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| mruiz | @schedule Santiago | 05:19 |
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| ubotu | Schedule for America/Santiago: 12 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 14 Mar 16:00: MOTU | 14 Mar 17:00: REVU Coordination | 19 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 05:38 |
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| calc | hi | 06:57 |
| ogra | yawn | 06:57 |
| evand | hello | 06:57 |
| TheMuso | Greetings. | 06:57 |
| * ogra feels like sh*t | 06:57 | |
| * asac waves (in time) | 06:57 | |
| bryce | heya | 06:58 |
| cjwatson | we are out of coffee! argh | 06:58 |
| asac | lol | 06:58 |
| * cjwatson attempts to survive on juice alone | 06:58 | |
| * ArneGoetje waves | 06:58 | |
| ogra | hard thing | 06:58 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: I've always found a morning walk gets me woken up. :) | 06:58 |
| cjwatson | bit late :) | 06:58 |
| TheMuso | Yeah I know, but nevertheless, its the suggestino that counts. | 06:58 |
| TheMuso | suggestino | 06:58 |
| TheMuso | ugh | 06:58 |
| cjwatson | ta :) | 06:58 |
| TheMuso | suggestion | 06:58 |
| ogra | el suggestino ? | 06:59 |
| cjwatson | so just waiting for doko | 06:59 |
| ogra | he was in distro ... | 06:59 |
| calc | evand: early enough for you? :) | 06:59 |
| TheMuso | ogra: yeah slip of the fingers.... twice. | 06:59 |
| cjwatson | doko: ping | 06:59 |
| ogra | TheMuso, sounds like some kind of southamerican pimp :) | 07:00 |
| doko | good morning | 07:00 |
| TheMuso | ogra: I know. | 07:00 |
| TheMuso | :) | 07:00 |
| evand | calc: pff, a cakewalk | 07:00 |
| cjwatson | aha, welcome | 07:00 |
| cjwatson | right, I only have two activity reports this week; I hope that the rest are stuck in a mail queue (I think my mail reception doesn't work so well overnight for some reason) | 07:00 |
| * cjwatson blinks and realises he clearly can't count | 07:01 | |
| * TheMuso saw a lot on the ml./ | 07:01 | |
| ArneGoetje | I just submitted mine a few minutes ago... sorry for that | 07:01 |
| * ogra just sent his ... with wrong date first place ... | 07:01 | |
| calc | cjwatson: more coffee? | 07:01 |
| cjwatson | ah, I counted ogra twice and made it nine without bothering to check all the names :) sorry Steve | 07:01 |
| slangasek | :-) | 07:01 |
| cjwatson | ok, somebody else will have to say if there are agenda items in activity reports | 07:02 |
| ogra | yeah, we're easy to mix up :P | 07:02 |
| ArneGoetje | 2 in my one | 07:02 |
| cjwatson | so I wanted to talk first about scim, since there has been a lot of user confusion about scim accidentally being enabled for them, and I want to make sure we have a clear plan to ensure this is fixed for beta | 07:03 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: it is fixed already | 07:03 |
| cjwatson | at the moment it looks like live CDs and fresh installs don't have it switched on, but that users sometimes get it enabled on upgrade | 07:03 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: somebody reported breakage on upgrade just yesterday | 07:03 |
| asac | i don't know if i forcefully uninstalled it, but its not enabled for me anymore. it was rather annoying a week ago. | 07:03 |
| ArneGoetje | * scim enabled by default for non-CJK locales: This has been resolved | 07:04 |
| ArneGoetje | with the latest scim and scim-bridge updates. On a current Live CD the | 07:04 |
| ArneGoetje | old behaviour, where scim is by default disabled for non-CJK locales can | 07:04 |
| ArneGoetje | be observed. Upgrading from Gutsy to Hardy should work fine also, | 07:04 |
| ArneGoetje | however I haven't tested it yet. For users who followed the Hardy | 07:04 |
| ArneGoetje | development manual interaction is required though. Calling | 07:04 |
| ArneGoetje | Language-selector, unchecking the checkbox and doing a re-login should | 07:04 |
| ArneGoetje | be sufficient. | 07:04 |
| calc | i had to go back to gutsy for my vmware session for other reason so i didn't see if it got fixed for my issue | 07:04 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: ah, is that a change since yesterday? | 07:04 |
| calc | but it hasn't seemed to have affect my two hardy systems | 07:04 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: no, I updated the packages a few days ago. | 07:04 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: there have been reports since then; the evidence suggests that upgrades are still broken | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | somebody just yesterday reported upgrading from alpha-6 to current and having scim enabled | 07:05 |
| ogra | i didnt have any trace of scim on yesterdays classmate image | 07:05 |
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| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: for users who follow Hardy for a longer period, manual interaction is required to fix this. Language-selector -> uncek the checkbox -> re-login should fix it. | 07:06 |
| slangasek | well, presumably neither I nor the other bug reporter followed the "calling language-selector" step? | 07:06 |
| ogra | i mean of it getting in my way ... its installed indeed | 07:06 |
| slangasek | OTOH, where *is* language-selector? I don't seem to have it on my system | 07:06 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: Live CD from Mar 9 had it fixed already | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: OK, I'll be happy if gutsy->hardy (and ideally also dapper->hardy) are tested for this before beta | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: could you organise that? | 07:06 |
| ArneGoetje | slangasek: System -> Administration -> Language Support | 07:07 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: we should add Arne's comment above to the release notes | 07:07 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: ack | 07:07 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: will do. | 07:07 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: is there any way to sanely spot the breakage and revert it without also overwriting user customisations? | 07:07 |
| cjwatson | three's been a lot of noise on #ubuntu-devel, #distro, #canonical, well just about everywhere about it | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | Scott has been taking a lot of heat for it too | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | (since everyone assumes it's a desktop thing) | 07:08 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: not really... see my comments in bug #199030 | 07:08 |
| slangasek | override the alternative on upgrade only if it's set to the expected value and we're upgrading from the problematic version? | 07:08 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: short explanation: | 07:09 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: some time in the past the function to enable/disable scim in language-selector broke and the link in /etc/X11/xinit/xinout.d/ for all_ALL was set by default. | 07:10 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: as we cannot detect which user enabled it on purpose and who didn't, we cannot fix it by script, can we? | 07:11 |
| ogra | you could ask | 07:12 |
| slangasek | by "set by default", you mean "update-alternatives was misused from a maintainer script"? | 07:12 |
| slangasek | or something else? | 07:12 |
| ogra | like the directory conversion tool does | 07:12 |
| ogra | its ugly but helps | 07:12 |
| ArneGoetje | slangasek: I'm not sure what caused it actually.. I just remember that I couldn't uncheck the checkbox anymore... | 07:12 |
| cjwatson | I'm not convinced that all these users had ever seen the language-selector UI | 07:12 |
| slangasek | I hadn't :) | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | it feels much more like an update-alternatives accident to me | 07:13 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: as I said, I'm not sure what caused the breakage... | 07:13 |
| calc | it affected my vmware image when i hadn't done anything with it, of course it wasn't a local fresh install (got it off the site) | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | that means we need to be extra-careful about testing it | 07:13 |
| calc | it was a image that was upgraded from gutsy | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | if you aren't sure what caused it, it doesn't seem that you can say that it happened during hardy development | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | and we should probably put some effort into tracking down what *did* cause it | 07:14 |
| cjwatson | report is that alpha-6 -> current reproduces it, so perhaps we should start there | 07:14 |
| ArneGoetje | the bug was triggered recently with the seeding of im-switch. when im-switch is not installed on the system, scim can't be started at all. that's why it hadn't surfaced earlier. | 07:14 |
| cjwatson | indeed | 07:14 |
| cjwatson | but it's a very serious problem when it does show up, so it is our responsibility to understand it as much as we can | 07:15 |
| slangasek | * debian/scim.postinst: disable u-a calls for all_ALL; remove the | 07:15 |
| slangasek | scim-bridge entries again... they should go into the scim-bridge package. | 07:15 |
| cjwatson | while I'm happy with "hardy users have to do some magic to recover" if that's necessary, it would be better for that not to be required | 07:15 |
| slangasek | ArneGoetje: that's from the most recent changelog on scim; what was the u-a call being disabled? | 07:16 |
| ArneGoetje | slangasek: that was the fix, yes | 07:16 |
| cjwatson | also, was the removal of those alternatives from postinst accompanied by a prerm change to remove existing alternatives on upgrade? | 07:16 |
| slangasek | ArneGoetje: "what" was the u-a call being disabled? :) | 07:16 |
| cjwatson | hmm, apparently those alternatives are unconditionally removed on upgrade | 07:17 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: it's the one that's commented out in scim.postinst at the moment | 07:18 |
| cjwatson | #ua_inst all_ALL scim 0 | 07:18 |
| cjwatson | #ua_inst all_ALL scim-immodule 0 | 07:18 |
| ArneGoetje | slangasek: before it was set to scim-bridge, as well as additiinal entries to scim and scim-immodule, but with lower priority. that was amistake | 07:18 |
| slangasek | ok, those are just removals of calls to ua_inst(), which currently DTRT | 07:18 |
| cjwatson | oh, no, I'm wrong | 07:18 |
| slangasek | so it's not the culprit for the manual u-a | 07:18 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: we have some empirical evidence that update-alternatives has ended up in manual mode for the xinput-all_ALL alternative | 07:18 |
| cjwatson | in the buggy cases | 07:18 |
| cjwatson | this class of problem is traditionally an absolute bastard to track down, but usually worth it | 07:19 |
| cjwatson | (and sometimes is a bug in update-alternatives, which is one of the least reliable programs in the dpkg toolchain) | 07:19 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: they will also be removed in prerm | 07:19 |
| cjwatson | worst case, as ogra suggests, a debconf question on upgrade might be the least ugly solution | 07:20 |
| slangasek | hrm, I don't remember if u-a --remove DT"R"T if called for an alternative in manual mode that's pointed at the entry you're removing | 07:20 |
| slangasek | so the alternative was reported to be wrong in the alpha-6 liveCD? | 07:21 |
| cjwatson | if ($mode eq "manual" and $state ne "expected" and (map { $hits += $apath eq $_ } @versions) and $hits and $linkname eq $apath) { | 07:21 |
| cjwatson | &pr(_g("Removing manually selected alternative - switching to auto mode")); | 07:21 |
| slangasek | should be traceable in that case | 07:21 |
| cjwatson | $mode = "auto"; | 07:21 |
| cjwatson | } | 07:21 |
| cjwatson | it's supposed to, at least | 07:21 |
| cjwatson | I'm not sure if it was desktop or alternate, the report wasn't detailed enough | 07:21 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: well, that means that every package upgrade resets the value... | 07:22 |
| slangasek | since they're all being unregistered in prerm and reregistered in postinst | 07:22 |
| cjwatson | hah, yes, apparently | 07:22 |
| cjwatson | this is one of the broken modes of update-alternatives use | 07:22 |
| slangasek | yep | 07:22 |
| cjwatson | (which is UNDOCUMENTED, gah policy rant) | 07:22 |
