[04:49] <kgoetz> i just checked the edubuntu time - its probably 7am for me tomorrow, so i might be able to make it
[08:25] <Nubae> anyone know if firefox-3.0 is beta 3 or 4?
[08:25] <Nubae> in the gutsy repos
[08:26] <Nubae> I'll ask in ubuntu, stupid question for here
[08:52] <bdgraue> Nubae: beta3 is in the repos
[08:53] <bdgraue> Nubae: in gutsy-backports
[09:31] <highvoltage> 864150K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 99% (shew, getting there)
[09:31] <ogra_cmpc_> todays image is slightly broken
[09:32] <ogra_cmpc_> (missng xorg.conf)
[09:37] <Nubae> wonder if firefox 3 beta 4 fixes printing issues
[09:37] <Nubae> doesnt say in their changelogs
[09:55] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: my md5sum doesn't match yours :'(
[09:56] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc_: could I rsync my image (from yesterday) with yours somehow?
[09:56] <highvoltage> perhaps I should just give it a go anyway...
[10:13] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: my md5sum doesn't match yours
[10:13] <Nubae> I'm trying to add printers from the command line like so: lpadmin -p hplj -v socket://192.168.0.65:9100/ -E
[10:14] <Nubae> from within a chroot (low fat client)
[10:14] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, you didnt download the .img while i wa uploading it, were you ?
[10:14] <ogra_cmpc> *was
[10:14] <Nubae> asks for root pass, which I put in and it doesn't recognise, then afterwards throws me out after I hit enter with lpadmin: Unauthorized
[10:15] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: nope, it's yesterday's image
[10:15] <Nubae> don't get it, I'm the root user already, why is it asking for a password, and why is not recognising that password?
[10:15] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: could I rsync it from somewhere to this image? or should I give this image a go anyway?
[10:15] <ogra_cmpc> i dont think theer is an rwsync perocess running on people
[10:16] <ogra_cmpc> check if it boots
[10:16] <highvoltage> ok
[10:16] <ogra_cmpc> dding it costs you less than a new dowload
[10:20] <highvoltage> indeed.
[10:20] <ogra_cmpc> i just re-checked, the md5sum is fine
[10:21] <highvoltage> thanks ogra_cmpc. I'll see what it does when I try to install it, after that I'll download it from a machine at work that wouldn't have any interruptions
[10:22] <Nubae> gah, I get connection refused anyway from the low fat client, so much for getting printers to work
[10:30] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, note that todays image is better but has a nonexistent xorg.conf
[10:32] <Nubae> i guess just changing /etc/cups/cupsd.conf from LISTEN localhost:631 to LISTEN:server-ip:631 should work
[10:33] <Nubae> btw, some people have emailed me asking me when ltsp-build-lowfat-client will be in ubuntu, I told them you were quite busy at the moment, but that it was scheduled for a future release
[10:34] <ogra_cmpc> ugh
[10:34] <ogra_cmpc> i hope you wrote it in a way that we can use it as modules to ltsp-buildclient
[10:34] <ogra_cmpc> ltsp-build-client
[10:35] <ogra_cmpc> s/modules/plugins
[10:35] <Nubae> I've done nothing but make a howto and test so far
[10:35] <ogra_cmpc> ah, k
[10:35] <Nubae> I would not do that to you :-)
[10:35] <ogra_cmpc> well, the implementation should be done through ltsp-build-client pluguns ...
[10:36] <Nubae> yeah like current kiosk or myth implementations I guess
[10:36] <ogra_cmpc> laga has done some awesome work for the mythtv diskless client ...
[10:36] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[10:36] <Nubae> yeah I looked at that
[10:36] <Nubae> but there is still a lot to test before having a usable 'low fat' solution
[10:37] <Nubae> but people seem interested so others are testing it too now, always helpful
[10:42] <RichEd> ping ogra ...
[10:43] <RichEd> i'd like to save a copy of the 7.10 classmate image ... but seem to have deleted the install file ... is there a way to "recover it" from the working install on the cmpc ?
[10:45]  * laga hears his name
[10:46] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, yes, a tricky one ... plug in the key with the new image and edit the syslinux.cfg file .... drop init=/sbin/cmpcinstaller
[10:46] <bdgraue> hi laga :)
[10:46] <ogra_cmpc> then you can boot the new image and use it to sqave the old one to a second usb disk
[10:47] <RichEd> i don't have a second USB big enough ... any other suggestions ? ... could i use the new image to copy the old one across a network to another machines hdd ?
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> you can install the new image to an external disk
[10:49] <ogra_cmpc> the new installer allows that
[10:50] <ogra_cmpc> so if you have a spare usb key, use that one and keep the old one on the internal disk
[10:50] <ogra_cmpc> s/old one/old install/
[10:55] <Nuba1> darn, changing /etc/cups/cupsd.conf made no difference in the chroot, still defaults to trying to connect locally
[11:03] <laga> ogra_cmpc: http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/134 <- does this look familiar? :)
[11:07] <ogra_cmpc> haha
[11:07] <ogra_cmpc> cool to see someone uses it
[11:08] <laga> yes, superm1 added it..
