[07:25] <emgent> @schedule rome
[07:25] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 14 Mar 21:00: MOTU | 14 Mar 22:00: REVU Coordination | 19 Mar 22:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 22:00: Server Team
[10:59] <spaww> hi all
[10:59] <spaww> anybody have a comparation for SERVERS with red hat and ubuntu ?
[11:00] <spaww> i need to justify the utilization of ubuntu on my servers
[11:01] <spaww> no one ?
[11:01] <Keybuk> spaww: this channel is only used for meetings
[11:02] <Keybuk> spaww: try #ubuntu
[11:05] <spaww> ok tkz
[13:49] <pitti> hi
[13:50] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[13:50] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 15 Mar 07:00: MOTU | 15 Mar 08:00: REVU Coordination | 20 Mar 08:00: Server Team | 27 Mar 08:00: Server Team
[13:50] <Hobbsee> ouch
[13:53] <zul> @schedule montreal
[13:53] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 14 Mar 16:00: MOTU | 14 Mar 17:00: REVU Coordination | 19 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 17:00: Server Team
[13:53] <zul> thaaats better
[13:57]  * mvo waves
[13:57] <pedro_> hello hello!
[13:58] <Keybuk> fridge has forgotten our meeting again
[14:01] <seele> no Desktop meeting?  or did I get the time wrong?
[14:02] <pitti> seele: should happen right now
[14:02] <Keybuk> indeed
[14:03] <Keybuk> we're just waiting for the boss
[14:03] <Keybuk> oh, wait, that's me
[14:03] <mvo> the boss-boss ?
[14:03] <mvo> aha
[14:03] <Keybuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-03-13
[14:04] <Keybuk> I didn't see any agenda items in the reports today
[14:04] <Keybuk> did I miss any?
[14:04] <kwwii> btw, I am here but I might be away shortly if my son starts puking again
[14:05] <tedg> This is precisely the reason video chat should never catch on....
[14:05] <kwwii> ;-)
[14:05] <Keybuk> nothing added to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReportingPage this week either
[14:05] <Keybuk> (hint) :p
[14:06] <seele> if there are no agenda items can i ask a question about the Desktop Experiences Templates?
[14:06] <pitti> *shrug* didn't find anything interesting to add
[14:07] <Keybuk> seele: of course, what is your question?
[14:07] <seele> What exactly are the goals of those pages?  i.e. what kind of content goes in to them?
[14:07] <seele> when i figure heard of them, i thought it would be a collection of user research information
[14:07] <seele> but they just look like use cases (not use scenarios which are tied to user research information)
[14:08] <seele> *should* they contain more user research, or did i misunderstand their purpose?
[14:08] <Keybuk> seele: a bit of everything at the moment; we're still working out what to put in them
[14:08] <Keybuk> the person you want to talk to is mpt, he'll be owning those in a few months
[14:08] <seele> ok
[14:08] <seele> documenting user research is very important, and that would be the place to put it
[14:08] <Keybuk> indeed
[14:08] <Keybuk> feel free to start work on them if it interests you :)
[14:09] <Keybuk> any contribution is valuable
[14:09] <seele> to document user groups and profiles for each of the experiences would help all related applications to those experiences
[14:09] <seele> ok, i just didnt want to start editing pages that dont belong to me
[14:09] <Keybuk> they're on the wiki precisely so anyone can edit them :-)
[14:09] <Keybuk> ok
[14:10] <Keybuk> pitti: thanks for chairing the meeting and giving out the report last week
[14:10] <pitti> you're welcome
[14:10] <pitti> btw, does http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html ever get updated automatically?
[14:10] <pitti> it looks pretty much the same like last week
[14:10] <tedg> seele: Also look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Experiences/Current
[14:10] <Keybuk> and thanks for the extensive review of that URL
[14:10] <pitti> and e. g. I untagged 131976 last week
[14:10] <Keybuk> pedro_: do you know the answer to Martin's question?
[14:11] <seele> tedg: yes, i've read the ones that exist for hardy
[14:11] <Keybuk> they were certainly touched today
[14:11] <kwwii> pitti: you went through that many bugs?
