[00:09] <allee> Maybe someone feels like verifying the patch in bug 201053 ?
[00:09] <ubot3> Malone bug 201053 in digikam "[Hardy] digikam duplicates downloaded images while overwriting existing ones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201053
[00:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it does seem stable
[00:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what ?
[00:12] <Tonio_> allee: I can't, no camera here
[00:12] <Tonio_> allee: but I can upload once you confirm the patch is good
[00:13] <allee> Tonio_: okay, I'll ping you in this case
[00:13] <Tonio_> please do
[00:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: konversation svn
[00:18] <nixternal_> Mibbit FTW!
[00:20] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: servers ftw.
[00:22] <nixternal_> ya, but we can't ssh out of this damn classroom
[00:22] <nixternal_> I have been trying to figure out the telnet username/password to this router so I can fix that
[00:22] <nixternal_> I can stop everyone's connection, that is about it
[00:24] <jjesse> grumble stupid online banking sucks
[00:25] <ScottK2> nixternal_: Setting up sshd to listen also on a non-standard port on the server won't work?
[00:26] <jjesse> nixternal_: you could always pay attention?
[00:26] <nixternal_> what for?
[00:26] <nixternal_> this is a stupid db class
[00:27] <nixternal_> I am working on bugs anyways
[00:27] <nixternal_> ScottK2: this guy sitting next to me asked if we use Bugzilla and I said no, then I told what we use and he asked if it was free and I said no, then he made fun of us and "free"
[00:30] <nixternal_>  1 ryanakca 120
[00:30] <nixternal_> ryanakca: just know that I am now coming after you
[00:30] <nixternal_> I want the top spot and I don't like getting dethroned....careful now :p
[00:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum oki
[00:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: btw, going with svn version now seems to be a bit arch to me.....
[00:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: would probably annoy sho, yes.
[00:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we have to discuss this with Riddell
[00:33] <Riddell> hmm?
[00:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: konversation svn :)
[00:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like konversation will be released just after hardy...
[00:35] <Hobbsee> yay
[00:39] <jjesse> yay
[00:39] <jjesse> quick question, right now best way to upgrade form gutsy to hardy to just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and do a dist-upgrade?  or is there a better way?
[00:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't sound worth it
[00:46] <Riddell> jjesse: test the new dist upgrader!
[00:47] <Riddell> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/hardy.tar.gz
[00:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's also my opinion
[00:49] <jjesse> Riddell: testing it now then :)
[00:49] <jjesse> Riddell: anything special i need to do?
[00:51] <jjesse> hrmm i wonder how this works w/ kde4 installed
[00:51] <jjesse> i guess i will be testing it
[00:53] <Riddell> jjesse: runtar, run ./dist-upgrade, hope it works
[00:53] <Riddell> and please let me know
[00:54] <jjesse> Riddell: ok started dist-upgrade and will let you know how it goes
[00:54] <jjesse> currently modifiying the software channels
[00:56] <jjesse> Riddell: if you ar estill there, have an error message want to me use the report bug feature?
[00:57] <Riddell> jjesse: please
[00:57] <jjesse> report the bug?
[00:57] <Riddell> yes
[00:57] <Riddell> is there a backtrace?
[00:58] <jjesse> no i get a message "An unresovleable problem occured whilce caluclating the upgrade"  full screenshot
[00:59] <Riddell> hrm
[01:01] <jjesse> bug 201249
[01:01] <ubot3> Malone bug 201249 in update-manager "[Hardy] update-manager could not calculate the upgrade due to a pre-release version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201249
[01:02] <Riddell> jjesse: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[01:03] <jjesse> yes, already the newest version
[01:04] <Riddell> jjesse: newest hardy version?
[01:05] <jjesse> Riddell: currently running gutsy
[01:06] <jjesse> Riddell: attached main.log and apt.log
[01:08] <Riddell> hrm
[01:08] <Riddell> I'll ask mvo about it in the morning
[01:08] <Riddell> thanks for testing
[01:10] <jjesse> Riddell: np i don't have internet access until late at night so i can test tomorrow if you email me or ping me once i get online
[01:46] <jjesse> !info firefox hardy
[01:46] <ubot3> firefox: meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 61 kB, installed size 128 kB
[01:46] <jjesse> firefox 3.0 correct?
[01:46] <jjesse> for hardy?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> afaik, yes
[01:52] <jjesse> thanks Hobbsee
[01:52] <jjesse> hello btw
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:54] <nixternal> hola
[02:54] <nixternal> como estas
[03:00] <jjesse> muy bein e tu?
[03:01] <nixternal> asi asi
[03:01] <nixternal> I think I spelled that wrong
[03:01] <nixternal> a si a si or asi asi
[03:01] <jjesse> whatever
[03:01] <nixternal> can't remember...been a long time
[03:02] <jjesse> me too
[03:02] <nixternal> I don't know what to do tonight
[03:03] <jjesse> go to bed?
[03:05] <nixternal> that is boring
[03:05] <nixternal> I went to bed the other night early, and watched all 4 of the "revenge of the nerds" movies
[03:05] <nixternal> those movies are just classic
[03:07] <jjesse> they are classic
[03:08] <nixternal> jjesse: what are we going to do with KDE 4 docs this go round? Just a About/Release Notes?
