| dholbach | good morning | 07:08 |
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| probon1 | hi all, i'm trying to make an image, but i keep getting errors that HAL is not configured | 10:35 |
| probon1 | is there a known bug? | 10:35 |
| probon1 | this is on hardy | 10:35 |
| probon1 | using the moblin image creator, mccaslin-lpia platform, ubuntu-mobile target | 10:36 |
| probon1 | Setting up hal (0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu1) ... | 10:45 |
| probon1 | polkit-auth: This operation requires the system message bus and ConsoleKit to be running | 10:45 |
| lool | probono: Curious | 12:24 |
| lool | probono: Could you please file a bug against MIC on launchpad? | 12:24 |
| lool | It should work | 12:24 |
| dns53 | has anyone tried to install ubuntu-mobile hardy on an eeepc? | 12:36 |
| probono | lool: i need to experiment more | 12:57 |
| probono | lool: using the deb from moblin.org, i don't get this problem | 12:57 |
| lool | probono: What MIC are you using? | 12:58 |
| probono | is there any way to get full hardware support (as in the Ubuntu live CD) into a moblin image? | 12:58 |
| lool | Hmm I'd rather approach your goal the other way around: start from a live CD and add -mobile bits | 12:58 |
| probono | lool: at my 1st attempt, i used the one from hardy. now i'm using the one from moblin.org, on gutsy - this works (created a live usb image) | 12:58 |
| probono | now when i boot into that, my mouse doesn't work | 12:59 |
| lool | You're running the moblin MIC package on gutsy targetting hardy? | 12:59 |
| probono | yes, basically | 12:59 |
| probono | works w/o errors | 12:59 |
| lool | That's known not to work then; the problem is between the system dbus of gutsy and the hardy packages installed in the chroot | 12:59 |
| lool | probono: Run hardy on your host | 12:59 |
| probono | lool: now i'm getting confused | 13:00 |
| probono | using hardy as a host, using hardy's mic did *not* work | 13:00 |
| probono | using gutsy as a host, using moblin.org mic, *did* work | 13:00 |
| lool | probono: Were you creating hardy based images? | 13:00 |
| probono | i'm not sure about that, acutally | 13:01 |
| probono | as i said, i'm new to this | 13:01 |
| lool | probono: Make sure you wipe your ~/.image-creator and projects between your trials | 13:01 |
| lool | probono: That's fine, don't worry | 13:01 |
| probono | also, platforms ilke "mccaslin-lpia" are not exactly self-evident | 13:01 |
| lool | probono: Oh come on, it means mccalsin on lpia ;) | 13:01 |
| probono | isn't there a platform "pc "? | 13:01 |
| probono | that equals the hardware that a ubuntu live cd assumes? | 13:01 |
| lool | probono: No, McCaslin is an Intel platform; just like Menlow | 13:02 |
| lool | probono: You can try running these kernels, but they might not work | 13:02 |
| probono | i have i945 machines, can't that work? | 13:02 |
| lool | If you want generic support, you should add generic kernels | 13:02 |
| probono | i915 also | 13:02 |
| dns53 | what platform works with an eeepc, or should i install ubuntu and the meta package? | 13:02 |
| lool | Well we're not targetting anything else than mccaslin and menlow ATM | 13:02 |
| probono | dns53: welcome to the club :-) | 13:02 |
| lool | Not PCs, not EeePC | 13:02 |
| probono | dns53: i'm in the same boat | 13:03 |
| lool | But you're welcome to try running the software | 13:03 |
| probono | dns53: we should start a pc/eeepc target | 13:03 |
| probono | lool: yes. it does run, only it doesn't see my mouse (synaptics touchpad) | 13:03 |
| dns53 | well what are the differences in cpu architecture? | 13:03 |
| probono | which is why i was asking how i can enable full ubuntu standard live cd hardware support | 13:03 |
| lool | probono: Ubuntu Mobile is currently aimed at touchscreens | 13:04 |
| probono | lool: i understand that, but i'm lacking the hardware | 13:04 |
| lool | It's preconfigured for some hardware platforms such as the Q1 Ultra | 13:04 |
| probono | would like to get my development started w/o buying prerelease hardware | 13:04 |
| lool | probono: At this point, you're "on your own" :-/ You will have to revisit things like the missing packages or change the Xorg config | 13:04 |
