[00:06] <jjesse> Riddell: removed the envy drivers and starting the upgrade
[00:06] <jjesse> envy nvidia
[00:11] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: A total rewrite of guidance would be nice.
[00:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: yeah right.
[00:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: want to dump glassfish into oblivion, or do you want it in?
[00:12] <ScottK2> That's the Java thing, right?
[00:12] <ScottK2> I vote oblivion.
[00:13] <ScottK2> If they miraculously get their packages advocated, I might want to unoblivion that particular one.
[00:14] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: yeah
[00:14] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: want to have the honours?
[00:16] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: No.  I'm actually working on trying to teach Guidance displayconfig not to barf if xorg.conf happens to not be around.
[00:16]  * Hobbsee is attempting to get uni work done.
[00:16]  * Hobbsee is failing
[00:16] <Hobbsee> you see, this is why i don't do LP-stuff while at uni
[00:16] <ScottK2> At least neither of us is getting paid for this.
[00:17] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: can i have supertuxkart?  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/supertuxkart/+bug/201529
[00:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201529 in supertuxkart "[FFe] Please sync supertuxkart 0.4-1 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New]
[00:18] <jjesse> only 4 hours and 24 minutes remaining on upgrade
[00:19] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: to nuke or approve.  With games I'm incliined to be pretty liberal?
[00:19] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: to approve.
[00:19] <ScottK2> Sure
[00:19] <ScottK2> I'll mark on tha tone too
[00:20] <Hobbsee> thx
[00:21] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: Done
[00:21] <Hobbsee> thanks
[00:22] <ScottK2> No problem
[00:25] <gribelu> hmm why are the changelogs of new packages always 2 decades late?  i've been trying to see what was new in kdebase-workspace_4.0.2-0ubuntu2 since it was uploaded and now kdebase-workspace_4.0.2-0ubuntu3 is in.. never got to see the ubuntu2 changelog
[00:28] <stdin> gribelu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/kdebase-workspace/+changelog
[00:39] <yuriy> could someone update the bug day link in the topic?
[00:39] <yuriy> here and in #kubuntu
[00:44] <Hobbsee> no topic lock
[00:45] <gribelu> stdin: thanks i was looking for an alternative way to view changelogs :)
[00:48] <jjesse> wow this is a slow upgrade :)
[00:49] <kristjan_> you mention that kde4 is available with alpha6, but there is now ld link? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha6/Kubuntu
[00:53] <kristjan_> "Alpha 6 is the first alpha release to ship with a KDE4 CD. Take your pick."
[00:56] <kristjan_> the missing link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-kde4/releases/hardy/alpha-6/ <-- please give this link @https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha6/Kubuntu (there is only kde3.5 cd link)
[00:57] <yuriy> kristjan_: it's a wiki, feel free to add the link
[00:57] <stdin> kristjan_: it's a wiki, add the link
[00:58] <kristjan_> no, thanks. I'm not registered ;-)
[00:58] <yuriy> kristjan_: it's the same as your launchpad account if you have one
[00:59] <stdin> why would you use the alphas if you don't have a LP account, you can't report bugs?
[01:00] <kristjan_> anyways, the german version has the link http://www.kubuntu-de.org/nachrichten/kubuntu/kubuntu-8-04-hardy-heron-alpha-6-erschienen
[01:00] <yuriy> link added. shoulda gone with stdin's attitude
[01:22] <jjesse> wo only 14% thru ht e upgrade
[01:22] <jjesse> this swill probablly take all night
[01:50] <ryanakca> Umm, can I mark bugs on 7.10RC as invalid, since its RC, and untouched?
[01:54] <jjesse> i would :)
[01:55] <ScottK2> ryanakca: That's one way to do it.  I'd suggest actually looking into it.
[01:58] <ryanakca> ScottK2: hmm... well, the bug looks to me as if it was just a fluke... bug 151497 , and the error message only appears on first login. Mark it as Incomplete and ask if they still experience it?
[01:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151497 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu 7.10-RC: Kdesktop: unable to create io-slave" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151497
[01:59] <ScottK2> Sounds reasonable.
[01:59] <ScottK2> much better than straight to invalid from a user perspective.  At least they get asked first
[02:00] <ryanakca> Yes
[02:00] <ryanakca> Also, would it be reasonable to subscribe ubuntu-security to bug 134832 ?
[02:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134832 in kubuntu-meta "Reiserfs is mounted as swap" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134832
[02:00]  * ScottK2 looks
[02:00] <ryanakca> Mounted as swap, I'm guessing it could overwrite the partition, erasing everything, etc? Or would it just be a large nuissance?
[02:01] <ScottK2> It's a data hazard issue, but not security
[02:02] <ryanakca> Ok. And I'm guessing it would be... ummm... kernel related?
[02:02] <jjesse> nixternal: i see you finally got the top of the list for 5-a-day
[02:02]  * ryanakca shrugs
[02:04] <ScottK2> I spent about 6 hours yesterday and today understanding Guidance's xorg object model, how to interact with it, and how to get it to survive with a piece of xorg.conf missing.
[02:04] <ScottK2> That was one.
[02:05]  * ScottK2 really wonder if the whole 5 thing puts the emphasis on the right thing.
[02:06] <jjesse> ScottK2: what should the emphasis be on?  new development or fixing bugs that are old and perhaps invalid/already fixed?
[02:06] <ryanakca> ScottK2: I look at it as a interesting way for people to wet their toes and get involved with Ubuntu...
[02:06] <jjesse> as so many of the bugs i've dealt with are months old and the reporter no longer is following up on
[02:06] <ScottK2> That wasn't new development.  That was bug fixing.
[02:07] <jjesse> what should the emphsais be on then?
[02:07] <ScottK2> The best user experience.
[02:07] <ScottK2> Bug body counts don't get you there.
[02:07] <jjesse> doesn't troubleshooting/resolving/fixing bugs deal with that?
[02:09] <ScottK2> Sure, but what affects the end user more: Fixing on bug that makes a piece of the system non-functional or updating the status on 100 bugs in Launchpad?
[02:10] <ScottK2> Updating status needs to be done, but I don't think it should be the first and only thing we pay attention to.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: the idea is that you fix as well as update status :)
[02:10]  * ryanakca agrees with ScottK2, but points out that not everybody knows how to fix system critical software.
[02:11] <ScottK2> Hobbsee: How many of these 5 people are taking credit for are updated marking and how many are actual new fixes?
[02:11] <ScottK2> At this point I'm seriously hoping I'm one of the ones that does, because I'm sure as heck attempting it.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: good question
[02:20] <jjesse> l
[02:21] <jjesse> sorry bout that
[02:26] <jjesse> ScottK2: so you would argue that you shouldn't take credit on 5-a-day if you don't fix a bug just do check for status?
[02:27] <ryanakca> heh, that wipes out pretty much all of my 5-a-day bugs...
[02:27] <jjesse> ryanakca: most of mine as well
[02:27] <nixternal> OK you core-devs, bug #44548 has an attachment by Colin Watson to fix that bug if you want to get to work on it :)
[02:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44548 in kdebase "Problems with accentuated characters in man pages" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44548
[02:29] <jjesse> wow upgrade at 26% of downloading packages
[02:33] <jjesse> nixternal: do you want to close out bug 34683, you were the last pesrson to respond asking for more questions
[02:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 34683 in kubuntu-default-settings "default background setting shoudl be "per screen" not "stretched accross all screens"" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34683
[02:33] <jjesse> no response since 2007-06
[02:35] <ScottK2> jjesse: Yes
[02:35] <jjesse> just didn't want to step on rich's toes
[02:36] <ScottK2> jjesse: Yes, I think discovering a bug no longer happens and then marking it fixed really shouldn't count.
[02:37] <jjesse> ScottK2: well i would only mark it as fixed if i was abble to track down exactly what fixed it
[02:37] <jjesse> if it was a year or two old then i would i mark it as invalid due to not being able to track down what exactly was causing the problem
[02:37] <ScottK2> I think marking it fixed is fine, it's the taking credit on 5 a day that bugs me.
[02:38] <ScottK2> I'll sometimes mark those fixed depending on how well triaged and reproduceable they were.
