[00:07] <kiko> mpt, we did a #canonical brainstorm
[00:15] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i now remember that i was going to write another script for launchpad.
[00:16] <Hobbsee> after last release.
[00:16] <Hobbsee> pity i never actually did it
[00:27] <kiko> mpt, were you going to give me feedback?
[00:27] <kiko> mpt, also, should I say something about how to disable your own project?
[00:38] <mpt> kiko, why would you be interested in disabling a project on the *project registration page*?
[00:38] <kiko> mpt, yeah, never mind my nonsense questions. :)
[00:39] <mpt> kiko, I was going to have a go at condensing the text
[00:39] <kiko> mpt, if you take off my friendly edge I will have a hissy fit!!
[00:39] <mpt> If it's short, I think it won't be necessary to put it on a separate page
[00:40] <kiko> mpt, I'm pretty sure it's not going to go on the same page as the form.
[00:45] <mpt> Launchpad has too many pages already
[00:45] <kiko> mpt, I'm not going to mess with projects/+new, seriously
[00:45] <kiko> if you want to help, help me improve the text on that page
[00:48] <jamesh> kiko: if a user disables a project they own, what happens to my branches that were categorised under that project?
[00:49] <kiko> jamesh, they disappear too.
[00:49] <jamesh> so I lose my code?
[00:49] <kiko> jamesh, I think we should forbid projects from being disabled if they hold branches, tbh
[00:49] <kiko> we could have a way of flagging a project as abandoned -- there's a bug filed
[06:13] <kgoetz> hi all. is there somewhere to look for a description of using tags? or would it be project specific (and i'll have to go look in ubuntus docs)
[06:25] <kgoetz> i found some pages in ubuntu's wiki, so i'll assume its per project
[06:27] <Odd_Bloke> kgoetz: Yeah, tags mean whatever a product wants them to mean. :)
[06:27] <kgoetz> :)
[08:06] <carlos_> morning
[10:38] <kiko> Fujitsu, thanks. doh! :)
[10:39] <Fujitsu> kiko: What'd I do?
[10:39] <kiko> Fujitsu, point out to me that cprov's bug was a dupe ;)
[10:40] <Fujitsu> kiko: Ah, I like to keep things tidy :)
[10:50] <kiko> Fujitsu, you do indeed! so when does uni start?
[10:50] <Fujitsu> Does bug #157342 want a Soyuz task reopened, then, or is Gavin's task the same thing?
[10:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157342 in launchpad "PPA-created SourcePackageNames appear to exist in Ubuntu too" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157342 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap)
[10:50] <Fujitsu> kiko: Last week.
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #201547 in soyuz "Source package web pages should not traverse to never-published sources (dup-of: 157342)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201547
[11:01] <Hobbsee> thumper: cue my whinging, as requested.
[11:02] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Haha.
[11:02] <Hobbsee> thumper: or was i meant to check staging, not edge/
[11:03] <kiko> Fujitsu, it's the soyuz task on that bug, right
[11:03] <Hobbsee> dead on staging too.
[11:03] <Fujitsu> kiko: Which is Invalid.
[11:03] <Fujitsu> Or was a few minutes ago.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> so, cue the whinging.
[11:03] <kiko> fixed :)
[11:03] <Fujitsu> Danke.
[11:04]  * Hobbsee wonders why one has to go thru a queue to get onto the mailing list beta team, then another one to actually get a mailing list
[11:04] <Hobbsee> is there 8any8 team that is on that team, taht 8doesn't8 want a mailing list/
[11:05] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: X restart time. Yay!
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yep. once i read the interesting bits of backscroll
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i'm surprised - i havent' seen this in a while - like, a week.
[11:05] <Fujitsu> I saw it this morning for the first time in a while :(
[11:05]  * Hobbsee wonders if it was the compiz update or something.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> iirc that's what i last updated
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #201749 in rosetta "Impossible to mark as needing review strings already transalted or with suggestions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201749
[11:07] <Hobbsee> hrm.
[11:08] <Hobbsee> now, how do i delete a whole bunch of emails, with no shift key/
[11:09] <Fujitsu> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace :P
[11:09] <kiko> auto-repeat, I guess
[11:16] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: doesn't work.  idiot.
[11:16] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you 8really8 ought to know that.
[11:16] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you only had the bug this morning...
[11:16] <Hobbsee> ;0
[11:16] <Fujitsu> I have DontZap anyway.
[11:17] <Hobbsee> don'tzap/
[11:17]  * Hobbsee doesn't know what that is
[11:19]  * Hobbsee finally goes off to restart x.
[11:21] <Hobbsee> !!!
[11:21] <Hobbsee> there we are.  all is good
[11:23] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a very bad thing.
