| calc | i found at least one of the major reasons of OOo layout screw ups | 03:56 |
|---|---|---|
| * calc points at fontconfig | 03:56 | |
| calc | fc-match -s Times | 03:57 |
| calc | n021003l.pfb: "Nimbus Roman No9 L" "Regular" | 03:57 |
| calc | TimesNewRomanPSMT.ttf: "Times New Roman" "Normal" | 03:57 |
| calc | it considers Nimbus (which doesn't have matching metrics aiui) to be a better match than Times New Roman | 03:57 |
| calc | i'm not sure if other fonts are similiarly messed up or not | 03:58 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | morning dholbach | 07:14 |
| dholbach | hey Amaranth | 07:14 |
| kwwii | pitti, dholbach: here are my last packages before freeze | 07:46 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.23.dsc | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.23_source.build | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.23_source.changes | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.23.tar.gz | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.25.dsc | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.25_source.build | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.25_source.changes | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.25.tar.gz | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.13.dsc | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.13_source.build | 07:50 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.13_source.changes | 07:50 |
| dholbach | kwwii: are the changes in bzr? | 08:22 |
| dholbach | hey seb128 | 08:22 |
| seb128 | hello dholbach | 08:23 |
| dholbach | kwwii: do you still have the script I wrote for you during allhands? (get-uploaded or something like that) | 08:24 |
| dholbach | I'd somehow prefer if those updates went through the normal sponsoring process so whoever has spare cycles for doing an upload can do them | 08:26 |
| dholbach | it'd be great if I could take a look at the script again - bdmurray would need it for python-launchpad-bugs and bughelper too | 08:26 |
| mvo | hrm, nautilus-share FTBFS | 09:07 |
| mvo | woah | 09:08 |
| mvo | malloc: ../../bash/builtins/../../bash/builtins/printf.def:379: assertion botched | 09:08 |
| mvo | free: called with unallocated block argument | 09:08 |
| huats | morning dear desktop teamers :) | 09:19 |
| crevette | hi huats | 09:20 |
| huats | hi crevette | 09:20 |
| seb128 | lut crevette huats | 09:20 |
| crevette | salut seb128 | 09:21 |
| crevette | hello all others | 09:21 |
| mvo | huats! | 09:21 |
| mvo | huats: good morning :) gnome-commander (based on your diff) is in debian now, so a sync should be enough | 09:22 |
| huats | plop seb128 | 09:22 |
| huats | hello mvo | 09:22 |
| huats | yeah i have seen your email :) | 09:23 |
| huats | thanks :) | 09:23 |
| huats | absolutly... | 09:23 |
| huats | do you want me to ask for a sync ? | 09:23 |
| huats | or do you take care of it ? | 09:23 |
| seb128 | synced | 09:24 |
| huats | already ? | 09:25 |
| mvo | woah | 09:25 |
| huats | :) | 09:25 |
| * mvo hugs seb128 | 09:25 | |
| * seb128 hugs mvo back | 09:25 | |
| mvo | huats: maybe we should mention in the bugreport that its a bugfix release so that everybody is happy | 09:25 |
| * huats hugs seb128 and mvo (advantages of long arm :) | 09:25 | |
| seb128 | heh | 09:25 |
| * mvo hugs huats | 09:25 | |
| * ember hugs glibc | 09:25 | |
| huats | ember: LOL | 09:26 |
| huats | mvo: good idea | 09:26 |
| dholbach | kwwii: you still there? | 09:41 |
| dholbach | kwwii: can you take a look at my questions? | 09:41 |
| kwwii | dholbach: they are all in bzr | 09:43 |
| kwwii | dholbach: sorry, sick kid at home | 09:43 |
| dholbach | OK.. no problem | 09:45 |
| kwwii | erm, I screwed up gdm anyway .-( | 09:51 |
| dholbach | kwwii: the other two are OK? | 09:51 |
| kwwii | yes | 09:52 |
| kwwii | and now gdm is fixed in bzr | 09:53 |
| dholbach | kwwii: I can't find the script I wrote for your during allhands - I'll rewrite it because bdmurray needs it too - what it'll do is file a sponsoring bug for you (you'll just have to do something like please-upload http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu ) | 09:55 |