| slangasek | so I'll dig into the livefs and see if I can confirm the broken alternative there | 07:23 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199030 in scim "Can't close SCIM" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199030 | 07:24 |
| doko_ | fixing bugs in update-alternatives for hardy+1 would be nice ... | 07:24 |
| * cjwatson would just like to say http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=71621 | 07:24 | |
| ubotu | Debian bug 71621 in debian-policy "No policy on calling update-alternatives (was Re: update-alternatives)" [Wishlist,Fixed] | 07:24 |
| cjwatson | (which Manoj closed out of hand) | 07:24 |
| slangasek | heh | 07:25 |
| slangasek | you could reopen it now that Russ is a policy maintainer :-) | 07:25 |
| cjwatson | I think I might | 07:25 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: could you continue to work with Arne to try to nail this down? | 07:26 |
| slangasek | yes | 07:26 |
| cjwatson | great, thanks | 07:27 |
| cjwatson | * Beta status | 07:27 |
| cjwatson | I know we aren't quite frozen yet - anything interesting to report? | 07:27 |
| TheMuso | Wubi installs onto FAT32 partitions are currently a non-event. | 07:27 |
| cjwatson | I wonder if those should just plain be blacklisted | 07:27 |
| cjwatson | "doctor, it hurts when I do this" | 07:28 |
| slangasek | beta is the milestone where aaaaaall the bugs have landed that weren't critical for the alphas | 07:28 |
| TheMuso | Spent time with Agostino today debugging a few things, but still an issue somewhere, where abouts I'm not sure yet. | 07:28 |
| * ogra is heavily disappointed by ram usage of the i810 driver on the classmate ... | 07:28 | |
| slangasek | so there's some triaging to be done, but more importantly there's plenty of bugfixing we should be doing too :) | 07:28 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: Sounds sane to me, since NTFs allows for much larger files, and we can now write to it anyways. | 07:28 |
| ogra | i tried the intel driver by accident, it takes over 30M less reserved ram :( | 07:29 |
| slangasek | (.oO wubi to umsdos...) | 07:29 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: Yes, installing onto FAT32 bails out on first attempted boot from the loop mounted FS. | 07:29 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: oh, sorry, I thought I was making a umsdos joke | 07:30 |
| cjwatson | that is rather a lot of bugs | 07:30 |
| calc | ugh no umsdos die die die | 07:30 |
| evand | ZipSlack will make a comeback someday ;) | 07:30 |
| ogra | yay | 07:31 |
| calc | umsdos on fat16... really good way to eat up all clusters | 07:31 |
| cjwatson | bug 193842 looks complex, and better sooner than later if it's going to land | 07:31 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 193842 in acpi-support "Please sponsor cherrypicked fixes for acpi-support into Hardy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193842 | 07:31 |
| ogra | are we sure these scripts are executed at all with the new power management structure ? | 07:33 |
| * ogra knows modules he lists in /etc/default/acpi-support are definately not unloaded anymore | 07:33 | |
| slangasek | well, I know things aren't firing that I'm expecting to on my Thinkpad | 07:33 |
| slangasek | but I'm not sure whether that's a kernel issue | 07:34 |
| ogra | all i know is that with hardy the PM structure changed a lot leaving everything to hal, having mjg59 taking a look at that bug would be a good thing imho | 07:34 |
| calc | btw are systems supposed to make noise now on sleep/wake? | 07:34 |
| cjwatson | it wouldn't hurt, but since he's formally left the project we cannot rely on him to do it | 07:34 |
| calc | i noticed my laptop started doing that a while back | 07:34 |
| doko_ | had a lot of problems with the lcd brightness not coming up again after sleeping | 07:35 |
| doko_ | but current kernel works | 07:35 |
| ogra | calc, it does that on lid open/close as well ... gpm doesnt have a fine grained scheme for it and just makes noise for everything or nothing | 07:35 |
| calc | ogra: ah | 07:35 |
| slangasek | calc: there's a g-p-m change, if you look under preferences there's "Use sound to notify in event of an error"... it seems to believe that everything is an error | 07:35 |
| dholbach | acpi-support has ~18 bugs with patches attached: http://daniel.holba.ch/really-fix-it | 07:35 |
| ogra | i had disabled it in the past because i didnf fid it suitable without being able to tag events for noise specifically | 07:36 |
| cjwatson | ok, we could probably keep on looking at ACPI bugs all day, but I gathered there were a few other agenda items | 07:36 |
| calc | slangasek: yea it always claims my system doesn't suspend properly but it seems to afaict | 07:36 |
| slangasek | who else do we have that's versed in the current power management structure then? | 07:36 |
| slangasek | pitti? | 07:36 |
| ogra | slangasek, ted does the frontend and matthew the acpi and parts of the kernel stuff | 07:36 |
| cjwatson | pitti is usually a good start for matters of hardware-from-userspace | 07:36 |
| bryce | it suddenly got awfully quiet - is this thing still on? *pff pff* | 07:37 |
| ogra | for hardcore kernel things amit is also a good resource | 07:37 |
| cjwatson | and as ogra says Ted has been taking on gnome-power-manager maintenance | 07:37 |
| cjwatson | bryce: there's been pretty steady conversation for the last 30+ minutes | 07:37 |
| bryce | weird, irc was being hangy. seems better now | 07:38 |
| dholbach | g-p-m has 14 bugs open on http:/daniel.holba.ch/really-fix-it - if we can't review them, maybe we should forward them upstream and see what hughsie says | 07:38 |
| cjwatson | could somebody volunteer to review and sponsor that acpi-support change, please? | 07:39 |
| cjwatson | I suspect that, if it's any good, Daniel Hahler may end up as the de facto acpi-support maintainer ;-) | 07:39 |
| slangasek | I've already followed up to an acpi-support sponsor request, because some of the proposed changes affect my hardware | 07:39 |
| slangasek | I can follow through | 07:39 |
| cjwatson | much appreciated | 07:40 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: you said you had some other agenda items? | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | * There is a crash report for scim-bridge which has lots of duplicates | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | by now. However, I cannot reliably reproduce it. People claim | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | scim-bridge crashes on startup. However, on a recent Live CD and also on | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | my local system, there is no crash. | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | When installing the Live CD from 3 days ago, after reboot, I activated | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | scim support in Language-Selector and did a reboot. After then I opened | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | a terminal and toggeled scim repeatedly by pressing crtl+space multiple | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | times. The crash happened once and never again. Also inputting complex | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | scripts with scim worked. So, as I cannot reliably reproduce this crash, | 07:41 |
| ArneGoetje | I'm asking for help. | 07:41 |
| slangasek | no apport retracer data on it | 07:42 |
| slangasek | ? | 07:42 |
| ArneGoetje | slangasek: the bug has apport data attached. | 07:42 |
| slangasek | bug #? | 07:42 |
| ArneGoetje | bug #199592 | 07:43 |
| * slangasek whimpers | 07:44 | |
| slangasek | that looks like conflicting libstdc++ versions to me | 07:44 |
| ArneGoetje | So, basically my question is, why it happens only in some situations, and whether it really is a scim-bridge bug or libscim, which is in the scim package, or somewhere else... | 07:45 |
| ArneGoetje | I noticed there were some linstdc++ updates in the past days... | 07:45 |
| slangasek | I'm thinking of the class of crash that's caused by having two different libstdc++ sonames loaded in memory at the same time | 07:46 |
| * ArneGoetje has no idea about that | 07:46 | |
| slangasek | it classically affects XIM because XIM is one of the few things that's dynamically loaded by a large range of apps, *and* is written in C++ | 07:46 |
| cjwatson | this is the actual scim-bridge process though, not a random client | 07:46 |
| doko_ | but even the fglrx driver now uses libstdc++.so.6 | 07:47 |
| slangasek | right; I don't know for sure that's the same problem here, but it's the first thing I think of when I see unreproducible crashes in a C++ deconstructor | 07:47 |
| cjwatson | could of course be a poorly-written destructor | 07:47 |
| slangasek | true | 07:47 |
| doko_ | hmm, when was scim-bridge built the last time? | 07:48 |
| slangasek | 6 days ago | 07:48 |
| doko_ | ok | 07:48 |
| cjwatson | scim::Module::unload is not exactly trivial ... | 07:49 |
| cjwatson | calls a bunch of other stuff, does dlclose, etc. | 07:49 |
| cjwatson | but the crash doesn't always seem to be there, either | 07:50 |
| cjwatson | it might be worth running scim-bridge under valgrind | 07:50 |
| cjwatson | doko_: could you help Arne out with this? | 07:51 |
| doko_ | cjwatson: trying, but probably not before Tuesday | 07:51 |
| cjwatson | ok, if the other problems with scim being started by default get fixed, then it will only affect CJK users (for whom presumably it isn't a regression) | 07:52 |
| ArneGoetje | for CJK users it's expected behaviour | 07:52 |
| cjwatson | a crash is not expected behaviour | 07:53 |
| cjwatson | without loss of generality | 07:53 |
| ArneGoetje | I mean scim being started by default :P | 07:53 |
| cjwatson | right, but I didn't :-) | 07:53 |
| ArneGoetje | got it | 07:53 |
| cjwatson | I meant that the crash has presumably been around for a while | 07:53 |
| cjwatson | I'll un-private that bug and stick it on the hardy list | 07:54 |
| ArneGoetje | thanks | 07:54 |
| cjwatson | any other business? | 07:54 |
| asac | two quick questions: | 07:54 |
| TheMuso | Yes, a quick one re minutes. | 07:54 |
| TheMuso | asac: go | 07:54 |
| asac | NetworkManager: does anyone experience issues since 0.6.6? i am especially interested in ipw2X00, madwifi and broadcom things. | 07:54 |
| cjwatson | broadcom seems OK for me so far | 07:55 |
| doko_ | cjwatson: some things ... | 07:55 |
| * ogra is very happy with it on his laptop and on the classmate | 07:55 | |
| * TheMuso hasn't used his ipw2100 for a fair while, but will try with the latest daily. | 07:55 | |
| ogra | (laptop == broadcom as well) | 07:55 |
| asac | TheMuso: please do | 07:55 |
| asac | i dropped a bunch of driver tweaks | 07:55 |
| doko_ | do we want to have bash-completion installed on the desktop? | 07:55 |
| asac | and its hard to judge from bugs if that is just after-upgrade-"noise" | 07:55 |
| asac | 2nd. did anyone retrieve my activity report last week? | 07:55 |
| * ArneGoetje has ipw2200... will try tonight... (no wireless here right now) | 07:55 | |
| doko_ | some users think so, but others disagree. if it's installed, it is enabled by default | 07:56 |
| ogra | doko_, is it big ? does it do any harm sitting on the disk ? | 07:56 |
| cjwatson | 3010 Mar 05 Alexander Sack ( 74) [ACTIVITY] Feb 27 - Mar 04 (asac) | 07:56 |
| cjwatson | 3069 L Mar 12 Alexander Sack ( 59) [ACTIVITY] Mar 05 - Mar 11 | 07:56 |
| doko_ | no harm on the list | 07:56 |
| asac | ArneGoetje: highly appreciated. i have reports about it being broken | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | asac: wfm, ipw3945 (know it's not exactly your target group) | 07:56 |
| slangasek | wasn't it installed by default before (as part of bash)? | 07:56 |
| ArneGoetje | asac: orz | 07:56 |
| doko_ | 120k | 07:56 |
| cjwatson | doko_: I never wanted it enabled by default in the first place, but considered that I'd lost that battle | 07:56 |
| * TheMuso wondered where his useful completion went. | 07:56 | |
| TheMuso | s/his/the/ | 07:56 |
| asac | cjwatson: ok thanks. i still didn't get that. just want to be sure because it contained some valuable content about mozilla translations imo | 07:56 |
| TheMuso | I can live with not having it by default. | 07:57 |
| ogra | doko_, pfft | 07:57 |
| doko_ | slangasek: yes, but I got tired, never getting any replies from upstream | 07:57 |
| ogra | thats nothing | 07:57 |
