[07:54] <edistar> hi, can someone help me solve a problem (bug)? Alltough the users are logged off already some processes continue to run and eat all cpu time..
[08:20] <johnny> edistar, perhaps check out gnome-watch dog?
[08:46] <johnny> err gnome-watchdog
[09:02] <edistar> johnny: thx, it's watching right now :)
[09:04] <edistar> how do I set ssh encryption to none? just to test whether that is the bottleneck?
[09:07] <johnny> LDM_DIRECTX in lts.conf
[09:07] <johnny> that's a better test
[09:08] <edistar> what does that do?
[11:29] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: hey ogra. what do I need to install in the ltsp chroot for thin client manager to work? just the x11vnc package?
[11:29] <ogra_cmpc> yeas
[11:30] <ogra_cmpc> but i'd suggest italc :)
[11:30] <ogra_cmpc> tcm was just dropped from the default install
[11:30] <ogra_cmpc> 10 mins ago :)
[11:31] <highvoltage> hmm, strange. I did install x11vnc, but it still tells me to do so (even after rebuilding the thin client image and rebooting the client)
[11:32] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: cool, I can give that a try later on, but I need to make tcm work in this instance though
[11:32] <Nuba1> heh really, tcm not part of edubuntu anymore?
[11:32] <ogra_cmpc> its on the CD but not installed by default
[11:36] <Nubae> ah, makes sense if it doesnt work
[11:38] <ogra_cmpc> ??
[11:38] <ogra_cmpc> it always worked
[11:38] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: my volume control is disabled on the thin client machines, and it seems that there is no sound. the users are in the audio group, but it doesn't make any difference. anything that I should be looking at?
[11:39] <ogra_cmpc> is that gutsy or hardy ?
[11:39] <highvoltage> gutsy.
[11:39] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[11:39] <ogra_cmpc> than it should work (havent tested hardy since weeks)
[11:40] <Nubae> I meant the x11vnc part
[11:40] <ogra_cmpc> cdheck the .asouncof.asoundrc (or so) file of the user
[11:40] <highvoltage> ok, I'll come here again and investigate, at least school holidays is about to start so there's no rush.
[11:40] <highvoltage> will take a thin client with me and check whether this sound card is properly supported.
[11:40] <ogra_cmpc> Nubae, works fine here ... just requires manual setup since i didnt want evil x11vnc in main
[11:40] <Nubae> yeah school holidays indeed.. I've got 2 more classes
[11:41] <Nubae> for most people, that means it doesn't work ;-) [requiring manual setup]
[11:41] <ogra_cmpc> if i find the time i'll disable vnc in tcm altogether
[11:49] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: hmm, I think I should take a photo of this lab here, the kids just came in and are going crazy
[11:53] <Nubae> what do the -x and -z flags do in /usr/lib/ltsp/ltsp_config ?
[11:57] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[11:58] <ogra_cmpc> Nubae, man test
[12:00] <Nubae> just writing on the command line u mean?
[12:01] <laga> yes
[12:01] <laga> hitting 'return' afterwards is helpful, too
[12:01] <laga> Nubae: man man, too ;)
[12:03] <Nubae> yeah yeah, easier to get a smart remark sometimes than help
[12:04] <ogra_cmpc> ??
[12:04] <ogra_cmpc> that was help
[12:05] <ogra_cmpc> from both of us
[12:05] <ogra_cmpc> use man test to find out what the options mean
[12:06] <ogra_cmpc> use man man to find out how to use man if you dont know yet
[12:06]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt see smart remarks 
[12:12] <laga> do you want us to read the manual to you?
[12:20] <Nubae> there's a manual for ltsp?
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> the edubuntu handbook
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> installed by default, look in the help viewer
[12:21] <Nubae> that doesn't help me with scripting
[12:22] <Nubae> I get the point though, thankyou
[12:22]  * laga was talking about manuals in general ;)
[12:22]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt understand
[12:22] <ogra_cmpc> you want a manual how to write scripts ?
[12:23] <ogra_cmpc> laga, btw, all your changes were uploaded last night, sadly i missed the freeze by 20min so it sits in the rewiew queue
[12:26] <laga> ogra_cmpc: that's great news! thanks a lot
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> thats not great news ...
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> that means someone will look at it and probably find things he wants changed
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> if i had been 20min earlier we would have saved that hassle
[12:28] <laga> QA is good ;)
[12:28] <ogra_cmpc> the diff is quite huge, there were 5 bugs and a handfull of upstream changes
[12:28] <ogra_cmpc> and your plugin patch
[12:28] <laga> yes.. that diff is fun to read.
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> oh, btw, does your client package have a check for /etc/ltsp_chroot ?
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> so you cant install it by accident on a normal system ?
