[07:08] good morning === doko_ is now known as doko [10:35] hi all, i'm trying to make an image, but i keep getting errors that HAL is not configured [10:35] is there a known bug? [10:35] this is on hardy [10:36] using the moblin image creator, mccaslin-lpia platform, ubuntu-mobile target [10:45] Setting up hal (0.5.10+git20080301-1ubuntu1) ... [10:45] polkit-auth: This operation requires the system message bus and ConsoleKit to be running [12:24] probono: Curious [12:24] probono: Could you please file a bug against MIC on launchpad? [12:24] It should work [12:36] has anyone tried to install ubuntu-mobile hardy on an eeepc? [12:57] lool: i need to experiment more [12:57] lool: using the deb from moblin.org, i don't get this problem [12:58] probono: What MIC are you using? [12:58] is there any way to get full hardware support (as in the Ubuntu live CD) into a moblin image? [12:58] Hmm I'd rather approach your goal the other way around: start from a live CD and add -mobile bits [12:58] lool: at my 1st attempt, i used the one from hardy. now i'm using the one from moblin.org, on gutsy - this works (created a live usb image) [12:59] now when i boot into that, my mouse doesn't work [12:59] You're running the moblin MIC package on gutsy targetting hardy? [12:59] yes, basically [12:59] works w/o errors [12:59] That's known not to work then; the problem is between the system dbus of gutsy and the hardy packages installed in the chroot [12:59] probono: Run hardy on your host [13:00] lool: now i'm getting confused [13:00] using hardy as a host, using hardy's mic did *not* work [13:00] using gutsy as a host, using moblin.org mic, *did* work [13:00] probono: Were you creating hardy based images? [13:01] i'm not sure about that, acutally [13:01] as i said, i'm new to this [13:01] probono: Make sure you wipe your ~/.image-creator and projects between your trials [13:01] probono: That's fine, don't worry [13:01] also, platforms ilke "mccaslin-lpia" are not exactly self-evident [13:01] probono: Oh come on, it means mccalsin on lpia ;) [13:01] isn't there a platform "pc "? [13:01] that equals the hardware that a ubuntu live cd assumes? [13:02] probono: No, McCaslin is an Intel platform; just like Menlow [13:02] probono: You can try running these kernels, but they might not work [13:02] i have i945 machines, can't that work? [13:02] If you want generic support, you should add generic kernels [13:02] i915 also [13:02] what platform works with an eeepc, or should i install ubuntu and the meta package? [13:02] Well we're not targetting anything else than mccaslin and menlow ATM [13:02] dns53: welcome to the club :-) [13:02] Not PCs, not EeePC [13:03] dns53: i'm in the same boat [13:03] But you're welcome to try running the software [13:03] dns53: we should start a pc/eeepc target [13:03] lool: yes. it does run, only it doesn't see my mouse (synaptics touchpad) [13:03] well what are the differences in cpu architecture? [13:03] which is why i was asking how i can enable full ubuntu standard live cd hardware support [13:04] probono: Ubuntu Mobile is currently aimed at touchscreens [13:04] lool: i understand that, but i'm lacking the hardware [13:04] It's preconfigured for some hardware platforms such as the Q1 Ultra [13:04] would like to get my development started w/o buying prerelease hardware [13:04] probono: At this point, you're "on your own" :-/ You will have to revisit things like the missing packages or change the Xorg config [13:05] We're not trying to support all hardware in a generic fashion at the moment [13:05] probono: You should be able to run apps in Xephyr though and installing standard Ubuntu packages will simply work [13:05] lool: would it be hard? (i imagine it would basically involve a set of drivers packages) [13:05] probono: If you're large on disk, simply install a regular Ubuntu and add the mobile packages [13:05] well the ubuntu-mobile works on gutsy when you add the missing package [13:06] dns53: how would i do that? is there a wiki page on that? [13:06] i'd also want my ubuntu to boot directly into mobile, not into gnome [13:06] * probono loves the usb-image-generator though [13:07] come on, q1 is >1000 EUR [13:07] well just install ubuntu (eeexubuntu in my case) then install ubuntu-mobile, there was a package missing from the dependencies i can't remember what it was m something [13:08] dns53: my actual goal would be to have a live cd/usb [13:09] sure, but you can atleast get something working the normal ubuntu way. i did test the image-creator but no targets worked [13:09] mccaslin-lpia works, i can see the start screen, just have no mouse [13:09] this is on a i945 machine [13:12] dns53: after i installed ubuntu-mobile, how do i launch it? [13:12] how do i replace gdm with it? [13:14] it should appear as a desktop entry in gdm, you may need to write your own script to launch it yourself and remove gdm [13:15] ok, thanks [13:15] dns53: does a stock ubuntu live cd work with the eeepc? [13:16] uck (ubuntu customization kit) should allow one to remaster a live cd to include ubuntu-mobile, i guess [13:17] well you need to do some hacks to get everything working fine, X has a wrong resolution, madwifi needs to be customised. there are some scripts to add these things to a gutsy install === Charles-AFK is now known as Charles-Eee === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:20] rustyl_, how