[03:08] <nixternal> we don't have enough time to document everything, and honestly our efforts could be better focused with upstream documentation
[03:11] <jjesse> nixternal: i think so
[03:11]  * nixternal thinks you should just copy and paste from the book chapter :p
[03:12] <nixternal> that would save a bunch of time
[03:12] <jjesse> as khelpcenter sucks
[03:12] <nixternal> oh, I am now the full-time Edubuntu writer for the book...hahahaha
[03:12] <jjesse> haha sucks to be u
[03:12] <vorian> evening :)
[03:13] <nixternal> evening
[03:13] <jjesse> evening vorian
[03:47] <yuriy> Mez: ping
[04:25] <yuriy> mornfall: checkboxes on search list and detail view are still not synced
[04:29] <yuriy> mornfall: clicking fetch package lists when in read only mode causes a crash
[04:30] <yuriy> just leaving you those notes ^^ for the morning because i'll forget later
[04:39] <nixternal> yuriy: thanks for setting up the Hug Day stuff
[04:40]  * ScottK2 cheers for a guidance-power-manager crash NOT caused by his latest upload.
[04:42] <nixternal> hehe
[04:58] <yuriy> nixternal: :)
[04:58]  * yuriy gives up on hadoop and sleeps
[05:08] <Hobbsee> freaking launchpad.l.
[07:09] <mornfall> yuriy: Yes, the update functionality has no error checking, other than abort().
[07:09] <mornfall> yuriy: As for checkboxes, I have added that to TODO so I hopefully don't forget for alpha5.
[07:29] <mornfall> yuriy: Ok, fixed.
[07:29] <mornfall> Wasn't that hard.
[07:36] <mornfall> yuriy: (Also, now update/apply buttons are disabled in read only mode).
[07:36] <mornfall> yuriy: (pushed)
[08:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldn't knetworkmanager be started in KDE 4 as well?
[08:40] <apachelogger> autostart that is
[09:36] <serega> hmm... kioexec doesn't finishes when children process does :(
[09:37] <serega> s/finishes/finish
[10:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: it should be now, we moved the file to /etx/xdg/autostart
[10:10] <Mez> yuriy, pong
[10:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: doesn't work for me currently
[10:14] <apachelogger> I have to do some investigation
[10:17] <apachelogger> I just had a desktop file conflict on this system
[10:18] <apachelogger> hooray for xdg/autostart
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: we changed default settings to qtcurve before it was accepted ? :)
[10:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: how do you mean accepted?
[10:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: MIR accepted and package in main, and kubuntu-desktop depends on it :)
[10:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: MIR accepted and package in main happened yesterday
[10:27] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[10:31] <xRaich[o]2x> stdin: Hi. Apachelogger told me to ask you about the kdemultimedia und sdk packets for 4.0.2. They are missing.
[10:32] <Riddell> Loads of space on the kubuntu-kde4 CDs today!
[10:32] <Riddell> spose I should put openoffice on
[10:34] <smarter> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/trunk is (imho) ready for release!
[10:36] <Riddell> smarter: does it include a kde 4 package?
[10:36] <smarter> It's the same package, like kds
[10:36] <smarter> For ten .desktop files I don't think it will be worth it ;)
[10:37] <Riddell> smarter: then it can't Depend on konqueror
[10:37] <Riddell> smarter: make it a Suggests: konqueror, konqueror-kde4
[10:37] <smarter> ok
[10:38] <smarter> I'll update the description too
[10:38] <xRaich[o]2x> stdin: oh and kdegraphics too. Forgot about that.
[10:53] <mvo> could someone with pyqt knowledge have a look at #186157 please?
[10:55] <Riddell> mvo: hmm, I'll add to my todo
[11:01] <mvo> thanks Riddell, maybe its enough to use something like utf8() from update-manager there
[11:03] <Riddell> mvo: new dist upgrade tool is working great here
[11:03] <mvo> Riddell: wonderful, thanks a lot for the testing
[11:03] <Riddell> mvo: the text area needs set to readOnly and I need to test conf file resolution
[11:05] <mvo> Riddell: I have a custom "keyPressEvent()" to support basic line editing there. so the debconf readline protocol will work on the terminal and shell calls for stuff like "read" should also work
[11:05] <mvo> Riddell: I think the reason for not setting it ReadOnly was that I need it writable to support backspace entering in ther "terminal"
[11:06] <Riddell> backspace entering?
[11:07] <mvo> Riddell: yes, the text area supports basic termianl capabilities, and this includes that backspace will move the cursor and delte the last char. I tested that with the debconf readline interface
[11:08] <mvo> Riddell:  #186157 should be fixed now
[11:11] <Riddell> mvo: it seems to be using debconf for a conf file update (/etc/samba/smb.conf)
[11:11] <Riddell> is that expected?
[11:11] <mvo> Riddell: you can run "python DistUpradeViewKDE.py $packagename" and it will install or remove the package you give it. good for testing (be careful, it will remove a installed one). I usually test with stuff like "2vcard" or similar harmless packages
[11:11] <mvo> Riddell: that is more likely that this is ucf
[11:11] <mvo> Riddell: and not a real conffile prompt
[11:11] <Riddell> ucf?
[11:12] <mvo> Riddell: its a configuration managment system
[11:12] <mvo> Riddell: apt-cache show ucf
[11:12] <Riddell> mvo: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/conffile.png
[11:13] <mvo> its a fancy way to merge changes from upstream and users together
[11:13] <mvo> yes, that looks like ucf
[11:13] <Riddell> ok
[11:13] <Riddell> so at least I know debconf works :)
[11:14] <mvo> :)
[11:16] <Riddell> mvo: plenty of space on today's kubuntu-kde4 CDs, looks like your apt changes work
[11:16] <mvo> aha, nice
[11:16]  * mvo hugs Riddell
[11:17]  * mvo goes for lunch but will read scrollback
[11:17] <Riddell> I see you used the utf workaround for bug 186157, good stuff
[11:17] <ubot3> Malone bug 186157 in language-selector "qt-language-selector has bad char encoding" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186157
[11:17] <Riddell> everyone group hug mvo!
[11:32] <Riddell> smarter: is kks good to upload?
