53] <zPliskiN> i try to modify the sudoers, but everytime it says "user not in sudoers. error will be reported" or whatever
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: Is that how you lost root access?
[20:55] <zPliskiN> i use xubuntu
[20:57] <zPliskiN> is there a way to create a new user with the sudo that has access. so i can delete all other users and just remake them or something ?
[20:58] <zoredache> if no users currently have access then you are going to need to restart and give users access in the rescue mode
[20:58] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: Try our suggestion first. Reboot into reveroy mode, and at the prompt to "gpasswd -a <user> admin" then reboot
[20:58] <zoredache> if you where updating your sudoers file and it doesn't have the required 'admin' entry then you may need to fix that while you are in recovery mode
[20:59] <zPliskiN> just starting in recovery mode
[20:59] <entity> anyone tried cnet's wireless cards for xubuntu? It should work but it would be nice to hear someones experience
[21:00] <zPliskiN> whats the difference between gpassword and "adduser ?
[21:00] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: It is "gpasswd"
[21:01] <zPliskiN> yeah
[21:01] <Odd-rationale> the difference is whether you want to modify an account or create a new one.
[21:01] <zPliskiN> whats the difference between those 2 commands
[21:01] <zPliskiN> ah
[21:01] <zPliskiN> will adduser <user> admin work ?
[21:01] <zoredache> adduser is a perl script that calls the lower level tools.. it does more error checking I think
[21:01] <zPliskiN> so gpasswd is better ?
[21:01] <zoredache> for what you are doing it won't make a difference
[21:02] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: Do you want to create a new user?
[21:02] <zoredache> both tools will make the exact same change
[21:02] <zPliskiN> yes
[21:02] <zPliskiN> i'll make new account, edit the current ones, and restart so everything works
[21:02] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: Then go ahead.
[21:02] <zPliskiN> gpasswd ?
[21:03] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: You can "man adduser" and "man gpasswd" to read about them.
[21:03] <pc-illiterate> problems....
[21:03] <zPliskiN> "adding user <user> to group admin"
[21:03] <zPliskiN> means it worked ?
[21:03] <zoredache> yes
[21:04] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: What's up?
[21:04] <zPliskiN> now i reboot ?
[21:04] <Odd-rationale> zPliskiN: Yes
[21:04] <zPliskiN> alright. but seriously, it did it alone. like sometimes the terminal doesnt detect commands. i close it, reopen, and it works
[21:04] <pc-illiterate> after i hit enter to start or install it went thru the progress bar then i got a black screen
[21:04] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: How much ram you got?
[21:05] <pc-illiterate> 256
[21:05] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: hmm. Try the alternative install cd.
[21:05] <pc-illiterate> the straight install cd ?
[21:05] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: Yes. text mode install
[21:05] <zPliskiN> quick question as well : i use a laptop p4 2.4 ghz, 1gb ram, ati 9000 mobility. is it better to run kubuntu or xubuntu ?
[21:06] <pc-illiterate> text mode install..... what ?
[21:06] <dezrik> xubuntu would be faster
[21:06] <zoredache> zPliskiN: on that system both should run, it will be better to run which enviroment fits your needs
[21:06] <Odd-rationale> !alternative
[21:06] <ubotwo> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal
[21:06] <zPliskiN> i have no idea what kubuntu does more than xubuntu. i just put xubuntu cause thats what i use for my PS3
[21:07] <pc-illiterate> i hate to sound stupid but, what do i do install with the install cd
[21:07] <TheSheep> zPliskiN: just use the one you are more comfortable with
[21:07] <zoredache> zPliskiN: kubuntu is more windows-like... it has more tools and functionality in areas
[21:08] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: What do you mean? Could you elaborate a bit?
[21:08] <zPliskiN> is there an easy way to go from xubuntu to kubuntu ?
[21:09] <zoredache> zPliskiN: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should install everything you need
[21:09] <pc-illiterate> you said text mode install. i doubt i would know what to do after i start-up
[21:09] <zPliskiN> and replace the files ? i don't have a big harddrive, so i don't want both there taking gbs for nothing
[21:09] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: It is quite intuitive. Just select the options you want. I can help you through it if needed...
[21:10] <zoredache> no, that would have both installed... If you are low on disk space, then you can remove the extra packages
[21:10] <pc-illiterate> if it all comes up on-screen i can figure it out. i just know nothing of text input
[21:11] <zoredache> if you just want to experiement you might want to download the kubuntu livecd and try that first.
[21:11] <zPliskiN> what you mean ?
[21:12] <zPliskiN> can i just burn the kubuntu cd, pop it in my pc with xubuntu and follow an installation ?