[02:39] <nixternal> ScottK2: for 5-a-day there are 2 stages, the regular 5-a-day and the really-fix-it
[02:39] <jjesse> ScottK2: i guess i would disagree due to the fact there are some people that know how to do little more then check status of a bug and resolve the bug based on feedback from the reporter (or lack of response)
[02:39]  * jjesse points at himslef
[02:39] <nixternal> I think people working on 5-a-day and racking up an asston of karma for triaging a bug is worth plenty of cookies
[02:40] <jjesse> its interesting my karma has actually gone down due to the averaging of things, little blueprint work, little translation work, etc
[02:40] <nixternal> which it seems a majority of the really-fix-it bugs shouldn't even be listed
[02:40] <nixternal> ya, I have translation work...how the hell I got that I will never know
[02:41] <ScottK2> Well then maybe I'm grumbling about really-fix-it then and not 5 a day.
[02:41] <nixternal> I think because I had to manually upload the kubuntu-docs translations a couple of years ago
[02:41] <jjesse> the average of everything keeps my karma score way low
[02:41] <yuriy> i think 5-a-day is just doing something with a bug, you don't have to close it
[02:41] <nixternal> yuriy: yup
[02:42] <nixternal> it was to get more people working on bugs...started out easy, then came the really-fix-it, and there will probably be one more stage yet to come
[02:42] <jjesse> what is really-fix-it again?
[02:42] <nixternal> bugs that supposedly have patches in LP, upstream, or elsewhere
[02:42] <jjesse> oh yeah daniel osted about that on his blog didn't he
[02:42] <nixternal> ya
[03:29] <nixternal> ScottK2 or Hobbsee: I have a piece of crack for you to upload...first person to answer wins the crack
[03:56] <nixternal> thank god for my foresight box
[03:56] <nixternal> because someone uploaded very bad crack to Hardy
[03:56] <nixternal> so if you are running hardy, I urge you to not upgrade at all
[03:57] <nixternal> I have 3 dead boxes...gg core-devs
[06:15]  * ScottK2 isn't going to upload it, but is curious what it is.
[06:21] <nareshov> Is anyone packaging kdpkg? (If not I'll go ahead :)
[06:37] <apachelogger> nareshov: none is working at it AFAIK - best thing is to look at LP, you need to report a needs-packaging bug anyway
[06:37] <nareshov> oh, okay
[06:38] <nareshov> BTW, pinentry-qt never works for me
[06:38] <nareshov> it flashes the window several times without letting me a chance to type my passphrase
[06:39] <nareshov> How can I make let me enter passphrase on stdin itself?
[08:14] <apachelogger> jpatrick: pling
[08:14] <apachelogger> nixternal: pling
[08:15] <apachelogger> Tonio_: can I archive kdesudo on revu?
[09:08] <Tonio_> apachelogger: sure
[09:15] <_StefanS_> hello..
[09:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good work on the k-d-s :)
[09:16] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping?
[09:22] <apachelogger_> I hereby declare pardus one awesome distribution
[09:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ;) still waiting for the qtcurse config file
[09:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but I like the defaults, we probably don't need to change it
[09:26] <Tonio_> apachelogger_: a friend of mine also likes it
[09:26] <Tonio_> apachelogger_: what is interesteing in it ?
[09:26] <apachelogger_> it's very polished
[09:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: err, I sent you the qtcurve config
[09:26] <apachelogger_> iconwise especially
[09:27]  * _StefanS_ is glad that the fractals is gone.
[09:29] <_StefanS_> apachelogger_: how did you manage to download and test it ? :) I cant read turkish
[09:29] <apachelogger_> I can :P
[09:30] <apachelogger_> no, german LinuxUser magazine had a live version
[09:30] <_StefanS_> ah :D
[09:30] <_StefanS_> cause I dont understand squat on the homepage
[09:30] <_StefanS_> is it gnome?
[09:31] <Jucato> pardus has English too
[09:31] <Jucato> KDE based
[09:31] <_StefanS_> ah
[09:31] <_StefanS_> I must be blind :)
[09:32] <_StefanS_> ah the airbrush look to the icons is very nice indeed
[09:33] <Jucato> (offtopic... the banner for the new GNOME release looks like some people want to have a foot accupuncture :P)
[09:33] <apachelogger_> lol
[09:36] <smarter> ScottK/ScottK2: ping
[09:41] <apachelogger_> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img065.png <-- icons
[09:42] <apachelogger_> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img067.png <-- desktop
[09:42] <apachelogger_> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img068.png <-- init stuff manager
[09:42] <apachelogger_> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img069.png <-- user manager
[09:42] <apachelogger_> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img071.png <-- firefox like throbber anymation at app start
[09:43]  * apachelogger_ switches to mandriva
[09:49] <Jucato> (another thing I like about pardus is it's theme of cats :P)
[10:05] <apachelogger_> hm, I somehow eneded up in ubuntu
[10:09] <eldaria> Hmmm, I was trying to figure out If I can release my application under GPLv3 or if I have to use GPLv2. I use Qt4, with Python 2.5 and PyQt4 all from the repositories.
[10:10] <eldaria> from the trolltech site only says that qt3 is gplv3, and qt4 only from snapshot.
[10:14] <Jucato> eldaria: http://trolltech.com/developer/notes/changes/changes-4.3.4/
[10:16] <eldaria> Jucato: Thanks, it looks like I'm running an older version of QT, 4.3.2
[10:17] <Jucato> !info libqt4 hardy
[10:17] <ubotu> Package libqt4 does not exist in hardy
[10:17] <Jucato> !info libqt4-dev hardy
[10:17] <ubotu> libqt4-dev (source: qt4-x11): Qt 4 development files. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.4-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 4351 kB, installed size 22952 kB
[10:17] <Jucato> !info libqt4-dev gutsy
[10:17] <ubotu> libqt4-dev (source: qt4-x11): Qt 4 development files. In component main, is optional. Version 4.3.2-0ubuntu3.2 (gutsy), package size 4333 kB, installed size 23128 kB
[10:17] <Jucato> hm.. gutsy-backports might have an updated qt4, or from the KDE 4 PPA repository
[10:18] <eldaria> i'm quite sure I have both repositories added, will check, 1 moment.
[10:21] <eldaria> yup, both backports and ppa, oh well, will have to wait for Hardy.
[10:23] <eldaria> it will probably take me that long anyway before I can release a working product. lol
[10:41] <Riddell> kwwii: do you have the source to kubuntu-leaflet in example-content?
[10:43]  * jussi01 cries at the latest libc6 breakage
[11:18] <awen_> hi... just fixed the problem with kde-guidance-powermanager not being able to suspend, bug 194780 , if someone wants to have a look
[11:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194780 in kde-guidance "[hardy] power manager does not suspend/hibernate, while kubuntu shut-down menu does." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194780
[11:22] <Riddell> hi awen_, thanks for looking into that
[11:23] <Riddell> awen_: how did you find out the problem?
[11:23] <awen_> Riddell: no problem
[11:24] <awen_> Riddell: i copied the powermanage.py script to another folder, and started poking at it... and ended up finding out, that it was the hal call simply not doing the right thing
[11:24] <awen_> and looked up the hal specification for it http://people.freedesktop.org/~david/hal-spec/hal-spec.html#interface-device-systempower
[11:26] <awen_> i'm not sure, but i suspect that the interface might have changed (my guess was that 3 meant state S3; but that's not how it is interpreted now)
[11:26] <Riddell> mm, maybe
[11:27] <Riddell> I wonder why you would want to suspend for anything other than an indefinate time
[11:27] <Riddell> uploaded
[11:32] <smarter> ScottK2: I've made a small hack to fix the eric crash: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/eric_pyqt_4.3.3_hack.debdiff
[11:33] <awen_> Riddell: i wondered a little too... and thanks
[11:35] <Riddell> awen_: does guidance's brightness control work for you?
[11:35] <_StefanS_> I've encountered a crash yesterday with adept updater, It asked me a question about what configuration file I wanted to keep. Adept crashed after all package updates were done
[11:36] <awen_> Riddell: not really... changing brightness works, and i get a pop-up; but it allways states that it is "brightness: 100%"
[11:37] <Riddell> hmm, I have the opposite, % changes but actual brightness doesn't
[11:38] <Riddell> ah _StefanS_, did you have preferred settings for qtcurve?
[11:38] <mornfall> _StefanS_: That wins you a free copy of adept 3 alpha 4 which you can try to crash and report and you'll crashes will be fixed as a bonus (*)... (*) As developer time permits.
[11:38] <mornfall> s/you'll/your/
[11:38] <mornfall> Bah :-).
[11:39] <awen_> Riddell: that sounds utterly strange...
[11:43] <smarter> Riddell: here brightness doesn't change and it stays at 0%
[11:44] <Riddell> a multitude of brightness problems :)
[11:44] <smarter> acpi is such a pain
[11:46] <jussi01> mornfall: do you have packages of adept 3?