[14:11] <pitti> it's not that many
[14:11] <pedro_> pitti: AFAIK it's, will talk with ogasawara about that
[14:12] <tedg> That's actually an interesting question, the out-of-diskspace thing, does the fact that it works on reboot close the bug?
[14:12] <Keybuk> mvo: there's a few on that list that seem to be yours
[14:12] <pitti> tedg: I'd say yes; thanks for testing
[14:12] <tedg> It would be nicer if GDM handled it, but I'd say at some level it's fixed.
[14:12] <mvo> Keybuk: yeah, I attacked some already, but there are still quite a few left
[14:12] <seb128> doh
[14:12] <mvo> Keybuk: espceially the compiz one with the screensaver is difficult, I was never able to reproduce it
[14:12] <Keybuk> mvo: I mean that aren't assigned to you
[14:12] <pitti> tedg: so the 1 MB /tmp tmpfs helped? it's not necessary to have free space on ~?
[14:12] <seb128> nobody pinged me?
[14:13] <mvo> Keybuk: oh, sorry
[14:13] <Keybuk> seb128: how odd, I thought you were here :)
[14:13] <seb128> sorry for being late I was working and not looking at the clock
[14:13] <kwwii> seb128: must not be important enough ;-)
[14:13] <Keybuk> mvo: just two, actually
[14:13] <seb128> mvo: speaking about what?
[14:13] <Keybuk> if we can't replicate the bugs, they should be marked Incomplete and de-tagged
[14:13] <tedg> pitti: No, it wasn't.  I was surprised also, I was expecting to have to do a minimal terminal login.
[14:13]  * mvo nods
[14:13] <Keybuk> especially if nobody in this team can replicate them
[14:15] <Keybuk> pitti & tedg: thanks for your work on gnome power manager so far
[14:15] <mvo> Keybuk: I think I didn't assign myself to all compiz bugs as I had kind of hoped that macslow would be able to help here
[14:15] <Keybuk> today is a *real* improvement for me
[14:15] <Keybuk> mvo: sometimes they just need a quick review, and unassign/untag
[14:15] <seb128> Keybuk: we got a new gpm uploaded?
[14:15] <mvo> ok, I will do that today
[14:15] <tedg> kwwii: I didn't follow up, are you cool with the screensaver stuff?
[14:16] <Keybuk> seb128: I'm using the one out of ted's archive I think
[14:16] <seb128> ah ok
[14:16] <Keybuk> (which will obviously need sponsoring)
[14:16] <Keybuk> and a UVF exception, I guess
[14:16] <seb128> I've that on my todo since the backlight changes on ac are one of the thing really annoying on hardy
[14:16]  * Keybuk tries to work out whether GNOME Power Manager comes under the GNOME UVF exception :p
[14:17] <seb128> well, I'm not sure we want to change to this event based logic now and without upstream agreeing
[14:17] <seb128> but that's really a meeting thing
[14:17] <seb128> tedg: I need to speak to you about that ;-)
[14:17] <Keybuk> ah, no, I'm actually using current hardy
[14:17] <tedg> seb128: Richard has commented on the list, and he seems relatively happy with it.
[14:17] <Keybuk> I was using ted's on the other laptop
[14:17] <seb128> tedg: ah ok, I'm not on the list
[14:17] <tedg> seb128: One change to get rid of the 5% buffer I put in.
[14:17] <Keybuk> so both seem good to me
[14:18] <kwwii> tedg: I haven't taken care of it yet, as I wanted to get the normal artwork in on time :-)
[14:18] <seb128> I try to get a reply from him on the bugzilla bug for some weeks
[14:18] <kwwii> tedg: I'll look into it and see what I can screw up on my own before annoying you with questions
[14:18] <tedg> seb128: It seems you can get one reply if you post a message to the mailing list ;)
[14:18] <seb128> maybe with some luck Keybuk will fix the udev dell bug too before beta *g* ;-)
[14:18] <Keybuk> there's a dell bug?
[14:19] <seb128> not dell, iwl3945
[14:19] <Keybuk> yeah, it will be
[14:19] <Keybuk> there's several degress of hackery to fix it
[14:19] <seb128> the 30 seconds delay on boot thing
[14:19] <Keybuk> sadly some of them break other devices
[14:20] <Keybuk> ok, any other business today?
