[01:25] <neil_d> Hi, I was wondering if there is a URL on how to setup a client with a HDD so it can be used as a server backup ?
[09:58] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc, ogra : bug 201536
[09:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201536 in italc "FF exception, new release of iTalc (1.0.7)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201536
[10:16] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, seen the bug update ?
[10:16] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[10:32] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: yeah !!!
[10:32] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[10:32] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: Upstream will be happy :)
[10:32] <ogra_cmpc> and we too i hope :)
[10:33] <stgraber> I'm just waiting for a patch fixing screen resizing on amd64 (MMX thing) and will upload the new package somewhere so you can have a look at it
[10:33] <ogra_cmpc> good
[10:42] <Nubae> do you think this: /etc/udev/rules.d/88-ltsp.rules - interferes with local automount on a low fat client?
[10:44] <laga> Nubae: i just removed the ltsp-client-core init script instead.
[10:44] <Nubae> entirely?
[10:44] <laga> actually, my solution wa snot to install ltsp-client, i just install ltsp-client-core instead AFAIK
[10:44] <laga> i think
[10:44] <laga> let me check ;)
[10:45] <Nubae> ok, I'm not sure if automounting isn't working because of thin client init scripts or real local automounting not working
[10:45] <Nubae> but I managed to get local printers to work yesterday, which I'm happy about
[10:47] <laga> yeah, ltsp-client-core doesn't install that file... ltspfsd comes with the /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry scripts
[10:48] <laga> i don't need ltspfsd on my clients so i don't install it
[10:56] <Nubae> I can try and take it out as well then, not sure if I need it or not, I'm guessing not
[10:57] <Nubae> so when ltsp-client-core starts, normally it install ltspfsd and you took that out?
[10:58] <ogra_cmpc> it wont work without ldm tunnel in place anyway
[10:59] <ogra_cmpc> and the udev rule would prevent you from using any kind of removable device
[10:59] <ogra_cmpc> so remove it
[10:59] <laga> ltsp-client-core is an init script.. if i ever find a init script on my box which apt-get installs packages, it'll be removed in no time :)
[10:59] <laga> Nubae: i suggest you review the dependencies for ltsp-client and check if it's really needed. maybe ltsp-client-core will be good enough for you.
[11:00] <ogra_cmpc> last time i looked ltsp-client-core was a package
[11:00] <laga> you'll also find that /etc/fstab gets overwritten on boot
[11:00] <ogra_cmpc> but it contains an initscript :)
[11:00] <laga> ogra_cmpc: /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core ;)
[11:00] <Nubae> yeah taking out ltspfsd takes out ltsp-client also
[11:00] <laga> ogra_cmpc: and packages don't "start" ;)
[11:00] <ogra_cmpc> it never installed any packages though
[11:00] <Nubae> so does /etc/hosts
[11:01] <ogra_cmpc> but indeed its for configuring a parebone thin client system ...
[11:01] <laga> wrt overwriting of fstab: this will hopefully be configurable once ogra upload a new ltsp package to hardy ;)
[11:01] <ogra_cmpc> which means there is no /etc/hosts, no /etc/fstab and the like
[11:01] <laga> fstab is overwritten in /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
[11:01] <Nubae> what about /etc/hosts?
[11:01] <ogra_cmpc> read what i wrote :)
[11:01] <laga> which i'd like to keep actually because it contains some useful things
[11:02] <ogra_cmpc> the ltsp-client packages purpose is to configure a barebone thin client system which is usually not configured at all and lacking these files
[11:03] <laga> yes. i'm not complaining about that.
[11:03] <ogra_cmpc> if you use ltsp in any other context the first thong your script should do is: update-rc.d ltsp-client-setup remove
[11:04] <ogra_cmpc> laga, for now patching is fine, but i would like to move the common functions out of the initscript
[11:04] <ogra_cmpc> so you can source a -functions file and just call thin_client_fstab() which then would create a default fstab
[11:05] <laga> sounds more versatile so it's good
[11:05] <ogra_cmpc> so your scripts can just source the functions and you should switch off the actual ltsp related stuff
[11:05] <ogra_cmpc> that avoids confusion and results in cleaner code
[11:06] <laga> i'd actually remove ltsp-client-core instead of ltsp-client-setup from init.. ltsp-client-core seems more harmful for my purposes
[11:06] <laga> yup
[11:06]  * laga shouldn't be discussing technical stuff when X is taking 100% CPU, making his box lag like hell
[11:08] <ogra_cmpc> get a better graphics card or stop playing WoW while discussing :P
[11:08] <laga> grr
[11:08] <laga> i blame hardy
[11:35] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: looks like I have a fix for the MMX thing
[11:35] <ogra_cmpc> yay
[11:36] <stgraber> he basically was trying to use MMX on amd64 ...