| mvo | lool, seb128: is someone working on brassero? there is a typo in the desktop.in.in file and I will fix it now if noone is already taking care of it | 10:00 |
| seb128 | mvo: there was a sponsor request for it but the patch was not building so I put it to incomplete | 10:01 |
| dholbach | kwwii: all three uploaded | 10:01 |
| seb128 | mvo: bug #200024 | 10:01 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 200024 in brasero "typo in desktop file" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200024 | 10:01 |
| lool | mvo: Tell me, I'll fix it in pkg-gnome (upstream) as well | 10:01 |
| lool | (we're in sync ATM) | 10:01 |
| seb128 | lool: the bug is in the bts too | 10:01 |
| lool | Actually we're lagging by a debian upload | 10:01 |
| lool | seb128: ah missed it | 10:02 |
| seb128 | lool: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464772 | 10:02 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 464772 in brasero "Invalid MIME type in brasero.desktop" [Minor,Open] | 10:02 |
| pitti | kwwii, dholbach: I finished mail and currently sponsor some of Till's packages anyway; while I'm in the mood, I can do your's as well now | 10:03 |
| dholbach | pitti: already done | 10:04 |
| pitti | oh | 10:04 |
| pitti | thanks | 10:04 |
| mvo | seb128: the patch from daniel works for me (in pbuilder) - no idea what went wrong for you | 10:05 |
| seb128 | mvo: dunno, I just apt-get source, applied and debuild | 10:06 |
| lool | mvo, seb128 building | 10:06 |
| seb128 | mvo: but let's sync on debian | 10:06 |
| * mvo nods | 10:06 | |
| seb128 | mvo: out of interest how come you are looking at fixing this bug now? ;-) | 10:06 |
| lool | Application de 007-fix-desktop-file-mime-typo.patch | 10:06 |
| lool | patching file data/brasero.desktop.in.in | 10:06 |
| lool | (Worked for me too) | 10:06 |
| lool | seb128, mvo: brasero uploaded; NB: also drops the bonfire transitional package which is desirable for hardy | 10:15 |
| lool | (desirable to drop that is) | 10:15 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | Oh Fuck You Epiphany | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | *sigh* | 10:16 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: still the avahi crasher? | 10:17 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: there is a candidate patch on the upstream bug now if you want to try it | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | ooh, ref? (to save me attempting to get into lp without it crashing) | 10:18 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516008 | 10:19 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 516008 in Bookmarks "crash in Epiphany Web Browser: Seems to be avahi bookma..." [Critical,New] | 10:19 |
| Keybuk | don't suppose you have the url to the patch I can just wget? :p | 10:21 |
| Keybuk | ah | 10:21 |
| Keybuk | got it that time | 10:21 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:23 |
| mvo | lool: thanks! | 10:25 |
| seb128 | git bisec is really cool | 10:34 |
| seb128 | does bzr has something equivalent? | 10:35 |
| Keybuk | there's a bzr bisect plugin | 10:39 |
| Keybuk | http://bzr.licquia.org/bzr-bisect/ | 10:40 |
| Keybuk | mvo: I'm having strange compiz problems today | 10:40 |
| seb128 | should try that | 10:40 |
| dholbach | what does it do? | 10:40 |
| seb128 | I'm debugging cairo with upstream and I've to say it's cool | 10:40 |
| seb128 | dholbach: I bisec on changes | 10:41 |
| mvo | Keybuk: tell me more | 10:41 |
| seb128 | like you told it that 1.5.8 was good and current is bad | 10:41 |
| Keybuk | mvo: when moving between workspaces, it seems to get stuck | 10:41 |
| seb128 | it gives you 110 revisions to try | 10:41 |
| seb128 | go to the middle | 10:41 |
| seb128 | and you say good or bad | 10:41 |
| Keybuk | mvo: about a quarter of the way through the transition, and locks there | 10:41 |
| seb128 | it split the revisions again | 10:41 |
