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| gmb | So, who's chairing the meeting today? | 15:00 |
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| sinzui | gmb: statik | 15:01 |
| gmb | Cool. | 15:01 |
| salgado | I almost said me, thinking that the meeding had started already | 15:01 |
| gmb | Curse! My trap is foiled. | 15:02 |
| gmb | Does statik know he's chairing? ;) | 15:02 |
| sinzui | gmb: barry and he discussed it | 15:03 |
| gmb | Right. | 15:03 |
| gmb | I'll go round up some of the troops... | 15:03 |
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| intellectronica | me | 15:05 |
| danilos | me | 15:05 |
| jtv | me | 15:05 |
| flacoste | me | 15:05 |
| gmb | Hold your horses boys | 15:05 |
| statik | sorry folks | 15:06 |
| statik | fsck runs at the *worst* possible time | 15:06 |
| statik | #startmeeting | 15:06 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 15:06. The chair is statik. | 15:06 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:06 |
| statik | so, whos here? | 15:06 |
| gmb | me | 15:06 |
| jtv | me | 15:06 |
| intellectronica | me | 15:06 |
| statik | me | 15:06 |
| sinzui | me | 15:06 |
| bac | me | 15:06 |
| bigjools | me | 15:06 |
| salgado | me | 15:06 |
| gmb | schwuk will be late as he's had to step out | 15:07 |
| statik | * Roll call | 15:07 |
| statik | * Next meeting | 15:07 |
| statik | * Change time to 1400 UTC due to US daylight savings time? | 15:07 |
| statik | * Action items | 15:07 |
| statik | * Queue status | 15:07 |
| statik | * Mentoring update | 15:07 |
| statik | * Review process | 15:07 |
| allenap | me | 15:07 |
| statik | [TOPIC] Next meeting time | 15:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Next meeting time | 15:07 |
| BjornT | meme | 15:07 |
| statik | should we change the meeting time? | 15:08 |
| BjornT | +1 | 15:08 |
| statik | [VOTE] change the meeting time to 1400 UTC | 15:08 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: change the meeting time to 1400 UTC. | 15:08 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 15:08 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #launchpad-meeting | 15:08 |
| statik | +0 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from statik. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 15:08 |
| jtv | +1 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jtv. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 15:08 |
| gmb | +0 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from gmb. 1 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 15:08 |
| bac | -1 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | -1 received from bac. 1 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 15:08 |
| BjornT | +1 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | +1 received from BjornT. 2 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 15:08 |
| allenap | +0 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from allenap. 2 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 15:08 |
| bigjools | -1 | 15:08 |
| sinzui | +1 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | +1 received from sinzui. 3 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | -1 received from bigjools. 3 for, 2 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 15:08 |
| intellectronica | +1 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | +1 received from intellectronica. 4 for, 2 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 15:08 |
| salgado | +0 | 15:08 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from salgado. 4 for, 2 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 15:08 |
| flacoste | +1 | 15:09 |
| MootBot | +1 received from flacoste. 5 for, 2 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 15:09 |
| statik | [AGREED] Change this meeting to 1400UTC going forward | 15:09 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Change this meeting to 1400UTC going forward | 15:09 |
| bigjools | can I point out that this will be over UK people's lunch hour when the clocks go forwards here | 15:09 |
| gmb | bigjools: No it won't. | 15:09 |
| gmb | 14:00 UTC == 15:00 BST | 15:10 |
| * bigjools is a loser | 15:10 | |
| gmb | Granted. | 15:10 |
| statik | [TOPIC] Action items | 15:10 |
| MootBot | Vote is in progress. Finishing now. | 15:10 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 2 against. 4 abstained. Total: 3 | 15:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action items | 15:10 |
| statik | anyone have action items? | 15:10 |
| statik | ubmit to enforce 800 line limit. | 15:11 |
| gmb | Ah. | 15:11 |
| statik | * gmb to hack review-submit to enforce 800 line limit. | 15:11 |
| gmb | Big fat fail, I'm afraid. Still need to forward my patch to mwh for approval. | 15:11 |
| gmb | Leave it on the agenda; I'll tackle it this week. | 15:11 |
| * gmb is also a loser | 15:11 | |
| statik | there, there, don't be too hard on yourself. it's a lot of work sending an email | 15:12 |
| statik | [TOPIC] Queue status | 15:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Queue status | 15:12 |
| statik | I see 9 branches that are colored pink | 15:13 |
| gmb | Yeah, there are quite a few > SLA. | 15:13 |
| statik | but the general queue is empty | 15:13 |
| flacoste | db branches? | 15:13 |
| statik | flacoste: 3 are db branches | 15:13 |
| gmb | Are the on-call reviewers letting people know when they've been assigned branches from the queue? | 15:13 |
| statik | schwuk: need any help with your review? | 15:14 |
| statik | allenap: same question | 15:14 |
| gmb | statik: schwuk's not here yet | 15:14 |
| statik | the others over SLA are in the other reviewer meeting | 15:14 |
| sinzui | I know schwuk started to review navlinks-by-content, but I don't see it in my mail | 15:14 |
| statik | sinzui: are you his mentor? | 15:14 |
| allenap | statik: No, I'm okay right now, but a bit behind. I have apologised to abel. | 15:14 |