[11:40] <serega> I am filing a bug, buggy executable is in pkdelibs4c2a, what should I specify in launchpad 'Package' field? kdelibs4c2a or just kdelibs? Set "hardy" as a tag?
[11:40] <Riddell> kdelibs
[11:40] <Riddell> no tags needed
[11:40] <serega> thanks
[11:45] <Riddell> mvo: hmm, todays kubuntu live CDs are missing a lot of packages
[11:45] <Riddell> mvo: I'm not sure the pattern but lots of kubuntu-desktop Recommends: are missing
[11:46] <Riddell> mvo: possibly its the packages from desktop-kubuntu-common which are missing
[11:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: how does kdelibs.pot look today?
[12:01] <Tonio_> lemme look
[12:05] <mvo> Riddell: oh :( that sounds like the fix was not that good then
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks good :)
[12:07] <Tonio_> just waiting for the new translation packs
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: great
[12:07] <smarter> "[12:32] <Riddell> smarter: is kks good to upload?" I think so
[12:07] <Riddell> mvo: seems like recommends from desktop-kubuntu-common and desktop-common are not installed
[12:07] <smarter> bbl
[12:08] <Riddell> smarter: ok, I'll upload, thanks
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you change the seeds for qtcurve ?
[12:09] <Tonio_> if not, I can do
[12:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[12:09] <Tonio_> k
[13:00] <Riddell> smarter: "Removed unneeded Build-Dep-Indep on kdelibs-dev" that was needed
[13:00] <Riddell> smarter: uploaded, thanks
[13:00] <Riddell> mvo: a full upgrade with the new upgrade tool works well
[13:01] <Riddell> mvo: jjesse did get an error testing it because he had KDE 4 packages installed, bug 201249
[13:01] <ubot3> Malone bug 201249 in update-manager "[Hardy] update-manager could not calculate the upgrade due to a pre-release version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201249
[13:01] <Riddell> I'm not sure why that should cause an error
[13:02] <mvo> Riddell: it seems like that might be unreleated, bad timing: 2008-03-11 20:55:42,698 DEBUG The package 'nvidia-glx-new' is marked for removal but it's in the removal blacklist
[13:04] <TheInfinity> hmm ...
[13:04] <Riddell> mvo: ok, I'll tell him to try again
[13:05] <TheInfinity> anyone who can fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/196242 - its difficult to alphatest the live cd if xorg does not work ;)
[13:05] <ubot3> Malone bug 196242 in xorg "[Hardy] bulletproof xorg fails completely with mbp rev3" [Undecided,New]
[13:06] <stdin> xRaich[o]2x: I didn't really package 4.0.2, but I'll have a look
[13:08] <Riddell> TheInfinity: you need an X maintainer (tjaalton, bryce)
[13:08] <TheInfinity> ok thanks :)
[13:13] <stdin> xRaich[o]2x: yep, apparently those are missing, I'll put those up today
[13:14] <xRaich[o]2x> stdin: Thanks :) I really hope for a working Umbrello, since Dia is horrible.
[13:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: amarok can't scan for devices
[13:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: in KDE 4?
[13:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: KDE 3, amarok 1.4.8
[13:31] <Riddell> if I click Autodetect Devices I get "No new media devices were found"
[13:32] <mvo> Riddell: I commented on the bugreport
[13:32] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:32] <apachelogger> I see what you mean
[14:03] <smarter> Riddell: why is kdelibs-dev needed?
[14:05] <Riddell> smarter: for kde-config
[14:06] <smarter> oh, ok
[14:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: who can we ask for help with that?
[14:11] <mornfall> Afternoon.
[14:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: I asked some guys to test this on gentoo as soon as they have time to
[14:12] <apachelogger> though I think there is just some incompability with latest kde 3, rather than an issue with one of our patches
[14:14] <ScottK2> Riddell: At this point I'm assuming that hackery to make guidance displaymanger work with missing xorg bits is reasonably OK as long as it actually works, right?
[14:16] <Riddell> mornfall: adept alpha 4 is the business
[14:16] <Riddell> ScottK2: yep
[14:17] <Riddell> mornfall: got a crash though but can't recreate
[14:25] <mornfall> Riddell: Backtrace? Or did it abort()?
[14:25] <Riddell> mornfall: I forgot to look at the backtrace
[14:25] <mornfall> And anything in the terminal? (If you run from a terminal...)
[14:26] <mornfall> Well, if you run into it again, tell me.
[14:26] <apachelogger> hm
[14:26] <mornfall> (There are some known unhandled exceptions and a bunch of abort() calls on errors in fetching update.)
[14:27] <Riddell> mornfall: if I search for half a word "umbr" it briefly shows matches "umbrello" but then they disappear
[14:27] <mornfall> Yes, I am not sure about that. We could do partial matches, but they'll probably pollute the result set.
[14:27] <Riddell> I think they'd be useful
[14:28] <smarter> do I need to fill a FF exception for Bespin since it is KDE4 stuff?
[14:28] <mornfall> It does "search as you type", so the not-fully-typed word is expanded to all possibilities for the "partial" search. When you stop typing, it assumes you typed all words you intended in full.
[14:28] <smarter> if I want to package a new snapshot
[14:28] <apachelogger> smarter: bespin is non-default KDE package therefore it prolly needs a FFe
[14:29] <smarter> ok
[14:30] <Riddell> mornfall: I don't think its clear to the user what's happening
[14:32] <mornfall> Well, possibly. But... what do you propose? I am fairly sure that doing partial matches on all words will break other searches.
[14:32] <Riddell> ideally probably full matches at the top, then a header "partial matches" and list those
[14:33] <mornfall> Hmh.
[14:33] <Riddell> that's probably some hassle though, I don't see just listing the partial matches as being a big problem
[14:33] <mornfall> It could be doable.