| Keybuk | mvo: hitting other random keys like wall can unstick it | 10:41 |
| Keybuk | mvo: but then all my workspaces are randomly rearranged | 10:41 |
| mvo | Keybuk: interessting, let me try to reproduce | 10:41 |
| seb128 | and just by saying good and bad and in a few makes, tries you get the buggy revisions in the 110 | 10:41 |
| seb128 | dholbach: ^ | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | mvo: It may be me making multiple moves, ie left-left-left in rapid sequence? | 10:42 |
| dholbach | I've been fairly happy with bzr blame :) | 10:42 |
| mvo | Keybuk: ok, I will try to reproduce, the recent changes were quite small so that should be not too hard to find | 10:42 |
| seb128 | dholbach: what does it do? | 10:43 |
| dholbach | give you revision numbers next to lines of the code | 10:43 |
| seb128 | well, in this case it's not a crasher | 10:43 |
| dholbach | so you can see which commit was responsible for a certain change of the current code | 10:43 |
| seb128 | and it could have been any of those 110 commits | 10:44 |
| seb128 | so doing a bunch of quick iterations is neat | 10:44 |
| dholbach | something like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/python-launchpad-bugs/main/annotate/kees.cook%40canonical.com-20080311201757-a690phtpj2v03u9t?file_id=testing.sh-20070705124215-dzmxjtip0qklqu67-1 | 10:45 |
| seb128 | that's cool too | 10:45 |
| dholbach | that's what bzr blame gives you | 10:45 |
| Keybuk | dholbach: bzr bisect helps you find the crasher in the first place | 10:45 |
| Keybuk | it's when you have a known good revision, and a known bad revision | 10:46 |
| Keybuk | and it's not obvious from the code what broke it | 10:46 |
| dholbach | right | 10:46 |
| Keybuk | so you do a binary search over the revision set to find the one that broke it | 10:46 |
| seb128 | on this cairo case and 110 revision with no idea on where the bug is in the code it gives you the broken commit in a few minutes | 10:46 |
| seb128 | $ git bisect good | 10:47 |
| seb128 | 6f9d71c10bf3e38c88378950037d1c81a2413617 is first bad commit | 10:47 |
| seb128 | commit 6f9d71c10bf3e38c88378950037d1c81a2413617 | 10:47 |
| seb128 | Author: Adrian Johnson <ajohnson@redneon.com> | 10:47 |
| seb128 | Date: Thu Feb 7 00:28:19 2008 +1030 | 10:47 |
| seb128 | Make PS backend use cairo-pdf-operators.c | 10:47 |
| Keybuk | bisect and test cases is *love* | 10:50 |
| seb128 | indeed | 10:53 |
| mvo | Keybuk: I can not reproduce it yet, this is one intel for you? | 10:54 |
| Keybuk | yeah, i945 | 10:54 |
| Keybuk | it just happened then | 10:54 |
| Keybuk | I did down-right and it stuck about the point it stopped going down and starting heading down-right | 10:54 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: let me know if the epiphany patch works for you, I can backport it to hardy | 10:55 |
| Keybuk | it seems to be working so far | 10:55 |
| Keybuk | it's been nearly five minutes without a crash | 10:55 |
| * mvo tries it on a -intel system | 10:57 | |
| lool | Keybuk: Dunno whether you received my invitation to try out elisa again | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | lool: errr, mayyybe | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | it uninstalled itself because it was broken | 11:03 |
| lool | Keybuk: ISTR you had issues with the initial try | 11:03 |
| lool | Keybuk: Some packages it needed were held in NEW; try installing it now, it should be available | 11:04 |
| dennda | seb128: a word | 11:04 |
| lool | There's a recommended elisa-plugins-ugly package which you probably want as well; it might not be pulled as it's a recommends: | 11:04 |
| Keybuk | mvo: definitely seems to be combinations of movements | 11:04 |
| seb128 | dennda: which one? | 11:05 |
| dennda | seb128: I found that the evolution window is way too big. This bugreport indicates that other people have the very same problem (the evolution-startup-wizard doesn't fit into my 1280x800): https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution/+bug/23810 | 11:05 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 23810 in evolution "Size of preference dialog too big" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 11:05 |