[11:36] <ogra_cmpc> ouch
[11:39] <stgraber> let's upload that to the local package builder and see if that also work on i386
[11:46] <stgraber> no !!!, my pbuilder chroots have the new libc ...
[11:53] <ogra_cmpc> wait a moment, the fix is already built for x86 ... waiting for the other arches
[12:56] <Nubae> is there a page I can look at to know exactly how update-rc.d works, I've tried adding cupsys to it, doing update-rc.d cupsys default, but that doesn't seem to work
[12:59] <ogra_cmpc> man
[12:59] <ogra_cmpc> or man update-rc.d
[12:59] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[13:00] <Nuba1> does anyone know where I can get some more info on update-rc.d, looking through google is not bringing up anything
[13:04] <ogra_cmpc> man update-rc.d
[13:04] <ogra_cmpc> Nuba1, ^^^
[13:04] <Nuba1> :-P
[13:04] <ogra_cmpc> Nuba1, btw is your wiki name Dvanassche ?
[13:05] <Nuba1> yeah
[13:05] <ogra_cmpc> there was someone looking for you last night
[13:05]  * ogra_cmpc looks through the log
[13:05] <ogra_cmpc> .. subsume|work
[13:05] <Nuba1> heh, well I have kde4 installed at home and weirdly, kopete has no irc plugins!!
[13:06] <Nuba1> yeah, he seems to be working on the low fat client wiki too
[13:06] <ogra_cmpc> right, i thinkl he wanted to discuss something with you
[13:07] <Nuba1> k, well, I'll try to stay around a bit more, see if I can run into him
[13:15] <Nuba1> is there something wrong with calling the ltsp chroot something other than i386 (ie, in my case I call it fati386)?
[13:19] <ogra_cmpc> no
[13:19] <ogra_cmpc> if you find that something chokes on it, please file a bug
[13:19] <ogra_cmpc> all scripts should work with a changed chroot name
[13:20] <ogra_cmpc> (with teh respective options indeed)
[13:30] <Nuba1> its been fine for me, there's just a mention on the wiki that people have had problems calling it anything but i386
[13:34] <ogra_cmpc> well, we wouldnt have added the --chroot option if we wanted to force that path upon users :)
[15:19] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: iTalc 1.0.7 test packages : http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/italc/
[15:21] <stgraber> ogra, ogra_cmpc : I have tested it on amd64, I'll try it on i386 later today
[15:21] <ogra_cmpc> thanks a lot :)
[21:21] <crimsun> ogra_cmpc: ping RE: "profiling".  I was sitting at work thinking about a workaround, and I was wondering if you (or other devs) have investigated it.
[21:22] <ogra_cmpc> crimsun, intrepid is supposed to have a focus on performance improvement and size reduction so that will be an essential part then
[21:23] <crimsun> ogra_cmpc: ah ok
[21:23] <crimsun> ogra_cmpc: I started implementing something at work that takes the post-install initramfs and compares it to what's actually used from lsmod.
[21:24] <crimsun> ogra_cmpc: it's pretty hacky, but I can already strip considerable modules from the initramfs
[21:24] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[21:24] <crimsun> ogra_cmpc: e.g., pci_hotplug and friends cause a 60-second probe/stall here
[21:24] <ogra_cmpc> thats pretty much what i do on the classmate to speed up booting
[21:25] <ogra_cmpc> even though i additionally cut down that list manually
[21:25] <crimsun> ogra_cmpc: how are you doing it programatically?
[21:25] <crimsun> ah
[21:26] <ogra_cmpc> but alone cating the output from lsmod into /etc/modules and redoing the initramfs brought about 30% speedup
[21:26] <crimsun> right.
[21:26] <crimsun> I suspect you're going further and actually comparing the usage field?
[21:28]  * Paladine is off to Skegness Grammar School tomorrow :)
[21:29] <ogra_cmpc> hmm, no, thats actually something i havent thought of ... the thing with the classmate is that it doesnt need to be dynamic the hw doesnt change
[21:29] <crimsun> right.
[21:29] <ogra_cmpc> at least not during boot
[21:29] <ogra_cmpc> do you plan to be at UDS this time ?
[21:31] <crimsun> ogra_cmpc: nope.  I was at the last one.
[21:32] <ogra_cmpc> i know ...
[21:32] <ogra_cmpc> there i was very occupied by edu stuff ... this time will be more tech for me ...
[21:35] <crimsun> ogra_cmpc: I will see about documenting something using the wiki in the meantime.
[21:36] <ogra_cmpc> i'll ping you if i put up specs for UDS so that gets discussed and included at the right place :)
[21:50] <crimsun> ogra_cmpc: excellent, thanks!