[11:46] <smarter> jussi01: there's a PPA
[11:46] <jussi01> smarter: address pls?
[11:46] <smarter> http://ppa.launchpad.net/me-mornfall/ubuntu
[11:46] <jussi01> smarter: thanks.
[11:47] <smarter> deb ... hardy main
[11:47] <jussi01> mornfall: Ill play with that some when I get home (and have fixxed my hardy install sufficiently)
[11:47] <Riddell> http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu/pool/main/a/adept/  now
[11:47] <Riddell> http://ppa.launchpad.net/mornfall/ubuntu  rather
[11:49] <jussi01> Riddell: much appreciated :)
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: good point is that finally power-manager is fully translated now :) after 2 years we're using it, it finally get translation ;)
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we want a specific qtcurve option? default is very nice to me
[12:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, it seems to be infinitly configurable
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, but as defaults seem to be nice enough...... and since pushing default conf is not that easier (no .kde) I'd vote to keep the defaults
[12:10]  * smarter still prefers polyester
[12:11] <Tonio_> smarter: bah it changes....... and polyester has a nasty bug with kate
[12:11] <Riddell> it does?
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 144429
[12:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144429 in polyester "Crash of Kate when closing files, only using polyester style" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144429
[12:12] <Riddell> nasty
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've uploaded k-d-s with kde 4 bits enabled, seems to work for me
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: randomly happens for soem people, but the issue is also reported to kde bts
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think we should try and get them upstream where sensible
[12:12] <smarter> never happened for me
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: ktip, kcookiejar and kwin seem sensible changes
[12:12] <Tonio_> smarter: no but we also have to consider our users :)
[12:12] <smarter> I'll try to get used to qtcurve
[12:13] <smarter> Tonio_: of course ;)
[12:13] <Tonio_> smarter: http://worksforme.org is not the good way of managing a distro :)
[12:13] <Tonio_> dunno if the joke exists in english in fact..... :) in french we commonly answer http://chezmoicamarche.com
[12:13] <Riddell> smarter: qtcurve is infinitely configurable, I'm sure you can find some settings that work well
[12:14] <smarter> the bug is quiet old, maybe it has been fixed?
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: but do we want to patch startkde to push the config ?
[12:14] <Tonio_> smarter: no idea
[12:14] <Tonio_> smarter: still opened on the kde side, so I suspect no
[12:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, if we did configure it we should try to fix qtcurve to read something from /etc
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: so read in .local, then etc ? sounds like not that easy to do.....
[12:15] <Tonio_> maybe there are qt classes for this, dunno
[12:15] <Tonio_> but as I say, defaults are fine for me, could be discussed next meeting
[12:15] <Riddell> other way around
[12:15] <Riddell> yes, could be
[12:15] <Tonio_> talking about that, is there a date planned ?
[12:16] <Riddell> Next meeting: Wednesday 19th 23:00UTC
[12:16] <Tonio_> okay I'll be there this time, I was there on saturday, sorry for this....
[12:16] <Riddell> I wasn't :)
[12:16] <Tonio_> hehe okay :)
[12:17] <Nightrose> ok now it looks a lot friendlier ;-) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080313/KDE
[12:17]  * Nightrose goes on triaging
[12:25] <apachelogger> dooooods
[12:25] <apachelogger> my editmoin doesn't work -.-
[12:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, I added that to my todo
[12:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: sending changes upstream?
[12:28] <apachelogger> yes
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I'm concerned about a conflict between qtcurve and gtk-qt-engine
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: the purpose of qtcurve is to have the same theme on gnome and kde
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: but it doesn't map icons and so on
[12:29]  * apachelogger gives all his votes to gtk-qt-engine
[12:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: hvae you seen ubuntu gnome recently?  they have some crazy theme
[12:29] <Riddell> goodness, compiz-kde is actually working
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: by crazy, you mean beautifull ?
[12:30] <Riddell> that alt-tab is, to borrow a kwwii-ism, killer
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: "interesting" :)
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I always thought gnome was way more beautifull kde is
[12:30]  * apachelogger always thought that ubuntu gnome looks awful
[12:30] <apachelogger> suse gnome looks much better
[12:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: agree on that point
[12:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: any luck with that gentoo amarok test?
[12:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but I talked about gnome and kde in general
[12:31] <Tonio_> gnome is really beautifull
[12:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't get any feedback, I will check it myself when I am at home
[12:31] <Tonio_> apachelogger: talking about gtk-qt, afaics it does work pretty nicelly with qtcurve aswell
[12:32] <Tonio_> but then we don't use the gtk-qtcurve
[12:32] <apachelogger> well, qtcurve is adapting to the issue, not adapting a solution for the issue
[12:33] <apachelogger> a doctor doesn't get the flu, so he can't get infected with flu in his job
[12:33] <apachelogger> quite strange approach really
[12:34] <Tonio_> hum Riddell, when using qtcurve, gtk sets qt by default
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm changing the default config file to use qtcurve aswell
[12:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: please fix my editmoin
[12:34] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nah - I am triaging the bugs on the list right now - lots of invalid stuff there
[12:35]  * Nightrose should start the 5-a-day as well :P
[12:35] <apachelogger> yay
[12:35] <apachelogger> for triaging
[12:35] <apachelogger> not 5-a-day
[12:35] <apachelogger> stupid mainstream stuff
[12:35] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:36] <Tonio_> hum no, Qt theme is qtcurve in fact, so no change needed ;) cool
[12:36] <Nightrose> there we go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080313/KDE
[12:36] <Nightrose> looks way better than a few hours ago
[12:36] <Tonio_> Nightrose: good job ;)
[12:36] <apachelogger> still I need editmoin
[12:37] <Nightrose> hmm why is the wiki taking so long to save my edits?
[12:37] <Nightrose> Tonio_:  ;-)
[12:37] <Nightrose> Tonio_: I need you to have a look at ksniffer btw if you have time - apachelogger and I basically gave up on it - needs a kdesu expert
[12:38] <jussi01> Nightrose: its been slow for a good while imho
[12:38] <Nightrose> meh
[12:40] <Tonio_> Nightrose: revu ?
[12:41] <Tonio_> I never pretented to be a kdesu expert, but I can have a look now if you want
[12:41] <Nightrose> Tonio_: nope I can get you a bugnumber and forward you all the mail I wrote with the author
[12:41] <Tonio_> Nightrose: what is the problem exactly ?
[12:41] <Tonio_> Nightrose: summarize please :)
[12:42] <Tonio_> doesn't work when run as root ?
[12:42] <Nightrose> ksniffer needs to be started with kdesu, then it can´t sniff any packages
[12:42] <Nightrose> it works when being started as root
[12:42] <Tonio_> Nightrose: kdesudo and kdesu tested ?
[12:42] <Nightrose> jep
[12:42] <Tonio_> okay, interesting.... lemme have a look
[12:42] <Tonio_> env problem certainly
[12:42] <Nightrose> thx - where can I send you the mails to?
[12:43] <Tonio_> tonio@ubuntu.com :)
[12:43] <Tonio_> Nightrose: works when started as root with sudo right ?
[12:43] <Nightrose> k will send in a minute - the bug is at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksniffer/+bug/195827
[12:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195827 in ksniffer "[needs update] ksniffer needs update to version 0.3.2" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[12:43] <Tonio_> the difference is basically than sudo doesn't load root profile
[12:44] <Nightrose> I am not sure I tested that
[12:44] <Tonio_> sudo ksniffer will give the same result than sudo -s and then ksniffer
[12:44] <Tonio_> shouldn't work with sudo -i
[12:44] <Tonio_> lemme test
[12:45] <Tonio_> that's it...... strange issue indeed ;)
[12:45]  * Tonio_ investigating
[12:46] <Nightrose> Tonio_: thx - forwarded the mails
[12:46] <Tonio_> hum works even with sudo -i...... damned ;)
[12:49] <Tonio_> hum kdesu seems to be broken here......
[12:50] <Tonio_> Nightrose: can you try to please remove kdesudo and start kdesu ksniffer ?
[12:50] <Tonio_> Nightrose: probably my config if broken....
[12:51] <Nightrose> as is my virtual maschine ;-)
[12:51] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I need to know if the problem is kdesudo specific, but can't test
[12:51] <Nightrose> I really need to reinstall it
[12:51] <Tonio_> ah ;)
[12:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ^ can you test?
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: is original kdesu broken for you ?
