[01:49] hrm update didn't go very welll... must be a problem with my driver [01:49] for windows [02:01] wow. there are a lot of people in here [02:01] nixternal: go to #ubuntu-us [02:01] US Loco party! [02:02] parteeeey! [02:02] trying to figure out how to fix my kubuntu upgrade when i don't have access to a live cd :( [02:03] * DaskreecH does the bumpNgrind [02:03] jjesse: Single user boot? [02:05] ping nixternal [02:05] rebooting next to try that [02:05] * DaskreecH waves at jjesse [02:05] Nightrose: Nice pic === seele is now known as [MD]seele [02:07] [MD]seele: Medical Doctor? [02:07] <[MD]seele> Maryland === DaskreecH is now known as [OA]daskreecH [02:09] lol === coreymon is now known as coreymon77 [02:16] * [OA]daskreecH waits for [MD]seele to change === yuriy is now known as [MA]yuriy [02:17] <[OA]daskreecH> Oh not you too [02:20] Hm. Maybe if people would read instructions. [02:20] Never mind. [02:21] <[OA]daskreecH> mornfall: They do as long as they are not users. fun rule of thumb [02:21] (But it's annoying that people know so much about how one should do things, yet they almost never do anything themselves.) [02:22] (I was referring to Artimus who disappeared in the meantime, but got just to crashing adept (although instructions fairly clearly say to run update-apt-xapian-index... well, why...) === [OA]daskreecH is now known as daskreecH === [MD]seele is now known as seele [02:23] No matter, really. It was a great night and I should sleep instead of getting angry over silly things. [02:24] Goodnight. [02:24] Goodnight! [02:24] See you when Morn falls [02:36] nixternal: Ha ha You can speel [02:36] Jucato: How are you? [02:42] daskreecH: tired [02:44] Jucato: I'm with you brother === coreymon is now known as coreymon77 [03:34] Nothing like debugging code that needs root access to run (I may be close to teaching displayconfig to have at least minimal functionality if xorg.conf is missing). === nivek is now known as Scotty === Scotty is now known as nivek [04:18] More kde-guidance displaysonfig crack to test: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ [04:18] I just uploaded it, so it'll be a bit before it's built. [04:19] This is the "Don't die and maybe actually do something useful if there is no xorg.conf" upload. [04:20] Riddell: ^^^ - I'd appreciate your review on this. Assuming it tests out OK I'd like to upload it before the beta. [05:02] Howdy folks. [05:03] heya manchicken. [05:04] hi manchicken [05:04] hi manchicken [05:05] My kid got shots this morning, so sleep just isn't going to come tonight. [05:05] New kde-guidance is built in my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ - please test. [05:05] manchicken: that trailing s is intentional [05:06] What now? [05:06] * manchicken looks for misspellings... [05:06] * manchicken sees none.... [05:07] manchicken: ok cool :) [05:07] Were you asking if he got multiple shots? === [MA]yuriy is now known as yuriy [06:10] hmm looks like adept-notifier doesn't get an icon under kde4 === _firephoto is now known as firephoto === ultracap_ is now known as ultracap [10:01] Btw, if anyone gets a crash with Adept 3.0 alpha 4, *do report it to me*. The fact it's alpha doesn't mean there are any expected crashes (other than not following the instructions, anyway). [10:22] hi there ;) [10:22] Tonio_: jour [10:23] jpatrick: :) [10:25] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ [10:26] manchicken: your child was shot?! [10:28] shots/vaccines [10:28] * Jucato went through the logs in a panic :) [10:29] injections? [10:29] I presume so [10:29] I hope so [10:30] * Jucato thinks manchicken should have said "got his shots" instead of "got shots" :P [10:30] those crazy Americanisms [10:31] Shot -- a .5dl of liquor? :-) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:18] that's like how we say "The grass needs cut" [11:19] and omit the verb [11:19] * seele tries to think of some other weird language stuff [11:19] not like i'm an authority, i'm a yinzer [11:22] oh wtf.. celeste@ubuntu.com got scraped from somewhere for spam.. i just got a pile of bounces [11:22] figures it is the email address i never use.. [11:37] More kde-guidance displaysonfig crack to test: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ [11:38] This is the "Don't die and maybe actually do something useful if there is no xorg.conf" upload. [11:38] Riddell: ^^^ - I'd appreciate your review on this. Assuming it tests out OK I'd like to upload it before the beta. [11:40] let me look [11:44] ScottK3: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' [11:49] and without deleting xorg.conf [11:49] AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getAvailableResolutions' === fabo_ is now known as fabo === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [12:40] good morning! [12:45] hello richard [12:45] morning nixternal [12:53] I came home from class last night and fell asleep...exactly what the dr. ordered :) [12:55] anyone over at PyCon today? I was thinking about heading over a little later, even if I didn't pay $200 to go...sneak in maybe :) [12:57] - [13:03] + [13:04] / [13:04] * [13:05] # [14:19] "got shots" is not the same as "got shot" :) [14:52] nixternal!!! :) [14:52] yo yo [14:53] I haven't replied to the 5 on 5 yet... mostly because I don't have 5 :) [14:53] hehe [14:55] nixternal: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=785379 :D [14:55] w00t, did you get addicted by doing all of that work or what? [14:56] I am trying to figure out the best route on fixing bug 202110 right now [14:56] Launchpad bug 202110 in kpovmodeler-kde4 "package kpovmodeler-kde4 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kpovmodeler-kde4.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/mimetypes/kpovmodeler_doc.png', which is also in package kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202110 [14:56] nixternal: I got mentored :) === emonkey-t is now known as emonkey [14:56] (read: some amount of hand-holding :P) [14:56] hehe, we all need hand-holding [14:56] !yay | Jucato [14:56] Jucato: Glad you made it! :-) [14:57] lol :) [14:57] it's a bittersweet victory :) [14:57] bitter, but still sweet :) [14:58] Jucato: now it's my turn to be jealous of you === \sh is now known as \sh_away [14:59] don't be. like I said, lots of hand holding. I wouldn't have been able to do the heaviest parts without Sho's mentoring [14:59] (and patience.... lots and lots of it) [14:59] * n8k99 needs some ham holding [15:00] n8k99: hush! you'll get lots of holding + $$$ if you get accepted to GSoC :p [15:00] yes [15:00] so that marks my 5th contrib (but 4th patch) to KDE. yay! :) [15:00] n8k99: and $$$ to buy ham :P [15:01] if is a great beginning to control functions === \sh_away is now known as \sh [15:15] du -h /usr/lib/kde4/share/wallpapers/ [15:15] 25M! I think we need to split those out [15:21] hi folks [15:21] hi Arby, going to join in the beta testing fun? [15:21] happy birthday mhb! [15:21] jpatrick: it's mhb's birthday? [15:22] it is [15:22] Riddell: hi, I hope so [15:22] Riddell: yep [15:22] trying to get back in the groove [15:22] Arby: today's Kubuntu desktop CDs need tested if so :) [15:23] happy birthday mhb :) [15:23] mhb: congrats! [15:23] * Nightrose hands out cookies [15:23] installing virtualbox as we speak [15:23] hippy birthday mhb!!! [15:23] of course I meant "happy" [15:24] happy birthday mhb! [15:28] thanks guys and girls [15:28] mhb: Happy birthday! [15:28] will hardy boot when I update it? [15:29] nixternal wrote some scary blog posts [15:29] manchicken: better calm Riddell's worries. It turns out that "got shots" is an Americanism :P [15:29] mhb: that should be fixed [15:29] heh [15:29] groovy, let's update then [15:29] * jpatrick checks /topic in #ubuntu+1 [15:29] Jucato: Americans invented English, didn't you know that? [15:30] lol [15:30] no breakage for now [15:38] anyone tried kdm-kde4 recently? [15:39] i was rockin it earlier this week [15:39] Riddell: in gutsy - yes [15:39] before i built kde from source [15:39] so might be worth putting on the kubuntu-kde4 CD? [15:39] yes [15:39] Riddell: according to apachelogger no IIRC [15:39] apachelogger: poke poke === allee_ is now