[12:30] <laga> ogra_cmpc: um.. not sure, but i was going to add something to MCC..
[12:30] <laga> ogra_cmpc: i dont think so, but i'll add it
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> look at the ltsp-client package
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> there is code for such a check
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> in the preinst iirc
[12:31] <laga> postinst wouldn't make a lot of sense ;)
[12:31] <ogra_cmpc> well, preinst isnt great either
[12:32] <ogra_cmpc> it breaks on out internal autobuild tests and needs blacklisting and extra paperwork
[12:32] <laga> *shrug* you know, people are not exactly forced to install it on their normal boxes :)
[12:32] <laga> oh
[12:32] <laga> ok, i can see that..
[12:32] <ogra_cmpc> but thats still better than having users that install ltsp-client on their systems
[12:32] <laga> yup
[12:32] <laga> we have a similar check in your trunk packages for MythTV (using debconf).. but those will _never_ go to main :)
[12:33] <ogra_cmpc> right
[12:44] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: Did you have time to test italc 1.0.7 before uploading ?
[12:47] <ogra_cmpc> no :)
[12:47] <ogra_cmpc> but we have four weeks for pressing bugs
[12:48] <ogra_cmpc> the client will be installed by default from tomorrows build on
[12:48] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: what about the "no tcp port opened by default" policy btw ?
[12:49] <ogra_cmpc> we're not ubuntu and that port is secured by ssl or did in misunderstand the design ?
[12:49] <ogra_cmpc> s/in/i
[12:52] <stgraber> oh, I didn't know it was only affecting Ubuntu and not its add-ons :) According to upstream, iTalc with the latest fixes should be secure. Previously it would have been possible to take control of any of the "client" while the teacher was running a demo but that's now fixed.
[12:52] <ogra_cmpc> good
[12:52] <ogra_cmpc> well, if that policy would apply to all derivatives then ltsp by default would never have been possible
[12:54] <stgraber> did you set iTalc as a depends or a recommends of edubuntu-desktop ?
[12:55] <ogra_cmpc> depends for now
[12:55] <ogra_cmpc> but only -client
[12:59] <stgraber> oh, quite a long time I haven't updated my edubuntu box : 460 packages upgraded, 49 newly installed, 10 to remove (= 472MB from archive)
[13:47] <henrik_> Hello! Anybody who can give me a clue about the following error message:
[13:47] <henrik_> ssh: /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254: Name or service not known
[13:47] <henrik_> when running:
[13:47] <henrik_> ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.4 server "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sdb1 add"
[13:47] <henrik_> ?
[13:47] <henrik_> (from the client..)
[13:50] <henrik_> I'm using edubuntu 7.10, and can't get local devices to mount on server
[13:52] <Nubae> heh, ogra, have to apologize for earlier, didn't realise that when u said 'man test' u meant it literally
[13:53] <Nubae> I thought u were saying 'man, just test it'
[13:53] <laga> hehehe :)
[13:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[13:53] <Nubae> heh, I guess irc can be confusing sometimes
[13:54] <Nubae> there's me getting irritated, and in fact it was truly helpful
[13:54] <Nubae> doh
[13:56] <RichEd> Nubae: now imagine if you were an aesthetically or facial hairily challenged female ... the kind that wear comfortable shoes and play hockey... then you would *really* have been offended !
[13:56] <Nubae> hehe
[13:56]  * Nubae feels silly
[13:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, should he have said `man [` instead? :)
[13:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> clear up the confusion :)
[13:58] <Nubae> would have been less ambiguous ;-)
[13:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[13:59] <laga> one would expect a linux user to know the "man" command ;)
[13:59] <Nubae> yeah I do, but not "man test"
[13:59] <Nubae> and to be honest wasn't thinking along the lines of it being a command
[14:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, theres also `help test` (for the bash builtin). `man test` and `man [` are the external command 'test'
[14:00] <Nubae> thought he was irritated because it was a stupid question and therefore said man test
[14:00] <Nubae> sigh
[14:00] <laga> man man. :)
[14:00] <Nubae> yeah that I got, but still didn't think about the man test
[14:01] <Nubae> in my defense, I was surrounded by 20 kids at the time
[14:01] <jonathan__> ogra: btw, the problems with the sound card I had was a problem with that specific sound chip, and I had to reload the driver with some options, so it wasn't an ltsp related problem at all.
[14:01] <Nubae> thank god school holidays have just begun
[14:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> the perfect moment to have to experiment ;) (not)
[14:03]  * Nubae will look a bit more closely at what is written next time
[14:04] <Nubae> funny thing is, I got home and thought, I'll just type in man test and see what comes up
[14:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[14:05] <ogra_cmpc__> henrik_, looks like you are not logged in
[14:05] <henrik_> ??