[12:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: or you please ;)
[12:51] <Tonio_> apachelogger: just start ksniffer with original kdesu
[12:51] <Tonio_> "kdesu whatever" just freezes here
[12:52] <Tonio_> Nightrose: yeah it also breaks with kdesu
[12:52] <Tonio_> very strange issue....
[12:52] <Nightrose> indeed
[12:52] <Tonio_> apachelogger: no need to help, I got kdesu to work
[13:04] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I kno what the problem is
[13:04] <Tonio_> [sniff] - interface:
[13:04] <Tonio_> any
[13:04] <Nightrose> ohhh
[13:04] <Tonio_> this is what I get with sudo ksniff devs
[13:04] <Tonio_> [sniff] -
[13:04] <Tonio_> interface:
[13:04] <Tonio_> lo
[13:04] <Tonio_> and this with kdesu :)
[13:04] <Nightrose> oO
[13:05] <ryanakca> oooh, hug day today :)
[13:05] <smarter> Is it safe to upgrade to glibc 2.7-9ubuntu2 ?
[13:06] <Tonio_> HAHAHA
[13:06] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I think I know what is the problem
[13:06] <Tonio_> ;)
[13:06] <Tonio_> look at that :
[13:06] <Nightrose> ;-) shoot
[13:07] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.ca/940984
[13:07] <Tonio_> this is the normal ksniff output
[13:07] <Tonio_> and now with kdesu :
[13:07] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.ca/940986
[13:07] <Tonio_> guess what is wrong ;)
[13:09] <Nightrose> ohhhhhkay
[13:09] <Tonio_> parsing is incorrect due to bad endline
[13:10] <Nightrose> yea
[13:10] <Tonio_> now, I don't yet know the reason of this
[13:10] <Tonio_> but I'm sure there is the problem
[13:10] <Nightrose> thanks a lot
[13:10]  * _StefanS_ sniffs
[13:10] <Tonio_> Nightrose: it's not fixed yet, I still have to figure out where is the problem exactly, but that is a good start ;)
[13:11] <Nightrose> Tonio_: hehe yea - more than any of us found out so far :P
[13:11] <Tonio_> ^^
[13:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: didnt you get my qtcurve config ?
[13:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sorry I havent seen your repy
[13:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lemme look
[13:13] <Tonio_> Nightrose: wait....... no issue with kdesudo, so that's not the problem :/
[13:13] <Nightrose> narf
[13:13] <Nightrose> :(
[13:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope no mail
[13:13] <_StefanS_> err..
[13:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: my ubuntu.com address was broken for some days, not works again, please resend
[13:14] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[13:14] <_StefanS_> will send in a moment
[13:34] <Tonio_> Nightrose: fyi, kdesudo ksniff works as expected
[13:35] <Tonio_> the thing is that when I ctrl+c I don't get the process feedback
[13:35] <Tonio_> this process tell you how many packets where captured
[13:35] <Tonio_> there can be the difference
[13:35] <Tonio_> no output, no packets
[13:36] <Nightrose> hmm yea
[13:36] <Tonio_> that's a signal problem in the code
[13:36] <Tonio_> for some reason, doesn't work with kdesudo
[13:36] <Tonio_> probably a dcop issue or something
[13:36] <Tonio_> I have to look at the code
[13:37] <Nightrose> thx
[13:37] <Riddell> can anyone play dvds in kaffeine?
[13:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: no dvd to test :/
[13:40] <Tonio_> Nightrose: *** glibc detected *** ksniff: double free or corruption (top): 0x0805f748 ***
[13:40] <Tonio_> strace tells me there are problems when stopping ksniff
[13:40] <Nightrose> hmmm
[13:40] <Nightrose> not good
[13:40] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I suspect that as this a kprocess runnin in kprocess (with kdesudo or kdesu) it'll stop the second process immediatly
[13:41] <Tonio_> Nightrose: with simply sudo, you just have one kprocess, that will (apparently) continue
[13:41] <Tonio_> Nightrose: note that the issue happens also with sudo
[13:42] <Nightrose> I see
[13:43] <Tonio_> dunno exactly what the problem is but certainly de to bad ending of the process in a kprocess in another kprocess
[13:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: havent sent the mail yet; its on the other laptop
[13:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: would that make sense to you or not ?
[13:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki ;)
[13:44] <Tonio_> Nightrose: that's a shell application, it should be started as kshellprocess
[13:44] <Tonio_> Nightrose: patching is easy, I can test this one
[13:44] <Nightrose> perfect
[13:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: any opinion on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/164649 ?
[13:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164649 in amarok "Include amsn-now-listen script in package" [Undecided,New]
[13:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: mail is sent
[13:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: was that kde frontend for dpkg a sucess?
[13:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: very buggy
[13:53] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[13:53] <Tonio_> :)
[13:53] <_StefanS_> I guess thats 0.1 for you right there :)
[13:54] <_StefanS_> anyways.. did you get hte mail now?
[13:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you have anything on your todo list for me atm?
[13:56] <Tonio_> nope ;)
[13:56] <_StefanS_> alright
[13:56] <Tonio_> take care of you, that'll be enough :)
[13:56] <_StefanS_> hehe
[13:58] <_StefanS_> gotta run
[13:58] <_StefanS_> bbl
[14:15] <allee> Tonio: kipi-plugins 0.1.5 will be released soon, we have beta1.  0.1.5 final needs soon to be released libkdcraw 0.1.4 (BC break).  Lib transition: Digikam need to be patched and kphotoalbum just a rebuild.   Tested with a quick rebuild without pbuilder.  Is such a transition too late?
[14:18] <Riddell> allee: too late for beta, after beta maybe
[14:19] <allee> Riddell: okay.  So I try to prepare everything in my ppa.  So all that's necessary would be strip ~ppa1 and upload to archive
[14:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: mumble?
[14:44] <Nightrose> sure - give me 10 mins
[14:45] <apachelogger> yeah, I need to upgrade the version on my workstation anyway ;-)
[14:45] <Nightrose> hmm so do I probably
[14:45] <Nightrose> let's just just skype for now :P
[14:46] <apachelogger> nah, floss ftw :P
[14:46] <Riddell> what does ftw mean?
[14:47] <apachelogger> for the win
[14:50] <seele> apachelogger: do you play WoW?
[14:50] <apachelogger> seele: nope
[14:50] <apachelogger> considering you mean the game and not vista :P
[14:50] <seele> yes, the game
[14:51] <seele> ive only seen gamers use ftw before
[14:51]  * Nightrose uses it as well - got infected by apachelogger :P
[14:51] <Nightrose> <- not a gamer
[14:51] <apachelogger> seele: I used to be a kinda pro gamer
[14:52] <apachelogger> not in MMORPG though
[14:52] <Nightrose> oO scary shooters? *g*
[14:52] <apachelogger> ...and RTS
[14:52] <apachelogger> especiall CnC
[14:52] <Nightrose> ah
[14:55]  * ryanakca grumbles at not being able to build playground/games because of an unpackaged library :| ... unless the author made a typo and intended another library.
[14:56] <seele> apachelogger: QA/CS or newer school?
[14:57] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:57] <apachelogger> CS 1.4 ftw
[14:57] <apachelogger> ;-)
[14:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: where are you? I want to go hunting
[14:58] <Nightrose> another sec ;-)
[14:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: column resizing I think needs to be done after the items are in the listwidget
[14:59] <Riddell> there's an autoresize method
[14:59] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ready - rokymotion server?
[14:59] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:59] <apachelogger> AmarokMetting channel
[14:59] <apachelogger> Metting even
[14:59] <apachelogger> *Meeting
[14:59] <apachelogger> I have serious typo issues today
[15:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, I think bug 164649 should go down the drain
[15:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164649 in amarok "Include amsn-now-listen script in package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164649
[15:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I think this doesn´t work...
[15:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: and yes so do I
[15:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: if you can fine a better oxygen style icon to be used that would be good
[15:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: I'm not sure if translations work in it, but system-config-priter-kde has some code to do gettext translations during .ui file loading
[15:20] <nixternal> heh, everyone on my blog post is like either "dang to late" or they got lucky and didn't update last night
[15:20] <jussi01> nixternal: Im one of the second kind :D
[15:24] <nixternal> heh, I found one bad thing though running another alpha version of a distribution....there isn't any https built in to konqi for some reason and I can't get to the fix :)
[15:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok :)
[15:34] <\sh> nixternal: dude...are you using blackbox? reading oggs posts about it, and now I'm using it..but I have problems in gnome-terminal when using readline keystrokes like C-Left C-Right to jump wordwise
[15:35] <nixternal> blackbox or openbox?