[13:21] <ubotu> New bug: #201782 in malone "Forward Bugs Upstream to an Email Address: Record "email sent"" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201782
[13:21] <ubotu> New bug: #201783 in malone "Forward Bugs Upstream to an Email Address: Allow project owners to specify that a product uses an Email Address bug tracker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201783
[13:33] <Fujitsu> cprov: Anyway, now that that's fixed...
[13:33] <Fujitsu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5654/
[13:34] <Fujitsu> I presume that the give-back didn't clear the build log, nor the finishing time, when it should have?
[13:36] <cprov> Fujitsu: let me check
[13:37] <cprov> Fujitsu: it seems to me that someone has aborted your job manually
[13:38] <Fujitsu> cprov: They may well have, given the circumstances.
[13:50] <ubotu> New bug: #201792 in malone "Forward Bugs Upstream to an Email Address: Only allow bug contact to forward upstream" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201792
[13:55] <ubotu> New bug: #201793 in malone "Forward Bugs Upstream to an Email Address: Prefilled email" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201793
[15:55] <sistpoty|work> hi, lp just sent me a mail stating that a member wants to join a team, however with a mail pointing to edge. should I report a bug?
[15:58] <pochu> hi there. I've just got a nice spam message from bug 200676, could somebody please look at it? thanks
[15:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200676 in gnome-system-tools "Swatch Internet Time" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200676
[16:12] <cody-somerville> When building a package in a PPA, will it look for build-depends in the PPA first?
[16:17] <kiko> cody-somerville, yes.
[16:23] <cody-somerville> The problem with the chroot where it fails to download the Packages.gz from my PPA is a known issue, right?
[16:23] <bigjools> it means it's not published your new archive yet
[16:24] <cody-somerville> I activated my PPA eons ago.
[16:24] <bigjools> hmm
[16:25] <cody-somerville> bigjools, This is my first upload though
[16:25] <soren> cody-somerville: The first time you build something for a given distribution in your ppa, it'll probably fail.
[16:25]  * cody-somerville nods.
[16:25] <bigjools> ah ok
[16:25] <cody-somerville> Thats what I thought
[16:25] <soren> cody-somerville: YEah. Find the build record, click retry build, and you're all set.
[16:25] <bigjools> what he said
[16:26] <soren> cody-somerville: Yes, there's a bug open about it.
[16:26] <soren> :)
[16:26] <adnarim> hi
[16:27] <adnarim> I have a short question: Is it possible to stop a service while installing a package? So I'm packaging an app and if this app is installed it needs to stop another service. 
[16:28] <adnarim> Can I execute /etc/init.d/whatever stop within the postinst-scripts?
[16:28] <adnarim> I tried it but it seems not work...
[16:28] <pochu> kiko: got a sec to look at this spam? It even has an image o.O https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/200676/comments/4
[16:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200676 in gnome-system-tools "Swatch Internet Time" [Wishlist,Invalid] 
[16:30] <ubotu> New bug: #201853 in launchpad-bazaar "OOPS recorded executing remote command" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201853
[16:38] <kiko> pochu, gross. :-(
[16:39] <kiko> pochu, I'm chatting with herb to get it cleaned up. thanks.
[16:40] <pochu> kiko: thanks for looking into it
[16:40] <pochu> I'll let you know if I see it again
[16:40] <ubotu> New bug: #201856 in launchpad-bazaar "OOPS recorded ssh'ing into bazaar.launchpad.net" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201856
[16:43] <cody-somerville> :/
[16:45] <cody-somerville> My build failed because it couldn't find the package haddock but I see it exists just fine
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #201874 in malone "Need ability to apply tag to a collection of bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201874
[18:01] <kiko> ### launchpad meeting in #launchpad-meeting ###
[18:01] <kiko> be there or be^2
[18:41] <ubotu> New bug: #201892 in meta-lp-deps "New dependency `devscripts`" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201892
[18:55] <kiko> kiko@anthem:~$ HEAD http://feeds.launchpad.net/~matthew.revell/latest-bugs.atom
[18:55] <kiko> 200 OK
[18:55] <kiko> Cache-Control: max-age=3600
[18:55] <kiko> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:55:34 GMT
[18:55] <kiko> Via: 1.0 arsenic.canonical.com:3128 (squid/2.6.STABLE16), 1.0 feeds.launchpad.net, 1.0 cache.async.com.br:3128 (squid/2.6.STABLE14)
[18:56] <kiko> neat
[18:56]  * kiko high-5s herb
[19:07] <cody-somerville> kiko, Can you create the xubuntu-devel team for me please?
[19:07] <cody-somerville> kiko, It is currently locked due to an upload.