[14:06] <ogra_cmpc__> /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 is created during login by ldm
[14:06] <henrik_> Strange. I am logged in..
[14:07] <henrik_> It's not mounting on other user either.
[14:07] <ogra_cmpc__> did you break anything by adding stuff to lts.conf ?
[14:07] <ogra_cmpc__> any weird settings
[14:08] <henrik_> nope, just:
[14:08] <henrik_> [printer-usb]
[14:08] <henrik_>    MODULE_01          = usblp
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_0_TYPE     = U
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_0_DEVICE   = /dev/usb/lp0
[14:08] <henrik_> [printer-lp0]
[14:08] <henrik_> #   MODULE_01         = parportlp
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_0_TYPE     = P
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_0_DEVICE   = /dev/lp0
[14:08] <henrik_> [00:c0:4f:71:f6:8e] #ws035
[14:08] <henrik_>    LIKE               = printer-usb
[14:08] <henrik_> [00:c0:4f:71:f6:83] #ws036 -- printerserver
[14:08] <ogra_cmpc__> ugh
[14:08] <henrik_>    LIKE               = printer-usb
[14:08] <henrik_>    PRINTER_1_TYPE     = U
[14:08] <ogra_cmpc__> please use a pastebin !!
[14:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> glah :|
[14:08] <ogra_cmpc__> !paste
[14:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:08] <henrik_> okay. sorry..
[14:09] <Nubae> using non mac address settings never worked for me
[14:09] <Nubae> also, the file needs [default] at the beginning
[14:09] <Nubae> or wont work
[14:11] <Nubae> ogra_cmpc__: if you didnt see up top, I was apologizing, I misunderstood your instructions for a comment (ie. man go and test it) not do 'man test', sorry...
[14:11] <ogra_cmpc__> well, it wont break local devices though
[14:14] <ogra_cmpc__> heh
[14:14] <ogra_cmpc__> no need to apologize if i didnt express myself properly :)
[14:14]  * Nubae jumped to conclusions, my fault not yours
[14:16] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc__: I'm currently testing italc on i386 and VNC just rocks !!!
[14:16] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc__: the screen auto-resize thing is just amazing, no need to scroll anymore
[14:16] <ogra_cmpc__> yay
[14:17] <ogra_cmpc__> i'll test with my classmates this weekend
[14:17] <ogra_cmpc__> lets see if i can control the classroom :)
[14:17] <Nubae> which version of italc is that, hardy's?
[14:17] <stgraber> yes, 1.0.7
[14:18] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc__: I'll deploy it in a classroom at my father's school and see how well it goes, nothing's better than lambda users for testing :)
[14:22] <henrik_> No more clues on my problem?
[14:22] <henrik_> I'm stuck with this :-(
[14:23] <henrik_> Btw did the patch suggested in bugg 160420
[14:23] <ogra_cmpc__> henrik_, wich release is that ?
[14:23] <henrik_> 7.10
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> ok
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> which of the two patches did yu use
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> the one for delayed_mounter is not needed
[14:24] <henrik_> Ahh.
[14:24] <henrik_> I did both
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> all you need to do is delete the DISPLAY line in ltspfsmounter
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc__> nothing else
[14:25] <henrik_> Ok. I commented out that.
[14:25] <ogra_cmpc__> no ned to
[14:25] <ogra_cmpc__> its solved in hardy
[14:25] <ogra_cmpc__> i should probably close the bug :)
[14:25] <henrik_> :-)
[14:26] <henrik_> But hardy i not comming before next mont(?)
[14:26] <stgraber> henrik_: bugs are closed as soon as a fix is published in the devel release
[14:27] <stgraber> henrik_: and only kept open if it's candidate for a SRU (but that's a different kind of bug report)
[14:28] <ogra_cmpc__> well, i was planning to do a sru for gutsy, but currently i dont have the time to fiddle with ltspfs on old releases
[14:28] <henrik_> I understand.
[14:28] <ogra_cmpc__> the fix is trivial enough :)
[14:29] <henrik_> Yes, but I got an error message I didn't find any solution for with google.
[14:29] <henrik_> I find it strange
[14:29] <henrik_> It's a pretty clean install
[14:30] <ogra_cmpc__> RichEd, with zsync my download between the 20080312 and 20080313 image took about 10M
[14:31] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc__: neat ... i can affort that :)
[14:31] <ogra_cmpc__> ok
[14:31] <ogra_cmpc__> first you need to install zsync
[14:32] <ogra_cmpc__> then copy your existing image to be "classmate-daily.img" or so
[14:32] <ogra_cmpc__> then you just need the following command: zsync -o classmate-daily.img http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/classmate/images/hardy/hardy-classmate-20080313.img.zsync
[14:33] <ogra_cmpc__> (in one line)
[14:33] <ogra_cmpc__> and then just wait :)
[14:41] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, added instructions to tehreadme file in the images dir
[16:17] <ogra_cmpc> LaserJock, !