| asac | ok if you could try all the chipsets you have around i would be happy to receive feedback | 07:57 |
| ogra | imho we should have it ... its comfortable | 07:57 |
| TheMuso | asac: Will keep you posted. | 07:57 |
| asac | TheMuso: go | 07:57 |
| cjwatson | the only thing that ever concerned me about bash-completion was shell startup time | 07:57 |
| doko_ | in the case we still want it, I'd like to seed it for desktop, so that people can uninstall it on the server | 07:57 |
| calc | asac: not sure if this is expected but it seems nm still drops connection on upgrades | 07:58 |
| cjwatson | mainly affecting people like us who start lots of shells | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | Ok. re minutes, this is the 4th week I've done it. While I don't mind doing them, I wonder if people would be up for doing 4 weekly stints of minutes, and then moving onto someone else? | 07:58 |
| asac | calc: thats expected. i will fix that for final (e.g. don't restart at all) | 07:58 |
| calc | asac: ok | 07:58 |
| doko_ | ok, but the lots of you can then remove or disable it | 07:58 |
| ogra | cjwatson, well, give that the terminal we use already grabs 20-25M and is slow anyway, who cares ... | 07:58 |
| ogra | *given | 07:58 |
| asac | not restarting is the official advice from upstream :( | 07:58 |
| cjwatson | ogra: might be the terminal *you* use :-P | 07:58 |
| ogra | cjwatson, i use the one *we* install by default :) | 07:59 |
| doko_ | any disagreement to seed bash-completion again? | 07:59 |
| ogra | the one our users use :) | 07:59 |
| cjwatson | doko_: remove/disable> indeed, I do, but still | 07:59 |
| cjwatson | doko_: bash-completion is a Recommends at present, so it looks like it can be removed already | 07:59 |
| doko_ | we can keep it in universe as well | 07:59 |
| cjwatson | in fact, I appear not to have it installed, presumably by accident | 08:00 |
| cjwatson | ogra: (yeah, this is my one deviation from that rule which I normally do apply to myself) | 08:00 |
| doko_ | next thing: shorewall - do we want to have this in main? | 08:00 |
| cjwatson | I have no objection to bash-completion either being seeded or unseeded; if it is seeded, it should be as a recommends (" * (bash-completion)") | 08:01 |
| ogra | i use xterm on the classmate i must admit :) | 08:01 |
| cjwatson | hang on, let's serialise these agenda items | 08:01 |
| ogra | doko_, i thought that was gone after th discussion a month ago | 08:01 |
| cjwatson | 07:58 <TheMuso> Ok. re minutes, this is the 4th week I've done it. While I don't mind doing them, I wonder if people would be up for doing 4 weekly stints of minutes, and then moving onto someone else? | 08:01 |
| cjwatson | I have no objection to rotating the secretary job if there are other volunteers | 08:02 |
| cjwatson | TheMuso: BTW, as a small tweak, it would be good to have an explicit Actions section at the end with any specific follow-on tasks that have been agreed; I find that useful when it comes to the next meeting | 08:03 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: Ok thanks for feedback. | 08:03 |
| cjwatson | would anyone else like to do this after Luke, with the knowledge that it's for a bounded time? | 08:03 |
| TheMuso | Ok, I'm quite happy to keep doing them for the time being. | 08:04 |
| doko_ | I volunteer, but not for the next two weeks | 08:04 |
| bryce | I can take May | 08:05 |
| cjwatson | thanks, I'm sure even a rotation of three will help; sort it out among yourselves :-) | 08:05 |
| cjwatson | doko_: so, shorewall | 08:05 |
| cjwatson | as contrasted with ufw, presumably | 08:05 |
| doko_ | ok, I'll re-add it to the seeds, with a comment | 08:06 |
| cjwatson | ... (I didn't think that was a decision) | 08:06 |
| doko_ | oops | 08:06 |
| cjwatson | shorewall was in main up to gutsy, so I certainly have no objection to it being added back | 08:06 |
| doko_ | once the bashims were fixed it looks rather stable | 08:07 |
| cjwatson | you removed it, I see | 08:07 |
| cjwatson | - remove shorewall from server-ship (ufw is in main) | 08:07 |
| slangasek | it's not the killer firewall, but ufw isn't today either; and shorewall gives users functionality that ufw doesn't | 08:07 |
| doko_ | yes, but it's still referenced in Kubuntu hardy | 08:07 |
| cjwatson | my gut feeling is that ufw is rather new and relatively untried compared to shorewall, and, while ufw may well turn out to be the future once it's well-integrated, a lot of people will still want to use shorewall for good reasons | 08:07 |
| cjwatson | so I think we should ship it | 08:08 |
| * ArneGoetje is happily using shorewall on all my machines, including laptop :) | 08:08 | |
| cjwatson | technically it should be a server team decision, mind you | 08:08 |
| doko_ | I'll bring it to their attention | 08:09 |
| doko_ | next: any actions about duplicates/unnecessary files on the CDs? | 08:10 |
| cjwatson | but I think it's fine to go for status quo (i.e. ship shorewall, as in gutsy) until they explicitly say otherwise | 08:10 |
| cjwatson | which would correspond to "use ufw in all cases, damn your eyes" | 08:10 |
| cjwatson | can we carry on discussing duplicates/unnecessary files on the list? | 08:11 |
| cjwatson | or perhaps on ubuntu-devel@, since it's currently distro-team@ | 08:11 |
| cjwatson | just conscious that we're over time | 08:11 |
| doko_ | fine with me, sending then to u-d | 08:11 |
| asac | i have another quick one about seeds: the crash reporter of mozilla upstream builds doesn't work in default installs, because we don't ship ca-certificates. any arguments against shipping them? | 08:11 |
| asac | (or make curl depend on ca-certificates) | 08:11 |
| cjwatson | I'm sure we used to ship ca-certificates? | 08:12 |
| ogra | didnt we ship the before ? | 08:12 |
| asac | i think so ... i guess one rdepends got removed from cd | 08:12 |
| cjwatson | no objection to shipping them provided that its (crazy) debconf question doesn't get asked by default | 08:12 |
| cjwatson | unfortunately I suspect it does get asked by default on upgrades, worth checking its priority | 08:12 |
| asac | yes. afaik you don't get asked about that | 08:12 |
| asac | hmm ... really? i never saw any question. but maybe thats because the packages wasn't updated for a while | 08:13 |
| asac | i can check that | 08:13 |
| asac | thanks | 08:13 |
| cjwatson | I'm just going on vague memory, I'm afraid | 08:13 |
| cjwatson | ca-certificates was in dapper/desktop | 08:13 |
| cjwatson | dependency of libcurl3 | 08:14 |
| cjwatson | apparently it fell out in gutsy | 08:14 |
| asac | hmmm ... libcurl3-gnutls has a recommends on it now | 08:14 |
| cjwatson | might have to duplicate that recommendation in the seeds, then, until such time as we do recommends-by-default | 08:15 |
| asac | yep | 08:15 |
| asac | thanks | 08:15 |
| cjwatson | which I think fell out of hardy because the ball was in too many people's courts | 08:15 |
| cjwatson | ok, 15 minutes over time, so let's adjourn | 08:15 |
| cjwatson | thanks all | 08:15 |
| TheMuso | Thanks. | 08:15 |
| asac | thanks all | 08:15 |
| slangasek | thanks | 08:15 |
| ogra | thanks | 08:15 |
| TheMuso | Minutes will be out tomorrow. | 08:15 |
| * asac hugs TheMuso | 08:16 | |
| bryce | thanks | 08:16 |
| cjwatson | great | 08:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199592 in scim-bridge "scim-bridge crashed with SIGSEGV in scim::Module::unload()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199592 | 08:16 |
| ArneGoetje | thanks | 08:16 |
| evand | thanks | 08:18 |
| calc | goodnight :) | 08:18 |
| cjwatson | sleep well, USians | 08:19 |
| * bryce zzz's | 08:19 | |
| bryce | (early meeting tomorrow) | 08:19 |
| evand | heh, thanks | 08:21 |
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| RichEd | hello ... who's here for the education meeting ? | 12:04 |
| * stgraber waves | 12:04 | |
| RichEd | hi stgraber :) | 12:04 |
| * ogra_cmpc waves ... very tired | 12:05 | |
| ogra_cmpc | only us three ? | 12:06 |
| RichEd | well apart from the passive lurkers ... looks like it | 12:06 |
| RichEd | let's whip through a tech status then ... | 12:07 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, i somewhat lost track with edubuntu the last days, was sitting in a cave and finishing the autobuilder and writing the new installer | 12:07 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 12:07 | |
| ogra_cmpc | on my for fixes i have the edubuntu-addon metatdata ... there is still the xfce entry in there which doesnt do anything anymore | 12:08 |
| ogra_cmpc | and te edubuntu entry needs a proper short descritipon ... | 12:09 |
| RichEd | ahhh .. | 12:09 |
| * RichEd spots the delayed wave from Hobbsee all the way from oz | 12:09 | |
| Hobbsee | RichEd: :) | 12:10 |
| ogra_cmpc | there is still some gfxboot work i didnt manage yet (adding LTSP to the modes menu and somehow find a way to prevent teh addon cd from looking like a install cd if you boot it) ... i was pondering to ask cjwatson for help here | 12:10 |
| ogra_cmpc | gfxboot is a beast and takes more time than i want to understand it atm | 12:10 |
| ogra_cmpc | s/want/have/ | 12:11 |
| ogra_cmpc | beyond that the cds should be pretty much in shape | 12:11 |
| ogra_cmpc | s/cds/cd/ | 12:11 |
| ogra_cmpc | :D | 12:11 |
| ogra_cmpc | you will have seen me throwing around classmate images ... so classmate is also starting to look pretty well ... better and better every day | 12:12 |
| ogra_cmpc | for ltsp i plan a final upload for tonight or tommorw, there are a bunch of bugs with fixes i want to include before we freeze to deep .... | 12:14 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, thats about it from the tech side | 12:14 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'd like to note that artwork freeze is tomorrow | 12:14 |
| RichEd | gimme a sec ... getting power | 12:14 |
| ogra_cmpc | which means we'll likely not have anything new in hardy | 12:14 |
| ogra_cmpc | and there are a bunch of edubuntu-doc bugs that need a helping hand (not sure if laserjock went over them already) | 12:15 |
| RichEd | is that an absolute art final, or is there a sneak it in route i've heard mentioned :) | 12:15 |
| ogra_cmpc | the artwork thing is quite bad btw .... | 12:16 |
| ogra_cmpc | no official one | 12:16 |
| ogra_cmpc | we have an LTS this time | 12:16 |
| RichEd | okay ... and what time tomorrow is the freeze ? | 12:16 |
| ogra_cmpc | and that means the doc teams will want to have a fixed UI state for their screenshots etc | 12:16 |
| ogra_cmpc | there is no time | 12:16 |
| RichEd | so is the end of the day US time acceptable ? | 12:17 |
| ogra_cmpc | slangasek is our release manager ... he will call out the freeze at will | 12:17 |
| RichEd | i'll hav a word with him ... see how flexible he could be ... | 12:17 |
| ogra_cmpc | not sure what time he prefers, but he sits in US westcoast ... | 12:17 |
| ogra_cmpc | so rather late tomorrow i guess | 12:18 |
| ogra_cmpc | (i also think he"s more concerned about teh beta freeze than about artwork :) they are the same date this time) | 12:18 |
| RichEd | great ... even if we polish one of the alternates from the last round ... a different desktop for LTS would be good | 12:19 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, i dont see anything i'd like to ship in the alternates | 12:19 |
| * RichEd will drive that, and kep ogra_cmpc informed | 12:19 | |
| ogra_cmpc | else i would have added one already during the dev cycle | 12:19 |
| ogra_cmpc | thanks :) | 12:19 |
| RichEd | let me touch sides with ideas tomorrow | 12:19 |
| RichEd | a couple of classmate questions for you, but i'll grab you later for that ... they are intel device specific | 12:20 |
| ogra_cmpc | ok | 12:20 |
| RichEd | stgraber: can you give me an update on iTalc ... with comments from ogra_cmpc about the odds of inclusion ? | 12:20 |
| ogra_cmpc | its in sinc4e we4eks | 12:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | oops | 12:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | its in since weeks | 12:21 |
| RichEd | 4sure | 12:21 |
| RichEd | :) | 12:21 |
| RichEd | excellemt | 12:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | i reported that three weeks ago or so in the meeting :) | 12:21 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: is it on the add-on CD ? | 12:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | the client is even installed in the default classmate install now | 12:21 |
