[00:02] <flipstar> so the problem is with gedit..did you tried reinstall or so ?
[00:07] <oxigen> is there some irc client on live cd?
[00:08] <flipstar> yes probably
[00:08] <oxigen> pidgin?
[00:09] <flipstar> on the gnome2.22 vm is xchat ..
[00:09] <maccam94> ff3 appears to be broken
[00:09] <maccam94> er, firefox
[00:10] <KrimZon> does anyone know whats wrong with this: i'm trying to do the libc6 fix on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886&page=12 except i get the error: "chroot: cannot run command `dpkg': Input/output error"
[00:11] <oxigen> dang, i hate this libc bug
[00:11] <flipstar> libc6 is already fixed
[00:11] <KrimZon> mine isnt, i have the old version on my system and it won't boot
[00:11] <flipstar> i didnt even had it ..
[00:11] <oxigen> yea, but doesnt fix all problems
[00:14] <matjan_work> hi, my desktop install is broken... the libc update of this morning... where can i find to solve this?
[00:14] <KrimZon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886&page=12
[00:14] <matjan_work> i cannot not even get into the root shell prompt after booting into recovery mode
[00:14] <matjan_work> KrimZon, is that link for me?
[00:14] <tux__> matjan_work, that happened to me
[00:14] <tux__> tried everything, nothing worked
[00:14] <KrimZon> yep, sorry
[00:14] <tux__> so i re-installed
[00:15] <KrimZon> meant to say
[00:15] <matjan_work> ok... i will check
[00:15] <KrimZon> is it possible to install files from cd over the top of an existing wubi installation?
[00:16] <oxigen> i doubt
[00:16] <flipstar> files=os ? then yes
[00:17] <KrimZon> oh well... i'm trying one last thing, then reinstalling tomorrow
[00:17] <_dan_> nvidia seems broken for me in -12 kernel, is this issue known and/or a workaround for it?
[00:18] <flipstar> did you reinstalled nvidia drivers ?
[00:18] <_dan_> nvidia-glx-new i reinstalled
[00:18] <flipstar> whats the error message ?
[00:19] <KrimZon> cyas later
[00:19] <_dan_> modprobe says install error
[00:26] <KrimZon> wow, i fixed it
[00:26] <KrimZon> it's always the last thing you try :p
[00:30] <laz0r> hi, erm... i am looking for some help with a problem installing the kde-devel on ubuntu gutsy
[00:30] <laz0r> the symptoms are pretty much the same as in this old bug: -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/79101
[00:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 79101 in meta-kde "kde-devel package broken" [Undecided,Invalid]
[00:32] <ader10> How do I remove a user from freenx?
[00:36] <felipe_> is the scim package broken?
[00:36] <felipe_> I get the following error: E: scim: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[00:36] <felipe_> after a clean installation and attempting to apply upgrades
[00:36] <matjan_work> good! that fix seems to have worked (libc break)
[00:38] <Dr_willis> it seems scim has been an issue for weeks now with people.
[00:39] <felipe_> I had a Ubuntu installation about 2 days ago
[00:39] <felipe_> (Hardy), wiped it out by mistake. There were no problems with it
[00:39] <felipe_> Just wondering whether it was a recent issue
[00:41] <malnilion> Good, libc6 is fixed :)
[00:45] <Dr_willis> Does that mean somthing else will break now?
[00:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:45] <crimsun> of course
[00:48] <mrigns> I've been getting random system freezes for a couple of days now and I still could not figure out what exactly is causing it
[00:48] <mrigns> but I guess it has something to do with networking
[00:49] <mrigns> when I stop all network related services nothing bad happens
[00:49] <mohbana__> where can i find the log of boot i am trying to investigate why i cant get my 8800gts to work
[00:50] <mohbana__> well its works directly after i installed it but after i reboot it seems to go back to safe gfx mode
[00:50] <maccam94> mohbana__: try running dmesg?
[00:51] <DrZaius55> Howdy.. Having a dependency problem on Hardy with gnome-keyring-manager.  Apprently its replaced by seahorse, but gnome-desktop-environment still depends on it
[00:51] <mohbana__> anymore suggestions before i reboot?
[00:51] <maccam94> mohbana__: dmesg?
[00:52] <mohbana__> maccam94, o didn't try that
[00:52] <mohbana__> the card is working fine in fedora
[00:56] <syke> hi
[00:56] <scizzo-> hello
[00:56] <syke> now that gcc-4.3 is released, will someone build a proper package for it and transfer gcc-snapshot to the gcc 4.4 trunk?
