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jjesseRiddell: removed the envy drivers and starting the upgrade00:06
jjesseenvy nvidia00:06
ScottK2Hobbsee: A total rewrite of guidance would be nice.00:11
HobbseeScottK2: yeah right.00:11
HobbseeScottK2: want to dump glassfish into oblivion, or do you want it in?00:11
ScottK2That's the Java thing, right?00:12
ScottK2I vote oblivion.00:12
ScottK2If they miraculously get their packages advocated, I might want to unoblivion that particular one.00:13
HobbseeScottK2: yeah00:14
HobbseeScottK2: want to have the honours?00:14
ScottK2Hobbsee: No.  I'm actually working on trying to teach Guidance displayconfig not to barf if xorg.conf happens to not be around.00:16
* Hobbsee is attempting to get uni work done.00:16
* Hobbsee is failing00:16
Hobbseeyou see, this is why i don't do LP-stuff while at uni00:16
ScottK2At least neither of us is getting paid for this.00:16
HobbseeScottK2: can i have supertuxkart?  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/supertuxkart/+bug/20152900:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 201529 in supertuxkart "[FFe] Please sync supertuxkart 0.4-1 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New]00:17
jjesseonly 4 hours and 24 minutes remaining on upgrade00:18
ScottK2Hobbsee: to nuke or approve.  With games I'm incliined to be pretty liberal?00:19
HobbseeScottK2: to approve.00:19
ScottK2Sure00:19
ScottK2I'll mark on tha tone too00:19
Hobbseethx00:20
ScottK2Hobbsee: Done00:21
Hobbseethanks00:21
ScottK2No problem00:22
gribeluhmm why are the changelogs of new packages always 2 decades late?  i've been trying to see what was new in kdebase-workspace_4.0.2-0ubuntu2 since it was uploaded and now kdebase-workspace_4.0.2-0ubuntu3 is in.. never got to see the ubuntu2 changelog00:25
stdingribelu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/kdebase-workspace/+changelog00:28
yuriycould someone update the bug day link in the topic?00:39
yuriyhere and in #kubuntu00:39
Hobbseeno topic lock00:44
gribelustdin: thanks i was looking for an alternative way to view changelogs :)00:45
jjessewow this is a slow upgrade :)00:48
kristjan_you mention that kde4 is available with alpha6, but there is now ld link? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha6/Kubuntu00:49
=== yuriy changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Add ideas https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSummerOfCodeIdeas | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Next meeting: Wednesday 19th 23:00UTC | Hug Day! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080313/KDE
kristjan_"Alpha 6 is the first alpha release to ship with a KDE4 CD. Take your pick."00:53
kristjan_the missing link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/hardy/alpha-6/ <-- please give this link @https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha6/Kubuntu (there is only kde3.5 cd link)00:56
yuriykristjan_: it's a wiki, feel free to add the link00:57
stdinkristjan_: it's a wiki, add the link00:57
kristjan_no, thanks. I'm not registered ;-)00:58
yuriykristjan_: it's the same as your launchpad account if you have one00:58
stdinwhy would you use the alphas if you don't have a LP account, you can't report bugs?00:59
kristjan_anyways, the german version has the link http://www.kubuntu-de.org/nachrichten/kubuntu/kubuntu-8-04-hardy-heron-alpha-6-erschienen01:00
yuriylink added. shoulda gone with stdin's attitude01:00
jjessewo only 14% thru ht e upgrade01:22
jjessethis swill probablly take all night01:22
ryanakcaUmm, can I mark bugs on 7.10RC as invalid, since its RC, and untouched?01:50
jjessei would :)01:54
ScottK2ryanakca: That's one way to do it.  I'd suggest actually looking into it.01:55
ryanakcaScottK2: hmm... well, the bug looks to me as if it was just a fluke... bug 151497 , and the error message only appears on first login. Mark it as Incomplete and ask if they still experience it?01:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151497 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu 7.10-RC: Kdesktop: unable to create io-slave" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15149701:58
ScottK2Sounds reasonable.01:59
ScottK2much better than straight to invalid from a user perspective.  At least they get asked first01:59
ryanakcaYes02:00
ryanakcaAlso, would it be reasonable to subscribe ubuntu-security to bug 134832 ?02:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134832 in kubuntu-meta "Reiserfs is mounted as swap" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13483202:00
* ScottK2 looks02:00
ryanakcaMounted as swap, I'm guessing it could overwrite the partition, erasing everything, etc? Or would it just be a large nuissance?02:00
ScottK2It's a data hazard issue, but not security02:01
ryanakcaOk. And I'm guessing it would be... ummm... kernel related?02:02
jjessenixternal: i see you finally got the top of the list for 5-a-day02:02
* ryanakca shrugs02:02
ScottK2I spent about 6 hours yesterday and today understanding Guidance's xorg object model, how to interact with it, and how to get it to survive with a piece of xorg.conf missing.02:04
ScottK2That was one.02:04
* ScottK2 really wonder if the whole 5 thing puts the emphasis on the right thing.02:05
jjesseScottK2: what should the emphasis be on?  new development or fixing bugs that are old and perhaps invalid/already fixed?02:06
ryanakcaScottK2: I look at it as a interesting way for people to wet their toes and get involved with Ubuntu...02:06
jjesseas so many of the bugs i've dealt with are months old and the reporter no longer is following up on02:06
ScottK2That wasn't new development.  That was bug fixing.02:06
jjessewhat should the emphsais be on then?02:07
ScottK2The best user experience.02:07
ScottK2Bug body counts don't get you there.02:07
jjessedoesn't troubleshooting/resolving/fixing bugs deal with that?02:07
ScottK2Sure, but what affects the end user more: Fixing on bug that makes a piece of the system non-functional or updating the status on 100 bugs in Launchpad?02:09
ScottK2Updating status needs to be done, but I don't think it should be the first and only thing we pay attention to.02:10
HobbseeScottK2: the idea is that you fix as well as update status :)02:10
* ryanakca agrees with ScottK2, but points out that not everybody knows how to fix system critical software.02:10
ScottK2Hobbsee: How many of these 5 people are taking credit for are updated marking and how many are actual new fixes?02:11
ScottK2At this point I'm seriously hoping I'm one of the ones that does, because I'm sure as heck attempting it.02:11
HobbseeScottK2: good question02:11
jjessel02:20
jjessesorry bout that02:21
jjesseScottK2: so you would argue that you shouldn't take credit on 5-a-day if you don't fix a bug just do check for status?02:26
ryanakcaheh, that wipes out pretty much all of my 5-a-day bugs...02:27
jjesseryanakca: most of mine as well02:27
nixternalOK you core-devs, bug #44548 has an attachment by Colin Watson to fix that bug if you want to get to work on it :)02:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 44548 in kdebase "Problems with accentuated characters in man pages" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4454802:27
jjessewow upgrade at 26% of downloading packages02:29
jjessenixternal: do you want to close out bug 34683, you were the last pesrson to respond asking for more questions02:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 34683 in kubuntu-default-settings "default background setting shoudl be "per screen" not "stretched accross all screens"" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3468302:33
jjesseno response since 2007-0602:33
ScottK2jjesse: Yes02:35
jjessejust didn't want to step on rich's toes02:35
ScottK2jjesse: Yes, I think discovering a bug no longer happens and then marking it fixed really shouldn't count.02:36
