[00:08] <mooboo1> did the window shadows disappear with the update today?
[00:09] <virtuald> Pici: thx, exactly what i was looking for, cept i cant find the package. :-p
[00:10] <Nilbus> I'm considering buying a macbook pro to put ubuntu on it.  Anyone have hardware issues with the 4th gen macbook pros?
[00:10] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> when i boot the rt kernel, usb doesnt work
[00:10] <savvas> Bug #201643 any idea what causes this?
[00:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> give some thing like "usb(2-4) is not accepting address 2"
[00:11] <savvas> [Hardy]TuTUXG: http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/201643
[00:11] <savvas> i think it's something similar
[00:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> bug 201643
[00:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ..
[00:12] <savvas> i just gave you the link dude
[00:12] <savvas> usb flash disk problems - device descriptor read/64, error -32
[00:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, with the generic kernel everything is fine tho
[00:12] <savvas> well.. ok
[00:12] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, i know im just lazy ;P
[00:12] <savvas> :P
[00:13] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, where do you live
[00:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, Canada
[00:13] <jester7> is it normal during the first set of updates on hardy for it to kill x terminal?
[00:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, sup
[00:13] <savvas> Pici: there are more bans to ubotu, %*!*@ubuntu/bot/ubotu
[00:14] <Pici> savvas: I see
[00:14] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, sup?what mean,your name is tian chen?looks like a chinese one
[00:14] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> does the latest xcb fix the java bug?
[00:14] <Pici> !test
[00:14] <ubotu> Failed.
[00:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, sup = wats up and yes im chinese but i m in Canada ;P
[00:15] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, great,i am in china now
[00:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, really? ur Chinese too?
[00:15] <icesword> yeah:)
[00:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, cool
[00:16] <savvas> konichi wa
[00:16] <savvas> ;p
[00:16] <icesword> hmm
[00:16] <savvas> no wait that's japanese
[00:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, that's jap
[00:16] <savvas> hey, i know 5 languages, spare me the criticism :P
[00:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, that's nice
[00:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i only know 2, and not good at neither of them ;P
[00:17] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, so you go to college there?
[00:17] <savvas> but i'm really fond of the chinese, so many symbols for a vocabulary..
[00:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, yes, u of calgary
[00:17] <icesword> calgary ?i don't know this place
[00:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, ya, not very convenient
[00:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, well the creator of java is from our school XD
[00:18] <icesword> ohhh,cool
[00:18] <rsk> java.. yuck
[00:18] <rsk> hope there's a school shooting
[00:18] <icesword> http://www.ucalgary.ca/
[00:18] <rsk> 8|
[00:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> but im not good at java neither..
[00:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, ya, probly not
[00:19] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG, what is your major
[00:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i thought school shooting only happen in the states, lol
[00:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, computer science
[00:19] <rsk> it happends in finland too
[00:19] <icesword> hmm
[00:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, dont hate java, google picks it
[00:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> rsk, unless u hate google too..
[00:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[00:20] <rsk> i dont care who eats poop =)
[00:20] <rsk> i won't eat it, and that's good enough for me
[00:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sure, gfu
[00:21] <jester7> sound i EXTREMELY low in hardy....known bugs?
[00:21] <rsk> goo funds ukrain?
[00:21] <rsk> google*
[00:21] <Dr_Willis> jester7,  ive heard of others that have had similer issues in here.
[00:21] <jester7> ok
[00:23] <mooboo1> did the window shadows disappear with the update today?
[00:24] <shirish> guys what is the command to see open ports
[00:24] <Dr_Willis> mooboo1,  you are the 2nd person thats asked about that. :) i havent noticed..
[00:24] <shirish> something sudo netcat (some flag or something)
[00:25] <mooboo1> Dr_Willis, oh
[00:25] <mooboo1> Dr_Willis, you still have your shadows?
[00:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> is java fixed? the xcb_xlib_unlock problem seems got fixed by the latest libxcb update
[00:26] <virtuald> shirish: netstat
[00:26] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> bug 87947
[00:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87947 in libxcb "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87947
[00:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, there?
[00:27] <virtuald> shirish: netstat -l ... to be more precise
[00:27] <savvas> what's that?
[00:27] <icesword> [Hardy]TuTUXG,how to block ping ?
[00:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, turn on firewall?
[00:28] <icesword> hmm,i haven't got a firewall.don't know how to write rules
[00:28] <mooboo1> icesword, "sudo ufw enable", "sudo ufw default deny", then edit /etc/ufw/somefile
[00:29] <shirish> icesword: in fact with ufw it becomes very easy, it has a nice manual & one can lookup ufw usage via google as well.
[00:29] <Dr_Willis> mooboo1,  im using kde, and i never noticed them being on or off. :)  i also dont use compiz
[00:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> savvas, the libxcb lock that breaks java got fixed? just asking...
[00:29] <mooboo1> Dr_Willis, oh well that explain things :)
[00:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, we got built-in firewall
[00:30] <Dr_Willis> iptables - is used to make the rules
[00:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, listen to mooboo ;P
[00:30] <icesword> hmm,yes,i am on win now:(
[00:30] <Dr_Willis>  :) or some other front ends  to build  the rulesets
[00:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> icesword, dont know about win...
[00:31] <icesword> windows
[00:31] <Dr_Willis> !ohmy
[00:31] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[00:31] <Dr_Willis> :)
[00:31] <ethana2> heh
[00:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ...
[00:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[00:32] <ethana2> !cthulu
[00:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cthulu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> anyone on rt kernel?
[00:34] <icesword> Dr_Willis, what,i done nothing?
[00:34] <mooboo1> nope
[00:35] <Dr_Willis> icesword,  :)  windows = dirty word. heh heh..
[00:35] <mooboo1> icesword, we don't use the W-word here
[00:35] <mooboo1> lol
[00:35] <mooboo1> </Ned Flanders voice>
[00:36] <icesword> lolloloololollolol
[00:36] <mooboo1> icesword, you did "sudo ufw enable", "sudo ufw default deny" ?
[00:36] <Dr_Willis> Ok-doakaly!
[00:36] <mooboo1> then firewall is on and it blocks all ports
[00:37] <icesword> k
[00:38] <mooboo1> icesword: https://answers.launchpad.net/ufw/+question/26585
[00:38] <icesword> ok,thx
[00:38] <mooboo1> :)
[00:45] <oxigen> when i reboot it also start some evolution server, but i don't use evolution, how can i disable this server at startup?
[00:46] <oxigen> i mean, i dont mind if some server just quietly lurk there, but this one eat cpu too much!
[00:47] <atlef> system administration services
[00:48] <kristjan_> there is alpha6 kde4-cd available?
[00:48] <TheArthur> what programs asks me for the LUKS passwork when i plug in an encrypted flash-disc?
[00:50] <oxigen> atlef: hmm, thanks, but there i don't see any evolution server..
[00:51] <atlef> what about session under preferences
[00:51] <oxigen> atlef, this, looks more promising indeed!
[00:55] <Dr_Willis> Woo Hoo Alien arena2008 has been released. :)
[00:58] <dashua> Anyone have success installing a BroadComm Dell Wireless 1505 n card in Hardy?
[00:59] <frank23> Does anyone here use the ath5k driver (fully open source madwifi replacement)?
[00:59] <ethana2> Dr_Willis: alien arena code license?
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> Not sure. :)   it was on the Linux Game tome site.. but that dont mean its GPL.
[01:00] <burne1> fully open madwifi eh?  does it work with the eee pc?
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> http://red.planetarena.org/
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> COR Entertainment, LLC announces the release of Alien Arena 2008, a freeware, opensourced FPS
[01:01] <ethana2> tremulous 1.2?
[01:01] <ethana2> *sigh*
[01:01] <frank23> burne1: only a few devices are reported to work right now. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k  It happens that I have one of them ;-)
[01:01]  * burne1 is partial to nexuiz
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> termulous makes me dizzy :)
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> 'world of padman' is amuseing.. for a while.
[01:02] <ethana2> wallwalking is best done with  a gamepad
[01:02] <burne1> ever play teewars?  i like it too
[01:02] <Dr_Willis> havent heard of teewars
[01:04]  * Dr_Willis downloads teewars
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:04] <Dr_Willis> 3.8mb - gotta love it
[01:05] <burne1> getdeb? :)
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> i just grabbed it from the teewars homepage.
[01:06] <burne1> it's multiplayer online... pretty sweet
[01:06] <burne1> aww, i got the .deb from getdeb
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> heh - it dosent even need to be installed to play from the arcvhive. :)
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> ok thats an amuseing game..
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I dident have sound! egads!
[01:10] <Dr_Willis> that would be a amuzeing game to put on everyones machines at work.
[01:15] <TheArthur> im bugzilla how do i mark a bug as affecting hardy as well as feisty (for which it was opened)
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen a few of those bugs also.  affecting more then  1 release. they get marked as 'dupes'
[01:22] <mooboo1> i tried create a 'guest' account, but required password
[01:22] <mooboo1> i dont want it have password
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> so just set a blank one
[01:48] <pwnguin> anyone else have a problem with the power button and logout menu?
[01:52] <virtuald> anyone know anything about HAL? I'm trying to add an FDI file for my input device, but it doesn't seem to have any effect
[01:52] <vlowther> having a user that allows anyone to log in with no password makes the baby Jesus cry.
[02:04] <LeerokTheLacerta> The only thing I have to complain about is that Ubuntu doesn't run well on computers with 350Mhz and 64MB of RAM.
[02:04] <LeerokTheLacerta> Oh well.
[02:38] <gew> i get the **glibc detected** free()invalid error
[02:38] <gew> i am afraid to reboot
[02:38] <gew> :)
[02:39] <gew> also i cant start terminal
[02:40] <Jordan_U> How is audacity going to be dealt with with pulseaudio as default?
[02:51] <DanaG> Hmm, today I was trying to work on a presentation in Impress, and the Slideshow view kept crashing once I let a slide finish transitioning.
[02:51] <Jordan_U> How is audacity going to be dealt with with pulseaudio as default?
[02:51] <DanaG> Badly?  (bad joke.)
[02:52] <Jordan_U> Seriously though, people are going to wonder why Audacity simply doesn't work any more
[02:53] <hydrogen> I'm not
[02:53] <hydrogen> I'm going to walk over to my mac, and start up logic
[02:53] <hydrogen> but hey, thats just me
[02:54] <Jordan_U> hydrogen, The two applications are not targeted at the same demographic :)
[02:56] <ion1> I got a serious issue, latest updates of heron wont boot
[02:56] <taggie> so, anybody else brick a PC with the latest libc update? I can't spawn pretty much any new processes
[02:56] <ion1> I cannot chroot into my system
[02:56] <taggie> i'll take that as a probably :)
[02:56] <lamalex> yikes
[02:56] <ion1> root@ubuntu:~# chroot /media/disk-1
[02:56] <ion1> malloc: unknown:0: assertion botched
[02:56] <ion1> free: called with unallocated block argument
[02:56] <ion1> last command: (null)
[02:56] <ion1> Aborting...Aborted (core dumped)
[02:56] <Jordan_U> Wonder if audour works by default...
[02:56] <lamalex> i was just about to update
[02:56] <ion1> am I the only one with this issue?
[02:56] <ion1> bricked my box
[02:56] <ion1> latest update
[02:57] <ion1> DONT UPDATE!
[02:57] <ion1> lol
[02:57] <taggie> lamalex, i'd have to go with _don't_
[02:57] <ionstorm> how can I chroot into heron
[02:57] <ionstorm> im on a livecd
[02:57] <ionstorm> it fuqn wont even let me chroot in
[02:58] <taggie> I luckily haven't shutdown yet, and i still have nautilus windows open, so in theory, i could still recover, if i can figure out what to undo.
[02:58] <hydrogen> wuts a fuqn?
[02:58] <ionstorm> lol
[02:58] <DanaG> Find libc6 itself and manually copy.
[02:58] <ionstorm> How can I unbrick my system?
[02:58] <DanaG> Copy it from the livecd to the chroot.  It's an inelegant hack, but it's worth a try.
[02:58] <taggie> DanaG, from another hardy box i assume?
[02:58] <Jordan_U> taggie, easiest thing do do would probably either A: install the old version or B: wait for the new one
[02:59] <DanaG> That'd help.
[02:59] <ionstorm> why cant i even chroot in
[02:59] <DanaG> Or find (with dpkg --listfiles) all files that those packages provide, and manually copy them to the chroot.
[02:59] <ionstorm> any chroot alternative?
[03:00] <Jordan_U> taggie, wait, did you say you can't spawn new processes?
[03:00] <taggie> Jordan, can't wait for the new one, can't spawn any processes like apt-get or anything. libc is completely busted.
[03:00] <taggie> Jordan, also completely afraid to shutdown
[03:00] <ionstorm> i cant boot my system, or even chroot in
[03:01] <Jordan_U> taggie, Your old libc is still on the disk as long as you have any program running
[03:01] <DanaG> Copy the old one now!  Copy it somewhere safe.
[03:02] <Amaranth> that doesn't work
[03:02] <taggie> Jordan, right, but no new processes, so the best thing i have going for me is some nautilus windows. but from the looks of it, libc6 is 356 files, in _lots_ of directories
[03:02] <Amaranth> the new one is in place in the directory tree
[03:02] <Amaranth> the old one is still on disk and accessible to programs currently using it
[03:03] <ionstorm> can someone send me the old libc
[03:03] <ionstorm> so I can copy it over
[03:03] <taggie> Amaranth, yeah, but i do have another hardy box that i could copy from, assuming nautilus will mount a flash disk or somesuch.
[03:03] <Jordan_U> taggie, dpkg -L the package and lsof for those files ( or just grab an old package )
[03:03] <ionstorm> I can mount the drive
[03:04] <taggie> is there a procedure to emergency yank things from the apt mirrors? this is going to brick a lot of machines.
[03:06] <ionstorm> ok, I can mount cp/rm files from my hardy box in my livecd, can I dpkg -i libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb the old libc over the new from the live cd?
[03:06] <ionstorm> how can I install the old ver over the new one via live cd
[03:07] <ionstorm> wow this is a serious issue lol
[03:07] <Amaranth> ionstorm: no because for dpkg to work you have to chroot in
[03:07] <Amaranth> so you have to manually copy the old libc.so.6
[03:07] <RAOF> ionstorm: You could extract the contents of the .deb & copy them to your filesystem.
[03:07] <ionstorm> ok good idea RAOF
[03:07] <ionstorm> i'll try th@ and let u guys know
[03:08] <RAOF> ionstorm: Incidentally, what is the broken version number?
[03:08]  * RAOF wants to forbid-version it
[03:08] <Amaranth> -9ubuntu1
[03:08] <Amaranth> 2.7-9ubuntu1
[03:08] <RAOF> Excellent.
[03:08]  * Amaranth goes to calm people down on the forums
[03:08] <ionstorm> libc6-dev_2.7-9ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:08] <ionstorm> rm that
[03:09] <ctw> Hi! Unfortunately I joined the discussion a bit late, but it sounds like you might be talking about the issue I'm having
[03:09] <ctw> I just updated and can't log into my system anymore
[03:09] <ctw> is there a work-around?
[03:10] <RAOF> ctw: Here's where you manually copy files from a livecd.
[03:10] <ctw> RAOF: with chroot?
[03:10] <ionstorm> extract data.tar.gz in libc6-dev_2.7-9ubuntu1_i386.deb and copy the contents to /
[03:10] <ionstorm> that may fix
[03:11] <RAOF> ctw: No, you can't chroot because libc is busted.
[03:11] <RAOF> ctw: _Manually_ copying files from a livecd.
[03:11] <ctw> RAOF: oh thanks
[03:11] <RAOF> ionstorm: I think you'll find that "dpkg -x" does what you want.
[03:11] <ctw> RAOF: so boot up with the live CD, mount the HD and copy the files?
[03:12] <RAOF> ctw: Yup.
[03:12] <ctw> RAOF: thanks
[03:12] <RAOF> ionstorm: Particularly: "dpkg -x libc_not_broken_ver.deb /path/to/mounted/root" should fly.
[03:12] <ionstorm> cool
[03:17] <ionstorm> root@ubuntu:~/Desktop# dpkg -x libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb /media/disk-1
[03:17] <ionstorm> root@ubuntu:~/Desktop# chroot /media/disk-1
[03:17] <ionstorm> root@ubuntu:/#
[03:17] <ionstorm> works nice
[03:23] <M__> hey went to update to hardy and my laptop battery died part way through. I can't log in through the gui and I did dpkg --configure -a and now errors were encountered when processing: policykig, hal, gnome-mount, ubuntu-desktop, gnome-session, and more what should i do?
[03:24] <ionstorm> ouch now nvidia is broken
[03:24]  * pwnguin uses nouveau
[03:24] <ionstorm> i play openarena, I cant use nouveu unfortunately
[03:25] <pwnguin> actually
[03:25] <pwnguin> which chipset?
[03:25] <ionstorm> nv 43
[03:25] <ionstorm> 34 i mean
[03:25] <RAOF> Why can't you use nouveau, then.  That's pretty much the sweet spot for support?
[03:26] <pwnguin> i saw a video of someone playing on nv43 with open arena
[03:26] <ionstorm> nv34
[03:26]  * RAOF has done it himself.  Although that was nv4B
[03:27] <RAOF> ionstorm: There's some nv30 gallium support now.  Also, your card should be reasonably supported 2d.
[03:28] <ionstorm> how can I revert to before I updated
[03:28] <pwnguin> within our purvue of powers is not the ability to fix nvidia's blob. roll back to a previous version, maybe
[03:28] <RAOF> And by 'reasonably', I mean 'you can reasonably expect as good or better performance than the blob'.
[03:28] <M__> can someone point me in the right direction?
[03:29] <ionstorm> btw did the latest updates fix sound?
[03:29] <scizzo-> M__: tried apt-get -f install?
[03:29] <DanaG> Or aptitude.
[03:29] <scizzo-> ionstorm: the latest updates fixed my live sound card problems at least
[03:30] <ionstorm> ic
[03:30] <scizzo-> ionstorm: works with nvidia-glx-new and alsa now it seems
[03:30] <ionstorm> sweet
[03:30] <M__> scizzo-, E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:30] <iobelisk> hi guys, i think i have a pretty serious problem. testing hardy, i ran an update today and it stalled mid process because of missing dependencies, then the system hung, i had to manually restart. on normal boot, the system sort of stalls on 'staring system logs daemon', i try recovery boot and when bash asks me for username, i enter it and hit enter, but it fails and asks me for user name again, so i reboot and try recover mode again, th
[03:30] <ionstorm> cant wait for this libc fix
[03:30] <scizzo-> M__: sounds like another process is running
[03:30] <scizzo-> M__: sudo apt-get -f install
[03:30] <taggie> RAOF, how do you forbid-version?
[03:30] <scizzo-> M__: that is what you need to run I guess
[03:31] <scizzo-> M__: if that does not help: apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[03:31] <iobelisk> *starting
[03:31] <scizzo-> M__: and see what happens
[03:32] <scizzo-> ionstorm: recovery mode should put you in root mode
[03:32] <M__> dpkg: error processing ubuntu-desktop (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured: then i get the same errors were encountered while processing: policykit, hal, etc...
[03:32] <scizzo-> M__: tried the update and upgrade thingy?
[03:32] <RAOF> taggie: "sudo aptitude forbid-version libc6=2.7-9ubuntu1", for example.
[03:32] <M__> scizzo-, yes same error
[03:33] <RAOF> taggie: Note that this will _only_ affect aptitude - it's not going to stop apt-get, or update-manager, or whatever.
[03:33] <DanaG> Argh, Virtualbox and SCIM clash quite horribly and violently.
[03:33] <scizzo-> M__: dpkg -l | grep ubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <DanaG> Quite.
[03:33] <taggie> RAOF, thanks
[03:33] <scizzo-> M__: is it in rc mode?
[03:34] <M__> scizzo-, no it's not should i put it in recovery mode?
[03:34] <M__> iU ubuntu-desktop 1.96
[03:34] <scizzo-> M__: I mean look at the list...
[03:34] <scizzo-> hmmm
[03:34] <scizzo-> but the laptop has connection to the internet and so on?
[03:34] <M__> yes
[03:34] <Amaranth> RAOF: does this look like a good fix for the libc6 problem? cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6 | xargs` /path/to/mounted/partition/
[03:35] <scizzo-> M__: what happens with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop
[03:35] <M__> rebooted into recovery mode i'll try that in a sec
[03:35] <scizzo-> M__: no not recovery
[03:35] <scizzo-> M__: use normal mode...
[03:36] <M__> oh ok...
[03:36] <ionstorm> is someone working on the libc fix, what is the bug url
[03:37] <ionstorm> i stuck in vesa video
[03:37] <scizzo-> ionstorm: probably on launchpad
[03:37] <RAOF> Amaranth: Is there any particular reason not to "dpkg -x libc6_non_broken_version.deb /path/to/mounted/partition"?
[03:37] <Amaranth> ionstorm: we're like 4-5 hours away from someone even being awake and alert enough to know there is a problem :)
[03:37] <Amaranth> RAOF: I dunno, I just fell back on xargs
[03:38] <RAOF> Oh, yes of course there is; that requires having a non-broken deb, whereas yours will run from the livecd without an internet connection.
[03:38] <Amaranth> RAOF: plus if they need some firmware or custom driver for internet mine is better
[03:38] <Amaranth> yeah...
[03:38] <Amaranth> after they do mine they should be able to reboot or chroot in and fix the problem for real by installing the old deb
[03:38] <RAOF> If they have a non-broken deb I'd suggest mine; failing that, yours.
[03:39] <M__> scizzo-, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: buuntu-desktop is broken or not fully installed
[03:40] <scizzo-> M__: hmmmm
[03:40] <Amaranth> And _this_ is why running hardy on a non-testing machine is bad news :)
[03:40] <scizzo-> M__: and sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a did not help?
[03:40] <Amaranth> Would have been really bad for me, the only live cd I have handy is gutsy beta :P
[03:41] <M__> scizzo-, running that now
[03:42] <scizzo-> otherwise it might be the package that is not donwloaded fully
[03:42] <ionstorm> anyone got the libc6 launchpad page
[03:42] <ionstorm> the bug page
[03:43] <scizzo-> Amaranth: can't you just add it to the preferences for apt?
[03:43] <iobelisk> well, it seems i did upgrade libc6-- now my system crashed and i cannot log back on-- normal boot stalls on starting systems log daemon and recovery mode does not accept my username-- any ideas?
[03:44] <Amaranth> ionstorm: bug 201673
[03:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "Hardy: "invalid pointer: 0xb7ef4b70" no program will start." [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201673
[03:44] <PriceChild> Amaranth: just reading that forum thread, the guy at the bottom, confused why his ubuntu part doesn't show up in /mnt under a livecd session jumps out at me... *shakes head*
[03:44] <Amaranth> iobelisk: boot a live cd
[03:44] <virtuald> hmm... so then i should probably do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade now for some *real* fun
[03:44] <iobelisk> amarnath, i did
[03:44] <Amaranth> PriceChild: This is why I always tell people in the hardy forum that they needs to know linux to run dev versions
[03:45] <Amaranth> iobelisk: read the forum thread in the topic then
[03:45] <ionstorm> ok synaptic says I got a broken package and wont let me update the rest of my packages, any way to bypass?
[03:45] <Amaranth> ionstorm: stop now, leave synaptic alone :P
[03:46] <Amaranth> come back in 24 hours
[03:46] <PriceChild> Amaranth: and then the people that say 'aren't these tested before releasing them?'
[03:46] <Amaranth> uh, no, you're the guinea pigs :)
[03:46] <PriceChild> aren't there enough warnings everywhere?!
[03:47] <Amaranth> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/glibc/2.7-9ubuntu1
[03:47] <dasKreech> how do I configure my X ?
[03:47] <Amaranth> was a sync from debian, of course :)
[03:47] <Amaranth> from debian svn, apparently...
[03:47] <skwashd> hi
[03:47] <dasKreech> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing that I expect
[03:48] <skwashd> when trying to run " kvm -hda /srv/kvm/images/fc8.img -boot c -net nic,vlan=0,macaddr=02:01:00:00:00:01,model=rtl8139 -net tap,vlan=0,fd=h,ifname=tap0 -m 384 -localtime -vnc :1" i get jibberish on the console whenver there is network activity
[03:48] <ionstorm> im running 2.6.24-11-generic and this latest update screwed up my nvidia, anyone else have this issue?
[03:48] <skwashd> and there is no connectivity between host and guest
[03:48] <skwashd> any ideas?
[03:48] <RAOF> ionstorm: You should probably be running the latest kernel - I'm not sure whether there's a version mismatch between nvidia-glx-new & the -11 kernel.
[03:49] <skwashd> it been happening for about a week
[03:49] <skwashd> when i first tried hardy alpha6 ... and updating daily
[03:49] <pwnguin> RAOF: the latest kernel is -12
[03:49] <pwnguin> fyi
[03:49] <skwashd> using stock kvm-ifup script ... and i run tunctl to create the tap0 with the right perms
[03:50] <RAOF> pwnguin: Yes, I know.  He's running -11.  What part of my statement was unclear? (I actually want to know :))
[03:51] <pwnguin> the part where i didnt read his statement
[03:51] <pwnguin> plus
[03:51] <pwnguin> ive been having a version conflict with kernel updates and nouveau
[03:51] <pwnguin> so i thought perhaps you were unaware
[03:51] <pwnguin> at any rate
[03:51] <pwnguin> i think i just screwed myself
[03:51] <pwnguin> libc ftl
[03:52] <scizzo-> dasKreech: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:52] <pwnguin> i wonder if its possible to recover from libc breakage
[03:52] <cmorgan> hahah
[03:53] <RAOF> scizzo-: Won't do anything interesting.
[03:53] <cmorgan> i just dist-upgraded, saw libc updated and now i can't login or chroot to that partition from the live cd, how to fix?
[03:53] <scizzo-> RAOF: the whole xorg redo thingy?
[03:53] <cmorgan> pwnguin: you seeing the same issues with malloc assertions?
[03:53] <RAOF> pwnguin: I'm _fairly_ sure that there are linux-nouveau-modules-...-12-{generic,rt} in the PPA?
[03:53] <pwnguin> cmorgan: yes
[03:54] <pwnguin> RAOF: it wants to remove nouveau stuff
[03:54] <RAOF> scizzo-: Yes.  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will not ask any questions.
[03:54] <scizzo-> RAOF: bummer...
[03:54] <Amaranth> pwnguin, cmorgan: Does no one read the topic?
[03:54] <scizzo-> RAOF: my old habbits are gone... :(
[03:54] <DanaG> That'll stop people from recommending dpkg-reconfigure as a be-all end-all solution.
[03:54] <cmorgan> Amaranth: damnit
[03:54] <DanaG> (I do xorg.conf manually.)
[03:54] <Amaranth> cmorgan: the linked forum thread has a 'fix'
[03:55] <cmorgan> Amaranth: cool.
[03:55] <klaxian> i just installed a new libc6 and now most programs won't run. i get the following error: *** glibc detected *** sudo: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7c8cb70 ***
[03:55] <pwnguin> Amaranth: it's too long to show anything inportant in my irssi
[03:55] <klaxian> i can't rub dpkg to downgrade or anything
[03:55] <Amaranth> pwnguin: well, you know what they say about irssi...
[03:55] <klaxian> any ideas?
[03:55] <pwnguin> Amaranth: and since i never leave thanks to screen, i miss updates
[03:55] <Amaranth> klaxian: topic
[03:56] <cmorgan> Amaranth: the last time i had this issue was an upgrade of suse when they switched from a.out to elf format, i think
[03:56] <klaxian> Amaranth: ugh sorry i'll read the thread
[03:56] <Amaranth> cmorgan: 2000?
[03:56] <scizzo-> RAOF: bulletproof X that is what it was called
[03:56] <pwnguin> Amaranth: this is also why i keep a second partition of ubuntu stable installed :)
[03:56] <klaxian> Amaranth: ah unfortunately firefox won't run now either
[03:57] <Amaranth> klaxian: nothing will, you need to fix this from a hardy live cd
[03:57] <RAOF> scizzo-: No; this is xorg hotplug.
[03:57] <Amaranth> klaxian: if you don't have a hardy live cd your computer is a paperweight until you get one (and you can't use your computer to get one)
[03:57] <cmorgan> Amaranth: yeah it was a long time ago. when that happened i just installed caldera i think to try it out since i knew i was screwed
[03:57] <klaxian> Amaranth: i was afraid of that...no worries
[03:57] <pwnguin> cmorgan: well, it's basically that level of massively broken. i guess the libc update changed the library, without recompiling
[03:57] <klaxian> Amaranth: i have other computers...i'll burn a cd
[03:58] <Amaranth> pwnguin: libc doesn't get ABI bumps
[03:58] <klaxian> Amaranth: i don't run hardy on my production machines :)  thanks for the help tho
[03:58] <lamalex> hahah caldera?
[03:58] <lamalex> why
[03:58] <pwnguin> recompiling the other packages, i mean
[03:58] <cmorgan> lamalex: it was a long time ago man ;-) i was in college and trying distros out like crazy
[03:58] <Amaranth> pwnguin: that would mean ABI bump
[03:58] <RAOF> scizzo-: Rather than suggesting people dpkg-reconfigure, you could just suggest they "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf".  This will have essentially the same effect.
[03:58] <pwnguin> yes
[03:58] <lamalex> hahah college days
[03:59] <Amaranth> pwnguin: which would mean "oh god kill me now hardy is delayed until december"
[03:59] <lamalex> "man i was all whacked out on bsd, I had no idea what I was doing"
[03:59] <pwnguin> im guessing ubuntu policy is something along the lines of "no libc abi bumps after alpha1" or something even earlier
[03:59] <Amaranth> pwnguin: you _don't_ change the ABI of libc :)
[03:59] <Amaranth> pwnguin: libc has been backward compatible for like 7 years now
[04:00] <pwnguin> hmm
[04:00] <pwnguin> Amaranth: so theres a forum thread but no bug report?
[04:00] <lamalex> yeah, that would break pretty much every program ever written
[04:00] <virtuald> theres a LOT of things that break when you change something like libc
[04:00] <Amaranth> pwnguin: the forum links to a bug report
[04:00] <pwnguin> there it is
[04:00] <pwnguin> from 9 minutes ago
[04:00] <Amaranth> libc makes everything that isn't in the kernel go
[04:00] <cmorgan> thanks for the info guys, have a good evening
[04:01] <virtuald> though, REAL men don't use libraries, they just reinvent the wheel :-p
[04:01] <Amaranth> it's kind of important :)
[04:01] <Amaranth> I'm going to blame Debian for this one as it was a sync from Debian and blaming them is sure to get me some fresh hatemail
[04:02] <pwnguin> na
[04:02] <Amaranth> I haven't gotten good hatemail since 2005
[04:02] <pwnguin> blame the guy who commited the sync
[04:02] <Amaranth> Apparently I'm not doing things right
[04:02] <virtuald> so... does anyone have any idea how HAL and xorg are supposed to work together? everywhere I look it *says* that they do, but I can't seem to get the damn thing to load a driver for my touchscreen
[04:03] <Amaranth> virtuald: your touchscreen is USB?
[04:03] <virtuald> yep
[04:03] <Amaranth> bug then, i guess
[04:03] <Amaranth> unless a driver for it doesn't exist
[04:03] <virtuald> well, heres the fun part
[04:03] <virtuald> I configure xorg.conf, with the evtouch driver, and it works great... until the touchscreen gets turned off
[04:04] <virtuald> then when it comes back up, it doesn't work
[04:04] <virtuald> so I was looking at the source, and of course it doesn't support reopening the device file
[04:04] <virtuald> so i sent an email to the xorg dev list, and they said you should use HAL to do hotplugging
[04:04] <virtuald> well... the docs really suck
[04:04] <virtuald> lol
[04:05] <virtuald> so im good til i accidently hit the power on the touchscreen, then i have to restart X
[04:05] <virtuald> from what I've seen, you're supposed to create an FDI file in the hal directory, and tell X to load a driver
[04:06] <RAOF> Why must it be so much effort to build a git X server :(.
[04:06] <virtuald> but.. that apparently doesn't work, or im doing something wrong
[04:07] <virtuald> thus.. im looking for someone who might have a better clue than I, before I go bug the xorg mailing list, since they didn't respond to my first request :(
[04:07] <virtuald> (about HAL/xorg interaction)
[04:08] <virtuald> any good thoughts?
[04:14] <leonel> too late  i've upgraded :(
[04:14] <lamalex> he's done for
[04:14] <Amaranth> read thread
[04:14] <Amaranth> boot live cd
[04:14] <setuid> Something just broke Hardy bad.
[04:14] <Amaranth> read thread
[04:14] <Amaranth> boot live cd
[04:14] <Amaranth> /topic
[04:14] <leonel> Amaranth: reading ..
[04:14] <setuid> And since I use an encrypted LVM, I'm toast
[04:14] <Amaranth> setuid: oh, yep, you're done for
[04:15] <setuid> Does the boot CD support reading an encrypted LVM?
[04:15] <Amaranth> setuid: i suppose if you know how to set it up you could mount a partition from an encrypted LVM
[04:16] <tgelter> so a few mins ago I ran an upgrade and just now saw the message in the topic *not* to upgrade libc6...what's going to happen when i reboot?
[04:16] <setuid> That's truly going to suck, since I now have to copy 100GB of data over wireless before 6am
[04:16] <virtuald> yeah, dont do that
[04:16] <Amaranth> tgelter: your machine sure does make a nice paperweight
[04:16] <Twigman> hahaha...
[04:16] <Twigman> damn
[04:16] <setuid> Yep, you just bricked your machine
[04:16] <setuid> Just as I did
[04:16] <tgelter> Amaranth: funny...:P
[04:16] <Amaranth> read topic, boot live cd
[04:16] <Twigman> I just read the title.. anything I can do to fix libc?
[04:16] <Amaranth> read thread
[04:17] <Twigman> I *can* access my filesystem from win..
[04:17] <Amaranth> Twigman: that's harder than going the live cd way
[04:17] <Twigman> thanks! didn't quite read the entire topic *ahem*
[04:17] <Twigman> yeah, Livecd will do it .. I'll go get me some info..
[04:17] <Flannel> chopped!
[04:17] <setuid> Set an onjoin message
[04:17] <Amaranth> setuid: no one reads those
[04:18] <crdlb> maybe you should just remove the rest of the topic :)
[04:18] <tgelter> so why can't I copy over these files right now as I'm booted in right now with no problems?
[04:18] <Twigman> yeah, I think this particular issue is probably the one everyone joining will be here for..
[04:18] <Amaranth> crdlb: hmm
[04:19] <telexicon> somebody trashed the repo this late?
[04:19] <Twigman> tgelter: From what I saw - 'cp' will likely crash
[04:19] <ionstorm> tinyurl it
[04:19] <Amaranth> oh, my bit got cut off
[04:19] <Amaranth> never even noticed before
[04:19] <telexicon> all my apps crash now
[04:19] <telexicon> thats unfortunate
[04:19] <Twigman> Amaranth: need a 'p' at the end..
[04:19] <setuid> This is truly going to suck if I can't mount this dm-crypt volume from the boot CD
[04:19] <Amaranth> need more than that
[04:19] <lamalex> i'll let you guys have fun, I'm going to bd
[04:20] <telexicon> Amaranth, too late :(
[04:20] <Twigman> telexicon: welcome - fairly full club you've joined.. hehe
[04:20] <telexicon> can i have static apt please? :)
[04:20] <Amaranth> statically linking libc6 is bad :P
[04:21] <tgelter> so, without rebooting, what can I do to test if I'm affected by this breakage?
[04:21] <Amaranth> tgelter: try to open a new problem
[04:21] <Amaranth> err, program
[04:21] <setuid> damnit
[04:22] <dasKreech> scizzo-: Doesn't do anything
[04:22] <tgelter> Amaranth: yet, I'm hosed
[04:23] <dasKreech> DanaG: My Good good friend :)
[04:23] <telexicon> Amaranth, but isnt there a static dpkg for emergencies?
[04:23] <Twigman> Is there any way we can get the files in a zip or something? I really won't want to have to download the livecd..
[04:23] <Amaranth> Twigman: that's lots of extra work, actually
[04:23] <Twigman> damn
[04:23] <Amaranth> you have to copy over a bunch of files
[04:24] <telexicon> Twigman, the debs are just ar archives
[04:24] <Twigman> hmm... telexicon - so I might just be able to grab an old version, un-ar and copy the files?
[04:24] <Amaranth> yes
[04:25] <cwillu_> is there any way to punt a user to a different channel?
[04:25] <Amaranth> but you're on your own there
[04:25] <Amaranth> cwillu_: yeah, you can ban forward them
[04:25] <Amaranth> cwillu_: but it is considered impolite to thrust users on other channels if they are causing you problems
[04:26] <bazhang> heh I know the user
[04:26] <DanaG> Oh, sorry, I wasn't paying attention.
[04:26] <setuid> Where does one obtain the "old" libc6 package?
[04:26] <dasKreech> DanaG: Want to help me manually setup my xorg?
[04:26] <ionstorm> in /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:27] <tgelter> so, cp is working for me (just did a simple test) could I just loopback mount (assuming mount works too) the cd and cp from there?
[04:27] <setuid> ionstorm, That presumes someone didn't run apt-get clean, which I do after every update
[04:27] <ionstorm> ouch
[04:27] <ionstorm> i never do incase of things like this
[04:28] <cwillu_> Amaranth, he's not causing me problems, I just ignored him at that point;  however, he said he didn't know how to open a new channel, so it might help to get him somewhere where some people can help him out
[04:28] <Flannel> Hes just being beliggerent
[04:28] <Flannel> (now)
[04:28] <bazhang> yup
[04:28] <Amaranth> setuid: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/
[04:28]  * DanaG is irritated that they've essentially BROKEN evdev.
[04:28] <cwillu_> DanaG, what did they do?
[04:28] <DanaG> "can't init pevdev" -- what the hell's a "pevdev"?
[04:29] <Amaranth> you want 2.6.1-1ubuntu10
[04:29] <DanaG> (google that, you'll get something useful.)
[04:29] <Amaranth> err, wait
[04:29] <dasKreech> is dpkg-reconfigure broken due to buletproof or due to new X ?
[04:29] <Amaranth> 2.7-5ubuntu2 is the one you want
[04:29] <dasKreech> DanaG: Essentially all my sections are one line long
[04:30] <setuid> Amaranth, Your instructions are... confusing. How can you run a dpkg -L from a boot cd, and point xargs to the mounted partition location? You'd be running the dpkg binary from the busybox boot, against the libc6 used to boot the boot cd
[04:30] <pwnguin> whats the diff between -i686 and the one wtihout?
[04:30] <Amaranth> setuid: uh, i said live cd
[04:30] <setuid> Right, same thing
[04:30] <Flannel> pwnguin: Where?
[04:31] <Amaranth> setuid: live cd is full ubuntu environment
[04:31] <Amaranth> setuid: it has regular dpkg, regular libc6
[04:31] <setuid> The alternative cd installer (the only one that works), gives you a shell, text-only, no GUI
[04:31] <pwnguin> Flannel: on forum there's two libc's to download
[04:31] <pwnguin> theres libc and libc-i686
[04:31] <Amaranth> right, you're even more screwed with that one
[04:31] <pwnguin> heh, dont use a nightly build i guess
[04:31] <M__> scizzo-, same thing
[04:31] <Amaranth> well, you can dpkg -x /path/to/libc/on/cd /path/to/mounted/partition
[04:32] <Amaranth> according to RAOF
[04:32] <setuid> I can mount the enc/LVM and chroot to the root directory... but then what? Can I just force an install of libc6 from there with dpkg -i on the older .deb?
[04:32] <setuid> Amaranth, No dpkg available from the alternative boot installer
[04:32] <Amaranth> you can't chroot to the root directory or you don't have this problem
[04:32] <setuid> So I have to chroot to get to dpkg
[04:32] <Amaranth> if you can chroot you have a completely separate problem
[04:32] <pwnguin> if chroot works, you have a new set of binaries to use
[04:32] <pwnguin> at which point, DOOM
[04:33] <tgelter> setuid: and if I'm still booted up, could I use dpkg to reinstall and avoid the mess of the liveCD and copying all the files?
[04:33] <setuid> Which version of libc6 is the issue?
[04:33] <Amaranth> tgelter: no because dpkg needs libc6
[04:33] <Amaranth> setuid: 2.7-9ubuntu1
[04:33] <setuid> Yep, that's the one inside my chroot
[04:33] <Amaranth> then you can't chroot
[04:33] <Amaranth> or you have a different bug
[04:33] <leonel> it's alive  it's alive !
[04:33] <M__> hey went to update to hardy and my laptop battery died part way through. I can't log in through the gui and I did dpkg --configure -a and now errors were encountered when processing: policykig, hal, gnome-mount, ubuntu-desktop, gnome-session, and more what should i do?
[04:33] <dasKreech> Does   X 7.3 even use  the config file?
[04:33] <tgelter> Amaranth: so, if my copy works, and my mount works, I assume I can just run your copy commands listed in the forums, yes?
[04:34] <DanaG> Instead of dpkg, just use cp, perhaps.
[04:34] <setuid> Amaranth, The bug I'm seeing is that when I log in as root, it recycles, killing init
[04:34] <DanaG> Have somebody else pm you the output of dpkg --listfiles on the relevant package.
[04:34] <Amaranth> setuid: the bug everyone else is seeing is that _no_ program works
[04:34] <Amaranth> they all die with glibc errors
[04:34] <setuid> Let me try something inside the chroot
[04:34] <telexicon> Amaranth, most programs died
[04:34] <telexicon> Amaranth, but cp, mv and tar didnt
[04:35] <setuid> mc inside the chroot works
[04:35] <Amaranth> telexicon: the only ones that will work are in /sbin/
[04:35] <EruditeHermit>  hey, I just installed alpha 6 hardy, and I want to enable desktop effects with the ati open source driver but visual effects won't let me. It tries to install the fglrx closed driver if select the desktop effects. Is there a way around this? Also when I am typing the scim pops up and randomly changes the language.
[04:35] <setuid> telexicon, those are static, from /bin/
[04:35] <telexicon> Amaranth, ah ok
[04:35] <tgelter> amaranth: I can still run (some) commands from gnome-terminal that I had launched before updating...
[04:35] <telexicon> but those dont work anymore
[04:35] <telexicon> :(
[04:35] <Amaranth> tgelter: ones that don't link to libc6
[04:35] <tgelter> amaranth: nm, I just read what you said
[04:35] <Amaranth> if you have tar you can unpack the deb and get the files
[04:36] <Amaranth> if you have the deb already, of course
[04:36] <Amaranth> if you don't i guarantee wget won't work
[04:36] <tgelter> and where was the deb again?
[04:36] <setuid> Amaranth, Ok, so let's say I'm chrooted to the encrypted LVM... and I fetch the older glibc .deb from /pool/, and put it on a USB key... can I just chroot to / and dpkg -i that?