[19:29] <TomaszD> carlos, hey, could you check jockey for template correctness, etc? https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/jockey/+pots/jockey/pl/+translate
[19:30] <TomaszD> I have a feeling I've asked about that before, but it's still not using any translations
[19:30] <Rinchen> next mtg date
[19:32] <ubotu> New bug: #201918 in rosetta ""Overview for <language> translation" page isn't useful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201918
[19:44] <kiko> cody-somerville, sorry, can you clarify?
[19:58] <dgdfgd> are requests for kubuntu is reality free ?
[20:00] <spiv> dgdfgd: yes, Canonical will send you Kubuntu CDs for free.
[20:01] <dgdfgd> yeah ;]
[20:03] <carlos> TomaszD: you told me about the jokey vs jockey problem, I did the fix, but you will need to wait until Sunday - Monday to see the fix rolled out as a new language pack
[20:04] <TomaszD> carlos, ok cool :]
[20:07] <Ubulette> how come the 1st email has not been parsed in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 ? 
[20:08] <cody-somerville> kiko, The team was auto-created because of an upload
[20:08] <kiko> cody-somerville, okay so far. what would you like me to do? :)
[20:08] <cody-somerville> kiko, Could you create/activate the team?
[20:08] <kiko> cody-somerville, you can: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Exubuntu-devel/+claimteam
[20:09] <cody-somerville> kiko, I've tried that.
[20:09] <kiko> and?
[20:09] <cody-somerville> kiko, And I was unable to create the team myself :)
[20:10] <kiko> why not?
[20:10] <cody-somerville> kiko, The e-mail never arrived. I imagine it got caught up in the filter since whatever e-mail it was sent from is not a member of the xubuntu-devel mailing list
[20:11] <Ubulette> same here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[20:12] <kiko> cody-somerville, I can't really help you unless you can receive email at that address
[20:12] <kiko> cody-somerville, xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com is where we're emailing
[20:12] <kiko> cody-somerville, check with the mailing list admins?
[20:12] <cody-somerville> kiko, https://edge.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members
[20:13] <cody-somerville> kiko, The ml admin is no longer involved in Xubuntu
[20:13] <kiko> let's fix that!
[20:13] <cody-somerville> :)
[20:14] <kiko> cody-somerville, who's the admin for that list?
[20:15] <kiko> mrpouit at gmail.com, knightlust at ubuntu.com
[20:16] <kiko> so they are both MIA, cody-somerville?
[20:16] <cody-somerville> kiko, I dunno who knightlust@ubuntu.com is
[20:17] <cody-somerville> mrpouit said he is no longer involved in Xubuntu because of political disputes
[20:17] <cody-somerville> However, I'm hoping he'll return at a later date
[20:19] <kiko> cody-somerville, https://edge.launchpad.net/~knightlust
[20:19] <cody-somerville> kiko, I have no idea who that is
[20:25] <kiko> cody-somerville, so, nobody administers that list? gar
[20:25] <kiko> cody-somerville, do you want to?
[20:25] <cody-somerville> kiko, Alright.
[20:25] <kiko> cody-somerville, let me file an RT
[20:26] <kiko> cody-somerville, remind me of your email address?
[20:26] <cody-somerville> cody-somerville@ubuntu.com
[20:26] <cody-somerville> :)
[20:28] <kiko> cody-somerville, hang on. can you ask on #canonical-sysadmin first?
[20:28] <cody-somerville> Sure
[20:32] <kiko> cody-somerville, and if you can't get it fixed there, just email rt@ubuntu.com
[20:32] <cody-somerville> kiko, They asked me to mail rt
[20:32] <kiko> cool
[20:33] <kiko> cody-somerville, once that's done, we can either enable that team, or merge it with ~xubuntu-team -- you decide
[20:33] <cody-somerville> kiko, Well, if you see my message to ubuntu-devel
[20:33] <cody-somerville> I was thinking of creating the new team to avoid bug mail for core-devs
[20:35] <kiko> cody-somerville, well, package maintainership doesn't actually cause you to receive bugmail.
[20:35] <cody-somerville> kiko, We have subscribed xubuntu-team to several packages
[20:37] <kiko> cody-somerville, ah, and you don't want that bugmail to go to xubuntu-devel
[20:37] <kiko> gotcha.
[20:37] <cody-somerville> Right
[20:37] <cody-somerville> Because I plan to make ubuntu-core-dev a member
[20:37] <cody-somerville> so that we can have the seeds for Xubuntu owned by that team
[20:37] <cody-somerville> and still allow the core-devs access
[20:38] <cody-somerville> And naturally they don't all want xubuntu bugmail :)
[20:48] <kiko> cody-somerville, gotcha. well, as soon as your RT ticket is sorted ping me (or ask a Question) and I'll help you out
[20:48] <cody-somerville> kiko, thanks
[21:15] <LaserJock> anybody have any experience with Qt project translations?
[21:16] <LaserJock> I've got an upstream that has .ts files and would like to use Launchpad for translations
[21:24] <kiko> LaserJock, wow, .ts. can you convert those to gettext?