jjesseScottK2: well i would only mark it as fixed if i was abble to track down exactly what fixed it02:37
jjesseif it was a year or two old then i would i mark it as invalid due to not being able to track down what exactly was causing the problem02:37
ScottK2I think marking it fixed is fine, it's the taking credit on 5 a day that bugs me.02:37
ScottK2I'll sometimes mark those fixed depending on how well triaged and reproduceable they were.02:38
nixternalScottK2: for 5-a-day there are 2 stages, the regular 5-a-day and the really-fix-it02:39
jjesseScottK2: i guess i would disagree due to the fact there are some people that know how to do little more then check status of a bug and resolve the bug based on feedback from the reporter (or lack of response)02:39
* jjesse points at himslef02:39
nixternalI think people working on 5-a-day and racking up an asston of karma for triaging a bug is worth plenty of cookies02:39
jjesseits interesting my karma has actually gone down due to the averaging of things, little blueprint work, little translation work, etc02:40
nixternalwhich it seems a majority of the really-fix-it bugs shouldn't even be listed02:40
nixternalya, I have translation work...how the hell I got that I will never know02:40
ScottK2Well then maybe I'm grumbling about really-fix-it then and not 5 a day.02:41
nixternalI think because I had to manually upload the kubuntu-docs translations a couple of years ago02:41
jjessethe average of everything keeps my karma score way low02:41
yuriyi think 5-a-day is just doing something with a bug, you don't have to close it02:41
nixternalyuriy: yup02:41
nixternalit was to get more people working on bugs...started out easy, then came the really-fix-it, and there will probably be one more stage yet to come02:42
jjessewhat is really-fix-it again?02:42
nixternalbugs that supposedly have patches in LP, upstream, or elsewhere02:42
jjesseoh yeah daniel osted about that on his blog didn't he02:42
nixternalya02:42
nixternalScottK2 or Hobbsee: I have a piece of crack for you to upload...first person to answer wins the crack03:29
nixternalthank god for my foresight box03:56
nixternalbecause someone uploaded very bad crack to Hardy03:56
nixternalso if you are running hardy, I urge you to not upgrade at all03:56
nixternalI have 3 dead boxes...gg core-devs03:57
* ScottK2 isn't going to upload it, but is curious what it is.06:15
nareshovIs anyone packaging kdpkg? (If not I'll go ahead :)06:21
apacheloggernareshov: none is working at it AFAIK - best thing is to look at LP, you need to report a needs-packaging bug anyway06:37
nareshovoh, okay06:37
nareshovBTW, pinentry-qt never works for me06:38
nareshovit flashes the window several times without letting me a chance to type my passphrase06:38
nareshovHow can I make let me enter passphrase on stdin itself?06:39
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apacheloggerjpatrick: pling08:14
apacheloggernixternal: pling08:14
apacheloggerTonio_: can I archive kdesudo on revu?08:15
Tonio_apachelogger: sure09:08
_StefanS_hello..09:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: good work on the k-d-s :)09:15
_StefanS_kwwii: ping?09:16
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apachelogger_I hereby declare pardus one awesome distribution09:22
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Tonio__StefanS_: ;) still waiting for the qtcurse config file09:25
Tonio__StefanS_: but I like the defaults, we probably don't need to change it09:26
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Tonio_apachelogger_: a friend of mine also likes it09:26
Tonio_apachelogger_: what is interesteing in it ?09:26
apachelogger_it's very polished09:26
_StefanS_Tonio_: err, I sent you the qtcurve config09:26
apachelogger_iconwise especially09:26
* _StefanS_ is glad that the fractals is gone.09:27
_StefanS_apachelogger_: how did you manage to download and test it ? :) I cant read turkish09:29
apachelogger_I can :P09:29
apachelogger_no, german LinuxUser magazine had a live version09:30
_StefanS_ah :D09:30
_StefanS_cause I dont understand squat on the homepage09:30
_StefanS_is it gnome?09:30
Jucatopardus has English too09:31
JucatoKDE based09:31
_StefanS_ah09:31
_StefanS_I must be blind :)09:31
_StefanS_ah the airbrush look to the icons is very nice indeed09:32
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Jucato(offtopic... the banner for the new GNOME release looks like some people want to have a foot accupuncture :P)09:33
apachelogger_lol09:33
smarterScottK/ScottK2: ping09:36
apachelogger_http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img065.png <-- icons09:41
apachelogger_http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img067.png <-- desktop09:42
apachelogger_http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img068.png <-- init stuff manager09:42
apachelogger_http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img069.png <-- user manager09:42
apachelogger_http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img071.png <-- firefox like throbber anymation at app start09:42
* apachelogger_ switches to mandriva09:43
Jucato(another thing I like about pardus is it's theme of cats :P)09:49
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apachelogger_hm, I somehow eneded up in ubuntu10:05
eldariaHmmm, I was trying to figure out If I can release my application under GPLv3 or if I have to use GPLv2. I use Qt4, with Python 2.5 and PyQt4 all from the repositories.10:09
eldariafrom the trolltech site only says that qt3 is gplv3, and qt4 only from snapshot.10:10
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Jucatoeldaria: http://trolltech.com/developer/notes/changes/changes-4.3.4/10:14
eldariaJucato: Thanks, it looks like I'm running an older version of QT, 4.3.210:16
Jucato!info libqt4 hardy10:17
ubotuPackage libqt4 does not exist in hardy10:17
Jucato!info libqt4-dev hardy10:17
ubotulibqt4-dev (source: qt4-x11): Qt 4 development files. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.4-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 4351 kB, installed size 22952 kB10:17
Jucato!info libqt4-dev gutsy10:17
ubotulibqt4-dev (source: qt4-x11): Qt 4 development files. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.2-0ubuntu3.2 (gutsy), package size 4333 kB, installed size 23128 kB10:17
Jucatohm.. gutsy-backports might have an updated qt4, or from the KDE 4 PPA repository10:17
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eldariai'm quite sure I have both repositories added, will check, 1 moment.10:18
eldariayup, both backports and ppa, oh well, will have to wait for Hardy.10:21
eldariait will probably take me that long anyway before I can release a working product. lol10:23
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Riddellkwwii: do you have the source to kubuntu-leaflet in example-content?10:41
* jussi01 cries at the latest libc6 breakage10:43
awen_hi... just fixed the problem with kde-guidance-powermanager not being able to suspend, bug 194780 , if someone wants to have a look11:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 194780 in kde-guidance "[hardy] power manager does not suspend/hibernate, while kubuntu shut-down menu does." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19478011:18
Riddellhi awen_, thanks for looking into that11:22
Riddellawen_: how did you find out the problem?11:23
awen_Riddell: no problem11:23
awen_Riddell: i copied the powermanage.py script to another folder, and started poking at it... and ended up finding out, that it was the hal call simply not doing the right thing11:24
awen_and looked up the hal specification for it http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html#interface-device-systempower11:24
awen_i'm not sure, but i suspect that the interface might have changed (my guess was that 3 meant state S3; but that's not how it is interpreted now)11:26