[00:57] <gotgnu> I am getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59551/ any ideas
[00:57] <Dr_willis> gotgnu,  summarize the problem a little bit. Dont expect people to go to every web site posted in the channel.
[00:57] <Dr_willis> many in here cant.. due to useing irssi, or so forth. :)
[00:58] <gotgnu> Dr_willis: ok it is an error when updating
[00:58] <gotgnu> Errors were encountered while processing:
[00:58] <gotgnu>  scim
[00:58] <gotgnu>  scim-gtk2-immodule
[00:58] <gotgnu> that is the end of the error
[00:58] <scizzo-> gotgnu: seems to be wrong in the package
[00:59] <maccam94> gotgnu: yeah i was just getting some scim errors
[00:59] <Dr_willis> Im betting its a known bug. Seems several people are having that issue.
[00:59] <maccam94> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:59] <maccam94> scim fails to finish installing for me
[00:59] <scizzo-> yes
[00:59] <scizzo-> there is errors in --configure for the package
[00:59] <gotgnu> ok so just wait it out
[00:59] <scizzo->  /var/lib/dpkg/info/scim.postinst: 85: Syntax error: end of file unexpected
[00:59] <GuyFromHell> anyone else have an unusable firefox browser since firefox-3.0b4? Mine random empty GTK boxes when i try to go to a website
[01:00] <scizzo-> gotgnu: this seems to be a package error
[01:00] <gotgnu> is it something i can fix or should wait
[01:01] <scizzo-> well the suggested fix is to get the old version
[01:01] <tech0007> hi...got an error while doing latest update...something about the package scim...any ideas?
[01:01] <Dr_willis> Ive gotten where i wait and only update once a week. :) after checking in here to see if anything is majorly messed up.. Looks like i am waiting a few more days this time.
[01:01] <DrZaius55> So trying to do "apt-get install gnome" and it says it can't find gnome-keyring-manager
[01:01] <Dr_willis> We need this scim thing in the topic it seems?
[01:01] <flipstar> tech0007: see one line above your post
[01:02] <tech0007> flipstar: sorry I jst joined the channel, how do i get to see the earlier posts?
[01:02] <scizzo-> Dr_willis: its a broken package not a package that is being broken after install
[01:02] <maccam94> scizzo-: i just added a fi line to /var/lib/dpkg/info/scim.postinst before the last line of text
[01:02] <maccam94> apt-get dist-upgrade then finished
[01:02] <Dr_willis> scizzo-,  ok.. let me reread that a few more times.. I havent had my coffee yet. :)
[01:03] <scizzo-> maccam94: yes sounds like the file itself is broken
[01:03] <Dr_willis> The actual .deb on the repos. is 'broken' ?  is what we are saying?
[01:03] <flipstar> tech0007: its just one line above your first post..saying install an older version :)
[01:03] <tech0007> are we all talking about scim?
[01:03] <scizzo-> maccam94: you can send this fix to the forums or bug report it to launchpad
[01:03] <maccam94> tech0007: yup
[01:03] <tech0007> woohoo
[01:03] <ader10> Is vnc over nx any faster than regular vnc?
[01:03] <maccam94> ader10: i think nx and vnc are different, and i think nx is more efficient
[01:04] <ader10> maccam94: you can run vnc from nx
[01:04] <flipstar> nx has compression as far as i know
[01:04] <tech0007> so shld i do apt-get install scim?
[01:04] <ader10> maccam94: in nxclient in windows, at least :)
[01:04] <maccam94> tech0007: ?
[01:04] <maccam94> tech0007: why?
[01:05] <tech0007> to get the older version?
[01:05] <tech0007> somethin like that
[01:05] <scizzo-> tech0007: /var/lib/dpkg/info/scim.postinst: 85: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "fi")
[01:06] <scizzo-> tech0007: this is the error you get?
[01:06] <tech0007> scizzo-: yup yup
[01:06] <scizzo-> tech0007: in that case you can try to do what maccam94 did before....adding a fi to the end of that file
[01:06] <scizzo-> tech0007: and then try to install it again
[01:06] <tech0007> scizzo-: is it better to do a workaround or wait for a fix?