[14:33] <mornfall> Well, it influences the scoring a lot.
[14:34] <mornfall> I can't come up with meaningful examples right now, but let me think a bit.
[14:35] <mornfall> We'll have to try that.
[14:35] <mornfall> (People don't expect google to do that, btw.)
[14:38] <Riddell> true enough
[15:00] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: I checked some thnigs in Adept's 3 alpha source code and it certainly looks better
[15:00] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: not that Adept's 2.x code was bad but it needed a more consistent style
[15:00] <stdin> Riddell: should I put exiv2 in the KDE4 ppa or will 0.15-1ubuntu2 do? kdegraphics wants >= 0.16-3ubuntu1
[15:00] <jetsaredim> is there something up with the latest kde packages for hardy?
[15:01] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: and above all, keep up the good work on libept. it is way better than libapt-front
[15:01] <jetsaredim> any time I try to open any k* program it takes literally like a minute for it to respond
[15:01] <jetsaredim> but gtk stuff is fine
[15:03] <Artemis_Fowl> Riddell: will this bulky font change eventually in Kubuntu Hardy?
[15:09] <yuriy> morning
[15:11] <yuriy> Mez: what is "upstream" bugtracking for katapult? i wanted to link an lp bug to a bugs.kde.org bug but couldn't because katapult is a project on lp
[15:13] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:13]  * seele waves
[15:13] <jetsaredim> is anyone else seeing this issue on hardy?
[15:14] <Mez> BT upstream is LP
[15:14] <Mez> and thats an issue with LP
[15:19] <Riddell> jetsaredim: I don't
[15:19] <ScottK2> New kde-guidance for testing from hacks-R-us: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive
[15:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't know of any font change
[15:19] <yuriy> ScottK2: what's changed/what to test?
[15:19] <Riddell> stdin: don't put new exiv2 in, it's not binary compatible
[15:19] <Riddell> stdin: you'd need to change kdegraphics to not build with it
[15:20] <jetsaredim> Riddell: any thoughts as to what might be at the root of my problem?
[15:20] <stdin> Riddell: okay then
[15:20] <ScottK2> yuriy: This one should work if xorg.conf is missing ServerLayout section.  See Bug #173768
[15:20] <ubot3> Malone bug 173768 in kde-guidance "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173768
[15:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: ?
[15:20] <apachelogger> ah
[15:20] <apachelogger> that was for Artemis
[15:20] <ScottK2> yuriy: It's a hack.  Be nice please.
[15:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh, he left, ignore me
[15:21] <ScottK2> The key is that it's a hack that I think is extenisble to cover the no xorg.conf case.
[15:22] <yuriy> so just check if it runs without that section?
[15:28] <jetsaredim> Riddell: any thoughts as to what might be at the root of my problem?
[15:28] <yuriy> Mez: when you get a chance, could you add information about katapult upstream bugtracking to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKDE#head-b4b70224e0fa9036c0a9271e736469955862630e
[15:30] <ScottK2> yuriy: First would be to check it runs fine with that section and then without, yes.
[15:30] <Riddell> jetsaredim: try stracing maybe
[15:35] <mvo> Riddell: re apt> I take a look when I finished with some compiz madness
[15:36] <Riddell> ok, thanks
[15:36] <jetsaredim> Riddell: I can't even get focus into a konsole to be able to strace anything
[15:40] <jetsaredim> i have two konsoles open and neither will take input
[15:55] <nixternal> GUI: checkbox for the "Middle click on a tab closes it" option (which has existed for a long time, but didn't have a GUI).
[15:55] <nixternal> Patch by Juan Carlos Torres
[15:55] <nixternal> Jucato: I was wondering when that would get uploaded :)
[15:58] <Jucato> nixternal: never
[15:58] <Jucato> at least as far as KDE 3 is concerned (no new features)
[15:58] <Jucato> as far as KDE 4... well, dunno. but already gave dfaure the patch
[16:02] <nixternal> well, I lost my bet with imbrandon on the gPC...I said it would last no longer than a year on store shelves...it didn't even make 6 months
[16:02] <Jucato> heh
[16:03] <Jucato> sold out or...
[16:03] <jetsaredim> Riddell: even something as simple as kdesu gets screwed up
[16:09] <smarter> mmh, something's wrong with Amarok's translation
[16:10] <smarter> in the right-click menu I have: "BROKEN TRANSLATION Edit Track Information..."
[16:16] <jussi01> ScottK: ping!
[16:16] <ScottK> pong
[16:17] <jussi01> ScottK: Im just testing this guidance package
[16:17] <ScottK> Yes?
[16:17] <jussi01> basically I have a working hardy. if I just remove xorg and restart?
[16:18] <ScottK> Don't do that
[16:18] <jussi01> ok, so how should I proceed
[16:18] <ScottK> jussi01: Is displaymanager working OK for you with the current package?
[16:18] <jussi01> it wasnt no, havent checked since the update
[16:19] <ScottK> Check the released update and see if it works before you test the PPA pakcage.
[16:20] <jussi01> hrmmpph, I installed the upgrade alreeady.
[16:21] <ScottK> No problem
[16:21] <ScottK> jussi01: Just see if it works without any xorg changes
[16:21] <jussi01> ok. it loads the module, which is already an improvement over last time i checked ~2 days ago
[16:23] <ScottK> OK.  Do you remember if you had ubuntu2 or ubuntu3 installed before you installed the PPA package?
[16:23] <jussi01> hang on, Ill check
[16:26] <jussi01> ScottK: Im not certain, but Im pretty sure it was 3 as I updated around 2 hours ago
[16:26] <ScottK> K
[16:26] <ScottK> I uploaded 3 on Sunday, so probably.