[15:36] <\sh> nixternal: openbox ;)
[15:36] <\sh> sry
[15:37] <nixternal> ya, I have noticed keystrokes I am used to, even in KDE apps don't work either
[15:38] <\sh> nixternal: so I think it's a bug in openbox
[15:38] <nixternal> could be
[15:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: how does the hwinfo oxygen icon look? http://www.ruphy.org/gallery/index.php?cat=apps 3/4 of the way down
[15:46] <\sh> nixternal: if you see it with kde apps and I can see it with gnome apps...:)
[15:51] <Riddell> ryanakca: could do without the "i"
[15:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: maybe you can track down the .svg and remove that
[15:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok
[15:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: kdebase-runtime-4.0.1/pics/oxygen/scalable/apps/hwinfo.svgz
[16:00] <ryanakca> thanks ;)
[16:00] <jussi01> Does anyone know the command for removing the archive of packages that apt has downloaded onto your machine?
[16:01] <jussi01> hmmm, wrong channel, but anyway...
[16:01] <Nightrose> apt-get clean?
[16:02] <jussi01> yeah, I think thats the one, thanks Nightrose
[16:02] <jussi01> :)
[16:02] <Nightrose> yw
[16:03] <ScottK2> smarter: Pong
[16:06] <smarter> ScottK2: did you see my patch for eric crash?
[16:06] <ScottK2> smarter: I did not.  Where is it?
[16:07]  * ScottK2 just woke up - sick in bed with the flu (thank good ness for wireless)
[16:08] <smarter> ScottK2: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/eric_pyqt_4.3.3_hack.debdiff
[16:08] <ScottK2> smarter: Thanks.  Looking
[16:08] <nixternal> ScottK2: man, the flu is suckin' big time...get ya some oj, some theraflu, and just lay back for a while :)
[16:09] <smarter> ScottK2: and get well soon ;)
[16:09] <ScottK2> Yeah.  I've been mostly resting since Sunday night
[16:09] <nixternal> my daughter just got over the flu, she was out of school for an entire week
[16:10] <ScottK2> smarter: So the impact of this is that a list has to be manually expanded rather than done automatically, right?
[16:10] <smarter> yes
[16:10] <smarter> At least I think so, I never saw what it looked like when it worked
[16:10] <ScottK2> nixternal: It started here with the middle daughter last Friday (she's still out of school) and is spreading.
[16:10] <nixternal> ya, that totally sucks
[16:11] <ScottK2> smarter: Understand.  Thanks.  I got an FFe for eric 4.1.1 (it has the same problem), so I'll include this with my upload for that version.  How do you want to be credited in the changelog?
[16:12] <smarter> ScottK2: "[ Guillaume Martres ] /n * blabla"
[16:12] <ScottK2> Sure.
[16:13] <ScottK2> smarter: You want to grab 4.1.1 package from Debian and make a debdiff from that.  I'll add my changes on top of that.
[16:15] <smarter> ok
[16:26] <smarter> ScottK2: is there any "remaining ubuntu changes" for eric?
[16:27]  * nixternal does the "I HAVE KUBUNTU HARDY BACK BABY!" dance
[16:28] <smarter> libc6 is fixed?
[16:28] <jussi01> yes
[16:29] <jussi01> smarter: see the topic in #ubuntu+1 :)
[16:29] <smarter> great
[16:29]  * smarter launches sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[16:29] <jussi01> my upgrade is a bit broken atm though...
[16:30] <nixternal> this is heaven
[16:31] <jussi01> nixternal: lol
[16:31] <ScottK2> smarter: Yes.  Dropping python-xml as a recommends
[16:32] <ScottK2> smarter: Make sure your mirror is updated.
[16:32] <smarter> it is
[16:33] <ScottK2> K
[16:33] <ScottK2> smarter: I uploaded a revised eric 4.0.4 yesterday and that should be the only change left in it.
[16:34] <nixternal> why not just do a new upstream and say it is part of the kde4 ffe? :p
[16:34]  * nixternal runs whatever the latest version is
[16:34] <nixternal> 4.10 or 4.0.10 or whatever it is
[16:35] <ScottK2> 4.1.1
[16:35] <nixternal> 4.1.1
[16:35] <nixternal> ya
[16:36] <ScottK2> nixternal: I already got the UVFe for it.  I just needed smarter's help fixing a crasher on our toolchain.
[16:36] <nixternal> it is a lot less buggier than the 4.0.4 one with the warning stuff everytime you start it up and what not
[16:36] <nixternal> oh groovy
[16:43]  * ryanakca wonders how changing a few icons could cause jockey to refuse to run...
[16:44] <smarter> ScottK2: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/eric_pyqt_4.3.3_hack.debdiff
[16:44] <ScottK2> smarter: Looking
[16:44] <jussi01> can someone explain the difference between a full upgrade and a safe upgrade in adept?
[16:45] <mornfall> jussi01: Safe won't install or remove new packages.
[16:45] <mornfall> safe ~ apt-get upgrade, full ~ apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:46] <jussi01> mornfall: thank you :)
[16:47]  * jussi01 is home now and once his upgrade  goes through will test mornfall's adept 3 packages
[16:47] <smarter> aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade ;)
[16:47]  * jussi01 is still using apt-get
[16:56] <mornfall> smarter: wha?
[16:57] <mornfall> jussi01: Good.
[16:57]  * jussi01 cries, something is still broken
[16:58] <smarter> mornfall: safe upgrade and full upgrade are the same thing as aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade
[16:58] <mornfall> smarter: When did aptitude start using that terminology?
[16:58] <smarter> mornfall: recently
[16:59] <smarter> upgrade and dist-upgrade are still supported
[16:59] <smarter> but deprecated
[16:59] <mornfall> Interesting.
[17:00] <jpatrick> apachelogger: pong
[17:06] <apachelogger> jpatrick: please revu http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kopete-plugin-otr-kde4
[17:11] <jpatrick> apachelogger: any FFe exception bug?
[17:15] <apachelogger> jpatrick: sec
[17:16] <apachelogger> jpatrick: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/198354
[17:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198354 in ubuntu "[FFe] kopete-plugin-otr-kde4" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[17:17] <jpatrick> apachelogger: might be an idea to put: "* Feature freeze exception granted (LP #blah)" in changelog
[17:19] <apachelogger> aye
[17:19] <jpatrick> apachelogger: "Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:11:34 +0100" ;-)
[17:20] <apachelogger> jpatrick: ?
[17:20] <ScottK2> smarter: I've built eric 4.1.1 with your patch.  I'm unfortunately unable to test it (flat on my back with the flu and the hardy box is downstairs on the wired network).  How confident are you?
[17:21] <jpatrick> apachelogger: heute ist den 13
[17:21] <apachelogger> jpatrick: der 13 ... but the package was created earlier :P
[17:21] <apachelogger> actually 'der 13.'
[17:22] <jpatrick> apachelogger: der, das, die, dem, arrghh
[17:22] <apachelogger> :)
[17:24] <smarter> ScottK2: just checked, it doesn't build but original debian package doesn't build too
[17:24] <smarter> it can't find debian/eric/usr/share/eric/*.api
[17:24] <jpatrick> apachelogger: +1 from me
[17:24] <ScottK2> smarter: OK.  This is 4.1.1?  It built for me.
[17:24]  * jpatrick logs into revu
[17:25] <ScottK2> smarter: Let me put my copy where you can grab it.
[17:25] <smarter> ScottK2: hm  no, 4.0.1, looks like I downloaded the wrong version
[17:26] <smarter> no it's really 4.1.1
[17:26] <smarter> 4.1.1-1 even
[17:26] <smarter> strange
[17:27] <ScottK2> smarter: http://www.kitterman.com/test/
[17:27] <smarter> thanks
[17:29] <smarter> builds fine now
[17:29] <smarter> with your package
[17:29] <jussi01> hmmm, got a general question for you all, if you dont mind?
[17:30] <smarter> it was probably due to the fact that the patches were not executables
[17:30] <smarter> jussi01: go ahead
[17:31] <jpatrick> jussi01: punch it!
[17:31] <jussi01> Im looking for a remote server, at student prices :) just need a place for basic web hosting and screen +irssi plus maybe a few ther things. suggestions?
[17:31] <jussi01> other*
[17:34] <ScottK2> smarter: Would you please run it and see how it does for you?  If it's good, I'll upload.