| lool | We're not trying to support all hardware in a generic fashion at the moment | 13:05 |
| lool | probono: You should be able to run apps in Xephyr though and installing standard Ubuntu packages will simply work | 13:05 |
| probono | lool: would it be hard? (i imagine it would basically involve a set of drivers packages) | 13:05 |
| lool | probono: If you're large on disk, simply install a regular Ubuntu and add the mobile packages | 13:05 |
| dns53 | well the ubuntu-mobile works on gutsy when you add the missing package | 13:05 |
| probono | dns53: how would i do that? is there a wiki page on that? | 13:06 |
| probono | i'd also want my ubuntu to boot directly into mobile, not into gnome | 13:06 |
| * probono loves the usb-image-generator though | 13:06 | |
| probono | come on, q1 is >1000 EUR | 13:07 |
| dns53 | well just install ubuntu (eeexubuntu in my case) then install ubuntu-mobile, there was a package missing from the dependencies i can't remember what it was m something | 13:07 |
| probono | dns53: my actual goal would be to have a live cd/usb | 13:08 |
| dns53 | sure, but you can atleast get something working the normal ubuntu way. i did test the image-creator but no targets worked | 13:09 |
| probono | mccaslin-lpia works, i can see the start screen, just have no mouse | 13:09 |
| probono | this is on a i945 machine | 13:09 |
| probono | dns53: after i installed ubuntu-mobile, how do i launch it? | 13:12 |
| probono | how do i replace gdm with it? | 13:12 |
| dns53 | it should appear as a desktop entry in gdm, you may need to write your own script to launch it yourself and remove gdm | 13:14 |
| probono | ok, thanks | 13:15 |
| probono | dns53: does a stock ubuntu live cd work with the eeepc? | 13:15 |
| probono | uck (ubuntu customization kit) should allow one to remaster a live cd to include ubuntu-mobile, i guess | 13:16 |
| dns53 | well you need to do some hacks to get everything working fine, X has a wrong resolution, madwifi needs to be customised. there are some scripts to add these things to a gutsy install | 13:17 |
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| pat_mcgowan | rustyl_, how do you tell moblin-media to switch between using gstreamer and helix | 15:20 |
| rustyl_ | pat_mcgowan, moblin-media will use the first media service it finds, and it finds the media service via the *.conf files in /usr/share/media-services/ | 16:16 |
| pat_mcgowan | rustyl_, thanks for your earlier response | 17:46 |
| cwong1 | Does anyone out there know anything about how /usr/share/applications/default.list is being created? | 18:42 |
| bfiller_ | mjg59: trying to debug a problem on custom hardware with custom hotkeys. I'm using setkeycodes scancode keycode to map scancode to keycode. After doing so, still not getting keycode when using xev. Any ideas? | 18:51 |
| bfiller_ | mjg59: I noticed you have worked on hotkey-setup package and thought that might help.. | 18:51 |
| mjg59 | bfiller_: What keycode are you setting it to? | 18:51 |
| bfiller_ | mjg59: 97 | 18:52 |
| mjg59 | Hm. Ok, should be safe. | 18:52 |
| mjg59 | Does evtest show it turning up? | 18:52 |
| bfiller_ | mjg59: I haven't tried that | 18:52 |
| mjg59 | That'd be a good thing to try | 18:52 |
| bfiller_ | mjg59: will do, thanks. | 18:52 |
| bfiller_ | mjg59: also, what startup file should I put my "setkeycodes" command such that they are installed always? | 18:53 |
| mjg59 | Best would be to add to hotkey-setup | 18:53 |
| bfiller_ | mjg59: that can be used regardless of hardware? | 18:54 |
| lool | cwong1: dpkg -S tells me it's shipped by desktop-file-utils: /usr/share/applications/defaults.list | 19:10 |
| lool | cwong1: However, it's not checksummed; I'd guess it's updated subsequently when packages are installed; I would suppose update-desktop-database does so | 19:11 |
| lool | cwong1: Please don't call it directly in your postinst and postrm though, but leave it to dh_desktop to add the magic | 19:13 |
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| mjg59 | bfiller_: Yeah, as long as there's dmi information from the platform | 19:42 |
| mjg59 | bfiller_: If not, we'd need to work out something else :) | 19:42 |