[11:08] <laga> now i just need to add dhcpd.conf wrangling to the control centre
[11:08] <ogra_cmpc> very nice
[11:09] <ogra_cmpc> the first code of LTSPManager had some pretty cool code to handle dhcpd.conf
[11:10] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: did you poke pitti/slangasek about the iTalc FFe ?
[11:10] <laga> i was just going to sed -i /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf -e s/192.168.0/<network>/g ;)
[11:10] <ogra_cmpc> sadly i never came around to implement qa write function for it but the ui parts ()ecpecially teh automatic interaction of teh values) was something i was pretty proud of
[11:10] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, i fear we need to patch
[11:10] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: yes, me too :(
[11:11] <laga> ogra_cmpc: http://laga.ath.cx/mythbuntu-diskless-mcc3.png <- i'm not sure if i've shown you the complete MCC section before
[11:11] <laga> ogra_cmpc: i'll take a look at it, maybe i can steal something again :)
[11:11] <ogra_cmpc> you clearly need to meet mpt some day (our UI specialist)
[11:11] <ogra_cmpc> i'v seen the myth control tool before
[11:12] <ogra_cmpc> it scares me
[11:12]  * laga comforts ogra_cmpc 
[11:12] <laga> i'll agree that the diskless tab has room for.. lots of improvement in the usability dept ;)
[11:12] <ogra_cmpc> if i click "revert gui", do i actually get to see the back of my window ?
[11:12] <laga> still better than doing everything in a shell
[11:13] <laga> ogra_cmpc: only if you have compiz installed
[11:13] <ogra_cmpc> the button suggests that somehow :)
[11:13] <ogra_cmpc> indeed, its good to have a ui tool
[11:13] <laga> if you ever tried to configure LIRC manually, you'll love MCC
[11:14] <ogra_cmpc> i never had the need to :)
[11:31] <juliux> hey ogra_cmpc
[11:45] <RichEd> == edubuntu meeting = in #ubuntu-meeting == in 15 mins
[11:46] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: can i run the image from yesterday off the USB or does it need to be installed ?
[11:46] <ogra_cmpc> as i said, you need to modify it to run it as normal image
[11:46] <ogra_cmpc> hey juliux
[11:49] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, suchix contact me, he said there is a school in kassel that get a lot of igel thinclients sponsored but they are not working out of the box with edubuntu, can you help them?
[11:49] <ogra_cmpc> yeah he pinged me already
[11:49] <juliux> cool
[11:50] <ogra_cmpc> given that i didnt get more than 3h sleep for the last week i doubt i'll have time before release
[11:50] <juliux> ok
[11:50] <ogra_cmpc> (3h per day that is indeed :) )
[11:51] <ogra_cmpc> do they match the minimal reqs ?
[11:51]  * ogra_cmpc suspects its either lack of ram or they have an amd videocard
[12:03] <RichEd> == edubuntu meeting = in #ubuntu-meeting == now
[12:05] <RichEd> ogra / ogra_cmpc ? you up for the meeting ?
[12:05] <ogra_cmpc> oh, i totally forgot ...
[12:07] <Nuba1> hey laga, did u ever try to get your mythtv thin clients to print?
[12:12] <laga> no
[12:12] <laga> (why would i do that ;))
[12:13] <Nuba1> print screen?
[12:14] <laga> no
[12:14] <Nuba1> I'm trying to figure out how exactly cups and ubuntu's printer config work together
[12:14] <laga> video playback is good enough#
[12:14] <laga> Nuba1: i use kde anyways ;)
[12:14] <Nuba1> yeah, I'm trying to do this for my low fat clients
[12:14] <Nuba1> everything else seems to work now
[12:32] <RichEd> ogra & ogra_cmpc : ping
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> missed the meeting?
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought it was changed to not be for another 8 hours :|
[12:38] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: you asked yesterday, and i did say 12h00 UTC :/
[12:38] <RichEd> but raise issues topics here ...