[21:12] <zoredache> zPliskiN: I am saying, that if you use a livecd, you can experiement with kubuntu before installing it
[21:12] <zPliskiN> ah ok
[21:12] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: It has a "console gui" if you can install xp, it should be no problem for yo
[21:12] <zoredache> if you want kubuntu only, you can do the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, but removing the extra stuff is a bit tricky
[21:12] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: You barely have enough ram to do a livecd
[21:12] <pc-illiterate> good. all i have left is music cd-r's....it will burn to that no prob right ?
[21:13] <pc-illiterate> i dont have enough. it tells me i need 360+
[21:13] <zPliskiN> it took me like 6 h to install wireless drivers
[21:13] <zPliskiN> i don't want to do that again
[21:13] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: The text mode intall cd only needs 64 mb of ram
[21:14] <pc-illiterate> ok. my music cd-r's will work fine though ?
[21:14] <Odd-rationale> i belive so. never tried
[21:15] <pc-illiterate> ok im gunna give this another go. hopefully i'll be back with better results
[21:15] <pc-illiterate> thanks again
[21:15] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: np
[21:19] <pc-illiterate> crap. 1 more. 7.10 or 6.06 ? does it matter ?
[21:20] <Odd-rationale> pc-illiterate: 7.10
[21:21] <pc-illiterate> ok. i feel so stupid
[21:23] <dezrik> its ok every 1st timer feel stupid
[21:23] <dezrik> its like learning everything you know about computers in a different way
[21:23] <pc-illiterate> well im a point n clicker
[21:26] <dezrik> ive been on windows since i was 11
[21:26] <dezrik> just made the switch to Linux cold turkey
[21:27] <pc-illiterate> i started on 98se in 99 and then bought this pc. i havent done a lot but play games and fight trojans and viruses
[21:27] <dezrik> me2
[21:27] <dezrik> i started in WIn95 and worked my way up
[21:27] <dezrik> skipped WInME tho
[21:28] <pc-illiterate> ive heard hackers dont bother with linux as much cause its not as widely used. seems like a good enough reason to go to linux
[21:29] <dezrik> I think its about the same
[21:29] <dezrik> people who hack linux boxes are usually very intelligent and don't make mistakes to get caughjt
[21:29] <dezrik> any kid can hack windows just by readint tutorials
[21:30] <TheSheep> dezrik: same with linux
[21:30] <TheSheep> dezrik: even easier
[21:30] <TheSheep> linux was made to be easy to play with
[21:30] <pc-illiterate> so xp is still the best OS to run games on ?
[21:30] <TheSheep> pc-illiterate: no, playstation is better
[21:31] <pc-illiterate> ha
[21:31] <pc-illiterate> ha
[21:31] <TheSheep> honest
[21:31] <pc-illiterate> i'd rather buy a new pc than a ps3
[21:32] <TheSheep> I'm not telling you to buy anything
[21:32] <pc-illiterate> i only play CS and UT on this pc. its too old for anything else
[21:32] <TheSheep> I think UT has a linux version
[21:32] <TheSheep> the engine for it, I mean
[21:32] <TheSheep> not sure
[21:32] <pc-illiterate> i just figured id use wine
[21:35] <dezrik> i play UT99
[21:35] <dezrik> lol
[21:35] <pc-illiterate> i play tactical ops:assault on terror more than ut99
[22:12] <entity> how do i take screenshots in xubuntu?
[22:12] <TheSheep> entity: 1) there is a panel plugin, 2) you can use gimp's file->aquire->screenshot, 3) you can install scrot and bind it your your printscreen key in keyboard setting
[22:13] <entity> TheSheep: whats that panel plugin?
[22:13] <TheSheep> an icon for your panel
[22:14] <TheSheep> right click on the panel, select add item and select the camera from the list
[22:17] <entity> TheSheep: thx alot
[22:37] <Baldone> hello I need help installing ubuntu
[22:37] <zoredache> what problem are you having?
[22:38] <Baldone> my laptop take to long to run the live disk so I download the 6 ver and take forever
[22:38] <Baldone> is there any installer it don't do the live cd
[22:39] <zoredache> yes... use the alternate installers
[22:39] <zoredache> !alternate
[22:39] <ubotwo> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal
[22:40] <Baldone> i checked the box and it still does not work
[22:40] <Baldone> what is the text mold look like because it still looks like the live cd
[22:41] <Baldone> when it start installing
[22:42] <TheSheep> Baldone: http://php.8ez.com/drsmall/blog/wp-content/screenshot-14.png
[22:42] <zoredache> what was the name of the iso you got?  the altnernate cd would have a filename like xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso
[22:42] <Baldone> let me look on my other computer
[22:45] <Baldone> ubuntu 6.06.1 desktop 386'
[22:46] <Baldone> and did the ubuntu 7.10 alternate
[23:46] <sectech> Is xubuntu functional enough (ie: power management, wireless) to be ran on a laptop?