| RichEd | my head has been bent a bit of late ... may need reminders at times :) | 12:21 |
| RichEd | w00t re classmate :) | 12:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | stgraber, just in main yet, i havent done the last seed shuffle dance yet | 12:22 |
| * RichEd hands an ubuntu noddy badge to stgraber and ogra | 12:22 | |
| stgraber | btw, I pinged upstream a bit earlier and he'll see what he can do to give us a patch for the MMX and bug fixes | 12:22 |
| ogra_cmpc | do we have a bug with the patch already ? or only the mail you sent me ? | 12:23 |
| RichEd | stgraber: is upstream positive about our use of it and inclusion ? | 12:23 |
| stgraber | yes and he's helped me quite a lot for it | 12:24 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: only the mail | 12:24 |
| RichEd | great ... cc me in the next mail to him, and i will extend our thanks | 12:24 |
| RichEd | please :) | 12:24 |
| ogra_cmpc | ok, we need a bug for pitti/slangasek then | 12:24 |
| stgraber | RichEd: sure | 12:25 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: ok, I'll open one with the same info has I emailed you | 12:25 |
| ogra_cmpc | thanks a lot | 12:26 |
| RichEd | okay stgraber / ogra_cmpc / Hobbsee ... any other urgent issues ? | 12:26 |
| * RichEd does not have anything else to raise today ... need to get work done for meetings and freeze tomorrow | 12:27 | |
| ogra_cmpc | same here | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | RichEd: if you've got edubuntu-specific stuff to freeze, which doesn't affect the rest, you should be OK | 12:27 |
| stgraber | nothing from me | 12:27 |
| ogra_cmpc | and i had a 8am meeting already | 12:27 |
| RichEd | ogra_cmpc: can i grab you at the top of the hour for 15 / 20 mins ? | 12:27 |
| ogra_cmpc | (after 3h of sleep ...) | 12:27 |
| ogra_cmpc | sure | 12:27 |
| RichEd | anti-theft and other fiddly bits ... need an update | 12:28 |
| ogra_cmpc | lets see how much i can squeeze out of my brain still :) | 12:28 |
| * ogra_cmpc is curious about the fiddly bits | 12:28 | |
| RichEd | ogra_cmpc: if we add our two brains together, we may have at least half a decent one to chat with some sense | 12:28 |
| ogra_cmpc | heh | 12:29 |
| RichEd | the proprietary drive issues ... them fiddly bits | 12:29 |
| RichEd | *driver | 12:29 |
| ogra_cmpc | there are proprietary drivers ? | 12:29 |
| RichEd | sonic etc. | 12:29 |
| * ogra_cmpc wasnt aware and didnt plan anything ... | 12:29 | |
| RichEd | me repeats the call for issues ... and raises the gavel in anticipation | 12:30 |
| * RichEd looks around | 12:30 | |
| * RichEd counts to 10 | 12:30 | |
| RichEd | going once ... | 12:30 |
| RichEd | twice ... | 12:30 |
| RichEd | and that's a BONG and thanks ... | 12:31 |
| ogra_cmpc | thanks | 12:31 |
| RichEd | will be in the channel if needed | 12:31 |
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| cjwatson | ogra_cmpc_: oh, you want LTSP on Edubuntu's modes menu? | 13:19 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | cjwatson, in alternates modes menu | 13:20 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | there is no edubuntu cd with ltsp anymore :) | 13:20 |
| cjwatson | err, right | 13:20 |
| cjwatson | ok, that should be easy | 13:20 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | how freeze critical is that ? | 13:20 |
| cjwatson | it doesn't require a package upload, but we should still do it sooner rather than later | 13:21 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | i would prefer to do it myself but i'm kneedeep in classmate stuff and wouldnt like to hibernate the enthusiasm | 13:21 |
| cjwatson | why don't I do it now and mail you the diff so that you can grok it | 13:21 |
| cjwatson | and then you get to do the next similar change :) | 13:21 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | that would be great | 13:21 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | thanks :) | 13:21 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | another thing i thought about is the edubuntu cd ... cant we just drop the bootloader completely during build ? | 13:22 |
| cjwatson | we could, true | 13:22 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | so the BIOS cares and we dont need to make up special artwork, translations etc | 13:22 |
| cjwatson | it would be a bit unhelpful but possibly better than a bootloader that doesn't work | 13:22 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | right | 13:23 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | and making it pretty is a bit more work imho ... | 13:23 |
| cjwatson | ogra_cmpc_: ok, both done | 13:28 |
| ogra_cmpc_ | thanks, that takes some pressure away | 13:29 |
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| nand | #ubuntu-testing | 13:40 |
| nand | :} | 13:40 |
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| pedro_ | hello hello | 16:00 |
| * Iulian waves | 16:00 | |
| ogasawara | hi | 16:00 |
| pedro_ | hey Iulian, hello ogasawara | 16:00 |
| liw_ | heippa | 16:00 |
| pedro_ | hola liw_ | 16:00 |
| nand | bonjour! | 16:01 |
| bdmurray | howdy | 16:01 |
| pedro_ | salut | 16:01 |
| heno | hello! | 16:01 |
| Iulian | Hiya | 16:02 |
| * stgraber waves | 16:02 | |
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| heno | My system just died a minute ago, had to reboot :( | 16:02 |
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| heno | I'll need to investigate that after the meeting | 16:03 |
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| heno | bdmurray, ogasawara: here? | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | ype | 16:03 |
| ogasawara | heno: yup | 16:03 |
| heno | ok | 16:03 |
| heno | #startmeeting | 16:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:04. The chair is heno. | 16:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:04 |
| heno | not many agenda items today: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings | 16:04 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Beta testing preparations | 16:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Beta testing preparations | 16:05 |
| heno | davmor2 and I met on Saturday to talk about Beta+ testing | 16:05 |
| heno | I've drawn up a proposed schedule here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Schedule | 16:06 |
| heno | according to which testing starts tomorrow | 16:07 |
| heno | I'll write the distro team about contributing and blog as well | 16:08 |
| heno | I'll be asking for help mostly toward the end -- ISO validation testing - March 18-19 | 16:08 |
| heno | ok, next | 16:09 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Testing wiki pages refreshed - please review | 16:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Testing wiki pages refreshed - please review | 16:09 |
| heno | that's mostly done. We still need to update some test cases | 16:10 |
| heno | I'll post to the QA list regarding new features that we should cover | 16:10 |
| bdmurray | I've been looking at the pages a bit this morning | 16:11 |
| liw_ | the update is done, or the review is done? | 16:11 |
| heno | update | 16:11 |
| liw_ | so it's still good to review, check | 16:11 |
| heno | I've been looking at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing for ideas for new test cases. | 16:12 |
| heno | But further suggestions are welcome | 16:12 |
| bdmurray | Does the FixValidation page overlap a lot with FixesToVerify? | 16:12 |
| heno | bdmurray: not really | 16:13 |
| heno | FixValidation is supposed to be bugs fixed since the milestone freeze | 16:13 |
| heno | so in the past 2-3 days at that point | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | okay | 16:14 |
| heno | making sure that code we _just_ touched didn't break anything | 16:14 |
| heno | both are useful to test from in that period though | 16:15 |
| heno | bdmurray: thanks, I should clarify that on the page | 16:15 |
| heno | so, please look the pages over for sanity and readability | 16:16 |
| heno | that should cover that topic | 16:16 |
| heno | bdmurray: how has your yesterday page been working? | 16:17 |
| bdmurray | It has been interesting to me at least. | 16:17 |
| heno | also an interesting page is http://daniel.holba.ch/really-fix-it/ | 16:17 |
| ogasawara | I was going through the really-fix-it kernel bugs yesterday | 16:17 |
| heno | bdmurray: perhaps you can get the progress meter from there | 16:18 |
| bdmurray | heno: that's an interesting idea | 16:18 |
| heno | I looked at the abiword bugs and it seems they will all stay on the list | 16:18 |
| heno | they are fixed upstream in v. 2.6 which I don't think we'll get until intrepid | 16:19 |
| pedro_ | right, bumping to 2.6 wouldn't be nice at this stage... | 16:20 |
| heno | There should perhaps be a way of marking such bugs as 'have-looked-at-not-for-hardy' <- dholbach | 16:20 |
| heno | any other topics today? | 16:23 |
| bdmurray | heno: Have you been looking at Hardy nominations at all? | 16:23 |
| heno | bdmurray: no I haven't | 16:23 |
| bdmurray | Maybe we should review those again. | 16:24 |
| heno | bdmurray: do you have the URL handy? | 16:24 |
| dholbach | heno: not very easy to do | 16:24 |
| heno | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+nominations | 16:25 |
| bdmurray | heno: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+nominations | 16:25 |
| bdmurray | ;) | 16:25 |
| heno | dholbach: with a tag perhaps and mark it on the list with an * ? | 16:26 |
| dholbach | or milestone it as 'later'? | 16:26 |
| heno | that'll work | 16:26 |
| dholbach | ok, I'll document that on the page and filter them out | 16:26 |
| heno | so the nomination list is long again :) | 16:27 |
| bdmurray | Couldn't we get an Ibex milestone setup rather than using Later? | 16:27 |
| heno | dholbach: cool! | 16:27 |
| bdmurray | Because they would just need to move from later to Ibex | 16:27 |
| liw_ | Ibex? | 16:27 |
| bdmurray | liw_: Intrepid? | 16:28 |
| stgraber | intrepid | 16:28 |
| liw_ | ah, right | 16:28 |
| heno | so how do we triage the nominated bugs at this stage? Milestone the serious looking ones? | 16:28 |
| bdmurray | and the In Progress ones. ;) | 16:28 |
| heno | that would bring it onto the lists the developers and release managers look at | 16:29 |
| heno | my guess is there is already a fair bit of overlap | 16:29 |
| heno | ok, let's all have a look at the list and reduce it a bit for the next meeting | 16:30 |
| heno | then we'll have a better idea of what it contains | 16:30 |
| heno | bdmurray: thanks for bringing that up | 16:31 |
| bdmurray | Sounds good. Who should we speak to about adding an Intrepid milestone? | 16:31 |
| heno | bdmurray: any LP admin I think, so kiko or mdz for example | 16:32 |
| heno | bdmurray: will you take that? | 16:32 |
| heno | I'll make a start on nominations today | 16:32 |
| bdmurray | heno: okay, I'm pretty sure we have the power I'm not certain on the procedure | 16:32 |
| bdmurray | anyway I'll look into it | 16:33 |
| heno | likely not documented on the LP wiki | 16:33 |
| heno | thanks | 16:33 |
| heno | anything else? | 16:33 |
| heno | ok, thanks everyone! | 16:35 |
| heno | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 16:35. | 16:35 |
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| liw_ | heno, just in case it's memory, you may want to run memtest86+ from the grub menu, for at least 12 hours, preferably 24 | 16:36 |
| heno | liw_: that is a good candidate, yes | 16:37 |
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| keescook | @now utc | 19:00 |
| ubotu | Current time in Etc/UTC: March 12 2008, 19:00:22 - Next meeting: Server Team in 1 hour 59 minutes | 19:00 |
| keescook | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is keescook. | 19:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:00 |
| keescook | [topic] introductions | 19:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: introductions | 19:00 |
| * propagandist waves | 19:00 | |
| keescook | okay, are people here for the security team meeting? :) hi propagandist | 19:00 |
| keescook | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 19:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 19:01 |
| keescook | there is the agenda for today's meeting | 19:01 |
| emgent | @schedule rome | 19:01 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 12 Mar 22:00: Server Team | 14 Mar 21:00: MOTU | 14 Mar 22:00: REVU Coordination | 19 Mar 22:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 22:00: Server Team | 19:01 |