| seb128 | dennda: yeah, known issue | 11:05 |
| dennda | seb128: If I would like to try to fix it, where would I start? | 11:05 |
| dennda | (I'd like to try fixing very-easy-to-solve-bugs to get started with bugfixing. This looks like one.) | 11:06 |
| Keybuk | lool: just a black window this time | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | and it hid all my other windows | 11:08 |
| seb128 | dennda: I doubt it's an easy to fix one | 11:08 |
| seb128 | dennda: it's likely involve reworking all the dialog layout | 11:08 |
| dennda | oh | 11:10 |
| dennda | sad | 11:10 |
| mvo | can we disable the start animation in the panel? the one were the icon blurs and gets bigger? | 11:12 |
| lool | Keybuk: With compiz I guess? | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | lool: right | 11:13 |
| dennda | By the way, compiz works way better now (hardy with intel gma 965. even with videos) | 11:13 |
| asac | pitti: oh ... can we still promote mozilla-devscripts to main today? i just saw that i updated ubufox packaging to make use of the new xpi.mk in there (which unifies how we package extensions)? | 11:13 |
| lool | Keybuk: What's your driver? | 11:13 |
| Keybuk | lool: i945 | 11:13 |
| Keybuk | seb128: no crash yet | 11:13 |
| asac | pitti: i can also backout that change if its too late. if you want a MIR let me know. | 11:14 |
| pitti | asac: yes, please file an MIR bug; m-devscripts sounds harmless enough | 11:14 |
| asac | ok great | 11:14 |
| dennda | Who's responsible for the content of the "Examples"-folder each user has in his home-directory? | 11:14 |
| pitti | asac: if it's a trivial package, don't bother about a wiki page | 11:14 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: how often was it crashing before? | 11:14 |
| pitti | but we need a bug report | 11:14 |
| lool | Keybuk: Ok, I'll tell upstream; I guess you would be able to play with elisa without compiz | 11:14 |
| asac | pitti: its a trivial thing ... just a build-depends that includes a cdbs like helper | 11:14 |
| asac | nothing that will get on cd | 11:14 |
| pitti | asac: yes, let's get that in | 11:14 |
| asac | pitti: subscribe ubuntu-mir? | 11:18 |
| pitti | asac: yes, please | 11:18 |
| asac | bug 201753 | 11:19 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 201753 in mozilla-devscripts "[MIR] please promote mozilla-devscripts to main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201753 | 11:19 |
| asac | pitti: let me know when its done so i can upload ubufox. thanks | 11:24 |
| pitti | asac: you can upload it already, it'll just depwait | 11:24 |
| asac | oh ok | 11:25 |
| lool | Keybuk: Oh you're safe! | 11:32 |
| lool | 12:19 < Saviq> lool: it's only usable when you don't have any other windows on the viewport you want elisa to run | 11:32 |
| lool | Keybuk: Just don't run anything else! :-P | 11:32 |
| Keybuk | seb128: every few minutes | 11:42 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: still no crash? | 11:43 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: do you want to upload the patched version or should I do it? | 11:43 |
| Keybuk | seb128: be my guest | 11:43 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:43 |
| dholbach | kwwii: I just sent you a script that will file sponsoring bugs for you | 11:47 |
| dholbach | kwwii: please let me know how it works out for you | 11:48 |
| pitti | asac: promoted, right in time for the next publisher | 11:57 |
| asac | pitti: rock | 12:00 |
| asac | seb128: i read that you still have avahi crashes for ephy? | 12:09 |
| seb128 | asac: I'm going to uploaded a patched version | 12:09 |
| seb128 | asac: that's http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516008 | 12:09 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 516008 in Bookmarks "crash in Epiphany Web Browser: Seems to be avahi bookma..." [Critical,New] | 12:10 |
| * asac looking | 12:10 | |
| asac | good | 12:11 |