[04:36] <tgelter> I have firefox up and running
[04:36] <RAOF> setuid: I've successfully chrooted into a crypted LVM from a livecd.  It's not _that_ hard (but is much harder than "sudo mount /dev/foo /media/root") :)
[04:37] <setuid> RAOF, Right, but the alternative installer isn't a LiveCD with a GUI
[04:37] <Amaranth> setuid: probably not dpkg -i
[04:37] <Amaranth> setuid: but you could untar it and cp the files
[04:37] <setuid> I'll have to use my ipod or something to transfer the files
[04:37] <setuid> hrm, I wonder if usb is enabled from this boot cd
[04:37] <tgelter> can someone link me to the x86_64 deb?
[04:37] <Amaranth> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/
[04:38] <tgelter> Amaranth: thanks
[04:38] <bazhang> heh well at least the ipods work now ;]
[04:38] <RAOF> setuid: That's quite true.  You can do it from a livecd, though; you just need to install lvm2 and the various magic packages.
[04:38] <Amaranth> find the 2.7-5ubuntu2 version
[04:39] <setuid> Here goes... from a Windows machine... copying the older .deb to my ipod, and then into the chrooted encrypted LVM on Linux
[04:39] <tgelter> libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_amd64.deb  yes?
[04:39] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:39] <tgelter> and since aptitude/apt-*/dpkg won't work, how would I use tar?
[04:39] <Amaranth> here is tip: if libc6 or dpkg or anything else essential like that gets updated, wait 24 hours and see if yet another update is pushed out
[04:39] <Amaranth> if not, it is safe
[04:39] <Amaranth> if so, repeat
[04:40] <Amaranth> tgelter: i dunno, someone said tar still worked :P
[04:40] <tgelter> Amaranth: tip noted
[04:40] <setuid> This is going to be a hack
[04:40] <pwnguin> tgelter: ldd tar
[04:40] <Amaranth> tar is in /bin :)
[04:40] <Amaranth> everything in /bin and /sbin should work, i think
[04:41] <telexicon> this is fun
[04:41] <Amaranth> or maybe just /bin
[04:41] <pwnguin> at least for my currently running hardy, /bin/tar is dynamic linked
[04:41] <telexicon> now i completely ruined things
[04:41] <setuid> Welcome to pre-release development, kids.
[04:41] <pwnguin> the liveCD may use busybox tar
[04:41] <telexicon>  /bin/cp: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libc.so.6: file too short
[04:41] <telexicon> yay
[04:41] <setuid> If you don't know how to fix it, run Gutsy
[04:41] <M__> gnome won't boot. I can log in but then nothing happens...
[04:41] <Amaranth> or maybe someone broke that standard a long time ago
[04:41] <tgelter> so what am I actually trying to accomplish with this deb? extract the files and just hope they go to the correct location?
[04:41] <pwnguin> tgelter: they will go to the right place
[04:42] <Amaranth> Note: If you cannot figure out how to fix this problem, you are not ready to run hardy. :)
[04:42] <pwnguin> tgelter: .debs are basically a small amount of control data scripts and a tar.gz extracted on /
[04:42] <tgelter> pwnguin: so I'd imagine that I just need to "cd / && tar x filename.deb"?
[04:42] <Twigman> does anyone have any idea about what program I can use to get files out of a .deb under windows?
[04:42] <pwnguin> not quite
[04:42] <dasKreech> Amaranth: I'm guessing that there is no user docs for 7.3 yet?
[04:42] <M__> scizzo-, any other suggestions?
[04:42] <Amaranth> dasKreech: 7.3 xorg.conf is same as 7.2
[04:42] <telexicon> Twigman, nope
[04:42] <tgelter> pwnguin: what am I missing?
[04:43] <telexicon> Twigman, oh perhaps you could use cygwin
[04:43] <Amaranth> except it can autoconfigure most stuff so if you use intel or ati driver you probably don't even need xorg.conf
[04:43] <Twigman> oh! 7-zip for anyone else who wants to know..
[04:43] <Amaranth> fglrx and nvidia users still need an xorg.conf
[04:43] <pwnguin> you need to seperate the control data from the .tar.gz that holds the real files, and you need to make sure you dont overwrite stuff with an empty directory
[04:43] <Twigman> telexicon: hmmmm... that would probably work...
[04:43] <RAOF> Or users who want their synaptic touchpad to be useful.
[04:43] <Twigman> but I'm half way through 'fixing' this 'my way' ;)
[04:43] <pwnguin> or wacom
[04:43] <Amaranth> RAOF: this is a bug in the Ubuntu patch :)
[04:44] <setuid> Sweet
[04:44] <RAOF> Amaranth: Heh.
[04:44] <tgelter> pwnguin: if that's the case, I have no idea what I need to do w/ tar and the deb, care to enlighten me?
[04:44] <setuid> dpkg -i seems to be working
[04:44] <Amaranth> RAOF: it looks specifically for the Identifier that old dpkg-reconfigure set for touchpads
[04:44] <setuid> and is downgrading from 2.7.9 to 2.7.5
[04:44] <setuid> Using my ipod as a trampoline
[04:44] <pwnguin> tgelter: what do you have running right now?
[04:44] <setuid> Rebooting now to test
[04:44] <Twigman> man I hate using windows :-/
[04:44] <RAOF> Amaranth: Whoops :)
[04:45] <setuid> This may be a better solution
[04:45] <tgelter> pwnguin: two instances of gnome-terminal, firefox, one tty that I'm logged into, pidgin, and xchat
[04:45] <pwnguin> tgelter: i just used "sudo dpkg -x Desktop/libc6-i686_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb /mnt/sda3/
[04:45] <pwnguin> "
[04:45] <setuid> boot the alternate cd or a live cd and chroot to your root partition, then dpkg -i the older libc6
[04:46] <pwnguin> tgelter: so you have a live CD running
[04:46] <tgelter> pwnguin: "sudo" didn't work for me
[04:46] <Amaranth> setuid: you are the only one i've seen that was able to chroot
[04:46] <tgelter> pwnguin: nope, I'm still in the normal environment (haven't rebooted since upgrade)
[04:46] <RAOF> setuid: if you can chroot to your root partition, you don't have the broken libc, surely.
[04:46] <Amaranth> setuid: because inside the chroot things are using the broken libc
[04:46] <M__> hey went to update to hardy and my laptop battery died part way through. I can't log in through the gui and I did dpkg --configure -a and now errors were encountered when processing: policykig, hal, gnome-mount, ubuntu-desktop, gnome-session, and more what should i do?
[04:46] <setuid> RAOF, I certainly do
[04:46] <setuid> gdm is confused and the X server isn't starting, but at least I'm booted now
[04:46] <Amaranth> M__: don't upgrade while on battery power
[04:47] <cwillu> M__, does it still boot to anything?
[04:47] <cwillu> M__, right now an important package is broken, so even if you finish the upgrade, you'll end up with a very broken machine
[04:48] <pwnguin> tgelter: that situation is likely untenable
[04:48] <pwnguin> tgelter: have you a working CD?
[04:48] <M__> cwillu, boots to gui login just nothing after sign in
[04:48] <tgelter> pwnguin: I have an iso on my drive,  but no cd to burn to, and I'm in a hotel room =(
[04:48] <cwillu> M__, are you on the same computer right now?
[04:49] <telexicon> time to reboot and fix stuff
[04:49] <RAOF> setuid: Hm.  I remain perplexed, since if you chroot into the install with broken libc nothing should run :)
[04:49] <setuid> Fixed mine with alternate cd + chroot + ipod + Windows machine
[04:49] <pwnguin> tgelter: not an optimal time to be testing a development version of ubuntu
[04:49] <setuid> RAOF, I don't think that's how that works
[04:49] <M__> cwillu, no
[04:49] <cwillu> good
[04:49] <setuid> RAOF, libc is the one thing that had to exist BEFORE chrooting
[04:49] <cwillu> M__, how impatient are you? :)
[04:49] <tgelter> pwnguin: it's not a mission-critical system. I only need it for my own entertainment while on the road
[04:49] <setuid> You don't automatically "switch" libc6's after chroot
[04:49] <M__> cwillu, been waiting this long... ;)
[04:50] <Amaranth> setuid: things running inside the chroot are using the broken libc6 though
[04:50] <pwnguin> tgelter: still, you've just learned that devel can break on you, so always leave an "out" ;)
[04:50] <Twigman> bbl..
[04:50] <setuid> Amaranth, Then it's pixie dust, because it works nwo
[04:50] <Amaranth> setuid: i've had a couple users say chroot gave the same error as running an app before they rebooted
[04:50] <pwnguin> tgelter: basically, you need a working libc first.
[04:50] <cwillu> M__, a combination of dpkg-reconfigure -all and aptitude full-upgrade 's should fix it, but if you 'fix it' right now, you'll end up with the libc6 problem everyone else on this channel is talking about :)
[04:50] <tgelter> pwnguin: yeah, that's true. I'm determined that there's got to be a way though...I have the deb, I have a terminal, cp and tar work... =)
[04:50] <RAOF> setuid: Yes, you do.  By chrooting, _everything_ you run in the chroot is linked against things in the chroot.
[04:51] <RAOF> setuid: That being how, for example, i386 chroots on amd64 systems work :)
[04:51] <pwnguin> tgelter: what about dpkg?
[04:51] <setuid> Well, it works... my nvidia drivers/opengl is screwed up, but at least I can boot
[04:51] <M__> cwillu, lol yay ok i'll wait
[04:51] <M__> I just did dpkg-reconfigure -all
[04:51] <setuid> Something else came down with this update that broke xorg
[04:51] <tgelter> pwnguin: I think it's working, but I can't su =(
[04:51] <cwillu> M__, you could download a cd image, burn it, and upgrade against that
[04:52] <setuid> Which package contains the restricted nvidia drivers for stock kernels?
[04:52]  * cwillu 's Update Manager is taunting him to push the 'Install Updates' button, to prove himself a man :p
[04:52]  * RAOF doesn't trust GUI apps with his development-system-upgrades.  Aptitude FTW!
[04:52] <pwnguin> tgelter: most hotels these days have a business center. i doubt they have a fast internet or cdrs though
[04:52] <berbsd> does anyone know whether there is a way to fix network manager?
[04:52] <Amaranth> setuid: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[04:53] <cwillu> define fix?
[04:53] <setuid>  I can't use -12, but I'll see if -11 is still up
[04:53] <tgelter> http://pastebin.com/m12b27a89   <---it says it downgraded!
[04:53] <tgelter> how can I tell if it's actually fixed?
[04:54] <Amaranth> tgelter: downgrade means fixed :)
[04:54] <pwnguin> your programs start working?
[04:54] <cwillu> lol
[04:54] <DanaG> Any way they could set the broken version "access denied" on servers?
[04:54] <DanaG> That'd prevent people from upgrading to that one.
[04:54] <Amaranth> DanaG: i suspect so, when they wake up
[04:54] <tgelter> wow! it's fixed!
[04:54] <cwillu> DanaG, I think it's a good way to punish people who don't read motd's :)
[04:54] <tgelter> thank goodness for "su -c"
[04:54] <tgelter> Thanks all!
[04:55] <tgelter> Amaranth: special thanks
[04:55] <tgelter> pwnguin: special thanks
[04:55] <DanaG> su -c?
[04:55] <pwnguin> DanaG: like sudo
[04:55] <DanaG> I read changelogs, too.
[04:55] <tgelter> DanaG: it works like sudo, but sudo was broken
[04:55] <pwnguin> im not sure why su worked though
[04:56] <DanaG> I try to be almost obsessive-compulsive about not installing updates without reading changelogs.  However, that wouldn't have protected me from the Wine breakage or this thing.
[04:56] <cwillu> pwnguin, statically linked maybe?
[04:56] <pwnguin> nope
[04:56] <setuid> RAOF, Speaking of encrypted LVM... is the first field of /etc/crypttab something I can change/modify? I'd like to change the message displayed on usplash to something that is less inidicative of which partition is encrypted (sda2_crypt to 'encrypted_volume' or something)
[04:56] <pwnguin> ldd shows it linked against plenty
[04:56] <cwillu> hmm
[04:56] <DanaG> Here's something kinda' cool: an HP wallpaper with the Heron stuck on top:
[04:56] <Amaranth> maybe it just doesn't hit the bug
[04:56] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/hp%20kuti%20heron.png
[04:56] <cwillu> maybe it includes a statically linked copy in case of a link error?  is that even possible? :P
[04:57] <Amaranth> no, not really
[04:57] <cwillu> shush :;p
[04:57] <RAOF> setuid: I would suggest that messing with /etc/cryptab is very likely to result in being dropped ot a busybox prompt on reboot :)
[04:58] <RAOF> setuid: I think it _is_ possible, but I think you need to change it there and a couple of other places (maybe).
[04:58] <pwnguin> tgelter: in the future, if you're going to run testing versions like this, id have a backup partition to recover with or carry a CD around
[04:58] <setuid> RAOF, So the first field is actually parsed as a real device, not a string? They split on underscores or something?
[04:58] <tgelter> pwnguin: good point
[04:59] <tgelter> pwnguin: actually, I have a CD back at the training center where I'll go tomorrow morning, but it's all locked up tonight and I'm tired =)
[04:59] <pwnguin> tgelter: the sad part is, there isn't a good way to have two ubuntu installs co manage grub.lst
[04:59] <pwnguin> menu.lst whatever
[04:59] <DanaG> You could also boot Windows and use ext2ifs, if need be.
[05:00] <pwnguin> that reminds me to set that up
[05:00] <DanaG> Just make sure to fsck from within the initramfs, if fsck is there and runnable.
[05:00] <pwnguin> now that ive changed away from reiserfs
[05:00] <pwnguin> reiserfs == terrible windows support
[05:00] <cwillu> terrible implies it exists?
[05:00] <cwillu> didn't know that
[05:01] <pwnguin> theres a few windows apps that will read reiserfs
[05:01] <dasKreech> Amaranth: ok I should be using ati driver so I can ignore that ther is nothing in my xorg.conf ?
[05:01] <pwnguin> but they're slow and single threaded
[05:01] <cwillu> more than I thought there was
[05:01] <DanaG> And they're not filesystem drivers.
[05:01] <setuid> all of compiz is broken too, which breaks apt
[05:01] <pwnguin> right, they're not integrated
[05:01] <DanaG> Here's what I wish the ext2 one would do, though:
[05:02] <setuid> You can't remove/reinstall any package once you have the broken compiz-gnome package half-installed
[05:02] <RAOF> setuid: I'm not actually sure aof the details.  I don't _think_ it's parsed as a real device, I think things are UUID based.  You *do* need to make sure the UUIDs you have match up, though.
[05:02] <berbsd> is anyone still able to use network manager to connect to wireless ap? It seems to be broken for some time now?
[05:02] <DanaG> GO readonly when it needs to be fsck'd; don't ask me to format!
[05:02] <DanaG> NetworkManager works for me, though quite buggily.
[05:02] <setuid> And apparently I can't reinstall the linux-restricted-modules package either
[05:02] <setuid> arg
[05:03] <cwillu> berbsd, works for me, updated 16 hours ago on my laptop
[05:03] <pwnguin> need libc6-dv
[05:03] <pwnguin> dve
[05:03] <berbsd> does it work again or did you not run into issues?
[05:03] <berbsd> it stopped working for me about 4/5 days ago
[05:03] <cwillu> never ran into issues
[05:03] <berbsd> I have the latest hardy updates....
[05:04] <M__> cwillu, I tried it and I get dependency problems - leaving unconfigured/ Errors were encountered while processing: policykit/ hal/ gnome-mount/ gnome-volume-mount/ update-naotifier/ etc...
[05:04] <cwillu> encrypted?
[05:04] <berbsd> wep and wpa at work
[05:04] <berbsd> both with problems
[05:04] <cwillu> M__, just go back and forth between the two (granted that you don't want it to touch libc6 right now)
[05:04] <DanaG> For me, it sucks at roaming between access points of the same SSID.
[05:04] <DanaG> Open access points, by the way.
[05:05] <M__> ok
[05:06] <Mfe1> man, i need an rss feed of these topics
[05:06] <Mfe1> "DO NOT UPGRADE LIBC6".. that would have been good to know 10 minutes ago
[05:06] <setuid> I wish the vesa driver would support 1920x1200
[05:06] <pwnguin> zheh
[05:07] <pwnguin> Mfe1: i think the solution is closer to 24/7 watch on the ftp
[05:07] <pwnguin> so we dont have to wait for someone to 403 the .debs
[05:07] <Mfe1> heh. . . "shouldn't these upgrades be thoroughly tested before releasing them?"  yeah dude, what do you think YOU are doing :P
[05:07] <setuid> whoa, what the hell
[05:07] <berbsd> evolution question now... is anyone successfully getting ldap lookups?
[05:08] <tgelter> thanks all, it's time to reboot and cross my fingers
[05:08] <tgelter> g'night
[05:08] <setuid> Now the latest update wants to remove a ton of critical packages (apt-build, build-essential, libc6-dev, and 72 other packages)
[05:08] <pwnguin> build-essential isnt critical
[05:09] <Amaranth> none of those look 'critical' and they are all because your libc6-dev is out of sync
[05:09] <Amaranth> downgrade it too
[05:09] <MFe1> any way to run apt-get update/upgrade on a non-root filesystem?
[05:10] <Twigman> well that didn't work..
[05:10] <Twigman> half the files from the archive were empty (0b)
[05:10] <Twigman> is that correct? libc6-2.7-5
[05:10] <ionstorm> yes
[05:11] <ionstorm> that works fine
[05:11] <Twigman> if they are not meant to be 0b then 7-zip is stuffing me around..
[05:11] <Jordan_U> MFe1, You can dpkg -x libc6 and chroot
[05:11] <ionstorm> eanyone seen this bug before with update manager ? http://pastebin.com/m2df359
[05:12] <ionstorm> GLib-GObject-CRITICAL
[05:12] <ionstorm> errors
[05:13] <MFe1> Jordan_U: it's cool, i dug deeper into the thread in the topic and i'm working through it now
[05:14] <MFe1> i dunno how people deal with unstable operating systems who haven't been using linux for 15 years
[05:14] <setuid> Hey, I've been using it for 13-14 years, I resemble that remark!
[05:14] <Jordan_U> MFe1, They shouldn't ( though 15 years is a bit much :)
[05:14] <MFe1> oh, damn.  "right click and unpack here".
[05:15] <minghua> MFe1: Read the dpkg man page, you can specify --root option.  Doesn't quite work for me here though.
[05:15] <MFe1> yeah, that's not really gonna work on my macbook with no right mouse button
[05:15] <Jordan_U> MFe1, F12
[05:15] <setuid> I'm comfortable fixing some pretty serious breakage
[05:15] <MFe1> Jordan_U: well, 17 is the outer limit :)
[05:15] <cwillu> MFe1, get a better laptop :p
[05:15]  * cwillu ducks
[05:15] <Jordan_U> MFe1, Or if you have set it up to a three finger tap :)
[05:16] <MFe1> i have middle and right mouse buttons when i'm not booted into the live cd
[05:16] <MFe1> hmm, maybe i can manually fix that though
[05:16] <Jordan_U> MFe1, F12 doesn't work?
[05:16] <dasKreech> Amaranth: Resolution as well?
[05:17] <MFe1> no
[05:17] <Jordan_U> Strange, does for me (even on the LiveCD )
[05:17] <Amaranth> dasKreech: it'll autodetect it correctly on most LCDs
[05:18] <Jordan_U> MFe1, Try using the xorg.conf from your installed system
[05:18] <dasKreech> Amaranth: Ah I have a monitor and it's settign it wide screen
[05:18] <Amaranth> CRTs are hit and miss
[05:18] <dasKreech> Amaranth: so how do I direct the miss closer to a hit?
[05:18] <MFe1> sweet, xmodmap ftw
[05:19] <Amaranth> dasKreech: xorg.conf file
[05:19] <dasKreech> Amaranth: All the sections are one line. Just use them as if they were old xorg?
[05:19]  * DanaG wonders: a 2-button touchpad makes sense (left+right → middle), but what benefit would a three-button one give?
[05:20] <MFe1> hmm
[05:20] <MFe1> i object to the use of "bricked" to describe a mere libc6 meltdown
[05:21] <MFe1> they can call me when they have at least overwritten their partition table with a doom wad file accidentally.
[05:21] <Black_Magic> lol i got Hardy heron working with compiz ect..
[05:21] <Black_Magic> but no freakin internet..
[05:21] <Amaranth> MFe1: it's a paperweight unless you have a live disc :)
[05:21] <DanaG> MFe1:  TestDisk to the rescue!
[05:21] <Black_Magic> its always something..
[05:21] <MFe1> DanaG: hecks yeah
[05:21] <MFe1> Amaranth: well, doesn't everyone? it has to get on there somehow
[05:22] <Amaranth> MFe1: my only live disc is gutsy beta
[05:22] <DanaG> What use IS a third button on a touchpad, when two will do?
[05:22] <MFe1> good enough
[05:22] <setuid>  I rock
[05:22] <setuid> Now my GUI is back up
[05:22] <Lilacor> nice thread
[05:22] <setuid> That glibc breakage was nothing :D
[05:22] <setuid> GIve me a harder one to fix
[05:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and here's an odd bug:  if I disable my TPM chip in my BIOS, Linux won't boot.
[05:23] <Amaranth> DanaG: ssh ;)
[05:23] <igorgue> damn it guys, you did broke Ubuntu now :D
[05:23] <DanaG> It gets to what I assume is the "load initramfs" point, then just goes blank and gets a hard lockup.
[05:23] <igorgue> its hangs in starting the "system logger"
[05:23] <igorgue> pretty uggly
[05:23] <dasKreech> setuid: Fix my X
[05:23] <setuid> dasKreech, I accept PayPal
[05:24] <dasKreech> setuid: it doesn't accept me
[05:24] <dasKreech> stupid country bias
[05:24] <setuid> I have an amazon wishlist too :D
[05:24] <setuid> I'm happy to help... what's the issue?
[05:24] <DanaG> Oh, third button for SSH?
[05:24] <dasKreech> Hmm never done stuff with amazon
[05:24] <dasKreech> how does that work?
[05:25] <ethana3> colemak is bro---
[05:25] <ethana3> oh, by window got turned on?
[05:25] <ethana3> *sigh*
[05:25] <DanaG> Hmm, do you ever need left+middle or right+middle or left+right(but-not-middle)?  Or all three at once?
[05:25] <dasKreech> ethana3: You are 3 now?
[05:25] <Amaranth> DanaG: 3 buttons means middle click is easier
[05:25] <ethana3> what?
[05:25] <ethana3> ...oh.
[05:25] <dasKreech> setuid: a) resolution is whack and b) I think I need ati driver for 3d gooeygoodness but it's ignoring
[05:26] <ethana3> something does that automatically
[05:26] <ethana3> it just.. increments it
[05:26] <setuid> dasKreech, what kind of machine?
[05:26] <chowmeined> time to fix things
[05:26] <Black_Magic> brb
[05:26] <Lilacor> wow, lots of woefully broken hardy boxen :(
[05:27] <ethana3> keyboard stuff?
[05:27] <ethana3> yeah
[05:27] <dasKreech> setuid: AMD with ATI vid card
[05:27] <Lilacor> thank goodness I'm using vmware workstation to test hardy. . .
[05:27] <ethana3> Is FF3b4 in repos /now/?
[05:27] <chowmeined> fear not! i know how to fix things
[05:27] <setuid> Are you using r300? fglrx? ati?
[05:27] <chowmeined> ethana3, are we there yet?
[05:27] <dasKreech> 9600 card no idea what driver
[05:27] <dasKreech> wait not true
[05:27] <ethana3> chowmeined: not unless FF3b4 is in repos ;)
[05:28] <dasKreech> Oh wait no true no idea what driver
[05:28] <ionstorm> has anyone seen this bug before with update manager ? http://pastebin.com/m2df359 im getting massive errors with all updates, even before the glibc6 problem
[05:28] <dasKreech> only driver listed is kbd
[05:29] <dasKreech> and my resolution appears to be 1152x864
[05:29] <DanaG> Oh hey, if'n you wanna' make your keyboard unsticky, go download the last xserver-xorg-core 1.4 (not 1.4.1) package.
[05:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[05:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[05:30] <dasKreech> setuid: I can pastebin the .conf file if you like
[05:30]  * DanaG goes off to press left+middle+right
[05:30] <DanaG> and see what happens.
[05:30] <DanaG> OOpsie, I only have two buttons.  Silly me.
[05:30] <dasKreech> i really should figure out a way to do that from cli
[05:31] <DanaG> !info pastebinit
[05:31] <dasKreech> or there should be a script :)
[05:31] <ubotu> pastebinit (source: pastebinit): command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 84 kB
[05:31]  * dasKreech whistles as he apt-gets
[05:31]  * DanaG says: aptitude aptitude aptitude.
[05:31] <setuid> I love being able to log into X and sudo with my fingerprint reader
[05:31] <setuid> that so rocks
[05:31] <DanaG> My next laptop will have one, I'm sure of it.
[05:31] <chowmeined> yay fixed
[05:32] <dasKreech> setuid: I'll take which ever one you want to tackle
[05:33] <setuid> The ATI stuff is easy
[05:33] <setuid> My T42p has ATI, and it rocks... full 3D + suspend and all the goodness
[05:33] <dasKreech> cool lets do the hard one then
[05:34] <Jordan_U> setuid, AIGLX?
[05:34] <DanaG> T42p... what GPU?
[05:34]  * DanaG wishes the Ubuntu kernel had the HP MDPS / 3D DriveGuard driver.
[05:34] <tritium> setuid: I have a T43p.  What do you use to get the fingerprint reader working?
[05:35] <DanaG> I'm pondering HP 8510p; hopefully it'll have a midrange 3-series by June or July.
[05:35] <bazhang> my thinkpad can finally hibernate and suspend--first time ever ;]
[05:35] <setuid> tritium, thinkfinger
[05:36] <setuid> And related packages
[05:36] <tritium> setuid: ah, thanks.  I'll check it out :)
[05:36]  * DanaG thinks toe instead.
[05:36] <setuid> See thinkwiki for instructions
[05:36] <igorgue> bazhang: same here with a hp pavilion :)
[05:36] <tritium> setuid: not in the repos?
[05:36] <Jordan_U> dasKreech, Going back to pastebin from the terminal, 'pastebinit'
[05:36] <igorgue> but the last update just broke my syste, :(
[05:36] <DanaG> Hmm, 3-axis accelerometer?
[05:36] <chowmeined> yes! i was able to fix my broken libc!
[05:36] <bazhang> http://www.thinkwiki.org/
[05:36] <bazhang> igorgue: sweet ;]
[05:37] <dasKreech> jorgp: Just did an apt-get for it
[05:37] <DanaG> I think the HP has a 3-axis one, with a separate "fall detected" interrupt.
[05:37] <igorgue> chowmeined: how?
[05:37] <igorgue> I have the same problem
[05:37] <dasKreech> Seveas: so resolution is ok?
[05:37] <dasKreech> setuid: So resolution is ok?
[05:37] <Jordan_U> igorgue, See the topic
[05:37] <igorgue> the libc upgrade broke my ubuntu
[05:38] <ionstorm> do /topic
[05:38] <setuid> dasKreech, Give me a sec... trying to fix my nvidia driver breakage after this libc6 mess
[05:38] <chowmeined> igorgue, i booted off my arch linux rescue cd, extracted the older version of libc6 debs on my ubuntu machine, scp'd them over to the live machine, copied everything under lib onto the mounted ubuntu disk, chroot'd into ubuntu and reinstalled the old debs properly with dpkg
[05:38] <dasKreech> setuid: groovy I'll get some water
[05:38] <chowmeined> works every time
[05:39] <ethana3> checking for updates...
[05:39] <ethana3> come on, firefox firefox firefox.......
[05:39] <DanaG> Is June considered "Second Quarter"?
[05:41] <Mfe1> still hosed
[05:41] <Amaranth> DanaG: yes
[05:41] <setuid> ah-HA! Another user who used chroot successfully
[05:41] <Amaranth> ethana3: no b4
[05:41] <Mfe1> no chroot for me :(
[05:41] <Mfe1> i'm getting /bin/bash permission denied on my old filesystem now
[05:41] <dasKreech> ok back
[05:41] <Mfe1> does libc have to be executable or something?
[05:42] <dasKreech> it's a lib so no
[05:42] <Mfe1> windows libs do, i never really paid much attention
[05:42] <Mfe1> but i don't understand the permission denid
[05:43] <Jordan_U> Mfe1, dash too?
[05:43] <Mfe1> yes, dash too
[05:44] <Mfe1> ldd shows linux-gate.so.1 is missing (?)
[05:44] <chowmeined> Mfe1, the copy was unsuccessful?
[05:44] <Mfe1> don't think so
[05:45] <Mfe1> hmm, linux-gate.so.1 is missing for the livecd /bin/bash as well
[05:45] <Mfe1> so that's probably nothing
[05:46] <DanaG> hmm.  http://www.hexus.tv/show/2008/03/EXCLUSIVE_CONTENT_AMD_Puma_3x_quicker_than_Intel_integrated/
[05:47] <ninja> whats the topic, it says read topic but, it dont say what it is
[05:47] <dasKreech> ninja: try /topic
[05:47] <ninja> dont upgrade libc6? whats that?
[05:48] <ninja> does it have anything to do with my sound not working after the upgrade?
[05:48] <RAOF> ninja: No.  It has something to do with the system being unbootable after upgrade.
[05:48] <Mfe1> maybe strace?
[05:49] <ethana3> ...nnoooooooooo.......  firefox isn't in the updates.
[05:49] <ninja> oh, any idea where i should go, i just got booted from ubuntu channel, and i was just sitting there, im having issues with sound after the upgrade
[05:49] <ethana3> i probably just don't understand the process of getting them ready...
[05:49] <dasKreech> ethana3: relax they normally come out like a week after
[05:49] <ethana3> oh
[05:49] <Mfe1> of course no  suck luck..
[05:51] <EruditeHermit>  hey, I just installed alpha 6 hardy, and I want to enable desktop effects with the ati open source driver but visual effects won't let me. It tries to install the fglrx closed driver if select the desktop effects. Is there a way around this? Also when I am typing the scim pops up and randomly changes the language.
[05:51] <dasKreech> setuid: what's the issue with nvidia?
[05:51] <ninja> anyone know where i can go to get some help? like what channel might be talking about sound going dead after upgrade?
[05:52] <Mfe1> aHA
[05:52] <dasKreech> ninja: hardy?
[05:52] <Mfe1> some of the libs ARE supposed to be 755
[05:52] <setuid> Its weird... if I unload the module, reload it, I get the proper res (1920x1200), but if I log in, log out and try to log in again... gdm recycles back until it falls back to 640x480 mode, claiming that I'm in low-res mode.
[05:52] <setuid> ninja, Use -11
[05:52] <ninja> im not sure, its 8.04
[05:52] <setuid> Sound is broken in -12
[05:52] <setuid> Known issue
[05:52] <Mfe1> yep, that fixed it
[05:52] <dasKreech> Was in the /topic till libc broke everything else
[05:52] <Mfe1> actually, it's just ONE lib
[05:52] <Mfe1> ld-2.7.so
[05:53] <setuid> dasKreech, So which driver is your xorg.conf using?
[05:53] <DanaG> -12 sound isn't broken for me.
[05:53] <ninja> thats fine, talk about libc6 all ya want, but if someone could point me in a decent direction that would be great
[05:53] <dasKreech> setuid: none
[05:53] <setuid> dasKreech, Ok, so use fglrx, and make sure you have the restricted drivers package installed
[05:54] <ninja> can i undo my upgrade?
[05:54] <RAOF> ninja: So, there are a variety of options.  The latest kernel should have sound fixed.  Failing that, you might have luck with building upstream alsa sources by installing the "module-assistant" package and running "sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source".
[05:54] <setuid> a-i?
[05:54] <chowmeined> so, this kind of seems like a silly question i guess, but are non-security related bugs still fixed after a release?
[05:55] <Mfe1> apparently when copied the libc6 packages i somehow clobbered all the permissions on those files
[05:55] <chowmeined> id guess so, but some things ive read suggested otherwise
[05:55] <dasKreech> setuid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59447/
[05:55] <Mfe1> i recommend cp -av --parents `...` /path/to/mounted/partition, rather than just cp
[05:56] <setuid> yikes
[05:56] <nandemonai> Eep! Ok I just tried a standard apt-get update and while grabbing a new version of the kernel it's gone all awry.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5650/
[05:56] <ninja> im sorry, im not trying to sound like a smart butt, but....... i have no idea what you said raof, i dont have a phd in programming and im not a trained sysadmin, just would like to get my laptop going as i cant afford windows or i wouldnt be here
[05:56] <setuid> nandemonai, /topic
[05:56] <nandemonai> ah
[05:56] <setuid> ninja, Run Gutsy
[05:56] <chowmeined> ninja, run 7.10
[05:56] <nandemonai> Hadn't noticed the new topic. Thanks.
[05:56] <RAOF> ninja: You *are* running Hardy, right?
[05:56] <ninja> i cant, ive tried the other ubuntus
[05:56] <setuid> can't?
[05:56] <setuid> I find that hard to believe
[05:56] <dasKreech> setuid: That's normal I take it :)
[05:57] <igorgue> brb, gonna try the workaround :S
[05:57] <ninja> im not sure what ubuntu version this is, its 8.04 that i know
[05:57] <igorgue> wish me luck
[05:57] <setuid> dasKreech, Well, you lack a lot of crtical detail in there
[05:57] <dasKreech> setuid: tell me about it
[05:57] <setuid> wtf is wrong with this damn nvidia driver
[05:57] <nandemonai> Oh great. :( Guess rebooting wont be an option for me as I've already run through the update=/
[05:57] <setuid> I have to rmmod it, depmod, insmod it... but when I log out of X, I have to repeat that same process again
[05:57] <RAOF> ninja: You didn't see the big warning signs saying "don't install this on production machines", and such?
[05:57] <dasKreech> I was quite intriguied by it as well
[05:57] <ninja> if it dont work with a default install i cant use it, i dont know how to install drivers and forget tarballs, i can not use those at all
[05:58] <ninja> yeah i know what alpha software is
[05:58] <chowmeined> ninja, then running hardy is also not an option
[05:58] <setuid> dasKreech, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:58] <ninja> well it all did work, untill the update
[05:58] <dasKreech> setuid: that's how I got that
[05:58] <Raspberry> I guess I should have come in here and read the topic before I just ran the upgrade
[05:58] <Raspberry> I am FUX0r'd
[05:58] <chowmeined> ninja, and thats exactly why it wont work
[05:58] <RAOF> ninja: And further upgrades will _continue_ to break it.
[05:58] <RAOF> Raspberry: LiveCDs are your friend :)
[05:59] <RAOF> Also:
[05:59] <ninja> update is what broke it
[05:59] <RAOF> !ohmy > Raspberry
[05:59] <chowmeined> ninja, yes
[05:59] <Raspberry> I was all excited because the MESA library problem that has been around since 7.0.x is FIXED!
[05:59] <Raspberry> after over 3 months
[05:59] <ninja> so theres no way to unupdate?
[05:59] <RAOF> ninja: That's right.
[05:59] <nandemonai> Raspberry, Me too :(
[06:00] <chowmeined> ninja, not a way that would be feasible for your situation
[06:00] <dasKreech> setuid: done that quite a few times with differnt parameters and it comes back like that everytime
[06:00] <Raspberry> I've upgraded and I just logged out :p
[06:00] <ninja> ok, i know this is a bad question but its my last hope, is there a distro that just has all known hardware drivers?
[06:00] <Raspberry> I shouldn'th ave :)
[06:00] <dasKreech> ninja: What doesn't work for you?
[06:01] <setuid> dasKreech, Let me pull my copy of this file out of backup
[06:01] <nandemonai> Raspberry, I'm still logged in but looks like this is a nasty one that won't be easily fixed..
[06:01] <firephoto> ninja: the latest fedora seems to work for people that need hardy for their hardware to work.
[06:01] <chowmeined> ninja, do you have any friends who know linux well that can help set it up for you?
[06:01] <ninja> sound right now, but on other distros its the ethernet, or the touchpad or the mouse or .........
[06:01] <Raspberry> I could just reinstall off the alpha6 (?) live CD
[06:01] <ninja> no i have no geek freinds, im not even a geek, even tho i try, i just dont get it lol
[06:01] <Raspberry> I have separate partitions for /home and /root and I have my /etc backup to /home every night -- so I'd just take an hour or so
[06:02] <ninja> fedora didnt like my ithernet
[06:02] <Raspberry> ethernet?
[06:02] <dasKreech> ninja: sound is a known issue it will be fixed soon
[06:02] <chowmeined> thats strange
[06:02] <ninja> opensuse, dint either
[06:02] <chowmeined> ethernet almost always works in every distro ive tried on all the computers ive tried them on
[06:02] <ninja> then you dont own an acer aspire 5570z
[06:03] <Raspberry> ah acer
[06:03] <chowmeined> oh .. them
[06:03] <Raspberry> same problem with asus crap
[06:03]  * dasKreech likes asus
[06:03] <Raspberry> they use proprietary broadcom and whatever else
[06:03]  * chowmeined dislikes broadcom
[06:03] <setuid> dasKreech, lspci | grep ATI
[06:03] <ninja> i have a heck of a time just trying to find a distro that will install on this peice of.......
[06:03] <DanaG> I have an Intel wifi card and even that is buggy.
[06:03] <Raspberry> Spend the extra money and buy IBM / Lenovo or to a lesser degree Toshiba
[06:03] <chowmeined> Raspberry, no funds available
[06:03] <ninja> and ive never seen a distro that likes my wireless, atheros
[06:03] <Raspberry> Lenovo / IBM has a very robust Open Source support network
[06:04] <setuid> ninja, atheros works flawlessly with Ubuntu
[06:04] <dasKreech> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600]
[06:04] <dasKreech> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] (Secondary)
[06:04] <setuid> Always has
[06:04] <Raspberry> and Toshiba has a site dedicated to all their drivers and explaining the hardware for linux users
[06:04] <ninja> oh well, im just going to hang here till someone else pops up with this issue
[06:04] <chowmeined> setuid, not the new ones
[06:04] <chowmeined> setuid, the ones in macbooks and eeepcs
[06:04] <ninja> your kidding right?
[06:04] <setuid> chowmeined, wrong
[06:04] <Raspberry> ninja, this is going to be an issue that you have to fix -- it won't fix itself without manually doing it or reinstalling
[06:04] <chowmeined> setuid, wrong? uh.. i had to compile from cvs to get it going
[06:04] <setuid> chowmeined, I just ordered and received two new Thinkpads this week, T61p and X61s
[06:04] <ninja> no i dont supose yall joke much about this stuff
[06:04] <setuid> Both work flawlessly from the 8.10 boot cd
[06:04] <Raspberry> I've run into a few libc6 upgrade problems in the past
[06:05] <chowmeined> setuid, your statements are completely unrelated to mine
[06:05] <DanaG> ARgh, scim breaks virtualbox.
[06:05] <setuid> You can build madwifi-ng if you want, but it's not necessary, Atheros works out of the box on Gutsy and Hardy
[06:05] <DanaG> Quite horribly.
[06:05] <Raspberry> What I really like is the fact that the IBM ThinkPad X61T series has almost identical hardware to the MacBook Pros ... So I really should get OS X running on it if Apple would ever license it for other hardware
[06:05] <chowmeined> setuid, you talk about atheros like its 1 static thing
[06:05] <chowmeined> setuid, there are countless atheros chipset versions
[06:06] <ninja> it recognises that i have atheros, but when i do stuff, it says something like no such device
[06:06] <setuid> I have 3 separate laptops, all with Atheros, all working fine
[06:06] <chowmeined> setuid, the particular revisions in 3rd generation macbooks and eeepcs dont work by default
[06:06] <chowmeined> setuid, my other laptop has an older atheros card that works fine out of the box
[06:06] <Raspberry> look slike this is the fix... http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4505451&postcount=19
[06:07] <ninja> what could i be doing wrong, or am i just that stupid?
[06:07] <chowmeined> ninja, did you connect to your wireless network?
[06:07] <dasKreech> ninja: Nope not stupid at all
[06:07] <DanaG> Aaargh.
[06:07] <ninja> i gota say that i have google and about 300 bucks worth of linux specific books, 2 on bsd and 3 on unix in general, i know nothing at all
[06:07] <setuid> Raspberry, I love the X61s... small screen, but light as fsck
[06:07] <Raspberry> i've got to do some more troubleshooting but I can't get VPN using the Network Manager working at all
[06:08] <DanaG> I couldn't type in Virtualbox, and I couldn't get it to LET GO OF MY KEYBOARD!
[06:08] <setuid> Raspberry, I tried that as well, NM sucks for vpn
[06:08] <Raspberry> setuid, I've got the tablet edition with the 8-cell battery... 6+ hrs of battery life!  I can code for a full day at a customer
[06:08] <ninja> no it says something like (when i try and configure the card) device not found, after the restricted drivers icon says it sees it, actualy there are 2 for atheros when i click it
[06:08] <chowmeined> ninja, one is probably your ethernet
[06:09] <Raspberry> setuid, and I'm using this mouse... kicks butt -- bluetooth connection and charges in your PCMCIA slot... so no more lugging around a real mouse.  http://www.newtonperipherals.com/mogo_mouseBT.html
[06:09] <ninja> shoot, i dont see the restricted drivers icon now
[06:09] <setuid> It's a thinkpad, 2 mouses are built into the keyboard!
[06:09] <setuid> And you have a touchscreen!
[06:09] <DanaG> I just use touchpad always.
[06:10] <Raspberry> setuid, no, I have the tablet edition -- just a nub, no touchpad :)
[06:10] <DanaG> Nobody makes a tablet powerful enough for me.
[06:10] <setuid> No touchscreen?
[06:10] <setuid> I thought all the x-series tablets were touchscreen
[06:10] <Raspberry> No I went for the WXGA+ screen ... 1400x1050 instead of 1024x800
[06:10] <Raspberry> the higher resolution screens are not touch
[06:10] <chowmeined> weird
[06:10] <chowmeined> where'd the restricted drivers manager go? its not under administration anymore
[06:10] <setuid> Sure they are
[06:11] <setuid> I declined that one option (larger res + touchscreen), because I needed the extra pound less in weight
[06:11] <Raspberry> look up the specs on 776298U model of the Thinkpad X61t
[06:11] <l815> anyone know how to enable 3d acceleration on intel gm965 gfx card?
[06:11] <Raspberry> l815, thjat's fixed in the latest MESA libraries that were just released tonight
[06:12] <Raspberry> l815, except if you upgrade the libc6 breaks the entire system :)
[06:12] <l815> Raspberry, are those pre-released updateS?
[06:12] <chowmeined> i have a solution
[06:12] <Raspberry> l815, could be
[06:12] <DanaG> I'd want nothing weaker than a GeForce Go 7600.
[06:12] <l815> Rasberry, must be I have them disabled atm and have no update announcement :)
[06:12] <DanaG> Thus, no tablets work for me.