[14:21] <seb128> Keybuk: do we know who is going to fosscamp? I still didn't book
[14:21] <Keybuk> anyone who would like to go, can go
[14:21] <seb128> I mean from upstream
[14:22] <Keybuk> err, let me check
[14:22] <Keybuk> UDSIntrepid/Sponsorships on s3cr3t wiki
[14:23] <Keybuk> should have Accepted next to them if they've replied
[14:23] <seele> you know.. the date of FOSSCamp isnt on the website
[14:23] <seb128> ok, will look to that and book quickly, I don't want to get claire unhappy ;-)
[14:23] <Keybuk> seele: yes it is ...
[14:23] <Keybuk> http://www.fosscamp.org/
[14:23] <Keybuk> Fri 16th / Sat 17th May 2008 - Corinthia Towers Hotel, Prague, Czech Republic
[14:24] <seele> oh the home page
[14:24] <pitti> seb128: anything we need/should discuss wrt. session startup speed?
[14:24] <seb128> pitti: FIXIT
[14:24] <seb128> pitti: I've talked to vuntz about it
[14:24]  * seele was looking at the other three pages
[14:24] <Keybuk> mdz spotted one
[14:25] <ogra_cmpc> throw out all applets and autostart progs
[14:25] <Keybuk> we start both gvfsd and gnome-vfs-daemon
[14:25] <seb128> the best we can do probably right now is to add a StartupDelay= to the autostart desktop
[14:25] <seb128> make gnome-session understand and apply the delay
[14:25] <seb128> remove deskbar
[14:25] <seb128> and disable tracker
[14:25] <Keybuk> what about the gnome-systems-tool evil?
[14:25] <seb128> mvo: how is nautilus-share going? ;-)
[14:25] <ogra_cmpc> couldnt the printer applet be started by hal ?
[14:26] <mvo> seb128: its fine, uploaded and ready - ftbfs because of glibc madness though
[14:26] <seb128> Keybuk: I don't get the issue there and garnacho (upstream) has no real idea of what is going on there
[14:26] <mvo> seb128: I will make the update-notifier change to run apt-check later today
[14:26] <seb128> need debugging by somebody getting the slowness
[14:26] <seb128> mvo: good
[14:26] <Keybuk> ok, I'll see what's happening there
[14:26] <seb128> anybody has an opinion about deskbar?
[14:26] <seb128> I think we should remove it
[14:26]  * Keybuk removed deskbar from his session quite a while ago
[14:26] <seb128> we will stop tracker by TB decision
[14:26] <kwwii> remove it
[14:27] <ogra_cmpc> ++
[14:27] <seb128> it doesn't understand firefox3 bookmarks
[14:27] <seb128> and I think it' taking login speed for no real win without those
[14:28] <pitti> seb128: deskbar seems to be quite broken ATM to me
[14:28] <seb128> Keybuk: gvfs and gnome-vfs is an issue of not having the world ported to gvfs yet, not easy to fix
[14:28] <pitti> I'd rather fix it, since it's cute, but people can still enable it if they want to
[14:28] <seb128> pitti: ok, let's remove it from the default profiles and fix the issues
[14:33] <Keybuk> ok, we seem to have reached a conclusion
[14:33] <Keybuk> thanks everyone
[14:34] <pitti> thanks all
[14:34] <seb128> thanks
[22:09] <ubuntu-geek> afternoon matthew
[22:09] <forumsmatthew> hey u-g
[22:09] <LaRoza> Hello everyone
[22:09] <ubuntu-geek> hey laroza
[22:09] <forumsmatthew> hi there
[22:09] <LaRoza> Hello, it is my first time, so be gentle :)
[22:09] <forumsmatthew> always
[22:10] <forumsmatthew> you aren't richbarna, are you? lol
[22:10] <ubuntu-geek> lol
[22:10] <LaRoza> How did you know? I lied, I accepted and reported myself :)
[22:11] <forumsmatthew> I think Mike is sick
[22:11] <forumsmatthew> is jdong available
[22:11] <ubuntu-geek> cool lets do this
[22:11] <forumsmatthew> all set
[22:12] <forumsmatthew> I'm pinging jdong to see if he is around
[22:12] <forumsmatthew> no response
[22:13] <LaRoza> Hope he's alright
[22:13] <forumsmatthew> he's probably just busy
[22:13] <forumsmatthew> MIT and all that
[22:13] <forumsmatthew> I bet he's doing something fun like building a flying robot for class
[22:13] <forumsmatthew> with laser eyes
[22:13] <ubuntu-geek> Cool well our agenda is pretty light
[22:13] <forumsmatthew> yeah
[22:14] <forumsmatthew> two forum requests is all I see
[22:14] <forumsmatthew> are
[22:14] <LaRoza> Speaking of which...