[01:06] <maccam94> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/202019
[01:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202019 in scim "package scim 1.4.7-3ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Low,Triaged]
[01:07] <maccam94> it's already been fixed
[01:07] <maccam94> i think we just have to wait for the new package to come out
[01:07] <Dr_willis> Triaged - they make it sound like a war on bugs!
[01:07] <maccam94> i wouldn't worry about it
[01:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:07] <maccam94> it's not a showstopper
[01:07] <tech0007> maccam94: so i shld wait for the new package instead ryt?
[01:07]  * ader10 stops the show
[01:07] <maccam94> Dr_willis: sounds more like a hospital actually :-P
[01:08] <maccam94> tech0007: yeah it'll probably be fixed in a couple hours
[01:08] <tech0007> maccam94: thanks dude
[01:08] <maccam94> no problem
[01:08] <tech0007> hardy is awesome!
[01:08] <scizzo-> that libc6 bug is still a bit ummm scary
[01:08] <Dr_willis> maccam94,  MASH has been on tv all day. :)
[01:08] <tech0007> scizzo-: glad i didnt get that
[01:10] <maccam94> haha
[01:11] <clinton> I'm not broken anymore! :)
[01:11] <clinton> well, not with libc6 anyhow, is the nvidia module failure to load related?
[01:11] <ader10> Is there a way to enable composite in freenx
[01:13] <kindofabuzz> are there any Gnome 2.22 debs out yet?
[01:14] <scizzo-> kindofabuzz: yes
[01:14] <kindofabuzz> got a link? =)
[01:14] <scizzo-> kindofabuzz: some are in the repos
[01:15] <savvas> kindofabuzz: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:15] <kindofabuzz> well i meant Gnome itself
[01:16] <scizzo-> kindofabuzz: what?
[01:16] <flipstar> not yet i think >http://torrent.gnome.org/
[01:16] <gotgnu> scizzo-: just uninstall it
[01:17] <Milos_SD> How can I use debdiff file, I downloaded debdiff for scim - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/202019 but I don't know how to use it
[01:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202019 in scim "package scim 1.4.7-3ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Low,Triaged]
[01:17] <gotgnu> scizzo-: is it an important package?
[01:17] <kindofabuzz> i'm sure someone has compiled it themselves and made a dep somewhere
[01:17] <scizzo-> gotgnu: ?
[01:18] <gotgnu> scizz0-: can I just remove that package ?
[01:18] <scizzo-> gotgnu: which one?
[01:18] <gotgnu> scim
[01:19] <scizzo-> gotgnu: I would wait
[01:19] <scizzo-> gotgnu: until the fix is up on the repos
[01:19] <gew> can any of you guys post your /etc/apt/source.list please
[01:19] <gew> i am trying to upgrade to hardy
[01:19] <gew> i know some need to be commented
[01:20] <gew> thank you
[01:20] <Milos_SD> gew, you just need to start update-manager -d
[01:21] <Milos_SD> and it will give you an option to do the upgrade to Hardy
[01:21] <gew> k , thank you  ... will do
[01:23] <kindofabuzz> i'm still iffy on trying hardy
[01:23] <flipstar> iffy..?
[01:23] <manatatas> w00t
[01:23] <bazhang> best to wait then kindofabuzz
[01:25] <kindofabuzz> yeah i'm gonna hold up
[01:26] <kindofabuzz> i like gutsy, just want the new gnome
[01:26] <kindofabuzz> i know how to compile but have never tried anything that big
[01:26] <flipstar> you can try the vm from http://torrent.gnome.org/
[01:27] <flipstar> it has gnome2.22 ..
[01:27] <kindofabuzz> hmm
[01:28] <savvas> what's the home page of ff3 beta 4?
[01:29] <savvas> they said there's a new home page but can't see it
[01:30] <flipstar> google is default..
[01:30] <savvas> yeah but they were saying about a new slick home page
[01:31] <flipstar> maybe the first start page..?
[01:32] <savvas> ah
[01:32] <savvas> well.. that's a shame :\
[01:33] <savvas> http://partnerpage.google.com/ubuntu.com
[01:34] <savvas> found it :)
[01:34] <silent_> anyone else have FF break?
[01:34] <silent_> wont launch, using seamonkey now
[01:35] <mohbana> hey guys i am having problems with the 8800gts why does x fail to start up after ive installed nvidia drivers?
[01:36] <savvas> silent run it in terminal
[01:36] <silent_> savvas: Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9b3 and 1.9b3.