| emgent | hi keescook | 19:01 |
| keescook | heya emgent | 19:02 |
| keescook | looks like joejaxx isn't here, but I'd like to still cover the TODO list/Roadmap | 19:02 |
| emgent | jdstrand, :) | 19:02 |
| keescook | is anyone from motu-swat here to do membership stuff for that team? | 19:02 |
| * jdstrand got confused with the recent change to EDT | 19:03 | |
| keescook | well, and I tried to trick every one by moving it an hour in UTC too. :P | 19:03 |
| jdstrand | very sneaky indeed | 19:04 |
| keescook | Fujitsu: are you here? (ScottK, Nafallo, and sistypot aren't -- the other motu-swat admins) | 19:05 |
| keescook | okay, well, I'll mark the motu-swat agenda item as postponed for now. | 19:05 |
| keescook | alright, moving forward... | 19:06 |
| keescook | [topic] CVE review | 19:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: CVE review | 19:06 |
| keescook | the only item I have here is to call attention to the -proposed version of mysql that jdstrand prepared. | 19:06 |
| jdstrand | hey I was going to do that | 19:07 |
| keescook | have at it. :) | 19:07 |
| keescook | [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-March/025173.html | 19:07 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-March/025173.html | 19:07 |
| jdstrand | the bug is #201009 | 19:07 |
| jdstrand | bug #201009 | 19:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 201009 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "[mysql-dfsg-5.0] fix for several open vulnerabilities in -proposed" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201009 | 19:07 |
| jdstrand | we need testing of the -proposed packages with feedback put in that bug | 19:08 |
| keescook | anyone running mysql that can give it a go? | 19:08 |
| jdstrand | the summary is that there were several CVEs that are fixed, but two of them, CVE-2007-6303 and CVE-2007-2692 were fairly intrusive | 19:08 |
| ubotu | MySQL 5.0.x before 5.0.51a, 5.1.x before 5.1.23, and 6.0.x before 6.0.4 does not update the DEFINER value of a view when the view is altered, which allows remote authenticated users to gain privileges via a sequence of statements including a CREATE SQL SECURITY DEFINER VIEW statement and an ALTER VIEW statement. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-6303) | 19:08 |
| ubotu | The mysql_change_db function in MySQL 5.0.x before 5.0.40 and 5.1.x before 5.1.18 does not restore THD::db_access privileges when returning from SQL SECURITY INVOKER stored routines, which allows remote authenticated users to gain privileges. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2692) | 19:08 |
| jdstrand | you go ubotu | 19:09 |
| jdstrand | anyhoo, the packages have gone through quite a bit of testing already and are in good shape as far as I can tell, but it be nice to get more testing | 19:09 |
| jdstrand | dapper - feisty primarily | 19:10 |
| sdh | oops, hi | 19:10 |
| jdstrand | gutsy is close enough to upstream that it wasn't affected be these | 19:10 |
| jdstrand | that came out weird | 19:10 |
| jdstrand | gutsy isn't affected by those | 19:11 |
| jdstrand | heh | 19:11 |
| jdstrand | ok, that was wrong | 19:11 |
| keescook | heh :) | 19:11 |
| jdstrand | gutsy is affected by 6303, but is close enough to the current upstream that its patch wasn't intrusive | 19:12 |
| * jdstrand tried to be too brief in his summary | 19:12 | |
| keescook | cool. so, anyone listening, please enable -proposed and give some feedback. :) | 19:12 |
| keescook | any other CVE issues people want to bring up? | 19:12 |
| keescook | [topic] Contributing to ubuntu-cve-tracker | 19:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Contributing to ubuntu-cve-tracker | 19:13 |
| keescook | okay, so, the Ubuntu CVE tracker is used to ... track CVEs | 19:14 |
| keescook | [link] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker | 19:14 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker | 19:14 |
| keescook | we're all doing lots of CVE updates, and I'd like to have more people from motu-swat reviewing the open CVEs | 19:15 |
| keescook | Fujitsu did a few great passes at it, but it still needs more work | 19:15 |
| keescook | the process is fairly well documented in the README | 19:15 |
| keescook | [link] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/ubuntu-cve-tracker/master/files | 19:15 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/ubuntu-cve-tracker/master/files | 19:15 |
| jdstrand | in addition to getting it up to date, ubuntu-cve-tracker is the main method we use to coordinate wok on the CVEs | 19:15 |
| keescook | before the next meeting, I'll make sure we have a published "open CVE" list so it's easier for people to see the work | 19:16 |
| keescook | [action] keescook to get HTML publication finalized | 19:16 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: keescook to get HTML publication finalized | 19:16 |
| jdstrand | it is important that if we are preparing updates that we check ubuntu-cve-tracker to see if the CVE is assigned to someone, so there isn't duplicate work | 19:16 |
| jdstrand | (this happened recently) | 19:17 |
| keescook | emgent: have you had a chance to check out a branch of this? | 19:17 |
| jdstrand | if it's assigned to someone, then ping that person to see what's going on | 19:17 |
| emgent | yep | 19:17 |
| emgent | i use this for working | 19:17 |
| keescook | emgent: cool. if you have any changes, please push up a branch and we can merge in your updates | 19:18 |
| emgent | ok i will do. | 19:18 |
| jdstrand | seems that is the best way to go | 19:18 |
| keescook | okay... moving on | 19:18 |
| keescook | [topic] To-Do List (Expanding our Roadmap) | 19:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: To-Do List (Expanding our Roadmap) | 19:18 |
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| keescook | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap | 19:19 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap | 19:19 |
| jdstrand | motu-swat people check out their branch, keep it up to date with master, and keescook and I will pull in the changes | 19:19 |
| jdstrand | lp has a way to request a merge that makes it very convenient | 19:19 |
| keescook | I'd like to see more things listed on the ST roadmap :) | 19:19 |
| jdstrand | Fujitsu did that the other day and it worked great | 19:19 |
| keescook | if people have ideas about stuff they want to work on, please add it to the roadmap. | 19:20 |
| jdstrand | yikes, I didn't think we were done with u-c-t yet | 19:20 |
| keescook | I'd love to get all the non-exec stack bugs closed, too. | 19:20 |
| keescook | jdstrand: np, it was kind of a short topic -- not a big group today | 19:20 |
| keescook | [action] keescook to add non-exec stack bug list to roadmap | 19:21 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: keescook to add non-exec stack bug list to roadmap | 19:21 |
| emgent | :) | 19:21 |
| keescook | anyone have anything else they want to see on the TODO list? | 19:21 |
| emgent | not now, for me | 19:22 |
| jdstrand | though it overlaps with the server team | 19:22 |
| jdstrand | I think apparmor profiles would be great | 19:22 |
| keescook | one idea I had was to add a "wishlist" section to the roadmap, and point anyone there that had ideas they wanted to see implemented. | 19:22 |
| keescook | ooh, yeah | 19:22 |
| gaten | what about something like a bastille script for ubuntu?? | 19:23 |
| keescook | I don't mind having TODO items duplicated between teams -- more chance people will work on it :) | 19:23 |
| jdstrand | while I haven't tried it, wouldn't Debian's bastille work fine on ubuntu? | 19:23 |
| keescook | I'd also like to add "build FAQ" to the TODO list | 19:24 |
| gaten | +1 for the wishlist | 19:24 |
| jdstrand | I like the wishlist idea too | 19:24 |
| emgent | +1 too | 19:24 |
| gaten | jdstrand: quite possible. sounds like a TODO | 19:25 |
| mathiaz | keescook: one of the problem with a whishlist section in the Roadmap is that it can become a long landry list | 19:25 |
| keescook | mathiaz: true. I figure if it gets that way, we can move it to another page. | 19:25 |
| mathiaz | keescook: That's why the server Team has a IdeaPool page that is separate from the Roadmpa | 19:25 |
| gaten | jdstrand: but i would like to see a hardened default config | 19:25 |
| mathiaz | keescook: the desktop team has a vision wiki page for long term and todo for short trem | 19:26 |
| keescook | gaten: "hardened" means so many things. what parts did you have in mind? | 19:26 |
| mathiaz | keescook: and people tend to start discussing things under the wishlist point | 19:26 |
| keescook | mathiaz: I'm all for generating discussion. any significantly large discussion can be turned into a Blueprint. :) | 19:27 |
| gaten | keescook: the basics first. umask, ulimit, read access to logs etc | 19:27 |
| gaten | and i would like to see a firewall thats enabled and has some actual rules on by default. | 19:28 |
| sdh | agreed on firewall | 19:28 |
| keescook | gaten: some of that already exists -- it's be great to document a checklist. Can you write a wiki page for that, and link to it in the Wishlist section? | 19:29 |
| jdstrand | gaten: not sure if you are referring to ufw there, but after an install, a simple 'sudo ufw enable' and you've got a good host-based firewall | 19:29 |
| keescook | (I've added Wishlist and FAQ to the Roadmap now) | 19:29 |
| gaten | keescook: sure. when will this whislist be available? | 19:29 |
| gaten | ahh, nvm | 19:29 |
| keescook | also, I'd like to see the "KnowledgeBase" link to something useful. | 19:30 |
| gaten | jdstrand: ahh, wasn;t aware it shipped w/ rules available. but it should still be part of the setup, like 'Do you want to enable the firewall on startup' | 19:30 |
| keescook | I figure lists of links to other information could be handy there (oss-security link, CVE tracker link, you name it) | 19:30 |
| gaten | another item I have brought up on the list-server but have done nothing about: chrooted packages (ie apt-get install LAMP-chroot) | 19:31 |
| jdstrand | gaten: that is a hard problem and very site-specific | 19:32 |
| jdstrand | however, the 'M' in LAMP is now in apparmor enforcing mode | 19:32 |
| keescook | :) | 19:32 |
| jdstrand | gaten: I have been thinking about how to deal with 'A' | 19:33 |
| gaten | jdstrand: what about using bind-chroot as a stepping stone? and another thing, does chroot become moot if apparmor/selinux are implimented? | 19:33 |
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| jdstrand | gaten: re> chroot moor -- basically yes | 19:33 |
| keescook | gaten: depends ... I'd say that might be true if kvm/xen are used too | 19:33 |
| jdstrand | gaten: you get a lot of pain for little gain | 19:33 |
| keescook | some people use chroots to split up service configs. *shrug* | 19:33 |
| gaten | well apache is the easiest to chroot of em all, and there are so many scripts out there for it. also you've got mod-chroot if you wanna take the easy way out, still don't think its as secure though | 19:33 |
| jdstrand | gaten: and it isn't apache that is the problem, it is wirtual hosting and added packages | 19:34 |
| jdstrand | virtual even | 19:34 |
| gaten | yes, and updating. ive played that game before | 19:34 |
| jdstrand | me too | 19:34 |
| jdstrand | which is why apparmor and selinux can help quite a bit here | 19:34 |
| gaten | which is why i have wet dreams of apt-get update lam-chroot ;) | 19:35 |
| keescook | hehe | 19:35 |
| emgent | hahha | 19:35 |
| keescook | okay, move on? | 19:35 |
| gaten | ok, so hold off on that for now then | 19:35 |
| jdstrand | however, more thought needs to be done on the packaging of the added software and dealing with virtual hosts in a sane way that is easy to profile | 19:35 |
| keescook | we're skipping MOTU-SWAT membership since we lack any motu-swat admins | 19:35 |
| jdstrand | gaten: it is absolutely an idea though, feel free to add it :) | 19:35 |
| keescook | [topic] SELinux progress | 19:35 |
| MootBot | New Topic: SELinux progress | 19:36 |
| keescook | propagandist: all yours | 19:36 |
| propagandist | hey everyone | 19:36 |
| propagandist | A new bug fix release of SETools was released today which includes transitional packages (and should resolve the major complaint with the last FFE request). | 19:36 |
| keescook | excellent | 19:36 |