[22:14] <forumsmatthew> give it to us, girl!
[22:14] <LaRoza> I would like to have a Web Development Forum setup in the Development and Programming section
[22:14] <forumsmatthew> proposal
[22:14] <LaRoza> For those who think it isn't related to Ubuntu see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=723598
[22:15] <ubuntu-geek> We've discussed that in the past and declined it. But its worth reconsidering.
[22:15] <LaRoza> For server issues, or programming issues there are forums, but Web Development is more.
[22:15] <LaRoza> Even me, I use Windows for web development and that is my only use of Windows, so it is specific to the OS.
[22:16] <LaRoza> Some think it is art, server, programming, or other material. It would make sense to have a place for web related content. It is programming, art, and design, but there is a unique mix of elements
[22:16] <LaRoza> That make the OS being used important.
[22:17] <LaRoza> Development & Programming has several forums, one for generic Programming, so the specific field of web development would not be out of place, especially since there are many Ubuntu related issues and questions to be asked
[22:18]  * LaRoza looks for something
[22:18] <forumsmatthew> my only hesitation, and it isn't a big one, is the sheer number of forums we have, but as a subforum of Development & Programming, I might go for it
[22:18] <LaRoza> Here is a part of the community opinion: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585863
[22:19] <forumsmatthew> I can see the specific use case, and it would likely get more use than some of our current forums
[22:19] <LaRoza> The Art and Design, Programming Talk, Cafe, General Help, and random other forums get posts that would be perfect for a Web Development forum
[22:19] <LaRoza> So many begin with "I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but..."
[22:20] <ubuntu-geek> Catching up reading..
[22:20] <LaRoza> Plus, I am a web developer and only happen to see such threads by accident. It is difficult for me to help with my favourite aspect of computer
[22:20] <forumsmatthew> I hate it when work interferes with my online life
[22:20] <forumsmatthew> :)
[22:21] <ubuntu-geek> my msg's arent working atm
[22:21] <LaRoza> ubuntu-geek: The above poll has a joined thread, that wasn't there before. So there is a gap in time and content
[22:21] <ubuntu-geek> i need to register with the nickserv :) weee
[22:21] <forumsmatthew> gotcha, u-g
[22:21] <LaRoza> maybe ug is nickbarna?
[22:21] <LaRoza> richbarna*
[22:22] <ubuntu-geek> shhh
[22:22] <forumsmatthew> lol
[22:22] <ubuntu-geek> well i dont remember my password
[22:22] <forumsmatthew> Hey, look at me! I'm trolling myself!!!
[22:22] <forumsmatthew> I think it is *******
[22:22] <LaRoza> Happens to us all ubuntu-geek
[22:22] <LaRoza> No, that is mine
[22:22] <ubuntu-geek> anyways, matthew yes i think what you is fine
[22:23] <forumsmatthew> Okay, via msg
[22:23] <ubuntu-geek> Yep
[22:24] <forumsmatthew> done
[22:25] <ubuntu-geek> I've always kind of thought the Programming Talk forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=39 was a good general forum for any type of development talk. We could make it more clear. I think one we implement tags/prefixes our somewhat limited forums will blosum with new options.
[22:26] <LaRoza> I did offer the solution as renaming Programming Talk to "Programming and Web Development"
[22:29] <ubuntu-geek> matthew thoughts?  My first thought would be to keep the name the same but revamp the description.
[22:30] <LaRoza> I think that would be slightly confusing. As most web developers don't consider themselves programmers.
[22:30] <LaRoza> They seem to be either attracted to Art and Design, or Programming Talk.
