[02:07] <ubotu> New bug: #201253 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Synaptics Driver doesn't load for Lenovo ThinkPad Travel Keyboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201253
[02:07] <ubotu> New bug: #201257 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[Hardy] i965 TVout Interference: Gnome panel smaller than detected resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201257
[02:09] <ubotu> New bug: #201264 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "blur and reflection compiz òlugins not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201264
[09:08] <ubotu> New bug: #201316 in ubuntu "2.6.24-12 generic kernel has no nvidia module with update. Loads safe mode. (dup-of: 200797)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201316
[10:03] <tjaalton> bryce: soren asked some time ago to change the default mouse driver to vmmouse, which falls back to using 'mouse' when the host is not a virtual machine. I could patch the server do that if it's ok?
[10:03]  * soren hugs tjaalton 
[10:03] <jcristau> tjaalton: will it fall back if vmmouse isn't there?
[10:04] <tjaalton> jcristau: yes
[10:04] <tjaalton> ah :)
[10:04] <tjaalton> jcristau: I don't have any code yet
[10:04] <jcristau> ok
[10:04] <tjaalton> but yes, that should be considered as a must-have feature :)
[10:15] <Ng> why does vmware need its own mouse driver? they emulate network cards and cdroms and allsorts, but they can't emulate a simple mouse?!
[10:16] <soren> They can.
[10:16] <soren> And do.
[10:17] <soren> However, if the vm uses the vmmouse driver, everything just works sooo much better.
[10:18] <soren> You don't have to grab the mouse input, you can just move in and out, it does absolute positioning... I recommend you try it and see for yourself.
[10:18] <soren> :)
[10:18] <soren> (kvm supports vmmouse, too)
[10:21] <Ng> in theory I have a vmware image somewhere, but I've not used any virtualisation in anger since I bought vmware about 8 years ago ;)
[10:22] <Ng> and that was just to run Outlook, of all things
[10:33] <Ng> on a more useful note - what's textured video all about and why would I want to enable it? :)
[10:36] <tjaalton> you wouldn't
[10:37] <tjaalton> at least not now
[10:37] <tjaalton> since it sucks with the current driver.. you get all the effects but it's very slow
[10:37] <jcristau> you would if you want video to integrate correctly with compiz
[10:37] <tjaalton> right
[10:37] <tjaalton> but it eats all your cpu and more
[10:37] <tjaalton> :)
[10:38] <jcristau> well
[10:38] <jcristau> works for me
[10:38] <tjaalton> right, maybe for !965
[10:38] <Ng> ok
[10:38] <Ng> thanks :)
[10:39] <Ng> I've not tried video yet on this chipset
[10:39] <Ng> not much point until I get audio ;)
[10:39] <tjaalton> the latest l-u-m should work
[10:41] <Ng> it's not *that* audio bug
[10:41] <Ng> this chipset just isn't supported in a released ALSA yet
[10:42] <soren> Oh, new laptop?
[10:42] <Ng> yep
[10:42] <soren> Which one?
[10:42] <Ng> X300 :)
[10:42] <tjaalton> Ng: ah, loss
[10:42] <soren> Oh. I thought you were leaning towards the HP.
[10:44] <Ng> soren: I was, but I am weak ;)
[10:44] <soren> :)
[10:45] <Ng> if anyone has any clues for building LUM with a snapshot of alsa, I'm all ears, but that's getting off-topic for here I guess
[11:16] <soren> Just a bit :)
[11:17] <tjaalton> just as offtopic for me to ask soren why I can't install any kvm guests :)
[11:17] <soren> Heh :)
[11:18] <soren> tjaalton: Maybe you're not pressing the right keys?
[11:18] <tjaalton> soren: there's no 'any' key :/
[11:20] <soren> Hm.. Is there a XF86Any keysym? That would be pretty neat :)
[11:22] <Ng> haha :)
[11:22] <tjaalton> hehe ;)
[12:19] <mvo> Ng: ohhhhh ... you got a X300? how sweet
[12:20] <Ng> yeah, apart from probably being the first person to install linux on it, it's great ;)
[12:20] <Ng> I can't find *anything* on the web about it that isn't me filing bugs ;)
[12:22] <tjaalton> I'd be glad to be the first person filing bugs about it
[12:22] <Ng> hehe
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #200847 in ubuntu "ubuntu Hardy Heron update on mar 10 evening.  wiped out nvidia (dup-of: 200797)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200847
[13:06] <mvo> tjaalton: whats up with nvidia-glx-new currently? is there some conflict with it and the xserver? I got some reports about upgrades stoping because of that
[13:20] <tjaalton> mvo: shouldn't be, no updates there for a while
[13:20] <mvo> ok, thanks - I will investigate
[13:32] <mvo> tjaalton: my bad, sorry. seems to be "envy" releated
[13:33] <tjaalton> mvo: heh, ok
[14:23] <ubotu> New bug: #192508 in xorg "mouse keys turns on randomly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192508
[14:52] <bryce> tjaalton: yep, mouse -> vmmouse is ok
[15:06] <tjaalton> bryce: cool, just took a brief look at what needs to be done for it
[15:09] <tjaalton> xserver-xorg-core does not currently depend on any drivers (directly), so I'm not sure if the server should check first if vmmouse is available, since it doesn't seem to do that for mouse either
[15:13] <ubotu> New bug: #201421 in xorg (main) "Xorg fails to configure 945 and no USB keyboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201421
[15:15] <tjaalton> bbl->
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #201491 in xorg (main) "Screen DPI detected incorrectly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201491
[17:51] <bryce> tjaalton: I'm taking a sick day today.  This flu that I've been working at getting over is taking a long time to go away, and I'm feeling pretty worn out today
[18:20] <tjaalton> bryce: sorry to hear that.. get well!
[18:23] <bryce> btw, yesterday I coded up a little X utility - http://bryceharrington.org/files/xorg_info.c
[18:23] <bryce> it determines the driver and chipset by parsing the Xorg.0.log, and collects a few other useful bits of info
[18:24] <bryce> gcc xorg_info.c -o xorg_info -lX11 -lXxf86misc -lXrandr -lXv
[18:32] <tjaalton> ok, I need to try it out later
[18:32] <tjaalton> the live-session doesn't seem to include any headers :)
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #201596 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "xv is not working on intel 965 (x3100) when using compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201596
[22:58] <Ng> hmm
[22:58] <Ng> that bug report seems to be the same chipset as me, and Xv seems to be fine
[22:58] <tjaalton> same here
[22:58] <Ng> at least, I played the nelson mandela video and it was fine ;)
[22:59] <Ng> also the latest package makes scrolling in FF nice again :)
[23:02] <tjaalton> yep, the new greedy patch was somehow broken
[23:24] <tjaalton> running nvidia beta blob version 171.06.. still seeing pink/yellow shadows
[23:26] <tjaalton> hmm, someone fixed the font rendering
[23:26] <tjaalton> no more fuzzy fonts
[23:42] <pwnguin> i thought that was a dpi thing