| pochu | yo | 12:47 |
| kwwii | dholbach: killer, thanks | 12:53 |
| kwwii | erm dholbach, just trying this out...should I follow the instructions in the sript (somewhere towards the middle)? | 12:58 |
| dholbach | kwwii: no..... just commit your stuff, then call please-upload-branch http://bazaar..... | 12:59 |
| dholbach | it will file a sponsoring bug for you | 12:59 |
| dholbach | with those instructions in the bug description, so sponsors who don't know bzr and bzr-builddeb well will get instructions how to do it | 13:00 |
| kwwii | hrm, I ran it (did a please-upload-branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu ) and it took forever and made a screenshot on my desktop, etc | 13:01 |
| dholbach | huuuhh? | 13:01 |
| dholbach | no error message nothing? | 13:01 |
| dholbach | a screenshot? | 13:01 |
| kwwii | I tried to stop it after a while (and it did not want to stop) | 13:02 |
| kwwii | let me try it again | 13:02 |
| huats | hello pochu | 13:03 |
| dholbach | kwwii: I'll look into it later again - out for a dogwalk now | 13:04 |
| kwwii | okidoki | 13:04 |
| kwwii | lol, that wierd output is what you get if you "source" it | 13:11 |
| pochu | hi huats | 13:27 |
| === belou_ is now known as belou | ||
| kwwii | dholbach: when you come back, here is the error message: | 13:36 |
| kwwii | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59476/ | 13:37 |
| kwwii | in the meantime, if anyone can sponsor the last wallpaper change, I'd be happy :-) | 13:38 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.24.dsc | 13:38 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.24_source.build | 13:38 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.24_source.changes | 13:38 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-wallpapers_0.24.tar.gz | 13:38 |
| kwwii | pitti: there is an extra wallpaper in there with a file size of 465.3KB. I was asked/told to include it and so I shall :-) | 13:41 |
| pitti | kwwii: slangasek will kill you :) | 13:49 |
| kwwii | pitti: he can start by killing Jane | 13:55 |
| dholbach | kwwii: it seems your cookie file is not alright | 14:02 |
| dholbach | pitti: what is the current agreed procedure for setting up the cookie file? | 14:03 |
| pitti | dholbach: for what? | 14:03 |
| dholbach | pylpbugs | 14:04 |
| dholbach | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59476/ looks like kwwii's cookie file is wrong | 14:04 |
| pitti | dholbach: right | 14:05 |
| pitti | dholbach: if plpbugs now gets along with the ffox 3 cookies.db, then we should probably extend the heuristics to check for ~/.mozilla/*/*/cookies.sqlite first? and then fall back to s/sqlite/txt/? | 14:06 |
| dholbach | pitti: asking thekorn that on #ubuntu-devel | 14:07 |
| seb128 | pochu: around? | 14:10 |
| Keybuk | yup | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | that epiphany patch is definietly a good one | 14:20 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: I told that to chpe who commited to svn, and the patched package has been uploaded to hardy too | 14:20 |
| lool | Keybuk: Which elisa version did you try out? 0.3.4? | 14:24 |
| lool | Keybuk: Upstream is puzzled as they have removed the compiz check in 0.3.4 | 14:24 |
| lool | Keybuk: Or perhaps you can hop by in #elisa and we can sort that out? | 14:24 |
| Keybuk | Version: 0.3.4-2 | 14:26 |
| lool | Thanks | 14:26 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: gvfs and gnome-vfs is an issue of not having the world ported to gvfs yet, not easy to fix | 14:28 |
| seb128 | wrong chan | 14:28 |
| lool | Keybuk: 15:31 < philn> lool: does he get a "Compiz detected, trying to hide all other windows." warning if he launches elisa from the terminal? | 14:32 |
| lool | Keybuk: Can I throw philn at you in /query to look into this? Or should he join here? | 14:32 |
| Keybuk | lool: I don't really have much chance to debug it today | 14:34 |
| Keybuk | Thursday is meeting hell :) | 14:34 |
| lool | Keybuk: Here too :) | 14:34 |
| lool | But now I have Monday as meeting hell as well | 14:34 |