[16:27] <stdin> had to disable gwenview-kde4 for kdegraphics-kde4 gutsy, but it built
[16:32] <jussi01> ScottK: hmmm... seems that its only showing 2 resolutions, (640x480 800x600) while my screen is at 1680x1050
[16:35] <ScottK> jussi01: OK.  But it didn't run at all for you before, right?
[16:36] <jussi01> ScottK: correct
[16:36] <ScottK> jussi01: Would you please pastebin your xorg.conf
[16:36] <jussi01> sure
[16:37] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59388/
[16:37] <ScottK> jussi01: Please run it from a Konsole window and pastebin any Konsole output you get.
[16:38] <jussi01> ScottK: displaymanager is the command?
[16:38] <ScottK> Yes
[16:39] <jussi01> hmmm, no it isnt. I think its displayconfig
[16:39] <smarter> Amarok in Ubuntu is compiled without --with-mp4v2 but I can edit aac tags with it, anyone know why?
[16:40] <ScottK> jussi01: Yes.  Sorry.
[16:40] <jussi01> ScottK: nothing from konsole. just runs, when I close exits quietly
[16:40] <ScottK> OK.
[16:46] <ScottK> jussi01: If you do something that doesn't affect monitor resolutions, like change the time before it powers off, what do you get (please in  Konsole window again)?
[16:46] <jussi01> ScottK: /usr/bin/xset dpms 3600 3600 3600
[16:46] <ScottK> That's perfect.
[16:47] <stdin> apachelogger or Riddell: debdiff for bug #198470 up
[16:47] <ubot3> Malone bug 198470 in kdebase-workspace "wallpaper broken in plasma in kde 4.0.2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198470
[16:47] <yuriy> ScottK: runs with and without serverlayout section
[16:47] <yuriy> though it detects my card as a 6800.. i wish
[16:47] <stdin> test build in my PPA, and works too :)
[16:48] <ScottK> yuriy: I'm not a miracle worker here.  I'm mostly focusing on making it not crash.
[16:48] <ScottK> yuriy: Thanks for letting me know.
[16:50] <jussi01> ScottK: so any more tests I can run to help out?
[16:51] <ScottK> jussi01: I don't think so.
[16:51] <jussi01> ScottK: ok. let me know if i can help more :)
[16:51] <Jucato> nixternal: now I know what you were talking about :)
[16:51]  * Jucato sniffs :)
[16:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Here's the situation with displayconfig and partial/no Xorg: I can hack it up to not crash.  It seems that the user gets only a very vanilla set of resolution choices, but it seems other than that it works.  That sounds like worthwhile progress to me.  What do you think?
[16:57] <stdin> Riddell: btw, I've given up on ODBC support in Qt, it just doesn't want to work
[17:01] <nixternal> anyone here runnin Gutsy and have KDE 4 installed from PPA, and have an iPod or other, could you try bug #186384 and see if you can reproduce it please?
[17:01] <ubot3> Malone bug 186384 in amarok "Amarok does not autodetect devices in Hardy, and in Gutsy with KDE3.5.9 and KDE4 ppa repository" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186384
[17:07]  * txwikinger does not have such fancy stuff like ipods
[17:07] <Riddell> ScottK: sounds good here
[17:07] <Riddell> stdin: hmm, a shame
[17:09] <Nightrose> nixternal: apachelogger already asked eean to try it and is investigating - eean said he will test when he gets back home
[17:09] <stdin> Riddell: it may (or may not) be a bug in unixodbc, it seems to default to use 64bit values in the source anyway (from what I can see)
[17:15] <nixternal> groovy
[17:15] <nixternal> anyone with German locales confirm bug #64168 for me?
[17:15] <ubot3> Malone bug 64168 in kdebase "KDE clipboard used with Openoffice does not support Umlauts" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64168
[17:15] <nixternal> works great with en locales
[17:20] <jussi01> nixternal: I have ä and ö's Ill just check
[17:20] <nixternal> thanks
[17:22] <jussi01> nixternal: seems to work fine here, I have them on my keyboard, not sure which locale Im on atm though
[17:22] <nixternal> type locale and see
[17:23] <jussi01> hmmm, no, Im on en_US for some strange reason, sorry
[17:23] <nixternal> hehe
[17:23]  * jussi01 goes to change that
[17:23] <nixternal> ya, it works fine for that locale
[17:24] <nixternal> anyone on Gutsy able to confirm bug #176949 at all? It works fine on Hardy that I could tell
[17:24] <ubot3> Malone bug 176949 in kde-systemsettings "Static IP configuration gives "default gateway IP address is invalid" error" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176949
[17:27] <ScottK> jussi01: Can you go to the hardware section of displayconfig and pick a generic monitor that has the resolution you want and get it set that way.
[17:29] <jussi01> ScottK: yes, that seems to work (without having applied it, it gives the option)
[17:29] <ScottK> jussi01: I'm going to call that a work around.
[17:29] <jussi01> ScottK: ok. :)
[17:31] <jussi01> Ok, im disappering for a little bit
[17:44] <Riddell> Tonio__: root eh?
[17:45]  * jussi01 is tempted to !rootirc for the fun of it :P
[17:45] <Riddell> jussi01: do it do it
[17:45] <jussi01> !rootirc | Tonio__
[17:45] <ubot3> Tonio__: It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet.
[17:46] <jussi01> :P
[17:46]  * jussi01 loves that riddel has a sense of humor
[17:46] <jussi01> heh, that was a quick visit
[17:47]  * jussi01 also hates his tab key... :(
[18:02] <ScottK> nixternal: Can you help me with getting some guidance displaymanager work arounds documented?
[18:22] <ScottK> jussi01: I just uploaded that displayconfig change.
[18:23] <ScottK> jussi01: We'll need to release note the work around you had to do to configure display resolution.  I was wondering if you'd be willing to write something up for nixternal?
