| neil_d | Hi, I was wondering if there is a URL on how to setup a client with a HDD so it can be used as a server backup ? | 01:25 |
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| stgraber | ogra_cmpc, ogra : bug 201536 | 09:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 201536 in italc "FF exception, new release of iTalc (1.0.7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201536 | 09:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | stgraber, seen the bug update ? | 10:16 |
| ogra_cmpc | :) | 10:16 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: yeah !!! | 10:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | :) | 10:32 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: Upstream will be happy :) | 10:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | and we too i hope :) | 10:32 |
| stgraber | I'm just waiting for a patch fixing screen resizing on amd64 (MMX thing) and will upload the new package somewhere so you can have a look at it | 10:33 |
| ogra_cmpc | good | 10:33 |
| Nubae | do you think this: /etc/udev/rules.d/88-ltsp.rules - interferes with local automount on a low fat client? | 10:42 |
| laga | Nubae: i just removed the ltsp-client-core init script instead. | 10:44 |
| Nubae | entirely? | 10:44 |
| laga | actually, my solution wa snot to install ltsp-client, i just install ltsp-client-core instead AFAIK | 10:44 |
| laga | i think | 10:44 |
| laga | let me check ;) | 10:44 |
| Nubae | ok, I'm not sure if automounting isn't working because of thin client init scripts or real local automounting not working | 10:45 |
| Nubae | but I managed to get local printers to work yesterday, which I'm happy about | 10:45 |
| laga | yeah, ltsp-client-core doesn't install that file... ltspfsd comes with the /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry scripts | 10:47 |
| laga | i don't need ltspfsd on my clients so i don't install it | 10:48 |
| Nubae | I can try and take it out as well then, not sure if I need it or not, I'm guessing not | 10:56 |
| Nubae | so when ltsp-client-core starts, normally it install ltspfsd and you took that out? | 10:57 |
| ogra_cmpc | it wont work without ldm tunnel in place anyway | 10:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | and the udev rule would prevent you from using any kind of removable device | 10:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | so remove it | 10:59 |
| laga | ltsp-client-core is an init script.. if i ever find a init script on my box which apt-get installs packages, it'll be removed in no time :) | 10:59 |
| laga | Nubae: i suggest you review the dependencies for ltsp-client and check if it's really needed. maybe ltsp-client-core will be good enough for you. | 10:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | last time i looked ltsp-client-core was a package | 11:00 |
| laga | you'll also find that /etc/fstab gets overwritten on boot | 11:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | but it contains an initscript :) | 11:00 |
| laga | ogra_cmpc: /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core ;) | 11:00 |
| Nubae | yeah taking out ltspfsd takes out ltsp-client also | 11:00 |
| laga | ogra_cmpc: and packages don't "start" ;) | 11:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | it never installed any packages though | 11:00 |
| Nubae | so does /etc/hosts | 11:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | but indeed its for configuring a parebone thin client system ... | 11:01 |
| laga | wrt overwriting of fstab: this will hopefully be configurable once ogra upload a new ltsp package to hardy ;) | 11:01 |
| ogra_cmpc | which means there is no /etc/hosts, no /etc/fstab and the like | 11:01 |
| laga | fstab is overwritten in /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup | 11:01 |
| Nubae | what about /etc/hosts? | 11:01 |
| ogra_cmpc | read what i wrote :) | 11:01 |
| laga | which i'd like to keep actually because it contains some useful things | 11:01 |
| ogra_cmpc | the ltsp-client packages purpose is to configure a barebone thin client system which is usually not configured at all and lacking these files | 11:02 |
| laga | yes. i'm not complaining about that. | 11:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | if you use ltsp in any other context the first thong your script should do is: update-rc.d ltsp-client-setup remove | 11:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | laga, for now patching is fine, but i would like to move the common functions out of the initscript | 11:04 |
| ogra_cmpc | so you can source a -functions file and just call thin_client_fstab() which then would create a default fstab | 11:04 |
| laga | sounds more versatile so it's good | 11:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | so your scripts can just source the functions and you should switch off the actual ltsp related stuff | 11:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | that avoids confusion and results in cleaner code | 11:05 |
| laga | i'd actually remove ltsp-client-core instead of ltsp-client-setup from init.. ltsp-client-core seems more harmful for my purposes | 11:06 |
| laga | yup | 11:06 |