[22:31] <LaRoza> But writing CSS is neither "art" or "programming".
[22:33] <LaRoza> He has been kidnapped!
[22:34] <ubuntugeek> :) ok i had my nick wrong..
[22:34] <ubuntugeek> Sorry about that
[22:35] <ubuntugeek> Matthew?
[22:35] <ubuntugeek> welcome back
[22:35] <LaRoza> Everyone is leaving...
[22:35] <forumsmatthew_> thanks, what happened?
[22:36] <Technoviking> sorry
[22:36] <Technoviking> just woke up
[22:36] <ubuntugeek> No worries mike we started about 20 mins ago
[22:36] <ubuntugeek> You should go back to bed :)
[22:36] <LaRoza> Technoviking is mike?
[22:36] <forumsmatthew_> are you feeling okay, Mike
[22:36] <Technoviking> better
[22:37] <ubuntugeek> Glad to hear it.
[22:37] <ubuntugeek> We are having connection issues
[22:37] <LaRoza> They are...
[22:37] <Technoviking> sorry I missed the meeting
[22:37] <LaRoza> you just missed the Web Development subforum proposal
[22:37] <forumsmatthew_> aaagh, I can't stay logged in tonight
[22:38] <forumsmatthew_> sorry if you didn't get my PMs LaRoza
[22:38] <LaRoza> Use Opera...
[22:38] <forumsmatthew_> now I can't send them from this nick
[22:38] <forumsmatthew_> local ISP probably
[22:38] <forumsmatthew_> anyone remember how to kill a zombie login?
[22:39] <LaRoza> I did it once, but forget how.
[22:39] <forumsmatthew_> yeah, me too. Where's pricey?
[22:40] <Technoviking> forumsmatthew: you have to shoot the zombie login in the brain
[22:40] <forumsmatthew_> braiiins!!
[22:40] <forumsmatthew_> It's 10:40 p.m. here...
[22:40] <LaRoza> 1840 here
[22:40] <forumsmatthew_> did we finalize the proposal for the web development thing?
[22:40] <Technoviking> +1 for me on a web development forum
[22:41] <LaRoza> Yes, make it now
[22:41] <ubuntugeek> OK so.. on the web development forum. My suggestion is we modify the programming description and leave the name. when we upgrade to 3.7 we can implement prefixes which will help define the area
[22:41] <LaRoza> Would changing the name be too difficult?
[22:41] <forumsmatthew_> I commented on that, but I don't think anyone saw it...so, again, I agree. With the new tagging feature in 3.7 this will be easier
[22:42] <LaRoza> What is the "tagging" feature?
[22:42] <forumsmatthew_> you can add "tags" to posts, telling people what the main idea is, then the tags are searchable as well as indexed
[22:42] <forumsmatthew_> it should make stuff a lot easier to find
[22:42] <ubuntugeek> CSS, php, asp, etc etc
[22:42] <LaRoza> Like a title...
[22:43] <forumsmatthew_> only better
[22:43] <ubuntugeek> kubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntu etc etc
[22:43] <LaRoza> Or is a predefined title/tag
[22:43] <forumsmatthew> finally, I'm me again
[22:43] <LaRoza> Prove it
[22:43] <Technoviking> sounds good to me ubuntugeek
[22:43] <LaRoza> About the tag thing, are they visible?
[22:44] <LaRoza> Like the [SOLVED] things?
[22:44] <ubuntugeek> Yes they are visable
[22:44] <ubuntugeek> They will be displayed by the thread topic someplace
[22:44] <forumsmatthew> I'll find the link for the vbulletin 3.7 new features for you to check out
[22:44] <LaRoza> Cool, that is a good feature
[22:45] <forumsmatthew> here it is, post #3 http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249460
[22:45] <ubuntugeek> Yep it'll help us merge and clean up some forums
[22:45] <ubuntugeek> and make it easier for users to find information
[22:45] <LaRoza> That is cool. Look forward to it
[22:45] <ubuntugeek> Good deal.
[22:45] <LaRoza> Are the tags predefined, or user set? Or both
[22:46] <ubuntugeek> predefined
[22:46] <ubuntugeek> We'll probably ask for input
[22:46] <LaRoza> Each forum would have their own?