[18:24] <ScottK> Riddell: New guidance uploaded that will survive a missing ServerLayout section in xorg.conf.  I'm going to start on trying to survive a totally missing xorg.conf.
[19:00] <mhb> hi folks, hope you are all well
[19:01] <awen_> when acpi-support sends a fakekey event and KDE receives it, where is the default policy for what to do specified? ... it seems the $KEY_SLEEP (142) doesn't trigger a sleep (in Hardy), but can't find where to look to fix it
[19:14] <Nightrose> heya mhb - everything fine here - and you?
[19:14] <blizzzek> Riddell: a wise guy told me to ask you... i am right in getting into python developing. currently i am trying to add an menu to a trayicon. atm i made a class inherited from QMenu. There, i generate an QAction with Text, Shortcut and Visibility and add it to the menu. However, everythings fine, but the fact that there is no text to see (though the value is assigned). do you've got a hint for me?
[19:17] <Riddell> blizzzek: qt 4?
[19:17] <blizzzek> Riddell: yes
[19:18] <blizzzek> on hardy currently, since there are problem with pykde4 (from which i use some things) from ppa on gutsy atm
[19:18] <Riddell> blizzzek: and you have a QSystemTrayIcon?
[19:19] <blizzzek> Riddell: yes
[19:19] <blizzzek> if i right-click it, there appeare "placesholders" for the assigned actions of the menu, but no text
[19:20] <Riddell> just make a QMenu, add actions setContextMenu
[19:20] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5628/
[19:20] <Riddell> from system-config-printer-applet-kde
[19:21] <jussi01> ScottK: something like this? or have I got you all wrong: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59405/
[19:22] <Riddell> blizzzek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5629/
[19:24] <ScottK> jussi01: Looking
[19:25] <ScottK> jussi01: Yes.  Please get with nixternal about getting it into the beta release notes.
[19:31] <blizzzek> Riddell: i looked at your pastes, but still i do not have an idea :( tried some things, but did not work. may you have a look? http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/786887
[19:35] <ScottK> Would someone on Hardy KDE3 please install and run eric.  It's crashing for me and I'm curious if it's just my system or not.
[19:36] <jussi01> ScottK: what is eric?
[19:36] <jussi01> ScottK: Im installing now
[19:36] <ScottK> It's a Python editor
[19:36] <ScottK> It's an alternative to Idle.
[19:37] <blueyed> Eric?
[19:37] <jussi01> ScottK: it core dumps here
[19:37] <ScottK> jussi01: Thanks.  OK.  It's not just me then.
[19:37] <jussi01> after saying its not configured, then you hit ok and it dies
[19:38] <ScottK> Same as me.
[19:38] <ScottK> THanks.
[19:38] <jussi01> ok, bug time.
[19:38] <jussi01> :)
[19:39] <jussi01> you are welcome
[19:39] <Riddell> blizzzek: works for me
[19:39] <Riddell> blizzzek: got the full thing?
[19:40] <ScottK> According to strace it dies in the qt4 part of the package.
[19:40] <blizzzek> i can send it. is pastebin enough or would you like the files?
[19:40] <ScottK> Any aspiring qt4 hackers want a small project?
[19:41] <smarter> ScottK: yes :)
[19:41] <Riddell> blizzzek: this works for me http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/786952
[19:41] <ScottK> smarter: Install eric.  run eric.  watch eric crash.  Enjoy.
[19:41] <Artemis_Fowl> ScottK: when does it seg faults?
[19:42] <ScottK> After you click ok to config for the first run.
[19:42] <smarter> I just finished my C++ book and started my Qt book
[19:42] <Artemis_Fowl> smarter: which Qt book?
[19:42] <ScottK> According to strace it's a itemviews/qtreeview.cpp line 2121
[19:42] <ScottK> a/at
[19:43] <smarter> Artemis_Fowl: "C++ GUI programming with Qt 4"
[19:43] <Artemis_Fowl> smarter: good book
[19:43] <Artemis_Fowl> smarter: haven't finished it yet though
[19:43] <ScottK> This one's written in Python with python-qt4.
[19:43] <smarter> I saw that
[19:43] <ScottK> Being a Python editor, that makes sense ...
[19:44] <ScottK> smarter: If you can figure a fix so it won't crash, I've got a couple of other changes I need to upload that I can combine it with.
[19:45] <tlayton> ScottK: eric 4.0.4 (r1711) runs fine here. although it does prompt me an update is available at kde-apps
[19:45] <blizzzek> Riddell: thanks a lot! it was obviously the -style=plastique thing, i did not have originally
[19:45] <ScottK> tlayton: What environment are you running it in?
[19:45] <tlayton> ScottK: latest greatest hardy, kde 3.5.9
[19:45] <ScottK> 4.1.1 is the latest and they both crash for me.
[19:46] <ScottK> OK
[19:46] <smarter> crash here too
[19:46] <ScottK> Are you running the Kubuntu package or the upstream tarball?
[19:46] <ScottK> tlayton: ^^
[19:46] <blizzzek> well, looking at the application, oxygene was more beautyful
[19:46] <tlayton> ScottK: kubuntu package 4.0.4-1ubuntu1.
[19:47] <ScottK> Wierd
[19:47] <tlayton> i did not get a config dialog. could it be that eric is already configured for me from a previous version
[19:47] <ScottK> Right.  That'd do it.
[19:48] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: ping
[19:48] <ScottK> That gives some hope that fixing this one problem will be useful.
[19:50] <tlayton> ScottK: ok it does crash if I go to Settings -> Preferences
[19:51] <ScottK> tlayton: If you start if from Konsole, what does it say when it dies?