[01:37] <savvas> apt-cache policy firefox-3.0
[01:37] <savvas> you should have: 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[01:37] <savvas> otherwise change your archive mirrors to main server
[01:38] <mosibfu> good eavening, well ill start it off. i had an update couple of hours ago, including libc6, it gave a segmentation fault on libc6. 10 minutes ago i tried to reboot, i think the problem is the libc6 update, dpkg.log says: 2008-03-13 17:59:28 status half-configured libc6 2.7-9ubuntu1
[01:38] <silent_> savvas:   Installed: 3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4
[01:38] <savvas> silent_: and candidate?
[01:38] <mosibfu> erm, rebooting didnt work as you might understand :) stopped at starting system log (sorry tried to put all in 1 line)
[01:38] <silent_>   Candidate: 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[01:39] <bazhang> mosibfu: read the /topic ?
[01:39] <mohbana> i isntall the nvidia drivers but after i restart the x fails to load please help
[01:39] <mosibfu> ohh, i need a wide screen ^^ didnt see it
[01:39] <savvas> silent_: sudo apt-get autoclean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:39] <mosibfu> tyvm
[01:39] <silent_> k, ill try it
[01:39] <savvas> silent_: wait
[01:39] <savvas> silent_: if there's a scim upgrade, don't do it
[01:40] <savvas> not that it matters much, but that package is broken
[01:40] <silent_> savvas: no scim
[01:41] <savvas> silent_: upgrade then :)
[01:41] <silent_> did, ff working now
[01:41] <silent_> thanks savvas
[01:41] <savvas> n/p
[01:43] <savvas> yay banana split
[01:43] <savvas> :)
[01:44] <mohbana> anyone here?
[01:45] <flipstar> nope
[01:46] <mohbana> i isntall the nvidia drivers but after i restart the x fails to load please help
[01:47] <wastrel> hi
[01:47] <flipstar> mohbana: whats the error message ?
[01:48] <mohbana> flipstar, none it simply fails to load and it tells me going into safe gfx mode. even after i i do 'nvidia-xconfig' and then reboot
[01:50] <flipstar> maybe you should try an newer driver
[01:50] <mohbana> i intalled 169.12
[01:51] <bazhang> mohbana: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:51] <mohbana> bazhang, ive tried that aswell
[01:51] <savvas> don't forget -phigh :)
[01:51] <bazhang> mohbana: make sure the nvidia driver is there; you may want to pastebin your xorg.conf for us to look at
[01:52] <savvas> i think i know what it is
[01:52] <savvas> i had that yesterday
[01:52] <mohbana> any idea where the log is?
[01:53] <savvas> if it's the same problem as mine, he had duplicates of device, monitor and screen section
[01:53] <bazhang> ah right
[01:53] <mesilliac>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:55] <savvas> mohbana: upload this first: /etc/X11/xorg.conf here: http://www.pastebin.ca/upload.php
[01:56] <mohbana> http://pastebin.com/m32e84095
[01:56] <flipstar> your card isnt detected
[01:58] <mohbana> flipstar, how did you arrive o that
[01:59] <savvas> pastebin.com doesn't load here
[01:59] <savvas> 02:55:10 < savvas> mohbana: upload this first: /etc/X11/xorg.conf here: http://www.pastebin.ca/upload.php
[02:00] <mohbana> http://www.pastebin.ca/941930
[02:02] <flipstar> it says "Generic Video Card" instead of your card specification
[02:02] <flipstar> how did you created that config ?
[02:02] <axisys> is libc6 ready for update on the mirror http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ?
[02:03] <mohbana> flipstar, nvidia-xconfig
[02:03] <bmk789> axisys: just make sure when it downloads that it ends in ubuntu2 not ubuntu1
[02:03] <axisys> bmk789: ok.. thnx
[02:04] <axisys> bmk789: checked 2.7-9ubuntu2 for all three including dev6 and i686
[02:04] <bmk789> good, its safe then
[02:05] <axisys> bmk789: hmm..
[02:05] <axisys> bmk789: i am still getting forbidden like this http://rafb.net/p/6yAW6H42.html
[02:06] <dareii> hi everyone
[02:06] <axisys> bmk789: hmm that one says libc6-i686_2.7-9ubuntu1_i386.deb even though descripton said ubuntu2
[02:06] <dareii> i did upgrades last night now my computer won't boot up - help
[02:06] <axisys> strange!