[06:12] <setuid> dasKreech, http://rafb.net/p/VBHMH952.html
[06:12] <setuid> add/append that into your config
[06:13] <Raspberry> DanaG, I'd agree -- the Intel X3100 isn't as powerful as I'd like...   but I'd sacrifice gfx power for better battery life and I'm currently getting 6:30 hours typically on a charge
[06:13] <chowmeined> should i paste my apt preferences file?
[06:13] <Raspberry> DanaG, I had a toshiba m200 with a 32mb GForce Go 5200 and I was lucky if I could get 2 hrs out of the thing
[06:14] <chowmeined> that will block libc6 updates
[06:14] <l815> so every update is okay except libc6?
[06:14] <ionstorm> yes
[06:14] <l815> okay thanks
[06:14] <Raspberry> DanaG, one of my customers has the ASUS G1S with the Nvidia 8600 Mobile... can't get 2 hrs of battery out of it
[06:14] <DanaG> If I were looking for ultralight, I'd like HP's 12" business notebook.
[06:14] <l815> oh also, how can i get my gnome theme to also integrate with synaptic and some other root programs?
[06:15] <Raspberry> HP's make the worst tablet pen
[06:15] <DanaG> oh, I didn't know that.
[06:15] <Raspberry> I liked the Toshiba pen best... the IBM is ok, but the right click is very sensitive
[06:16] <Raspberry> DanaG, that ASUS G1S is a super fast machine... but it's overkill for a mobile station .. dual SATA drives, et al...  very awesome but the battery life is more for just unplugging it to walk across the room to another outlet :P
[06:16] <DanaG> I'd also pondered Asus V1S or V2S, but the battery-reporting bug is a blocker.
[06:16] <DanaG> Now I'm considering HP 8510p.
[06:17] <DanaG> And I'd get it with Intel AMT, just for the sake of experimenting with it.
[06:17] <Raspberry> I have a customer that flies all over the world and designs components for airliners  and medical companies ... so he needed a system that can render and calculate some really complex parts in Pro-Engineering and CATIA
[06:17] <Raspberry> DanaG, this thinkpad has AMT, but I haven't had a chance to play with it yet
[06:19] <Raspberry> I'm a bit concerned with the April release date
[06:19] <Raspberry> there are a lot of big bugs that need to be stopped before then
[06:20] <Raspberry> things that worked in Gutsy that have broken in Hardy
[06:21] <telexicon> yea, input auto-configuration doesnt work in hardy now
[06:22] <Raspberry> that SCIM crap really pissees me off to
[06:22] <Raspberry> too
[06:22] <Raspberry> and Xournal doesn't work in Hardy
[06:22] <Raspberry> tzdata is all messed up now
[06:22] <telexicon> tap to click, side scroll werent auto-configured
[06:22] <Raspberry> somebody @ Ubuntu needs to look at how SuSE does their control panel
[06:22] <RAOF> Raspberry: The scim crap only exists if you installed that one particular update; fresh installs don't have it (and there's work being done to make another update remove it)
[06:23] <Raspberry> RAOF, well shortly I might have a fresh install :D
[06:23] <Raspberry> I might just do a clean Alpha6 install
[06:23] <telexicon> im going to wait for beta1 in 8 days
[06:23] <telexicon> and do a clean install
[06:24] <Raspberry> SuSE is painfully slow to update
[06:24] <Raspberry> but the way they have a ton of options in the control panel and it's easy to navigate
[06:24] <telexicon> i wonder why gnome-control-center is not in the menu by default?
[06:25] <telexicon> Raspberry, have you looked at gnome-control-center?
[06:25] <Raspberry> with Hardy we don't have the ability to configure a tablet interface through the GUI... the screen res and dual display stuff doesn't really work well (does on SuSE)
[06:25] <Raspberry> telexicon, no
[06:26] <RAOF> Raspberry: Or you can just go to System->Administration->Lanugage Support and turn of support for entering complex scripts (or whatever it is).
[06:26] <Raspberry> I was griping about this earlier today, but it should also be much easier to mount network volumes / shares / et al with a few clicks and have them be persistant to the user  or to the session -- because there is a big disconnect in Nautilus where by you can get to a smb share if you open the file manager directly, but application open / save dialogs can't use SMB shares --  I see somebody has registered this as a bug
[06:27] <RAOF> Raspberry: Huzzah for gvfs!  This is _precisely_ one of the problems it's designed to solve.
[06:27] <Raspberry> I had a user who runs Vista and they love Ubuntu / Linux for configuring printers
[06:27] <RAOF> As in, very nearly word-for-word.
[06:29] <Raspberry> RAOF, cool -- because that's why I stick with KDE apps for the most part ... because KIO is amazing... I can edit files via SSH in the text editor... I can drag files between a windows share and a ssh tunnel -- it's all no brainer, but it's still stuck in the instance of the file manager... there needs to be something @ the session / user / X / whatever level :)  Right now I'm using /etc/fstab with cifs shares against a creditionals fil
[06:29] <Raspberry> e... but that's not secure if my laptop was ever stolen
[06:29] <RAOF> Raspberry: You've listed things that _I_ can do with Gnome and gnome-vfs, too :)
[06:30] <Raspberry> RAOF, please tell me how :)
[06:30] <Raspberry> I really am just trying to take an open-minded perspective to things and say  ... this is frustration for somebody that is trying to use this system GUI only
[06:31] <Raspberry> I have my girlfriend use Linux on my spare laptop
[06:31] <RAOF> Well, for the first: sftp://chris@raof.local/home/chris/foo.txt is a valid URI for a Gnome app, and does the editing via SSH thing...
[06:31] <Raspberry> and she likes it... but she comes to me with a few frustrations
[06:31] <Raspberry> RAOF, yup
[06:32] <Raspberry> I tried having my user session mount ssh (sftp) shares -- and it works ... I'm prompted for a second password (to the ssh connection) on gdm login and then I get the mounted share on my desktop, but if I use it heavily it crashes
[06:32] <Raspberry> try to stream music over it... or load a catalog of music into amarok and the share will crash
[06:32] <Raspberry> I haven't tried it in a week
[06:32] <Raspberry> so maybe it's fixed?
[06:32] <RAOF> I think that much of what KIO can do is already done with gnome-vfs (ftp, windows shares, ssh, etc).  The _cool_ new thing is gio/gvfs - it should be cross-desktop (and so be natively supported in KDE too), and it also supports a FUSE bridge, so that anything mounted with gvfs is _also_ available for use by non-gvfs apps.
[06:35] <Raspberry> there needs to be a way for a user to say ... I should be able to do "this" and find a concise explaination somewhere ... launchpad and the forums do that -- but at some point we need to have some system that can flag entries / et al as the "offical" way to do things
[06:35] <vega--> aha
[06:35] <Raspberry> kind of like Windows Online Help for Office 2007
[06:36] <Raspberry> except better
[06:36] <vega--> soooo, libc6 upgraded
[06:36] <Raspberry> by better I mean less results and more accurate
[06:37] <Raspberry> vega--, get your live CD out :0
[06:37] <l815> how do i find out if 3d acc. is enabled
[06:37] <vega--> hm, my system is still running though
[06:37] <Black_Magic> i keep getting something talking about give the default password for keyrings..?
[06:37] <Black_Magic> so i put root pass there
[06:37] <Black_Magic> and it keeps popping up..
[06:50] <gluer> just a question.. how do i prevent only libc6 from upgrading?
[06:51] <vega--> Raspberry: fixed already, didn't need a live cd, just wget old libc6 and install that
[06:51] <Raspberry> I can't get to a terminal
[06:52] <nandemonai> vega--, How did you manage that? I can't sudo and no root pass set..
[06:52] <vega--> i had a terminal open as root already
[06:52] <CicalaMvta> gluer: set libc6 on hold
[06:52] <nandemonai> Ah ok
[06:53] <vega--> so i guess i'm lucky this time :)
[06:53] <nandemonai> Meh, I'm just going to install alpha6 from scratch. My sys is a little messy from upgrading from gutsy anyway.
[06:53] <allyourrejects> nice :)  hard to check channel topic after the upgrade ;)
[06:54] <nandemonai> So I'm assuming once it's fixed updating will be a non issue right?
[06:54] <EruditeHermit> hi can anyone tell me why when using the radeon driver and trying to enable desktop effects, it wants me to install the fglrx driver?
[06:55] <vega--> i also have a root passwd so probably would have been able to su root anyway
[06:55] <AnAnt> Hello, is anyone able to upgrade libc6 today ?
[06:56] <Raspberry> AnAnt, /topic
[06:56] <vega--> AnAnt: read the topic?
[06:56]  * nandemonai points at the topic
[06:56] <AnAnt> oh ok
[06:56] <nandemonai> Oh well time to reinstall. Seeya later peoples.
[06:56] <AnAnt> ah, so they intentionally disable permission to download libc6
[06:57] <vega--> AnAnt: most likely, you are lucky if you didn't get the upgrade
[06:58] <gluer> there it is in my 67 updates, libc6
[06:58] <gluer> :-)
[06:59] <Amaranth> luckily no one can upgrade libc6 anymore
[06:59] <Amaranth> you get a 403 error when you try
[06:59] <Raspberry> I just upgraded it 3hrs ago
[06:59] <Amaranth> right, this was 'fixed' about an hour ago
[06:59] <gluer> so its cool to upgrade everything else right?
[06:59] <Amaranth> the fix being to make it not possible to download the update
[06:59] <Raspberry> right
[07:00] <Amaranth> gluer: well, as cool as it can be, i guess
[07:00] <gluer> well its alpha, things happen
[07:00] <gluer> ;-)
[07:02] <Amaranth> oh wow
[07:02] <Amaranth> some guy had a cron job setup to automatically update and upgrade every night
[07:02] <Amaranth> on hardy
[07:02] <ethana3> hmmm....
[07:02] <Amaranth> stupidest thing i've ever heard
[07:02] <jcs31> Amaranth: i just came in here to see what was up about the access denied on libc...glad the "fix" happened before i had a chance to upgrade
[07:02] <ethana3> I need a .deb of firefox3 beta4
[07:02] <Amaranth> ethana3: you need patience
[07:02] <ethana3> b3 isn't stable enough for us, and i don't want to....
[07:02] <ethana3> *sigh*
[07:03] <Raspberry> b4 runs much faster :)
[07:03] <Amaranth> Raspberry: a lot of that is PGO which our builds won't have anyway
[07:03] <Raspberry> PGO?  Pretty Graphic Output?
[07:04] <Amaranth> Profile Guided Optimization
[07:04] <Raspberry> well then ... we should have that :P
[07:04] <Amaranth> they build firefox once, run it through a series of tests while monitoring it, then that data is fed to gcc to build firefox again trying harder to optimize the hot spots from the tests
[07:04] <jcs31> anyone know of any updates to intel graphics and compiz problems...alpha6 had very sluggish compiz performance, yesterdays daily-live has no compiz support now...just looking for some news on the issue.
[07:04] <Raspberry> i'm going to call a congressional oversight commitee to review the lack of PGO in Ubuntu Firefox builds
[07:04] <Amaranth> our builds won't do that
[07:05] <ethana3> ohhhh, I see
[07:05] <Amaranth> jcs31: there was a bad release of the intel driver that disabled the bits we have setup to make compiz work
[07:05] <Raspberry> jcs31, I have the intel card (x3100) -- compiz works... the update yesterday was supposed to fix some things... OSD started working for me
[07:06] <Amaranth> it was since fixed
[07:06] <ethana3> Wait, exactly what is profile guided optimization?
[07:06] <ethana3> It sounds kind of...  vague
[07:06] <Amaranth> ethana3: I just explained it
[07:06] <Raspberry> google is your friend
[07:06] <ethana3> Like 'we make it fast if you fit our.....  profile'
[07:06] <EruditeHermit> Amaranth: do you know why the radeon driver is disabled now?
[07:06] <ethana3> well i saw what you typed..  i'll google
[07:07] <Amaranth> You build your app, profile it to see where the most used bits are, then build it again with the compiler focusing on optimizing those bits
[07:07] <Raspberry> so does linux not fit the profile... or is it a ubuntu build thing?
[07:07] <Amaranth> ubuntu build thing, the releases from mozilla will have it
[07:07] <Amaranth> afaik the profiling requires internet access which the build server does not allow
[07:08] <Ng> ah good, it's topic'd :)
[07:08] <Raspberry> let me know when you're tired of my questions
[07:08] <Amaranth> even then it would make the build take like 3x as long
[07:08] <Raspberry> but ... does ubuntu build from source?  why not just package the binaries?
[07:08] <Raspberry> or doesn't that matter because it'd have to be compiled on every user's computer
[07:08] <Amaranth> what could be done is to add a command to debian/rules to generate the profile then include the prebuilt profile in the source package for the build server to run with
[07:09] <Amaranth> we always build from source
[07:09] <Amaranth> always
[07:09] <shirish> !kernel
[07:09] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[07:09] <Amaranth> well, unless we can't
[07:09] <Raspberry> a hack gentoo kinda thating :P  offer two packages -- one firefox pre-build and one firefox-optimized
[07:09] <Amaranth> for things like nvidia, fglrx, etc
[07:09] <Raspberry> thating --> thing
[07:10] <Raspberry> optimized being built on the user's computer and pre-build being standard
[07:10] <Amaranth> Raspberry: a package made from the upstream binaries would most likely not be accepted into the archive
[07:10] <Amaranth> no need to build on the user's computer
[07:10] <shirish> damn I think I've got the same issue, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886
[07:10] <Amaranth> that's gentoo crack
[07:10] <Raspberry> ah
[07:10] <pengo> ummmmmmmmmmm in order to upgrade the package xserver-xorg-video-intel (from hardy, cause it includes overlay support finally), synaptic wants me to remove, ubuntu-desktop, xorg, and xserver-xorg ... is that as stupid an idea as it sounds?
[07:10] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: s/not be.*/get the uploader shot/
[07:10] <Amaranth> pengo: those are metapackages
[07:10] <Raspberry> pengo,  hmm interesting...
[07:10] <Raspberry> pengo, yeah they're meta packages -- so you can force remove them and then re-add them installing intel
[07:11] <Fujitsu> pengo: Are you suggesting you want to install Hardy's -intel on Gutsy?
[07:11] <pengo> Amaranth: ther'es a whole list of xserver-xorg packages listed too e,g. -core
[07:11] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, good question :)  I couldn't get that to work :D
[07:11] <pengo> Fujitsu: is that a bad idea? :)
[07:11] <EruditeHermit> pengo: es
[07:11] <EruditeHermit> pengo: yes
[07:11] <Fujitsu> pengo: Very.
[07:11] <Fujitsu> It's trying to remove them all for a reason...
[07:11] <EruditeHermit> pengo: don't do it
[07:12] <Raspberry> pengo, that's why I'm running Hardy now -- I couldn't get that to work... there are some major changes to X between Gutsy and Hardy
[07:12] <ethana3> Amaranth: ...interesting.....
[07:12] <Raspberry> pengo, just upgrade to Hardy Alpha 6... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[07:12] <Amaranth> Raspberry: like a whole new X server release...
[07:12] <pengo> Raspberry: that answers my next question.. thanks
[07:12] <Raspberry> pengo, I've found it's been a lot less buggy than Gutsy was for me
[07:12] <Raspberry> Amaranth, yeah :)
[07:12] <Amaranth> Raspberry: except of course for today :)
[07:13] <nandemonai> heh
[07:13] <pungent> is kubuntu kde4 as good as opensuses kde4 version?
[07:13] <Raspberry> I was running gutsy but I found lot sof bugs and the maintainers kept flagging everything "wont fix" with "will fix in hardy" or "fixed in hardy" and that really frustrated me
[07:13] <Raspberry> pungent, no
[07:13] <pungent> last time I installed kubuntu kde4, i threw up a bit in my mouth
[07:13] <Raspberry> well it doesn't work properly with dual monitors
[07:13] <pungent> :-P
[07:13] <pengo> is it possible to just do a synaptic upgrade to get to hardy a6 ?
[07:14] <nandemonai> Any idea how ling it will take to fix libc6? Just curious how to put off upgrades once I have Alpha 6 reinstalled.
[07:14] <nandemonai> *long
[07:14] <Fujitsu> nandemonai: The upgrade is now unavailable.
[07:14] <Raspberry> nandemonai, they're disabled upgrading libc6 so you should be able to continue to run updates
[07:14] <nandemonai> Ahh ok.
[07:14] <nandemonai> Thanks.
[07:14] <pungent> i borked my hardy install and was wondering if its worth it to upgrade to kubuntu kde4
[07:14] <Amaranth> Raspberry: not quite, the upgrade will iirc bail out
[07:14] <Raspberry> kinda weird in here tonight... multiple people actually being helpful
[07:14] <Fujitsu> You won't be able to upgrade to Hardy until it's fixed, but you can't break your system.
[07:15] <Raspberry> Amaranth, that's what my update did 3 hrs ago and my system was still borked
[07:15] <Amaranth> Raspberry: unless you explicitly exclude libc6 from the list of packages to upgrade
[07:15] <pengo> or i should ask.. if i want to keep all my installed apps and settings.. can i still upgrade to hardy alpha?
[07:15] <Raspberry> Amaranth, said errors install libc6 and 3 other packages
[07:15] <Amaranth> no, i mean the upgrade will fail before it even tries to install anything
[07:15] <Amaranth> because it couldn't download everything
[07:15] <Raspberry> pengo, I'd just back things up and install fresh
[07:15] <Fujitsu> pengo: Not right now, but otherwise yes.
[07:15] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Why?
[07:16] <Fujitsu> This isn't Windows.
[07:16] <Raspberry> thank god
[07:16] <pengo> Fujitsu: ok.. i'll wait then.. thanks very much for your help (everyone)
[07:16] <shirish> Amaranth: can u look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5652/ & tell me if I'm saved or I have the breakage as well :(
[07:16] <Fujitsu> shirish: That's the fix you see there.
[07:16] <Fujitsu> So you're safe.
[07:16] <Amaranth> shirish: you're safe, you got caught by the fix
[07:16] <Raspberry> shirish, if you can't open apps ... and if you reboot and you can't log in  -- then you're broken :)
[07:16] <Amaranth> the fix was to make the package unavailable
[07:16] <Fujitsu> It's an utter hack of a fix, but it's effective.
[07:17] <Amaranth> faster than a new upload
[07:17] <Raspberry> well I'm going to play guitar while I burn a live cd
[07:17] <shirish> Amaranth: ah good, although one part of the package did slip through in safe-upgrade, it was a libc6 component though
[07:17] <Raspberry> this libc6 issue reminds me of running Debian all over again :p
[07:17] <pungent> i've got my hardy install borked by and upgrade. is this what everyone else is referring to?
[07:17] <Amaranth> funnily enough, the problem was caused by someone trying to resync our libc6 to debian :P
[07:18] <Amaranth> pungent: yes, /topic
[07:18] <pungent> ha ha
[07:18] <nandemonai> Actually a thought occurs.. I'm updating from my isp mirror, will the 'hack' to make libc6 unavailable work there too?
[07:18] <Amaranth> hrm, i dunno how that works
[07:19] <Amaranth> this hack is usually used for post release updates that go bad
[07:19] <Amaranth> and afaik they all come from the main repo, not a mirror
[07:19] <pungent> nandemonai: the only way to find out is to try :-P
[07:19] <Amaranth> pungent: how about no :P
[07:19] <pungent> try downloading it
[07:19] <Amaranth> nandemonai: when in doubt, do nothing :)
[07:19] <nandemonai> I might just play it safe yes and hold on updates for a while :P
[07:20] <Amaranth> just wait for the next version of libc6, i imagine we'll have it in less than 6 hours
[07:20] <nandemonai> Oh that soon? easy. Thanks again.
[07:20] <pungent> one could try to just download for the sake of science
[07:20] <pungent> :-P
[07:20] <Amaranth> well, hopefully
[07:20] <DanaG> --download-only FTW!
[07:20] <DanaG> (for the win)
[07:21] <pungent> yup
[07:21] <DanaG> Good night, must go to bed.
[07:22] <pengo> what's the (estimated) release date for hardy?
[07:23] <Fujitsu> !hardy
[07:23] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[07:23] <Fujitsu> Bah, there's no release schedule in there :(
[07:23] <Fujitsu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[07:23] <Amaranth> april 24th
[07:24] <pengo> damn that's ages
[07:24] <pengo> can't the developers simply not sleep?
[07:25] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> pengo, good idea
[07:25]  * Fujitsu decommissions his bed.
[07:26] <pengo> i'm glad everyone agrees
[07:30] <nandemonai> lol poor devs. At least let them sleep in shifts :P
[07:30] <savvas00> bah, now they tell me
[07:30] <EruditeHermit> what does LP: #197135 mean?
[07:30] <Fujitsu> savvas00: Heh heh heh.
[07:30] <EruditeHermit> is that a bug number?
[07:30] <savvas00> bug 197135
[07:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197135 in compiz "need to blacklist xpress200m when using ati driver" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197135
[07:30] <Fujitsu> EruditeHermit: It means the upload fixes Launchpad bug #197135
[07:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197135 in compiz "need to blacklist xpress200m when using ati driver" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197135
[07:31] <savvas00> Fujitsu: i'm talking about the libc6 problem :p
[07:31] <Fujitsu> savvas00: I guessed.
[07:31] <pengo> savvas00: you look at the topic? :)
[07:32] <savvas00> pengo: right now, after I upgraded :p
[07:32] <pengo> :p
[07:32] <Raspberry> is there no fix for this horrible brightness issue with Laptops?
[07:32] <nandemonai> Likewise savvas00. :)
[07:32] <Raspberry> new as of kernel -11
[07:32] <Raspberry> and even persistant on the live cd
[07:33] <savvas00> um so ok, which package files should I use?
[07:33] <EruditeHermit> is there a repository to get packages that have been replaced in a repository?
[07:33] <EruditeHermit> old versions of a package?
[07:33] <Raspberry> ok
[07:33] <Raspberry> really the topic
[07:33] <Raspberry> it gives you a link
[07:33] <Raspberry> really, READ
[07:33] <Raspberry> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4505451&postcount=19
[07:34] <Raspberry> that's for those of you motivated enough to install hardy but too lazy to read the topic or the link
[07:34] <savvas00> Raspberry: i really READ it, it doesn't say WHICH package files' version to manually copy over, the updated or the old working one
[07:34] <Raspberry> what does STEP 4 say?
[07:34] <Raspberry> 4 through 8
[07:34] <savvas00> meh
[07:35] <qzio> is there an estiamte on when 2.7-10ubuntu1 or something will be realesed?
[07:35] <savvas00> didn't get to that :P
[07:35] <teamcobra> hrmmm, the libc6-i386_2.7-9ubuntu1_amd64 package seems broken (403 forbidden on the site, unless that means that the file hasn't been fully committed yet)
[07:35] <Raspberry> teamcobra, read the topic
[07:35] <Raspberry> libc6 is broken
[07:35] <teamcobra> ohh
[07:36] <Raspberry> not being able to download the broken libc6 saves you from having to mount a live CD and restore the old version of libc ... which I am doing right now
[07:36] <Raspberry> i'm not a big private msg person.. but maybe private msg everybody as they join :p
[07:36] <teamcobra> yeah, I didn't have any version installed, it seems
[07:37] <teamcobra> just did a fresh amd64 install, was installing ia32-libs
[07:37] <savvas00> ouch
[07:39] <savvas00> and to think some people were bashing fedora for using python based package manager :p
[07:39] <Fujitsu> savvas00: But you can't run Python without libc6 either...
[07:39] <savvas00> really? well, that sucks
[07:40] <Fujitsu> The reference Python interpreter is written in C, you might like to note.
[07:41] <savvas00> so they have two problem areas if something goes wrong heheh
[07:41] <yeager> i just hit the libc thing.. arghh
[07:42] <Fujitsu> yeager: This is a good reason to sit in here and watch mailing lists.
[07:43] <yeager> living on the edge :)
[07:44] <AnAnt> Hello, I am using vga= in boot, when I upgraded to kernel 2.6.24-12, I get blank tty
[07:44] <Raspberry> you know what's odd
[07:45] <Fujitsu> 3
[07:45] <Raspberry> the 64-bit packages are libc6-i386_amd64
[07:45] <ionstorm> libc fix0r?
[07:46] <gluer> i feel like hooking up my projector and spinning the cube...
[07:46] <gluer> ;-)
[07:46] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: The normal amd64 libc6 is just libc6.
[07:46] <nandemonai> Hmm, the gui installer on the livecd is stuck after 'Migrate Documents and Settings' (I didn't check anything, XP install on another partition though)
[07:49] <gluer> q: is there anyway of getting a windows usb tv tuner working on hardy?
[07:49] <Raspberry> hmm -- it's mounting my root partition as read only
[07:49] <Raspberry> :P
[07:51] <savvas00>   Installed: 2.7-5ubuntu2
[07:51] <savvas00>   Candidate: 2.7-9ubuntu1
[07:51] <savvas00> I'm off to boot :P
[07:53] <telexicon> oh good
[07:54] <telexicon> they took the libc down?
[07:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> telexicon, confirm
[07:54] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Pretty much.
[07:54] <telexicon> good
[07:55] <telexicon> i pinned the old version in my apt preferences file for now
[07:55] <allyourrejects> blocked download.  Which is keeping upgrade from working
[07:55] <allyourrejects> telexicon: how do you do that?
[07:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the libxcb lock that breaks java got fixed?
[07:55] <telexicon> [Hardy]TuTUXG, ohh did it? good cause that was causing me issues
[07:55] <telexicon> allyourrejects, one sec
[07:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> telexicon, not quit sure, it seems to be, need confirmation
[07:56] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> quite*
[07:57] <bmz> does hardy automagically select the closest geographic apt mirror?
[07:57] <telexicon> this will force apt to use the older working version of libc6
[07:57] <Raspberry> no
[07:57] <telexicon> http://rafb.net/p/GaxFFK59.html
[07:57] <telexicon> im only on 32bit so i dont know what else you want for 64bit
[07:57] <allyourrejects> i see, great. thanks
[07:57] <Raspberry> hmm any suggestions for getting my root partition to mount rw instead of read-only
[07:58] <Raspberry> from a live Cd :)
[07:58] <telexicon> Raspberry, mount -o remount,rw /
[07:58] <telexicon> Raspberry, perhaps you need to run an fsck?
[07:58] <AnAnt> Hello, regarding bug #129910
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in linux "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[07:58] <AnAnt> I used to use the workaround, and it worked untill I upgraded to linux kernel 2.6.24-12
[07:58] <bmz> I am using hardy and the mirror selected for me is pretty much non responsive.
[07:59] <AnAnt> the workaround was commenting out the framebuffer modules in blacklist file
[07:59] <bmz> is http://au.archive.ubuntu.com slow for anyone else here?
[07:59] <Fujitsu> bmz: It was down for me earlier.
[07:59] <Fujitsu> So it's quite plausible that it would be slow.
[07:59] <allyourrejects> bmz: the mirrors also rotate. there are multiple au.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:59] <AnAnt> and and adding vesafb, fbcon to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[07:59] <Raspberry> telexicon, says the partition is fine :0
[08:00] <allyourrejects> i have the same problem with us.archive.ubuntu.com, sometimes I have to kill the download and rerun apt to get a faster mirror
[08:00] <Fujitsu> allyourrejects: WRong.
[08:00] <Fujitsu> Not for au.
[08:00] <bmz> Fujitsu: I wrestled with it last night as well, timeouts and general slowness.
[08:00] <Fujitsu> Nor most.
[08:00] <allyourrejects> oh, nvrmind then. just thought that was normal setup
[08:01] <Fujitsu> allyourrejects: us.a.u.c points to a.u.c, which handles a lot of load, so has multiple hosts.
[08:01] <bmz> I like mirrors... but if they don't work what is the point
[08:02] <Fujitsu> bmz: Blame Optus.
[08:02] <bmz> Fujitsu: if they manage it or the network it is on then that explains a bit.
[08:03] <Fujitsu> bmz: They manage both.
[08:03] <Fujitsu> I'm on an Optus 'net connection, and it often sucks from here.
[08:04] <ionstorm> someone marked https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/201685 as a duplicate of the libc bug and IT IS NOT A DUPLICATE
[08:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201685 in dpkg "[HARDY] update-manager spamming GLib-GObject-CRITICAL errors (dup-of: 201673)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "Hardy: "invalid pointer: 0xb7ef4b70" no program will start." [Critical,Confirmed]
[08:04] <bmz> Fujitsu: perceptions matter, I'd look at moving the mirror.
[08:04] <Raspberry> I can't just drop the files in from the old packages
[08:04] <Raspberry> because of all the symlinks to the lib64 directory
[08:04] <Raspberry> argh!@#!@ :P
[08:04] <Fujitsu> bmz: It has been shuffled between various different people.
[08:05] <Fujitsu> ionstorm: Mark it as not a duplicate, then.
[08:05] <ionstorm> how
[08:05] <Fujitsu> `Mark as duplicate', and empty the box.
[08:05] <ionstorm> k
[08:05] <ionstorm> thnx
[08:07] <Fujitsu> ionstorm: Please refrain from nominating such things for Hardy.
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Or any other release.
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Nominations serve a specific purpose, and that's not it.
[08:07] <ionstorm> ok
[08:08] <Fujitsu> It's particularly ineffective when people nominate all of their bugs for every release.
[08:09] <ionstorm> Fujitsu, thanks for the advice
[08:09] <Raspberry> hmm
[08:09] <Raspberry> with the amd64 libc6 break
[08:09] <Fujitsu> ionstorm: Thankyou for listening and making our jobs easy.
[08:09] <Fujitsu> *easier
[08:09] <allyourrejects> Raspberry: it was 32bit also
[08:09] <Raspberry> I can only seem to run "cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6 | xargs` /path/to/root
[08:09] <Raspberry> there is no other libc6-i386 or libc-i686 package that will work
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: You may not need the others, then.
[08:10] <Raspberry> but there are two libc6 packages installed
[08:10] <Fujitsu> What is the other?
[08:10] <Raspberry> there's a libc6-amd64 and a libc6-i386 installed
[08:10] <Raspberry> but when trying to do the cp it doesn't recogize either ... just straight libc6
[08:11] <Raspberry> I can try to reboot and just see if it works
[08:11] <allyourrejects> mine didn't
[08:11] <Raspberry> I mean , I can get to my data and if I need to reinstall, I will
[08:11] <Fujitsu> I suggest that.
[08:11] <allyourrejects> reinstalling now
[08:11] <allyourrejects> but many say that it did work on the forums
[08:11] <Fujitsu> Why reinstall when you can wait a few hours?
[08:11] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I can't even log in
[08:11] <allyourrejects> how am i suppose to install the new .deb?
[08:11] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I'm aware.
[08:12] <Fujitsu> allyourrejects: Extract the deb manually, perhaps.
[08:12] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, so I don't know how we could push to a new deb later like allyourrejects notes
[08:12] <Fujitsu> Or just replace the broken files, then upgrade to the new package properly.
[08:12] <Raspberry> i tried replacing the files manually but there were lots of issues with the lib64 directory and all the symlinks
[08:12] <allyourrejects> i suppose i could do that
[08:12] <Fujitsu> *properly after rebooting.
[08:13] <allyourrejects> but, i'm very.. clean. and i like my system to be 100% clean ;)
[08:13] <Raspberry> allyourrejects, you're running an alpha release
[08:13] <allyourrejects> doesn't mean its not clean
[08:13] <Fujitsu> So do I. I don't see how it compromises cleanness for more than a few hours.
[08:13] <Raspberry> this brightness getting set to 0 thing is really annoying
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Intel?
[08:13] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, yeah
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Dell?
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Or Thinkpad?
[08:13] <Raspberry> broke after kernel -11  thinkpad x61t
[08:13] <allyourrejects> Fujitsu: even the idea that some crud could be left over from the copy, i'll just reinstall easy enough
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Ah yes, I saw some stuff about that.
[08:13] <telexicon> whos bad idea was that
[08:14] <Fujitsu> It's known.
[08:14] <telexicon> ubuntustats account doesnt match launchpad account?
[08:14] <Raspberry> all the brightness stuff worked up until alpha5 -- yeah, I chimed in on the bugs
[08:14] <telexicon> er.. ubuntu brainstorm*
[08:14] <Fujitsu> telexicon: It's being worked on.
[08:14] <Fujitsu> It requires some supporting functionality from Launchpad which isn't quite done yet.
[08:14] <telexicon> oh
[08:14] <Raspberry> the libc6 issue seems to be fixed with the cp --parents libc6... still waiting for everything to start up
[08:15] <telexicon> Raspberry, you can test without rebooting by doing a chroot
[08:15] <Raspberry> telexicon, yeah I saw that :)
[08:16] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: If that doesn't work, there's something very, very wrong.
[08:16] <Raspberry> should I purge the bad libc6 out of my archive cache or just wait a few hrs until it's skipped completely
[08:17] <Raspberry> I'd like to install the other 82 updates
[08:17] <telexicon> Raspberry, use apt preferences file
[08:17] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Safest to remove it from the cache, though you won't be able to upgrade automatically afterwards.
[08:17] <Fujitsu> Unless you do as telexicon said.
[08:17] <Raspberry> telexicon, I saw your apt prefs file
[08:19] <Raspberry> I think for amd64 I have to do libc6-i386 instead of i686
[08:21] <XiXaQ> can someone help me confirm my bug? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/gnome-screensaver/filelist refers to files in /usr/share/screensavers, but I have no such directory.. Do you?
[08:21] <Raspberry> so do I pull that stuff out of the preferences file tomorrow?  or is there something with the Pin-Priority that llows it to update again later?
[08:25] <vega--> XiXaQ: where do you see /usr/share/screensavers in that list?
[08:26] <XiXaQ> hehe, thank you.. I guess I've been at it for too long.. :)
[08:26] <XiXaQ> i forgot applications. :)
[08:27] <mithro> oh why does my fonts look like arse now? I can barely use my computer :(
[08:28] <YazzY> hi guys
[08:28] <YazzY> i've some issues with hardy update from today
[08:28] <YazzY> i get lots of issues witrh free()
[08:28] <YazzY> like when running sudo: *** glibc detected *** sudo: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7d84b70 ***
[08:28] <YazzY> applications dont start
[08:29] <YazzY> I can't even su -
[08:29] <oxigen> dang :/ i can't boot any more :(
[08:30] <YazzY> it just says:
[08:30] <YazzY> malloc: unknown:0: assertion botched
[08:30] <YazzY> free: called with unallocated block argument
[08:30] <YazzY> Aborting...
[08:30] <telexicon> YazzY, yea dont update
[08:30] <YazzY> telexicon: i need to know hwo to fix it now
[08:30] <oxigen> i saw warning too late :(
[08:30] <telexicon> YazzY, manually copy over the older version of libc6
[08:31] <telexicon> YazzY, you'll have to use a livecd
[08:31] <telexicon> YazzY, or reinstall
[08:31] <YazzY> ah, it's the libc6
[08:31] <henkjan> hmm, lucky me
[08:31] <henkjan> most days i first look at the topic in #ubuntu+1 before dist-upgrading :)
[08:31] <mithro> brb
[08:33] <ethana3> oh joy
[08:34] <gordonjcp> wtf
[08:34] <gordonjcp> can't they test the packages before they release?
[08:34] <ethana3> gordon
[08:34] <ethana3> you are the guinea pig.
[08:34] <gordonjcp> development != broken
[08:35] <ethana3> true
[08:35] <ethana3> perhaps they should have one test machine
[08:35] <ethana3> ok, so if i screwed over my system with libc6
[08:35] <ethana3> and do not have a recent livecd...
[08:35] <ethana3> is there a .deb i can install to override the updated one?
[08:36] <YazzY> ethana3: can you even sudo ?
[08:36] <YazzY> i cant
[08:36] <ethana3> nope'
[08:36] <gordonjcp> although I suppose if they haven't got a stable version of Gutsy yet, what chance has Hardy got?
[08:36] <ethana3> terminal won't open
[08:36] <YazzY> exactly
[08:36] <ethana3> heh
[08:36] <YazzY> konsole works here
[08:36] <ethana3> that's actually why i upgraded
[08:36] <ethana3> i do have kde4.....
[08:37] <YazzY> gordonjcp: stick to freebsd for stability then ;)
[08:37] <ethana3> by the way, hardy actually does have a chance
[08:38] <ethana3> back in gutsy
[08:38] <ethana3> GPU people hadn't started throwing specs at us yet
[08:38] <Fujitsu> gordonjcp: Where is the instability in Gutsy? Hardy is allowed to be broken.
[08:38] <ethana3> Fujitsu: everywhere
[08:38] <ethana3> probably X
[08:38] <Fujitsu> ethana3: `everywhere'.How very useful.
[08:39] <ethana3> indeed.
[08:39] <YazzY> xen doesnt work either
[08:39] <ethana3> ...which is why i'm on Hardy now
[08:39] <YazzY> thats why i upgraded to hardy
[08:39] <ethana3> so basically
[08:39] <YazzY> Fujitsu: everything coredumped with xen kernels
[08:40] <ethana3> we all upgraded because we saw no other way to get the latest working stable drivers for our stuff
[08:41] <Raspberry> which was my complaint against Gutsy too
[08:41] <savvas00> hrm..
[08:41] <ethana3> that's a good thing maybe kinda
[08:41] <Raspberry> lots of things didn't work and the devs said, we're not going to fix it ... it'll be fixed in Hardy
[08:41] <savvas00> Raspberry: did you manage to fix it?
[08:41] <ethana3> hardware support got so much better we all had to have the new thing
[08:41] <Raspberry> savvas00, the libc6 thing?
[08:42] <Fujitsu> YazzY: That's Xen. Xen is thpecial.
[08:42] <Raspberry> yes -- I booted from a livecd and did the cp --parents command that is listed in the topic's link
[08:42] <Fujitsu> Though I'm using it fine on Gutsy.
[08:42] <Fujitsu> With insane load on 4 CPUs.
[08:42] <Raspberry> so I haven't used KVM
[08:42] <ethana3> userful won't let me do ctrl+alt+F2...
[08:42] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: We only fix very nasty bugs in previous releases.
[08:42] <zenmae> I just got an error from updating libc, --configure gives segmentation fault
[08:43] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, last time I check Gutsy was the current release ;)
[08:43] <Fujitsu> If we fixed all bugs in previous releases, there'd be no point having a development release in the first place. And we don't have enough manpower.
[08:43] <ethana3> uhhhhh
[08:43] <ethana3> Get Google in on it
[08:43] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: It's not the development release. Therefore it comes under my definition of previous.
[08:43] <ethana3> They'd love to help
[08:43] <ethana3> and they'd rock
[08:43] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I know :)  I appreciate the work ... but having it take 3 months to fix OpenGL / MESA is kinda ridiculous
[08:44] <Raspberry> that is working now
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: What's broken about it?
[08:44] <savvas00> I get a vol_id problem now during bootup
[08:44] <Raspberry> with the new Mesa packages from tonight
[08:44] <ethana3> Broken is to be expected
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Is this Gutsy or Hardy?
[08:44] <ethana3> broken != my system is hosed
[08:44] <telexicon> oh
[08:44] <Fujitsu> ethana3: Why not?
[08:44] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, broken in both -- still broken in Gutsy ... but now fixed in Hardy as of todya
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Why can't it eat your hat?
[08:44] <telexicon> so bugs _arent_ fixed after a version is released
[08:44] <ethana3> because it's a matter of who fixes it
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Not for all graphics adapters, though.
[08:44] <telexicon> see i had a sneaking suspicion that that was the case
[08:44] <ethana3> i just update again if something's 'broken'
[08:45] <Fujitsu> telexicon: They are, but only important ones.
[08:45] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, just graphic drivers using the MESA libraries
[08:45] <telexicon> thats lousy
[08:45] <Raspberry> which apparently doesn't effect nvidia since they bundle their own glx
[08:45] <telexicon> stupid annoying bugs are important too
[08:45] <heanol> where can i find a recent, working libc6 package to replace my broken with?
[08:45] <ethana3> Am I correct in saying that this libc6 thing /will/ require direct intervention on my part?
[08:45] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Uh, I use OpenGL on Intel-based Gutsy machines everywhere.
[08:45] <Raspberry> heanol, follow the link in the topic
[08:45] <telexicon> ethana3, yes
[08:45] <Fujitsu> telexicon: But there is a risk of regressions, and a lack of manpower, etc.
[08:45] <ethana3> ok then, best be starting...
[08:46] <telexicon> Fujitsu, well when it already crashes
[08:46] <ethana3> !topic
[08:46] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[08:46] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, really? try using an app like Return to Castle Wolfenstein that makes use of the 3d libraries and it will dump X
[08:46] <ethana3> i can't copy that link with pidgin
[08:46] <malnilion> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886
[08:46] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, maybe it's only with the 945 thru 965 cards
[08:46] <ethana3> so if i close an app... it's not coming back.
[08:46] <ethana3> thank you
[08:47] <telexicon> how many ubuntu developers are there?
[08:47] <Raspberry> they weren't even going to fix it in Hardy until I personally had to make a big deal about the fix being released a month and a half ago
[08:47] <Raspberry> then it was fixed in two weeks
[08:47] <Fujitsu> telexicon: A little over 100, but most are inactive.
[08:47] <Raspberry> they set it to "won't fix..." with an explaination of "it's a bug in MESA... not our problem"
[08:47] <telexicon> how many canonical employed developers are there?
[08:47] <Fujitsu> Or only a little active (like me, though I do a fair bit of security stuff)
[08:48] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Good question. I'm not quite sure.
[08:48] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I doubt that.
[08:48] <Raspberry> then I went and looked throug hthe MESA bugs on freedesktop and they had released a fix a month in January -- and it only took me 30 seconds to find... I posted the link and they changed the bug from "won't fix" to "alpha5" then "alpha6" then "beta1"
[08:48] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, i'll pull up the bug for ya
[08:49] <telexicon> xnest is broken in hardy too
[08:49] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Have you filed a bug?
[08:49] <oxigen> dang, i really dont like to spend 14 days again with all this installing... now i have additional problem because i'm on 64 bit and rt version, any solution for this?
[08:49] <oxigen> doh
[08:49] <telexicon> well no  its the gdmflexiserver --xnest
[08:50] <telexicon> ok ill go file a bug
[08:50] <Raspberry> !bug 178292
[08:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178292 in mesa "3D-Accelerated Games cause X to crash with Intel Driver" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178292
[08:50] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Thankyou. We can't fix things if we don't know they're broken.
[08:50] <Raspberry> I don't know if ou can look at the history of the status changes and Importance
[08:50] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: /me looks. BRW, you don't need the ! at the start.
[08:50] <telexicon> Fujitsu, should i file two bugs? because it seems there are two issues
[08:50] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, k :)
[08:50] <Fujitsu> You can, to an extent, see the history of changes to a bug.
[08:51] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Sure, if there are actually two issues.
[08:51] <telexicon> Fujitsu, one that key responses seem to be messed up, i notice it when typing my password, repeating some characters multiple times gets ignored every other time
[08:51] <Fujitsu> telexicon: When holding keys down, or also when pressing them each time?