Riddellmm, maybe11:26
RiddellI wonder why you would want to suspend for anything other than an indefinate time11:27
Riddelluploaded11:27
smarterScottK2: I've made a small hack to fix the eric crash: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/eric_pyqt_4.3.3_hack.debdiff11:32
awen_Riddell: i wondered a little too... and thanks11:33
Riddellawen_: does guidance's brightness control work for you?11:35
_StefanS_I've encountered a crash yesterday with adept updater, It asked me a question about what configuration file I wanted to keep. Adept crashed after all package updates were done11:35
awen_Riddell: not really... changing brightness works, and i get a pop-up; but it allways states that it is "brightness: 100%"11:36
Riddellhmm, I have the opposite, % changes but actual brightness doesn't11:37
Riddellah _StefanS_, did you have preferred settings for qtcurve?11:38
mornfall_StefanS_: That wins you a free copy of adept 3 alpha 4 which you can try to crash and report and you'll crashes will be fixed as a bonus (*)... (*) As developer time permits.11:38
mornfalls/you'll/your/11:38
mornfallBah :-).11:38
awen_Riddell: that sounds utterly strange...11:39
smarterRiddell: here brightness doesn't change and it stays at 0%11:43
Riddella multitude of brightness problems :)11:44
smarteracpi is such a pain11:44
jussi01mornfall: do you have packages of adept 3?11:46
smarterjussi01: there's a PPA11:46
jussi01smarter: address pls?11:46
smarterhttp://ppa.launchpad.net/me-mornfall/ubuntu11:46
jussi01smarter: thanks.11:46
smarterdeb ... hardy main11:47
jussi01mornfall: Ill play with that some when I get home (and have fixxed my hardy install sufficiently)11:47
Riddellhttp://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu/pool/main/a/adept/  now11:47
Riddellhttp://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu  rather11:47
jussi01Riddell: much appreciated :)11:49
Tonio_Riddell: good point is that finally power-manager is fully translated now :) after 2 years we're using it, it finally get translation ;)12:04
Tonio_Riddell: do we want a specific qtcurve option? default is very nice to me12:05
RiddellTonio_: dunno, it seems to be infinitly configurable12:06
Tonio_Riddell: yep, but as defaults seem to be nice enough...... and since pushing default conf is not that easier (no .kde) I'd vote to keep the defaults12:07
* smarter still prefers polyester12:10
Tonio_smarter: bah it changes....... and polyester has a nasty bug with kate12:11
Riddellit does?12:11
Tonio_Riddell: bug 14442912:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144429 in polyester "Crash of Kate when closing files, only using polyester style" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14442912:12
Riddellnasty12:12
Riddellapachelogger: I've uploaded k-d-s with kde 4 bits enabled, seems to work for me12:12
Tonio_Riddell: randomly happens for soem people, but the issue is also reported to kde bts12:12
Riddellapachelogger: I think we should try and get them upstream where sensible12:12
smarternever happened for me12:12
Riddellapachelogger: ktip, kcookiejar and kwin seem sensible changes12:12
Tonio_smarter: no but we also have to consider our users :)12:12
smarterI'll try to get used to qtcurve12:12
smarterTonio_: of course ;)12:13
Tonio_smarter: http://worksforme.org is not the good way of managing a distro :)12:13
Tonio_dunno if the joke exists in english in fact..... :) in french we commonly answer http://chezmoicamarche.com12:13
Riddellsmarter: qtcurve is infinitely configurable, I'm sure you can find some settings that work well12:13
smarterthe bug is quiet old, maybe it has been fixed?12:14
Tonio_Riddell: but do we want to patch startkde to push the config ?12:14
Tonio_smarter: no idea12:14
Tonio_smarter: still opened on the kde side, so I suspect no12:14
RiddellTonio_: no, if we did configure it we should try to fix qtcurve to read something from /etc12:14
Tonio_Riddell: so read in .local, then etc ? sounds like not that easy to do.....12:15
Tonio_maybe there are qt classes for this, dunno12:15
Tonio_but as I say, defaults are fine for me, could be discussed next meeting12:15
Riddellother way around12:15
Riddellyes, could be12:15
Tonio_talking about that, is there a date planned ?12:15
RiddellNext meeting: Wednesday 19th 23:00UTC12:16
Tonio_okay I'll be there this time, I was there on saturday, sorry for this....12:16
RiddellI wasn't :)12:16
Tonio_hehe okay :)12:16
Nightroseok now it looks a lot friendlier ;-) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080313/KDE12:17
* Nightrose goes on triaging12:17
apacheloggerdooooods12:25
apacheloggermy editmoin doesn't work -.-12:25
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah, I added that to my todo12:27
Riddellapachelogger: sending changes upstream?12:28
apacheloggeryes12:28
Tonio_Riddell: also I'm concerned about a conflict between qtcurve and gtk-qt-engine12:28
Tonio_Riddell: the purpose of qtcurve is to have the same theme on gnome and kde12:28
Tonio_Riddell: but it doesn't map icons and so on12:29
* apachelogger gives all his votes to gtk-qt-engine12:29
RiddellTonio_: hvae you seen ubuntu gnome recently?  they have some crazy theme12:29
Riddellgoodness, compiz-kde is actually working12:29
Tonio_Riddell: by crazy, you mean beautifull ?12:30
Riddellthat alt-tab is, to borrow a kwwii-ism, killer12:30
RiddellTonio_: "interesting" :)12:30
Tonio_Riddell: I always thought gnome was way more beautifull kde is12:30
* apachelogger always thought that ubuntu gnome looks awful12:30
apacheloggersuse gnome looks much better12:30
Tonio_apachelogger: agree on that point12:30
Riddellapachelogger: any luck with that gentoo amarok test?12:30
Tonio_apachelogger: but I talked about gnome and kde in general12:31
Tonio_gnome is really beautifull12:31
apacheloggerRiddell: didn't get any feedback, I will check it myself when I am at home12:31
Tonio_apachelogger: talking about gtk-qt, afaics it does work pretty nicelly with qtcurve aswell12:31
Tonio_but then we don't use the gtk-qtcurve12:32
apacheloggerwell, qtcurve is adapting to the issue, not adapting a solution for the issue12:32
apacheloggera doctor doesn't get the flu, so he can't get infected with flu in his job12:33
apacheloggerquite strange approach really12:33
Tonio_hum Riddell, when using qtcurve, gtk sets qt by default12:34
Tonio_Riddell: I'm changing the default config file to use qtcurve aswell12:34
apacheloggerNightrose: please fix my editmoin12:34
Nightroseapachelogger: nah - I am triaging the bugs on the list right now - lots of invalid stuff there12:34
* Nightrose should start the 5-a-day as well :P12:35
apacheloggeryay12:35
apacheloggerfor triaging12:35
apacheloggernot 5-a-day12:35
apacheloggerstupid mainstream stuff12:35
Nightrosehehe12:35
Tonio_hum no, Qt theme is qtcurve in fact, so no change needed ;) cool12:36
Nightrosethere we go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080313/KDE12:36
Nightroselooks way better than a few hours ago12:36
Tonio_Nightrose: good job ;)12:36
apacheloggerstill I need editmoin12:36
Nightrosehmm why is the wiki taking so long to save my edits?12:37
NightroseTonio_:  ;-)12:37
NightroseTonio_: I need you to have a look at ksniffer btw if you have time - apachelogger and I basically gave up on it - needs a kdesu expert12:37
jussi01Nightrose: its been slow for a good while imho12:38
Nightrosemeh12:38
Tonio_Nightrose: revu ?12:40
Tonio_I never pretented to be a kdesu expert, but I can have a look now if you want12:41
NightroseTonio_: nope I can get you a bugnumber and forward you all the mail I wrote with the author12:41
Tonio_Nightrose: what is the problem exactly ?12:41
Tonio_Nightrose: summarize please :)12:41
Tonio_doesn't work when run as root ?12:42
Nightroseksniffer needs to be started with kdesu, then it can´t sniff any packages12:42