[12:38] <calimer> H man there is also #ubuntu :D
[12:38] <Hirato> I should probably ask this in the ubuntu channel, but does the packages for ubuntu contain only the binaries for one type of system, or for many (like 32 bit and 64 bit)
[12:38] <RichEd> Hirato: there is a 32 bit CD and a 64 bit CD
[12:39] <Hirato> well, I'm on 32 bit, and am trying to compile a binary for 64 bit :P
[12:39] <calimer> so sounds like we'd have to do a 32 bit and 64 bit package
[12:40] <calimer> 4 packages + win X\
[12:40] <Hirato> and there's very few lib64 results that return if I do a search of the hardy repos
[12:40] <RichEd> Hirato / calimer : give me some background and reference to the requirement / question please
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, you did, but i thought the email to edubuntu-devel said 21:00 :(
[12:40] <RichEd> i may be able to direct you to an accurate answer
[12:40] <calimer> RichEd http://kids.platinumarts.net
[12:40]  * RichEd will check that in a few mins ...thanks
[12:43] <highvoltage> ogra: it didn't boot :-/
[12:43] <highvoltage> I'll have to download the image again then
[12:43] <ogra_cmpc_> yeah
[12:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> was there anything i should have seen at the meeting? (i was at SA AUUG, so i wasnt near bandwidth)
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all, i have to crash
[12:59] <RichEd> Hirato & calimer ... that sort of question would be best in #ubuntu-devel
[13:00] <calimer> thanks RichEd :)
[13:00] <RichEd> but, mvo, our master of the masters of the universe has kindly popped in here ... he's under freeze deadline
[13:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hirato, the 32/64 question should be asked in #ubuntu (the answer is that its arch specific)
[13:00] <RichEd> (tomorrow)
[13:00] <ogra_cmpc_> rather #ubuntu-motu :)
[13:00] <Hirato> heh, thanks
[13:00] <ogra_cmpc_> if its about new packages
[13:00] <RichEd> but could give you a few minutes of time for concise questions
[13:01] <RichEd> i'd suggest you pop up the questions, and calmly keep an eye out for a reponse while you carry on with other work
[13:01] <mvo> RichEd: dholbach is really the master of the master, but I'm sure I can help as well
[13:02] <RichEd> mvo: sorry dholbach was my first thought, but then doubted my memory ... brain is currently simmering, if not fried
[13:02] <Hirato> well, I just wanted to install some 64 bit bins in my 32 bit system, so I could compiel a 64 bit binary
[13:02] <Hirato> wanted 64bit SDL libs
[13:03] <mvo> Hirato: if you want to make a 64bit package its probably easiest if you just use the launchpad PPA facility, give me a sec to dig out the link
[13:04] <mvo> Hirato: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart
[13:05] <mvo> Hirato: the way it works is that you create a ubuntu/debian source package and upload it to launchpad. that will then take care of the building for both i386 and amd64
[13:05] <Nuba1> neat
[13:05] <ogra_cmpc_> or send you nice mails if it cant :)
[13:05] <ogra_cmpc_> i.e. your app isnt buildable on 64bit or so
[13:06] <Hirato> it's buildable
[13:06] <Hirato> I got it to compile as such, but it just had issues with linking the executable
[13:06]  * RichEd extends thanks to mvo for assisting ...
[13:07] <RichEd> back in a bit ... s*** shower & shave ... in an attempt to refresh the brain
[14:06] <Nubae> cool, got printers working on my low fat clients =)
[14:29] <willvdl> ola compadres
[14:33] <CorporateMusk> willvdl: hola
[14:37] <ogra_cmpc__> oh, will was here ?
[14:37] <ogra_cmpc__> i didnt even notice, bah
[16:53] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, have you seen the grandpa of the classmate ? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/cbm.jpg
[16:54]  * highvoltage opens link
[16:54] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: haha!
[16:54] <highvoltage> I had an Apple ][ once that was even bulkier and uglier than that.
[16:55] <ogra_cmpc> thats a beauty !
[16:55] <ogra_cmpc> bulky ...
[16:55] <ogra_cmpc> ugly ... tsk
[16:55] <ogra_cmpc> i would pay money to have one catching dust in my corridor
[16:55] <highvoltage> oh, me too
[16:56] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[16:56] <highvoltage> (if you're talking about the commodore)
[16:59] <ogra_cmpc> indeed
[17:00] <ogra_cmpc> well, i wouldnt mind an apple ][ either
[17:00] <ogra_cmpc> but i wouldnt pay for it
[17:01] <highvoltage> I wish I had the space for things like that. I remember I mostly learned to read by typing in silly little basic programs from magazines into a ZX Spectrum
[17:01] <highvoltage> those were the days :)
[17:01] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[17:02] <ogra_cmpc> i had a VIC20 with a /real keyboard/
[17:08] <highvoltage> oh, cool!
[17:22] <johnny> ogra_cmpc, libxklavier 3.5 should include the patch necessary to make sabayon work in 2.22
[17:24] <ogra_cmpc> ogra@ceron:~$ apt-cache show libxklavier12|grep Version
[17:24] <ogra_cmpc> Version: 3.5-1
[17:24] <johnny> aha.. :)
[17:24] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[17:24] <ogra_cmpc> good
[17:24] <johnny> sorry, not on hardy atm
[17:25] <johnny> i don't have enough ram to keep my various vm up all the time
[17:35] <subsume|work> Does Dvanassche hang out in here?
[17:35] <subsume|work> He's been updating https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
[17:44] <ogra_cmpc> subsume|work, not under that nick at least
[17:44] <subsume|work> hmpf.
[17:45] <ogra_cmpc> noth sure whats the real name of Nubae ... bu he's playing extensively with fat client stuff the last weeks
[17:45] <ogra_cmpc> so might probably be him
[17:45] <subsume|work> Nubae in here?
[19:48] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc, ogra : bug 201536
[19:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201536 in italc "FF exception, new release of iTalc (1.0.7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201536
[19:54] <pygi> oh noes, italc again xD
[20:40] <jbrefort> hi bdoin
[20:44] <bdoin> hi