| keescook | oh, ubotu just left | 19:36 |
| propagandist | An official release of SELinux was done last week as well. | 19:36 |
| keescook | for the logs, setools FFe is bug 198391 | 19:37 |
| propagandist | I'll be integrating these into the packages and reposting to REVU. | 19:37 |
| keescook | propagandist: ah! that's good news. I'm glad to see that SELinux release. | 19:37 |
| propagandist | for SETools that means updating the ffe as well | 19:37 |
| propagandist | for the rest of them do I need to do an FFE? | 19:37 |
| propagandist | keescook: ;o} | 19:37 |
| keescook | propagandist: is it a new upstream version? if so, yes. | 19:37 |
| keescook | what do we gain by updating SELinux? | 19:38 |
| keescook | [link] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198391 | 19:38 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/bugs/198391 | 19:38 |
| jdstrand | is this 3.3.4 or a more major update? | 19:38 |
| propagandist | not too much I would think | 19:39 |
| propagandist | its 3.3.4 | 19:39 |
| jdstrand | as this FFE isn't accepted yet, could it just be updated? | 19:39 |
| propagandist | the upstream selinux ones would only have the advantage of using an official release (but they are basically the same as what we have now) | 19:39 |
| keescook | propagandist: if the changelog is small, I'm for it, just to be on a "known" release version. | 19:40 |
| propagandist | jdstrand: yes for setools, i will update the ffe | 19:40 |
| keescook | [link] http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/code/download-trunk.cfm | 19:40 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/code/download-trunk.cfm | 19:40 |
| keescook | I see it's at 2.0.59 | 19:40 |
| propagandist | yup and we are curretly on 2.0.55 | 19:41 |
| keescook | propagandist: so, beyond those things, how is SELinux on Hardy for you guys? Has it tested out well? | 19:41 |
| propagandist | keescook: it looks good to me, there is still a mislabeled cups file i need to fix, and some upgrade problems with sepolgen, but in general it looks good | 19:42 |
| propagandist | keescook: of course I will be fixing those -^ | 19:43 |
| keescook | propagandist: okay -- beta freeze starts tomorrow IIRC, so I'd recommend focusing on bug fixes first, then FFe later -- the FFes might not get through :) | 19:43 |
| propagandist | keescook: kk | 19:43 |
| propagandist | anyone else had a chance to poke at it? | 19:43 |
| keescook | I booted it once found myself in unconfined X11 session, but it all appears to be running. | 19:44 |
| keescook | I haven't tried the relabeling since the fsck/usplash integration work was finished. | 19:44 |
| keescook | I think it'll just look like a regular fsck | 19:44 |
| keescook | ajmitch, siretart: you guys here? have you played with SELinux in Hardy yet? | 19:45 |
| keescook | propagandist: did you reproduce the unconfined X session, or do I just have a weird install? | 19:46 |
| propagandist | keescook: I haven't been able to reproduce it :( | 19:46 |
| keescook | heh, okay. I'll give it another shot now that I've got kvm running sanely. | 19:47 |
| keescook | alright, shall we move on? | 19:47 |
| propagandist | keescook: but maybe i'm misunderstanding because you should be unconfined_t | 19:47 |
| keescook | oh, that's what I was seeing | 19:47 |
| propagandist | ah | 19:47 |
| propagandist | ;o} well all is good then | 19:47 |
| mathiaz | propagandist: keescook you may wanna ask on ubuntu-hardened for more selinux testing on hardy | 19:47 |
| keescook | I'm still an SENewb :) | 19:47 |
| propagandist | ;o} | 19:48 |
| propagandist | mathiaz: will do | 19:48 |
| keescook | mathiaz: good idea | 19:48 |
| mathiaz | and add ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com in the game also | 19:48 |
| keescook | [action] propagandist to bring up SELinux testing on u-hardened and u-server lists | 19:48 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: propagandist to bring up SELinux testing on u-hardened and u-server lists | 19:48 |
| propagandist | kk, i'm all out of status | 19:49 |
| keescook | okay... Selinux gui utils is skipping (joejaxx is gone) | 19:50 |
| keescook | er, skipped | 19:50 |
| keescook | [topic] Hardening Wrapper testing | 19:50 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Hardening Wrapper testing | 19:50 |
| keescook | so, I recompiled all of "main" will the wrappers enabled. | 19:50 |
| keescook | I tried full, no-pie, and no-hardening. | 19:51 |
| keescook | overall, the results were good | 19:51 |
| keescook | [link] http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/hardening/ | 19:51 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kees/hardening/ | 19:51 |
| keescook | I have all the build logs saved | 19:51 |
| keescook | but I threw out the .debs since I didn't have space for it | 19:51 |
| keescook | if people are interested in going through the "ok-nohardening.txt" file to figure out what's failing, and opening bugs for it, that would rock | 19:52 |
| keescook | (same goes for ok-nopie.txt, but those are likely a bit trickier) | 19:52 |
| jdstrand | keescook: did you get a chance to try the rebuild with the i386 personality? | 19:52 |
| keescook | jdstrand: oh! no, I didn't. | 19:53 |
| keescook | I will start one up over the weekend. | 19:53 |
| gaten | keescook: do we have a priority for certain packages in nohardening? | 19:53 |
| keescook | I'm also considering generating a PPA that is exclusively hardened builds. | 19:53 |
| jdstrand | <mrburns>excellent</mrburns> | 19:53 |
| keescook | gaten: no real priority -- my goal is to have those two text files be 0 length by the end of intrepid. :) | 19:54 |
| keescook | but I know it's going to be a lot of work. | 19:54 |
| gaten | heh, roger that | 19:54 |
| keescook | I want to run the PPA idea past the soyuz folks so I don't get poked in the eye :) | 19:54 |
| siretart | keescook: re selinux in hardy: yes, at my departmend we had a course (a week fulltime) were two students played with selinux in hardy | 19:55 |
| keescook | a concern brought up on the Debian devel mailing list is one of performance. All the measurements I've done show less than 1% loss for PIE | 19:56 |
| keescook | siretart: the new stuff that tresys has worked on? | 19:56 |
| siretart | exactly. I instructed them to use the ubuntu-hardened PPA | 19:56 |
| keescook | PIE> I am not a statistician. :) | 19:56 |
| keescook | siretart: cool! | 19:56 |
| propagandist | siretart: !! | 19:57 |
| siretart | the objective was writing 2 policy modules: one for mt-daapd and one for boxbackup | 19:57 |
| propagandist | siretart: awsome :o} how did it go? | 19:57 |
| siretart | propagandist: the __sns__ guy was one of the two students, you remember? ;) | 19:57 |
| siretart | both were successfully | 19:57 |
| siretart | some tools behaved a bit strange compared to fedora | 19:57 |
| propagandist | oh? which ones? | 19:58 |
| siretart | IIRC adding new selinux users, and listing selinux users. it looked like ubuntu had a different version of the tools or something | 19:59 |
| siretart | I have to admit that I don't remember exactly | 20:00 |
| propagandist | ah i see | 20:00 |
| jdstrand | siretart: how long ago was this? | 20:00 |
| siretart | 18.2.2008-22.2.2008 | 20:00 |
| siretart | was that course | 20:00 |
| keescook | emgent had to leave early due to stuff out of his control, so he asked that his topics be postponed | 20:02 |
| jdstrand | well, seems the selinux reprise is over | 20:03 |
| siretart | anyways, I had a rather good impression of selinux in ubuntu | 20:03 |
| keescook | \o/ | 20:03 |
| propagandist | siretart: thanks for the feedback :o} its great to hear that it worked for them | 20:03 |
| jdstrand | keescook: has there been any more discussion of enabling hardening-wrapper on specific packages | 20:03 |
| jdstrand | ? | 20:03 |
| siretart | what was most surprising is that the "new" unconfined module in ubuntu was behaving very differently than most documentation out there | 20:03 |
| jdstrand | keescook: ie what I added to the Roadmap? | 20:04 |
| jdstrand | I admit I haven't done anything with it | 20:04 |
| siretart | e.g. we didn't manage to get the gpg module work in ubuntu at all | 20:04 |
| keescook | jdstrand: there hasn't been -- I've been waiting to get feedback from doko about the hardened builds. | 20:04 |
| * jdstrand nods | 20:04 | |
| keescook | for us to build stuff with hardening enabled vi Build-Deps (not the buildds) we'd need to promote hardening-wrapper to main, etc | 20:04 |
| siretart | I think what's needed here most is more documentation/explanation how the unconfined module is supposed to work in ubuntu. | 20:05 |
| keescook | jdstrand: so, at least we could provide PPAs for hardened builds too. | 20:06 |
| jdstrand | keescook: that would be a good alternative. I'm just really excited about hardening wrapper and thinking about how this is an LTS release | 20:07 |
| NthDegree | yes indeed siretart | 20:07 |
| propagandist | siretart: kk, i'll look at adding it to the wiki, if you can send me more information on the problems you had getting gpg working that will help | 20:07 |
| keescook | jdstrand: yeah, I wish it could have happened earlier, but this is how it worked out. :( | 20:07 |
| doko | keescook: yeah ... | 20:07 |
| keescook | doko: oh! hey there. :) | 20:08 |
| NthDegree | just to satisfy my curiosity: how is unconfined going to handle mprotect ideally? | 20:09 |
| doko | keescook: just found me doing uploads for reports assigned to some k...c... | 20:10 |
| keescook | doko: oh? | 20:11 |
| siretart | propagandist: well, afaiu, the gpg module is not supposed to run from the unconfined role, and a role transition was neccessary to do that. I think a small howto or example module or something how to enable the gpg module for 'normal' users would be a great example! | 20:11 |
| propagandist | NthDegree: Can you clarify? | 20:11 |
| NthDegree | propagandist: preventing execstack, execmem, execmod etc. | 20:11 |
| NthDegree | Fedora prevents that in normal "unconfined".. will Ubuntu have it the reverse way? | 20:12 |
| NthDegree | as in tagging apps gradually that can safely be restricted, and leaving the rest truly unrestricted | 20:12 |
| keescook | say, let's move the selinux discussion to #ubuntu-hardened, and I can close up this meeting. :) | 20:15 |
| keescook | we've got no more topics | 20:15 |
| propagandist | kk :o} | 20:15 |
| keescook | [topic] schedule | 20:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: schedule | 20:15 |
| keescook | next meeting in two weeks, same time? | 20:15 |
| jdstrand | good with me | 20:15 |
| * jdstrand will be sure to remember his timezone next time | 20:16 | |
| keescook | heh | 20:16 |
| keescook | okay, thanks very much everyone! great work all around. :) | 20:16 |
| keescook | #endmeeting | 20:16 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 20:16. | 20:16 |
| jdstrand | thanks keescook! | 20:17 |
| gaten | thanks all | 20:17 |
| keescook | :) | 20:17 |
| * faulkes- whistles innocently | 20:22 | |
| zul | @schedule montreal | 20:26 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 12 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 14 Mar 16:00: MOTU | 14 Mar 17:00: REVU Coordination | 19 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 20:26 |
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| txwikinger | @schedule | 20:45 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 12 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 14 Mar 20:00: MOTU | 14 Mar 21:00: REVU Coordination | 19 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 20:45 |
| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 14 Mar 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 14 Mar 21:00 UTC: REVU Coordination | 19 Mar 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 26 Mar 21:00 UTC: Server Team | ||
| * mathiaz gets ready for the server team meeting... | 20:58 | |
| ivoks | hi | 20:58 |
| sommer | o// | 20:59 |
| jdstrand | hi! | 20:59 |
| owh | hiya | 20:59 |
| soren | Hi, guys. | 21:00 |
| * nealmcb waves | 21:00 | |
| * nijaba waves | 21:00 | |
| nealmcb | sommer: I just made some changes to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI | 21:01 |
| owh | nijaba: Updated the launch text a few moments ago. | 21:01 |
| mathiaz | Let's get started for this week meeting | 21:01 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 21:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 21:01. The chair is mathiaz. | 21:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 21:01 |