Nightroseit works when being started as root12:42
Tonio_Nightrose: kdesudo and kdesu tested ?12:42
Nightrosejep12:42
Tonio_okay, interesting.... lemme have a look12:42
Tonio_env problem certainly12:42
Nightrosethx - where can I send you the mails to?12:42
Tonio_tonio@ubuntu.com :)12:43
Tonio_Nightrose: works when started as root with sudo right ?12:43
Nightrosek will send in a minute - the bug is at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksniffer/+bug/19582712:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 195827 in ksniffer "[needs update] ksniffer needs update to version 0.3.2" [Wishlist,Confirmed]12:43
Tonio_the difference is basically than sudo doesn't load root profile12:43
NightroseI am not sure I tested that12:44
Tonio_sudo ksniffer will give the same result than sudo -s and then ksniffer12:44
Tonio_shouldn't work with sudo -i12:44
Tonio_lemme test12:44
Tonio_that's it...... strange issue indeed ;)12:45
* Tonio_ investigating12:45
NightroseTonio_: thx - forwarded the mails12:46
Tonio_hum works even with sudo -i...... damned ;)12:46
Tonio_hum kdesu seems to be broken here......12:49
Tonio_Nightrose: can you try to please remove kdesudo and start kdesu ksniffer ?12:50
Tonio_Nightrose: probably my config if broken....12:50
Nightroseas is my virtual maschine ;-)12:51
Tonio_Nightrose: I need to know if the problem is kdesudo specific, but can't test12:51
NightroseI really need to reinstall it12:51
Tonio_ah ;)12:51
Nightroseapachelogger: ^ can you test?12:51
Tonio_Riddell: is original kdesu broken for you ?12:51
Tonio_apachelogger: or you please ;)12:51
Tonio_apachelogger: just start ksniffer with original kdesu12:51
Tonio_"kdesu whatever" just freezes here12:51
Tonio_Nightrose: yeah it also breaks with kdesu12:52
Tonio_very strange issue....12:52
Nightroseindeed12:52
Tonio_apachelogger: no need to help, I got kdesu to work12:52
Tonio_Nightrose: I kno what the problem is13:04
Tonio_[sniff] - interface:13:04
Tonio_any13:04
Nightroseohhh13:04
Tonio_this is what I get with sudo ksniff devs13:04
Tonio_[sniff] -13:04
Tonio_interface:13:04
Tonio_lo13:04
Tonio_and this with kdesu :)13:04
NightroseoO13:04
ryanakcaoooh, hug day today :)13:05
smarterIs it safe to upgrade to glibc 2.7-9ubuntu2 ?13:05
Tonio_HAHAHA13:06
Tonio_Nightrose: I think I know what is the problem13:06
Tonio_;)13:06
Tonio_look at that :13:06
Nightrose;-) shoot13:06
Tonio_http://pastebin.ca/94098413:07
Tonio_this is the normal ksniff output13:07
Tonio_and now with kdesu :13:07
Tonio_http://pastebin.ca/94098613:07
Tonio_guess what is wrong ;)13:07
Nightroseohhhhhkay13:09
Tonio_parsing is incorrect due to bad endline13:09
Nightroseyea13:10
Tonio_now, I don't yet know the reason of this13:10
Tonio_but I'm sure there is the problem13:10
Nightrosethanks a lot13:10
* _StefanS_ sniffs13:10
Tonio_Nightrose: it's not fixed yet, I still have to figure out where is the problem exactly, but that is a good start ;)13:10
NightroseTonio_: hehe yea - more than any of us found out so far :P13:11
Tonio_^^13:11
_StefanS_Tonio_: didnt you get my qtcurve config ?13:11
_StefanS_Tonio_: sorry I havent seen your repy13:11
Tonio__StefanS_: lemme look13:11
Tonio_Nightrose: wait....... no issue with kdesudo, so that's not the problem :/13:13
Nightrosenarf13:13
Nightrose:(13:13
Tonio__StefanS_: nope no mail13:13
_StefanS_err..13:13
Tonio__StefanS_: my ubuntu.com address was broken for some days, not works again, please resend13:13
_StefanS_ah ok13:14
_StefanS_will send in a moment13:14
Tonio_Nightrose: fyi, kdesudo ksniff works as expected13:34
Tonio_the thing is that when I ctrl+c I don't get the process feedback13:35
Tonio_this process tell you how many packets where captured13:35
Tonio_there can be the difference13:35
Tonio_no output, no packets13:35
Nightrosehmm yea13:36
Tonio_that's a signal problem in the code13:36
Tonio_for some reason, doesn't work with kdesudo13:36
Tonio_probably a dcop issue or something13:36
Tonio_I have to look at the code13:36
Nightrosethx13:37
Riddellcan anyone play dvds in kaffeine?13:37
Tonio_Riddell: no dvd to test :/13:38
Tonio_Nightrose: *** glibc detected *** ksniff: double free or corruption (top): 0x0805f748 ***13:40
Tonio_strace tells me there are problems when stopping ksniff13:40
Nightrosehmmm13:40
Nightrosenot good13:40
Tonio_Nightrose: I suspect that as this a kprocess runnin in kprocess (with kdesudo or kdesu) it'll stop the second process immediatly13:40
Tonio_Nightrose: with simply sudo, you just have one kprocess, that will (apparently) continue13:41
Tonio_Nightrose: note that the issue happens also with sudo13:41
NightroseI see13:42
Tonio_dunno exactly what the problem is but certainly de to bad ending of the process in a kprocess in another kprocess13:43
_StefanS_Tonio_: havent sent the mail yet; its on the other laptop13:43
Tonio_Riddell: would that make sense to you or not ?13:43
Tonio__StefanS_: oki ;)13:43
Tonio_Nightrose: that's a shell application, it should be started as kshellprocess13:44
Tonio_Nightrose: patching is easy, I can test this one13:44
Nightroseperfect13:44
Nightroseapachelogger: any opinion on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/164649 ?13:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 164649 in amarok "Include amsn-now-listen script in package" [Undecided,New]13:45
_StefanS_Tonio_: mail is sent13:49
_StefanS_Tonio_: was that kde frontend for dpkg a sucess?13:51
Tonio__StefanS_: very buggy13:53
_StefanS_uhm ok13:53
Tonio_:)13:53
_StefanS_I guess thats 0.1 for you right there :)13:53
_StefanS_anyways.. did you get hte mail now?13:54
_StefanS_Tonio_: do you have anything on your todo list for me atm?13:55
Tonio_nope ;)13:56
_StefanS_alright13:56
Tonio_take care of you, that'll be enough :)13:56
_StefanS_hehe13:56
_StefanS_gotta run13:58
_StefanS_bbl13:58
alleeTonio: kipi-plugins 0.1.5 will be released soon, we have beta1.  0.1.5 final needs soon to be released libkdcraw 0.1.4 (BC break).  Lib transition: Digikam need to be patched and kphotoalbum just a rebuild.   Tested with a quick rebuild without pbuilder.  Is such a transition too late?14:15
Riddellallee: too late for beta, after beta maybe14:18
alleeRiddell: okay.  So I try to prepare everything in my ppa.  So all that's necessary would be strip ~ppa1 and upload to archive14:19
apacheloggerNightrose: mumble?14:44
Nightrosesure - give me 10 mins14:44
apacheloggeryeah, I need to upgrade the version on my workstation anyway ;-)14:45
Nightrosehmm so do I probably14:45
Nightroselet's just just skype for now :P14:45
apacheloggernah, floss ftw :P14:46
Riddellwhat does ftw mean?14:46
apacheloggerfor the win14:47
seeleapachelogger: do you play WoW?14:50
apacheloggerseele: nope14:50
apacheloggerconsidering you mean the game and not vista :P14:50
seeleyes, the game14:50
seeleive only seen gamers use ftw before14:51
* Nightrose uses it as well - got infected by apachelogger :P14:51
Nightrose<- not a gamer14:51
apacheloggerseele: I used to be a kinda pro gamer14:51
apacheloggernot in MMORPG though14:52
NightroseoO scary shooters? *g*14:52
apachelogger...and RTS14:52
apacheloggerespeciall CnC14:52
Nightroseah14:52
* ryanakca grumbles at not being able to build playground/games because of an unpackaged library :| ... unless the author made a typo and intended another library.14:55
seeleapachelogger: QA/CS or newer school?14:56
apacheloggerhehe14:57
apacheloggerCS 1.4 ftw14:57
apachelogger;-)14:57
apacheloggerNightrose: where are you? I want to go hunting14:58
Nightroseanother sec ;-)14:58
Riddellryanakca: column resizing I think needs to be done after the items are in the listwidget14:59
Riddellthere's an autoresize method14:59
Nightroseapachelogger: ready - rokymotion server?14:59
apacheloggeryeah14:59
apacheloggerAmarokMetting channel14:59
apacheloggerMetting even14:59
apachelogger*Meeting14:59
apacheloggerI have serious typo issues today14:59