[19:52] <tlayton> ScottK: just "Aborted (core dumped)". this outside of using default translation files
[19:52] <jussi01> Riddell: we should now unban ubotu methinks
[19:52] <ScottK> OK
[19:53] <mornfall> Artemis_Fowl: pong?
[19:53] <ScottK> smarter: Do you think this is something you can work on?
[19:53] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: question:
[19:53] <mornfall> Yes?
[19:53] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: I have been playing around with libept
[19:53] <mornfall> Yes?
[19:53] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: doing something like this:
[19:54] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: http://kde.pastey.net/83721
[19:55] <mornfall> Yes?
[19:55] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: ui.treeWidget_list being a QTreeWidget with Package Name, Installed Version etc
[19:55] <mornfall> (Albeit that's probably not my part of the library, but Enrico's.)
[19:56] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: anyway. the thing is that the QString::number(size_t( PackageRecord( *i ).installedSize() ) ) produces nothing but zero
[19:56] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: how should the class PackageRecord be used
[19:57] <mornfall> It works for Adept. I don't know about PackageRecord, I don't use that...
[19:57] <mornfall> As I said, I mostly use stuff under core::.
[19:57] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: how is this implemented in Adept?
[19:58] <mornfall> Using (ept::core::)record::Source.
[19:58] <mornfall> You have record::Source r;
[19:58] <mornfall> then do r.get< record::InstalledSize >( token );
[19:58] <mornfall> (The core:: API is based on the ept::Token class.)
[19:59] <mornfall> And you can get a list of tokens from various places. One would be package::Source.
[19:59] <mornfall> package::Source pkgs( db );
[20:00] <mornfall> Check tools/ept-cat.cpp in libept source.
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: where is ept::core header file located?
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: ah
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: :)
[20:00] <mornfall> ept/core/... (There's a bunch of stuff under core::).
[20:01] <buz> i'm fighting with a nvidia sata controller. it tells me the disk times out which i believe is some ahci screw up, is there any kernel option to turn off ahci during boot=
[20:02] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: strange
[20:02] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: can't find it anywhere
[20:02] <mhb> Nightrose: I'm well, except not having any time
[20:02] <mornfall> What's your version of libept-dev? On gutsy, there's no such thing as ept::core.
[20:03] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: aha
[20:04] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: ok. will investigate it soon. thx
[20:06] <Riddell> ScottK: remember beta freeze is tomorrow
[20:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I do.  I'm almost certain working with no xorg at all won't get done before the freeze, but that bug is (appropriately I think) milestoned for Beta.
[20:08] <ScottK> I'm expecting I'll get it OK'ed.
[20:09] <smarter> ScottK: after some googling it appears that the problem comes from pyqt 4.3.3 which doesn't like Qt 4.3.4
[20:10] <smarter> so we just need to wait for pyqt 4.3.4
[20:10] <ScottK2> smarter: Thanks.
[20:15] <ScottK2> smarter: Any chance of a work around since pyqt 4.3.4 isn't released yet?
[20:15] <smarter> I'm trying to debug the code right now
[20:17] <ScottK2> smarter: Great.  Thanks
[20:17] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: I foud out what was wrong. As I imagined wrong use of the class....
[20:17] <mornfall> What was it?
[20:18] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: wrong use of the class :) the class Package Record should not be used to retrieve info about a package
[20:18] <mornfall> Could be :-).
[20:18] <mornfall> I couldn't tell off the top of my head...
[20:19] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: Apt::rawRecord( std::string ) should be used to get the package
[20:19] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: and then search in it
[20:19] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: using Package Record
[20:20] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: thisis the correct use
[20:20] <Artemis_Fowl> this is*
[20:21] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: therefore the Package Record class is used to search in a package. not get the package...
[20:21] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: there is no documentation for this. that's why I got so confused
[20:22] <Artemis_Fowl> mornfall: anyway. cya
[20:22] <mornfall> Bye.
[21:14] <_buz> looks to me like todays hardy live image is pretty broken
[21:14] <_buz> not even the boot menu reacts to key presses
[21:17] <_buz> that is if i didnt burn a bad cd
[21:18] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: where's the desktop-effects bzr?
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde
[21:20] <ScottK2> Riddell: Now that I've gotten pyqtconfig back in python-qt-dev where it belongs, I suspect our python-kde3 is carrying an unneeded build-dep on python-qt3.  I'm doing a test build now.  If it works out OK, do you mind if I upload it?
[21:21] <Riddell> ScottK2: not at all
[21:21] <ScottK2> OK.
[21:21] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: jpatrick updated the deb already though...
[21:23] <Riddell> hmm, failed to build
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: desktop-effects-kde failed?
[21:34] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: yes, due to changes in python-central
[21:35] <nosrednaekim> is it something I need to fix?
[21:35] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: no, I can do it easily enough
[21:35] <Riddell> it's just a packaging issue
[21:35] <nosrednaekim> ok, thanks.
[21:38] <nixternal> ryanakca: I told ya to watch out and that I was gunnin' for ya :p
[21:39] <nixternal> 1  nixternal  158  |   2  ryanakca  120
[21:39] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: the images aren't installed though, are they ment to be?
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> images?
[21:40] <Riddell> actually, they are, ignore me
[21:40] <Riddell> just some paths need changed
[21:42] <blueyed> Is it possible to add presets to amarok's equalizer?
[21:42] <blueyed> through kubuntu-default-settings?
[22:21] <ryanakca> nixternal: aaah, no fair
[22:21] <ryanakca> nixternal: oh well, I just got home, I'll catch up to you still :)
[22:22] <ryanakca> 39 bugs to go :)
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> 158 bugs in a DAY?
[22:24] <NthDegree> no way...