[16:18] <LaserJock> hi ogra_cmpc
[16:32] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: woah!!! somebody just uploaded squeak-vm to Debian NEW!
[16:32] <ogra_cmpc> oooooh
[16:32] <LaserJock> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/squeak-vm_3.9.12+svn1820.dfsg-1.html
[16:32] <ogra_cmpc> the package you used ?
[16:32] <LaserJock> no, never heard of the person
[16:33] <ogra_cmpc> do you think it'll get through ?
[16:34] <LaserJock> looks like they did quite some work
[16:35] <LaserJock> and it appears to be a DD that's doing it
[16:35] <ogra_cmpc> yes, i noticed
[16:35] <LaserJock> maybe I should grab that package and give it to pitti :-)
[16:35] <ogra_cmpc> Architecture: source amd64
[16:35] <ogra_cmpc> hrm
[16:36] <Nubae> if a program exists in rc2-4 that should be enough for it to have to start up right?
[16:36] <ogra_cmpc> whats that ?
[16:36] <Nubae> by program I mean script
[16:36]  * ogra_cmpc has never seen "source" as target arch
[16:37] <Nubae> doing update-rc.d cupsys defaults tells me it exists there already, but still don't get it to start up unless I do it via a RCFILE_NN= using lts.conf
[16:37] <ogra_cmpc> LaserJock, we should talk to him, yes, but that architecture line is strange ... and that doesnt give us images
[16:38] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: I think that's just the upload archs
[16:38] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[16:38] <LaserJock> so he uploaded source and an amd64 .deb
[16:38] <ogra_cmpc> right
[16:38] <LaserJock> and the images are no problem, we use my packages
[16:38] <LaserJock> pitti really only had a problem with the squeak-vm part
[16:39] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, i was looking at the wrong file
[16:39] <ogra_cmpc> Architecture: any
[16:39] <LaserJock> I gotta run but I'll look at it this afternoon
[16:39] <ogra_cmpc> there is the right entry
[16:39] <LaserJock> in the least I'll look at the package and grab what I can
[16:39] <LaserJock> I certainly wish somebody had said something to me :(
[16:39] <LaserJock> I feel like I wasted a lot of time
[16:40] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[16:40] <LaserJock> I emailed 3 people about the license issue and haven't really gotten anything back
[16:40] <LaserJock> I haven't heard anything from Matej Kosik in a few months
[19:15] <LaserJock> ogra: did pitti say anything about squeak?
[19:16] <ogra> no, he just noticed it
[19:16] <ogra> he was about to leave when i showed it to him
[19:17] <LaserJock> ok
[23:28] <gregbrady> Hi everyone....I'm using Ubuntu and was recommended to ask you guys how to do internet filtering to protect my son.
[23:36] <gregbrady> Ok, I guess not.....off to the next resource.
[23:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> gregbrady, a bit of patence will take you a long way
[23:37] <laga> well, my answer would be "don't let your son surf the internet alone if he's not old enough/if you can't trust him"
[23:37] <laga> but you were probably looking for a software solution
[23:38] <gregbrady> No worries, thanks.
[23:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use dansguardian for a software solution, but it can be rather complex to setup
[23:39] <laga> gregbrady: there are probably some websites dedicated to kids.. it's probably possible to set up your browser or a small proxy to only allow those sites. eg have a mnaula whitelist.
[23:39] <laga> err, manual*
[23:45] <gregbrady> Thanks!  I will check both ideas.
[23:46] <laga> there are some dedicated services like netnanny, but i don't know if they'll work with linux
[23:47] <laga> and something always gets through.. and if he's a geek, he'll figure out how to get around that real quick :)
[23:47] <gregbrady> laga, of that I'm sure, but I have to at least make an effort to block the easiest to get to sites.
[23:48] <gregbrady> like xmen
[23:48] <laga> do i want to google that?
[23:48] <gregbrady> no
[23:48] <gregbrady> or monster movie
[23:49] <gregbrady> innocent enough.....on the surface
[23:49] <laga> a 2003 movie?
[23:50] <gregbrady> not the one that I remember
[23:51] <laga> i'd be more concerned about neonazi propaganda or porn
[23:53] <gregbrady> exactly what he found....the monster movie site was not about actual monsters.....
[23:54] <laga> and x-men was not about comics either, huh?
[23:54] <gregbrady> um, no.
[23:54] <gregbrady> Kind of funny, but not really.....
[23:55] <laga> not if it's about your children, i understand
[23:56] <laga> although i've seen stuff on the 'net where i had been glad if i had used netnanny :)
[23:56] <gregbrady> very embarrassing and enraging at the same time