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, I think bug 164649 should go down the drain15:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 164649 in amarok "Include amsn-now-listen script in package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16464915:00
Nightroseapachelogger: I think this doesn´t work...15:01
Nightroseapachelogger: and yes so do I15:01
Riddellryanakca: if you can fine a better oxygen style icon to be used that would be good15:01
Riddellryanakca: I'm not sure if translations work in it, but system-config-priter-kde has some code to do gettext translations during .ui file loading15:02
nixternalheh, everyone on my blog post is like either "dang to late" or they got lucky and didn't update last night15:20
jussi01nixternal: Im one of the second kind :D15:20
nixternalheh, I found one bad thing though running another alpha version of a distribution....there isn't any https built in to konqi for some reason and I can't get to the fix :)15:24
ryanakcaRiddell: ok :)15:29
\shnixternal: dude...are you using blackbox? reading oggs posts about it, and now I'm using it..but I have problems in gnome-terminal when using readline keystrokes like C-Left C-Right to jump wordwise15:34
nixternalblackbox or openbox?15:35
\shnixternal: openbox ;)15:36
\shsry15:36
nixternalya, I have noticed keystrokes I am used to, even in KDE apps don't work either15:37
\shnixternal: so I think it's a bug in openbox15:38
nixternalcould be15:38
ryanakcaRiddell: how does the hwinfo oxygen icon look? http://www.ruphy.org/gallery/index.php?cat=apps 3/4 of the way down15:46
\shnixternal: if you see it with kde apps and I can see it with gnome apps...:)15:46
Riddellryanakca: could do without the "i"15:51
Riddellryanakca: maybe you can track down the .svg and remove that15:52
ryanakcaRiddell: ok15:57
Riddellryanakca: kdebase-runtime-4.0.1/pics/oxygen/scalable/apps/hwinfo.svgz15:59
ryanakcathanks ;)16:00
jussi01Does anyone know the command for removing the archive of packages that apt has downloaded onto your machine?16:00
jussi01hmmm, wrong channel, but anyway...16:01
Nightroseapt-get clean?16:01
jussi01yeah, I think thats the one, thanks Nightrose16:02
jussi01:)16:02
Nightroseyw16:02
ScottK2smarter: Pong16:03
smarterScottK2: did you see my patch for eric crash?16:06
ScottK2smarter: I did not.  Where is it?16:06
* ScottK2 just woke up - sick in bed with the flu (thank good ness for wireless)16:07
smarterScottK2: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/eric_pyqt_4.3.3_hack.debdiff16:08
ScottK2smarter: Thanks.  Looking16:08
nixternalScottK2: man, the flu is suckin' big time...get ya some oj, some theraflu, and just lay back for a while :)16:08
smarterScottK2: and get well soon ;)16:09
ScottK2Yeah.  I've been mostly resting since Sunday night16:09
nixternalmy daughter just got over the flu, she was out of school for an entire week16:09
ScottK2smarter: So the impact of this is that a list has to be manually expanded rather than done automatically, right?16:10
smarteryes16:10
smarterAt least I think so, I never saw what it looked like when it worked16:10
ScottK2nixternal: It started here with the middle daughter last Friday (she's still out of school) and is spreading.16:10
nixternalya, that totally sucks16:10
ScottK2smarter: Understand.  Thanks.  I got an FFe for eric 4.1.1 (it has the same problem), so I'll include this with my upload for that version.  How do you want to be credited in the changelog?16:11
smarterScottK2: "[ Guillaume Martres ] /n * blabla"16:12
ScottK2Sure.16:12
ScottK2smarter: You want to grab 4.1.1 package from Debian and make a debdiff from that.  I'll add my changes on top of that.16:13
smarterok16:15
smarterScottK2: is there any "remaining ubuntu changes" for eric?16:26
* nixternal does the "I HAVE KUBUNTU HARDY BACK BABY!" dance16:27
smarterlibc6 is fixed?16:28
jussi01yes16:28
jussi01smarter: see the topic in #ubuntu+1 :)16:29
smartergreat16:29
* smarter launches sudo aptitude full-upgrade16:29
jussi01my upgrade is a bit broken atm though...16:29
nixternalthis is heaven16:30
jussi01nixternal: lol16:31
ScottK2smarter: Yes.  Dropping python-xml as a recommends16:31
ScottK2smarter: Make sure your mirror is updated.16:32
smarterit is16:32
ScottK2K16:33
ScottK2smarter: I uploaded a revised eric 4.0.4 yesterday and that should be the only change left in it.16:33
nixternalwhy not just do a new upstream and say it is part of the kde4 ffe? :p16:34
* nixternal runs whatever the latest version is16:34
nixternal4.10 or 4.0.10 or whatever it is16:34
ScottK24.1.116:35
nixternal4.1.116:35
nixternalya16:35
ScottK2nixternal: I already got the UVFe for it.  I just needed smarter's help fixing a crasher on our toolchain.16:36
nixternalit is a lot less buggier than the 4.0.4 one with the warning stuff everytime you start it up and what not16:36
nixternaloh groovy16:36
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* ryanakca wonders how changing a few icons could cause jockey to refuse to run...16:43
smarterScottK2: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/eric_pyqt_4.3.3_hack.debdiff16:44
ScottK2smarter: Looking16:44
jussi01can someone explain the difference between a full upgrade and a safe upgrade in adept?16:44
mornfalljussi01: Safe won't install or remove new packages.16:45
mornfallsafe ~ apt-get upgrade, full ~ apt-get dist-upgrade16:45
jussi01mornfall: thank you :)16:46
* jussi01 is home now and once his upgrade goes through will test mornfall's adept 3 packages16:47
smarteraptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade ;)16:47
* jussi01 is still using apt-get16:47
mornfallsmarter: wha?16:56
mornfalljussi01: Good.16:57
* jussi01 cries, something is still broken16:57
smartermornfall: safe upgrade and full upgrade are the same thing as aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade16:58
mornfallsmarter: When did aptitude start using that terminology?16:58
smartermornfall: recently16:58
smarterupgrade and dist-upgrade are still supported16:59
smarterbut deprecated16:59
mornfallInteresting.16:59
jpatrickapachelogger: pong17:00
apacheloggerjpatrick: please revu http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kopete-plugin-otr-kde417:06
jpatrickapachelogger: any FFe exception bug?17:11
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apacheloggerjpatrick: sec17:15
apacheloggerjpatrick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/19835417:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 198354 in ubuntu "[FFe] kopete-plugin-otr-kde4" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:16
jpatrickapachelogger: might be an idea to put: "* Feature freeze exception granted (LP #blah)" in changelog17:17
apacheloggeraye17:19
jpatrickapachelogger: "Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:11:34 +0100" ;-)17:19
apacheloggerjpatrick: ?17:20
ScottK2smarter: I've built eric 4.1.1 with your patch.  I'm unfortunately unable to test it (flat on my back with the flu and the hardy box is downstairs on the wired network).  How confident are you?17:20
jpatrickapachelogger: heute ist den 1317:21
apacheloggerjpatrick: der 13 ... but the package was created earlier :P17:21
apacheloggeractually 'der 13.'17:21
jpatrickapachelogger: der, das, die, dem, arrghh17:22
apachelogger:)17:22
smarterScottK2: just checked, it doesn't build but original debian package doesn't build too17:24
smarterit can't find debian/eric/usr/share/eric/*.api17:24
jpatrickapachelogger: +1 from me17:24
ScottK2smarter: OK.  This is 4.1.1?  It built for me.17:24
* jpatrick logs into revu17:24
ScottK2smarter: Let me put my copy where you can grab it.17:25
smarterScottK2: hm  no, 4.0.1, looks like I downloaded the wrong version17:25
smarterno it's really 4.1.117:26
smarter4.1.1-1 even17:26
smarterstrange17:26
ScottK2smarter: http://www.kitterman.com/test/17:27
smarterthanks17:27
smarterbuilds fine now17:29