[08:51] <telexicon> Fujitsu, and then after logging in, it doesnt start gnome-session, it just goes back to the login prompt
[08:52] <telexicon> Fujitsu, pressing them each time
[08:52] <telexicon> Fujitsu, i have to press it 3 times to get the 2 characters
[08:52] <savvas00> hah, the new kernel wasn't installed correctly
[08:52] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Were you referring to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/178292/comments/5?
[08:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178292 in mesa "3D-Accelerated Games cause X to crash with Intel Driver" [Medium,Fix released]
[08:52] <savvas00> let's hope chroot fixes it
[08:52] <telexicon> Fujitsu, so if that sounds like 2 bugs, then ill file 2 reports
[08:52] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Yep, file 2.
[08:53] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, no.  this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/178292/comments/22
[08:53] <Raspberry> that's my comment
[08:53] <Raspberry> I actually linked to the upstream bugfix
[08:54] <Raspberry> it is a real pain to compile MESA / Intel drivers from git
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I meant the comment where they marked it as Won't Fix, and said it was MESA's problem.
[08:54] <Raspberry> ah ... comment 5 was a it's not a wine issue
[08:55] <Griswold> There a Wine problem?
[08:55] <Raspberry> they must have changed it to Won't Fix around the 28th or 29th of february... because that's when my "here's the fix" post was submitted :P
[08:55] <malnilion> Hehe, looks like Gris has his client set to hilite on mention of wine :)
[08:55] <Griswold> Heh :p
[08:55] <Griswold> I do some Wine development
[08:56] <Griswold> Mainly trying to fix up out cursor code
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I see it was set to Invalid at one point.
[08:56] <malnilion> Griswold, that sounds like a good thing :)
[08:56] <Griswold> malnilion, Yeah :)
[08:56] <Fujitsu> But that's only because it was a bug in the mesa package, rather than the -intel driver. That's not ignoring it, that's moving it to where the right Ubuntu developers will see it.
[08:57] <Griswold> I am also implementing some stuff for YokoZar (the Ubuntu Wine packager)
[08:57] <Fujitsu> You would have probably got an `Also affects: mesa (Ubuntu)' at the bottom of the email changing it to Invalid.
[08:57] <malnilion> Griswold, will the cursor eventually not change to the ugly windows-esque cursor?
[08:57] <Griswold> malnilion, Eventually :)
[08:57] <Griswold> But that is a long ways off.  :\
[08:57] <Griswold> Need to move a bunch of code around and rewrite some of it before that happens
[08:58] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, sorry look at this one... maybe this is the one that they flagged as "Won't Fix" :P  bug 120834
[08:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120834 in mesa "intel gm965 freezes with 3d applications" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120834
[08:58] <Raspberry> I think I might have made the initial bug I sent you a duplicate of this one
[08:59] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Can't see it there either.
[08:59] <Griswold> malnilion, Am working on fixing some other stuff first - namely animated cursors and out cursor/icon loading code
[09:00] <Raspberry> basically the bug they linked to had a link to another bug that had the fix since early January ... and I know these were all set to won't fix because they said they were waiting for the upstream to fix it
[09:00] <Raspberry> but it was already fixed upstream
[09:00] <malnilion> Griswold, that'll be good for the time being :D
[09:00] <Raspberry> apparently it was forked? or not commited to the stable trunk ... something like that
[09:00] <Raspberry> I just tested things though -- and 3d is now working
[09:01] <Griswold> Sometimes Wine gets confused with whether we have a cursor or an icon and gives a slightly wrong offset for the bitmap header, and then it crashes games like FEAR
[09:01] <Raspberry> although I still only get 2.2fps in Tux Racer :)
[09:01] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: That's debateably a valid use of Won't Fix, but there's no one opinion on whether it's right.
[09:01] <Griswold> (Only program I have seen, actually, that *crashes* because of the failed cursor load)
[09:01] <Griswold> Don't expect animated cursor support anytime soon, though.
[09:01] <Griswold> I have to move a lot of code around before I can really write that
[09:02] <Fujitsu> Won't Fix might mean it's intended behaviour, or it could really mean Won't Fix Here (ie. it's upstream's problem)...
[09:02] <telexicon> but what do you do if it is the upstreams problem and they put the fix in a different release?
[09:02] <Griswold> Basically, MS decided that applications can edit the cursor directly in memory for Win16, and then in Win32 they changed it.  For WinXP, we have animated cursors, which require a different structure.
[09:02] <telexicon> the bug just stays around?
[09:02] <Raspberry> but they flagged it as won't fix after the fix had already been released but there was no intention of adding the fixed code into the ubuntu package until the fixed code was pointed out to them... they were just going to "wait" for a fix
[09:02] <telexicon> that doesnt seem like a reasonable solution
[09:03] <ethana3> wait, how long ago exactly was libc6 frozen?
[09:03] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Then you note that upstream say's it's fixed, and look at the bug again.
[09:03] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Hmmm, that sounds really wrong.
[09:03] <telexicon> Fujitsu, will ubuntu devs pull patches from upstream to fix bugs in current versions?
[09:03] <Fujitsu> ethana3: A couple of hours, but mirrors will take a while to update.
[09:03] <Griswold> So I have to 1) change the structure, 2) without changing the structure :P  Basically, the idea is to store the cursor somewhere else and have two cursors in memory and feed the application the right one
[09:03] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Current versions of what? Ubuntu, or upstream versions of packages?
[09:03] <savvas00> how do I check out the total size of a folder?
[09:03] <ethana3> a couple of hours.....  well my system seems bork, so i must have managed to get it /right/ before it was.
[09:03] <Raspberry> notice how the freedesktop fix was released in early January... and they didn't "fix" this until today -- noting that they added in the fixed code after I pointed out the fix
[09:04] <savvas00> in a terminal of course
[09:04] <Fujitsu> savvas00: du -ch somedir
[09:04] <savvas00> thanks
[09:04] <telexicon> Fujitsu, use fixes from a newer upstream version to fix a bug in a current ubuntu package
[09:04] <Fujitsu> Hm, -sh, probably.
[09:04] <Griswold> savvas00, du -h
[09:04] <savvas00> ok :)
[09:04]  * Adys confirms q broken libc6 is PAIN to fix
[09:04] <Fujitsu> -s for summary, -h for human-readable.
[09:04] <Raspberry> here's the upstream bug... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9307
[09:04] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 9307 in Drivers/DRI/i965 "[965g]: Consistent crashes in any GL application with DRI enabled" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme]
[09:04] <malnilion> Griswold, figures, MS makes things complicated that shouldn't be complicated
[09:04] <Griswold> malnilion, Yep yep.
[09:05] <savvas00> hm it'll fit
[09:05] <Griswold> So I have to go do a *bunch* of work to get animated cursors working properly.  :\
[09:05] <Griswold> It will happen, just not anytime soon.
[09:05] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, oops -- that's not my bug :P
[09:05] <ethana3> i think i have one machine that updated /after/ the libc6 freeze, i'll check
[09:05] <Raspberry> THIS bug... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13492
[09:05] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 13492 in Drivers/DRI/i965 "965GM wine Messa crash when using DRI. Google-earth is also dying with error related to the mesa package" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
[09:06] <Fujitsu> Bug #178292, or bug #185423?
[09:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178292 in mesa "3D-Accelerated Games cause X to crash with Intel Driver" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178292
[09:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185423 in wine "Wine crashes and close my session went to login screen (dup-of: 178292)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185423
[09:06] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, they're all caused by the same MESA library issue
[09:07] <Raspberry> different issues, but the same MESA library :)
[09:07] <Fujitsu> Right, the former is the one you referenced earlier.
[09:07] <Raspberry> and I marked 185423 as a dup of 178292 this week
[09:08] <pwnguin> what's the name of the program / applet / logout dialo that appears when you hit quit in GNOME?
[09:09] <Fujitsu> pwnguin: It's part of gnome-session, I think.
[09:09] <Raspberry> I just think it would be a bad idea to have released hardy without this fixed and that is what was going to happen
[09:09] <Raspberry> because this problem exists in gutsy
[09:09] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: It would be very bad to release it with that, you're right.
[09:10] <Raspberry> anyway -- on the positive side.. I've learned that we can make a difference alpha testing and I'm trying to register the bugs I find and find fixes for them upstream if I can and post that into the bugs
[09:10] <YazzY> hm
[09:10] <YazzY> i copied over the old libc6 and linked it to libc.so
[09:10] <philip__> for libc6 fix, should i do amaranth's "cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6 | xargs` /path/to/mounted/partition/" or should I follow eTM_'s solution of extracting the libc6 package over?
[09:10] <YazzY> ubt i still get the same malloc errors
[09:10] <Fujitsu> YazzY: What arch?
[09:10] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, my next thing to get on the devs about is Xournal is unusable in Hardy, but worked fine in Gutsy
[09:11] <YazzY> Fujitsu: x86
[09:11] <Fujitsu> YazzY: Ensure you've done libc6-i686 as well.
[09:11] <pwnguin> Raspberry: what model of tablet have you?
[09:11] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I have a tablet and I used to take notes in Linux, but since I updated to Hardy, I can't ...
[09:11] <Raspberry> pwnguin, ThinkPad x61t
[09:11] <pwnguin> and whats unusable about it?
[09:11] <h3sp4wn> that is a little annoying
[09:11] <YazzY> Fujitsu: what do you mean by "Ive done" _
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I see you've filed a bug.
[09:11] <YazzY> ?
[09:11] <Fujitsu> With a very nice number.
[09:11] <h3sp4wn> It certainly wasn't locked in the archive 30 secs ago
[09:12] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I know I was thinking what else could I file to hit 200000 :P
[09:12] <Fujitsu> h3sp4wn: Depends on which mirror you're using.
[09:12] <Raspberry> pwnguin, see bug #199999
[09:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199999 in xournal "Cursor moves but does not show drawn line in real-time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199999
[09:12] <YazzY> Fujitsu: /lib/libc.so.6 points now to /lib/libc/2.6.1.so, what else do ineed to do?
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> Fujitsu: gb.a
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> or de.archive I forget on that box
[09:13] <Raspberry> it makes it unusable because you can't see what you're writing until you've released the pressure on the pen
[09:13] <Fujitsu> YazzY: You probably need to extract the whole old libc6 and libc6-i686.
[09:13] <Raspberry> CellWriter works -- so it's something that Xournal is attached to ...a nd the Gnome "Journal" version doesn't seem to exist anymore
[09:13] <pwnguin> Raspberry: i cant duplicate it
[09:13] <pwnguin> it works fairly smoothly here
[09:13] <Raspberry> is there a working screen capture app in Hardy?  I'll screen capture some video here
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> you can just use dpkg --root= (What that is designed for)
[09:14] <isaac> Raspberry: several ones
[09:14] <isaac> Raspberry: recordmydesktop
[09:14] <isaac> Raspberry: istanbul
[09:14] <YazzY> Fujitsu: ive us keyboad now and i cant find the ' sign on mine which is norwegian, could you type it for me here?/
[09:14] <pwnguin> !info gournal
[09:14] <Fujitsu> h3sp4wn: Well, it was blocked on a.u.c a ocouple of hours back, so it might not have propgated.
[09:14] <ubotu> gournal (source: gournal): Note taking application for non-windows platforms. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-1 (hardy), package size 71 kB, installed size 332 kB
[09:14] <Fujitsu> YazzY: Which? " ' `?
[09:14] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I've tried with the pen and with the cursor with a fresh copy of xorg.conf
[09:14] <Raspberry> pwnguin, cursor ... I mean mouse
[09:14] <YazzY> the ` one , thanks ,Fujitsu
[09:15] <Fujitsu> YazzY: It's a backtick, and is on the tilde key on most European keyboards.
[09:15] <Raspberry> isaac, thanks -- I was trying ScreenKast and that just crashed my desktop
[09:15] <YazzY> ok, cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6| xargs` /mnt/ is done
[09:15] <pwnguin> Raspberry: is Use XInput enabled?
[09:16] <YazzY> Fujitsu: you mean i should also run libc6-i686 as well?
[09:16] <Fujitsu> YazzY: Probably.
[09:16] <Raspberry> pwnguin, no
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> Fujitsu: what do you mean by "Blocked"
[09:16] <Raspberry> pwnguin, not in the xorg.conf
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> removed ?
[09:16] <YazzY> Fujitsu: when i run the command i typed in ebfore, it says something like cp: omitting directory `/.'
[09:16] <Fujitsu> h3sp4wn: chmod -r
[09:16] <YazzY> cp: omitting directory `/lib'
[09:16] <pwnguin> Raspberry: in xournal
[09:17] <YazzY> Fujitsu: does it look correct ?
[09:17] <ethana3> emailed link to fix to myself... rebooting onto livecd
[09:17] <ethana3> bye
[09:17] <Fujitsu> YazzY: COmmand is wrong. The second backtick goes before the pipe.
[09:17] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I see there's a bug here 184996
[09:17] <Raspberry> pwnguin, bug #184996
[09:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184996 in xournal "Annotation tools are broken in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184996
[09:17] <YazzY> ah
[09:18] <Raspberry> pwnguin, yes it is enabled in Xournal
[09:18] <YazzY> Fujitsu: now it says following:
[09:18] <YazzY> cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6`| xargs /mnt/
[09:18] <YazzY> cp: target `/lib/libutil.so.1' is not a directory
[09:18] <YazzY> xargs: /mnt/: Permission denied
[09:18] <Raspberry> pwnguin, if I uncheck it ... it works fine :p
[09:18] <pwnguin> heh
[09:18] <pwnguin> well then, problem solved!
[09:18] <pwnguin> sigh
[09:18] <Raspberry> I'll note that in my bug
[09:18] <Fujitsu> Wait, that command looks very wrong.
[09:19] <Raspberry> I guess I don't know what XInput does relative to the app and I've asked the question in here for a few weeks before posting the bug :P
[09:19] <Adys> to those who upgraded to libc6; were you able to get a root commandline after booting?
[09:19] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: type ls /mnt
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> Adys: No
[09:19] <Adys> right just checking
[09:19] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: its my root partition
[09:19] <pwnguin> X11 assumes a set of core input devices, a mouse, keyboard etc
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> Adys: actually I think I have sash
[09:19] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: i have only one more mounted as /home
[09:19] <pwnguin> XInput is a protocol to enable more advanced things like wacom pointers
[09:20] <Fujitsu> YazzY: Apparently the backtick afterwards was correct, though that syntax is strange.
[09:20] <pwnguin> it'll probably be discared in the future in favor of MPX, or merged, i donno
[09:20] <DrUnKnMuNkY> command should be cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6 | xargs` /mnt
[09:20] <muszek__> libc can be downloaded... at least I did it 10 minutes ago
[09:20] <Fujitsu> muszek__: From some mirrors.
[09:20] <pwnguin> the MPX guy complained that there was only 1 app that used Xinput, GIMP
[09:20] <pwnguin> he should complain that there's two
[09:20] <YazzY> muszek__: and downgraded?
[09:20] <Fujitsu> We can't do anything to make mirrors update faster.
[09:20] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: just did it by self a few minutes ago unfortunately
[09:20] <DrUnKnMuNkY> myself*
[09:21] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: did what?
[09:21] <muszek__> YazzY: I haven't done anything yet... spent those 10 minutes trying to get here
[09:21] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, not even if you rub them with Cheetah Blood?
[09:21] <pwnguin> Raspberry: what digitizer does that tablet use?
[09:21] <YazzY> ah
[09:21] <YazzY> the comand
[09:21] <Raspberry> pwnguin, serial-based wacom
[09:21] <pwnguin> odd
[09:21] <pwnguin> gnome?
[09:21] <YazzY> muszek__: where did you grab the package?
[09:23] <Raspberry> pwnguin, there are two models a lower res touch-screen model and a higher res (1400x1050) tablet only
[09:23] <Raspberry> and I have the higher res
[09:23] <WelshDragon> Is there any way to fix glibc without involving a restart or is that the only way?
[09:23] <pwnguin> Raspberry: mine's 1440x900
[09:23] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4506412&postcount=57
[09:24] <pwnguin> Raspberry: does your right click work right by default?
[09:24] <Raspberry> pwnguin, no... I have to setup all the buttons in the xorg.conf
[09:24] <pwnguin> heh
[09:24] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: i had to run dpkg -i libc* twice to get the packages to install btw
[09:24] <Raspberry> pwnguin, otherwise the eraser tip and right click don't work
[09:24] <Raspberry> pwnguin, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Wacom_Serial_Tablet_PC_Stylus
[09:24] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: you had downloaded the packages and installed them then ?
[09:25] <pwnguin> right, but i have this problem where buttons 1 and 2 are switched
[09:25] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: i thought you fixed it with the cp command
[09:25] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. I've got 2.6.12-generic running and attempting to fire up VirtualBox .. after setting it all up I click start and it tells me .. "Virtualbox kernel driver not installed" then tells me to modprobe the vboxdrv .. I try and it fails, telling my to look at dmesg, but I don't see anything erronious in dmesg .. help?
[09:25] <sdh> "package locked in archive, cannot be downloaded" <-- i just did
[09:25] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: all that allowed me to do was to chroot into the partition
[09:25] <pwnguin> Raspberry: yea, i know. handy resource, even for my toshiba tecra m7
[09:25] <Fujitsu> NineTeen67Comet: Do you have the appropriate virtualbox modules package installed?
[09:25] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: i still wasn't able to boot until i reinstalled those packages
[09:26] <Raspberry> pwnguin, the tablet is great though... much more sturdy than the Toshiba M200 tablet I had before ... and the screen is always clear... the M200 had that clear cover but had space between the screen and tablet so the longer you used it you got a lot of debris between the clear layers of the screen
[09:26] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: i may be doing something wrong, do i need to chroot to my partition after i booted livecd and ran the cp command?
[09:26] <NineTeen67Comet> Fujitsu: Um, I did vbox-ose ose-source and ose-module (it took with it 2.14.12 and i386 modules..)
[09:26] <Raspberry> pwnguin, and you couldn't remove the clear cover without unscrewing it and Toshiba said that'd void the warranty
[09:26]  * NineTeen67Comet virtualbox-ose- etc etc
[09:26] <WelshDragon> Hmmm, Is there a way to open the terminal from the liveCD, using the libc from the liveCD, while being booted into hardy?
[09:26] <Raspberry> pwnguin, so I'll clean it when the warranty expires in another year
[09:26] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: you should do it while you're still in the livecd
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> WelshDragon: Is your shell working ?
[09:27] <WelshDragon> ive got a shell open
[09:27] <malnilion> Raspberry, that'd be really annoying, I bet
[09:27] <Raspberry> pwnguin, since I've already replaced the keyboard on the toshiba under warranty ...
[09:27] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: do what exactly?
[09:27] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: chroot?
[09:27] <NineTeen67Comet> WelshDragon: Can you chroot into the live cd? .. I'm not sure how you'd do it, but it could get ugly .. lol
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> WelshDragon: Yeah but is it actually still working
[09:27] <Raspberry> malnilion, here's what you have to do to clean it... http://www.telusplanet.net/~mykl/one.jpg
[09:27] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: chroot and then dpkg -i the pacakges?
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> (I would guess it won't let you sudo)
[09:27] <WelshDragon> some things are some things are h3sp4wn...like apt isn't...but cp is...
[09:28] <WelshDragon> i'll try a sudo now
[09:28] <sdh> yeah i can't su or sudo sadly and have no root console open
[09:28] <pwnguin> Raspberry: what i find silly though is that part at the end of the wiki where you bind button 1 to button 1, and so on
[09:28] <WelshDragon> ok no sudo :(
[09:28] <SlimG> Is there a particular reason for why the hardy .iso filenames doesn't identify the content (gnome/kde and alpha version number) ?
[09:28] <gordonjcp> Fujitsu: Gutsy ships a lot of frankly knackered audio packages
[09:28] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: yes. chroot then dpkg -i the packages. you're already root once you've chrooted so no need to sudo. you need to move the packages onto the hard drive before you can do that though
[09:28] <Raspberry> pwnguin, heh yeah -- I didn't have to bind button one... I only had to bind button 3 to button 2 and button 2 to button 3 :P
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> I need to find the alpha 4 live usb I had somewhere
[09:29] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn, I burned a new Alpha6 CD and that worked :)
[09:29] <pwnguin> i have button2 bound to button 3
[09:29] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: but the cp command you run without chrooting, right ?
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> Raspberry: No CD drive (without moving tons of stuff)
[09:29] <pwnguin> maybe that other part will help with eraser tip identification
[09:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> virtualbox is obtained by SUN
[09:29] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: correct. cp the files before you chroot. sorry if my instructions are a little confusing.. it's 5:30 am for me and i need to sleep
[09:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> interesting
[09:30] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: ok, np, thanks
[09:30] <Raspberry> wow
[09:30] <pwnguin> Raspberry: cellwriter's pretty neat. i should start a bounty to get it to dock correctly
[09:30] <Raspberry> very interesting
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Do they support Solaris at the moment ?
[09:30] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I know the developer -- he lives in town here :)
[09:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> h3sp4wn, i think so
[09:30] <pwnguin> ah
[09:30] <pwnguin> cool.
[09:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> h3sp4wn, check their home page
[09:30] <pwnguin> i made sure it got into hardy ;)
[09:30] <Raspberry> pwnguin, there's a big Linux community in the Minneapolis / St Paul Minnesota area -- we've got Codeweavers here too :)
[09:31] <malnilion> Raspberry, yeah, at some point I'm going to have to replace the screen in my HP laptop
[09:31] <Kejk_PL> eh, I upgraded libc6 ;P
[09:31] <Raspberry> malnilion, the IBM are using a new technology... there's no space between the screens -- so you can't get dust in there
[09:31] <Kejk_PL> i'll try that workaaround :)
[09:32] <Raspberry> malnilion, I've very impressed -- it gets lots of fingerprints on it though because of the antiglare coating, but when the backlight is on you can't see them
[09:32] <pwnguin> Raspberry: i imagine the space between the digitizer and the lcd prevents you from ruining the lcd
[09:32] <pwnguin> via pressure
[09:33] <pwnguin> Raspberry: ultimately, I'd like to see about running ubuntu-mobile on tablets
[09:33] <Raspberry> pwnguin, yeah -- but there's something new with the ThinkPad X61
[09:34] <Wobbo> is it only the libc6-i686 package that shouldn't be updated?
[09:35] <malnilion> Nothing libc6 should be upgraded
[09:35] <ethana2> thank goodness for livecds
[09:35] <malnilion> Wobbo, but you don't really have to worry since the dl has been blocked
[09:35] <Wobbo> that is the only libc package in my list
[09:36] <Wobbo> malnilion, strange i updated an half hour ago and it broke my comp, i fixed thanks to the posts in the forum
[09:36] <pwnguin> Raspberry: you'll like this
[09:36] <pwnguin> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1891727&group_id=163434&atid=827733
[09:36] <ubotu> Sourceforge bug 1891727 "linuxwacom 0.7.9 + Xorg 7.3 XInput issues" [Pri: 5,Open]
[09:36] <Fujitsu> malnilion: Not all mirrors have updated yet.
[09:36] <Raspberry> I would have bought an IBM Tablet 2 years ago when I bought my Toshiba, but they didn't have them then :)
[09:36] <Raspberry> hehe
[09:37] <malnilion> Fujitsu, my bad, noted :)
[09:37] <malnilion> Wobbo, also you might have the bad deb still cached
[09:37] <pwnguin> they did
[09:37] <pwnguin> they were just massively outdated
[09:37] <pwnguin> x41ts
[09:37] <Wobbo> lol, i just pressed update again, and see "configuring libc6" i guess i have to fix my computer again =D
[09:37] <Raspberry> hey, there it is...
[09:37] <Raspberry> * Short fix without recompiling: uncheck the "Use XInput" box in the
[09:37] <Raspberry> Options menu
[09:39] <mikl> oops, now my bash is broken...
[09:39] <mikl> is there a way to log in with another shell, bypassing bash?
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> init=/bin/sash
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> (or busybox but you need them installed already)
[09:41] <BUGabund1> baaa
[09:41] <BUGabund1> now I read the topic!!!
[09:41] <BUGabund1> getting core dumps and seg faults
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> It won't work unless its statically linked
[09:42] <mikl> BUGabund1: yeah, me too
[09:42] <BUGabund1> still no bug on LP?
[09:42] <BUGabund1> strange
[09:42] <BUGabund1> all there are there are old
[09:42] <Raspberry> pwnguin, thanks -- I made notes to the sf.net bug in my xournal bugs I'm watching -- I see both issues mentioned in the sf notes
[09:43] <Raspberry> pwnguin, might have to have these bugs associated with the wacom drivers instead of xournal
[09:43] <savvas> aaand we're back
[09:44] <Raspberry> pwnguin, interesting http://quill.sourceforge.net/
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/201673
[09:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "Hardy: "invalid pointer: 0xb7ef4b70" no program will start." [Critical,Fix released]
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> (There is 15 duplicates as well should be fixed)
[09:44] <BUGabund1> thanks h3sp4wn
[09:44] <pwnguin> Raspberry: i'd call it an "also affects"
[09:44] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I'll ask Michael (cellwriter dev) about the docking issues next time I talk to him
[09:45] <pwnguin> Raspberry: ive already spoken with him a bit about it (please do ask if theres any progress); apparently the current theory is metacity allows only gnome-panel to create "struts"
[09:45] <muszek__> rebooting to live cd... wish me luck
[09:48] <pwnguin> Raspberry: not a fan of java or gestures
[09:48] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I don't see the bug registered against ubuntu anywhere... although there are a lot of wacom bugs open
[09:48] <pwnguin> Raspberry: vista added gestures and they're dumb
[09:48] <pwnguin> Raspberry: then add it ;)
[09:49] <pwnguin> it's already filed upstream thouhg
[09:49] <pwnguin> seems like duplicating work
[09:49] <Raspberry> pwnguin, interesting request bug #90451
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90451 in hal "Add Tablet PC support (patch included)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90451
[09:49] <Raspberry> it was submitted a year ago ... so maybe this year :)
[09:50] <astan> hey. is it possible to make the root fs with XFS filesystem using alternate installer?
[09:51] <pwnguin> Raspberry: you think it enables automatic rotation support?
[09:51] <Raspberry> I've used OpenSuSE it does more than that
[09:51] <Raspberry> the Pen just works by checking a box
[09:51] <pwnguin> handyh
[09:52] <Raspberry> and it knows everything about it ... and you can say this is eraser, this is right click... et al
[09:52] <ethana2> cp: omitting directory `lib'      ...why??
[09:52] <Raspberry> check out OpenSuSE 11 -- it's very cool... just updating packages is very slow
[09:52] <ethana2> i'm trying to un-bork my hardy install
[09:53] <ethana2> why does cp omit the directory?
[09:53] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I think providing better support for UMPCs, Tablets, Media Centers, et al is a good way for Linux / Ubuntu to gain marketshare... Tablets and things like that are all after-thoughts on Windows / Mac (not really supported at all) -- and so having it just work because of the modular design of linux would allow for a larger user base
[09:53] <Q-FUNK> ah. I was gonna asked if fixed libc6 packages have been uploaded... :)
[09:53] <cprov> hi, I've installed the broken libc package and rebooted (!!!) I'm using a X61, so no CD whatsoever. I can boot into the initramfs. Would it be possible to mount a pen-drive ?
[09:53] <Raspberry> pwnguin, mythtv is great for the media center...  CellWriter Xournal and other apps are great for Tablets
[09:54] <emgent> it's broken only in i386...
[09:54] <pwnguin> Raspberry: if you havent heard, Intel contracted canonical to write a UPMC version of ubuntu
[09:54] <Raspberry> pwnguin, hadn't heard -- very cool
[09:54] <Raspberry> pwnguin,  I've been working with Adobe to port Lightroom or at least get it 100% functional in WINE
[09:54] <pwnguin> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
[09:55] <LeerokTheLacerta> The only thing I have to complain about is that Ubuntu doesn't run well on computers with 350Mhz and 64MB of RAM
[09:55] <Raspberry> pwnguin,  oh ... yeah, I saw that :)  I just didn't want to play around ... since it's not a prime-time thing yet :)
[09:55] <emgent> see  https://launchpad.net/bugs/201673
[09:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "Hardy: "invalid pointer: 0xb7ef4b70" no program will start." [Critical,Fix released]
[09:55] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I'd love to try Mobile out on a ASUS Eee PC
[09:55] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I'm waiting until the new Eee models are released next month
[09:55] <pwnguin> what's with the urgency=low on the new libc?
[09:56] <BUGabund1> is it fix released or not??
[09:56] <pwnguin> does the new eee have a tablet?
[09:56] <Raspberry> pwnguin, says critical here (importance)
[09:56] <Raspberry> pwnguin, no :(
[09:56] <pwnguin> glibc (2.7-9ubuntu2) hardy; urgency=low
[09:56] <Raspberry> that's the new one
[09:56] <Raspberry> I thought
[09:56] <pwnguin> yes
[09:56] <Raspberry> that broke everything
[09:57] <pwnguin> hmm
[09:57] <ethana2> got it unborked by the guide... should work now..
[09:57] <Raspberry> I can't check, I purged my logs
[09:57] <pwnguin> i think it was -ubuntu1
[09:57] <Raspberry> er I mean my cache
[09:57] <pwnguin> lp knows
[09:57] <pwnguin> yea, this is -ubuntu2
[09:58] <pwnguin> im just curious now what the urgency line means
[09:58] <Raspberry> I just ordered a new Dell XPS One for a customer today -- so we'll see how that loks
[09:58] <Fujitsu> cprov: You might well be able to. Plug it in and see if the kernel tells you which device it is.
[09:58] <naught101> where do I find a java runtime environment in hardy? I have all of them installed (GCJ, sun5, and sun6)
[09:59] <naught101> I can find the GCJ one, but open office doesn't like it
[09:59] <Fujitsu> If not, you could make the USB flash drive bootable.
[09:59] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I've got some "load stations" on a rail guided manufacturing setup that currently run Windows CE with touch screens -- it'd be interesting to have them run Ubuntu Mobile instead because there's no support for CE anymore
[09:59] <pwnguin> heh
[09:59] <pwnguin> i doubt you can get it to run on them
[10:00] <Raspberry> I've got some custom apps that interface with the RS232 on these $750,000 machines -- it's all JAVA so it'd be nice if we could run it straight from the load stations
[10:00] <pwnguin> wince isnt quite the MID
[10:01] <Raspberry> all the WINCE stations use is IE to view a webpage hosted by the controller that displays the parts currently being machined
[10:01] <pwnguin> Raspberry: well, in the past i'd been trying it out via an second x server
[10:01] <pwnguin> you can at least see how what you'd be starting from
[10:01] <Raspberry> yeah
[10:01] <Raspberry> pwnguin, have you used KVM yet?
[10:01] <pwnguin> to switch keyboards?
[10:01] <Raspberry> no
[10:01] <Raspberry> :P
[10:01] <pwnguin> then no
[10:02] <pwnguin> im not a big fan of virtualization
[10:02] <Raspberry> Ubuntu has ditched Xen in 8.04 and is now support KVM
[10:02] <pwnguin> which apparently makes me a heretic
[10:02] <pwnguin> orly
[10:02] <Raspberry> yeah
[10:02] <Raspberry> I was going to get XEN working, but Ubuntu's Wiki says No
[10:02] <pwnguin> well, less kernel devs slaving on xen compatibility
[10:02] <pwnguin> has to be a good thing
[10:03] <heanol> no xen at all in 8.04?
[10:03] <Raspberry> i'm sure it'll still be around
[10:03] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: It hasn't been ditched, it is simply not going to be officially supported. Same as Gutsy.
[10:03] <heanol> heh
[10:03] <Yacci> help! The hibernate-mode doesn't work on my laptop. It goes until a black screen but doesn't turn off power.
[10:03] <heanol> i hope it's not even more buggy than in gutsy
[10:03] <heanol> gutsy xen is buggy as hell..
[10:03] <Raspberry> yup
[10:03] <Fujitsu> heanol: WOrks fine for me. What issues do you have?
[10:03] <Raspberry> which is why I couldn't use it :)
[10:04] <cprov> Fujitsu, the kernel sees the new device connected on USB but doesn't list (lsusb) or attach it
[10:04] <heanol> Fujitsu: I have to add extra='xencons=tty' to the config-file to even get the domU to boot for example
[10:04] <muszek__> there are like 5 different solutions to libc6 problem... any suggestion non which one to choose?
[10:04] <Raspberry> I wanted to run OpenSuSE because they've got all the XEN stuff nice and packaged with a GUI, but their day-to-day interface (X) usability is horrible..
[10:04] <heanol> and change some udev/rtc-stuff every time i create a new domU with xen-create-image
[10:04] <Fujitsu> cprov: It won't automount, and lsusb probably wants some FS mounted that isn't... Does it mention sdb or something?
[10:04] <heanol> and i had to make some clock tweaks
[10:05] <Raspberry> muszek__, the one that references cp --parents
[10:05] <muszek__> "sudo dpkg --root=/path/to/mount/point --admindir=/path/to/mountpoint/var/lib/dpkg -i libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb libc6-i686_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb" looks the prettiest...
[10:05] <heanol> echo "jiffies" > /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
[10:05] <heanol> echo 1 > /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock
[10:05] <heanol> like that..
[10:05] <Yacci> hm. What can I do?
[10:05] <Fujitsu> heanol: Those are easy to script around, but you have a point.
[10:05] <heanol> or the domU would hang/time go crazy
[10:05] <cprov> Fujitsu, no it just say someting was connected
[10:05] <heanol> had to turn off transmit checksum also
[10:05] <heanol> Fujitsu: indeed they are, once you figure all the tweaks out :)
[10:06] <muszek__> Raspberry: any reason why?  I'd guess that dpkg would solve things better than regular copying of files
[10:06] <Raspberry> muszek__, yeah do that then
[10:06] <henkjan> heanol: patch xen-create-image to do that
[10:06] <Fujitsu> cprov: Try mounting /dev/sdb1 somewhere, I guess. If that doesn't work, we'll have to poke further.
[10:07] <muszek__> ok
[10:07] <Raspberry> basically when I was setting everything up in XEN it seemed like it was a house of cards -- way too much tweaking
[10:07] <heanol> henkjan: sure
[10:07] <gordonjcp> I found Xen to be pretty easy to set up
[10:07] <heanol> i'm not saying it's a hard problem to work around once you _know_ what to work around
[10:07] <heanol> but setting it up the first time was quite hard
[10:07] <Raspberry> gordonjcp, in Ubuntu?
[10:07] <gordonjcp> yup
[10:07] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: It's very stable for me, and I only needed one change to get things working.
[10:08] <heanol> who knows what new kind of tweaks are needed when i upgrade the server to hardy..
[10:08] <henkjan> heanol: i suffered the same issues with gutsy
[10:08] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, interesting
[10:08] <ethana2> ok, i went in at it from a livecd
[10:08] <gordonjcp> I especially liked how once it was going, I could just create a new Xen machine and it would create appropriate LVM slices for the disk
[10:08] <pwnguin> Raspberry: it's been committed upstream
[10:08] <secretlondon> thanks for the libc note, so even -9 borked?
[10:08] <pwnguin> (the hal stuff)
[10:08] <ethana2> rebooted, and it still didn't like me
[10:08] <cprov> Fujistsu, nah it doesn't work (tried several devices)
[10:08] <Fujitsu> The IO and CPU load on one system is very high, but it works fine.
[10:08] <ethana2> i replaced libc6 and libc6-i686 with safe files
[10:09] <henkjan> heanol: just stay with your dom0 at gutsy and only use hardy in your domU's
[10:09] <ethana2> merging and replacing all, from out of a two .deb files
[10:09] <heanol> henkjan: that's a good idea actually
[10:09] <heanol> how long will gutsy be supported?
[10:09] <ethana2> ....it still wouldn't boot
[10:09] <henkjan> heanol: thats what i'm gonna do
[10:09] <Fujitsu> cprov: Grumble.
[10:09] <Fujitsu> cprov: Try modprobing usb_storage
[10:10] <henkjan> i'm using my dom0 only to control domU's. No other services running on it (exept ssh ofcourse ;) )
[10:10] <ethana2> the guide said to check if it was okay by chroot /media/disk
[10:10] <ethana2> ...it said it couldn't load /bin/bash because of permissions
[10:10] <ethana2> i rebooted anyway
[10:10] <Fujitsu> ethana2: The live CD may have mounted the FS noexec for no particularly good reason.
[10:10] <ethana2> Fujitsu: oh, ok
[10:11] <orvokki> Can't you just unmount and remount it then?
[10:11] <Fujitsu> In which case it should be fine.
[10:11] <Fujitsu> orvokki: Or without the unmounting step, yeah.
[10:11] <ethana2> i rebooted back onto the livecd...
[10:11] <orvokki> Right.
[10:11] <ethana2> i'll try to mount it now
[10:11] <magnetron> hi! i tried to boot the haldy alpha 6 cd in Qemu, but it drops down to a Busybox Ash shell. is there any known workaround?
[10:11] <orvokki> Btw, what's with that libc6 thing?
[10:12] <Raspberry> any suggestions on fixing this screen brightness problem with my Laptop LCD
[10:12] <Fujitsu> orvokki: Hardy's current libc6 is horribly broken.
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Wait, as it's known.
[10:12] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, k :P
[10:12] <naught101> Raspberry: does it work by clicking on the battery monitor?
[10:12] <Raspberry> no
[10:12] <pwnguin> it's a known bug; is anyone assigned to it?
[10:13] <ethana2> Fujitsu: it mounted it the same way i guess then
[10:13] <muszek__> sudo dpkg --root=/media/disk --admindir=/media/disk/var/lib/dpkg -i libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb libc6-i686_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[10:13] <muszek__> dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `mt-daapd' in statoverride file
[10:13] <ethana2> how do i allow it to execute?
[10:13] <Raspberry> hmm
[10:13] <Raspberry> it's brigher now
[10:13] <Raspberry> I moved the brightness applet all the way up to the top and then backlight shut off after 20 min while it was idle
[10:13] <Raspberry> and now when I wiggled the mouse to tweak it again the brightness is up
[10:13] <muszek__> any help?
[10:13] <Raspberry> but I can't adjust it
[10:14] <Raspberry> i'll move it all the way back to the lowest setting and let it idle and see if it'll be dim in 20 min
[10:14] <Fujitsu> muszek__: Argh.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> muszek__: adduser mt-daapd
[10:14] <Fujitsu> On the live CD.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> That should fix it.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> I hope.
[10:14] <cprov> Fujitsu, slightly better, it attached to a block device, but no mounting yet
[10:14] <muszek__> Fujitsu: oko
[10:15] <Fujitsu> cprov: It might not have a partition table, in which case you'll need to mount the raw device.
[10:15] <ethana2> Fujitsu: how do I allow binaries on the partition to be executed?
[10:15] <Fujitsu> ethana2: Mount it without the noexec option.
[10:15] <Fujitsu> mount -o remount /path/to/wherever
[10:15] <ethana2> oh, ok
[10:15] <Fujitsu> remount means you can change the options without unmounting first.
[10:16] <Raspberry> I've been keeping notes of everything I change from the standard Ubuntu Install to get the X61t / Tablet working so once Hardy is released I should have a pretty comprehensive document
[10:16] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: That'd be great to have on the wiki.
[10:16] <Raspberry> I need to shoot an email over to a friend of mine @ IBM and find out how to get the WiFi light working...
[10:16] <muszek__> Fujitsu: http://pastebin.us/?show=m2ed9eb6e <-- could you  please help me?
[10:16] <henkjan>  6142 henkjan   20   0  511m 282m 5116 S  2.0 27.9   1:14.71 evolution-data-
[10:16] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I just made a bunch of changes to my notes as the 3d stuff was fixed
[10:17] <henkjan> why is evolution-data-server so memory hungry
[10:17] <muszek__> Fujitsu: should I force it somehow?
[10:17] <henkjan> i'm not even using evolution
[10:17] <Raspberry> henkjan, but you should be :P
[10:17] <henkjan> Raspberry: i'm happy with mutt :)
[10:17] <orvokki> Fujitsu: I think I personally like eTM_'s solution to that fixing that breakage. :)
[10:17] <ethana2> Fujitsu: didn't seem to work
[10:18] <Raspberry> ouch ... since I updated to the latest X intel drivers now the system restarted into bulletproof :P
[10:18] <Fujitsu> muszek__: Try to use dpkg to remove libc6-i686 first.
[10:18] <ethana2> Fujitsu: mount -o remount /media/disk
[10:18] <Raspberry> I think I'll try a restart
[10:18] <ethana2> Fujitsu: permission is still denied to execut
[10:18] <Fujitsu> ethana2: You'll probably need to specify /path/to/your/device as well.
[10:18] <Fujitsu> ethana2: Ah, damn.
[10:18] <Fujitsu> Try -o remount, exec
[10:19] <ethana2> k
[10:19] <ethana2> Fujitsu: wow, it still doesn't like it
[10:22] <cprov> Fujitsu, depite of being recognized as sdb1 it can't be mounted. Could it be because it's a vfat disk ?
[10:23] <cprov> Fujitsu, do I need any extra k modules to mount vfat ?
[10:23] <Fujitsu> cprov: Could be. There'll be a module for that, but it might not be in the initramfs :(
[10:23] <Fujitsu> cprov: Try modprobing vfat, but it may well not be there.
[10:23] <cprov> vfat & fat are installed, though
[10:23] <muszek__> Fujitsu: ubuntu-minimal depends on libc6-i686. (can't remove)
[10:24] <Fujitsu> cprov: Hummm.
[10:24] <Fujitsu> muszek__: Bah. Just copy the files over manually, I guess.
[10:24] <muszek__> Fujitsu: roger
[10:25] <cprov> Fujitsu, `cfdisk /dev/sdb` fails ... it might indicate something
[10:26] <Fujitsu> cprov: Is cfdisk actually in the initramfs, though?
[10:26] <ethana3> alright, on freenode on both machines now...
[10:26] <Shoopuf> I have an install CD for Ubuntu 7.10... Can I download a minimal update package to upgrade it to 8.04 ALPHA? Or do I have to download the entire ALPHA install CD?
[10:26] <cprov> Fujitsu, yes :)
[10:27] <Ng> Shoopuf: upgrading 7.10 or downloading the alpha install CD won't be hugely different in size, in terms of the downoad
[10:27] <ethana3> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -o remount, exec /media/disk      ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media/disk      chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[10:28] <Fujitsu> cprov: You sure it's sdb?
[10:28] <ethana2> Fujitsu: what do you make of that?
[10:28] <bazhang> is there a minimal installer for Hardy; or will that only be after final release?
[10:28] <Fujitsu> ethana2: You didn't manage to chmod -x /bin/bash at some point, did you?
[10:28] <Fujitsu> bazhang: The alternate installer, you mean?
[10:29] <ethana2> I don't believe so....
[10:29] <bazhang> Fujitsu: nah the 9MB or so minimal iso
[10:29] <cprov> Fujitsu, the kernel message says so
[10:29] <ethana3> chmod +x /media/disk/bin/bash
[10:29] <ethana3> can't hurt anything, right?
[10:29] <Fujitsu> cprov: Do you know if it is meant to have a prtition table?