| * laga shouldn't be discussing technical stuff when X is taking 100% CPU, making his box lag like hell | 11:06 | |
| ogra_cmpc | get a better graphics card or stop playing WoW while discussing :P | 11:08 |
| laga | grr | 11:08 |
| laga | i blame hardy | 11:08 |
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: looks like I have a fix for the MMX thing | 11:35 |
| ogra_cmpc | yay | 11:35 |
| stgraber | he basically was trying to use MMX on amd64 ... | 11:36 |
| ogra_cmpc | ouch | 11:36 |
| stgraber | let's upload that to the local package builder and see if that also work on i386 | 11:39 |
| stgraber | no !!!, my pbuilder chroots have the new libc ... | 11:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | wait a moment, the fix is already built for x86 ... waiting for the other arches | 11:53 |
| Nubae | is there a page I can look at to know exactly how update-rc.d works, I've tried adding cupsys to it, doing update-rc.d cupsys default, but that doesn't seem to work | 12:56 |
| ogra_cmpc | man | 12:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | or man update-rc.d | 12:59 |
| ogra_cmpc | :) | 12:59 |
| === Paladine is now known as AHanff | ||
| Nuba1 | does anyone know where I can get some more info on update-rc.d, looking through google is not bringing up anything | 13:00 |
| ogra_cmpc | man update-rc.d | 13:04 |
| ogra_cmpc | Nuba1, ^^^ | 13:04 |
| Nuba1 | :-P | 13:04 |
| ogra_cmpc | Nuba1, btw is your wiki name Dvanassche ? | 13:04 |
| Nuba1 | yeah | 13:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | there was someone looking for you last night | 13:05 |
| * ogra_cmpc looks through the log | 13:05 | |
| ogra_cmpc | .. subsume|work | 13:05 |
| Nuba1 | heh, well I have kde4 installed at home and weirdly, kopete has no irc plugins!! | 13:05 |
| Nuba1 | yeah, he seems to be working on the low fat client wiki too | 13:06 |
| ogra_cmpc | right, i thinkl he wanted to discuss something with you | 13:06 |
| Nuba1 | k, well, I'll try to stay around a bit more, see if I can run into him | 13:07 |
| Nuba1 | is there something wrong with calling the ltsp chroot something other than i386 (ie, in my case I call it fati386)? | 13:15 |
| ogra_cmpc | no | 13:19 |
| ogra_cmpc | if you find that something chokes on it, please file a bug | 13:19 |
| ogra_cmpc | all scripts should work with a changed chroot name | 13:19 |
| ogra_cmpc | (with teh respective options indeed) | 13:20 |
| Nuba1 | its been fine for me, there's just a mention on the wiki that people have had problems calling it anything but i386 | 13:30 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, we wouldnt have added the --chroot option if we wanted to force that path upon users :) | 13:34 |
| === AHanff is now known as Paladine | ||
| stgraber | ogra_cmpc: iTalc 1.0.7 test packages : http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/italc/ | 15:19 |
| stgraber | ogra, ogra_cmpc : I have tested it on amd64, I'll try it on i386 later today | 15:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | thanks a lot :) | 15:21 |
| crimsun | ogra_cmpc: ping RE: "profiling". I was sitting at work thinking about a workaround, and I was wondering if you (or other devs) have investigated it. | 21:21 |
| ogra_cmpc | crimsun, intrepid is supposed to have a focus on performance improvement and size reduction so that will be an essential part then | 21:22 |
| crimsun | ogra_cmpc: ah ok | 21:23 |
| crimsun | ogra_cmpc: I started implementing something at work that takes the post-install initramfs and compares it to what's actually used from lsmod. | 21:23 |
| crimsun | ogra_cmpc: it's pretty hacky, but I can already strip considerable modules from the initramfs | 21:24 |
| ogra_cmpc | heh | 21:24 |
| crimsun | ogra_cmpc: e.g., pci_hotplug and friends cause a 60-second probe/stall here | 21:24 |
| ogra_cmpc | thats pretty much what i do on the classmate to speed up booting | 21:24 |
| ogra_cmpc | even though i additionally cut down that list manually | 21:25 |
| crimsun | ogra_cmpc: how are you doing it programatically? | 21:25 |
| crimsun | ah | 21:25 |
| ogra_cmpc | but alone cating the output from lsmod into /etc/modules and redoing the initramfs brought about 30% speedup | 21:26 |
| crimsun | right. | 21:26 |
| crimsun | I suspect you're going further and actually comparing the usage field? | 21:26 |
| * Paladine is off to Skegness Grammar School tomorrow :) | 21:28 | |
| ogra_cmpc | hmm, no, thats actually something i havent thought of ... the thing with the classmate is that it doesnt need to be dynamic the hw doesnt change | 21:29 |
| crimsun | right. | 21:29 |
| ogra_cmpc | at least not during boot | 21:29 |
| ogra_cmpc | do you plan to be at UDS this time ? | 21:29 |
| crimsun | ogra_cmpc: nope. I was at the last one. | 21:31 |
| ogra_cmpc | i know ... | 21:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | there i was very occupied by edu stuff ... this time will be more tech for me ... | 21:32 |
| crimsun | ogra_cmpc: I will see about documenting something using the wiki in the meantime. | 21:35 |
| ogra_cmpc | i'll ping you if i put up specs for UDS so that gets discussed and included at the right place :) | 21:36 |
| crimsun | ogra_cmpc: excellent, thanks! | 21:50 |
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