smarterwith your package17:29
jussi01hmmm, got a general question for you all, if you dont mind?17:29
smarterit was probably due to the fact that the patches were not executables17:30
smarterjussi01: go ahead17:30
jpatrickjussi01: punch it!17:31
jussi01Im looking for a remote server, at student prices :) just need a place for basic web hosting and screen +irssi plus maybe a few ther things. suggestions?17:31
jussi01other*17:31
ScottK2smarter: Would you please run it and see how it does for you?  If it's good, I'll upload.17:34
smarterScottK2: I was going to do that17:34
ScottK2smarter: Great.  Thanks.17:34
smarterScottK2: works fine17:40
smarterI tested with the first time wizard and using the menu to access the preferences17:41
ryanakcajussi01: umm... I could possibly give you an account on my server :)17:41
ryanakcaexcept that you'd be at the mercy of my ISP's uptime :)17:41
apacheloggerRiddell: can you please pass kopete-plugin-otr-kde4 through the hardy new queue?17:42
jussi01ryanakca: wow, that could work a charm. is your isp bad for uptime?17:42
ryanakcajussi01: eh, they've been replacing all the cables in town since last summer.17:43
jussi01ryanakca: aha, got you :)17:43
Riddellapachelogger: don't see it yet17:44
ScottK2smarter: Thanks.  Uploading.17:44
ryanakcaRiddell: Hmm... I think I'm done *checks the email to make sure*17:45
nixternalRiddell: how familar are you with the font stuff in system settings?17:47
apacheloggerRiddell: should arrive in some minutes17:48
nixternallike, why does it create a ~/.fonts/ and a ~/.fonts.conf when you select icons in system settings and don't change a thing?17:48
Riddellnixternal: not much17:48
ScottK2smarter: Uploaded.  Thanks for the help.  I suspect we'd have released with a pretty broken eric package if not for you looking into it.17:48
smartermaybe pyqt 4.3.4 will come in time17:48
Riddellryanakca: I only see one commit17:49
Riddellryanakca: "Added oxygen style icons"17:49
ScottK2I doubt we'd upload it if it was out now, but it'd be up to Riddell.17:49
nixternalwell, I just noticed that after you install Kubuntu, fonts look fine, but as soon as you go into the fonts config in system settings, it creates the fonts.conf file and has 'hintfull' in it, which after restarting your session, makes certain fonts look really ugly17:49
* nixternal finds the bug report that someone filed on this and I said it wasn't a problem17:50
nixternalcuz it is17:50
apacheloggerRiddell: what do you think about http://paste.ubuntu.com/5659/ ?17:50
ryanakcaRiddell: commiting17:50
nixternalwho thought it would be funny to subscribe me to a microsoft mailing list?17:51
ryanakcalol17:51
apacheloggerRiddell: kopete also arrived meanwhile :) https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=kopete17:51
jpatricknixternal: they have mls?17:51
nixternalI click the unsubscribe, and it takes me to a page wanting me to create a Windows Live account just so I can unsubscribe17:52
smarterhaha17:52
ryanakcaheh17:52
ryanakcaRiddell: commited17:52
* yuriy is amazed at the work Nightrose and apachelogger have done today but wishes there were more new names on there17:53
Nightroseyuriy: ;-) - skype session ftw17:53
Nightroseand teamwork ftw17:53
Riddellapachelogger: I don't understand what's being proposed17:53
yuriyRiddell: adding x-content/ entries to desktop files so they'll show up in that dialog17:54
jussi01yuriy: in where? is there something for someone with kinda basic (but getting better) skills?17:54
yuriybug 19147517:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 191475 in rhythmbox "[hardy] media tab in file management preferences missing applications" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19147517:54
Riddellyuriy: in rhythmbox?17:54
yuriyRiddell: particularly amarok right now, possibly other applications17:55
apacheloggertechnically every app that also gets used in the KDE 3 autostart selection dialog17:56
apacheloggerlike when you put in an audio cd you will get amarok listed as possability for playback and stuff17:56
apacheloggerNightrose: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/18128917:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 181289 in amarok "Amarok Crashes Entire System" [Undecided,New]17:57
nixternalI think I know who signed me up for Microsoft.com newsletters! it was YOU! ->17:58
nixternal:p17:58
apacheloggerNightrose: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/18120417:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 181204 in amarok "amarokapp crashed with SIGSEGV in xine_get_pos_length()" [Undecided,Invalid]17:58
jussi01nixternal: yeah right.... we all know who the pointy clicky vista lover it :P17:58
nixternalshh17:58
apacheloggernixternal: I signed myself up for the RH newsletter years ago17:58
apacheloggertoday was the first time I saw such a thingy17:59
yuriyapachelogger: how does the kde autostart dialog do it?17:59
nixternallol17:59
Riddellyuriy, apachelogger: fine with me, but beta freeze is any hour now17:59
* nixternal tries to figure out where the font config stuff comes from in system settings17:59
nixternalgotta put an end to this creating of these files and directories when you don't even make a change18:00
apacheloggeryuriy: I have no idea but probably worse than the gnome solution considering they need a new mimetype class and we don't ;-)18:00
Riddellnixternal: I imagine its trying to sync its settings to those used by fontconfig18:01
Riddellnixternal: it's probably a "apply settings to non-KDE apps" option18:01
Riddellapachelogger: kopete-otr accepted18:01
apacheloggerRiddell: well, do you think we should add x-content stuff or not?18:01
nixternalhrmm18:01
apacheloggerNightrose: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/14938218:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 149382 in amarok "100% cpu usage" [Undecided,Invalid]18:01
apacheloggerRiddell: thanks18:01
* apachelogger hugs Riddell18:01
nixternaldebian/patches/05_ubuntu_add_hinting_and_antialiasing_confs.patch18:04
nixternalRiddell: you were right, it is fontconfig18:05
nixternalFull Hinting in Kubuntu looks nasty though18:06
ryanakcaRiddell: do I need to create a package or will it have to wait 'till hardy+1 ?18:06
nixternalwhen viewing a website, and there is bold or italics at all, you can't notice it with hintfull18:06
Riddellryanakca: jockey?18:07
Riddellwe should upload it toot sweet18:07
nixternaland it only makes certain fonts look oogly, not all fonts18:07
ryanakcaRiddell: ok. Do I use bzr-buildpackage or something of the sort? And I'm also guessing I need to merge the changes into jockey-kde-ubuntu (which appears to be the stable branch...)?18:08
Nightroseapachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/9296718:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 92967 in amarok "album art inconsistently missing from OSD" [Undecided,Incomplete]18:08
Riddellryanakca: I see you changed the icon and added resizeColumnToContents calls18:09
ryanakcaRiddell: yes, and exandAll()18:10
Riddellryanakca: I don't think we can just change the icon like that, the gnome side will want to keep their one18:10
ryanakcaRiddell: ah, that affects them too?18:10
Riddellryanakca: yes, it's all in the same package18:10
Riddellryanakca: you'd need to add it (as "jockey-kde.png") rather and install that too (and change the .desktop file, also add setWindowIcon() in the code)18:10
ryanakcaok.18:11
* ryanakca does that18:11
ryanakcaRiddell: fixed18:23
ryanakcaRiddell: wait... can I ignore the code in "build/scripts-2.5/jockey-kde", as long as it's fixed in kde/ ?18:24
Riddellryanakca: yes18:25
Riddellthat's just created when building the package18:25
ryanakcaok18:25
Riddellryanakca: but you need to update ./kde/jockey-kde.desktop.in18:25
Riddellalso remove the NotShowIn  line from there18:25
Riddellryanakca: and add setWindowIcon() to the main dialogue18:26
apacheloggerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080313/KDE18:27
* apachelogger hugs Nightrose18:27
* apachelogger hugs kubuntu18:27
* apachelogger hugs amarok18:27
* Nightrose hugs apachelogger18:27
Nightrose\o/18:27
Nightrosewe are done for today18:27
yuriyyay!18:29
ryanakcaNightrose: hurray :)18:29
* Nightrose thinks we could beat nixternal this week for 5-a-day :P18:29
Nightrose*at18:29
* yuriy hugs Nightrose apachelogger kubuntu amarok and also parthan and santiago-ve 18:30
* jpatrick hugs apachelogger and Nightrose 18:30
Nightrosehehe thx18:30
* Nightrose rehugs and gets a cup of tea18:30
nixternalya, my current 5-a-days are tough ones...all relating to creating code fixes18:31
* ScottK2 cheers code fixes18:32
ryanakcaRiddell: commited18:33
Riddellryanakca: one more thing..18:36
Riddellryanakca: set the image label to the icon too18:37
Riddellryanakca: "#self.ui.logo_image.setPixmap(icon)"18:37
Riddellryanakca: so uncomment that and set   icon = QIcon(..)   somewhere above and use that one icon variable for setWindowIcon, tray icon and the logo_image label18:38
ryanakcaok, will do18:38
Nightroseapachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/13956018:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 139560 in amarok "Audio stuttering with low sample rates" [Undecided,Incomplete]18:40
ryanakcaRiddell: hmm... mind if I manually set the logo, since the 22x22 being stretched looks really fuzzy?18:55
Riddellryanakca: just set an iconLarge = QIcon(..)18:57
Riddellryanakca: keep just one if loop for the paths though18:57
ryanakcaok18:58
ryanakcaRiddell: commited19:00
Riddellryanakca: not sure if this will work19:02
Riddell            largeIcon = QPixmap('/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/'19:02
Riddell                                'apps/jockey-kde.png')19:02
Riddelljust put it on one line19:02
Riddellalso you can remove the four lines below "self.mw.logo_image.setPixmap(largeIcon)"19:03
Riddellryanakca: there's no 48x48 icon19:04
ryanakcaIs now :)19:05
seeledoes alpha 6 still need testing or are we back to testing daily builds?19:07
Riddellseele: we're almost into testing for beta19:13
seeleRiddell: ok.. so don't look at anything until that's out?19:14
Riddellseele: today's CDs are pretty broken, not much point in testing I think19:16
Riddellryanakca: so, that looks great, let me see if I can work out how to merge it into the packaging branch19:17
seeleRiddell: hah, ok.19:20
ryanakcaRiddell: ok19:20
mhbthat's good to hear19:22
mhbthat somebody found the time to fix those jockey bugs19:24
mhbsorry that I haven't19:24
_StefanS_omg.. thats alot of updates...19:24
Riddellhug ryanakca19:24
_StefanS_161 packages19:24
* mhb hugs ryanakca and Riddell 19:24
seregawhat a cool wallpaper!19:28
mhbhope everything else is going well19:28
_StefanS_serega: the new one in hardy ?19:28
seregaexciting19:29
serega_StefanS_: indeed19:29
_StefanS_glad to hear that :)19:29
* ryanakca hugs mhb back :)19:29
serega_StefanS_: is it your work?)19:29
mhbryanakca: sadly, I don't deserve your hug19:30
mhbryanakca: I've been away for most of the last few weeks19:31
mhbryanakca: school's tough19:31
ryanakcamhb: ouch :)19:31
mhbryanakca: well, not so tough, but time-consuming ... I have virtually no free time19:32
* ryanakca still has a few year to look forward to before that :)19:32
mhbryanakca: well, it's not that bad - it's pretty fun, all the math and problem solving and algorithms...19:34
ryanakcaoooh :)19:34
mhbryanakca: I really enjoy it, the only downside is no time for anything else19:35
* ryanakca grumbles, where am I supposed to find libkgllib to build playground/games19:36
ryanakcaheh, nevermind. Whoever wrote that cmake error message might want to remove the first 'lib' in there19:37
_StefanS_serega: nope, its a wallpaper that kwii saw in a collection where i got alot of pictures of plants19:38
_StefanS_serega: nature photos19:38
_StefanS_serega: http://djmattricks.deviantart.com/19:39
_StefanS_serega: check out the vplants19:39
serega_StefanS_: it's really cool, event cooler than previous19:39
serega*even19:40
_StefanS_serega: yep, very glad you like it19:40
_StefanS_is anyone running 1920x1200 on nvidia quadro in here? I'm having amazingly slow 2d performance19:41
_StefanS_I just dont get it..19:41
yuriyserega, _StefanS_ i thought the previous wallpaper was cooler but w/e. there is actually a "bug" on the new wallpaper though19:42
seregayuriy: bug?19:42
_StefanS_eh..bug?19:42
yuriybug 20188619:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 201886 in kubuntu-default-settings "[KDE4] The background-picture of the login in Hardy produces moiré patterns" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20188619:42
_StefanS_that must be on an old crt then19:42
_StefanS_hmm19:43
yuriyinvalid imho, but maybe the pattern is actually very irritating to some?19:43
smarter_"moiré"?19:43
ryanakcasmarter_: beyond me :)19:43
seregasmarter_: +119:43
_StefanS_yuriy: like 99% percent of people,  cant they just change it?19:43
_StefanS_yuriy: default wallpaper never stays on for long imho19:43
seregahuh... there is a wp link19:44
seregaI see some radial intersecting dark curvers is it a distortion?19:45
seregaon the left side19:45
_StefanS_serega, yuriy: I will contact the author to see if he can do anything about it19:47
yuriywell, i thought the effect was intentional, though i'm not entirely sure i know what the reporter is talking about19:47
_StefanS_donno either, but if the author says its supposed to be like that, well there's not much to do about it19:48
serega_StefanS_: heh, I knew it! :)19:50
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seregamaybe resolution will be legendary: "It is not a bug, it is a feature!" :-D19:53
ryanakcaheh19:53
_StefanS_ok I just mailed him, lets see what he says19:54
mhbI hope you all know what day is it tomorrow!20:13
Dekanshello everyone20:13
jpatrickmhb: Friday?20:14
mhbjpatrick: that too20:14
mhbjpatrick: also the date is important20:14
ryanakcamhb: your birthday?20:15
mhbryanakca: correct20:15
jpatrick:)20:15
ryanakcalol :P20:15
mhbryanakca: I guess I'll come around and fix a bug in Kubuntu to celebrate20:16
mhbnot really five-a-day ( I think doing five a day will create more invalids and won't fix), but still worth it :o)20:17
DekansI have a bug for you :)20:17
Dekanswith KDM on hardy20:17
yuriyif i understand bug 176683 correctly it should be fixed now right?20:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 176683 in coccinella "Some strings require fixed order of variables: translation issue" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17668320:17
yuriysorry bug 17268320:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 172683 in gtkpod-aac "Rebuild for libmp4v2 API migration" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17268320:17
yuriy(against amarok as well)20:18
ryanakcamhb: :)20:18
DekansAre you aware of a bug of KDM on hardy alpha 6 ?20:21
mhbDekans: there's no software without bugs, so I say yes, but feel free to explain20:23
TheInfinityDekans: not only one ;)20:24
DekansWhen I log out from KDE, I get a black screen20:24
DekansI don't see kdm20:24
Dekansat this black screen I cannot restart X20:24
Dekansthe only way is to restart kdm via tty120:25
Dekansor manual power off20:25
Dekansbut when i'm logged, i can kill X and I come back to kdm20:25
_StefanS_Dekans: what video driver are you using ?20:27
NightroseDekans: sounds strangely familiar to what I am experiencing here20:28
Artemis_FowlDekans: happens to me, too20:28
Dekansnvidia-glx driver on amd6420:30
DekansI tried kdm-kde4 last week and same issue20:30
Dekansgmd works fine20:30
Dekansgdm*20:30
_StefanS_Dekans: no idea20:30
_StefanS_Dekans: but I'm using the newest nvidia beta, and it works here20:31
_StefanS_Dekans: stable was ok too20:31