[10:30] <Fujitsu> ethana2: That can't kill anything, no.
[10:30] <ethana3> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chmod +x /media/disk/bin/bash        ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media/disk            chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[10:30] <cprov> Fujitsu, it mounts fine in the mac I'm using right now
[10:31] <Fujitsu> cprov: Right, but it would have determined that itself...
[10:32] <Fujitsu> Mounting neither sdb nor sdb1 gives useful errors?
[10:32] <cprov> FUjitsu, no, if it does they seem to be eaten by dash
[10:33] <Fujitsu> Nothing logged to the console (dmesg)?
[10:33] <bazhang> Shoopuf: just checking if there is a minimal installer--is that what you wanted or did you want the whole thing: you can do update-manager -d for that via the net if you wish
[10:34] <cprov> yes, `dmesg` says it's sdb ... no errors
[10:35] <cprov> FUjitsu, am I missing futher usb modules ? `lsmod | grep usb` lists only usb_storage, libusual, scsi_mod and usbcore
[10:35] <ethana3> Fujitsu: ...how is this even possible?  Do you know?
[10:35] <Fujitsu> I'm thoroughly confused, then. In this situation, I'd normally remove the harddisk and fix it on another system, but you likely don't have the hardware to do that for a laptop drive.
[10:35] <Shoopuf> bazhang: It's alright, I've started downloading alpha although it will take a while. :P
[10:35] <Fujitsu> cprov: If it can see it as sdb, I doubt you could need any more.
[10:36] <bazhang> Shoopuf: ah okay; nice to see you join the club ;]
[10:39] <ethana3> Fujitsu: stumped?
[10:40] <Shoopuf> bazhang: Thanks. :P Finally could afford a large stack of DVD-Rs, so backing everythin up then gonna nosedive back into Ubuntu.
[10:40] <Fujitsu> ethana3: I've no idea, I'm afraid.
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Anyhow, you don't really need to chroot. It's just for testing, AFAICS.
[10:41] <ethana3> Well when i booted it failed
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Failed how?
[10:41] <ethana3> the orange bar stopped dead
[10:41] <ethana3> as did the rest of the machine
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Take splash and quiet out of the GRUB commandline, and see what it does.
[10:41] <ethana3> ...quite as if libc wasn't present and nothing could proceed
[10:42] <ethana3> uh, ok
[10:42] <ethana3> just a minute
[10:42] <dennda> Hi
[10:43] <ethana2> rebooting...
[10:43] <savvas> I just posted my version of fixing the libc6 problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4506738&postcount=75
[10:43] <dennda> Is this SCIM-thing going to be included by default in final hardy?
[10:43] <savvas> hopefully I'll help some poor chap :P
[10:43] <Fujitsu> cprov: If you really can't get it to mount at all, you might have to either find a USB CD drive, or make your USB flash drive bootable, I'm afraid.
[10:43] <orvokki> savvas: The solution on page two didn't work?
[10:43] <Ng> dennda: see bug 199030
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199030 in scim "Can't close SCIM" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199030
[10:43] <savvas> orvokki: no, I had problems with udev/vol_id
[10:44] <orvokki> Hmm.
[10:44] <ethana2> oh wow, kernel panic
[10:44] <savvas> and broken package installs
[10:44] <orvokki> savvas: Imo there should be a minibootstrap script just for this use included with alpha and beta cd's.
[10:44] <ethana2> permission was denied to run-init for /sbin/init
[10:44] <ethana2> how the heck....
[10:45] <Fujitsu> ethana2: What on *earth* did you do to your filesystem?
[10:45] <orvokki> savvas: Which would use a prefixed apt and try to downgrade the system.
[10:45] <ethana2> *slaps forehead*
[10:45] <ethana2> manually installed libc6 .deb's from a livecd
[10:45] <ethana2> ...merge all , replace all
[10:46] <ethana2> dumped the data parts from the debs into /
[10:46] <orvokki> savvas: That way you could use the apt database on hard disk even though you are unable to chroot.
[10:46] <dennda> thanks, Ng
[10:46] <dennda> this thing is *really* annoying
[10:46] <ethana2> ...the .deb's are on the ubuntu forums thread...
[10:46] <ethana2> ok, well, the fix should be simple, right?
[10:47] <ethana2> chmod +x everything in $PATH
[10:47] <ethana2> rebooting back onto livecd
[10:47] <savvas> orvokki: i fixed it using chroot
[10:47] <savvas> orvokki: but you're probably right about the script
[10:49] <orvokki> savvas: Well, I heard someone couldn't even chroot with the libc6 problems.
[10:49] <orvokki> So we need someething close to foolproof.
[10:49] <Turski> hi
[10:49] <orvokki> Prefixed apt-fix could be just that.
[10:49] <Turski> i got a "little" problem
[10:49] <Turski> #
[10:49] <Turski> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:49] <Turski> sorry
[10:49] <Turski> wrong paste
[10:49] <orvokki> Rather use pastebin.
[10:49] <Turski> http://pastebin.com/d767902e5
[10:50] <orvokki> Oh, you did. :)
[10:50] <Turski> problem is down there
[10:50] <Turski> yeh ;)
[10:50] <Joelio> hey guys, just ran and upgrade and it's hosed my glibc
[10:51] <Turski> Joelio: mee too
[10:51] <orvokki> Turski: A guess: libc6 botching that's also in the topic?
[10:51] <Turski> looks like that...
[10:52] <Joelio> is it going to be a case of live cd, chroot, make sure the package has been fixed, apt-get update again; upgrade
[10:52] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4506738&postcount=75 the fix
[10:52] <bazhang> Joelio: and Turski
[10:52] <Turski> ok
[10:54] <Turski> but why the hell that package is there?
[10:55] <bazhang> youre welcome Turski
[10:56] <Joelio> bazhang: cheers
[10:56] <bazhang> no worries Joelio ;]
[10:57] <ethana3> Fujitsu: sudo chmod +x /sbin -R
[10:57] <ethana3> will that make all files within /sbin executable
[10:57] <ethana3> ?
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Why were they unexecutable in the first place?
[10:58] <Fujitsu> ethana3: ^^
[10:58] <ethana3> I have no idea at all
[10:59] <ethana3> ok, i touched the machine
[10:59] <ethana3> i'm magical
[10:59] <ethana3> ....so.  will that do it?
[10:59] <Fujitsu> It should.
[10:59] <ethana3> ok
[11:00] <ethana3> here I go, wish me luck
[11:00] <Fujitsu> Good luck!
[11:00] <ethana3> ..someone else's luck I mean
[11:00] <ethana3> yeah, ok, that may work ;)
[11:01] <ethana3> ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/disk$ sudo chmod +x /media/disk/sbin -R
[11:01] <ethana3> It didn't complain.. onto the rest of $PATH
[11:03] <Yacci> Now, I need help!
[11:03] <Yacci> The buttons on the upper Panel are very confused.
[11:04] <ethana3> *sigh* ...rebooting
[11:04] <vistakiller> i just update kubuntu
[11:04] <vistakiller> the new tool desktop effects it seems is not working correct
[11:04] <Yacci> i tried strg+alt+backspace several times but it just went more and more chaotic
[11:05] <savvas> they're building the new libc6 :)
[11:05] <ethana2> ok...  i hope this works....
[11:05] <ethana2> yeah, i know not to complain about /firefox/ anymore
[11:05] <ethana2> heh
[11:05] <Yacci> hm... restart
[11:06] <vistakiller> i have lost and my alt+f2 is not working now
[11:06] <savvas> I hope yacci knows how to panic during a kernel panic
[11:06] <savvas> :p
[11:07] <ethana2> same exact kernel panic
[11:07] <GatoLoko^> hi
[11:07] <cprov> Fujitsu, no way to mount that... I'm really in serious trouble.
[11:07] <ethana2> good gosh, what /have/ i done?
[11:08]  * ethana2 sobs
[11:08] <ethana2> that was my machine with the two seats!
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Two systems I can't fix :( Damn.
[11:08] <ethana2> ...and pulseaudio set up to give each user one speaker
[11:08] <rsk> is the new glibc just built, fixed ?
[11:08] <secretlondon> libc6 has been released I think according to the bug anyway
[11:08] <ethana2> ...time to grab conf files, where does userful keep it's xorg.conf?
[11:08] <secretlondon> takes time to get to the mirrors etc
[11:08] <rsk> 2.7-9ubuntu2
[11:08] <Fujitsu> cprov: How'd you install Ubuntu on it in the first place? We can hopefully abuse that method to fix it.
[11:08] <savvas> Fujitsu: still the libc6 bug?
[11:08] <Fujitsu> rsk: It failed to build, unfortunately.
[11:09] <Fujitsu> savvas: Yes.
[11:09] <savvas> Fujitsu: can't boot in 2.6.24-12 kernel ? :)
[11:09] <secretlondon> Fujitsu: :(
[11:09] <Fujitsu> savvas: That's nothing to do with the glibc issue.
[11:09] <cprov> Fujitsu, via a ubuntu-live pen-drive
[11:10] <Fujitsu> cprov: That's what I suspected. That'd work, if you can obtain or create one.
[11:10] <cprov> Fujitsu, when I use to have a machine running ubuntu :(
[11:10] <unggnu> hi all
[11:10] <savvas> Fujitsu: what's the problem then? can't boot from a live cd?
[11:10] <Fujitsu> I'm still entirely mystified as to why it's not mounting.
[11:10] <unggnu> Since some days I have problems with login
[11:10] <Fujitsu> savvas: They're not my machines. I speak of cprov's and ethana2's.
[11:10] <unggnu> Login works but I can only see and move a mouse on a black screen
[11:10] <savvas> oh
[11:10] <unggnu> this happens with vesa driver too so it is no nvidia problem
[11:11] <secretlondon> unggnu we have a bug on that just now
[11:11] <unggnu> but my Hardy installaton with Intel driver works fine
[11:11] <unggnu> secretlondon, cool, could you post the link?
[11:11] <ethana2> Fujitsu: if there's anyone out there that's cocky, direct them to me
[11:11] <savvas> ethana2: still there? suffering from the libc6 problem?
[11:11] <secretlondon> unggnu: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/201746
[11:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201746 in ubuntu "Since last upgrade yesterday, after booting the sistem (everything normal including sound), I can't see the desktop. Amd64 Nvidia Gforce" [Undecided,New]
[11:11] <ethana2> that my predicament may humble them
[11:11] <ethana2> yes
[11:11] <ethana2> ...actually, i'm suffering from, shall we say....
[11:12] <ethana2> a /severely compounded/ libc6 problem
[11:12] <unggnu> secretlondon, thanks
[11:12] <savvas> ethana2: reboot the machine in live mode, let's try again together
[11:12] <ethana2> oh, ok
[11:12] <secretlondon> unngnu: needs more info etc etc
[11:12] <ethana2> booting off livecd...
[11:13] <Fujitsu> ethana2: I'm very impressed at what you managed. I've never seen such a thing done before :P
[11:13] <savvas> ethana2: connect it to irc again, run gnome terminal and: uname -a
[11:13] <YazzY> glibc issue fixed
[11:13] <ethana2> Fujitsu: thanks!
[11:13] <YazzY> freakin morons shouldnt have commited broken libs
[11:13] <secretlondon> oi code of conduct
[11:14] <ethana2> YazzY: be nice.. ;)
[11:14] <ethana2> they were just doing such an awesome job we forgot this was alpha
[11:14] <ethana2> that's all
[11:14] <secretlondon> indeed
[11:14] <savvas> YazzY: the problem is that it's alpha, you're the tester :)
[11:14] <YazzY> the problem is someone should have done some basic testing before commiting
[11:15] <savvas> you did it
[11:15] <YazzY> the commiter tests his work before spreading it
[11:15] <Fujitsu> YazzY: They likely did. It may have a been built slightly differently on the developer's machine.
[11:15] <YazzY> this is normal
[11:15] <unggnu> secretlondon, Do you have created the bug report?
[11:15] <Fujitsu> If they had LDFLAGS set (which is not at all inconceivable), the bug would not have appeared.
[11:15] <YazzY> well, its fixed
[11:15] <savvas> I don't see a problem here, apart from sloppy fingers that apt-get upgrade without waiting a bit
[11:16] <secretlondon> unggnu: its not my bug, just saw it in -bugs-announce
[11:16] <Fujitsu> As the buildds don't have a custom LDFLAGS, the bug appears.
[11:16] <unggnu> secretlondon, ok, thx
[11:16] <unggnu> many information missing but I will try
[11:16] <unggnu> I am not sure which is the reason
[11:17] <secretlondon> if you have it too then it may be interesting
[11:18] <r3boot> OMGWTFBBQ, libc6 is hosed :X ;P (already fixed it, j/k ;)
[11:18] <savvas> ethana3: uname -a
[11:18] <ethana3> k
[11:19] <ethana3> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ uname -a        Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:40:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:19] <savvas> ethana3: mkdir $HOME/aptfiles && cd $HOME/aptfiles
[11:20] <secretlondon> unggnu: if its a common bug then we may have a better report anyway, 1 para bug reports are pretty hard going..
[11:20] <ethana3> k
[11:20] <savvas> ethana3: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11110565/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:20] <savvas> ethana3: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11110566/libc6-dev_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:20] <ethana3> it's working on them now...
[11:21] <savvas> ethana3: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11110569/libc6-i686_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:21] <savvas> aye
[11:21] <ethana3> one down, working on two
[11:22] <ethana3> two down, working on three
[11:22] <savvas> ethana3: while it's downloading: sudo mkdir /media/disk
[11:23] <ethana3> it's done...
[11:23] <savvas> what's your root partition?
[11:23] <ethana3> savvas: i have not mounted that partition yet; should I?
[11:23] <ethana3> oh, it's uh..
[11:23] <savvas> ethana3: no, what's the /dev/ of your root partition?
[11:23] <ethana3> i only know it's size
[11:23] <savvas> ethana3: gksu gparted
[11:23] <ethana3> 170-something GB
[11:23] <ethana3> k
[11:24] <ethana3> /dev/sda3
[11:25] <savvas> ethana3: sudo mount /dev/sda3 /media/disk
[11:25] <ethana3> mount: mount point /media/disk does not exist
[11:25] <savvas> you're jumping off commands?
[11:25] <savvas> 12:22:51 < savvas> ethana3: while it's downloading: sudo mkdir /media/disk
[11:26] <ethana3> ok, second..
[11:26] <ethana3> mounted
[11:26] <ethana3> sorry, temporary confusion
[11:26] <savvas> ethana3: ls /media/disk
[11:26] <savvas> you see something like: bin    dev   initrd          lib    lost+found  opt   sbin  tmp  vmlinuz ?
[11:27] <ethana3> yes
[11:27] <savvas> ok great
[11:27] <savvas> the downloads are over?
[11:27] <ethana3> yes
[11:27] <savvas> mkdir $HOME/apttemp && cd $HOME/apttemp
[11:28] <ethana3> k
[11:28] <savvas> cp $HOME/aptfiles/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb ./
[11:28] <ethana3> k
[11:28] <savvas> ar vx libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:28] <savvas> tar xzf data.tar.gz
[11:29] <savvas> rm data.tar.gz libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_amd64.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz
[11:29] <savvas> oops
[11:29] <savvas> ethana3: rm data.tar.gz libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz
[11:29] <ethana3> tar: data.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[11:29] <savvas> uhm
[11:29] <savvas> 12:28:41 < savvas> ar vx libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:29] <ethana3> hold on..
[11:29] <savvas> ok i'll wait for confirmation on each command
[11:30] <ethana3> yes please do
[11:30] <savvas> ar done?
[11:31] <ethana3> i think so
[11:31] <savvas> did it mention data.tar.gz in the output?
[11:31] <ethana3> ok, confused
[11:31] <ethana3> sorry for my incompetence, let me figure out what i did here
[11:32] <savvas> ethana3: let's start over: cd $HOME && sudo rm -rf $HOME/apttemp
[11:32] <ethana3> done
[11:33] <savvas> now: mkdir $HOME/apttemp && cd $HOME/apttemp
[11:33] <ethana3> done
[11:33] <savvas> and: cp $HOME/aptfiles/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb ./
[11:33]  * kjetilkWork wishes he joined the channel before upgrading...
[11:33] <ethana3> done
[11:33] <savvas> ethana3: check if the libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb is there: ls ./
[11:34] <ethana3> it is.
[11:34] <dennda> Which package contains the "splash" you see when starting up the desktop-cd? (The thing with the countdown. "Start Ubuntu without altering your Hardware"). I want to translate it
[11:34] <savvas> ethana3: ar vx libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:34] <savvas> dennda: usplash maybe
[11:34] <ethana3> done, three files
[11:34] <savvas> dennda: ah sorry, don't know about that
[11:35] <savvas> ethana3: tar xzf data.tar.gz
[11:35] <dennda> me neither :)
[11:35] <ethana3> done
[11:35] <savvas> ethana3: rm data.tar.gz libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz
[11:35] <ethana3> done
[11:36] <savvas> ethana3: sudo cp -R ./* /media/disk/
[11:36] <ethana3> done
[11:36] <savvas> ethana3: sudo cp $HOME/aptfiles/*.deb /media/disk/
[11:36] <ethana3> done
[11:37] <unggnu> secretlondon, Do you know a gdm bug which prevents gdm from login if the user directory is empty? :)
[11:37] <savvas> ethana3: check if the 3 deb files are in: ls /media/disk/*.deb
[11:37] <unggnu> secretlondon, btw. I have added much data, maybe you know what could be interesting too?
[11:37] <ethana3> 3 deb files are there.
[11:37] <savvas> ethana3: sudo -i
[11:37] <secretlondon> unggnu: I don't, I'll have a look
[11:38] <ethana3> done
[11:38] <savvas> ethana3: mount -o bind /dev /media/disk/dev
[11:38] <savvas> ethana3: mount -o bind /proc /media/disk/proc
[11:38] <ethana3> done
[11:38] <ethana3> hold up
[11:38] <unggnu> secretlondon, many thanks
[11:38] <savvas> ok :)
[11:38] <ethana3> both done
[11:38] <savvas> ethana3: cp /proc/mounts /media/disk/etc/mtab
[11:38] <ethana3> done
[11:38] <savvas> ethana3: chroot /media/disk/ /bin/bash
[11:39]  * savvas crosses fingers
[11:39] <ethana3> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[11:39] <savvas> ethana3: ls -l /bin/bash
[11:40] <ethana3> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 701776 Feb  9 03:55 /bin/bash
[11:41] <savvas> ethana3: which live cd are you using?
[11:41] <ethana3> hardy alpha.. 5
[11:41] <savvas> that's the one i have
[11:41] <savvas> hm..
[11:42] <savvas> ethana3: echo $USER
[11:42] <ethana3> root
[11:42] <savvas> ethana3: bash --version
[11:43] <ethana3> GNU bash, version 3.2.33(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
[11:43] <ethana3> Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[11:43] <savvas> give me a sec
[11:43] <ethana3> k
[11:43]  * ethana3 gets a drink, brb
[11:44]  * ethana3 is back
[11:44] <savvas> ethana3: exit
[11:45] <ethana3> k
[11:45] <ethana3> done
[11:45] <savvas> ethana3: cd $HOME/aptfiles
[11:45] <ethana3> done
[11:45] <savvas> ethana3: apt-cache policy bash | grep Installed
[11:46] <ethana3>   Installed: 3.2-0ubuntu14
[11:46] <savvas> ethana3: wget http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bash/bash_3.2-0ubuntu15_i386.deb
[11:46] <ethana3> downloading...
[11:47] <ethana3> done
[11:47] <savvas> ethana3: dpkg -i bash_3.2-0ubuntu15_i386.deb
[11:47] <savvas> er
[11:47] <savvas> ethana3: sudo dpkg -i bash_3.2-0ubuntu15_i386.deb
[11:47] <ethana3> er
[11:47] <savvas> :)
[11:47] <ethana3> k...
[11:47] <Pici> can I ask something silly? What exactly are you two trying to install/do?
[11:47] <ethana3> i just want out of hades
[11:48] <savvas> Pici: fixing his bash so that i can make him chroot
[11:48] <savvas> should we go privately?
[11:48] <Pici> savvas: okay, just curious
[11:48] <ethana3> probably
[11:48] <unggnu> secretlondon, I have found the solution/problem :(
[11:48] <secretlondon> unggnu: cool, but :(
[11:48] <savvas> ok private it is :p
[11:48] <secretlondon> just amd64?
[11:49] <unggnu> secretlondon, because it was easy. Through some dist-upgrade some gnome packages have been removed. sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should fixes it
[11:49] <secretlondon> ah
[11:49] <savvas> ethana3: you got my private message?
[11:50] <unggnu> awkward :)
[11:50] <darrend> what's the issue with this "scim" keyboard switcher in the panel??  Why can I not get rid of it?
[11:50] <ethana3> yes
[11:50] <hypatia> Re the topic, libc6 2.7-9ubuntu1 and libc6-i686 2.7-9ubuntu1 are still perfectly downloadable from mirrors, in particular au.archive.ubuntu.com.
[11:50] <savvas> ok
[11:50] <ethana3> i responded also
[11:50] <ethana3> twice
[11:50] <savvas> ethana3: ah you haven't registered?
[11:51] <ethana3> oh, my other machine has my 'real' nick
[11:51] <Armored_Azrae1> Hey, I have an Intel HDA card, and during some upgrade between when I installed hardy and now, sound stopped working
[11:51] <ethana3> this is my incremented one...  i'm logged in at two locations
[11:51] <darrend> and why does it appear to need 9 processes on my machine?
[11:51] <savvas> give it a quick pass :P
[11:51] <ethana3> logging out on other machine
[11:51] <Armored_Azrae1> card still shows up and everything, and appears to be responding, but generates no sound
[11:51] <savvas> ok
[11:51] <darrend> this is almost microsoft-esque
[11:51] <Armored_Azrae1> Any known issues or information I should look for?
[11:51] <unggnu> secretlondon, What is the package association for upgrade problems?
[11:51] <ethana3> brb, k?
[11:51] <savvas> ok
[11:52] <secretlondon> unggnu: update-manager
[11:52] <secretlondon> but probs caused by dist-upgrades in alpha releases may not be bugs
[11:52] <unggnu> secretlondon, thx
[11:52] <unggnu> secretlondon, I know, just that it have a package associaton
[11:52]  * secretlondon nods
[11:55] <Armored_Azrae1> Nevermind. Friend jammed a sawed off plug into it, and I didn't notice. Sorry bout that
[12:00] <astan> where can i find the kernel configuration file for the default kernel in hardy?
[12:06] <Turski> chroot didn't work when i tried to fix libc from livecd
[12:06] <Turski> but i copied the files from package to my root partition
[12:07] <Turski> however now it's complaining something about malloc if i try to open terminal
[12:08] <Turski> it complained something about malloc also when i tried chroot
[12:09] <Turski> what i can do?
[12:09]  * Dr_willis thinks hes going to wait a week befor updating... :)
[12:09] <hypatia> Turski: Which package did you copy? I had to do dpkg -x from both libc and libc-i686.
[12:10] <Turski> i copied only libc
[12:11] <Turski> hm, i if fixed version would come soon into repos, it vould be possible to upgrade that with adeps...
[12:11] <Turski> adept*
[12:12] <Turski> or is there graphical way to install .debs?
[12:12] <Turski> since i cant use command line :S
[12:12] <Dr_willis> If you cant use the command line.. there may be deeper issues going on
[12:13] <Turski> yeh...
[12:13] <hypatia> In the Live CD, you can use dpkg -x something.deb /mnt/whereeveryourmountedroot to unpack a .deb
[12:13] <Turski> that's true, but i managed to start irssi with alt+f2 :)
[12:13] <ConstyXIV> does evolution in hardy have IMAP push?
[12:13] <Dr_willis> try alt-f3 and see if ya can get another terminal then perhaps.
[12:14] <Turski> huh?
[12:14] <Dr_willis> You should be able to get to a terminal/login on alt-f1 through f6
[12:14] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-f1 throug F6 if running X at the time. :)
[12:14] <Turski> i'm not thalkin about ctrl+alt+f*
[12:15] <bazhang> heh
[12:15] <Turski> they are not working
[12:15] <Pici> Turski: Are you on the live cd?
[12:15] <Turski> no
[12:15] <Dr_willis> consoles not working.,.. or are just graphicaly gibberish?
[12:15] <Dr_willis> i always disable the framebuffer  for my console-kung-fu-needs :)
[12:15] <Turski> Dr_willis: i said that it complains something about malloc and quits
[12:16] <Dr_willis> thats really weird that the console login isent working.. but the X login does.
[12:16] <Turski> yeh
[12:16] <Dr_willis> as in REALLY REALLY weird.
[12:17] <JDahl> I've been bitten by a weird keyboard layout error; I think it's been mentioned in here lately.  Is there a manual way to fix it?
[12:18] <Turski> malloc: ../ash/subst.c:3472: assertion botched
[12:18] <JDahl> ie,  how do I get an english alphabet again?
[12:18] <Dr_willis> Turski,   ash? Hmm thats a alternative shell i thought..
[12:18] <Dr_willis> dident even think it wqs installed by default on ubuntu
[12:19] <Turski> Dr_willis: there should be b
[12:20] <Dr_willis> !info ash
[12:20] <ubotu> ash (source: dash): compatibility package for dash. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4-8ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 21 kB, installed size 72 kB
[12:20] <Turski> just typoed
[12:20] <Dr_willis> or i could be miss-reading that error.. Hmm
[12:20] <Dr_willis> ash compatiablty package for dash.. interesting.
[12:20] <Dr_willis> so can you get to a terminal under X with xterm, or gnome-terminal or so forth?
[12:22] <Turski> nope, it says that malloc error too
[12:22] <Turski> but when i opened irssi directly with alt+f2 to konsole it opened
[12:25] <JDahl> noone else has a completely screwed up keyboard/language in gnome?
[12:26] <Dr_willis> try alt-f2  'xterm -e  bash'
[12:27] <Dr_willis> actually.. with irssi , you an run arbitary shell commands also. :)
[12:27] <Dr_willis> so in theory you could do a /exec sudo apt-get install somthing
[12:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:29] <Turski> aha, if i run all commands from alt+f2, they work
[12:29] <Turski> just sudo do thath and it does
[12:29] <Turski> :)
[12:29] <Dr_willis> alt-f2 xterm dont work tho?
[12:30] <Turski> actually i dont have xterm
[12:31] <Dr_willis>  /exec sudo apt-get install xterm
[12:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:31] <cprov> hi, guys, I'm trying to recover from the libc disaster but I don't seem to be able to mount a pen-drive (with the old package) inside the initramfs. Can someone help me ?
[12:31] <Dr_willis> or rxvt.
[12:31] <Turski> why i should install xterm
[12:31] <Dr_willis> xterm isent installed by default? thats.. weird
[12:31] <Dr_willis> !info xterm
[12:31] <ubotu> xterm (source: xterm): X terminal emulator. In component main, is optional. Version 229-1 (hardy), package size 444 kB, installed size 1092 kB
[12:31] <Dr_willis> Thats almost... blasphmy!
[12:31] <Turski> i know that it's terminal emulator
[12:31] <Dr_willis> !info rxvt
[12:31] <ubotu> rxvt (source: rxvt): VT102 terminal emulator for the X Window System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.6.4-12 (hardy), package size 196 kB, installed size 556 kB
[12:31] <Turski> im not stupid, but i have zillion terminal emulators so wwhy xterm?
[12:32] <cprov> Fujitsu already helped me to get the pen-drive recognized by the kernel, it's sdb1 but this node is missing from /dev/, how can I create it manually ?
[12:32] <Dr_willis>  its much smaller memory wise then konsole or gnometerminal
[12:32] <Dr_willis> rxvt is smaller still
[12:32] <Dr_willis> a zillion? I can only think of 6 :)
[12:32] <Turski> Dr_willis: omg, i have only 2Gb of memory
[12:32] <Fujitsu> cprov: Another solution has popped up, as it turns out.
[12:32] <Turski> will konsole eat all?
[12:32] <Dr_willis> Turski,  do whatever you want then.. i dont care.. i was helpong you troubleshoot..
[12:32] <Dr_willis> guess i wont try any more. :)
[12:32] <Turski> Dr_willis: i just cant understand what would xterm help
[12:33] <Dr_willis> how to you launch gnome-terminal to make it spawn a differnt shell from the command line?
[12:33] <Turski> it doesnt matter what terminal emulator i use
[12:33] <tamarind> has the libc6 bug been fixed? It still shows up on the update list?
[12:33] <Dr_willis> Im not sure it can. xterm -e will.
[12:33] <Turski> huh?
[12:33] <Dr_willis> actually that would be handy.. to spawn a gnome terminal with differnt programs in each shell..
[12:33] <Fujitsu> cprov: Boot the kernel with break=bottom, so you get your root filesystem mounted. Then 'cp /lib/libc.so.6 /root/lib/libc-2.7.so'
[12:34] <Turski> and i am using kde
[12:34] <Pici> tamarind: I believe they are blocking it now.
[12:34] <Fujitsu> cprov: That'll copy the (hopefully good) libc6 from the initramfs.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> im not sure konsole can do it either..  I need to look into that someday.
[12:34] <tamarind> Pici: Ok.
[12:34] <cprov> Fujitsu ...great, let me try
[12:34] <Turski> i ran sudo dpkg -i --force-downgrade /libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb from alt+f2
[12:34] <Pici> tamarind: ah, and the /topic already says so too
[12:35] <Dr_willis> Gotta love good topics.
[12:36]  * Dr_willis goes back to reading the ubuntun brainstorms at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[12:36] <Turski> trying to boot now
[12:36] <Turski> ah, not need to
[12:36] <Turski> terminal works
[12:38] <Turski> then just waiting for fixed package
[12:39] <cprov> Fujitsu, looks like I also need s/ro/rw in the kernel cmdline
[12:40] <Fujitsu> cprov: I thought breaking at bottom would do that, but you might need to do it manually.
[12:40] <cprov> Fujitsu, I have a shell :)
[12:41] <Fujitsu> cprov: A shell with a writable root?
[12:42] <cvw> Hrm, I wonder if the topic has anything to do with my problem.  Last night I my usual aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade, then later I shutdown the computer and went to bed.  This morning it doesn't boot.  I can get into busybox but that's a whole new environment for me.  Is theer a FAQ, link, anything that can help get the computer working properly again?
[12:42] <cprov> Fujitsu, slightly better, I shell in my account
[12:42] <Fujitsu> cprov: Oh, good :)
[12:42] <cprov> Fujitsu, the problem is that sudo is still broken, and I can't mount my pen-drive :(
[12:43] <Fujitsu> cprov: bash runs OK, though?
[12:43] <cprov> yes, it does
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Then recovery mode should work, so you can get a root shell.
[12:44] <dbmoodb> do not upgrade it ?
[12:44] <dbmoodb> too late
[12:44] <cprov> single-user ?
[12:45] <Fujitsu> cprov: init=/bin/bash would do.
[12:45] <Dr_willis> old-skool :) heh heh
[12:45] <Dr_willis> i did a  init=/bin/irssi once
[12:45] <Fujitsu> Dr_willis: What use was that without networking?
[12:46] <Dr_willis> Fujitsu,  yep. :) it had issues...
[12:46] <Dr_willis> init=/usr/bin/games/nethack
[12:47] <cvw> So, no ideas on my issue eh?
[12:48] <cprov> Fujitsu, downgrade is done. Before I make any other mistake ... what's next ?
[12:48] <dbmoodb> so is there a working libc6 that i grab /
[12:49] <Fujitsu> cprov: Downgrading libc6?
[12:49] <dbmoodb> cprov: where did you get it from --> just updated my self
[12:49] <cprov> Fujitsu, yup, installed version 2.7.5ubuntu2
[12:49] <Fujitsu> cprov: I think you should be done.
[12:49] <Fujitsu> What arch, though?
[12:50] <cprov> i386
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Good.
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Try to sudo.
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Before rebooting.
[12:50] <dbmoodb> - is it ok to use synaptic to do it ? ... oh wait
[12:50] <cprov> uhm, I guess I can get the new one, the fix, no ?
[12:50] <Fujitsu> cprov: If it has built yet.
[12:50] <dbmoodb> apparently not
[12:50] <dbmoodb> Fujitsu: where can i get a working libc6 ?
[12:50] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: You've not rebooted yet?
[12:50] <cprov> Fujitsu, sudo is working again
[12:50] <dbmoodb> --> version no number ...
[12:50] <dbmoodb> Fujitsu: no
[12:50] <Fujitsu> cprov: You're good then :)
[12:51] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: Watch the bug, official instructions for recovery should be posted shortly.
[12:51] <dbmoodb> ah can  i start anything up...
[12:51] <dbmoodb> doesn't look like it
[12:52] <Fujitsu> cprov: When you're back, I've got a pastebin of the content of the i386 libc6 build that you probably want to look at. It seems to say that it was pending, building and finished, all at the same time.
[12:52] <cprov> Fujitsu ... fantastic, I own you many, I mean *many*,  favours ... thank you.
[12:52] <Fujitsu> cprov: No, you've fixed a lot of my bugs :)
[12:52] <dbmoodb> how do i fix it then ?
[12:52] <dbmoodb> reboot to another os ?
[12:53] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: That's why there is the warning not to upgrade :P
[12:53] <dbmoodb> yeah but i updated before i saw that rofl
[12:53] <Turski> dbmoodb: just read the topic
[12:53] <cprov> none of the bugs I've fixed for you were blocking your life, as this one is blocking mine ;)
[12:53] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[12:54] <cprov> Fujitsu, sure, let me get back on track ... brb
[12:55] <dbmoodb> i am reading this stuff but...
[12:55] <dbmoodb> how do i go about fixing this from my debian install ....
[12:55] <Turski> dbmoodb: jsut like from live cd?
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Turski: No, Debian has a different libc6.
[12:56] <ConstyXIV> anyone running hardy on an eee?  what's the compatibility like?
[12:56] <dbmoodb> livecd ?
[12:56] <Turski> Fujitsu: ?
[12:56] <dbmoodb> apparently you can use ksh
[12:56] <Turski> Fujitsu: it tells to download right one?
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Turski: Oh, not the solution on the forum that I saw.
[12:56] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: Or dash, or a few others.
[12:56] <Turski> and copy the files by hand
[12:57] <Turski> dbmoodb: does your apt work?
[12:57] <dbmoodb> anyway to invoke them now ?
[12:57] <dbmoodb> i hope so
[12:57] <Turski> or dpkg
[12:58] <Turski> download old libc6 and install it with dpkg -i --force-downgrade ./package.deb
[12:59] <dbmoodb> using debians ...
[12:59] <dbmoodb> using debian dpkg ?
[12:59] <Turski> oh
[12:59] <Turski> not then
[13:00] <dbmoodb> chroot you mean
[13:00] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: OK, what you can do is... reboot, and edit the GRUB kernel directive to include init=/bin/dash
[13:00] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: chroot won't work.
[13:00] <dbmoodb> will do
[13:00] <dbmoodb> oh really...
[13:00] <dbmoodb> ok
[13:00] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: And break=bottom too, sorry.
[13:00] <dbmoodb> ?
[13:01] <Fujitsu> Once you've done that, you should get a nice dash prompt.
[13:01] <Fujitsu> mount -o rw,remount /root
[13:01] <Fujitsu> Er, not /root, /.
[13:01] <dbmoodb> not ksh ?
[13:01] <Fujitsu> Probably doesn't really matter; I just know that dash works.
[13:02] <Fujitsu> Then dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_someworkingversion.deb
[13:02] <Turski> dbmoodb: don't you have live cd?
[13:02] <Fujitsu> Where someworkingversion is the latest one before the broken one that you have.
[13:02] <Turski> or actually u don't nee it...
[13:03] <dbmoodb> livecd of...
[13:03] <dbmoodb> gutsy yes
[13:03] <Turski> dbmoodb: is that debian on same machine u broke?
[13:03] <dbmoodb> yeah
[13:03] <Turski> oh, good
[13:03] <dbmoodb> i keep etch as my production stuff
[13:03] <dbmoodb> i'm not crazy enough to run hardy alpha for production :)
[13:04] <dbmoodb> it is stable but... not...
[13:04] <Turski> then just extract old ubuntu's libc6 and copy files by hand to ubuntu
[13:04] <dbmoodb> oh ?
[13:04] <Turski> you can do that with dpkg -X i think...
[13:04] <dbmoodb> ah..... where should i find libc in the pool ?
[13:04] <dbmoodb> --> trying to find it
[13:05] <dbmoodb> oops my fault wrong dir
[13:05] <Turski> dpkg -X /dir/to/extract
[13:05] <Turski> dbmoodb: looks for forum... it's there
[13:05] <dbmoodb> --> looking at my isp
[13:05] <Turski> found it
[13:05] <Turski> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11110565/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> just use dpkg --root=
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> (Its designed for exactly this issue)
[13:06] <Turski> h3sp4wn: good idea
[13:07] <Turski> dbmoodb: and if -12 kernel isn't working after that try to boot -11
[13:07] <dbmoodb> let me reboot
[13:08] <dbmoodb> rofl
[13:08] <dbmoodb> beat it
[13:08] <dbmoodb> you go xterm dash
[13:08] <dbmoodb> and you get a console up
[13:08] <dbmoodb> nevermind ... you cannot get to root by the looks of it
[13:08] <ethana3> savvas: hi
[13:08] <ethana3> rebooting
[13:08] <Turski> ...?
[13:08] <savvas> ok
[13:09] <savvas> and there it goes:)
[13:09] <dbmoodb> ok i have a dash screen up --> any ideas of how to get to root without sudo :)
[13:09] <Turski> oh, irssi wasn't in screen
[13:10] <Turski> dbmoodb: why didn't u do like i said?
[13:10] <dbmoodb> i will reboot in one second -- wanting to see how far i could get now
[13:10] <Turski> but that extracting package from debian was the solution ;)
[13:10] <ethana3> starting up...
[13:10] <ethana3> -8 kernel
[13:11] <dbmoodb> oh sure
[13:11] <ethana3> yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[13:11] <dbmoodb> but .... i like trying this way
[13:11] <ethana3> same kernel panic
[13:11] <dbmoodb> rebooting is a real pain
[13:11] <savvas> ethana3: try the recovery kernel images, see if that helps
[13:11] <ethana3> run-init: /sbin/init: Permission denied
[13:11] <ethana3> ok
[13:11] <ethana3> -8 recovery image
[13:11] <ethana3> a second...
[13:12] <Turski> ok :)
[13:13] <ethana3> starting...
[13:13] <ethana3> same kernel panic
[13:13] <ethana3> drat
[13:13] <ethana3> would you like me to transcribe the whole screen into a pastebin?
[13:13] <ethana3> colemak typist..  i type fast
[13:13] <ethana3> ..and don't get tired at all
[13:14] <savvas> neah that's ok, just the last 4-5 lines
[13:14] <ethana3> alright
[13:14] <ethana3> to pastebin?
[13:14] <savvas> yep
[13:14] <ethana3> k
[13:14] <savvas> the only thing i can think of right now is to try and replace the kernel images
[13:14] <ethana3> a minute...
[13:19] <ethana3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5655/
[13:20] <dbmoodb> so dpkg -X just extracts a package
[13:21] <ethana3> savvas: is there a log we should extract from the safety of a live session?
[13:21] <cpro1> Fujitsu: all good, thanks again.
[13:21] <Fujitsu> cpro1: No problem, glad it worked out.
[13:21] <savvas> ethana3: go on the live cd again
[13:21] <ethana3> got it.
[13:21] <ethana3> just a minute...
[13:21] <savvas> i'm reading something that might help
[13:21] <ethana3> k
[13:22] <cpro1> err, except this "red stop traffic sign" my app bar ;)
[13:22] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[13:22] <dbmoodb> so Fujitsu just go dpkg -x ..... seems a bit simple
[13:22] <Fujitsu> That'll probably be libc6-dev or libc6-i686 complaining about the different version of libc6.
[13:24] <Fujitsu> cpro1: As you probably saw in -devel, a proper fix will be around soon... though you can probably get it early with your superpowers.
[13:24] <ethana3> yarr, i always forget to set the keymap in the beginning with the livecd's
[13:25] <ethana3> oh well, just takes a second longer anyway
[13:26] <cprov> Fujitsu: ehe, I don't think I can speedup the builders, but let me check
[13:26] <savvas> ethana3: it looks like of the libraries has a permission problem
[13:26] <ethana3> it's up..
[13:26] <Fujitsu> cprov: They've all built, so it's just waiting on publishing, so there's probably nothing more to be done.
[13:26] <ethana3> just a sec, setting key layout and logging into freenode, etc
[13:27] <savvas> ok
[13:27] <bisho> I have a bug problem with Hardy
[13:28] <Pici> see /topic
[13:28] <bisho> libc6 update seg-faulted
[13:28] <bisho> and now....
[13:28] <bisho> hehe
[13:28] <bisho> sorry
[13:28] <ethana3> k
[13:28] <bisho> I going to try that and close my bug as dupped
[13:28] <bisho> thx a lot!
[13:30] <kjetilkWork> I've got my libc6 fixed now, but for some reason, I can't open anything, even from a terminal running as my own user, I get "cannot open display :0.0"
[13:30] <kjetilkWork> if it is not on :0.0, how can I found out the name of the display?
[13:31] <cprov> Fujitsu: yes, they i386 binaries will be in a.u.c within 25 minutes, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libc6-i686
[13:31] <jetsaredim> what's going on with the latest libc and linux-image-generic packages?
[13:31] <Pici> jetsaredim: /topic
[13:31] <tgelter> cprov: any news on x86_64?
[13:31] <Fujitsu> jetsaredim: /topic
[13:32] <jetsaredim> doh
[13:33] <cprov> tgelter: amd64 binaries will be in the same batch ... so prepare to download in 30 minutes or so.
[13:34] <tgelter> cprov: I'm not overly anxious (ok, I lie) but have several people waiting on me to tell them when to update, so thanks
[13:35] <cprov> tgelter: I hope this download wave doesn't take a.u.c down ...
[13:35] <Dat1> Hi Guys, just one quick question: Does anyone know if/when Firefox 3 beta 4 will come to hardy?
[13:35] <Fujitsu> tgelter: Watch out that they're not using mirrors, as they could take many hours to update.
[13:35] <Dat1> (If that's too much off topic now, just ignore my question...)
[13:35] <jetsaredim> Dat1: see #ubuntu-mozillateam
[13:36] <tgelter> Fujitsu: noted. I assume the updates are going to us.archive.ubuntu.com first?
[13:36] <Dat1> jetsaredim: OK, thx!
[13:36] <Fujitsu> tgelter: The central archive is archive.ubuntu.com. Due to an unfortunate set of circumstances, us.archive.ubuntu.com points there, so in a way, yes.
[13:37] <tgelter> Fujitsu: :) ok, thanks
[13:38] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -i --force-depends --root=/mnt *.deb (with the 2 old deb's) works fine
[13:39] <dbmoodb> so how do i fix this from debian now  ? - just dpkg -x you say ?
[13:39] <Viden> So what version of Evolution is in the next release?  2.22.0 ?
[13:44] <Viden> anyone ?