| sommer | nealmcb: cool | 21:01 |
| dendrobates | o/ | 21:01 |
| mathiaz | Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 21:01 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 21:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 21:02 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080305 | 21:02 |
| mathiaz | So I've sent an email about the ServerTestingTeam | 21:03 |
| mathiaz | And I've noticed that some new pages were created in the wiki | 21:03 |
| mathiaz | Again - anyone that has some server hardware available is welcome to test drive hardy. | 21:03 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Server survey | 21:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Server survey | 21:04 |
| mathiaz | The reportingpage has been updated | 21:04 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReportingPage | 21:04 |
| * soren blushes as he realises he hasn't sent anything for that page :( | 21:04 | |
| mathiaz | nijaba: any news on the hosting front ? | 21:05 |
| owh | soren: You could have updated it and blamed it on "caching" :) | 21:05 |
| nijaba | we are waiting for an audit from kees | 21:05 |
| nijaba | it should be done soon | 21:05 |
| soren | owh: Encouraging dishonesty? Tsk, tsk :) | 21:06 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] iSCSI support | 21:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: iSCSI support | 21:06 |
| soren | I talked to Rick. | 21:06 |
| mathiaz | soren: did you have a change to talk with steve about root fs support ? | 21:06 |
| soren | We decided we wanted to do it. | 21:06 |
| * keescook ran out of time last friday. | 21:06 | |
| soren | I e-mailed slangasek asking if it was ok. I haven't heard back. | 21:07 |
| nijaba | \o/ | 21:07 |
| faulkes- | evening | 21:07 |
| soren | This was Friday, I believe. I should poke him some more. | 21:07 |
| mathiaz | soren: that would be post-beta work I guess | 21:07 |
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| mathiaz | [ACTION] soren to talk with slangasek about iSCSI support for root fs. | 21:08 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: soren to talk with slangasek about iSCSI support for root fs. | 21:08 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Bacula status | 21:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bacula status | 21:09 |
| ivoks | hi | 21:09 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: what's the state of your work on that ? | 21:09 |
| ivoks | it needs one day of work | 21:09 |
| ivoks | tomorrow it will be ready for inspection | 21:10 |
| mathiaz | ivoks: great | 21:10 |
| mathiaz | who can do the inspection ? | 21:11 |
| ivoks | if someone want to see debdiff, http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/bacula.diff | 21:11 |
| nijaba | beta freeze starts tomorrow | 21:11 |
| sommer | so is bacula going to make it into main? | 21:11 |
| mathiaz | probably not before beta | 21:11 |
| ivoks | ok, then it will be finished in couple of hours | 21:11 |
| nijaba | we have yet to file a mir, though... | 21:11 |
| sommer | for hardy release? | 21:11 |
| ivoks | debdiff is already over 1000 lines | 21:12 |
| * zul cries | 21:12 | |
| sommer | either way I was just wondering if we should add a section to the docs or not? | 21:12 |
| ivoks | zul: it's not that bad :) | 21:12 |
| mathiaz | considering that we're changing a lot of the packaging, we should ask for FFexception | 21:13 |
| mathiaz | or should it be considered as just bug fixes ? | 21:13 |
| nijaba | these are mainly bug fixes to match requirements, IIRC | 21:14 |
| ivoks | there are also new features | 21:14 |
| ivoks | like new catalog_backup script | 21:14 |
| mathiaz | isn't that a fix for the security issues raised ? | 21:15 |
| ivoks | it is | 21:15 |
| ivoks | anyway... i'll finish it in couple of hours | 21:15 |
| nijaba | so it is a bug fix ;) | 21:16 |
| mathiaz | anyway - since the diff seems large, it may worth asking for a FFe to the motu-release team | 21:16 |
| mathiaz | zul: can you review the bacula diff ? | 21:16 |
| zul | mathiaz: sure.. | 21:16 |
| mathiaz | zul: and figure out whether a FFe is needed or not | 21:16 |
| zul | I can do it tomorrow | 21:17 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] ivoks to post an updated debdiff for bacula | 21:17 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ivoks to post an updated debdiff for bacula | 21:17 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] zul to review the bacula debdiff | 21:17 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: zul to review the bacula debdiff | 21:17 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] mysql testing | 21:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mysql testing | 21:17 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: what did you do to mysql ? | 21:17 |
| ivoks | zul: i'll be online, so contact me if you have questions | 21:18 |
| jdstrand | I have been preparing a security update for mysql | 21:18 |
| zul | ivoks: sure thanks | 21:18 |
| jdstrand | there are several issues that are addressed | 21:18 |
| jdstrand | 2 required a rather substantial patch | 21:18 |
| jdstrand | all of this is documented in bug #201009 | 21:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 201009 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "[mysql-dfsg-5.0] fix for several open vulnerabilities in -proposed" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201009 | 21:19 |
| jdstrand | the short summary is that CVE-2007-6303 and CVE-2007-2692 required quite a bit of work to fix dapper - feisty | 21:19 |
| ubotu | MySQL 5.0.x before 5.0.51a, 5.1.x before 5.1.23, and 6.0.x before 6.0.4 does not update the DEFINER value of a view when the view is altered, which allows remote authenticated users to gain privileges via a sequence of statements including a CREATE SQL SECURITY DEFINER VIEW statement and an ALTER VIEW statement. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-6303) | 21:19 |
| ubotu | The mysql_change_db function in MySQL 5.0.x before 5.0.40 and 5.1.x before 5.1.18 does not restore THD::db_access privileges when returning from SQL SECURITY INVOKER stored routines, which allows remote authenticated users to gain privileges. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-2692) | 21:19 |
| jdstrand | as such, I have uploaded the packages to -proposed for wider testing | 21:19 |
| jdstrand | they have received a good bit of testing already, and they look good here | 21:20 |
| jdstrand | I'd really appreciate it if people could test these packages and report 'works here' in that bug report, so I can push the update out next week | 21:20 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: great | 21:21 |
| nijaba | jdstrand: there is a version for dapper? | 21:21 |
| jdstrand | because gutsy is so close to upstream, its patches weren't significant | 21:22 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: You've already sent a couple emails on different mailing lists | 21:22 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: could you post something to the forums ? | 21:22 |
| jdstrand | really looking for dapper (and edgy and feisty if possible) | 21:22 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: or ask faulkes- about it ? | 21:22 |
| jdstrand | nijaba: 5.0.22 | 21:22 |
| jdstrand | is faulkes- around? | 21:22 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: I think there is developer forum that is targeted at that | 21:22 |
| jdstrand | mathiaz: but to answer your question-- sure | 21:22 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: altought I'm not sure if the people reading the developer forums would be able to test your updates | 21:23 |
| jdstrand | nijaba: oh heh, I read your question to quickly-- yes dapper has updates and I'd really like testing there | 21:23 |
| jdstrand | mathiaz: couldn't hurt | 21:24 |
| nijaba | ok, I'll test it on my prod server | 21:24 |
| mathiaz | jdstrand: could you coordinate with faulkes- about requesting feedback in the forums ? | 21:24 |
| nijaba | and blame you if it blows up ;) | 21:24 |
| jdstrand | nijaba: yes, you would be within your rights on that | 21:24 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] jdstrand to coordinate with faulkes- about mysql testing in the forums | 21:25 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: jdstrand to coordinate with faulkes- about mysql testing in the forums | 21:25 |
| * jdstrand won't mention testing updtes on a production server, as he really wants as much testing as possible | 21:25 | |
| jdstrand | ;) | 21:25 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] LSB compliant init script | 21:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: LSB compliant init script | 21:26 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: owh: you've started to look into that | 21:26 |
| mathiaz | what is the outcome ? | 21:26 |
| owh | We started creating some code to get output. | 21:26 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: we have a list of all packages in Main, and Universe that install something in /etc/init.d | 21:26 |
| owh | We've created an initial list of the hardy .iso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnnoBenschop/ubuntu-server/init.d-status | 21:26 |
| owh | Next step is testing what they output :) | 21:27 |
| ScottK2 | Is this really a project we ought to be starting a day before beta freeze? | 21:27 |
| mathiaz | LSB compliant means a lot of things - what are you trying to fix first ? | 21:27 |
| mathiaz | I think trying to get the status action for the daemons makes sense | 21:28 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: a "status" action by init scripts is one of the things required for LSB | 21:28 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: in most cases, it's a trivial patch | 21:28 |
| mathiaz | having a fully compliant init script may require too much work though | 21:28 |
| owh | We start small and work our way up. | 21:28 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: well - there is also the headers for startup sequence | 21:29 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: for services (and mainly those in ubuntu-server), i think it's important enough to have in Hardy, and minor enough code changes | 21:29 |
| owh | We started with the packages installed by tasksel on the ubuntu-server install. | 21:29 |
| ScottK2 | Personally I think adding features to inits is adding features and should be done at the appropriate point in the development cycle for feature development. | 21:29 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: full compliance is beyond the scope I'm suggesting | 21:29 |
| owh | It's a fair point ScottK2 | 21:29 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: right. OTOH not having a status action for init script is really annoying | 21:30 |
| owh | And I figure if we're serious with ebox, it will need to know if stuff is working - no? | 21:30 |
| mathiaz | so trying to add a status action for packages that are on the ubuntu-server iso seems to be a good compromise | 21:31 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i agree with that | 21:31 |
| owh | All of them, or only the ones that are installed by a tasksel server selection? | 21:31 |
| ScottK2 | It's not nearly annoying as having a broken init script on release day. | 21:31 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: I'd say that testing an init script is easy. | 21:32 |
| ScottK2 | mathiaz: I think if you want to pursue this you should ask ubuntu-release for an FFe. | 21:32 |
| owh | There's only 7 that don't have a status that are installed by a tasksel *server selection | 21:32 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: aggreed. | 21:32 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: I was about to suggest that we should talk to ubuntu-release about this. | 21:32 |
| ScottK2 | It all depends on the init. | 21:32 |
| kirkland | ScottK2: the risk is having an init script with a broken 'status' action on release day | 21:32 |
| ScottK2 | kirkland: We have lots on unimplemented features. | 21:32 |
| kirkland | we should not be affecting the start/stop/(other) actions | 21:32 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: could you update the Roadmap with a clear scope on what we aim at ? | 21:33 |