_StefanS_Dekans: 171.0620:31
Dekansmine is almost a legacy driver, so, no beta for me20:31
_StefanS_Dekans: is it an older geforce?20:31
Dekans96.4320:32
Dekansyes geforce 4 GO mx20:32
_StefanS_oh my god.20:32
_StefanS_thats old20:32
Dekansi have nvidia-glx driver, not nvidia-glx-new20:32
_StefanS_well I think a new legacy driver was released recently also20:32
Dekansyes, old but still compiz-compliant :)20:32
Dekans(not not kdm compliant anymore :( )20:33
_StefanS_older is definitely not bad ;)20:33
_StefanS_$100 to the one that can solve my 2d performance issues on nvidia quadro20:34
_StefanS_:D20:34
nixternal_StefanS_: I use an NVidia GForce 4mx440 :)20:34
nixternalnow that is old20:34
nixternaland a Radeon 9700 which is a tad bit newer20:34
_StefanS_stable cards nevertheless20:34
nixternalthe GF 4 mx440 is about useless though20:35
nixternalactually, it runs on a headless box now, so I haven't played with any compositing on it in over a year20:35
_StefanS_yes for anything above 1024x768 I'm pretty sure20:35
nixternaland back then it was horrid20:35
nixternalKDE 4 w/composite on the Radeon with the free driver isn't to bad actually20:35
_StefanS_well, I will definitely go onboard intel on my next alptop20:35
_StefanS_+laptop20:35
nixternaldisable vsync though otherwise you get nasty black horizontal lines20:35
_StefanS_heh20:36
nixternalI use Intel now, and it just works like a charm20:36
_StefanS_tweak the bastard.20:36
_StefanS_It really always does, and thats what I like.20:36
_StefanS_and I never use 3d anyways20:36
Dekansit seems that compiz performances are still better than kde4 compositing20:36
Dekansit's a Geforce4 mx point of view :)20:36
nixternalI have to admit, I fixed the libc6 issue on my laptop with a Ubuntu CD, and Gnome actually looked really good on it...now Ubuntu on my 1440x900 desktop display, its like not nice looking unlike KDE 4 which I love on that screen20:37
_StefanS_prisoner of war rather :D20:37
nixternalheck, Vista and OS X even look good on that screen20:37
_StefanS_nixternal: what annoys me is that I have a 4 year old laptop (t42) that runs with a god-awful mobility radeon 9600/64mb, and it does 2d faster than my nvidia quadro FX 570m/512mb20:39
_StefanS_thats ¤%"#¤¤¤ irritating.20:39
nixternalwhoa, I wouldn't have expected that20:39
_StefanS_someone attributed it to some bugged powermanagement in the nvidia driver20:40
_StefanS_I have tried changing it, but I got 10% more performance (barely noticable)20:40
_StefanS_the opensource driver is 50% of what I'm seeing now.20:41
_StefanS_donno..20:41
_StefanS_nixternal: tried asking in #nvidia, maybe someone knows.20:45
DekansXorg update20:55
Dekansmaybe I'm good with it \o/20:55
ArtimusIs it intentional that the GTK SCIM pops up in Kubuntu Hardy?21:35
deepwaveAnyone here involved with the Adept manager/Updater?21:44
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Artimusdeepwave: No, but I kind of want to rewrite it...21:50
yuriyArtimus: oh? did you check out adept-3 yet?21:50
Artimusyuriy: I hope you mean Adept4?21:51
Artimus(please tell me they didn't call the QT4 adept adept3)21:51
ArtimusI'm still learning QT4.  I've been programming with it in school (an independent study in C++ with a teacher that hasn't seen programming since pascal)21:52
ArtimusI should probably look through the new version of Adept.21:52
deepwaveHmm... I wanted to get involved with the Adept project.21:54
ArtimusI've seen screenshots of the Mac OSX Updater...  I think it'd look nice.21:55
deepwaveGet it nicely integrated with KDE4, that sort of stuff.21:55
yuriyArtimus: "they" (he) did.21:55
yuriyi thought you were discussing it with mornfall earlier, or was that a different person?21:56
ArtimusI haven't had a conversation in this channel before21:56
yuriyArtimus: current one is version 2, so next one is version 321:56
ArtimusSo it'd be someone else21:56
Artimushttp://www.sfsu.edu/~housing/resnet/diy/diyimages/mac.osx2.software.update-4.GIF  <-- The changelog would go nicely in the box. Those are always nice to read.21:57
deepwaveyuriy: Didn't talk with mornfall either.21:57
ArtimusI hope Adept got rid of the "dropdown" update function.  Nice in theory, but I frequently get caught up in it.21:58
deepwaveArtimus: I agree.  I always wonder what changes a particular update brings.21:58
yuriyArtimus: oh sorry I was thinking of Artemis_Fowl21:59
Artimusdeepwave: The changelog function is there.   All one would have to do is parse the "latest" changelog.  There's no reason to display the entire package history (I think that's what adept does now)21:59
ArtimusAdpet itself seems to have all of the functionality built in.  It just needs to be smarter about fetching the update list and the GUI needs to be revised.22:00
deepwaveAlso having synaptic's purge removed packages configuration files would be nice too.22:01
ArtimusI use aptitude purge "~c"22:01
yuriyArtimus: if you're on hardy: https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive22:02
yuriyit'll overwrite your current adept though22:03
yuriyand it is very much an alpha of course22:03
yuriyand deepwave too ^22:03
deepwaveyuriy: Cool.22:04
Artimusyuriy: I don't use adept much anyway.  And yes, I'm hardy.  I got to skip the glibc screwup, though ^_^22:04
ArtimusSCIM is going to die22:05
Artimus"adept_manager crashed"22:11
Artimusbeautiful22:11
deepwaveArtimus: Is that a bad thing?  About SCIM?22:11
Artimus#1:SCIM is a GTK app  #2: It's bound to Shift+Space, a key combo I hit a lot.  #3: If you close it, it comes back (they might have fixed this with a new package)  #4: It's only useful for languages I don't speak22:12
deepwaveOh.  I just map the Compose key in KDE to my right Windows key.  And thats all the internationalized input I need. :)22:14
ArtimusI don't know why SCIM is even started.22:15
ArtimusIt should certainly not be a GTK app22:15
ArtimusThere's a way to disable it in GNOME but (as far as I can tell) not in KDE22:16
deepwaveArtimus: Strange.22:17
ArtimusI hate it...22:17
ArtimusIf I tell it to Quit, it should quit22:17
ArtimusHeck, I can kill it's processes and it still respawns22:17
Artimus*its22:18
deepwaveIts clearly a demon daemon.22:18
Artimushah, I like that22:18
yuriyArtimus: uninstall it..22:19
Artimusyuriy: One of the meta packages depends on it22:19
yuriyArtimus: install skim, remove scim22:20
Artimushmm...  Looks like it will let me22:20
ArtimusSkim was already installed22:20
apacheloggerRiddell: I think bug 36905 belongs into kdelibs22:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 36905 in kdebase "KDE hyperlinks in do not work in a standard (non-kde) Ubuntu enviroment." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3690522:21
apacheloggerand we should get this fixed for hardy ... i.e. make kde use xdg-open instead of looking for kfmclient22:21
Artimus  bad call22:23
Artimusyuriy: bad, bad call22:23
yuriyArtimus: oh?22:23
ArtimusYes. I just lost the ability to enter text22:23
yuriyuhoh22:23
ArtimusAn invisible window popped up on top of all text apps22:23
ArtimusAnd I had an invisible icon in my system tray22:24
yuriyhad? is it fixed?22:24
ArtimusI dropped down to a terminal, reinstalled the packages and killed the scim processes (they respawned)22:24
ArtimusDefine fixed22:24
ArtimusI can enter text, but the ugly GTK thing is still around22:24
yuriyah, i see22:24
yuriysorry, :( worked for me as far as i can remember22:24
ArtimusI'll try it again when I'm not running programs22:25
ArtimusI need to wait for some updates anyway22:25
ArtimusMy mirror is a bit behind right now22:25
ArtimusIt's missing packages22:25
Artimus(404 errors)22:25
Nightroseyuriy: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/03/14/hug-the-bugs-2/ ;-) - thx for your blog22:58
arcticpenguin380does kde 4 hardy have the random ram locations?22:58
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