[22:24] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: eh, you can manage if you have a 2-3-4 hours to spend :)
[22:25] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: mind you, those numbers were for the past 7 days :)
[22:25] <ryanakca> http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> oh! ok :)
[22:40] <mhb> I wonder how many of those you actually fix
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> hey mhb, how's it going?
[22:42] <mhb> ca depend
[22:43] <mhb> nosrednaekim: on the one hand, I really enjoy concentrating fully on school
[22:43] <mhb> nosrednaekim: staying there each day almost to 19:00, sometimes later
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> must be fun :)
[22:44] <mhb> nosrednaekim: on the other hand, I know that in open source hacking word, there's no such thing as two folks taking your place once you step back
[22:44] <nixternal> I fix enough that's for sure
[22:44] <nixternal> this kdeprint is a mess
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: the system-config-printer-kde?
[22:45] <nixternal> not that one, kdeprint itself
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> oh
[22:46] <mhb> nosrednaekim: the academic world is a different place, full of people that are minimalist and really into the unix philosophy
[22:46] <Riddell> nixternal: that's why we need system-config-printer-kde
[22:47] <nixternal> Riddell: no doubt...I am looking into a kdeprint bug, and my hair turned grey
[22:47] <nixternal> just like that
[22:47] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I really enjoy the introduction to unix lecture, because (although I know most of it) it makes me appreciate the beauty of Unix internals
[22:47] <nixternal> play with HP-UX and you learn to not see any beauty
[22:47] <mhb> nosrednaekim: like tools that aren't named by fancy names, but by what they really do, like "rm" or "cp"
[22:48] <mhb> nixternal: why so?
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> did they tell you what /etc stands for yet?
[22:48] <nixternal> mhb: it is a god awful platform to admin
[22:49] <mhb> nosrednaekim: the usual et cetera
[22:49] <Riddell> I can't work out why khelpcenter-kde4 doesn't find any docs
[22:49] <Riddell> or where it looks
[22:50] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it may sound strange, but I'd be happy if my window manager was named "wm" and my instant messenger "im" :o)
[22:50] <nixternal> it should look in /usr/lib/kde4/share/doc
[22:51] <nixternal> it should look in /usr/lib/kde4/share/doc/kde/HTML/en
[22:51] <nixternal> it should look in /usr/lib/kde4/share/doc/kde/HTML/$CC :)
[22:51] <nixternal> I will get it right one of these days...
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> mhb: XD.... but what if you wanted to create a better im? it would be "imim" :)
[22:51] <nixternal> Riddell: KHelpCenter is broken in trunk too
[22:53] <mhb> nosrednaekim: "bim"?
[22:53] <mhb> nosrednaekim: i'd welcome a single "one im to rule them all", though
[22:53] <mhb> nosrednaekim: because there's nobody inventing a second rm
[22:53] <mhb> nosrednaekim: there's no need for a "extrm" :o)
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> mhb: true.
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> I suppose its because it was all originally dictated by a corporation, who wouldn't want two tools for the same job
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> it'd be SLIGHTLY wasteful ;)
[22:56] <mhb> nosrednaekim: AFAIK it wasn't really dictated in the beginning
[22:57] <mhb> nosrednaekim: the way we're taught the basics, some fellows from Bell Labs wanted to do an operating system, but there wasn't any need for one of those, so they pretended that they are developing a "text processing system"
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> interesting
[22:58] <mhb> that's why Unix has a lot of text configuration tools, because text processing is what it did well
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> which is all anyone did back then... no images... or movies I guess
[23:00] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I guess so.
[23:00] <coreymon77> what are we talking about?
[23:02] <mhb> coreymon77: I was talking about the roots of Unix, but that was offtopic
[23:02] <mhb> nosrednaekim: so what's new by you?
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> mhb: not much.. just trying to finish up highschool :)
[23:24] <eldaria> Hey guys, anyone of you know how I can configure bzr and launchpad.net behind a proxy?
[23:25] <eldaria> It looks as if it only supports ssh
[23:25] <Riddell> eldaria: try #bzr
[23:25] <Riddell> eldaria: it supports http too
[23:26] <ScottK2> Riddell: New python-kde3 uploaded.  Except for eric that I'm holding up for another reason, that's the last package touched by the pyqtconfig being in the wrong place.
[23:29]  * Hobbsee grumbles at sven
[23:30] <eldaria> Riddell: Thanks, will try that tomorrow. It is when I'm at work I could not figure out how to Upload my changes. it tells I need to run bzr push bzr+ssh://, so intead I type bzr push #bzr+http:// or?
[23:33] <Riddell> eldaria: http is read only, you need ssh to write back
[23:34] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Would you please say OK to Bug #188891
[23:34]  * Hobbsee waits for ubotu
[23:34] <Hobbsee> bug 188891
[23:34]  * ScottK2 hands Hobbsee https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eric/+bug/188891
[23:35] <eldaria> Riddell: ah ok, so I guess I won't be able to check out from work then. oh well will have to mail the changes home, thanks though.
[23:36] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: done
[23:36] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: and how's it beta already?
[23:37] <ScottK2> Dunno
[23:37] <stdin> erm, someone should un-mute ubotu in here
[23:38] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Thanks
[23:38] <Riddell> eldaria: you can usually get ssh to work around proxies
[23:41] <eldaria> well, we have an ssh stepstone, and I have previously created tunnels a couple of times, but after a couple of incidents (not by me) they started monitoring the usage. so not sure if it is such a good idea. :-)
[23:46] <Hobbsee> is there anything major we need fixed for kubuntu?
[23:47] <jjesse> evening :)
[23:54] <jjesse> Riddell: any word on update manager an the problems i was having/causing :)
[23:55] <Riddell> jjesse: mvo said to try again, he commented on the bug
[23:55] <jjesse> Riddell: ok i'll reveiw the bug and try again :)