[22:46] <LaRoza> Cut that out Matthew.
[22:47] <forumsmatthew> back again
[22:47] <ubuntugeek> Yes, some might not have them it depends
[22:47] <LaRoza> Cool
[22:47] <LaRoza> Can't wait.
[22:47] <ubuntugeek> Shall we discuss the second topic really quick? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=720483
[22:47] <forumsmatthew> yeah
[22:48] <ubuntugeek> I'm not really sure how this would fit in. It seems sorta general
[22:48] <LaRoza> I really don't think it is needed...IMO
[22:49] <forumsmatthew> I can see the benefit, but it is a small one, and I am against forum proliferation in general
[22:49] <LaRoza> Are there a lot of questions on the subject?
[22:49] <LaRoza> From what I followed, there isn't. (Not like Web Dev which has many such threads)
[22:50] <Technoviking> in 3.7 we could have a "Enterprise" tag
[22:50] <ubuntugeek> I haven't seen many.
[22:50] <forumsmatthew> no, but it could be argued that is because people don't know where to ask...although I would tend not to agree with that
[22:50] <LaRoza> No, they would ask
[22:50] <LaRoza> Just like those lost in Web Dev
[22:50] <forumsmatthew> enterprise tag: going where no tag has gone before
[22:50] <LaRoza> lol
[22:51] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to stick my neck out and say this was worth discussing, but I don't think it is something we need to do
[22:51] <ubuntugeek> Mike, thats a good idea I would be ok with that.
[22:51] <forumsmatthew> ubuntugeek, Mike, I agree
[22:52] <LaRoza> I don't, just to be difficult
[22:52] <forumsmatthew> +1 on enterprise tag, -1 on new forum
[22:52] <LaRoza> (actually, I do)
[22:52] <ubuntugeek> But I think having a forum at this point wouldn't be beneficial the topic is pretty broad and the questions asked there would probably fit in another category.
[22:52] <ubuntugeek> +1 on tag, -1 forum
[22:53] <Technoviking> +1 on tag, -1 for new forum
[22:53] <forumsmatthew> cool, we all agree
[22:53] <ubuntugeek> Great!
[22:54] <forumsmatthew> Pink forums and purple ponies for April first?
[22:54] <ubuntugeek> You know it
[22:54] <ubuntugeek> And maybe something extra too
[22:55] <forumsmatthew> unicorns!! Please!?
[22:55] <LaRoza> Cthulhu, please?
[22:55] <ubuntugeek> hah
[22:55] <Technoviking> Cthulhu unicorns
[22:55] <forumsmatthew> with fairy wings
[22:55] <ubuntugeek> Well guys I hate to wrap this up when the fun is just starting but my wife isnt feeling so well and needs me. Does anyone have anything else  to discuss?
[22:56] <LaRoza> None for me
[22:56] <forumsmatthew> I propose that ubuntugeek leave and take care of his wife
[22:56] <Technoviking> http://sunfox.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/ubuntu-hello-cthulhu.png
[22:56] <forumsmatthew> and I will go get some sleep
[22:56] <ubuntugeek> Talk to you all later..
[22:56] <LaRoza> I will go back on UF...
[22:56] <LaRoza> See you.
[22:56] <forumsmatthew> Technoviking, that is hysterical!
[22:56] <Technoviking> and I will chase the nyquil dragon
[22:56] <LaRoza> Did anyone actually succeed in seeing this whole room from start to finish besides me?
[22:57] <forumsmatthew> not here. could you give me a log?
[22:57] <Technoviking> nite
[22:57] <LaRoza> How?
[22:57] <LaRoza> Besides copying and pasting...
[22:58] <forumsmatthew> copy/paste in the staff forum or via pm, I'll clean it up for official posting
[22:59] <ubuntugeek> see you guys later
[22:59] <LaRoza> Done, except for this sentence.
[22:59] <LaRoza> See you
[22:59] <forumsmatthew> goodnight, all!
[22:59] <ubuntugeek> Mike feel better
[22:59] <forumsmatthew> and thank you!
[22:59] <forumsmatthew> ubuntugeek, +1
[22:59] <LaRoza> All of you get good clients and stay connected!