| lool | Keybuk: Ok; let's discuss it at another time then, thanks | 14:34 |
| lool | Keybuk: Ok, I told upstream we should look at this another day; upstream insists that you have local older plugins, perhaps in ~/.elisa/plugins and suggested you wipe them; upstream can then take some needed holidays with a more peaceful mind :) | 14:41 |
| * lool & | 14:41 | |
| seb128 | who was speaking about iso icons some time ago? | 14:47 |
| seb128 | andreasn: was that you or lapo? | 14:47 |
| andreasn | lapo I thinl | 14:47 |
| andreasn | think | 14:47 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 14:47 |
| Keybuk | lool: ah, that did stop it hiding my windows | 14:50 |
| lool | seb128: I didn't see any complaints from pango1.0 | 14:50 |
| lool | Keybuk: Cool | 14:51 |
| lool | seb128: Did you? | 14:51 |
| Keybuk | and I got a fullscreen elisa now | 14:51 |
| lool | Keybuk: But still black screen I guess | 14:51 |
| Keybuk | whihc did seem to work | 14:51 |
| lool | Oh cool | 14:51 |
| lool | Keybuk: Nice nice | 14:51 |
| seb128 | lool: no | 14:52 |
| lool | seb128: Excellent | 14:52 |
| seb128 | that's good ;-) | 14:52 |
| === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach | ||
| mvo | seb128: is 30s good enough for the startup delay? | 15:07 |
| seb128 | mvo: make it 60 seconds rather | 15:07 |
| seb128 | people with slow disk like pitti or Keybuk have around one minute of login time | 15:07 |
| mvo | ok | 15:08 |
| pochu | seb128: yeah, I'm now | 15:08 |
| seb128 | pochu: still no machine to do updates? | 15:09 |
| seb128 | pochu: but maybe you want to writte some mir requests? ;-) | 15:09 |
| pitti | yeah, I used 60 s for jockey, too | 15:09 |
| pitti | seb128: StartupDelay> does that already exist? | 15:09 |
| pochu | seb128: heh, I guess ephy is enough for that ;) | 15:09 |
| pochu | seb128: which ones do we need? | 15:09 |
| pitti | seb128: it would save me from starting python immediately just to sleep 60 seconds | 15:10 |
| seb128 | pitti: where? | 15:10 |
| pitti | seb128: in .desktop autostart files | 15:10 |
| pitti | you mentioned it in the meeting | 15:10 |
| seb128 | pochu: python-gdata for the youtube totem plugin, and maybe some python-louie or similar to do upnp too | 15:10 |
| seb128 | pitti: no, I mentionned that was need to patch gnome-session to support something similar | 15:11 |
| pochu | oh, the youtube plugin is so cool! I'll surely do that ;) | 15:11 |
| pochu | seb128: ok, I'll have a look at them this evening and let you know | 15:11 |
| seb128 | pochu: thanks | 15:11 |
| lool | seb128: BTW do we want the new coherence for the RB upnp plugin? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | pochu: bah, somebody already did apparently | 15:12 |
| seb128 | pochu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPythonGdata | 15:12 |
| lool | seb128: https://coherence.beebits.net/wiki/RhythmBox | 15:12 |
| seb128 | lool: I don't know a lot about that but having whatever is required to get the plugin working correctly would be nice ;-) | 15:13 |
| pochu | seb128: that was me, I'm the fastest! :P | 15:13 |
| lool | seb128: Then please sync coherence from unstable :) | 15:13 |
| lool | After the freeze perhaps | 15:13 |
| seb128 | pochu: did you do the required change? | 15:13 |
| lool | And we need to promote it if we want it by defualt | 15:13 |
| seb128 | lool: before the freeze rather | 15:13 |
| lool | Oh we're not in freeze yet? | 15:13 |
| seb128 | pochu: maybe another mir ^ | 15:14 |
| seb128 | lool: I got no uploaded blocked yet | 15:14 |
| * lool goes doing uploads | 15:14 | |
| mvo | bzr commit -m '* src/update-notifier.c: | 15:14 |
| mvo | - delay statup checks for updates etc for 60s to avoid | 15:14 |
| mvo | slowing down the desktop startup (for Seb128)' | 15:14 |
| seb128 | lool: I guess steve is still sleeping ;-) | 15:14 |
| seb128 | mvo: danke! | 15:14 |
| * seb128 hugs mvo | 15:14 | |
| lool | seb128: haha | 15:14 |
| lool | seb128: He'll kill us when he awakes! | 15:14 |
| pochu | lool: what's coherence? | 15:15 |