| ScottK2 | kirkland: Agree with should not. | 21:33 |
| owh | There are only 4 that have a status option so far. | 21:33 |
| nealmcb | I'd suggest taking it one package as a time - if the patch is trivial and fixes the "non-lsb-compliant" bug, then it is worthwhile given the 5 year lifespan of hardy. but I know it is also risky | 21:33 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: and also list the packages targeted for hardy ? | 21:33 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: will do | 21:33 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: once the list is there, we can ask ubuntu-release to have a look at it and get a FFe for it. | 21:33 |
| kirkland | nealmcb: I agree with your LTS comment, plus the fact that this is "catch-up" for many key services on ubuntu-server | 21:34 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: however we won't have this ready by beta. | 21:34 |
| nealmcb | at any rate, thanks for gathering the data, folks.... | 21:35 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: the archive freeze is tomorrow - and these are patches that are not show-stoppers for the beta release | 21:35 |
| owh | That gives us 24 hours :) | 21:35 |
| kirkland | owh: with 2/7 done | 21:36 |
| zul | uh...no it gives you less than that | 21:36 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] kirkland to update the Roadmap outlining the scope of the work - just add status action | 21:36 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kirkland to update the Roadmap outlining the scope of the work - just add status action | 21:36 |
| * nealmcb would love to have status-getting documentation that doesn't have to say "except on hardy" for a long time | 21:36 | |
| owh | Seriously, the packages on the CD, there are really not that many if we limit ourselves to tasksel only stuff. | 21:36 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] kirkland to ask ubuntu-release for a FFe for each of the packages. | 21:36 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kirkland to ask ubuntu-release for a FFe for each of the packages. | 21:36 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] libdb4.x transition | 21:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: libdb4.x transition | 21:38 |
| mathiaz | there has been some work done on this. | 21:38 |
| mathiaz | mruiz has been working on a couple of them - and contacted some upstream about the transition. Some of the upstream added a check in the configure script for a specific version of libdb. | 21:39 |
| mathiaz | zul: is the Roadmap updated wrt to the package you've uploaded ? | 21:39 |
| zul | mathiaz: afaik yes | 21:39 |
| zul | yes it is...mruiz is doing the rest of them | 21:40 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: is there any packages for libdb4.4 and libdb4.5 ? | 21:40 |
| ScottK2 | mathiaz: There are, but I haven't had time to look | 21:41 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: ok - so may be we should concentrate on libdb4.3 | 21:41 |
| ScottK2 | Yes. | 21:41 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: and then jump to libdb4.4 and 4.5 | 21:42 |
| ScottK2 | Yes | 21:42 |
| ScottK2 | lidbd4.2 will be sticking around, so no point worrying about that one right now. | 21:42 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Server Guide documentation | 21:42 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Server Guide documentation | 21:42 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: yeah - related to openldap | 21:42 |
| ScottK2 | Exactly | 21:42 |
| mathiaz | sommer: so how is the string freeze going ? | 21:42 |
| sommer | getting there | 21:43 |
| sommer | added an ebox section if people would like to review | 21:43 |
| mathiaz | sommer: do you have section that needs focus for review ? | 21:43 |
| sommer | probably the virt section... working with nijaba and soren on it | 21:43 |
| sommer | I should have an update for it this evening... the current version isn't quite accurate | 21:44 |
| mathiaz | sommer: ok - I'll look into also as I'm still setting up my new vm environement. | 21:44 |
| sommer | mathiaz: cool, the more the marrier | 21:45 |
| mathiaz | keescook and jdstrand have also migrated to kvm IIRC | 21:45 |
| jdstrand | yep | 21:45 |
| jdstrand | loving it | 21:45 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 21:45 |
| jdstrand | much less resource intensive than vmware | 21:45 |
| sommer | other than that just working through the rest of the sections and updating minor adjustments for hardy | 21:45 |
| nijaba | at least sommer does it in real condition: remotely | 21:46 |
| sommer | heh... attempts to :-) | 21:46 |
| mathiaz | sommer: could you update the Roadmap with a list of the section you'd ask for review ? | 21:46 |
| dendrobates | sommer: I should get the likewise-open man pages by tomorrow. | 21:46 |
| soren | I had 10 vm's running at the same time a few days ago. Worked fine. | 21:46 |
| mathiaz | sommer: so that we can point people to it and focus our efforts on that. | 21:46 |
| sommer | mathiaz: sure | 21:46 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] sommer to update the roadmap section with a list of section of the server guide that need reviews. | 21:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: sommer to update the roadmap section with a list of section of the server guide that need reviews. | 21:47 |
| sommer | dendrobates: that's cool, I noticed the ffe bug. | 21:47 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: could you update the factoids by adding a servergui entry ? | 21:47 |
| nealmcb | I sent mail a little while ago | 21:47 |
| mathiaz | !servergui | 21:48 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about servergui - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 21:48 |
| nealmcb | mail to the server team... | 21:48 |
| nealmcb | if folks like what I wrote, and the servergui changes, I'll talk to the ops | 21:48 |
| faulkes- | I now have hardware and a requirement for virtuals, so I'll be doing kvm stuff very soon | 21:48 |
| nealmcb | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI | 21:49 |
| nealmcb | (that's mostly sommer's work of course - just a few edits by me) | 21:49 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: I think it looks good | 21:49 |
| jdstrand | I should mention that while I have been loving kvm | 21:49 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: and should be added | 21:49 |
| jdstrand | and have moved all my vmware machines to it | 21:50 |
| nealmcb | will do | 21:50 |
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| mathiaz | nealmcb: I can't seem to find your email to the server team about the servergui entry | 21:50 |
| jdstrand | there is some adjustments that need to be made on pre-hardy vms | 21:50 |
| nealmcb | just half an hour ago | 21:50 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] nealmcb to add an entry for the servergui factoid | 21:50 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: nealmcb to add an entry for the servergui factoid | 21:50 |
| jdstrand | I will update the wiki accordingly (probably tomorrow) | 21:50 |
| jdstrand | additionally, there is s script available to help migrate | 21:51 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: ah ok - I haven't checked my email | 21:51 |
| jdstrand | vmware images to kvm: | 21:51 |
| jdstrand | http://people.ubuntu.com/~soren/vmware2libvirt | 21:51 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~soren/vmware2libvirt | 21:51 |
| * owh hugs jdstrand | 21:51 | |
| * owh thanks soren for the code. | 21:51 | |
| nealmcb | I did change one part of the recommend apt-get commands... | 21:52 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] LTS upgrades | 21:52 |
| MootBot | New Topic: LTS upgrades | 21:52 |
| mathiaz | so what are our current efforts in that area ? | 21:52 |
| soren | owh: Oh, it's jdstrand's doing. All of it. | 21:53 |
| soren | owh: I just stole it and threw it on people.ubuntu.com :) | 21:53 |
| owh | ROTFL | 21:53 |
| mathiaz | so I guess we're doing really good on LTS upgrade testing if noone has anything to report | 21:54 |
| jdstrand | mathiaz: I would not assume that | 21:55 |
| jdstrand | :) | 21:55 |
| jdstrand | mathiaz: I was until a moment ago silent because I haven't done it | 21:55 |
| ScottK2 | I can unequivicably (or however that's spelled) say that I have not encountered any errors in LTS to LTS upgrade testing. | 21:55 |
| * jdstrand could say the same | 21:55 | |
| mathiaz | well - my question then is: what was LTS-to-LTS-upgrade-tested ? | 21:56 |
| * sommer needs to make time for testing LTS on LTS action | 21:56 | |
| nealmcb | ScottK2: but what fractions of the upgrades have been successful? Any singularities encountered? | 21:56 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 21:56 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: I guess you've tested postfix and mail daemon | 21:56 |
| ScottK2 | Actually I haven't directly, but I've tested direct upgrades of Postfix to modern versions on Dapper with no trouble for backports | 21:57 |
| mathiaz | well - we still need to focus on LTS-to-LTS upgrades | 21:58 |
| mathiaz | especially now that we're about to release beta | 21:58 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Any Other Business | 21:58 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 21:58 |
| mathiaz | anyone wants to add something ? | 21:59 |
| mathiaz | soren: could you update the ReportingPage with a virtualization section ? | 21:59 |
| ScottK2 | mathiaz: Any chance now for tasksel changes? | 21:59 |
| owh | And a migration guide :) | 21:59 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: same thing for likewise-open ? | 21:59 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: you mean the dovecot+postfix integration ? | 22:00 |
| ScottK2 | mathiaz: Yes. | 22:00 |
| soren | mathiaz: Will do. | 22:00 |
| ScottK2 | I wanted to see about integrating amavisd-new since we finally got it in Main | 22:01 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: I think that ivoks updated the patch for the new version of tasksel | 22:01 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: now it needs a FFe and then a core-dev can upload it | 22:01 |
| soren | "unequivocably", I think, by the way. | 22:01 |
| * kirkland quivs with soren | 22:02 | |
| ScottK2 | soren: That looks right | 22:02 |
| ScottK2 | mathiaz: Do you have a bug number? If there's a patch, I'll look into FFe. | 22:02 |
| mathiaz | ScottK2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/164837 | 22:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 164837 in dovecot "Dovecot SASL for postfix" [Low,In progress] | 22:03 |
| * ScottK2 looks | 22:03 | |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time. | 22:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time. | 22:03 |
| mathiaz | Same time, same place, next week ? | 22:03 |
| nealmcb | yes - utc-wise :-) | 22:04 |
| mathiaz | well - 21:00 UTC | 22:04 |
| nxvl | meeting is already over? | 22:04 |
| mathiaz | the time hasn't changed - only the some part of the world decided to move forward in time | 22:05 |
| ivoks | mathiaz: yes, i've updated it | 22:05 |
| ivoks | ScottK2: no, i didn't put amavis in it; and i'm not big fan of doing amavis filtering by default | 22:05 |
| ivoks | ScottK2: i think we should leave that to people who know what it is for | 22:06 |
| ivoks | otherwise, we'll have angry users complaining that their ubuntu mail server kills mail | 22:06 |
| ScottK2 | ivoks: Fair enough | 22:07 |
| ScottK2 | It's certain not something we should shove in at the last minute if there's no consensus. | 22:07 |
| ivoks | ScottK2: amavis bounces mail with exe attachments by default, so... i don't know... | 22:07 |
| mathiaz | Ok - so next meeting: next week, same time same place | 22:07 |
| ScottK2 | We'd need to come up with a do no harm config | 22:07 |
| mathiaz | Thanks all for attending ! :) | 22:08 |
| ivoks | ScottK2: yeah... i'm still in a quest for ideal amavis config :) | 22:08 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 22:08 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 22:08. | 22:08 |
| ivoks | ScottK2: and, it would love to see mailzu integrated with amavis | 22:08 |
| sommer | thanks mathiaz, later all | 22:08 |
| nijaba | thanks all | 22:09 |
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