[13:44] <Leerok> Anyone what?
[13:45] <Viden> So what version of Evolution is in the next release?  2.22.0 ?
[13:45] <h3sp4wn> don't repeat look yourself
[13:45] <Fujitsu> !info evolution hardy
[13:45] <ubotu> evolution (source: evolution): groupware suite with mail client and organizer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2519 kB, installed size 8236 kB
[13:46] <Viden> thanks for not being rude Fujitsu
[13:46] <dbmoodb> Fujitsu: you say dpkg -x ... is that it ?
[13:47] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: I didn't say that. I forget who did.
[13:48] <dbmoodb> oh
[13:48] <savvas> Pici & Fujitsu - ethana3 had a file permissions problem :) /lib/ld-2.7.so
[13:48] <bisho> The libc6 problem has a bug # assigned?
[13:48] <Viden> Is it possible to install Evolution 2.22.0 on Ubuntu 7.10 ?
[13:48] <savvas> bisho: /topic
[13:48]  * dbmoodb seemed to be an road to blahend
[13:48] <bisho> I want to close my reported bug
[13:48] <savvas> mark it invalid then
[13:49] <bisho> ok
[13:49] <Fujitsu> bisho: Because it's a duplicate?
[13:49] <Pici> yes
[13:49] <Fujitsu> bisho: If so, you want the `Mark as duplicate' option in the Actions portlet.
[13:49] <Pici> Viden: I dont reccomend trying.
[13:49] <Viden> kk .. thanks pici
[13:51] <bisho> Fujitsu, I was asking if you know the official bug id for this problem so I could mark mine as duplicated of that one
[13:51] <bisho> but someone else has alredy marked it duplicate... :)
[13:52] <bmk789> anyone using apt-mirror in hardy?
[13:52] <Leerok> apt-proxy for me.
[13:53] <Leerok> ???
[13:53] <Leerok> Err http://192.168.8.9 hardy/main libc6-dev 2.7-9ubuntu1
[13:53] <Leerok>   500 Unknown status code: 403
[13:53] <Leerok> What is that?!
[13:53] <bmk789> same here
[13:53] <Leerok> Oh, so it's not just me.
[13:53] <bmk789> i couldnt get those 3 packages either
[13:54] <Leerok> Alright, no panicking for me, then.
[13:54] <bmk789> libc6, libc6-dev and libc6-i386
[13:54] <Pici>  /topic
[13:56] <Pici> bmk789: Leerok: dunno if you caught my message see topic.
[13:56] <bmk789> ah
[13:56] <lamalex> so libc has been fixed?
[13:56] <bmk789> glad i didnt upgrade sooner
[13:58] <`sam`> when the libc is "fixed" you guys go ahead and install it and let me know how it goes :)
[13:58] <Pici> I'm trying now.
[13:58] <Pici> Guess if it doesnt work I'm not going to be happy because I'm ssh-ed in right now.
[14:05] <astan> hm. can i get the kernel .config for hardy online somewhere? i don't have access to a hardy machine atm.
[14:07] <Turski> how do i see what version of libc6 is in repositories?
[14:08]  * TheInfinity loves libc6 errors
[14:08] <ccooke> apt-cache show libc6 | less
[14:08] <Turski> ccooke: but doesn't that show what's installed?
[14:09] <ccooke> Turski: no, apt-cache operates on the downloaded cache of pakages available
[14:09] <ccooke> to see what's installed, use dpkg -l libc6
[14:09] <secretlondon> madison, but not sure of the syntax
[14:09] <Turski> ok... so 2.7-5ubuntu2
[14:09] <Turski> ok... so 2.7-5ubuntu2 is vurrently in repos
[14:09] <secretlondon> rmadison
[14:10] <`sam`> Turski, it was just updated in the repos a few minutes ago i think
[14:10] <Turski> but i think that doesnt come in same minute to all mirrors...?
[14:10] <secretlondon> secret@celery:~/cvs$ rmadison libc6
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 |        dapper | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5 | dapper-updates | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.4-1ubuntu12 |          edgy | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 |  edgy-updates | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.5-0ubuntu14 |        feisty | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <dbmoodb> wait so we now have a working libc6 ?
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.6.1-1ubuntu9 |         gutsy | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 | gutsy-updates | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.7-5ubuntu2 |         hardy | powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.7-9ubuntu1 |         hardy | amd64, i386
[14:10] <secretlondon> Turksi: yeah, it takes time to get to all mirrors
[14:11] <`sam`> Turski, right, mirrors might take a while to get it
[14:11] <jussi01> !paste | secretlondon
[14:11] <ubotu> secretlondon: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:11] <dbmoodb> so which one is working ?
[14:12] <Skaman> there's a way to fix the kubuntu install through the cd?i even can't login in shell mode after the latest hardy install...
[14:12] <bmk789> so 2.7-9ubuntu2 is safe?
[14:12] <Turski> Skaman: see topic
[14:13] <motoplux> yeah it's safe. I just upgraded
[14:13] <secretlondon> jussi01: point taken, but I was answering Turksi's problem
[14:13] <Skaman> let me chack
[14:13] <`sam`> libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2 is the newest one i see, but i haven't tried installing it yet... don't have time today to fix it if it doesn't work
[14:13]  * bmk789 is upgrading to it now
[14:13] <dbmoodb> i'm happy to try it
[14:14] <bmk789> ill let you know if its good, ill be back in about 10 minutes
[14:14] <dbmoodb>  2.7-5ubuntu2 is installed
[14:14] <dbmoodb> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[14:14] <Turski> libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2 not yet in finnish mirror
[14:14] <dbmoodb> ah - no not on mine either
[14:16] <oxigen> gee, someone locked forum thread befor it was published solution for 64 bit build :/ what now? what is the solution?
[14:16] <Milos_SD> are other update that we had yesterday OK to install?
[14:16]  * ethana3 crosses fingers
[14:16] <savvas> don't cross them, it will be ok
[14:16] <ethana3> heh, i hope so
[14:16] <oxigen> stupid forum admins
[14:17] <ethana3> logically, yes
[14:17] <savvas> oxigen: manners :)
[14:17] <oxigen> yea, yea
[14:17] <ethana3> oh no
[14:17] <oxigen> gimme mannered solution then
[14:17] <ipe64> i just updated my alpha 6 hardy heron x64 using wubi on visat x64 it will not start up any more i have uninstalled removed unbuntu from the vista boot manager ok i think i will wait till april then give it anther go
[14:17] <ethana3> it got farther...
[14:17] <ethana3> it's throwing errors on all my usb devices
[14:18] <ethana3> ...starting userful desktop multiplier...
[14:18] <nandemonai> Ok so the latest version of libc6 is ok or not as yet?
[14:18] <`sam`> oxigen, it says the thread will be updated when fixes are prepared
[14:18] <ethana3> savvas: got both seats working now
[14:18] <dbmoodb> nandemonai: wait it out for a bit
[14:18] <ethana3> logging into mine
[14:18] <oxigen> `sam`, huh, sorry then .. :)
[14:18] <nandemonai> I might leave it till tomorrow then.
[14:18] <savvas> ethana3: it's booting up though right? must be the new kernel upgrade, use the -8 if you need anything usb'ish :P
[14:19] <ethana3> oh, ok
[14:19] <ethana3> it works fine
[14:19] <ethana3> logging in both users just for the heck of it
[14:20] <savvas> oxigen: about the libc6 problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4506738#post4506738
[14:20] <ethana2> ok...
[14:21] <oxigen> savvas: thanks!
[14:22] <ethana3> now my sister's laptop... i don't know its status.....
[14:22] <savvas> oxigen: that's my mannered solution :P i hope it works for you too
[14:22] <ethana3> but i know i have two sane machines
[14:22] <ethana3> and now i know what i'm doing
[14:23] <savvas> go ahead
[14:23] <savvas> :)
[14:23] <savvas> i'm off, got some tasks to do
[14:23] <ethana3> k
[14:23] <ethana3> savvas: thank you very very much
[14:23] <savvas> enjoy your (fixed) o/s :D
[14:23] <oxigen> savvas: ok, sorry, i'm a bit nervous, you know, when 14 days of tweaking goes down the drain just like that...
[14:23] <ethana3> oh i will
[14:23] <ethana3> and i'll not be taking it for granted again soon
[14:24] <savvas> oxigen: footnote: if you get "/bin/bash: permission denied", sudo chmod 755 /media/disk/lib/ld-2.7.so
[14:25] <bmk789> libc6 is good
[14:25] <oxigen> savvas: thanks again!
[14:25] <savvas> no, libc6 ---> 2.7-9ubuntu2 <--- is good, not the ubuntu1
[14:30] <KrimZon> i just updated and couldn't start applications - they'd just show the loading cursor and then the taskbar button for them would disappear
[14:30] <KrimZon> then i rebooted and it hung on starting system log daemon
[14:31] <dbmoodb> yeah libc6
[14:31] <Ng> KrimZon: see the channel topic
[14:31] <dbmoodb> krimzon i just went through this personally :)
[14:31] <UB`> KrimZon read the topic
[14:31] <dbmoodb> i think we need to warn people to check on irc if it is ok to update before doing so in alpha's
[14:32] <KrimZon> aha
[14:32]  * dbmoodb forgot to consider hardy like sid
[14:32] <KrimZon> this is apparently going to be very tricky to fix
[14:32] <Ng> dbmoodb: it is worth remembering that hardy is a development version and you should expect this kind of thing will happen every day
[14:32] <dbmoodb> ah ahm
[14:32] <KrimZon> i was already holding off the -12 kernel
[14:32] <dbmoodb> i just said i forgot too
[14:33] <dbmoodb> Ng: but ubuntu makes it so easy to forget
[14:37] <lamalex> someone should update topic that 2.7-9ubuntu2 is ok to install
[14:38] <axisys> thanks god I get a 403 forbidden while trying to download libc6 :-(
[14:38] <axisys> so my system is working fine
[14:38] <lamalex> :)
[14:41] <darx> whats the fastest version of flash player for linux? I need something over version 8
[14:41] <darx> the latest one is a cpu pig
[14:41] <LeeJunFan> they all are
[14:41] <darx> the latest one is even more so
[14:43] <tgelter> lamalex: what's the broken version?
[14:43] <lamalex> 2.7-9ubuntu1
[14:44] <Turski> lamalex: it's not yet on all mirrors
[14:44] <LeeJunFan> if you download ubuntu2 you can just dpkg -i it
[14:44] <tgelter> ah, still figuring out the versioning format
[14:44] <lamalex> Turski: I know, which is why they should say that that version number is ok to install
[14:44] <bwlang> just read through the lib6 thread... i still have a shell running, but sudo segfaults... i don't have a root password set.  is there some alternative way to su so i can overwrite libc with the proper version?
[14:44] <Turski> easier to say that do not upgrade :P
[14:45] <bwlang> maybe gksudo?
[14:45] <lamalex> gksudo relies on sude
[14:45] <lamalex> sudo
[14:45] <Turski> bwlang: it's broken now
[14:45] <lamalex> but worth a try
[14:45] <Turski> and it's not sudo's fault
[14:45] <tgelter> bwlan: what about using tar?
[14:45] <LeeJunFan> it's got to do with the password part of sudo. I have my sudo set to nopasswd so sudo works fine here.
[14:45] <Turski> it's just that libc is borken
[14:47] <UB`> lamalex didi you try the libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2_i386.deb  ?
[14:47] <tgelter> bwlang: nevermind, I am distracted and not thinking clearly
[14:47] <bwlang> tgelter: i can extract the files... but i can't get the permission to overwrite them.
[14:47] <bwlang> so i'm headed for a livecd, no alternative method of getting root?
[14:47] <tgelter> bwlang: does init work?
[14:47] <bwlang> that doesn't depend on libc ;)
[14:47] <LeeJunFan> bwlang: no, other than booting into single mode (if that would even work)
[14:47] <tgelter> init 1...
[14:48] <LeeJunFan> I think it should.
[14:48] <lamalex> UB`: I just installed it
[14:48] <lamalex> I haven't rebooted yet, getting ready to
[14:48] <bwlang> i doubt init 1 will do it since it'll try to spawn a shell...  but i can fix it pretty easily from a live cd.
[14:49] <lamalex> if I'm not back in 5 minutes, you know don't upgrade :P
[14:49] <UB`> ahha
[14:49] <LeeJunFan> lamalex: it's working fine here.
[14:49] <UB`> lamalex we are waiting you ;)
[14:49] <dbmoodb> dibs on his boxed
[14:50] <dbmoodb> boxen*
[14:50] <bwlang> lesson learned: set a root password, even if you don't need it.
[14:50] <UB`> bwlang :)
[14:50] <bwlang> sure would be handy right about now.
[14:50] <tgelter> bwlang: I've heard that booting with init=/bin/sh works
[14:50] <dbmoodb> lesson sudo is no sub. for su
[14:52] <lamalex> win
[14:52] <lamalex> seems safe
[14:53] <dbmoodb> the 2 version is safeish ?
[14:54] <lamalex> i upgraded fine a moment ago
[14:54] <lamalex> and that's the word on the street
[14:54] <lamalex> this is testing! live on the edge!
[14:56] <emefarr> ubuntu 8.04 alpha 6 on hp dc7100 sff with Broadcom nic (BCM95751).  Has been running gutsy for months.  Runs live cd w/no prob.  Installs alpha6, grabs first set of updates, reboot - no more nic available.  Suggestions?
[14:57] <axisys> anyone know of a tool that display the rss feed as a horizontal scroll on the top as a news bar?
[14:57] <lamalex> can't conky do that?
[14:57] <Pici> It may
[14:58] <lamalex> axisys: look into conky, it does everything ever
[14:58] <axisys> lamalex: cool let me check it out
[14:59] <axisys> lamalex: this shows only system performance
[14:59] <lamalex> no, it does everything, that's just it's main job
[15:00] <lamalex> you'll need to edit the conkyrc
[15:00] <UB`> emefarr do you use ndiswrapper?
[15:00] <lamalex> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=472010
[15:01] <e\ectro_> yep
[15:01] <lamalex> axisys: ^^
[15:01] <axisys> lamalex: and it runs on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[15:01] <e\ectro_> i've been bitten by the libc6
[15:01] <lamalex> it runs on any linux
[15:01] <axisys> lamalex: on
[15:01] <axisys> lamalex: ok
[15:01] <KrimZon> where does ubuntu download its debs from?
[15:01] <dbmoodb> where you set it too KrimZon
[15:02] <darrend> conky can be a bit of a performance drain when doing stuff like that though.  YMMV
[15:02] <lamalex> KrimZon: look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:02] <KrimZon> i'm browsing blinly around on gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[15:02] <KrimZon> *blindly
[15:02] <emefarr> no.   new install
[15:02] <KrimZon> looking for a good libc6
[15:03] <emefarr> worked fine until I rebooted after first round of patches
[15:03] <axisys> darrend: u have any other suggestion?
[15:03] <UB`> emefarr your card works with ndiswrapper?
[15:03] <JUGGALO_BEAVIS> jel zna ko srpski
[15:03] <emefarr> I can try it.
[15:03] <jjrojo>  Someone who uses hardy have problems with the nvidia drivers?
[15:03] <UB`> there's a problem with ndiswrapper and ssb
[15:03] <emefarr> Ah...
[15:04] <UB`> emefarr if your card needs ndiswrapper you need to load it before ssb
[15:04] <darrend> axisys: could try adesklets/gdesklets..?
[15:04] <emefarr> searched for "hardy alpha6 broadcom" before I posted  didn't find anything
[15:04] <emefarr> it did work under gutsy without ndiswrapper for months
[15:05] <UB`> try > sudo modprobe -r ohci_hcd && sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[15:05] <UB`> but only if your card works with ndiswrapper otherwise it'e another problem
[15:06] <emefarr> thanks!  will try that now  otherwise thinking about re-installing and checking logs and dmesg in between steps this time
[15:06] <KrimZon> i can't find it manually... does anyone have a url for the working libc6 package?
[15:06] <articpenguin380> is there a netinstall for hardy?
[15:06] <axisys> darrend: let me look
[15:13] <frank_> any chance flash will work in konqueror in hardy? something about the drawing method not being supported...
[15:13] <dbmoodb> pici where do we grab the latest version from
[15:13] <Pici> apt?
[15:13] <dbmoodb> not in my mirror yet
[15:13] <secretlondon> check your mirror - getting reports that the broken version is unfrozen in some mirrors
[15:14] <dbmoodb> iinet ---> i think it was semi locked
[15:14] <dbmoodb> got an error when isntalling it
[15:14] <Pici> arg, spelling
[15:15]  * secretlondon thanks pici
[15:15] <secretlondon> we're still getting libc broke my install bugs this afternoon
[15:16] <Pici> secretlondon: now you can just do /topic when people come in and ask
[15:16] <ccooke> How bad's the problem been?
[15:16] <dbmoodb> so Pici, i take it is on the main repo ?
[15:17] <Pici> dbmoodb: I believe so
[15:17] <jjrojo> nobody have problems with nvidia in hardy?
[15:17] <emefarr> UB': going for the re-install.   will try the modprobes you suggested when it's back up and let you know thanks again!
[15:17] <Turski> still old ligc6 in my mirror...
[15:18] <UB`> you are welcome
[15:20] <darx> whats the best font for LCDs?
[15:20] <Pici> Whatever font you like
[15:21] <LeeJunFan> why does compiz suddenly complain about the ati driver which it runs perfectly fine on?
[15:22] <Pici> LeeJunFan: Because it doesnt run perfectly fine on other people's setups
[15:22] <Pici> see the changelog.
[15:23] <leonel> just  reupdated  and  glibc error  gone !
[15:23] <LeeJunFan> Pici: so now I can't run it at all because it doesn't run fine on someone elses system? lame.
[15:24] <dbmoodb> wow it hit my repo... wow that was fast
[15:25] <nealmcb> is there a mailing list for ubuntu+1?  I didn't see any mail on the ubuntu-devel list about the libc problem.
[15:25] <Pici> LeeJunFan: Not just one persons, many people.
[15:25] <Pici> s/persons/person/
[15:26] <LeeJunFan> still shouldn't that be left up to each person? Now I can't run it because other people with ATI couldn't, even though it worked perfectly for me.
[15:26] <dbmoodb> ? you still can
[15:26] <Pici> LeeJunFan: You'll just have to enable the SKIP_CHECKS workaround
[15:26] <secretlondon> nealmcb there was a fairly pointless thread on one of the dev lists
[15:26]  * sn0 attempts upgrade today
[15:27] <sn0> gotta love snapshots :)
[15:27] <dbmoodb> oh lovely it tried to grab +1
[15:27] <nealmcb> secretlondon: yeah - I just responded to that one - glad that someone finally posted a bug reference
[15:27] <LeeJunFan> Pici: thanks, but SKIP_CHECKS would be buried in documentation or source code where? So I know how to use it?
[15:28] <secretlondon> that was actually how I found out about it this morning utc
[15:28] <nealmcb> that was ubuntu-devel-discuss - not the most authoritative list...
[15:28] <secretlondon> yeah
[15:28] <bisho> Can you help me with the libc issue?
[15:28] <Pici> LeeJunFan: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[15:28] <fromport> Hi: more people bitten by update of hardy today ?
[15:29] <Pici> fromport: /topic
[15:29] <bisho> I have booted from CD, mounted the filesystems, chrooted and issued a dpki -i of a working libc6
[15:29] <LeeJunFan> Pici: thanks, I love when stuff like that isn't in manpages.
[15:29] <Pici> LeeJunFan: If you need specific help on setting that, the folks in #compiz-fusion should be able to help
[15:29] <fromport> thanks...
[15:29] <bisho> But now I get run-init: /sbin/init: I/O error on boot
[15:29] <Pici> LeeJunFan: It was in the changelog for the most recent compiz update.
[15:29] <bazhang> fromport already a fix
[15:30] <LeeJunFan> Pici: I found the ati blacklist in the changelog, but knowing about SKIP_CHECKS is another thing that should probably be in the man or README at least.
[15:31] <Pici> LeeJunFan: I agree, perhaps a bug should be logged for it?
[15:31] <LeeJunFan> Pici: yeah, I'll get it.
[15:32] <Turski> libc6 upgraded
[15:33] <Turski> still not in finnish server so i changed repositories to swedish ones
[15:33] <Turski> boot -->
[15:33] <Turski> and nvidia kernel module building
[15:35] <weedar> Hey guys, I'm afflicted by the libc6 bug - is there a workaround that works without reboot and a root-password set ?
[15:35] <Adys> weedar:  /topic
[15:36] <Adys> if you still havent reboot, there are some workarounds in the first pages
[15:36] <weedar> Adys: yeah I read the bug-report on launchpad and didn't find anything there, not in the thread either
[15:36] <weedar> oh, I must have missed it then
[15:36] <muszek> weedar: imho not... you need to be root to do anything.  sudo doesn't work, so you need to su to root...
[15:36] <weedar> my bad :o)
[15:36] <bwlang__> that was an easy fix... not sure what the big hullabaloo is about...  anyway - in the process of fixing my libc - i see that i have libc6-amd64 installed ... but this is a a core duo system (not a core 2 duo) and only supports 32 bit. How could this have been installed?
[15:36] <bwlang__> should i file a bug on this?
[15:36] <bwlang__> or is it supposed to be there?
[15:38] <LuitvD> hi
[15:38] <fromport> my libc6 is fixed,i've got a working machine again ;-)
[15:38] <fromport> thanks
[15:39] <LuitvD> hmm, I guess my launchpad report was useless, judging from the channel topic?
[15:39] <Turski> yeh, works fine
[15:40] <bwlang> so... any reason to have libc6-amd64 on a 32 bit system?
[15:40] <bwlang> sorry if i lost a response before... flaky irc connection
[15:42] <UB`> weedar start from a live cd
[15:42] <weedar> UB`: but my drive is encrypted, will the live CD support it?
[15:42] <e\ectro_> does anyone have a place for the i386 libc6 older version?
[15:43] <UB`> weedar wtf you are very unlucky :)
[15:43] <UB`> weedar learn a lesson: don't encrypt drives if you run alpha software ;)
[15:43] <bisho> e\ectro_, The old version is already: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[15:44] <e\ectro_> thanks
[15:44] <UB`> e\ectro_ the newer fixes the problem
[15:46] <e\ectro_> UB: I am doing it right now, thanks ;)
[15:47] <e\ectro_> UB`: following the instructions on launchpad.net
[15:50] <bisho> I still see "Version 2.7-9ubuntu1" on upgrade, even using the archive.ubuntu.com...
[15:50] <bisho> Any updated mirror you recommend?
[15:51] <bisho> Or that's the good version?
[15:51] <UB`> bisho no the good version is 2.7-9ubuntu2
[15:52] <UB`> and they are on the offical repo
[15:52] <bisho> archive.ubuntu.com is not the official?
[15:52] <UB`> yes
[15:52] <UB`> run the update
[15:52] <bisho> Setting that server on sources I still see the same package...
[15:52] <UB`> di you run the update?
[15:53] <UB`> I just upgrade the packages from that repo
[15:55] <bisho> ok... it was a problem with a broken package... lib6-amd64 was requiring *-ubuntu1 and that's whay it was only appearing that on the update manager
[15:55] <bisho> doing apt-get in command line solved the problem and now I have ubuntu2 version installed.
[16:03] <weedar> If I boot from the (k)ubuntu live-cd it will not support hard-drive encryption?
[16:05] <flipstar> guess yes, if not you can install crypt tools
[16:06] <matthew__> What's the schedule for release of hardy?
[16:06] <flipstar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:06] <flipstar> april,24
[16:08] <secretlondon> colin watson has posted a detailed response to the glibc thing to -devel-announce and -devel
[16:09] <matthew__> where can i request that they put back support for my audio device?  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[16:09] <matthew__> Or at least, give instructions on how to compile this kernel source.. it won't even do a make menuconfig
[16:10] <secretlondon> matthew__ file a bug on linux pointing out the regression
[16:10] <matthew__> secretlondon: where can i file ubuntu bugs?
[16:11] <flipstar> launchpad.net/bugs
[16:11]  * secretlondon thanks flipstar
[16:14] <matthew__> strange how that bug tracking system doesn't seem to mention ubuntu anywhere...
[16:16] <secretlondon> matthew_ I think you've actually been given the wrong link
[16:16] <secretlondon> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[16:16] <Pici> or bugs.ubuntu.com
[16:17] <secretlondon> you can file bugs on launchpad for anything that uses launchpad - its not just for ubuntu bugs
[16:18] <matthew__> i see...
[16:19] <ConstyXIV> just wondering, is there a reason capslock isin't flat-out disabled on the login/lock screens?
[16:20] <matthew__> secretlondon: so, do you think i could grab the kernel+modules from ubuntu 7.04 and use it with 7.10 to get my sound working again?
[16:20] <matthew__> Or--is there a way to actually compile the kernel source so I can add the module back myself?
[16:20] <secretlondon> matthew_ that sounds like it would break stuff badly
[16:21] <matthew__> well.. the kernel source package doesn't make... and there is no /proc/config.gz
[16:22] <Ayabara> should dark themes in firefox work well without a custom userContent.css on Hardy?
[16:22] <matthew__> I guess I should ask about that for 7.10 on the regular channel.. but I just you all make sure these things are done better in hardy.
[16:23] <secretlondon> matthew_ this is on 7.10? please file the bug, but also testing in hardy would be cool
[16:23] <matthew__> I am weighing going to hardy early...  due to my sound card issue..  if i go back to 7.04, i'll have sound but not some other app versions I need.
[16:23] <UB`> matthew__ may be you have the old kernels installed did you try boot with those?
[16:24] <zoli2k> Hi! How can I install the headers of an older kernel (2.6.24-5) ?
[16:25] <matthew__> UB`: I installed from scratch.. no old stuff..  I've never had any linux distribution ever upgrade without breaking the system to the point of unusability.. except for debian.
[16:25] <UB`> ah ok
[16:26] <UB`> matthew__ did you try to debug your sound problem?
[16:26] <matthew__> i did try the upgrade.. but scratch my head--has it ever worked for anyone?
[16:26] <matthew__> UB`: well yes.. the module doesn't seem to be there.
[16:26] <matthew__> pretty simple problem.
[16:26] <UB`> what module?
[16:26] <matthew__> I forget the module name right now, but the one for Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[16:28] <UB`> matthew__ what kernel?
[16:28] <matthew__> Linux matthew-laptop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:30] <UB`> matthew__ try this workaround https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+question/21847
[16:30] <mitch_> Hey
[16:30] <mitch_> Can someone help me getting susspend/ sleep to work on my mbp
[16:32] <gilster32> just logged in a little while ago. whats going today folks? 300+ updates>? have i missed something?
[16:34] <mitch_> 2.22 maybe?
[16:36] <UB`> gilster32 yes you missed a broken libc6 upgrade that crash the entire system ;)
[16:37] <gilster32> UB: omg
[16:37] <mitch_> So i take it i shouldn't update today to test for sleep working?
[16:37] <gilster32> cant blink an eye here.
[16:38] <UB`> :)
[16:39] <matthew__> UB`: I am trying... thanks
[16:40] <UB`> matthew__ you could test it without reboot: sudo /etc/init.d/alsasound stop
[16:40] <UB`> and then: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack
[16:41] <UB`> keep an eye on the master mixer it should be mute (unmute it)
[16:43] <zoli2k> Hi! anyone has the old linux-headers-2.6.24-5-generic ??
[16:43] <matthew__> UB`: there is no /etc/init.d/alsasound .... just an alsa-utils (the only thing with alsa in the name)
[16:44] <UB`> matthew__ feisty?
[16:44] <matthew__> 7.10
[16:44] <UB`> mmm strange
[16:44] <matthew__> my sound worked fine in feisty... (except no mic)
[16:45] <UB`> matthew__ the idea is remove the sound module and re-enable them with the model=3stack option
[16:46] <zoli2k> Anyone got working em28xx?
[16:46] <matthew__> maybe i am missing packages?  as per alsa, i seem to have only alsa-base and alsa-utils
[16:47] <UB`> matthew__ may be alsa-tools
[16:51] <vallhalla81> hi all
[16:52] <sn0> hi
[16:52] <Ayabara> is it just me, or has hardy uninstalled some of my applications all by itself?
[16:53] <UB`> Ayabara what kind of applications?
[16:53] <Lattyware> Hey all, Running Hardy, and it won't boot. I don't get GDM, but and then it just gives me TTY1 killed, restarting or suchlike when I try and login.
[16:53] <PokoLoko> hi there
[16:53] <Lattyware> any fix?
[16:53] <Ayabara> UB`: I could have sworn that truecrypt, amule and opera was installed, but they were nowhere to be found. had to reinstall
[16:54] <PokoLoko> I am trying to install Alpha 6 to my laptop but the installer freezes @ 15%
[16:54] <PokoLoko> i have successfully install it on a desktop pc
[16:54] <PokoLoko>  
[16:55] <amx109> Lattyware, details in topic
[16:55] <PokoLoko> so does anyone knows if there is any bug regarding the files systems?
[16:55] <PokoLoko> So,which should i choose ReiserFS or ext2?
[16:55] <amx109> PokoLoko, which install cd are u using? desktop or alt?
[16:56] <matthew__> UB`: also-tools didn't give it.. i have to do some work now.. but will try rebooting...  maybe installing hardy a bit early.
[16:56] <Lattyware> amx109: Oh, didn't realise that applied to me.
[16:56] <PokoLoko> desktop i386
[16:56] <amx109> what is happening at that 15%?
[16:57] <ccooke> PokoLoko: I generally recommend using ext3 for all general purposes. Resierfs is very nice for some special uses, but it's not as stable or recoverable.
[16:57] <LeeJunFan> no, and the speed you get from reiser you can get from ext3 if you turn off the stuff that makes ext3 safe.
[16:58] <ccooke> LeeJunFan: Not all of it. However, you can't make ext3 as risky as reiser...
[16:58] <secretlondon> there are also issues about whether reiserfs is supported considering that the author is in court in a murder trial
[16:58] <ccooke> secretlondon: no, it's supported and will remain so.
[16:59] <LeeJunFan> ccooke: true. I've had many times where I've ended up with reiser putting fragments of files in other files.
[16:59] <ccooke> LeeJunFan: One serious problem with it is filesystem recovery.
[17:00] <ccooke> A filesystem that says "Don't allow untrusted users if you want to recover your data"... Is not a fit choice for a general purpose.
[17:00] <ccooke> Mail spool, news spool, disposable web server content fs... oh yes. Marked improvements, and if it decided to die you just mkfs the damned thing.
[17:02] <PokoLoko> thx
[17:02] <PokoLoko> i have been trying all the to install Alpha 6 on my laptop w/o luck
[17:02] <PokoLoko> sorry alpha 5
[17:03] <PokoLoko> is there much differemce from Alpha 5 to Alpha 6?
[17:03] <PokoLoko> ¤difference
[17:04] <Ayabara> UB`: I'm almost positive now. I _know_ I had fdupes installed, but now it's gone
[17:05] <PokoLoko> so what would be better ext2 or ext3?
[17:05] <amx109> PokoLoko, ext3
[17:05] <UB`> ext3 is journaled ext2 not
[17:05] <UB`> so ext3 is better
[17:05] <PokoLoko> ok
[17:05] <PokoLoko> so,should i download the Alpha 6 and try it if it works
[17:05] <UB`> Ayabara may be depencies problem did you try to reinstall it?
[17:06] <Ayabara> UB`: yep. they reinstall fine
[17:06] <amx109> PokoLoko, yes
[17:07] <UB`> PokoLoko you could try the alternate cd too
[17:07] <UB`> Ayabara you could fill a bug
[17:07] <PokoLoko> also there are some problems with the kernel,i was using the kernel 2.24.11 and no problems,then i made some update,it updated to kernel 2.24.12 and it destroy everything,i couldn't even boot
[17:08] <Ayabara> UB`: I'll examine my system a bit more to check that I'm not imagining things :-)
[17:08] <UB`> ahah ok :)
[17:10] <tgelter> when will the hardy artwork be coming down the pipes? with beta?
[17:12] <PokoLoko> so when is the beta out?
[17:12] <tgelter> tomorrow I believe
[17:12] <tgelter> I lied, not till the 20th
[17:13] <secretlondon> beta freeze may be tomorrow?
[17:13] <tgelter> beta freeze today (according to wiki)
[17:14] <KrimZon> argh, i think i forgot to set proper permissions on the files i copied manually
[17:17] <PokoLoko> so the same problem again.It keeps freezing on 15% of the install(Detecting file systems)
[17:18] <Ayabara> is it normal and ok that memory used by programs and as cache sum up to 100%?
[17:20] <frank_> Ayabara: yes
[17:26] <tgelter> are there any plans in place to switch to using delta patches for updates in the future? how about torrents for patches as well?
[17:39] <Lattyware> Hmm... The fix in the bug thread does not appear to work for
[17:39] <Lattyware> *for me
[17:39] <Lattyware> and my Herd 4 CD won't boot into graphical mode
[17:39] <cbr> hello.. i updated my kubuntu hardy today and it completely died on me
[17:39] <cbr> it doesnt boot
[17:39] <Lattyware> downloading Herd 6 and hoping I can use that.
[17:39] <cbr> after the update various apps failed and i couldnt login from VT
[17:39] <Lattyware> cbr: Check the topic.
[17:40] <Lattyware> I'm presuming it's that
[17:46] <Clusty> i have just a gutsy live CD. can I copy the old libc over hardy?
[17:48] <Lattyware> Anyone know what I can do, In Ubuntu Gutsy install I had lying around, and the chroot command gives me: chroot: cannot run command `dpkg': Exec format error
[17:53] <mohbana> hey guys i messed up my gusty installation ive got a 8800gts what i did was install the nvidia-glx-new then i installed the 169.09 drivers from their site
[17:55] <secretlondon> mohbana: this channel is for hardy
[17:55] <Seeker`> Which mirrors have the libc fix?
[17:56] <Milos_SD> Seeker`, main server
[17:57] <mohbana> any ideas :(
[17:57] <Seeker`> Milos_SD: thanks
[17:58] <Lattyware> anyone know why i'd get this: chroot: cannot run command `dpkg': Exec format error while trying to fix the libc error.
[17:59] <amx109> Lattyware, you'll want the most recent hardy live cd, not the gutsy ver
[17:59] <Lattyware> right
[17:59] <Lattyware> just means downloading it, since I had a gutsy install
[17:59]  * Lattyware sighs.
[17:59] <amx109> aye
[17:59] <Lattyware> this is what I get for running a development version I guess.
[17:59] <edoceo> I updated my Hardy system yesterday and now vol_id segfaults on boot - I'm toast!
[17:59] <Lattyware> still, such things are rare.
[18:00] <amx109> heh indeed. im guessing gutsy wont work due to differences in kernel/libc et al
[18:00] <olegb> edoceo: look at topic
[18:01] <Lattyware> yeah, I kinda guessed it.
[18:01] <Lattyware> I also just realised this is 32-bit and my hardy install was 64bit, so that won't help either.
[18:03] <edoceo> olegb: yea - thats what I needed - thanks!
[18:04] <amx109> Lattyware, that would be a significant difference, yes
[18:05] <Lattyware> amx109: I was just hoping it'd be easier. Oh well, half way through the download now.
[18:07] <amikrop> I would suggest to place wesnoth 1.4 to the repos, and rename the wesnoth-all package to wesnoth.
[18:12] <amikrop> So? Where could I express my suggestion?
[18:12] <amx109> amikrop, to the packager of wesnoth?
[18:13] <Pici> amikrop: you could file a bug
[18:13] <amikrop> OK. I will. Thanks.
[18:14] <melch> Does anyone have any idea how to get sleep working on a macbook pro?
[18:15] <oxigen> why i cant execute command: chroot /mnt dpkg -i /tmp/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[18:15] <oxigen> ?
[18:16] <oxigen> cannot run command `dpkg': Exec format error
[18:17] <amx109> oxigen,  are u booting from a hardy live cd?
[18:17] <oxigen> no
[18:17] <oxigen> from other hd
[18:17] <amx109> from another hardy install?
[18:17] <oxigen> no other ubuntu 6.10
[18:18] <amx109> ah, that could be why. the kernel/libc ver might be too different for it to work
[18:18] <melch> Anyone have any ideas of sleep on? I have no idea what could be wrong. I think it might be nvidia or the ath_pci(madwifi) modules
[18:18] <amx109> oxigen, d/l the hardy live cd and run the fix from there
[18:18] <oxigen> amx109: ok, thanks
[18:19] <oxigen> amx109: do you think that is alpha 5 ok too?
[18:20] <amx109> oxigen, you mean using the alpha 5 live cd? if so, then i think it should be fine
[18:20] <oxigen> amx109: ok, 10x again :)
[18:21] <melch> Anyone?
[18:21] <amx109> melch, had any luck lookin in the forums for a fix?
[18:21] <TheArthur> can i make 2 packages that both provide: package-foo and then install them both?
[18:24] <secretlondon> no - packages can't install the same file
[18:24] <ccooke> secretlondon: a provide isn't a file
[18:24] <ccooke> TheArthur: Yes, you can
[18:24] <melch> Anyone have any idea on why I can't suspend
[18:24] <ccooke> TheArthur: so long as they don't have any other conflicts or replaces or whatever
[18:24] <TheArthur> ccooke, thanks
[18:24] <TheArthur> :)
[18:25] <ccooke> what do you want to provide?
[18:25] <melch> Are you talking to me?
[18:25] <ccooke> be aware that Debian provides a mechanism for multiple packages providing the same files - the alternatives system.
[18:27] <ccooke> TheArthur: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91
[18:27] <JDahl> is it safe to update libc6 now?
[18:28] <secretlondon> depends, not on my mirror
[18:28] <ccooke> TheArthur: (This will only affect you if you want to provide the same file as another package, and it will only work if the other package also uses the alternatives system. The good part is, pretty much every package that provides something it's normal to use one of a set of *does* use it)
[18:28] <secretlondon> ccooke: thanks :)
[18:30] <melch> ccooke have any ideas on my sleep problem?
[18:31] <savvas> yeah, anti-depressants
[18:31] <ccooke> melch: none, I'm afraid. I've not used a MBP
[18:31] <savvas> :)
[18:33] <tgelter> JDahl: it's ok on the us mirror
[18:34] <secretlondon> it's not on gb
[18:34] <melch> Is there a place I can go to find the common problems for sleep
[18:34] <tgelter> melch: a sleep clinic =)
[18:34] <savvas> ah just get it from packages.ubuntu.com and stop complaining :p
[18:34] <secretlondon> melch: acpi?
[18:35] <savvas> melch: have you tried the uwsusp ?
[18:35] <savvas> uswsusp
[18:35] <melch> savvas what is that?
[18:35] <melch> yes acpi
[18:35] <savvas> a package for hibernation
[18:35] <savvas> apt-cache show uswsusp
[18:36] <savvas> you could try the logs, such as /var/log/syslog /var/log/dmesg
[18:36] <savvas> the dmesg command
[18:36] <mrtimdog> I've just updated and now compiz has stopped working with a message in .xsession-errors "There is no available graphics driver for your system which supports the composite extension.". It was working yeserday. Is this to do with the driver selection of xorg or gnome-appearance-preferences, or something else?
[18:37] <bmk789> is anyone else having trouble with hibernate?
[18:37] <melch> me
[18:37] <secretlondon> a change in the last 24 hours now makes my brightness applet work :)
[18:37] <melch> should i run uswsusp
[18:37] <bmk789> melch: does it just not work or do you get an error on boot?
[18:38] <melch> just doesn't work
[18:38] <savvas> mrtimdog: select it from system -> administration -> screens and graphics
[18:39] <savvas> mrtimdog: you probably didn't get the restricted modules for your kernel
[18:39] <melch> savvas should i run it now that i've installed it
[18:39] <bmk789> does anyone know how hibernate works in ubuntu?
[18:39] <coz_> any idea if gimp-svg will be avaiable for hardy ?
[18:39] <mrtimdog> savvas: I've the restricted mods installed. Just trying to manually select my driver now...
[18:39] <savvas> melch: read their website on how to use it: http://suspend.sourceforge.net/
[18:40] <Rudin_> hi
[18:40] <bmk789> !hibernate
[18:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:40] <Rudin_> the default games have disappeared.  I'm using Ubuntu Hardy Heron.  How can I recover them?
[18:40] <bmk789> !hibernation
[18:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernation - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:41] <Yacci> hi
[18:41] <savvas> mrtimdog: $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[18:41] <savvas> linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic: Installed: 2.6.24-12.22 Candidate: 2.6.24-12.22
[18:41] <savvas> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic: Installed: 2.6.24.11-12.31 Candidate: 2.6.24.11-12.31
[18:41] <Yacci> need help.
[18:41] <Rudin_> how can I have a list of this room users at the right in this Xchat program?
[18:41] <bmk789> melch: can you help me see if were having the same hibernate problem?
[18:41] <Yacci> I need to get the build-Directory in the " 2.6.24.11-generic"-Directory
[18:42] <mrtimdog> savvas: Yep, all match current.
[18:42] <Yacci> can anybody tell me how or where to get it?
[18:42] <savvas> Rudin_: check the preferences/options, something about a nickname list
[18:42] <mrtimdog> savvas: Also just noticed (in .xsession-errors): Found laptop using ati driver. \n aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[18:42] <savvas> mrtimdog: well ok, try and set it manually and log out / log in again, see if it works
[18:43] <savvas> ah dunno about ati :)
[18:43] <savvas> could be a driver failure
[18:45] <Rudin_> savvas: I cannot find the option, I can show a floating window with the nicknames with CTL + U, but I can not make it fixed to the right
[18:47] <emefarr> UB`: Broadcom nic issue under alpha6 - nic was "disabled" after first round of updates.   Issued "sudo ifconfig eth0 up" && "sudo dhclient eth0" and back up and running.  Thanks again for your help!
[18:47] <Yacci> i really need help because on google i can not find anything about it!
[18:48] <bmk789> melch?
[18:50] <mitch_> hey sorry this is melch
[18:50] <mitch_> who was i talking to
[18:50] <bmk789> me
[18:50] <mitch_> hey
[18:50] <bmk789> could you help me see if were having the same problem?
[18:51] <mitch_> sure shoot
[18:51] <bmk789> if its the same, this command should give 0kb for all 3
[18:51] <bmk789> run "cat /proc/meminfo|grep Swap"
[18:51] <clusty> hey
[18:51] <mrtimdog> Anyone else using compiz with the ati driver on a laptop?
[18:51] <clusty> i managed to fix my libc issue but now the X does not work properly anymore:
[18:52] <mitch_> only 0 for the 1st
[18:52] <clusty> my nvidia card does not get recognized anymore
[18:52] <mitch_> then the amount of my swamp for the other 2
[18:52] <clusty> any hints?
[18:52] <mitch_> clusty try envy
[18:52] <clusty> mitch_, its supposed to be a no no as far as ubuntu goes?
[18:52] <clusty> was it not?