known as allee [15:50] * manchicken puts Kubuntu with KDE4 on his desktop box... [15:50] ryanakca: you around? [16:03] n8k99: does khelpcentre work in your self compiled kde4? [16:07] Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/test.debdiff <- is that a good idea or a bad idea for fixing bug 202110 you think? [16:08] kpovmodeler-kde4 supplies 3 kdepovmodeler_doc.png files and has the overwrite error during install if kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4 is installed [16:08] nixternal: why not just remove it from kpovmodeler-kde4? [16:09] Launchpad bug 202110 in kpovmodeler-kde4 "package kpovmodeler-kde4 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kpovmodeler-kde4.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/mimetypes/kpovmodeler_doc.png', which is also in package kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202110 [16:09] if they don't have the icon theme installed, then that icon will never get installed [16:10] well its not needed [16:10] it won't be found in crystalsvg [16:10] hrmm, good point [16:10] so it should be removed from kpovmodeler-kde4, or if it is needed, moved to oxygen [16:10] then I will go the removal route from kpovmodeler then [16:11] hmmm kdegraphics-kde4 in gutsy has an unmet depends on gwenview-kde4 >= 4.0.2 [16:11] is this just not build yet? [16:13] hmm, why does kdegraphics depend on gwenview? [16:14] that's fine [16:14] it's not being built [16:14] ok thx - will wait then [16:15] "Disable the gwenview-kde4 package because we don't have exiv2" [16:15] that'll be it [16:16] Nightrose: want to fix it? [16:16] I must have forgotten to remove the dep [16:16] exiv2 needs to be packaged? [16:17] exiv2 is already in the repos [16:17] Nightrose: it can't be packaged, not easily anyway [16:17] not a new enough version [16:17] ahh [16:17] Nightrose: so you'd need to just remove the dependency from the kdegraphics-kde4 metapackage [16:17] ok I think I can try that :) [16:17] Wow. Brazilians have very thick accents. [16:17] hehe [16:18] where you at manchicken that you are hearing brazilian accents? [16:18] I just interviewed someone over the phone who is a Brazilian immigrant to the US. [16:18] ahh [16:18] He didn't do very well at all. [16:18] * \sh needs a beer [16:19] nixternal: I've moved that kpovmodeller icon to the oxygen namespace in svn [16:19] \sh: just wait another 2 hours :P [16:19] Though he assured me that in a face-to-face interview he could knock my socks of... which is unfortunate because I don't do much work these days face-to-face. [16:19] Riddell: rock on! thanks [16:19] manchicken: irc interviews :) [16:19] hahaha [16:19] Riddell: That sounds like a scary idea. [16:19] At least on the phone I can hear if folks are googling. [16:21] <\sh> Nightrose: hell yeah :) [16:21] Okay, I've gotta walk to the library. [16:21] webcam interview? [16:25] Arby: what news? [16:25] Webcam interview wouldn't be too bad, except that I would rather assume that the guys are wearing suits and not know than have them on camera and be horrified when I'm wrong. [16:25] I would prefer not to have that window into someone else's house. [16:25] Riddell: kubuntu-kde4 desktop seems OK [16:26] seems to be lots of applications missing from the menu but maybe that's known [16:26] I'm still trying to catch up with the state of the game [16:28] in the plus column it's very very shiny :) [16:29] Arby: got an example of what's missing? [16:30] Riddell: konversation, amarok, openoffice apart from writer [16:30] no konversation or amarok in kde 4, openoffice I've just fixed [16:30] ok so like I said, known issues [16:31] if I install konversation or amarok from kde3 they don't appear in the menu [16:31] is that expected? [16:31] they will if you kill plasma and start it again [16:31] which isn't ideal [16:31] how do I do that without logging out? [16:32] or do I have to log out [16:32] `killall plasma` [16:32] ok [16:32] Arby: able to test kubuntu (kde3) desktop CD sometime? it wouldn't start for me this morning [16:32] sure [16:33] * Arby wgets [16:35] hooray for having fun on