[17:34] <smarter> ScottK2: I was going to do that
[17:34] <ScottK2> smarter: Great.  Thanks.
[17:40] <smarter> ScottK2: works fine
[17:41] <smarter> I tested with the first time wizard and using the menu to access the preferences
[17:41] <ryanakca> jussi01: umm... I could possibly give you an account on my server :)
[17:41] <ryanakca> except that you'd be at the mercy of my ISP's uptime :)
[17:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you please pass kopete-plugin-otr-kde4 through the hardy new queue?
[17:42] <jussi01> ryanakca: wow, that could work a charm. is your isp bad for uptime?
[17:43] <ryanakca> jussi01: eh, they've been replacing all the cables in town since last summer.
[17:43] <jussi01> ryanakca: aha, got you :)
[17:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: don't see it yet
[17:44] <ScottK2> smarter: Thanks.  Uploading.
[17:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hmm... I think I'm done *checks the email to make sure*
[17:47] <nixternal> Riddell: how familar are you with the font stuff in system settings?
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: should arrive in some minutes
[17:48] <nixternal> like, why does it create a ~/.fonts/ and a ~/.fonts.conf when you select icons in system settings and don't change a thing?
[17:48] <Riddell> nixternal: not much
[17:48] <ScottK2> smarter: Uploaded.  Thanks for the help.  I suspect we'd have released with a pretty broken eric package if not for you looking into it.
[17:48] <smarter> maybe pyqt 4.3.4 will come in time
[17:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: I only see one commit
[17:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: "Added oxygen style icons"
[17:49] <ScottK2> I doubt we'd upload it if it was out now, but it'd be up to Riddell.
[17:49] <nixternal> well, I just noticed that after you install Kubuntu, fonts look fine, but as soon as you go into the fonts config in system settings, it creates the fonts.conf file and has 'hintfull' in it, which after restarting your session, makes certain fonts look really ugly
[17:50]  * nixternal finds the bug report that someone filed on this and I said it wasn't a problem
[17:50] <nixternal> cuz it is
[17:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about http://paste.ubuntu.com/5659/ ?
[17:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: commiting
[17:51] <nixternal> who thought it would be funny to subscribe me to a microsoft mailing list?
[17:51] <ryanakca> lol
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: kopete also arrived meanwhile :) https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=kopete
[17:51] <jpatrick> nixternal: they have mls?
[17:52] <nixternal> I click the unsubscribe, and it takes me to a page wanting me to create a Windows Live account just so I can unsubscribe
[17:52] <smarter> haha
[17:52] <ryanakca> heh
[17:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: commited
[17:53]  * yuriy is amazed at the work Nightrose and apachelogger have done today but wishes there were more new names on there
[17:53] <Nightrose> yuriy: ;-) - skype session ftw
[17:53] <Nightrose> and teamwork ftw
[17:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't understand what's being proposed
[17:54] <yuriy> Riddell: adding x-content/ entries to desktop files so they'll show up in that dialog
[17:54] <jussi01> yuriy: in where? is there something for someone with kinda basic (but getting better) skills?
[17:54] <yuriy> bug 191475
[17:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191475 in rhythmbox "[hardy] media tab in file management preferences missing applications" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191475
[17:54] <Riddell> yuriy: in rhythmbox?
[17:55] <yuriy> Riddell: particularly amarok right now, possibly other applications
[17:56] <apachelogger> technically every app that also gets used in the KDE 3 autostart selection dialog
[17:56] <apachelogger> like when you put in an audio cd you will get amarok listed as possability for playback and stuff
[17:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/181289
[17:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181289 in amarok "Amarok Crashes Entire System" [Undecided,New]
[17:58] <nixternal> I think I know who signed me up for Microsoft.com newsletters! it was YOU! ->
[17:58] <nixternal> :p
[17:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/181204
[17:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181204 in amarok "amarokapp crashed with SIGSEGV in xine_get_pos_length()" [Undecided,Invalid]
[17:58] <jussi01> nixternal: yeah right.... we all know who the pointy clicky vista lover it :P
[17:58] <nixternal> shh
[17:58] <apachelogger> nixternal: I signed myself up for the RH newsletter years ago
[17:59] <apachelogger> today was the first time I saw such a thingy
[17:59] <yuriy> apachelogger: how does the kde autostart dialog do it?
[17:59] <nixternal> lol
[17:59] <Riddell> yuriy, apachelogger: fine with me, but beta freeze is any hour now
[17:59]  * nixternal tries to figure out where the font config stuff comes from in system settings
[18:00] <nixternal> gotta put an end to this creating of these files and directories when you don't even make a change
[18:00] <apachelogger> yuriy: I have no idea but probably worse than the gnome solution considering they need a new mimetype class and we don't ;-)
[18:01] <Riddell> nixternal: I imagine its trying to sync its settings to those used by fontconfig
[18:01] <Riddell> nixternal: it's probably a "apply settings to non-KDE apps" option
[18:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: kopete-otr accepted
[18:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, do you think we should add x-content stuff or not?
[18:01] <nixternal> hrmm
[18:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/149382
[18:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149382 in amarok "100% cpu usage" [Undecided,Invalid]
[18:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[18:01]  * apachelogger hugs Riddell
[18:04] <nixternal> debian/patches/05_ubuntu_add_hinting_and_antialiasing_confs.patch
[18:05] <nixternal> Riddell: you were right, it is fontconfig
[18:06] <nixternal> Full Hinting in Kubuntu looks nasty though
[18:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: do I need to create a package or will it have to wait 'till hardy+1 ?
[18:06] <nixternal> when viewing a website, and there is bold or italics at all, you can't notice it with hintfull
[18:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: jockey?
[18:07] <Riddell> we should upload it toot sweet
[18:07] <nixternal> and it only makes certain fonts look oogly, not all fonts
[18:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok. Do I use bzr-buildpackage or something of the sort? And I'm also guessing I need to merge the changes into jockey-kde-ubuntu (which appears to be the stable branch...)?
[18:08] <Nightrose> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/92967
[18:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92967 in amarok "album art inconsistently missing from OSD" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:09] <Riddell> ryanakca: I see you changed the icon and added resizeColumnToContents calls
[18:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes, and exandAll()
[18:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: I don't think we can just change the icon like that, the gnome side will want to keep their one
[18:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: ah, that affects them too?
[18:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes, it's all in the same package
[18:10] <Riddell> ryanakca: you'd need to add it (as "jockey-kde.png") rather and install that too (and change the .desktop file, also add setWindowIcon() in the code)
[18:11] <ryanakca> ok.
[18:11]  * ryanakca does that
[18:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: fixed
[18:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: wait... can I ignore the code in "build/scripts-2.5/jockey-kde", as long as it's fixed in kde/ ?
[18:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[18:25] <Riddell> that's just created when building the package
[18:25] <ryanakca> ok
[18:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: but you need to update ./kde/jockey-kde.desktop.in
[18:25] <Riddell> also remove the NotShowIn  line from there
[18:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: and add setWindowIcon() to the main dialogue
[18:27] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080313/KDE
[18:27]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose
[18:27]  * apachelogger hugs kubuntu
[18:27]  * apachelogger hugs amarok
[18:27]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[18:27] <Nightrose> \o/
[18:27] <Nightrose> we are done for today
[18:29] <yuriy> yay!
[18:29] <ryanakca> Nightrose: hurray :)
[18:29]  * Nightrose thinks we could beat nixternal this week for 5-a-day :P
[18:29] <Nightrose> *at
[18:30]  * yuriy hugs Nightrose apachelogger kubuntu amarok and also parthan and santiago-ve 
[18:30]  * jpatrick hugs apachelogger and Nightrose 
[18:30] <Nightrose> hehe thx
[18:30]  * Nightrose rehugs and gets a cup of tea
[18:31] <nixternal> ya, my current 5-a-days are tough ones...all relating to creating code fixes
[18:32]  * ScottK2 cheers code fixes
[18:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: commited
[18:36] <Riddell> ryanakca: one more thing..
[18:37] <Riddell> ryanakca: set the image label to the icon too
[18:37] <Riddell> ryanakca: "#self.ui.logo_image.setPixmap(icon)"
[18:38] <Riddell> ryanakca: so uncomment that and set   icon = QIcon(..)   somewhere above and use that one icon variable for setWindowIcon, tray icon and the logo_image label
[18:38] <ryanakca> ok, will do
[18:40] <Nightrose> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/139560
[18:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139560 in amarok "Audio stuttering with low sample rates" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... mind if I manually set the logo, since the 22x22 being stretched looks really fuzzy?