[18:52] <bmk789> ok, then its clearing your swap partition instead of using the hibernate data, it refuses to mount my swap at all
[18:52] <clusty> ...or at least some guys scared me off
[18:53] <mitch_> sometime the kernel upgrade fucks with with the mod
[18:53] <mitch_> When that happens i use envysudo s2disk
[18:53] <mitch_> *envy
[18:53] <mitch_> i'm assuming you tried the restricted drivers
[18:53] <mitch_> brb
[18:54] <clusty> well restricted dont get listed anymore
[18:54] <edoceo> mrtimdog: ati+compiz = headache for me
[18:54] <clusty> i mean i have the nvidia-glx-new package
[18:55] <clusty> but nothing in the GUI thingy
[18:55] <mrtimdog> edoceo: Things have been fine until last compiz update. Just trying to work out which package a bug might belong to.
[18:56] <clusty> doing envy now
[18:56] <edoceo> I got hit with the libc6 bug, I tried the update listed at the top of this channel and I still get the segfaults - other ideas?
[18:56] <Yacci> no help, see you
[18:57] <clusty> edoceo, read the forum link
[18:57] <clusty> some dud tells you how to fix using a regular live CD
[18:57] <clusty> ...no matter which kind
[18:58] <h3sp4wn> dpkg --root=/mnt --force-depends -i *.deb
[18:58] <melch> back
[18:58] <h3sp4wn> (have the old or fixed debs in that dir)
[18:59] <clusty> h3sp4wn, wont work
[18:59] <melch> savvas that didn't work
[18:59] <melch> it would suspend but then freeze
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> clusty: That is exactly how I fixed it in 5 mins
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> at dinner time today
[18:59] <clusty> mine choked
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> (using grml)
[18:59] <bmk789> melch: i mightve found the fix for hibernate, let me test it real quick
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> and the root partition on /mnt
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> then reinstalled manually everything in dpkg -C
[19:00] <clusty> launchpad link
[19:00] <h3sp4wn> and all is god
[19:00] <clusty> and follow second part
[19:00] <clusty> (not the ramdisk thing)
[19:00] <WelshDragon> Ah, so it has been fixed :)
[19:00]  * WelshDragon updates
[19:00] <WelshDragon> There any way to tell if its propagated to my mirror yet?
[19:00] <WelshDragon> or should i wait 2 days?
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> apt-cache policy libc6
[19:01] <WelshDragon> thank you
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> the version number you want is in the topic
[19:01] <melch> uswsusp isn't working
[19:01] <secretlondon> still 1 on gb mirror :(
[19:02] <WelshDragon> 2.7-9ubuntu2 ...theres no dash after the 9...that matter?
[19:02] <Turski> err?
[19:02] <secretlondon> I get Candidate: 2.7-9ubuntu1 :(
[19:03] <WelshDragon> Ymgeisydd: 2.7-9ubuntu2
[19:03] <edoceo> h3sp4wn: When you say *.deb there is that only for the libc package or did you have others?
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> edoceo: I used libc6 and libc6-i686
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> It needs to be from a live cd so you have a working dpkg
[19:04] <edoceo> Ohh - I didn't try the i686 one -
[19:04] <edoceo> I'm uing a Alphac6 live cd to try it now - thanks!
[19:05] <edoceo> Does it matter that my CD is Ubuntu and my install is Kubuntu?  libc6 should be the same on both right?
[19:05] <h3sp4wn> That won't be a problem
[19:10] <desrt> hello.
[19:10] <desrt> is anyone else experiencing weird random crashes in many different apps in hardy?
[19:11] <Yacci> What does a program mean when it says "set KERNELPATH" ???
[19:11] <mrtimdog> Anyone know why the ati and radeon drivers has been blacklisted from laptops?
[19:11] <h3sp4wn> What do you mean ?
[19:11] <rsk> mrtimdog: it dosen't woork so good
[19:12] <rsk> with mobility cards
[19:12] <rsk> not _all_ laptops are blacklisted mrtimdog
[19:12] <mrtimdog> I'm using a Radeon Mobility 7500 and it's been working ok?
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> Compiz can work find on my mobility
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> *fine
[19:12] <rsk> file a bug then
[19:13] <h3sp4wn> But I have to use 16 bit color and some hacks somewhere broke xv in that colordepth
[19:13] <h3sp4wn> (clean Debian driver is alright but I am not bothered for compiz anyway)
[19:13] <Pici> h3sp4wn: Thats not really working then, is it?
[19:13] <Pici> h3sp4wn: er, wrong person, sorry.
[19:14] <h3sp4wn> (that xv thing is without compiz also)
[19:14] <Pici> mrtimdog: If its working fine, file a bug for your card to be whitelisted, include the card's pci id
[19:14] <Pici> h3sp4wn: I forgot who was saying what :x
[19:14] <mrtimdog> Pici: Just reading another similar bug.
[19:14] <mrtimdog> !201330
[19:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 201330 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:14] <mitch_> not working
[19:14] <mitch_> i am powned
[19:15] <mitch_> Anyone have any idea how to get sleep working
[19:15] <secretlondon> bug #201330
[19:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201330 in compiz "Need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201330
[19:15] <mrtimdog> secretlondon: doh! thanks.
[19:16] <Yacci> What does a program mean when it says "set KERNELPATH" ?
[19:18] <edoceo> So now that I've updated my libc6 files (libc6, libc6-i686,libc6-dev) how can I test before I reboot? Chroot into my system and run ls?
[19:21] <edoceo> yes - chroot was OK, able to run various commands, apt-get update, etc.  Policy shows 2.7.9 - 2 on US mirrors -
[19:21] <edoceo> I'm back baby!
[19:21] <clusty> X works now just fine with envy
[19:22] <clusty> my fav gnome widget crashes - hardware sensors
[19:22] <clusty> worth doing a bug report?
[19:22] <Pici> clusty: always
[19:22] <secretlondon> yes pls
[19:23] <secretlondon> new libc6 finally arrived on my mirror :)
[19:24] <flipstar> i still have Version: 2.7-5ubuntu2.. installed and availible..
[19:24] <flipstar> using kde
[19:25] <tamarind> flipstar: hows good is kubuntu kde4?
[19:25] <amon__> hi
[19:26] <flipstar> im still using kde3 with some kde4 apps :) kde4 desktop isnt really good for me
[19:26] <h3sp4wn> edoceo: Some wierdness happened only in my initramfs so after its done then update-initramfs -k all -u would probably be a good idea
[19:26] <amon__> i have a problem with audio in hardy
[19:27] <edoceo> h3sp4wn: Yea - I had to do that too
[19:28] <tamarind> flipstar: opensuse's livecd seduced me into installing kde4 under ubuntu. it sucked :-(
[19:28] <edoceo> I'm also loving my KDE4
[19:28] <ConstyXIV> i'm wondering, what does policykit do, and why should i care?
[19:28] <h3sp4wn> edoceo: Is the fonts issue fixed ?
[19:29] <h3sp4wn> last time I tried it the fonts were stupidly big
[19:29] <flipstar> tamarind: same on fedora9..works great there ..
[19:29] <edoceo> I'm not aware of any fonts issue - mine seem fine to me
[19:30] <edoceo> I also have a hacked-to-hell configuration for X and KDE so maybe I'm not loading some fonts you have
[19:30] <tamarind> flipstar: Hated fedora since core 4. Never looked since.
[19:30] <flipstar> i just tried the new alpha
[19:30] <flipstar> as live cd
[19:30] <amon__> about my sound problem, can anybody help me?
[19:30] <edoceo> amon_: what sound device do you have (lcpci)
[19:30] <tamarind> amon__: just ask
[19:31] <edoceo> *lspci
[19:31] <h3sp4wn> I will probably try it again soon
[19:31] <clusty> this looks acceptable to you guys?
[19:31] <clusty> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hardware-monitor/+bug/201923
[19:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201923 in hardware-monitor "hardware sensors monitor applet crashing" [Undecided,New]
[19:32] <amon__> sound works, but not in xmms for example, and when i try and play mp3s through totem it skips
[19:32] <clusty> amon__, i heard some other guy was complaining about crackling sound in hardy
[19:32] <secretlondon> amon__ presumably you have the plugins to play mp3s?
[19:33] <amon__> i have them
[19:33] <amon__> it plays mp3s, but when i change windows it makes ugly noises
[19:33] <clusty> amon__, tried both alsa and oss?
[19:33] <tamarind> amon__: you could try starting xmms from the command line and see what it outputs.
[19:34] <amon__> my main problem is not xmms, it is that audio skips in all other applications whenever i change windows
[19:35] <tamarind> amon__: is your windows drawing without artifacts and stutters?
[19:35] <tamarind> *are your
[19:36] <amon__> when i activate compiz it's allright
[19:36] <tamarind> maybe X is tying down the CPU for some reason
[19:36] <tamarind> are you on ati?
[19:36] <amon__> yes
[19:37] <tamarind> fglrx?
[19:37] <amon__> no radeon
[19:37] <tamarind> you could try fglrx and see if it helps.
[19:37] <tamarind> some cards don't work well with radeon
[19:38] <amon__> no, fglrx does not work with my card at all
[19:38] <amon__> it is a mobility radeon 9100igp
[19:39] <tamarind> there is your problem me thinks
[19:39] <amon__> where, tamarind?
[19:40] <tamarind> the 9100igp.
[19:40] <clusty> cool stuff: new nvidia driver supports throttling down even for my crappy 7600
[19:41] <wxPython> hello
[19:41] <secretlondon> clusty 'crappy'? I have a geforce 4mx here..
[19:41] <wxPython> i have a question regarding hardy heron
[19:41] <clusty> secretlondon, well its crappy since I usually get 8800 GTX's at work :D
[19:41] <flipstar> the 169.12 ?
[19:41] <amon__> tamarind: but it never was aproblem before
[19:42] <frank_> clusty: yeah... I upgraded 'to' a 7600gt recently. Don't crush my illusions!
[19:42] <tamarind> amon__: I'm not sure but could be because of the newer drivers.
[19:42] <wxPython> when is the deadline of the .deb packages for hardy heron?
[19:42] <clusty> well i dont need mosters on my laptop
[19:43] <clusty> thats why i got this one
[19:43] <bmk789> how do i create an encrypted partition?
[19:43] <secretlondon> wxPython: we are on feature freeze
[19:43] <edoceo> bmk789: have you looked at encfs?  Its' not encrypted partition but gets the job done - need fuse
[19:43] <flipstar> bmk789: cryptsetup -c aes-lrw-benbi -y -s 384 luksFormat /dev/partition
[19:44] <amon__> so what should i do now
[19:44] <clusty> wxPython, check out:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:44] <wxPython> clusty i already did
[19:44] <ConstyXIV> if firefox 3 doesn't make landfall until post-hardy, will the beta be frozen in, or will it be updated?
[19:44] <bmk789> edoceo: im currently using the encryption from the alt. cd installer but i need to recreate my swap partition encrypted
[19:44] <bmk789> flipstar: ty
[19:44] <tamarind> amon__: i'm not sure but i think the fglrx drivers in hardy run compiz over AIGLX
[19:45] <tamarind> you might want to try xgl
[19:45] <wxPython> who makes the .deb packages of the gnome-panel package?
[19:45] <amon__> fglrx does not support my card at all and  btw what happened to xorg.conf
[19:46] <frank_> ConstyXIV: firefox is typically upgraded within a release instead of backporting security patches.
[19:46] <edoceo> bmk789: oh, encfs won't do that - cryptsetup is they way
[19:46] <flipstar> bmk789: for swap you usally do something else..
[19:46] <tamarind> amon__: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MzU4 says otherwise
[19:46] <clusty> is there are good enough reason to use encrypted FS'?
[19:46] <secretlondon> wxPython: one of the core devs, it'll be on launchpad
[19:47] <flipstar> clusty: laptop for i.e.
[19:47] <clusty> flipstar, why is that?
[19:48] <bmk789> flipstar: what do i mkswap on after i reboot?
[19:48] <flipstar> clusty: is there a reason for not encrypt fs ?
[19:48] <amon__> tamarind: but only 2d support
[19:48] <mrtimdog> Wahay! Got compiz back on my ati laptop with a little tweak to the /usr/bin/compiz script :)
[19:48] <flipstar> bmk789: you can encrypt swap in the fly
[19:48] <clusty> flipstar, it just seemed something very complicated to do :D
[19:48] <clusty> remounting through loopback and so forth
[19:49] <flipstar> clusty: no...its already pretty easy..
[19:49] <flipstar> just the passwd thing..
[19:49] <l815> oh it's safe to update libc6 :D
[19:49] <l815> *:D
[19:49] <clusty> flipstar, guess is should read some page from this age
[19:49] <clusty> :D
[19:49] <flipstar> clusty: you can make a alias for that :)
[19:50] <clusty> flipstar, how is it on performance?>
[19:50] <tamarind> amon__: use top to see if something is eating up the cpu. you could also try sysprof
[19:51] <tamarind> at least you'll know what to blame :-)
[19:51] <flipstar> clusty: okay..performance is an issue..e.g 36.4MB/s non encrypted 15MB/s encrypted on my system (kind of antique)
[19:52] <clusty> flipstar, not worth it if you ask me. laptop drives are sucky anyways
[19:53] <clusty> and I don't carry any secret codes to nuclear bombs
[19:53] <flipstar> :)
[19:53] <flipstar> some does
[19:53] <clusty> will be happy if some1 were to read my stinking thesis
[19:53] <clusty> :D
[19:53] <edoceo> any one see unknown stanza in /etc/event.d/tty? line 16?
[19:54] <bmk789> thanks flipstar, swap is working again
[19:55] <bmk789> edoceo: everything looks normal here
[19:55] <bmk789> edoceo: line 16 is "exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1"
[19:55] <flipstar> jep
[19:57] <edoceo> Really? Not mine it says: /sbin/getty 38400 tty1exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[19:57] <mooboo1> brainstorm says "done" and launchpad says "fix released", yet i cant find firefox 3 beta 4 in repo, why?
[19:57] <edoceo> Hmm, so I guess I can just manual fix those
[19:57] <wxPython> mooboo1 are you on ubuntu?
[19:58] <mooboo1> wxPython, HARDY HERON
[19:58] <mooboo1> :D
[19:58] <wxPython> :D
[19:58] <wxPython> great
[19:58] <mooboo1> yeah, but i dont find beta4 :(
[19:59] <wxPython> i have the answer for you
[19:59] <wxPython> the .deb package was not yet made
[19:59] <mooboo1> oh
[19:59] <wxPython> that's the probable cause
[19:59] <flipstar> i got it from http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0b4/linux-i686/ :P
[19:59] <mooboo1> but it said "Fix released" on launchpad, they tricked me! :(
[19:59] <mooboo1> and it said "Done" on brainstorm, they tricked me! :(
[19:59] <wxPython> mooboo1 they did fix it, but it's not in the Ubuntu repos . yet! ;)
[19:59] <flipstar> maybe it will uploaded soon ..
[20:00] <secretlondon> there is always lag
[20:00] <mooboo1> secretlondon, i am using the official main repo
[20:00] <mooboo1> so i dont have to wait for mirrors to catch up
[20:00] <wxPython> mooboo1 please wait a while
[20:00] <mooboo1> ps. mirrors should catch up faster
[20:00] <mooboo1> im impatient boy
[20:00] <mooboo1> i want new toy
[20:00] <wxPython> those mirrors are a heck sometimes yes ;)
[20:01] <mooboo1> they should add like what is 1+1 to brainstorm to prevent morons from posting lol
[20:02] <mooboo1> "hey i have idea, plz put AOL Browser and BonziBuddy in Ubuntu"
[20:02] <wxPython> i have a question
[20:02] <mooboo1> shoot
[20:02] <wxPython> i have applied a patch to the gnome-panel source... how can i make a .deb package from that now?
[20:02] <dencrypt> boom
[20:03] <wxPython> a have altered the gnome-panel/button-widget.c file
[20:03] <secretlondon> wxPython which bug does it fix?
[20:03] <wxPython> please visit this link and see
[20:04] <mooboo1> wxPython, you would usually make a patch, then send it upstreams
[20:04] <wxPython> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308632
[20:04] <ubotu> Gnome bug 308632 in Panel "Last launcher/applets get highlighted/focused when opening the menu" [Minor,Assigned]
[20:05] <wxPython> this workaround was not made by me but i altered the source and added the "focus-on-click", FALSE,  line
[20:05] <wxPython> i wanna make a .deb package of that
[20:05] <wxPython> how? :)
[20:05] <mooboo1> idk
[20:05] <wxPython> this patch was not yet applied to the gnome panel
[20:06] <wxPython> it hopefully will be
[20:06] <wxPython> by vincent that is ;)
[20:06] <flipstar> checkinstall ?
[20:08] <wxPython> oh, and i'm on stupid Windows atm
[20:08] <wxPython> can't boot to linux, so...
[20:08] <wxPython> can't do that
[20:08] <secretlondon> wxPython: you can make a ppa deb following the packaging guide
[20:08] <wxPython> please provide a link ;)
[20:08] <flipstar> !packaging
[20:08] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[20:09] <wxPython> thanks
[20:09] <edoceo> Any experience with Xorg and kernel framebuffer?  I currently use NVIDIA but have some issues with Hardy
[20:10] <flipstar> what kind of issues? no tty availible ?
[20:11] <clusty> edoceo, nvidia-glx-new?
[20:11] <edoceo> Well, on this machine now when I upgraded to KDE4 my nvidia with twinview stopped working and now I can't run KDE
[20:11] <clusty> X starts?
[20:11] <edoceo> negative
[20:11] <clusty> is it in crappy 800x600?
[20:12] <clusty> don't you even get the bulletproof X menu thing?
[20:12] <clusty> to ask to config cards
[20:12] <edoceo> nope complains that my nvidia driver is not found
[20:12] <flipstar> try reinstall nvidia then
[20:12] <clusty> edoceo, try with envy
[20:13] <clusty> i had same issue
[20:13] <flipstar> !envy
[20:13] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[20:13] <edoceo> then I was reading and saw kernel fb with xorg?
[20:13] <clusty> and fixed it 2h ago
[20:13] <Dekans> hello ll
[20:13] <l815> what's a good youtube video maker that i can also add music to which is available in the add/remove?
[20:13] <Dekans> all
[20:14] <edoceo> cinelerra!
[20:14] <edoceo> should I use nvida-glx-new or nvidia-glx-new-dev?
[20:14] <l815> thanks
[20:14] <clusty> first i suppose
[20:15] <motoplux> hi guys
[20:15] <edoceo> actually - have that already
[20:15] <motoplux> doed anyone have trouble with firefox after last upgrade?
[20:15] <motoplux> it cannot start it says : Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b3 and 1.9b3.
[20:16] <edoceo> Hmm - just rand the dpkg-reconfigure for xorg and now it complains: unable to find a validframebuffer device?
[20:16] <mooboo1> edoceo, never heard of nvidia-glx-new-dev
[20:16] <mooboo1> edoceo, if you want stability, you should use nvidia-glx-new
[20:16] <pwnguin> whats the description for -dev?
[20:16] <clusty> edoceo, some weird stuff is happenenig
[20:16] <clusty> whats your card?
[20:16] <wxPython> please tell me something
[20:16] <pwnguin> !info nvidia-glx-new-dev
[20:16] <edoceo> geForce 7600 GS
[20:16] <l815> anyone know if they fixed the system slowdown with video + effects enabled with gm965 cards?
[20:16] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new-dev (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (2.6.24.11-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver development files. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+2.6.24.11-12.31 (hardy), package size 150 kB, installed size 776 kB
[20:17] <dmb> is hardy going to be using 2.6.25?
[20:17] <pwnguin> edoceo: i dont think you need -dev. im not even sure who does.
[20:17] <mooboo1> dmb, i hope so :D
[20:17] <clusty> edoceo, i suggest you try the envy
[20:18] <edoceo> I'm not using dev, thats for C coders - I only build web apps
[20:18] <dmb> mooboo1: lots of good stuff in it :D
[20:18] <pwnguin> there's almost no way hardy will use 2.6.25, imho
[20:18] <dmb> pwnguin: why?
[20:18] <mooboo1> dmb, oh.. i thought only boring stuff like kgdb
[20:18] <pwnguin> that would give a month for testing
[20:18] <pwnguin> and it takes a LOOOONG time to test a kernel
[20:18] <dmb> oh
[20:18] <pwnguin> and fix it
[20:18] <Dekans> IS it too late to propose a new package for ubuntu ??
[20:18] <clusty> Dekans, :D
[20:18] <pwnguin> assuming .25 is released today
[20:18] <dmb> Dekans: for hardy probably
[20:18] <mooboo1> Dekans, yes, its feature-freeze
[20:18] <wxPython> when is the deadline of the .deb packages for hardy heron?
[20:19] <mooboo1> when will .25 be released?
[20:19] <dmb> don't know
[20:19] <pwnguin> well, .25 is on rc5
[20:19] <Dekans> I should think about it earlier :(
[20:20] <Dekans> I would have proposed Grails
[20:20] <pwnguin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[20:20] <pwnguin> the kernel freeze is on april 10th
[20:20] <wxPython> pwnguin so they have already frozen the .deb packages for hard<y?
[20:20]  * DanaG wants the HPMDPS driver.
[20:21] <secretlondon> except important bug fixes
[20:21] <DanaG> HP MDPS - Mobile Data Protection System.  Same idea as the Thinkpads' HDAPS.
[20:21] <pwnguin> beta freeze
[20:21] <pwnguin> new .debs must be approved manunally as of.. today
[20:21] <mooboo1> DanaG, uhm HPMDPS what?
[20:22] <wxPython> pwnguin if (for example) the gnome-panel update is awailable... is it going to be present in the final version or after the update process?
[20:22] <pwnguin> wxPython: depends on what the update is
[20:22] <DanaG> It's an accelerometer / position sensor.
[20:22] <wxPython> just a small fix
[20:23] <pwnguin> wxPython: how big is the diff?
[20:23] <wxPython> one line of code
[20:23] <mooboo1> DanaG, oh like Mac Book when you drop it
[20:23] <DanaG> Yup.
[20:23] <wxPython> +1 line of code
[20:23] <mooboo1> DanaG, yeah, that would be cool, we need a driver like that... thought there already was one
[20:23] <pwnguin> wxPython: it's got a chance if you file the bug, attach the patch and subscribe the right exception team
[20:24] <wxPython> can we do it together?
[20:24] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/search?q=hp+mdps
[20:24] <wxPython> pwnguin i am new at this you know
[20:24] <wxPython> pwnguin this bug is nearly 3 years old
[20:24] <lamalex> lol
[20:24] <pwnguin> wxPython: is it already reported?
[20:24] <wxPython> it has numerous reports
[20:24] <tgelter> DanaG: yeah, HDAPS would be nice...if only we could get the kernel built to support it...
[20:25] <wxPython> let me give you the link
[20:25] <pwnguin> please do
[20:25] <wxPython> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308632
[20:25] <ubotu> Gnome bug 308632 in Panel "Last launcher/applets get highlighted/focused when opening the menu" [Minor,Assigned]
[20:25] <pwnguin> heh
[20:25] <wxPython> please look at the diff file
[20:25] <wxPython> it only adds one line of code
[20:26] <wxPython> are you willing to subscribe the right exception team?
[20:26] <wxPython> but please note...
[20:27] <wxPython> this patch was not yet applied to the whole GNOME project
[20:27] <wxPython> it's still pending
[20:27] <wxPython> i have contacted Vincent Untz about this
[20:28] <wxPython> the GNOME panel guy ;)
[20:28] <edoceo> Envy aint working - all kinds of issues - needs to be installed, can't find hostname, etc
[20:28] <niekie> Hey.
[20:28] <secretlondon> this is the ubuntu bug? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361
[20:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[20:28] <niekie> What version of libc is save to upgrade to? I see different versions for libc6 and libc6-dev
[20:28] <wxPython> secretlondon exactly right
[20:28] <lamalex> niekie: /topic
[20:28] <secretlondon> add your patch to that
[20:29] <niekie> libc6-dev is -ubuntu2
[20:29] <savvas> 2.7-9-ubuntu2
[20:29] <niekie> libc6 is -ubuntu1
[20:29] <niekie> In the upgrade screen
[20:29]  * pwnguin wishes LP would monitor upstream bugs for patches
[20:29] <wxPython> secretlondon i am on stupid Windows ATM so i can't make a diff file...
[20:29] <niekie> I guess I shouldn't be upgrading yet then?
[20:29] <savvas> niekie: apt-cache policy libc6 | grep Candidate
[20:30] <lamalex> wxPython: there is deffinitely a diff program for windows
[20:30] <niekie> savvas: Dutch Ubuntu here.
[20:30] <niekie> But I get what you mean.
[20:30] <niekie>   Kandidaat: 2.7-9ubuntu2
[20:30] <savvas> it's good to go
[20:30] <niekie> savvas: the Ubuntu upgrade thing says -ubuntu1 though.
[20:30] <savvas> niekie: use check in the update-manager
[20:30] <niekie> As where it will upgrade to.
[20:30] <niekie> savvas: still the same after that.
[20:30] <wxPython> please make a diff file for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361 bug and post it
[20:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[20:31] <niekie> savvas: I'll try an apt-get update
[20:31] <savvas> niekie: then use synaptic, or http://packages.ubuntu.com :)
[20:31] <wxPython> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=107229&action=diff
[20:31] <pwnguin> there already is a diff
[20:31] <wxPython> yup
[20:31] <niekie> savvas: ah, after apt-get update
[20:31] <niekie> it works.
[20:31] <wxPython> i provided the link
[20:31] <savvas> great
[20:32] <niekie> Any other issues with upgrading at the moment other than that?
[20:32] <pwnguin> just need to attach that to the LP bug, because it's not smart enough to see it
[20:32] <pwnguin> plus, someone should probably review that it works as intended
[20:32] <lamalex> wxPython: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/diffutils.htm
[20:32] <pwnguin> maybe the submitter
[20:32] <pwnguin> im sure corey can handle it ;)
[20:32] <savvas> niekie: maybe the new kernel, some complain about usb problems, but I haven't noticed anything
[20:33] <savvas> $ apt-cache policy linux-generic
[20:33] <savvas> linux-generic: Installed: 2.6.24.12.13 Candidate: 2.6.24.12.13
[20:33] <wxPython> so please go here and make a diff file and then post it on launchpad for that odd selection/menu bug    DIFF: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=107229&action=diff        LAUNCHPAD BUG: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/18361
[20:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 18361 in gnome-panel "Odd selection launchers/menu" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[20:33] <niekie> savvas: you != Seveas, right?
[20:33] <savvas> niekie: nope :)
[20:33] <niekie> savvas: so.. you == Seveas?
[20:33] <tgelter> when issuing a "aptitude safe-upgrade" is anyone else experiencing a ton of extra line feeds in the output?
[20:34] <niekie> Or you're confirming that you aren't? :P
[20:34] <edoceo> now my nvidia complains that kernel module and nvidia driver components have same version?  The current driver has 169.12
[20:34] <savvas> niekie: i hate sophisms :P
[20:34] <niekie> Heh.
[20:34] <clusty> edoceo, did envy?
[20:35] <wxPython> oh... i can as well copy this      http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=107229&action=diff&context=patch&collapsed=&headers=1&format=raw      and save it with the .diff extension right?
[20:35] <mooboo1> why people use envy? hardy heron takes care of it all with restricted device manager
[20:35] <clusty> mooboo1, nbot for me
[20:35] <savvas> it's like telling me: "my dog's name is socrates. socrates was a philosopher. thus, my dog was a philosopher" :P
[20:35] <mooboo1> clusty, oh strange
[20:35] <clusty> after screwing around for 1h i gave up
[20:35] <clusty> today
[20:35] <savvas> mooboo1: updated drivers probably
[20:35] <wxPython> am i on the right track?
[20:35] <clusty> then again serves me right for usiong prebeta linux
[20:35] <clusty> :D
[20:35] <wxPython> please advise
[20:36] <mooboo1> clusty, i have geforce 8600, when i install hardy, it ask "you need restrcited driver to take full advantage, you want enabled, yes plz?"
[20:36] <pwnguin> wxPython: that's fine
[20:36] <mooboo1> i have 169.12 too
[20:36] <RAOF> savvas: Except that the drivers that envy downloads (at the moment) are exactly the same as nvidia-glx-new :)
[20:36] <clusty> mooboo1, likewise
[20:36] <savvas> wxPython: you'd get more support in #ubuntu-bugs if you ask me
[20:36] <wxPython> ok great
[20:36] <wxPython> oh
[20:36] <wxPython> okay
[20:36] <wxPython> ;)
[20:36] <clusty> just that i upgraded to hardy
[20:36] <mooboo1> i upgraded in alpha 4 i think
[20:36] <savvas> RAOF: because we're alpha/development, after april, people will tend to use updated drivers to fix their bugs :P
[20:36] <clusty> and after the libc thing i could not get X with nvidia driver up
[20:37] <savvas> RAOF: is there a bug about this matter? to keep managed/updated drivers during a release cycle?
[20:37] <mooboo1> clusty, yeah my computer broke in libc, but i fixed it
[20:37] <edoceo> clutsy: envy is a no fly
[20:38] <RAOF> savvas: No, because of the release policy.
[20:38] <pwnguin> savvas: afaik, there's a continual "we should think about this" but not much happens
[20:38] <clusty> edoceo, why might that be?
[20:38] <savvas> i know but.. :\ something should be done to easen up a bit the policy
[20:38] <savvas> drivers are important for desktops
[20:38] <pwnguin> savvas: the policy's in place to avert disasters for those for whom nvidia does work
[20:38] <RAOF> This is true, but regressions happen.
[20:39] <edoceo> should I try linux-restricted-modules-???
[20:39] <savvas> edoceo: what's the problem?
[20:39] <pwnguin> savvas: i think most people are hoping nouveau will be capable of replacing nv / nvidia for basic functionality
[20:39] <RAOF> savvas: Basically, once Hardy is released it becomes much, much more important that things which previously worked *continue* to work than making things that don't work work :)
[20:39] <edoceo> clutsy: machine is in recovery mode, no network, no nothing.  have to move envy dependencies over by hand using usb disk
[20:40] <edoceo> which is sux
[20:40] <edoceo> I'm looking for an easier way
[20:40] <clusty> true
[20:40] <savvas> RAOF: understood, but what about the not-lts releases?
[20:40] <RAOF> savvas: Exactly the same.
[20:40] <savvas> bummer
[20:40] <clusty> edoceo, why no network?
[20:40] <savvas> there should be a poll about this :P
[20:40] <pwnguin> RAOF: what about putting nvidia-glx in -proposed for a month?
[20:40] <savvas> run it for 6 months and get results :)
[20:40] <RAOF> savvas: Once a version is _released_, we've basically made a contract "If it works now, it will work in the future".
[20:41] <RAOF> pwnguin: Maybe.  But how many people run -proposed?  You'd want really extensive testing!
[20:41] <pwnguin> RAOF: indeed =(
[20:41] <savvas> RAOF: yeah, but what happens with the flashplugin-nonfree that constantly breaks after md5sum mismatch?
[20:42] <edoceo> clutsy: cause machine only has WiFi connection and it don't run in recovery, and I'm not savvy with wpa_supplicaant in terminal
[20:42] <pwnguin> the severity of flashplugin isnt quite the same as an x video module
[20:42] <ConstyXIV> i'm assuming the "bird" is now the standard hardy wallpaper?
[20:42] <RAOF> savvas: Well, that we put into foo-updates.  Because it's "flash worked, but now doesn't" :)
[20:42] <savvas> ConstyXIV: heron :P and probably yes
[20:42] <savvas> hehe, i like the name, foo :)
[20:43] <savvas> RAOF: ok how about deb packages of new drivers in backports?
[20:43] <savvas> unmaintained versions that can easily be caught in packages.ubuntu.com
[20:43] <savvas> and everyone's happy :P
[20:44] <RAOF> savvas: That would _possibly_ fly, yes.
[20:44] <mohbana> !clone
[20:44] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[20:44] <savvas> pwnguin: where did you say they said maybe? a bug report?
[20:44] <pwnguin> i see it on UDS schedules from time to time
[20:44] <pwnguin> i think even shuttleworth said he'd revisit the subject
[20:45] <pwnguin> it would be far easier if nvidia was open source
[20:45] <pwnguin> to just backport the listing of supported pci ids
[20:45] <pwnguin> etc
[20:45] <l815> how do i turn off the activation of the keyboard language thing ?
[20:45] <savvas> yeah i discussed that with some friends in #ubuntu-rs :)
[20:45] <l815> i always hit shift+space and it's annoying when it always popsu p
[20:46] <pwnguin> but ultimately i think its a failure of testing; however you do it, you need testing or you get irate users
[20:46] <pwnguin> and nvidia-glx supports a lot of hardware in a lot of varied configurations
[20:47] <savvas> l815: system - preferences - keybaord - layout - layout options ?
[20:48] <savvas> pwnguin: maybe they're embarassed of their way of programming drivers :P
[20:48] <pwnguin> unless you intend to make a hardy-nvidia-makes-you-qq repo somewhere out in multiverse
[20:48] <l815> savvas, thanks but i didnt see anything there to disable it.
[20:48] <edoceo> so - what's a generic xorg driver if I can't get nvidia to work?  what should I fall back to?
[20:48] <pwnguin> edoceo: nv?
[20:48] <savvas> or have hidden sexy stuff that make better use of a graphics card heheh
[20:48] <edoceo> nv fails too
[20:48] <flipstar>  vesa maybe
[20:48] <pwnguin> vesa
[20:48] <pwnguin> if that fails, you fail
[20:48] <savvas> l815: none of the shortcuts match yours?
[20:49] <l815> savvas, none of them are checked lol i'm talking abut that keyboard thing in the taskbar
[20:49] <oliver_g1> hello
[20:49] <l815> SCIM
[20:49] <edoceo> vesa - works but looks like hell - thanks!
[20:50] <pwnguin> savvas: unlikely. they're probably worried that a) they don't have the rights to the source b) the source is full of holes, both security and image quality, and c) patents they dont own
[20:50] <l815> actually if i cna figure out how to type korean with it i wont mind leaving it on
[20:50] <savvas> l815: the one that shows which keyboard layout you use?
[20:50] <clusty> well i had to run the upgrade
[20:50] <clusty> :D
[20:50] <savvas> l815: ah, dunno then
[20:50] <clusty> now no more ffox3
[20:51] <clusty> any way to downgrade xul?
[20:51] <clusty> xulrunner
[20:51] <l815> savvas, yeah the smart common input method. thanks anyway. It's not a big deal. If i can find out how to type korean with it i'll want it enabled anyhow lol
[20:51] <savvas> pwnguin: the joys of closed source heheh
[20:52] <mooboo1> anyone have pink shadows bug?
[20:52] <mooboo1> when will this get fixed?
[20:53] <l815> wow if i set my font to use slight hinting it looks like mac fonts lol
[20:54] <l815> :D
[20:54] <edoceo> when I say dpkg -l I see lots of 'rc' entries - how can I remove those?
[20:55]  * pwnguin uses synaptic
[20:56] <pwnguin> edoceo: how about "dpkg -l | grep -E ^rc"
[20:56] <edoceo> pwnguin: well, yea but I want dpkg to forget all those rc items - is there a cleanup option?
[20:57] <edoceo> This machine started as a Kubuntu edgy and upgraded throguh now to hardy
[20:57] <edoceo> then lots of added/removed packages and my list is confusing me
[20:58] <pwnguin> apt-get remove --purge foo
[20:58] <Oli``> The glibc bug has been fixed, right? I noticed it wasn't able to download the updates earlier and saw the topic then but I just did an update and they all installed - so I'm a little worried now...
[20:58]  * Oli`` slaps Oli`` after reading the new topic
[20:59] <pwnguin> edoceo: i just use synaptic to select em all and mark for complete removal. donno if there's a option to dkpg to do quite that
[20:59] <Oli``> nevermind...
[20:59] <flipstar> guess the libc6 thing is gnome related ?
[21:00] <pwnguin> ...no
[21:00] <wxPython> pwnguin got a question for ya
[21:00] <Oli``> no it's very much at a lower level, flipstar
[21:00] <RAOF> flipstar: It's "program written in C, or depending on a program written in C" related :)
[21:00] <wxPython> if in Launchpad says that a bug is Triaged... what does that mean?
[21:00] <flipstar> hm i have Version: 2.7-5ubuntu2 installed and availible...
[21:00] <RAOF> flipstar: IE: *everything* that isn't the kernel :)
[21:01] <pwnguin> wxPython: it means someone's looked at it and decided it's impoartance and given cursory aid
[21:01] <Oli``> flipstar: 2.7-9ubuntu1 is the bugged version
[21:01] <flipstar> i dont even have that availible :)
[21:01] <pwnguin> wxPython: in a hospital for example, triage decides who's important enough to get a doctor immediately
[21:02] <pwnguin> not a good word for people who aren't native speakers... of french
[21:03] <pwnguin> wxPython: whoever marked it triaged basically thinks what it needs now is a developer's attention
[21:03] <wxPython> pwnguin i am not a native so i didn't quite understand the meaning
[21:04] <wxPython> thanks for the enlightenment ;)
[21:04] <pwnguin> wxPython: i doubt many native english speakers know it either
[21:04] <wxPython> so that basically means that this bug report should be.... what? :)
[21:05] <wxPython> there was no file attached
[21:05] <wxPython> just a comment
[21:06] <wxPython> but the devs will probably look at the code and alter it appropriately, right?
[21:06] <wxPython> the gnome panel devs that is
[21:06] <pwnguin> i doubt gnome devs will look to hard at launchpad
[21:07] <wxPython> i know
[21:08] <ConstyXIV> why does it seem like the latest python update is taking forever?
[21:08] <wxPython> i have point Vincent Untz (the GNOME dev) to look at the patch of that bug on the launchpad comments
[21:08] <wxPython> hopefully he'll look at the comment and look at the code and alter it
[21:09] <ConstyXIV> never mind, there it goes
[21:09] <wxPython> which update?
[21:09] <wxPython> the 2.6 version?
[21:09] <wxPython> the new alpha of Py3k?
[21:09] <wxPython> what what? :)
[21:10] <flipstar> anyone already tried to get vmplayer running on 2.6.24-12 ?
[21:10] <pwnguin> what's the command to explain why a package will be removed?
[21:11] <flipstar> always depencies
[21:11] <flipstar> is there an alternative for vmplayer ? to run vmx files ?
[21:12] <savvas> Bug #201948
[21:12] <savvas> :)
[21:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201948 in ubuntu "[wish] updated graphics drivers in backports (or proposed)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201948
[21:13] <flipstar> damn i just downloaded gnome-2.22.20080312-x86.vmware but cant play it on 2.6.24-12 :((
[21:16] <flipstar> can someone help with that ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59528/ (building vmmon from vmplayer)
[21:16] <mooboo1> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
[21:17] <mooboo1> i installed some updates like XUL i think
[21:17] <mooboo1> and now my firefox wont start!
[21:17] <Lilacor> flipstar: KVM
[21:17] <mooboo1> oh please god save me!
[21:17] <mooboo1> i cannot surf porno
[21:17] <mooboo1> and i cannot google for a solution
[21:17] <Lilacor> muhahahahahahahahha
[21:17] <amon__> noob
[21:17] <mooboo1> i cannot post on launchpad
[21:17] <flipstar> Lilacor: can Kvm player vmware files ?
[21:17] <mooboo1> :(
[21:17] <mooboo1> im stuck
[21:17] <Lilacor> flipstar: KVM can use vmx files, yes
[21:17] <mooboo1> anyone else have this problem? they updated, and now firefox wont work?
[21:17] <flipstar> nice thx
[21:17] <Lilacor> flipstar: that is my understanding
[21:17] <rsk> mooboo1: try links2 or lynx
[21:18] <rsk> or opera
[21:18] <UB`> mooboo1 try run it from a console
[21:18] <UB`> watch the error
[21:19] <flipstar> "* Your system does not have the CPU extensions required to use KVM. Not doing anything." what the ..
[21:19] <crimsun> mooboo1: that's fairly obvious: firefox 3.0b4 hasn't rsynced out yet
[21:20] <mooboo1> crimsun, im using b3, and main repository, when b4 sync out?
[21:21] <UB`> mooboo1 I think this is your problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/201938
[21:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201938 in firefox "firefox cannot start after xulrunner upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:21] <ccooke> Hmm. Seems like my home build *didn't* pick up the broken libc this morning. Yay.
[21:22] <wxPython> what version of Firefox is going to be in the final version of Ubuntu 8.04?
[21:22] <wxPython> is it announced yet?
[21:23] <wxPython> what version of Firefox is going to be in Ubuntu 8.04 Final?
[21:23] <UB`> I hope for FF 3.0 released...
[21:23] <mooboo1> UB`, thanks for the link, I'LL TELNET INTO IT!!!
[21:23] <Artimus> How can I disable SCIM in Kubuntu?  I've got *TWO* of them running right now.  They won't die, and I don't want to remove the package (that'll remove my meta package, I believe)
[21:24] <mooboo1> wxPython, i think 2.0.0.12 or 3.0
[21:24] <UB`> mooboo1 aptitude install epiphany
[21:24] <flipstar> mooboo1: apt-cache search web browser | grep -i "web browser"
[21:24] <Dekans> wxPython: Fx 3
[21:25] <tgelter> ok, so apparently I need to stop being so update-happy...I am now victim to a broken firefox
[21:25] <Dekans> Fx 3 beta 4 should be available in the coming hour on hardy repos
[21:25] <Dekans> tgelter: I'm to
[21:25] <UB`> tgelter https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/201938
[21:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201938 in firefox "firefox cannot start after xulrunner upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:25] <Dekans> too
[21:25] <tgelter> Dekans: yeah, I loaded up links and googled it...saw that it was reported
[21:25] <Dekans> yes
[21:25] <UB`> wait for Firefox 3b4
[21:25] <mooboo1> they should have put XUL in the the gutsy-proposed
[21:25] <Dekans> we have to wait beta 4 :p
[21:26] <UB`> we can wait a couple of hours
[21:26] <wxPython> do you guys think that Firefox is going to get out of Beta before Ubuntu 8.04 final gets out?
[21:26] <Dekans> wxPython: not sure
[21:26] <mooboo1> thank god, i downloaded porno videos, so i dont have to use firefox, i can live without firefox for some hours
[21:26] <rsk> wxPython: if it goes on schedule
[21:26] <wxPython> how many Betas are they planning to do?
[21:26] <UB`> wxPython i hope it but I don't believe it
[21:26] <Dekans> Fx 3 is planned for this summer if i remember well
[21:27] <wxPython> summer?
[21:27] <wxPython> :(
[21:27] <mooboo1> wxPython, after beta, they will make release candiate (rc)
[21:27] <wxPython> so no Firefox final in ubuntu 8.04 then
[21:27] <wxPython> a shame really
[21:27] <Dekans> Is use Fx 3 since beta 2 and it's more stable than Fx 2 stable
[21:27] <UB`> more stable???
[21:27] <Dekans> I find
[21:27] <UB`> you are lucky
[21:27] <mooboo1> well it used to crash alot on youtube
[21:27] <wxPython> then i would recommend that ubuntu has Firefox 2.0.0.12 installed by default
[21:28] <Dekans> I use it on vista at work
[21:28] <wxPython> what do you think?