do you tell moblin-media to switch between using gstreamer and helix [16:16] pat_mcgowan, moblin-media will use the first media service it finds, and it finds the media service via the *.conf files in /usr/share/media-services/ [17:46] rustyl_, thanks for your earlier response [18:42] Does anyone out there know anything about how /usr/share/applications/default.list is being created? [18:51] mjg59: trying to debug a problem on custom hardware with custom hotkeys. I'm using setkeycodes scancode keycode to map scancode to keycode. After doing so, still not getting keycode when using xev. Any ideas? [18:51] mjg59: I noticed you have worked on hotkey-setup package and thought that might help.. [18:51] bfiller_: What keycode are you setting it to? [18:52] mjg59: 97 [18:52] Hm. Ok, should be safe. [18:52] Does evtest show it turning up? [18:52] mjg59: I haven't tried that [18:52] That'd be a good thing to try [18:52] mjg59: will do, thanks. [18:53] mjg59: also, what startup file should I put my "setkeycodes" command such that they are installed always? [18:53] Best would be to add to hotkey-setup [18:54] mjg59: that can be used regardless of hardware? [19:10] cwong1: dpkg -S tells me it's shipped by desktop-file-utils: /usr/share/applications/defaults.list [19:11] cwong1: However, it's not checksummed; I'd guess it's updated subsequently when packages are installed; I would suppose update-desktop-database does so [19:13] cwong1: Please don't call it directly in your postinst and postrm though, but leave it to dh_desktop to add the magic === asac_ is now known as asac [19:42] bfiller_: Yeah, as long as there's dmi information from the platform [19:42] bfiller_: If not, we'd need to work out something else :) [20:30] lool: ping [20:36] cwong1: pong [20:36] cwong1: But do feel free to pack a question along with the ping to allow me to pong with the answer ;) [20:37] lool: desktop-file-utils is not in the fset in MIC. Should it be? [20:38] cwong1: I think we should use the fset concept as little as possible and instead rely on what the ubuntu-mobile package pulls for us; isn't it pulled by some other package? [20:38] lool: Not that I know of [20:39] lool: Also, the file default.list that get install when you do apt-get install desktop-file-utils doesn't really fit our mobile enviroment [20:43] lool: if desktop-file-utils is being pull in by an ubuntu-mobile package, would it be alright for one of our moblin package like home sreen to install it? [20:43] cwong1: What's the problem with it? [20:43] s/is/is not/ [20:44] lool: some of the mime type pointing to wrong app. [20:44] cwong1: Are they pointing to one of the installed apps or an unavailable one? [20:44] lool: for example html is pointing to firefox instead of the midbrowser, media file pointing to totem instead of moblin media player [20:45] cwong1: Theoritically, this file should be updated after the installation of desktop-file-utils as its postinst calls update-desktop-database [20:45] So the contents of the file should reflect the installed apps and what they declare supporting [20:45] If you see mismatches, I'd first start by fixing the list of installed apps or the .desktop files which have been installed [20:46] If that's not enough, we can look into overrides [20:46] lool: so what you are saying is that all packages should do a db_update_desktop during the install, right? [20:47] s/db_update/desktop/dh_desktop/ [20:47] cwong1: All packages should call dh_desktop during their *build* and this will make them call update-desktop-database after their installation and removal [20:47] cwong1: Well, all "desktop" related packages which ship .desktop files naturally [20:47] You don't need your kernel to call that obviously ;) [20:48] lool: if the default.list file is not there, will updaet-desktop-database create one for you? [20:48] cwong1: It should; look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst [20:48] Well don't look at that, grep it rather [20:49] ok. Thanks for the info. I will look into it further. [20:49] grep -l update-desktop-database /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst [20:49] cwong1: These are the snippets inserted by dh_desktop which will cause update-desktop-database -q to be run [20:59] lool: looks like if the file default.list is not there, update-desktop-database -q doesn't create one for you. Any idea? [21:01] cwong1: The file should be there as it's shipped by desktop-file-utils [21:01] cwong1: dpkg -L desktop-file-utils | grep defaults [21:03] lool: Yes if only you have install desktop-file-utils, but as I said before I don't think desktop-file-utils is part of the ubuntu-mobile image. Correct me if I am wrong. [21:04] cwong1: lool: at least if it is not part of the image being created by moblin's image creator [21:04] s/if// [21:12] cwong1: Checking [21:13] lool: k [21:13] cwong1: That's probably correct indeed [21:13] I only see ubuntu-desktop pulling it [21:13] cwong1: As a stop gap measure, add it to your fset [21:13] cwong1: The fix is in updating the ubuntu-mobile package [21:14] lool: ok. so someone from your side will fix this, right? [21:15] cwong1: Yes; you're welcome to file a bug [21:16] lool: ok.. Thanks. [21:16] against ubuntu-meta [21:27] cwong1: Will be fixed by next ubuntu-meta upload (committed in our tree) === jousto1 is now known as jouston === probono_ is now known as probono