[21:24] <LaserJock> I think so
[21:24] <LaserJock> just found translation-toolkit in the repos
[21:25] <LaserJock> going to try that out
[21:25] <LaserJock> translate-toolkit rather
[21:27] <LaserJock> ok, so I can make a .po out of it
[21:27] <LaserJock> how do I go from a .po to a .pot?
[21:28] <kiko> LaserJock, there are gettext tools, I'm sure
[21:33] <mdke> carlos: re our email exchange, would it be easier for me to upload the po files via the rosetta interface? that should perform a merge, right?
[21:33] <mdke> carlos: is it possible for me to get permissions for that?
[21:34] <mdke> LaserJock: I wonder if you can just rename em... I thought they are the same formal... maybe do a search for some basic info on the web
[21:34] <mdke> format*
[21:34] <carlos> mdke: we found a bug that would make that upload useless
[21:35] <carlos> mdke: so I need a fix rolled out first
[21:35] <LaserJock> mdke: hmm, that might work yeah
[21:35] <mdke> carlos: ah, ok.
[21:35] <mdke> LaserJock: carlos will know :)
[21:35] <LaserJock> carlos: can a project just rename a .po to .pot and upload that to Rosetta?
[21:35] <carlos> LaserJock: a .pot file is a .po file without translations
[21:35] <LaserJock> right
[21:36] <LaserJock> but will it choke if there's translations there?
[21:36] <LaserJock> or should I strip them out
[21:36] <carlos> hmm, I think it may work, but don't expect to work always, given that is not a documented or planned feature...
[21:37] <mdke> you can just delete the translations in something like poedit
[21:38] <mdke> (I think)
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #201953 in launchpad "csv export of the project group +milestone page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201953
[21:41] <TomaszD> carlos, could you check https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/upstart/+imports ? :]
[21:43] <carlos> TomaszD: what do you want me to check?
[21:43] <carlos> there are two files that failed to be imported
[21:44] <carlos> usually, because the translation was already imported
[21:44] <TomaszD> carlos, yes but rosetta shows the bar as "Newly translated in Launchpad "
[21:44] <TomaszD> when last edited time is 2007-08-12
[21:45] <TomaszD> the bar should be green if the translation was uploaded successfully yes? 
[21:45] <TomaszD> as it indicates "Translation unchanged since last synchronized "
[21:45] <TomaszD> so apparently it hasn't been synchronized since it was made
[21:45] <carlos> TomaszD: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/200499
[21:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200499 in rosetta "Imported translation from upstream not correctly importing all strings" [Critical,In progress]  - Assigned to Carlos Perelló Marín (carlos)
[21:46] <TomaszD> oh damn firefox got broken 
[21:48] <mdke> carlos: since you're here. I'm asking for an upload of gnome-user-docs and I would like the Ubuntu hardy package to be translateable through rosetta. currently they are blocked, can you unblock them so the pot/po files in the next upload get added?
[21:48] <carlos> mdke: are you going to handle manual package updates?
[21:48] <mdke> carlos: yes
[21:49] <carlos> ok
[21:49] <mdke> carlos: the idea is to enable translation quite late like this, so all the upstream translation gets used
[21:49] <carlos> both templates?
[21:49] <mdke> but there is one quite important ubuntu-specific string
[21:49] <carlos> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/gnome-user-docs/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot
[21:50] <mdke> carlos: yes please, although probably there should be a third template too?
[21:50] <mdke> I think the pot files are created at build time
[21:51] <carlos> mdke: not right now
[21:51] <carlos> I can only see two
[21:51] <mdke> i'll try and build and see
[21:51] <mdke> anyway, those are the two important ones
[21:52] <carlos> mdke: I just unblock those, but please, ping me once the right package is uploaded so we can approve them
[21:52] <mdke> carlos: will do
[21:52] <mdke> should be tomorrow, dholbach is a machine with that stuff
[21:53] <carlos> mdke: I will not be around next week, so ask danilo or jtv to do it if it's not ready tomorrow
[21:53] <mdke> sure thing, thanks for the help
[21:53] <carlos> np
[21:53] <carlos> time to sleep...
[21:53] <carlos> good night!
[21:53] <mdke> good plan
[21:54] <carlos> ;-)
[22:00] <ubotu> New bug: #201963 in launchpad "OpenID identity URL should be shown privately on a users person page" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201963
[23:46] <ubotu> New bug: #201991 in launchpad "Page with stable URL that shows what I have to do for this milestone" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201991
[23:46] <ubotu> New bug: #201992 in launchpad "Ubuntu release manager lacks access to freeze the archive" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201992
[23:56] <ubotu> New bug: #201998 in launchpad-bazaar "Typo in merge request review page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201998