[21:28] <Dekans> and no problem on ubuntu neither
[21:28] <mooboo1> and instead just crash one tab, it crash whole browser
[21:28] <EruditeHermit> I've used it since alpha 2 or so and its worked well for my purposes
[21:28] <mooboo1> firefox 3 icons on windows are FUGGLY
[21:28] <EruditeHermit> I couldn't read anything in FF2
[21:28] <wxPython> why not?
[21:28] <Dekans> mooboo1: I like it on vista
[21:28] <wxPython> i have FF installed on my Windows XP box
[21:28] <wxPython> where can i gbet the latest FF 3 beta?
[21:29] <wxPython> please provide a link :)
[21:29] <wxPython> oh please :P
[21:29] <mooboo1> mozilla.com
[21:29] <mooboo1> Dekans, oh they look horrible
[21:29] <flipstar> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0b4/linux-i686/
[21:29] <Dekans>  /allbetas
[21:29] <mooboo1> ff2 icons are best
[21:29] <wxPython> dor a Windows box flipstar
[21:29] <wxPython> :)
[21:29] <Dekans> mooboo1: on vista it's nice but not on xp
[21:29] <UB`> I would like a Safari for Linux please give me a link ;)
[21:29] <flipstar> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0b4/ then
[21:29] <mooboo1> oh
[21:29] <wxPython> for
[21:29] <wxPython> :)
[21:29] <wxPython> okay thanks
[21:29] <clusty> http://dbaranski.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/building-firefox-on-ubuntu/
[21:30] <clusty> experimental enough?
[21:30] <clusty> :D
[21:30] <pwnguin> what's the command to explain why a package will be removed?
[21:30] <Dekans> UB`: konqueror with webkit will be better
[21:31] <UB`> Dekans konqueror has a K I don't like ;)
[21:31] <wxPython> okay let me see what the open source has to offer with FF 3.0 Beta 4 :P
[21:31] <amon__> does somebody else also have the problem where sound skips when hanging window focus
[21:31] <wxPython> amon__ where exactly does that occur?
[21:31] <amon__> *changing
[21:32] <tgelter> anyone get gsynaptics to work?
[21:32] <amon__> in all gstreamer apps
[21:32] <wxPython> gstreamer?
[21:32] <wxPython> never heard of it
[21:32] <wxPython> a link to it? :)
[21:33] <amon__> totem, rhythmbox ...
[21:33] <UB`> ok battery is almost empty so it's time to sleep
[21:33] <UB`> 'night
[21:33] <amon__> night
[21:34] <wxPython> import time
[21:34] <wxPython> time.sleep(forever)
[21:34] <wxPython> :P
[21:34] <ConstyXIV> i was in the middle of a big update, X died, but dpkg is still going.  Any way to watch it?
[21:35] <wxPython> watch what?
[21:35] <wxPython> dpkg?
[21:35] <ConstyXIV> yeah
[21:35] <wxPython> uhmm
[21:35] <wxPython> you can't
[21:35] <wxPython> restart X... somehow
[21:35] <KrimZon> i think i broke my wubi even more now
[21:35] <wxPython> or just wait for the download to finish
[21:36] <KrimZon> but i got my home dir off it
[21:36] <wxPython> ConstyXIV but how can you be using an IRC client if X died?
[21:36] <ConstyXIV> i'm sitting in a console doing "ps au" every now and then to see when it quits
[21:36] <ConstyXIV> because im not on my ubuntu machine, how else?
[21:36] <ConstyXIV> besides irssi or something
[21:38] <wxPython> oh
[21:38] <wxPython> i see
[21:39] <wxPython> when the update process finishes, do the reboot command in the console
[21:39] <crimsun> I've rejected bug 201938
[21:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201938 in firefox "firefox cannot start after xulrunner upgrade" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201938
[21:39] <ConstyXIV> that's what i figured
[21:39] <wxPython> hopefully X restores on normal state after reboot
[21:39] <savvas> ConstyXIV: apt-get upgrade ?
[21:40] <wxPython> oh
[21:40] <savvas> ConstyXIV: if you kill it and restart, apt will continue from where it's left
[21:40] <crimsun> the binaries are already available via LP for all the supported arches
[21:40] <Dekans> crimsun: and on the repos ?
[21:40] <wxPython> you have to get the PID of the X Window Mabager
[21:40] <wxPython> *Manager
[21:41] <wxPython> and then do a   kill pid
[21:41] <wxPython> or something like that
[21:41] <crimsun> Dekans: no (please note that I said "via LP")
[21:41] <wxPython> and then  restart x again
[21:41] <Dekans> crimsun: it's now !
[21:41] <Dekans> I'm downloading it
[21:41] <wxPython> what?
[21:42] <Dekans> crimsun: on LP it's wrote that the packages were uploaded
[21:42] <Dekans> wxPython: firefox 3 beta 4
[21:42] <crimsun> Dekans: yes, I'm referring specifically to the generated packages that are available via LP URLs
[21:42] <crimsun> that is why I marked the bug Invalid
[21:43] <Dekans> ok
[21:43] <Dekans> arf
[21:43] <Dekans> still can't launch Fx
[21:43] <wxPython> oh i must install it too
[21:44] <wxPython> let me see...
[21:44] <Dekans> firefox (3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1)
[21:44] <Dekans> ~$ firefox
[21:44] <Dekans> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b3 and 1.9b3.
[21:49] <andy_> i just loaded my os of 8.04, firefox 3 is beyond me, does anyone know how i can use regular firefox?
[21:49] <clusty> andy_, install firefox-2
[21:49] <andy_> it's not in my packages
[21:50] <crimsun> Dekans: it works fine here.
[21:50] <clusty> andy_,  sudo apt-get install firefox-2
[21:50] <clusty> worked for me
[21:50] <andy_> sweet
[21:50] <andy_> ty
[21:50] <savvas> andy_: after that run firefox-2 and not firefox
[21:51] <savvas> hm..
[21:52] <clusty> how can I downgrade xulrunner?
[21:52] <savvas> they didnt release the amd64 version
[21:52] <clusty> i kinda liked ffox3
[21:52] <andy_> i have 412 upgrades, do you think i need them?
[21:52] <crimsun> clusty: err, why downgrade xulrunner?
[21:52] <clusty> cause that bugger killed ffox3
[21:52] <andy_> how DO YOU use firefox 3?
[21:52] <clusty> andy_, you click it?
[21:53] <clusty> :D
[21:53] <crimsun> clusty: it works fine here.
[21:53] <mmc> How do I avoid stripping (of libraries) in a CDBS based package?
[21:53] <clusty> crimsun, do an update
[21:53] <clusty> :D
[21:53] <clusty> and you see
[21:53] <andy_> yea. it  is not something i am familiar with
[21:53] <crimsun> clusty: I did.  And it works fine.
[21:53] <clusty> just now?
[21:53] <andy_> like it is a blank screen almost
[21:53] <savvas> andy_: from the menu applications -> internet -> firefox
[21:54] <andy_> i have file and edit as my only options?
[21:54] <andy_> on ff3
[21:54] <clusty> crimsun, yeeey
[21:54]  * flipstar managed to get vmplayer compiling
[21:54] <clusty> crimsun, ff3 was broken for 2h
[21:54] <clusty> :D
[21:54] <clusty> works now
[21:54] <clusty> flipstar, is that a biggy?
[21:54] <crimsun> (that's what I've been saying for a bit now...)
[21:54] <flipstar> yep
[21:54] <savvas> andy_: dud you just upgrade from gutsy?
[21:54] <savvas> *did
[21:55] <andy_> not upgrade
[21:55] <andy_> but went from gutsy to heron
[21:55] <flipstar> i just used a patch
[21:55] <andy_> how does that factor in to ff3?
[21:55] <andy_> is ff3 only for linux or something ?
[21:55] <crimsun> Dekans: what's your output from:  dpkg -l |awk '/^ii(.)*~b4/ {print $2}' |wc -l
[21:55] <rsk> andy_: no
[21:56] <rsk> ff3 is crossplattform
[21:56] <andy_> yea
[21:56] <andy_> is that what it is
[21:56] <clusty> crimsun, holly macaro
[21:56] <clusty> :D
[21:56] <savvas> andy_: close firefox, open a terminal and check for dependencies and reinstall firefox: sudo apt-get -f --reinstall install firefox firefox-3.0
[21:56] <clusty> thats one reg exp
[21:57] <amon__> for sure
[21:58] <clusty> is there some particular reason for mounting external usb drive as fuseblk rather than ext3?
[21:58] <savvas> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1/+build/539285 <- this report needs updating, I just got my ff beta 4 :)
[21:59] <crimsun> what report?
[21:59] <savvas> it says dependency wait
[22:00] <andy_> so, uh.  who here uses ff3 as their main browser.  if ff3 is a browser...
[22:00] <crimsun> wow, that's a nice new home page for 3.0_b4
[22:00] <crimsun> 3.0~b4, even
[22:01] <crimsun> savvas: uh, you're on ia64?
[22:02] <ConstyXIV> did the mirrors just have a heart attack or something?
[22:03] <savvas> yep
[22:03] <Turski> andy_: \o
[22:03] <crimsun> savvas: that's Itanium...
[22:03] <savvas> oh oops
[22:03] <savvas> amd64
[22:03] <savvas> sowwy
[22:03] <crimsun> right, amd64 != ia64
[22:03] <andy_> yea, nvrmnd, i'll try not to grace you all with my stupidity...
[22:04] <savvas> andy_: can you take a screenshot?
[22:04] <andy_> screenshot?
[22:04] <savvas> yeah, of your firefox
[22:04] <savvas> you say it's broken how i get it
[22:04] <mueslix> evening... i'm running ubuntu hardy (unstable) and since 2.6.24-3 i can't boot without "acpi=off" as an additional kernel parameter
[22:04] <mueslix> it seems there's some problem detecting the sata devices properly
[22:04] <mueslix> any advice?
[22:04] <crimsun> mueslix: how comfortable are you bisecting?
[22:05] <andy_> oh, well, not broken, but i don't know how to use ff3?
[22:05] <crimsun> mueslix: i.e., bisect the source file(s) for your SATA controller
[22:05] <Turski> err?
[22:06] <mueslix> crimsun: what do you mean? :)
[22:06] <savvas> andy_: the same way you used firefox 2, i don't see that big difference
[22:06] <Turski> andy_: dont know how to use ff?
[22:06] <Turski> O_o
[22:06] <crimsun> mueslix: "do you know how to use git-bisect"?
[22:06] <mueslix> not yet, but i guess i'll have to learn
[22:06] <andy_> um, can you type on your ff3 'screen'?
[22:06] <mueslix> just curious... how come it worked fine before?
[22:07] <andy_> i have a blank page, almost
[22:07] <Turski> O_o
[22:07] <crimsun> mueslix: I really don't think you want "pie in the sky" guesses...
[22:07] <Turski> andy_: wtf u talkin about?
[22:07] <crimsun> (at least not from me :)
[22:07] <oliver_g1> wtf? ubuntu now uses a google page as start page? so every ubuntu user can be noticed by google?
[22:08] <oliver_g1> not to mention that the google site (http://partnerpage.google.com/ubuntu.com?) seems to fail when cookies are disabled
[22:08] <savvas> oliver_g1: use customizegoogle, make the cookies anonymous
[22:09] <crimsun> oliver_g1: and/or file a bug against ubufox.
[22:09] <savvas> $ firefox
[22:09] <savvas> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b3 and 1.9b3.
[22:09] <savvas> heh
[22:09] <oliver_g1> savvas: I use "ask me for every cookie" in ff and that made the online home page fail (it always loads the offline page then. after 4(!) seconds waiting)
[22:10] <savvas> oliver_g1: i don't think it's that hard to change home page :)
[22:10] <flipstar> i dont like cookies anyway
[22:10] <crimsun> really, guys, I think Alexander would have more use for bugs than idle whin(g)ing...
[22:10] <savvas> people usually use the internet to search, so i guess using google as first page isn't at all that bad
[22:11] <oliver_g1> the cookie bug is the minor thing
[22:11] <alex_mayorga> anyone that knows how to fix bug 201143
[22:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201143 in sun-java6 "no Java plugin for Firefox with sun-java-6 installed in Hardy alpha 6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201143
[22:11] <oliver_g1> using a ubuntu-specific google-provided start page seems a bit... unfitting
[22:11] <flipstar> alex_mayorga: link it to plugin dir
[22:12] <wxPython> this FF 3.0 Beta 4 has really been polished
[22:12] <oliver_g1> savvas: there's a google search field in upper right corner...
[22:12] <wxPython> it looks very slick ;)
[22:12] <crimsun> alex_mayorga: tried openjdk 6, then?
[22:12] <savvas> oliver_g1: people don't look at the top corner when the open a window
[22:13] <savvas> oliver_g1: when you open a window on your house, don't you look outside? or do you see the crackhole on the top right corner?
[22:13] <andy_> wow, now there's a question...
[22:13] <savvas> i don't see why it's bothering you, as firefox used it as a home page so far :P
[22:14] <crimsun> rather than attack his sentiment, I offered that he should file a bug against the source package that I named above
[22:14] <iter> personally I think that ff_b4 homepage is pretty clean
[22:14] <savvas> I'm just expressing my opinion
[22:15] <iter> regardless, it's quite easy to change, most users have no problem doing so
[22:15] <crimsun> again, asac does not frequent this channel.  Opinions aren't going to reach him directly through this forum.  File a bug!
[22:15] <savvas> oliver_g1: crimsun's right, a bug would be a good idea to file against it
[22:16] <wxPython> i have noticed that the home page icon is no longer present where the Back button and Forward button is....  it was moved to the Bookmarks Toolbar instead
[22:16] <oliver_g1> well I was just pointing out my opinion as well, and also I don't care much if the ubuntu-google startpage doesn't work, so I probably leave it to you to file a bug :-)
[22:16] <wxPython> i didn't find any bugs yet ;)
[22:16] <iter> wxPython: yeah, not sure how much I like that, I prefer the links bar to have other links in it
[22:16] <wxPython> works splendid here ;)
[22:17] <iter> as long as alt-home works though I'm ok
[22:17] <Dekans> ff_b4 works for you ??
[22:17] <wxPython> yes
[22:17] <Dekans> damn
[22:17] <oliver_g1> and I'm glad that I usually don't give people an ubuntu cd and tell them to install on their own, but install and configure it manually - and the google-ubuntu startpage won't stay on my installs
[22:17] <wxPython> i am on Windows XP though
[22:17] <tgelter> so, I just upgraded (saw the note in the forum about xulrunner) again, and firefox still complais about GRE...
[22:17] <iter> works great
[22:17] <savvas> um..
[22:17] <savvas> $ firefox
[22:17] <savvas> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b3 and 1.9b3.
[22:17] <savvas> anyone else noticed this?
[22:17] <Dekans> i still get Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b3 and 1.9b3.
[22:17] <savvas> heh
[22:18] <savvas> Dekans: filed a bug?
[22:18] <Dekans> kubuntu hardy alpha 6 amd 64
[22:18] <alex_mayorga> anyone knows which version of gcc is FF3 compiled with?
[22:18] <Dekans> not yet
[22:18] <savvas> Dekans: ubuntu alpha amd64 :)
[22:18] <Dekans> I'm just back to my computer
[22:18] <wxPython> the only problem is that some plugins don't work in FF 3.0 beta 4
[22:18] <Dekans> savvas: what a segregation :p
[22:18] <wxPython> that worked in FF 2.0.0.12
[22:18] <amon__> can i upgrade libc6 now, im on hardy i368
[22:19] <Dekans> you can edit them to work with fx3
[22:19] <wxPython> i was alerted that one plugin won't work in FF 3.0 Beta 4
[22:19] <andy_> can anyone tell me the terminal code to load ff4
[22:19] <savvas> amon__: /topic
[22:19] <Dekans> andy_: firefox
[22:20] <alex_mayorga> wxPython, use the Nightly plugin to force all the plugins to be compatible ;)
[22:20] <savvas> Dekans: want me to file it?
[22:20] <wxPython> there's some errors when i open www.google.si
[22:20] <wxPython> Warning: Empty string passed to getElementById().
[22:20] <wxPython> Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'cursor'.  Declaration dropped.Source File: http://www.google.si/Line: 1
[22:20] <wxPython> Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'height'.  Declaration dropped.Source File: http://www.google.si/Line: 1
[22:20] <wxPython> Warning: Error in parsing value for property 'width'.  Declaration dropped.Source File: http://www.google.si/Line: 1
[22:21] <wxPython> this is it
[22:21] <wxPython> is that a google issue or firefox issue?
[22:21] <Dekans> savvas: yes go ahead
[22:21] <Dekans> I follow you to confirm
[22:22] <savvas> ok
[22:22] <savvas> well there's not much to say
[22:22] <wxPython> those warnings....
[22:22] <wxPython> are those Google issues?
[22:22] <crimsun> savvas: there's no point to file a bug
[22:22] <crimsun> savvas: the relevant bug is moot; I closed it some time ago
[22:23] <wxPython> because FF 2.0.0.12 didn't produce any warnings when the same site was opened
[22:23] <crimsun> Dekans: the next publisher cycle will take care of amd64; currently only i386 and powerpc have it
[22:23] <savvas> crimsun: ah ok
[22:23] <savvas> hm..
[22:23] <alex_mayorga> flipstar: do you have java on FF3 working?
[22:23] <crimsun> Dekans: as I was saying earlier, all the binaries are available via LP if you're REALLY hard-pressed
[22:23] <savvas> "Please restart any running Firefoxes, or you will experience problems." <- heh firefoxes :)
[22:24] <crimsun> Dekans: if you want the URLs, I'll even pull those for you
[22:24] <andy_> do you need java for ff3?
[22:24] <flipstar> alex_mayorga: yep
[22:24] <wxPython> now FF 3.0b4 produces this stuopid warnings
[22:24] <andy_> what java
[22:24] <Dekans> crimsun: LP repo or direct download ?
[22:24] <wxPython> *stupid
[22:24] <alex_mayorga> flipstar: may you pass your config on the bug I posted please?
[22:24] <flipstar> andy_: you dont essentially need java for firefox..its a plugin for websites
[22:25] <flipstar> alex_mayorga: sure..which config you mean ?
[22:25] <andy_> what java do i need to load, there are a bit on the packages screen
[22:25] <crimsun> Dekans: for amd64, it's only available via LP
[22:25] <wxPython> maybe FF 3.0b4 is not coded to handle empty strings passed to getElementById()
[22:25] <wxPython> ??
[22:25] <alex_mayorga> ls -la /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[22:25] <Dekans> crimsun: can you give me the url please ?
[22:26] <crimsun> Dekans: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12647728/firefox-3.0_3.0%7Eb4%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12647729/firefox-3.0-gnome-support_3.0%7Eb4%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[22:26] <savvas> mean while.. i'll revert back to 3b3
[22:26] <alex_mayorga> flipstar: never mind
[22:26] <Dekans> gnome-support ?
[22:27] <crimsun> Dekans: well, yes, if you use Ubuntu by default, that was installed.
[22:27] <savvas> 3b3 is still in the packages.ubuntu.com :) http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/amd64/firefox-3.0/download
[22:27] <wxPython> Dekans the fact that Ubuntu is still a beta and FF is still a beta makes perfect sense why your Firefox web-browser is not working :)
[22:27] <Dekans> wxPython:  sure
[22:27] <Dekans> :p
[22:27] <Dekans> crimsun: thanks
[22:28] <wxPython> actually Ubuntu is still an alpha
[22:28] <wxPython> which is even worse! :)
[22:28] <wxPython> omg can't wait for the final version
[22:28] <Artimus> Aren't we to Beta today?  or is that tomorrow?
[22:28] <andy_> should i download icedtea java?
[22:28] <andy_> or just java?
[22:28] <andy_> anyone???
[22:28] <wxPython> wake me up till.... 24th April comes ;)
[22:29] <wxPython> not till  'September ends' :D
[22:29] <wxPython> ;)
[22:29] <andy_> or should i just DL all the java's?
[22:29] <wxPython> what?
[22:30] <wxPython> beta?
[22:30] <flipstar> one week or so
[22:30] <andy_> um, there is like web broswer, plug in, runtime, do i need ALL those?
[22:30] <flipstar> depends on your timezone :P
[22:32] <wxPython> is the final version of Ubuntu going to take a day or two to update all the mirrors?
[22:32] <thegve> Hello, I am trying to change the default media application for handling my Ipod. I read a tutorial on http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/ however I don't seam to have the Multimedia tab on the Removable Devices dialog on hardy.
[22:32] <thegve> How would I change this setting?
[22:33] <wxPython> thegve and your iPod is of what model?
[22:33] <thegve> I want to launch Amarok (but I don't expect this to be important..)
[22:33] <thegve> wxPython: Nano 3rd generation
[22:33] <wxPython> hmm
[22:33] <wxPython> never had an ipod before
[22:33] <thegve> rhythmbox launches at this moment
[22:34] <thegve> and it reads the iPod database fine
[22:34] <wxPython> thegve rhythmbox sux
[22:34] <thegve> however, I like to use amarok
[22:34] <thegve> wxPython: Yes, so I'd like to change this, rhythmbox is the old/default setting
[22:34] <wxPython> i was trying the same thing with my Sansa e260 MP3 Player
[22:34] <Odd-rationale> I noticed that the hardy artwork is due today. Are there any screenshots on what the artwork is? Thanks!
[22:35] <wxPython> no luck :(
[22:35] <crimsun> Odd-rationale: probably not (unless you rebuilt the various packages like I did, since they were caught in the glibc snafu)
[22:35] <wxPython> amarok was not started as the default app when i plugged the device in
[22:35] <Odd-rationale> crimsun: OK. Too bad. I'll ask again tomorrow. :)
[22:35] <wxPython> this rhythmbox is hardcoded into ubuntu i guess
[22:36] <thegve> gnome/defaults.list:audio/x-scpls=rhythmbox.desktop
[22:36] <thegve> Found using fgrep
[22:36] <crimsun> Odd-rationale: what specifically are you looking for?  I can take a shot or two.
[22:36] <thegve> But i'll have to find out how this works exactly first...
[22:36] <thegve> /etc/
[22:36] <Odd-rationale> crimsun: The gdm theme and the wallpaper would be nice to see...
[22:37] <wxPython> thegve maybe if you chabe that to   gnome/defaults.list:audio/x-scpls=amarok.desktop   ??
[22:37] <crimsun> Odd-rationale: there are two wallpapers.
[22:37] <crimsun> Odd-rationale: one with the heron, one without.
[22:37] <Odd-rationale> crimsun: Let me see the one with the heron.
[22:38] <Odd-rationale> crimsun: I am identified. You should be able to send it right to me.
[22:38] <wxPython> thegve maybe if you change that to   gnome/defaults.list:audio/x-scpls=amarok.desktop   what happens??
[22:40] <crimsun> Odd-rationale: http://trilug.org/~crimsun/Screenshot.png
[22:40] <wxPython> the maintainer of the gnome-panel package is Ubuntu Desktop Team <ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com>
[22:41] <Odd-rationale> crimsun: Cool! Is the gdm theme the same as it has always been?
[22:41] <wxPython> after a gnome dev applies the patch to the gnome panel - would that send a notice to the Ubuntu Desktop Team so that they rebuild the gnome-panel package and upload it so that people can update their packages?
[22:41] <crimsun> Odd-rationale: no
[22:42] <wxPython> well?
[22:42] <Odd-rationale> crimsun: I know it is difficult to take a shot at the gdm theme. I guess I can wait for that. Thanks for indulging me with that!
[22:43] <wxPython> please answer my question
[22:43] <wxPython> i want to know before i fall into sleep
[22:43] <wxPython> :)
[22:44] <wxPython> well??
[22:44] <wxPython> the maintainer of the gnome-panel package is Ubuntu Desktop Team <ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com>
[22:44] <crimsun> wxPython: not unless the team is explicitly subscribed to the branch, no.
[22:44] <wxPython> after a gnome dev applies the patch to the gnome panel - would that send a notice to the Ubuntu Desktop Team so that they rebuild the gnome-panel package and upload it so that people can update their packages?
[22:44] <thegve> wxPython: Killed rhythmbox and mounted the iPod by entering it's mount point in Amarok
[22:44] <thegve> but this should not be 'the way'
[22:44] <wxPython> i hope the fucking bug's fix/patch (whatever) will be applied
[22:45] <wxPython> thegve how on earth did you do that?! :)
[22:45] <wxPython> did you manage to do that i ment
[22:45] <wxPython> well?
[22:46] <savvas> !language
[22:46] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:46] <savvas> :]
[22:46] <wxPython> ok ok
[22:46] <wxPython> :)
[22:46] <bmk789> anyone tried upgrading to firefox 3 beta 4?
[22:46] <bmk789> im getting "Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b3 and 1.9b3."
[22:46] <wxPython> yes
[22:46] <thegve> wxPython: settings->configure amarok
[22:46] <thegve> media devices
[22:46] <wxPython> yeah...
[22:46] <wxPython> go on
[22:46] <Odd-rationale> Will kubuntu hardy have a heron i their default wall paper, too?
[22:46] <savvas> bmk789: amd64? it's in the to-do list :)
[22:46] <thegve> add, enter the mount point, choose 'connect'
[22:47] <wxPython> thegve so now amarok opens when you plug in the device?
[22:47]  * flipstar running 3.0b4 since a week
[22:47] <thegve> And it will notice there is a lock file, and ask you to remove it, and it does it when you click 'remove'
[22:47] <wxPython> ha!
[22:47] <thegve> wxPython: No, it just mount's it this time
[22:47] <wxPython> great!
[22:47] <bmk789> savvas: any idea when it will be fixed?
[22:48] <savvas> bmk789: nope, but if you need the old one, you need these packages: firefox-3.0_3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4_amd64.deb firefox_3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4_all.deb firefox-3.0-gnome-support_3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4_amd64.deb xulrunner-1.9_1.9~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support_1.9~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[22:48] <savvas> or just use firefox-2 heh
[22:48] <wxPython> thegve maybe you need to get rid of rhythmbox
[22:48] <wxPython> it's crap anyway
[22:48] <wxPython> apt-get remove rhythmbox  ?
[22:49] <savvas> didn't know we can remove it :)
[22:49] <thegve> wxPython: It's just too late, I forgot to do the obvious
[22:50] <Dekans> savvas, bmk789 : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12647728/firefox-3.0_3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[22:50] <Dekans> get this one
[22:50] <savvas> Dekans: i provided the thorough solution :P
[22:50] <wxPython> thegve the obvious what? :)
[22:51] <thegve> wxPython: To just remove rhythmbox
[22:51] <wxPython> :D
[22:51] <wxPython> well, it's actually hardcoded into Ubuntu you know
[22:51] <savvas> nope
[22:51] <wxPython> i don't know if you can really remove it
[22:51] <Dekans> okay :p
[22:51] <thegve> rhythmbox seams to be written in mono, pretty flawless
[22:51] <savvas> i just removed it :)
[22:51] <wxPython> in mono?
[22:51] <thegve> wxPython: Ubuntu is not windows, it will not rely on a mediaplayer ;)
[22:51] <wxPython> what is that?
[22:52] <typhox> hi
[22:52] <thegve> c#/.net for Linux
[22:52] <savvas> thegve: in mono is another program written.. b.. bsomething
[22:52] <wxPython> thegve aha
[22:52] <savvas> banwhee?
[22:52] <savvas> banshee!
[22:52] <typhox> I have a problem. I can not start firefox^^
[22:52] <wxPython> once i was told here that rhythmbox is hardcoded and i can't remove it so easily blah blah
[22:52] <wxPython> :(
[22:52] <wxPython> )_:
[22:52] <wxPython> sflbsmfhkj:)
[22:52] <savvas> typhox: 64-bit ubuntu?
[22:52] <typhox> Yes
[22:53] <wxPython> I have a problem. I can not unzip my pants^^
[22:53] <wxPython> :D
[22:53] <savvas> typhox: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12647728/firefox-3.0_3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[22:54] <thumper> I upgraded my desktop from kubuntu gutsy -> hardy several weeks ago, and since then it's been somewhat broken
[22:54] <typhox> i think i can not start it after i installed some updates
[22:54] <thumper> it seems to be getting duplicate mouse down events
[22:54] <wxPython> uhmmm
[22:54] <savvas> typhox: download and install that one
[22:54] <thumper> (but only after a short time)
[22:54] <wxPython> thegve did you remove rhythmbox yet?
[22:55] <thegve> wxPython: Yes, and now just nothing happens when I connect my iPod
[22:55] <thegve> Which saves me from rhythmbox placing a lock file
[22:55] <KrimZon> thumper: i had that a lot when i was meddling with my xorg.conf
[22:55] <thegve> So that's one step :)
[22:56] <thumper> KrimZon: any idea what to change?
[22:56] <KrimZon> i finally managed to install the latest kernel and nvidia drivers
[22:56] <mmc> thumper: the mouse driver?  evdev vs. mouse
[22:57] <KrimZon> that mustve rewritten my broken xorg.conf
[22:57] <wxPython> thegve you've removed the lock file already
[22:57] <thumper> it seems that during the upgrade I've been switched to "nv" which I think is the open source driver for nvidia
[22:58] <thumper> I have nvidia installed, but how do I switch back?
[22:58] <wxPython> so you didn't need to actually remove rhythmbox, but since you did it, it's okay because rhythmbox sux anyway, even it's name sucks :D
[22:58] <thegve> wxPython: When a media application is using the iPod, it places a lockfile to indicate no-one else should use it
[22:58] <thumper> mmc: the driver is "mouse"
[22:58] <flipstar> thumper: just replace nv with nvidia in xorg.conf ..
[22:59] <wxPython> oh
[22:59] <thegve> wxPython: So the next time rhythmbox would start, it would put the lockfile back again
[22:59] <wxPython> aha
[22:59] <thumper> flipstar: isn't there a nice gui somewhere :) ?
[22:59] <wxPython> i see
[22:59] <wxPython> thegve can you set amarok as your default media app?
[22:59] <flipstar> thumper: no..but a script :)
[22:59] <flipstar> nvidia-xconfig
[23:00] <thegve> wxPython: Yes.
[23:01] <wxPython> ok
[23:02] <savvas> thumper: screens and graphics from the system menu -> graphics driver
[23:02] <wxPython> once you do that... does amarok launches after you plug your iPod in?
[23:02] <thumper> savvas: this on kubuntu?
[23:02] <savvas> thumper: ah no
[23:02] <thumper> :)
[23:02] <wxPython> thegve?
[23:02] <wxPython> once you do that... does amarok launches after you plug your iPod in?
[23:02] <thegve> wxPython: No, amarok has been set as my default media application for 'ages'
[23:02] <thegve> wxPython: I'm not that fast....
[23:02] <wxPython> oh
[23:03] <wxPython> it's okay :)
[23:03] <savvas> thegve: did you report this bug about rhythmbox loading the memory cards/ipods ?
[23:03] <wxPython> i kinda hate rhythmbox to open when a media device is recognised
[23:04] <thegve> It almost seams like they moved it somewhere else in a configuration dialog
[23:04] <thegve> as I see posts everywhere on the internet about this option in "removable devices and media", but in hardy it isn't there anymore
[23:04] <wxPython> if amarok is default, then amarok should open when a device is hotplugged
[23:05] <typhox> thank you it worked
[23:05] <wxPython> not that stupid, shitty rhythbox grrr
[23:05] <wxPython> i hate that stupid rhythmshitface
[23:05] <thegve> savvas: It is not a bug, it is the default handler auto-handling my iPod, I like this, and it should stay this way, I would just like to change the default handler
[23:05] <wxPython> :D
[23:05] <thegve> rhythmbox is not the problem
[23:06] <wxPython> hmm
[23:06] <wxPython> how to set that handler then?
[23:06] <savvas> thegve: it's a bug for me, every time i plug in my sony ericsson w810i, it open rhythmbox
[23:06] <savvas> *opens even
[23:06] <thegve> I suppose there is or will be a dialog to configure this
[23:06] <ader10> is there a freenx package for hardy
[23:07] <savvas> i hope so
[23:07] <cwillu> Preferred Applications?
[23:07] <thegve> ader10: I just installed nomachine free
[23:07] <thegve> It worked fine
[23:07] <savvas> it was in preferred apps before
[23:07] <cwillu> thegve,
[23:07] <thegve> I don't know about freenx
[23:07] <cwillu> it is on mine
[23:07] <ader10> thegve: from what repository
[23:07] <thegve> ader10: Just downloaded from nomachine.com
[23:07] <thegve> They provide deb files
[23:08] <ader10> thegve: ohh, I confused 'nomachine free' with 'freenx'
[23:08] <ader10> well, is the only limitation that you can only have 2 simultaneous clients connected?
[23:08] <thegve> I installed both a server (my workstation) and a client (my underpowered laptop)
[23:08] <thegve> ader10: Yes
[23:08] <ader10> thegve: so I can use any computer as long as I log off when I leave one
[23:08] <KrimZon> is there any way i can repair my wubi installation from the cd?
[23:08] <KrimZon> its the broken libc6 thing
[23:09] <ader10> thegve: I don't want it to be a gotcha thing that says "2 clients = 2 computers"
[23:09] <thegve> ader10: Yes, otherwise you'll get an error about the .xauthority file being locked ;)
[23:09] <wxPython> thegve did you manage to solve the problem of changing the handler?
[23:09] <thegve> ader10: I have installed 70 thin-clients on 3 locations using nomachine NX
[23:09] <thegve> wxPython: not yet
[23:10] <wxPython> getting there okay
[23:10] <wxPython> ;)
[23:10] <thegve> ader10: It does not limit the number of computers
[23:10] <ader10> wonderful
[23:10] <wxPython> thegve i have found this lovely site for you ;)
[23:10] <wxPython> This tutorial will take you through the steps to do just that, and it will also show you how to make Amarok the default program that launches when your iPod is connected.
[23:11] <wxPython> this is what we want
[23:11] <wxPython> let me give you the link...
[23:11] <thegve> You make me curious, could you just send me the url ;)
[23:11] <wxPython> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/07/04/how-to-use-amarok-to-manage-your-ipod-in-ubuntu/
[23:11] <wxPython> :)
[23:11] <ader10> thegve: do you see any reason to prefer freenx over nx free or vice versa
[23:11] <thegve> wxPython:  yes, do you have hardy? Would you please look up the tab 'media devices' on your machine?
[23:11] <thegve> I don't have it
[23:12] <thegve> ader10: freenx lacked some management options (listing sessions or something like that, few years ago...) at the time
[23:12] <wxPython> thegve sorry i'm on Windows right now
[23:12] <cwillu> !info firefox-3.0
[23:12] <wxPython> can't boot to linux atm
[23:13] <ubotu> firefox-3.0 (source: firefox-3.0): lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 1092 kB, installed size 3768 kB
[23:13] <ader10> thegve: do you think freenx will accel past nx free any time soon
[23:13] <thegve> ader10: But the compression system is open source, and shared between both nomachine nx and freenx
[23:13] <thegve> And 2x server also
[23:13] <wxPython> thegve did you follow the tutorial?
[23:13] <thegve> It is some fork of nomachine NX i haven't got to investigating yet..
[23:14] <thegve> wxPython: I already found that one, but like I said I don't have the media devices tab
[23:14] <thegve> wxPython: I mean the 'multimedia'  tab
[23:14] <ader10> thegve: do you think freenx will accel past nx free any time soon
[23:15] <wxPython> oh
[23:15] <wxPython> hmmm
[23:16] <thegve> ader10: What do you mean with 'accel'?
[23:16] <thegve> ader10: Be better than?
[23:16] <wxPython> thegve have you ever uninstalled anything on hardy?
[23:16] <ader10> thegve: call or raise N!
[23:16] <wxPython> anything at all?
[23:16] <wxPython> because that tab _should_ be present
[23:17] <wxPython> which other tabs are also missing?
[23:17] <ader10> I'm all in suspense over a yes or no answer, my decision is almost final on what to use :P
[23:17] <wxPython> Select System -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media.
[23:17] <thegve> ader10: I don't know, I picked nomachine NX after quite some testing in 2004 over nomachine nx
[23:18] <ader10> thegve: thank you for your help
[23:18] <wxPython> there SHOULD be a Multimedia tab in the window that pops up
[23:18] <ader10> now on a different topic, is ctrl-alt-backspace disabled or will x get zapped if I try it
[23:18] <thegve> ader10: I have written a management system for nomachine NX, and I lacked some information for that that freenx did not submit
[23:19] <thegve> wxPython: Have you seen it on hardy?
[23:19] <wxPython> thegve how about that Multimedia tab now?
[23:19] <wxPython> i haven't
[23:19] <wxPython> because i don't use hardy
[23:19] <wxPython> not now i mean
[23:19] <thegve> I think i've seen it on previous ubuntu versions too
[23:19] <wxPython> there should be something similar thought
[23:19] <thegve> I'll just check my laptop, 1 sec
[23:20] <wxPython> *though
[23:20] <thegve> My laptop does have it
[23:20] <thegve> odd
[23:20] <thegve> it is using gutsy i think* checking...
[23:20] <wxPython> maybe you removed something important in your current machine
[23:20] <thegve> feisty
[23:20] <wxPython> oh
[23:21] <wxPython> well, maybe this guys at Canonical messed those things now
[23:21] <thegve> wxPython: I don't think so, I think something has changed in Hardy for the location of this
[23:21] <wxPython> anyway, please look at all the settings you can ffind
[23:22] <ader10> thegve: just a simple question, do you know if the "shadow" type session works for nomachine nx?
[23:22] <thegve> wxPython: There are some things going on with gnome-vfs etc in gnome 2.22, maybe it has something to do with this
[23:22] <wxPython> that seems like a probable cause yeah
[23:23] <thegve> ader10: This may interest you:http://www.linux.com/feature/116354
[23:24] <thegve> It can tunnel both VNC and RDP, and you can set up "shadow" sessions, where remote users can watch, but not interact with, an X session on a remote machine. Paranoiacs will be happy to learn that NX notifies you when a remote user starts shadowing your session
[23:24] <thegve> ader10: so yes...
[23:25] <wxPython> thegve the thing is that you have to change the media player command from rhythmbox  to /usr/bin/amarok
[23:26] <wxPython> please look at all the available settings
[23:26] <thegve> ader10: From an ex-collegeau who is still on that company, I have heard they do have some stability problems using nomachine NX. Flock timeouts or something like that
[23:27] <wxPython> when you'll see a box that has rhythmbox written inside it, that should be changed to /usr/bin/amarok
[23:27] <thegve> wxPython: I do not have to change the media player command, I have to change the portable media player command
[23:27] <wxPython> Assuming you installed Amarok in the default location that is
[23:27] <thegve> wxPython: I am having a laptop here in front of me that has the dialog, and a workstation that hasn't
[23:27] <wxPython> i mean the portable media player command yes
[23:27] <thegve> wxPython: So I know what I should be looking for...
[23:27] <wxPython> sorry :)
[23:28] <wxPython> yeah, just look for a thing rhythmbox
[23:28] <wxPython> Assuming you installed Amarok in the default location, change the setting to /usr/bin/amarok
[23:29] <wxPython> anyhow, find the amarok executable file and look where is it located
[23:29] <wxPython> then use that path in the command
[23:30] <thegve> wxPython: I know what to set, but not where to set it
[23:30] <wxPython> it's probably /usr/bin
[23:30] <wxPython> hmmm
[23:30] <thegve> wxPython: To find a executables location that is in the path, use the 'which' command
[23:30] <wxPython> that would probably be done through the command shell
[23:31] <wxPython> that would also be done through the command shell... changing the media player command that is
[23:31] <wxPython> let me google now
[23:32] <thegve> wxPython: Thank you very much, but I'll have to go to sleep now. I don't know where you are(in which country) but I am in the netherlands, gmt+1, so 0:30 AM, I'll have to go to work in 7 hours :)
[23:34] <wxPython> oh
[23:34] <wxPython> and I have to get to work in 4 hours and a half
[23:34] <wxPython> :P
[23:34] <wxPython> i'm from slovenia btw
[23:35] <wxPython> gmt +1
[23:35] <thegve> 4.5 hours, lol
[23:35] <wxPython> yeah
[23:35] <thegve> ah
[23:35] <flipstar> you sleep at work ? :P
[23:35] <wxPython> haha
[23:35] <wxPython> no :P
[23:35] <wxPython> i slept 3 hours today already
[23:35] <thegve> I did an update - amarok and half of the sound system will be upgraded, so let's hope for the best...
[23:35] <wxPython> when i went back from work
[23:36] <wxPython> thegve great
[23:36] <wxPython> portable music player command
[23:36] <virtuald> hey, so I want to use a GIT version of xorg as opposed to the one in hardy (trying to patch it), any thoughts on how one makes the system believe that I already have the package installed without it actually being thtere?
[23:38] <wxPython> thegve
[23:39] <wxPython> please navigate to System > Preferences > Removable Drives and Media,
[23:39] <wxPython> and tell me which tabs _do_ exist therew
[23:39] <wxPython> there*
[23:40] <wxPython> thegve got another link you ya ;)
[23:40] <wxPython> for ya
[23:40] <wxPython> http://graemehunter.co.uk/2007/01/sync-your-podcasts-to-your-ipod-under-ubuntu/
[23:41] <wxPython> it's basically the same tutorial
[23:41] <wxPython> but i'll give the link anyway :)
[23:41] <thegve> ok...
[23:41] <wxPython> if you don't find the Multimedia tab, then that's too bad
[23:41] <wxPython> the've moved the son of a bi*ch as it seems ;)
[23:42] <wxPython> they've*
[23:43] <DanaG> What the hell?  All my firefox extensions are GONE!
[23:43] <DanaG> GONE!  Not just disabled.
[23:43] <thegve> wxPython: I'll dive in tomorrow, if it is a setting I WILL find it :)
[23:43] <DanaG> Damn fat32.
[23:43] <DanaG> "Oh hey, there's a hole in the file!  Let's delete it!"
[23:43] <thegve> DanaG: Not just not-compatible with FF 3?
[23:44] <DanaG> Nope, just gone, thanks to fsck.vfat nuking extensions.rdf.
[23:44] <flipstar> DanaG: you using same profile .. ?
[23:45] <DanaG> Yup.  It's just due to having had a hard lockup while Firefox was open.
[23:45] <DanaG> Stupid Firefox must keep the files open at all times, or something.
[23:45] <DanaG> ... instead of just writing on close.
[23:54] <ader10> I can not run gedit as root or with sudo. Please help.
[23:56] <DanaG> !gksudo
[23:56] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[23:56] <ader10> DanaG: it doesn't work with gksudo either...
[23:56] <flipstar> ader10: is your user in sudoers ?
[23:56] <ader10> flipstar: yes
[23:57] <flipstar> no error message ?
[23:57] <ader10> flipstar: I just get a blinking cursor as if it were running, but no window appears
[23:58] <flipstar> but other apps run ?
[23:58] <flipstar> as root
[23:58] <ader10> flipstar: yes
[23:59] <ader10> flipstar: such as mousepad, which I am using now instead of gedit