| cwong1 | lool: ping | 20:30 |
| lool | cwong1: pong | 20:36 |
| lool | cwong1: But do feel free to pack a question along with the ping to allow me to pong with the answer ;) | 20:36 |
| cwong1 | lool: desktop-file-utils is not in the fset in MIC. Should it be? | 20:37 |
| lool | cwong1: I think we should use the fset concept as little as possible and instead rely on what the ubuntu-mobile package pulls for us; isn't it pulled by some other package? | 20:38 |
| cwong1 | lool: Not that I know of | 20:38 |
| cwong1 | lool: Also, the file default.list that get install when you do apt-get install desktop-file-utils doesn't really fit our mobile enviroment | 20:39 |
| cwong1 | lool: if desktop-file-utils is being pull in by an ubuntu-mobile package, would it be alright for one of our moblin package like home sreen to install it? | 20:43 |
| lool | cwong1: What's the problem with it? | 20:43 |
| cwong1 | s/is/is not/ | 20:43 |
| cwong1 | lool: some of the mime type pointing to wrong app. | 20:44 |
| lool | cwong1: Are they pointing to one of the installed apps or an unavailable one? | 20:44 |
| cwong1 | lool: for example html is pointing to firefox instead of the midbrowser, media file pointing to totem instead of moblin media player | 20:44 |
| lool | cwong1: Theoritically, this file should be updated after the installation of desktop-file-utils as its postinst calls update-desktop-database | 20:45 |
| lool | So the contents of the file should reflect the installed apps and what they declare supporting | 20:45 |
| lool | If you see mismatches, I'd first start by fixing the list of installed apps or the .desktop files which have been installed | 20:45 |
| lool | If that's not enough, we can look into overrides | 20:46 |
| cwong1 | lool: so what you are saying is that all packages should do a db_update_desktop during the install, right? | 20:46 |
| cwong1 | s/db_update/desktop/dh_desktop/ | 20:47 |
| lool | cwong1: All packages should call dh_desktop during their *build* and this will make them call update-desktop-database after their installation and removal | 20:47 |
| lool | cwong1: Well, all "desktop" related packages which ship .desktop files naturally | 20:47 |
| lool | You don't need your kernel to call that obviously ;) | 20:47 |
| cwong1 | lool: if the default.list file is not there, will updaet-desktop-database create one for you? | 20:48 |
| lool | cwong1: It should; look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst | 20:48 |
| lool | Well don't look at that, grep it rather | 20:48 |
| cwong1 | ok. Thanks for the info. I will look into it further. | 20:49 |
| lool | grep -l update-desktop-database /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst | 20:49 |
| lool | cwong1: These are the snippets inserted by dh_desktop which will cause update-desktop-database -q to be run | 20:49 |
| cwong1 | lool: looks like if the file default.list is not there, update-desktop-database -q doesn't create one for you. Any idea? | 20:59 |
| lool | cwong1: The file should be there as it's shipped by desktop-file-utils | 21:01 |
| lool | cwong1: dpkg -L desktop-file-utils | grep defaults | 21:01 |
| cwong1 | lool: Yes if only you have install desktop-file-utils, but as I said before I don't think desktop-file-utils is part of the ubuntu-mobile image. Correct me if I am wrong. | 21:03 |
| cwong1 | cwong1: lool: at least if it is not part of the image being created by moblin's image creator | 21:04 |
| cwong1 | s/if// | 21:04 |
| lool | cwong1: Checking | 21:12 |
| cwong1 | lool: k | 21:13 |
| lool | cwong1: That's probably correct indeed | 21:13 |
| lool | I only see ubuntu-desktop pulling it | 21:13 |
| lool | cwong1: As a stop gap measure, add it to your fset | 21:13 |
| lool | cwong1: The fix is in updating the ubuntu-mobile package | 21:13 |
| cwong1 | lool: ok. so someone from your side will fix this, right? | 21:14 |
| lool | cwong1: Yes; you're welcome to file a bug | 21:15 |
| cwong1 | lool: ok.. Thanks. | 21:16 |
| lool | against ubuntu-meta | 21:16 |
| lool | cwong1: Will be fixed by next ubuntu-meta upload (committed in our tree) | 21:27 |
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