[18:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: just set an iconLarge = QIcon(..)
[18:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: keep just one if loop for the paths though
[18:58] <ryanakca> ok
[19:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: commited
[19:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: not sure if this will work
[19:02] <Riddell>             largeIcon = QPixmap('/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/'
[19:02] <Riddell>                                 'apps/jockey-kde.png')
[19:02] <Riddell> just put it on one line
[19:03] <Riddell> also you can remove the four lines below "self.mw.logo_image.setPixmap(largeIcon)"
[19:04] <Riddell> ryanakca: there's no 48x48 icon
[19:05] <ryanakca> Is now :)
[19:07] <seele> does alpha 6 still need testing or are we back to testing daily builds?
[19:13] <Riddell> seele: we're almost into testing for beta
[19:14] <seele> Riddell: ok.. so don't look at anything until that's out?
[19:16] <Riddell> seele: today's CDs are pretty broken, not much point in testing I think
[19:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: so, that looks great, let me see if I can work out how to merge it into the packaging branch
[19:20] <seele> Riddell: hah, ok.
[19:20] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok
[19:22] <mhb> that's good to hear
[19:24] <mhb> that somebody found the time to fix those jockey bugs
[19:24] <mhb> sorry that I haven't
[19:24] <_StefanS_> omg.. thats alot of updates...
[19:24] <Riddell> hug ryanakca
[19:24] <_StefanS_> 161 packages
[19:24]  * mhb hugs ryanakca and Riddell 
[19:28] <serega> what a cool wallpaper!
[19:28] <mhb> hope everything else is going well
[19:28] <_StefanS_> serega: the new one in hardy ?
[19:29] <serega> exciting
[19:29] <serega> _StefanS_: indeed
[19:29] <_StefanS_> glad to hear that :)
[19:29]  * ryanakca hugs mhb back :)
[19:29] <serega> _StefanS_: is it your work?)
[19:30] <mhb> ryanakca: sadly, I don't deserve your hug
[19:31] <mhb> ryanakca: I've been away for most of the last few weeks
[19:31] <mhb> ryanakca: school's tough
[19:31] <ryanakca> mhb: ouch :)
[19:32] <mhb> ryanakca: well, not so tough, but time-consuming ... I have virtually no free time
[19:32]  * ryanakca still has a few year to look forward to before that :)
[19:34] <mhb> ryanakca: well, it's not that bad - it's pretty fun, all the math and problem solving and algorithms...
[19:34] <ryanakca> oooh :)
[19:35] <mhb> ryanakca: I really enjoy it, the only downside is no time for anything else
[19:36]  * ryanakca grumbles, where am I supposed to find libkgllib to build playground/games
[19:37] <ryanakca> heh, nevermind. Whoever wrote that cmake error message might want to remove the first 'lib' in there
[19:38] <_StefanS_> serega: nope, its a wallpaper that kwii saw in a collection where i got alot of pictures of plants
[19:38] <_StefanS_> serega: nature photos
[19:39] <_StefanS_> serega: http://djmattricks.deviantart.com/
[19:39] <_StefanS_> serega: check out the vplants
[19:39] <serega> _StefanS_: it's really cool, event cooler than previous
[19:40] <serega> *even
[19:40] <_StefanS_> serega: yep, very glad you like it
[19:41] <_StefanS_> is anyone running 1920x1200 on nvidia quadro in here? I'm having amazingly slow 2d performance
[19:41] <_StefanS_> I just dont get it..
[19:42] <yuriy> serega, _StefanS_ i thought the previous wallpaper was cooler but w/e. there is actually a "bug" on the new wallpaper though
[19:42] <serega> yuriy: bug?
[19:42] <_StefanS_> eh..bug?
[19:42] <yuriy> bug 201886
[19:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201886 in kubuntu-default-settings "[KDE4] The background-picture of the login in Hardy produces moiré patterns" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201886
[19:42] <_StefanS_> that must be on an old crt then
[19:43] <_StefanS_> hmm
[19:43] <yuriy> invalid imho, but maybe the pattern is actually very irritating to some?
[19:43] <smarter_> "moiré"?
[19:43] <ryanakca> smarter_: beyond me :)
[19:43] <serega> smarter_: +1
[19:43] <_StefanS_> yuriy: like 99% percent of people,  cant they just change it?
[19:43] <_StefanS_> yuriy: default wallpaper never stays on for long imho
[19:44] <serega> huh... there is a wp link
[19:45] <serega> I see some radial intersecting dark curvers is it a distortion?
[19:45] <serega> on the left side
[19:47] <_StefanS_> serega, yuriy: I will contact the author to see if he can do anything about it
[19:47] <yuriy> well, i thought the effect was intentional, though i'm not entirely sure i know what the reporter is talking about
[19:48] <_StefanS_> donno either, but if the author says its supposed to be like that, well there's not much to do about it
[19:50] <serega> _StefanS_: heh, I knew it! :)
[19:53] <serega> maybe resolution will be legendary: "It is not a bug, it is a feature!" :-D
[19:53] <ryanakca> heh
[19:54] <_StefanS_> ok I just mailed him, lets see what he says
[20:13] <mhb> I hope you all know what day is it tomorrow!
[20:13] <Dekans> hello everyone
[20:14] <jpatrick> mhb: Friday?
[20:14] <mhb> jpatrick: that too
[20:14] <mhb> jpatrick: also the date is important
[20:15] <ryanakca> mhb: your birthday?
[20:15] <mhb> ryanakca: correct
[20:15] <jpatrick> :)
[20:15] <ryanakca> lol :P
[20:16] <mhb> ryanakca: I guess I'll come around and fix a bug in Kubuntu to celebrate
[20:17] <mhb> not really five-a-day ( I think doing five a day will create more invalids and won't fix), but still worth it :o)
[20:17] <Dekans> I have a bug for you :)
[20:17] <Dekans> with KDM on hardy
[20:17] <yuriy> if i understand bug 176683 correctly it should be fixed now right?
[20:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176683 in coccinella "Some strings require fixed order of variables: translation issue" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176683
[20:17] <yuriy> sorry bug 172683
[20:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172683 in gtkpod-aac "Rebuild for libmp4v2 API migration" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172683
[20:18] <yuriy> (against amarok as well)
[20:18] <ryanakca> mhb: :)
[20:21] <Dekans> Are you aware of a bug of KDM on hardy alpha 6 ?
[20:23] <mhb> Dekans: there's no software without bugs, so I say yes, but feel free to explain
[20:24] <TheInfinity> Dekans: not only one ;)
[20:24] <Dekans> When I log out from KDE, I get a black screen
[20:24] <Dekans> I don't see kdm
[20:24] <Dekans> at this black screen I cannot restart X
[20:25] <Dekans> the only way is to restart kdm via tty1
[20:25] <Dekans> or manual power off
[20:25] <Dekans> but when i'm logged, i can kill X and I come back to kdm
[20:27] <_StefanS_> Dekans: what video driver are you using ?
[20:28] <Nightrose> Dekans: sounds strangely familiar to what I am experiencing here
[20:28] <Artemis_Fowl> Dekans: happens to me, too
[20:30] <Dekans> nvidia-glx driver on amd64
[20:30] <Dekans> I tried kdm-kde4 last week and same issue
[20:30] <Dekans> gmd works fine
[20:30] <Dekans> gdm*
[20:30] <_StefanS_> Dekans: no idea
[20:31] <_StefanS_> Dekans: but I'm using the newest nvidia beta, and it works here
[20:31] <_StefanS_> Dekans: stable was ok too
[20:31] <_StefanS_> Dekans: 171.06
[20:31] <Dekans> mine is almost a legacy driver, so, no beta for me
[20:31] <_StefanS_> Dekans: is it an older geforce?
[20:32] <Dekans> 96.43
[20:32] <Dekans> yes geforce 4 GO mx
[20:32] <_StefanS_> oh my god.