| lool | pochu: It's a python upnp framework | 15:15 |
| lool | It can help you access mediarenderers and implement media controllers | 15:15 |
| pochu | seb128: no I haven't done it, but it's as trivial as Depends on "python (>= 2.5) | python-elementtree" | 15:15 |
| seb128 | pochu: will do the change now | 15:15 |
| lool | For example you can play music from RB on your PS3 | 15:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: out of that, was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportPythonGdata ok with you? | 15:16 |
| lool | Or make RB remotely play music as driven by the media player in N810 | 15:16 |
| pochu | lool: I don't have a PS3 :( | 15:16 |
| pochu | lool: would you send me one, I'd be happy to test it and file a MIR :P | 15:16 |
| lool | pochu: upnp is a standard, it's like apple's daap, but it's more open | 15:16 |
| lool | pochu: Sure; hold on let me see if I have one | 15:16 |
| pochu | :) | 15:16 |
| lool | pochu: Ah, turns out I don't have any PS3 yet | 15:16 |
| * lool is soon buying one to act as a bluray player | 15:16 | |
| pochu | let's ask jono, I read on his blog he bought one ;) | 15:17 |
| pitti | seb128: still needs to be fixed | 15:17 |
| pitti | seb128: right, I saw it above; let me look at the package for other things | 15:17 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, looks alright; I'd appreciate if someone clueful could test it and verify that the communication with the google service DTRT | 15:19 |
| seb128 | pitti: what do you call right thing? | 15:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: that it works is enough? or rather that it do it in a good citizen way? | 15:20 |
| pitti | seb128: it apparently talks to some google server? | 15:20 |
| pitti | seb128: the MIR does not explain at all what exactly it is doing | 15:21 |
| seb128 | The Google data Python Client Library provides a library and source | 15:21 |
| seb128 | code that make it easy to access data through Google data APIs. | 15:21 |
| seb128 | pitti: ^ | 15:21 |
| seb128 | pitti: it uses a google public api to access their services apparently | 15:22 |
| pitti | well, that's still blurry :) | 15:25 |
| pitti | 'search music in some shops and buy it' or 'display information about artists' or something such would make the purpose clear, and would allow us to test it | 15:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: not sure, totem uses it to search videos matching a name on youtube | 15:28 |
| seb128 | pitti: anyway I did the python-gdata change | 15:28 |
| seb128 | that's not a priority for beta, I'll have a look later when I've free slot | 15:28 |
| mvo | seb128: what do we currently do in glib/gtk on Gdk-CRITICAL messages? | 16:10 |
| seb128 | mvo: nothing | 16:11 |
| seb128 | mvo: why? | 16:11 |
| Amaranth | you get a nice messages in .xsession-errors that everyone ignores :P | 16:12 |
| mvo | seb128: I got some crashed-with-signal 5 bugreports that seems to be triggered by it | 16:12 |
| seb128 | mvo: are those new? | 16:13 |
| Amaranth | there is an env variable to turn them into crashes | 16:13 |
| seb128 | mvo: we had gnome-session setting G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals for a day some weeks ago | 16:13 |
| mvo | seb128: aha, that would explain it | 16:14 |
| seb128 | mvo: upstream does that during unstable cycle to catch those bugs, otherwise nobody care | 16:14 |
| seb128 | usually we disable it | 16:14 |
| seb128 | and I forgot when doing the first 2.21 upload for this one | 16:14 |
| seb128 | that has been quickly reverted because quite some applications were crashing | 16:14 |
| mvo | yeah, I just found one in update-notifier and fixed it | 16:18 |
| Amaranth | hrm, i wish there was some way to tell if you had an r200 or an r300 without going through pciids | 16:26 |
| Amaranth | i'm going to end up with just as many cards to whitelist as i would to blacklist for ati laptops | 16:27 |
| Amaranth | but people won't tell me their stuff is broken, they'll only tell if it was working (and demand i make it work again) | 16:27 |