| sinzui | statik: I am | 15:14 |
| statik | sinzui: can you follow up with schwuk to see if he needs anything? | 15:15 |
| sinzui | I will | 15:15 |
| statik | allenap: great | 15:15 |
| statik | sinzui: thank you | 15:15 |
| statik | [TOPIC] Mentoring update | 15:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Mentoring update | 15:15 |
| statik | does anyone have some fantastic and insightful comments about mentoring? | 15:15 |
| gmb | No, but I've agreed to mentor bigjools whilst his mentor is away. | 15:16 |
| statik | does anyone want to complain about their mentors? | 15:16 |
| statik | gmb: that is great, thanks for volunteering | 15:16 |
| statik | I noticed you helping him with the lunchtime thing earlier | 15:16 |
| gmb | I shall resist from sticking the boot in further :) | 15:17 |
| statik | [TOPIC] Review process | 15:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review process | 15:17 |
| bigjools | wise | 15:17 |
| statik | I have a question about the review process | 15:17 |
| statik | there was talk about releasing the lpreview plugin as open source | 15:17 |
| statik | is anyone following up on that? | 15:17 |
| gmb | statik: It was mentioned, then kiko mentioned the process that such a release would have to go through, then... nothing after that, I think. | 15:18 |
| statik | is there any reason that we should NOT release it? | 15:18 |
| sinzui | I think our recent additions would make it less useful for release. | 15:18 |
| bigjools | someone would need to manage submissions | 15:18 |
| statik | sinzui: what additions are those? | 15:19 |
| sinzui | The PR block ouput, make lint, 800 line limit, | 15:19 |
| statik | my thinking is that this plugin might be an interesting base for companies who are considering bazaar. I am not thinking that we will get useful contributions back | 15:19 |
| gmb | statik: I think that we'd have to have a released branch and an used-by-lpdevs branch really. | 15:20 |
| gmb | For exactly the reasons that sinzui stated. | 15:20 |
| statik | gmb: that sounds like extra work, which is a good reason not to release | 15:20 |
| gmb | Right. | 15:20 |
| statik | ok. the floor is open for anyone who wants to talk about our review process | 15:21 |
| statik | 5 | 15:21 |
| statik | 4 | 15:21 |
| statik | 3 | 15:21 |
| sinzui | schwuk asked me how do we review sourcecode changes | 15:21 |
| statik | 2 | 15:21 |
| statik | aha | 15:21 |
| statik | fantastic question | 15:21 |
| statik | we submit sourcecode changes via PQM | 15:21 |
| statik | but typically there are certain people who are more familiar with the code in a particular sourcecode dir | 15:22 |
| statik | for example, I recently added feedvalidator to sourcecode | 15:22 |
| statik | Edwin fixed a bug, and I reviewed it and submitted it | 15:22 |
| statik | I think for sourcecode changes we have a good idea of what is affected, and will need to individually arrange for reviews based on how significant the change is | 15:23 |
| statik | I don't think sourcecode changes can be assigned to the general review team | 15:23 |
| statik | but that is just my opinion | 15:23 |
| statik | BjornT: what do you think about review of sourcecode changes? flacoste? | 15:23 |
| sinzui | bugger | 15:24 |
| flacoste | i agree with your explanation | 15:24 |
| sinzui | I missed the response to my question | 15:24 |
| flacoste | but it also depends of the actual code | 15:24 |
| statik | we submit sourcecode changes via PQM | 15:24 |
| statik | but typically there are certain people who are more familiar with the code in a particular sourcecode dir | 15:24 |
| statik | for example, I recently added feedvalidator to sourcecode | 15:24 |
| statik | Edwin fixed a bug, and I reviewed it and submitted it | 15:24 |
| statik | I think for sourcecode changes we have a good idea of what is affected, and will need to individually arrange for reviews based on how significant the change is | 15:24 |
| statik | I don't think sourcecode changes can be assigned to the general review team | 15:24 |
| statik | but that is just my opinion | 15:24 |
| flacoste | for example, we don't usually commit to zope directly | 15:24 |
| flacoste | but first land upstream and backport the fix | 15:25 |
| flacoste | the idea is to prevent diversion | 15:25 |
| flacoste | although we currently have one (stub's changes to the testrunner which aren't meaningful for upstream) | 15:25 |
| sinzui | schwuk was review mwhudson's navlinks. to see the changes, he has to run loggerhead | 15:25 |
| schwuk | sinzui: for which I got instructions off mwhudson | 15:26 |
| sinzui | schwuk: rock! | 15:26 |
| statik | that sounds fine, I don't think we have anyone else on the team that is particularly familiar with loggerhead | 15:26 |
| statik | and I will deny ever sending patches upstream for it | 15:27 |
| schwuk | but IMO those instructions should have been included with the review request,or put on the wiki and linked to | 15:27 |
| schwuk | for everyone's benefit | 15:27 |
| statik | schwuk: good point, could you and mwhudson collaborate on getting some instructions on the wiki about running loggerhead? | 15:28 |
| schwuk | statik: sure | 15:28 |
| statik | awesome | 15:28 |
| statik | [AGREED] schwuk to work with mwhudson on getting loggerhead instructions on the wiki | 15:28 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: schwuk to work with mwhudson on getting loggerhead instructions on the wiki | 15:28 |
| statik | any other topics to discuss? | 15:28 |
| statik | 5 | 15:29 |
| statik | 4 | 15:29 |
| statik | 3 | 15:29 |
| statik | 2 | 15:29 |
| statik | 1 | 15:29 |
| statik | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 15:29. | 15:29 |
| flacoste | thanks statik! | 15:29 |
| bac | thanks statik | 15:29 |
| statik | thanks everyone! | 15:29 |
| gmb | Cheers statik | 15:29 |
| intellectronica | thanks statik | 15:29 |
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