company time :) [16:36] the "york.ac.uk" company? [16:37] Riddell: should I just remove the icons with a binary-install rule in debian/rules? [16:38] nixternal: if that works yes [16:38] thanks [16:39] Riddell: not quite, it's a university spin out so we're on their network [16:39] also, kubuntu-kde3 totally dead [16:40] I get to the cd menu and it's unresponsive [16:40] * Artemis_Fowl releases KGRUBEditor 0.6... [16:40] I can't change menu options or select anything [16:41] Arby: that's what I got [16:41] Arby: quite strange [16:42] Riddell: any guesses as to the cause? [16:42] none at all [16:48] Arby: wouldn't running kbuildsycoca4 also show them up? [16:48] blueyed: you would think so, but no [16:49] Riddell: even not with --noincremental ? [16:49] * Arby == neophyte [16:49] I don't know what kbuildsycoca is sorry [16:49] Arby: it rebuilds the caches, but apparently not all/enough. [16:50] ok [16:51] Arby: you can try running "kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental" (as user), and see if it helps. Unless you've restarted plasma already that is anyway. [16:51] already restarted plasma but thanks [16:51] at least I've learned something [16:52] In which package are the defaults for "web shortcuts"? (I've looked in kubuntu-default-settings, but couldn't find it there) [16:53] Riddell: the iso tracker says we are not currently testing, is it worth filing a report on those tests? [16:55] Arby: probably not, so long as I know [16:55] fair enough [17:01] does that mean gwenview is not going to be included? or just 4.0.1? [17:01] nvm, i have 4.0.2 installed.. so i don't get it [17:03] <\sh> blueyed: which web shortcuts? [17:04] Riddell: i'll check now [17:04] \sh: "gg:", "wp:" and the like (can be used from krunner/konqueror) [17:04] yuriy: only a problem in gutsy [17:05] <\sh> blueyed: could be in konqeuror itself... [17:05] <\sh> blueyed: if you mean the kubuntu ones, they are in kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts [17:05] \sh: ah.. that sounds good, thanks! [17:06] blueyed: dpkg -S /usr/share/services/searchproviders [17:06] the kubuntu ones are maintend in bazaar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/trunk [17:06] <\sh> uh..doomed...I'm still the maintainer of this little package ;) [17:07] smarter: thanks. [17:07] Riddell: the help option in kickoff does open the help window in my compiled kde4 [17:08] n8k99: right but is there anything in there? [17:09] Riddell: it depends upon what the topic is whether there is documentation or not [17:09] stdin: removed the depends - what do you need now? [17:09] n8k99: right, in the kubuntu packages there's just no topics at all [17:09] for instance, i have docs for controlcenter but not cervisisa [17:10] i did build the api doc as well when i followed techbase instructions [17:11] d'oh, are we not supposed to uploading during this latest freeze? [17:11] 'leave [17:12] nixternal: you can [17:12] Riddell: further digging, i've got topics but not all of the documentations [17:12] it'll get stuck in unapproved [17:12] ahh, ya it comes through and says it is waiting for distro manager approval [17:12] whew..scared me for a sec...thought I broke the law [17:13] nixternal: maybe you did... [17:19] Nightrose: nothing, just pbuild and dput :) [17:20] Nightrose: erm debuild :p [17:20] stdin: I did debuild - dput where now? [17:21] Nightrose: you aren't in the -kde4 team are you? [17:21] I am not [17:21] maybe Riddell can add you [17:22] I can [17:22] Riddell: ~lydia-pintscher [17:22] thx [17:23] Nightrose: then you just need something like http://stdin.pastebin.com/d1c18f0ce in your ~/.dput.cf [17:23] done [17:23] groovy [17:23] ;-) [17:35] * Artemis_Fowl released version 0.6 of KGRUBEditor and starts studying... [17:35] apachelogger: ^ [17:36] ok small problem... - need to get ready for dinner - will fix and upload when I get back [17:38] <\sh> hmmm....basket is just cool... [17:38] <\sh> but I would like to see the notes floating on my desktop, just as its done on the window area [17:40] <\sh> Nightrose: hurry up...I'm hungry and thirsty ;) [17:41] \sh: *lol* so am I === \sh is now known as \sh_away [18:43] Riddell: Thanks for looking at the kde-guidance in my PPA. Those errors I would have expected for ppa1, but I thought I had taken care of in ppa2. If you would, would you please double check which you had installed? [18:44] Riddell: not unless someone tested it === emu_ is now known as emu [18:44] I will take a look at it ASAP [18:45] IIRC there are some fixes that need to be uploaded [18:45] after that it should work pretty well [18:47] Riddell: btw, it seems your iPod issue is caused by an overal problem with mediadevice list parsing in Amarok, caused by some change in the kded output [18:47] at least I think this is the cause [18:48] !info kphotoalbum [18:48] kphotoalbum (source: kphotoalbum): tool for indexing, searching and viewing images by keywords for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.2-1build1 (gutsy), package size 15180 kB, installed size 20372 kB [18:48] apachelogger: good that its not just me [18:48] apachelogger: any chance of a fix before release do you think? [18:48] Riddell: before hardy for sure ;-) [18:49] the problem is our mediadevice stuff maintainer is currently quite busy with 1st life [18:50] apachelogger: is that the issue with iPods locking up the system you are referring to? [18:50] no [18:50] the 'my-amarok-doesnt-detect-my-ipod' issue [18:51] OK, there is a report on LP for that issue, however I just did an iPod sync a couple of months ago...and I went to test to see if I could reproduce their issue and now I can't find my iPod cable :/ [18:51] :| [18:51] well, it is a generic issue [18:52] amarok will also be unable to detect an USBMS [18:52] as the complete parsing fails for some reason === ScottK3 is now known as ScottK2 [18:55] shouldn't kphotoalbum also have a Recommends for KHelpCenter? [18:55] given khelpcentre doesn't work.. [18:55] (for our packages) [18:55] khelpcenter kde3 [18:55] this is for the kde3 packages [18:56] ah, probably [18:56] gnome people file bugs that khelpcenter isn't included in a K package, but as soon as it is included and installs, they complain about pulling in to many K dependencies [18:56] it is a no win situation :/ [18:59] mm hmm [18:59] * apachelogger demands a fd.o spec for helpcenter stuff [19:00] or we could just hide the handbook menuitem if khelpcenter is not installed ;-) [19:02] apachelogger++ [19:06] well, fd.o spec calls for Project Mallard which has been vaporware now for close to 3 years [19:07] * apachelogger has no idea what project mallard is and prolly shouldn't know due to that vaporware comment [19:08] apachelogger: or better yet, instead of hiding the menuitem, make it popup and say "hey, you don't have KHelpCenter installed, so either install it or run meinproc on the .docbook file to create HTML" [19:09] hm [19:09] or better yet, Yelp devs could add support for .docbook files [19:09] yeah [19:09] though [19:09] for now [19:09] why not use the amarok approach? [19:09] i.e. popup - hey the necessary application for KDE handbooks isn't installed - do you want to automatically install it? [19:10] that would still need to be hardcoded in every k app though right? [19:10] nope [19:11] that stuff should be in kdelibs [19:11] AFAIK [19:11] do people using gnome get the popup when they try to view the handbook of a kde app? [19:13] nixternal: well, anyone will get unless khelpcenter is installed [19:13] the person in this one report wants kipi-plugins and khelpcenter installed when kphotoalbum is installed [19:14] have kipi and khelp in recommends is good enough imho [19:14] nixternal: My suggestion would be wontfix - Rationale: "If you want KDE, use KDE." [19:14] checking to see what other distros do with their pkgs [19:14] ScottK2: hahahhahaa [19:14] lol [19:14] Not particularly kidding. [19:14] but still, that was funny [19:15] Yeah, well that was a bonus. [19:15] seele, apachelogger: think this is a good set to suggest on kde-core-devel? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDefaultSettings [19:16] ktip: don't run this. Just kill it. Kill it dead [19:16] hahahahaha, nice Riddell [19:17] nomnom [19:17] ktip [19:17] I can't stand KTip, but I do know a lot of newbs use the heck out of it [19:17] its horribly out of date, as well as being just evil [19:17] is useful for approx 0.1% of users [19:17] those who have time to actually read that [19:17] well [19:17] it's getting updated [19:17] with new design and stuff [19:17] AFAIK [19:17] so, I wouldn't kill it [19:18] isn't there a plasma applet to replace it? [19:18] (I'll still hate it) [19:18] Riddell: other stuff looks good though [19:18] :) [19:18] So we aren't shipping the Konqueror simplification stuff anymore? [19:18] well, they started one [19:18] but eventually the development stopped [19:18] and it is now rotting to death in playground [19:18] cryptodefaults: don't warn when submitting forms to unencrypted sites, [19:19] ScottK2: most of the changes are in kde 4, although I still don't like profiles [19:19] ^^ I thought that was a standard implemented for every browser..don't know if it is a law thing or not, but I have read somewhere that browsers must warn by default [19:19] yeah [19:19] profiles are evil [19:19] I don't think I understand them completely [19:20] nixternal: sites might do, browsers don't [19:20] It's been long enough since I did a fresh install, I don't remember what it looks like. I do remember undoing some of the Konqueror changes, but don't recall what. [19:20] IMO are browser warnings super stupid [19:20] none reads them [19:20] thanks to crypto warnings in IE and netscape [19:21] I love your ktip(evil) statements [19:21] everywhere you use ktip there is the (evil) not far from it :) [19:23] ...does anyone use window shading? <-- actually, I see more people using this that ever before, no matter their DE...honestly it is freakin' annoying [19:23] double clicking in kde4 maximizes the window...lovely [19:23] nixternal: you can change that of course [19:23] yup [19:23] and yeah.. window shading is awesome [19:24] why not just minimize it? [19:24] I've only ever used window shading by accident. [19:24] ohh! thats kind of shading.... I thought you meant like (darkening or turning transparent) [19:24] same here [19:24] yeah, thats annoying [19:24] well [19:25] usabilitywise I imagine the shade default is super bad [19:25] I have seen screenshots on the gnome planet where someone has like 40 shaded bars on their desktop [19:25] none would ever expect a window to roll in when double clicking on it [19:25] or does a website roll in when you click a link? [19:26] maybe the desktop should also shade when clicking the kmenu [19:26] is -1ubuntu1 > -1build1? [19:26] yes [19:26] *shrug* [19:27] ok..just wanted to make sure before I started building [19:27] * nixternal goes to Debian first [19:29] I can't believe my 'd' key on my keyboard is like physically broken...sometimes if I don't press it just right it won't activate [19:29] I must use the heck out of the 'd' key [19:29] nixternal: deleting too much spam? [19:29] nixternal: its all those "dd"'s in VIM [19:29] hahaha [19:30] I don't get much spam anymore to my client [19:30] google grabs most of it now [19:30] * nosrednaekim <3 the google spam blocker [19:30] ++ [19:30] [smarter@fenny ~]% grep "" .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/ubuntu\ irc_\#kubuntu-devel.log|grep d|wc -l [19:30] 1169 [19:31] Riddell: Did you have an opinion on cjwatson's proposed fix for Bug #44548 [19:31] Launchpad bug 44548 in kdebase "Problems with accentuated characters in man pages" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44548 [19:32] ScottK2: hmm, I thought I'd included that patch [19:32] nixternal@3LockBox:~/irclogs/Freenode$ grep '\[*nixternal*\]' \#kubuntu-devel.log | wc -l [19:32] 26652 [19:33] come on smarter_, I talk way more than that [19:33] heh... you have to count his laternate personalities [19:33] *alternate === smarter_ is now known as smarter [19:34] alternate personalities may take me up over the 30k mark [19:36] Riddell: I didn't check the source yet. Maybe the bug just didn't get updated. [19:41] nixternal: http://pastebin.ca/942840 (: [19:42]