[20:32] <_StefanS_> thats old
[20:32] <Dekans> i have nvidia-glx driver, not nvidia-glx-new
[20:32] <_StefanS_> well I think a new legacy driver was released recently also
[20:32] <Dekans> yes, old but still compiz-compliant :)
[20:33] <Dekans> (not not kdm compliant anymore :( )
[20:33] <_StefanS_> older is definitely not bad ;)
[20:34] <_StefanS_> $100 to the one that can solve my 2d performance issues on nvidia quadro
[20:34] <_StefanS_> :D
[20:34] <nixternal> _StefanS_: I use an NVidia GForce 4mx440 :)
[20:34] <nixternal> now that is old
[20:34] <nixternal> and a Radeon 9700 which is a tad bit newer
[20:34] <_StefanS_> stable cards nevertheless
[20:35] <nixternal> the GF 4 mx440 is about useless though
[20:35] <nixternal> actually, it runs on a headless box now, so I haven't played with any compositing on it in over a year
[20:35] <_StefanS_> yes for anything above 1024x768 I'm pretty sure
[20:35] <nixternal> and back then it was horrid
[20:35] <nixternal> KDE 4 w/composite on the Radeon with the free driver isn't to bad actually
[20:35] <_StefanS_> well, I will definitely go onboard intel on my next alptop
[20:35] <_StefanS_> +laptop
[20:35] <nixternal> disable vsync though otherwise you get nasty black horizontal lines
[20:36] <_StefanS_> heh
[20:36] <nixternal> I use Intel now, and it just works like a charm
[20:36] <_StefanS_> tweak the bastard.
[20:36] <_StefanS_> It really always does, and thats what I like.
[20:36] <_StefanS_> and I never use 3d anyways
[20:36] <Dekans> it seems that compiz performances are still better than kde4 compositing
[20:36] <Dekans> it's a Geforce4 mx point of view :)
[20:37] <nixternal> I have to admit, I fixed the libc6 issue on my laptop with a Ubuntu CD, and Gnome actually looked really good on it...now Ubuntu on my 1440x900 desktop display, its like not nice looking unlike KDE 4 which I love on that screen
[20:37] <_StefanS_> prisoner of war rather :D
[20:37] <nixternal> heck, Vista and OS X even look good on that screen
[20:39] <_StefanS_> nixternal: what annoys me is that I have a 4 year old laptop (t42) that runs with a god-awful mobility radeon 9600/64mb, and it does 2d faster than my nvidia quadro FX 570m/512mb
[20:39] <_StefanS_> thats ¤%"#¤¤¤ irritating.
[20:39] <nixternal> whoa, I wouldn't have expected that
[20:40] <_StefanS_> someone attributed it to some bugged powermanagement in the nvidia driver
[20:40] <_StefanS_> I have tried changing it, but I got 10% more performance (barely noticable)
[20:41] <_StefanS_> the opensource driver is 50% of what I'm seeing now.
[20:41] <_StefanS_> donno..
[20:45] <_StefanS_> nixternal: tried asking in #nvidia, maybe someone knows.
[20:55] <Dekans> Xorg update
[20:55] <Dekans> maybe I'm good with it \o/
[21:35] <Artimus> Is it intentional that the GTK SCIM pops up in Kubuntu Hardy?
[21:44] <deepwave> Anyone here involved with the Adept manager/Updater?
[21:50] <Artimus> deepwave: No, but I kind of want to rewrite it...
[21:50] <yuriy> Artimus: oh? did you check out adept-3 yet?
[21:51] <Artimus> yuriy: I hope you mean Adept4?
[21:51] <Artimus> (please tell me they didn't call the QT4 adept adept3)
[21:52] <Artimus> I'm still learning QT4.  I've been programming with it in school (an independent study in C++ with a teacher that hasn't seen programming since pascal)
[21:52] <Artimus> I should probably look through the new version of Adept.
[21:54] <deepwave> Hmm... I wanted to get involved with the Adept project.
[21:55] <Artimus> I've seen screenshots of the Mac OSX Updater...  I think it'd look nice.
[21:55] <deepwave> Get it nicely integrated with KDE4, that sort of stuff.
[21:55] <yuriy> Artimus: "they" (he) did.
[21:56] <yuriy> i thought you were discussing it with mornfall earlier, or was that a different person?
[21:56] <Artimus> I haven't had a conversation in this channel before
[21:56] <yuriy> Artimus: current one is version 2, so next one is version 3
[21:56] <Artimus> So it'd be someone else
[21:57] <Artimus> http://www.sfsu.edu/~housing/resnet/diy/diyimages/mac.osx2.software.update-4.GIF  <-- The changelog would go nicely in the box. Those are always nice to read.
[21:57] <deepwave> yuriy: Didn't talk with mornfall either.
[21:58] <Artimus> I hope Adept got rid of the "dropdown" update function.  Nice in theory, but I frequently get caught up in it.
[21:58] <deepwave> Artimus: I agree.  I always wonder what changes a particular update brings.
[21:59] <yuriy> Artimus: oh sorry I was thinking of Artemis_Fowl
[21:59] <Artimus> deepwave: The changelog function is there.   All one would have to do is parse the "latest" changelog.  There's no reason to display the entire package history (I think that's what adept does now)
[22:00] <Artimus> Adpet itself seems to have all of the functionality built in.  It just needs to be smarter about fetching the update list and the GUI needs to be revised.
[22:01] <deepwave> Also having synaptic's purge removed packages configuration files would be nice too.
[22:01] <Artimus> I use aptitude purge "~c"
[22:02] <yuriy> Artimus: if you're on hardy: https://launchpad.net/~mornfall/+archive
[22:03] <yuriy> it'll overwrite your current adept though
[22:03] <yuriy> and it is very much an alpha of course
[22:03] <yuriy> and deepwave too ^
[22:04] <deepwave> yuriy: Cool.
[22:04] <Artimus> yuriy: I don't use adept much anyway.  And yes, I'm hardy.  I got to skip the glibc screwup, though ^_^
[22:05] <Artimus> SCIM is going to die
[22:11] <Artimus> "adept_manager crashed"
[22:11] <Artimus> beautiful
[22:11] <deepwave> Artimus: Is that a bad thing?  About SCIM?
[22:12] <Artimus> #1:SCIM is a GTK app  #2: It's bound to Shift+Space, a key combo I hit a lot.  #3: If you close it, it comes back (they might have fixed this with a new package)  #4: It's only useful for languages I don't speak
[22:14] <deepwave> Oh.  I just map the Compose key in KDE to my right Windows key.  And thats all the internationalized input I need. :)
[22:15] <Artimus> I don't know why SCIM is even started.
[22:15] <Artimus> It should certainly not be a GTK app
[22:16] <Artimus> There's a way to disable it in GNOME but (as far as I can tell) not in KDE
[22:17] <deepwave> Artimus: Strange.
[22:17] <Artimus> I hate it...
[22:17] <Artimus> If I tell it to Quit, it should quit
[22:17] <Artimus> Heck, I can kill it's processes and it still respawns
[22:18] <Artimus> *its
[22:18] <deepwave> Its clearly a demon daemon.
[22:18] <Artimus> hah, I like that
[22:19] <yuriy> Artimus: uninstall it..
[22:19] <Artimus> yuriy: One of the meta packages depends on it
[22:20] <yuriy> Artimus: install skim, remove scim
[22:20] <Artimus> hmm...  Looks like it will let me
[22:20] <Artimus> Skim was already installed
[22:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think bug 36905 belongs into kdelibs
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 36905 in kdebase "KDE hyperlinks in do not work in a standard (non-kde) Ubuntu enviroment." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36905
[22:21] <apachelogger> and we should get this fixed for hardy ... i.e. make kde use xdg-open instead of looking for kfmclient
[22:23] <Artimus>   bad call
[22:23] <Artimus> yuriy: bad, bad call
[22:23] <yuriy> Artimus: oh?
[22:23] <Artimus> Yes. I just lost the ability to enter text
[22:23] <yuriy> uhoh
[22:23] <Artimus> An invisible window popped up on top of all text apps
[22:24] <Artimus> And I had an invisible icon in my system tray
[22:24] <yuriy> had? is it fixed?
[22:24] <Artimus> I dropped down to a terminal, reinstalled the packages and killed the scim processes (they respawned)
[22:24] <Artimus> Define fixed
[22:24] <Artimus> I can enter text, but the ugly GTK thing is still around
[22:24] <yuriy> ah, i see
[22:24] <yuriy> sorry, :( worked for me as far as i can remember
[22:25] <Artimus> I'll try it again when I'm not running programs
[22:25] <Artimus> I need to wait for some updates anyway
[22:25] <Artimus> My mirror is a bit behind right now
[22:25] <Artimus> It's missing packages
[22:25] <Artimus> (404 errors)
[22:58] <Nightrose> yuriy: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/03/14/hug-the-bugs-2/ ;-) - thx for your blog
[22:58] <arcticpenguin380> does kde 4 hardy have the random ram locations?