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| asac | seb128: i sometimes get crashes in ephy file save | 17:24 |
| asac | just try multiple times | 17:24 |
| asac | (for the log. this happens for me even before the xul update i just did ... ) | 17:24 |
| seb128 | asac: is your hardy uptodate? | 17:24 |
| asac | appears to be a gio issue | 17:24 |
| asac | seb128: how up to date? | 17:24 |
| asac | i updated glib manually | 17:24 |
| asac | whatelse? | 17:24 |
| seb128 | what libgnomeui-0 version do you have? | 17:24 |
| seb128 | the gio fileselector is in libgnomeui | 17:25 |
| seb128 | and quite some issues have been fixed there | 17:25 |
| asac | not updated yet ... still 2.21 | 17:25 |
| asac | 92-0ubnutu1 | 17:25 |
| asac | ok ... i will upgrade everything | 17:25 |
| seb128 | you want to update this one | 17:25 |
| seb128 | let me know if that still happens using 2.22 | 17:25 |
| seb128 | several crashers have been fixed in since .92 | 17:25 |
| asac | yes ... upgrading just libgnomeui* now | 17:25 |
| johanbr | Amaranth: As far as I know, only the Xpress chips are broken with the radeon/ati driver (not counting the newer cards). | 17:26 |
| asac | ok ... couldn't trigger it easily | 17:26 |
| asac | i will keep my eyes open | 17:27 |
| seb128 | asac: ok | 17:27 |
| Amaranth | johanbr: all the X series ones are broken | 17:27 |
| Amaranth | X300 Mobility, X600 Mobility, etc | 17:27 |
| Amaranth | basically anything newer than the 9000 Mobility | 17:27 |
| Amaranth | johanbr: the problem here seem to be that basically if fglrx supports it the ati driver is broken with it | 17:28 |
| asac | ok all looks fine here | 17:28 |
| asac | thanks | 17:28 |
| Amaranth | if fglrx doesn't support it the ati driver probably works with it but we've just blocked it | 17:28 |
| * asac upgrades its complete system and takes a break | 17:28 | |
| Amaranth | how do you separate them without a massive list of pciids on either side | 17:29 |
| johanbr | Amaranth: Not easily doable I think. | 17:29 |
| Amaranth | Right | 17:29 |
| Amaranth | And I'd rather have you get blocked when it should work than not get blocked and have it lock your system up | 17:30 |
| Amaranth | Or make the LiveCD unusable because X restarts when compiz starts | 17:30 |
| johanbr | Are you sure the X300 Mobility is broken? Before, I'd only heard reports of problems with PCI id's starting with 595. | 17:32 |
| Amaranth | Pretty sure I've seen a report with an X300 | 17:33 |
| Amaranth | say, the r300 cards all have fragment shaders, right? | 17:33 |
| Amaranth | and the r200 only has fragment programs | 17:33 |
| johanbr | The Xpress 200 I think is basically an r300 without shaders. | 17:34 |
| johanbr | Report of working X300: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=630457 | 17:34 |
| Amaranth | right, and some people have X600 Mobility chips that work just fine too | 17:36 |
| Amaranth | that doesn't say much | 17:36 |
| pochu | will anyone send minutes from the DesktopTeam meeting to the list? :) | 17:49 |
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| pitti | kwwii: doing wallpapers now | 18:57 |
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| ember | seb128 can you confirm that seahorse doesn't have keyserver.ubuntu as default? | 21:11 |
| seb128 | ember: the config changes might only apply to new user | 21:13 |
| seb128 | I'll try when doing CD testing | 21:14 |
| ember | well in here i can confirm | 21:15 |
| ember | i've refreshed the patch and installed a new rev and works | 21:15 |
| ember | http://pfragoso.org/ubuntu/seahorse_2.22.0-0ubuntu2.debdiff | 21:15 |
| ember | dinner, brb | 21:15 |
| seb128 | pochu: ah, you have a working computer again? ;-) | 23:33 |
| ember | guess pidgin and liferea won't get into hardy | 23:43 |
| pochu | seb128: no, but I'm crazy o.O | 23:59 |
| pochu | seb128: I've built pygtk in a 400mhz computer with 256mb of ram ;) | 23:59 |
| pochu | I had to close ephy and mail :/ | 23:59 |
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