[02:07] <axisys> dareii: do u atleast see the grub?
[02:07] <dareii> gets to "starting system log daemon" then just sits there
[02:08] <DaskreecH> [NM]tritium, [PA]lamalex: What the heck ?
[02:08] <[NM]tritium> DaskreecH: #ubuntu-us meet and greet, so we're identifying states
[02:08] <teethdood> gosh I understand hardy is still alpha and we're supposed to withstand breakage and all, but broken beyond bootable?
[02:08] <DaskreecH> ha ha
[02:08] <[PA]lamalex> :) join the fun in #ubuntu-us
[02:09] <dareii> yep worked perfectly till last nights upgrade
[02:09] <axisys> bmk789: i run the `check'
[02:09] <axisys> bmk789: i guess i had the older version
[02:09] <axisys> bmk789: will post it here of the outcome
[02:10] <spiderfire> hello
[02:10] <teethdood> all I'm saying is whoever committed the upgrade should at least test run it once before the commit
[02:10] <spiderfire> love the new ubuntu home page...on the take over nice
[02:10] <axisys> dareii: do u see the grub today?
[02:10] <axisys> u could do a escape when u see grub
[02:11] <axisys> and pick the recover menu or pick a older kernel .. the default one is failing for u..
[02:11] <ionstorm> where can I find a changelog for updated packages
[02:11] <axisys> dareii: assuming u can see the grub
[02:11] <ionstorm> is there a rss feed?
[02:11] <dareii> yes - grub working - but not booting all the way through to the login screen
[02:11] <flipstar> ionstorm: theres a mailing list
[02:11] <axisys> dareii: so dont pick the default
[02:11] <axisys> dareii: your default one is corrupted some home
[02:11] <ionstorm> flipstar, whats the name/url of it
[02:12] <axisys> dareii: just power cycle the system and when u see the GRUB word hit escape
[02:12] <flipstar> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com try google it or so
[02:12] <axisys> dareii: then pick another one from the menu
[02:12] <axisys> dareii: usually the top one in the menu is the default choice
[02:12] <dareii> i tried both the 11 and 12 kernel both not working
[02:12] <axisys> dareii: again u dont want the default choice since it sounds broken
[02:13] <axisys> dareii: even the recover mode?
[02:13] <axisys> dareii: also u may want to look at the http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886 as shown in /topic
[02:13] <dareii> what do i type for recover mode. i don't have it showing in grub
[02:14] <axisys> dareii: u could pick one from menu
[02:14] <axisys> dareii: then hit e to edit
[02:15] <axisys> then get rid of the `quiet splash' and replace that with `single'
[02:15] <axisys> which is essentially what recover mode does
[02:15] <axisys> and then hit `b' to boot
[02:16] <dareii> ok i'll try that. i gotta reboot, will report back - so far all of hardy has worked great - only distro that works on my laptop
[02:21] <dereks> hello. i am trying to go to a page with a java applet in FireFox on hardy. It gives me the "install missing plugins" thing on top. I tell it to install the JavaSE6 plugin (even though i know its already installed) and it tells me it is already installed. how do i get java to work?
[02:21] <[OA]daskreecH> Hi Hobbsee
[02:21] <ethana2> UB`: konqueror and webkit epiphany
[02:21] <ethana2> oh
[02:22] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:22] <tgelter> any reason why I wouldn't want to install the newest updates (apt and apt-utils)?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> tgelter: no
[02:23]  * Hobbsee runs an update
[02:23] <axisys> dereks: ps -ef | grep firefox
[02:23] <tgelter> Hobbsee: thanks. after what happened w/ libc6 and firefox the last couple of days, I'm wanting to be careful
[02:23] <axisys> and get the exact path for firefox
[02:23] <Hobbsee> firefox?
[02:24] <ethana2> is it there yet?
[02:24] <ethana2> beta4?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> no
[02:24] <dereks> axisys: yeah?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> oh wait, yes.
[02:24] <ethana2> so is there the ubuntu2 libc6 in repos now?
[02:25]  * ethana2 checks for updates
[02:25] <daskreecH> ethana2: in topic
[02:25] <Hobbsee> oh, crud.
[02:25]  * Hobbsee doesn't want to do an upload for firefox
[02:25] <ethana2> oh, sorry
[02:26] <Hobbsee> oh wait.  it's all good
[02:26] <supersako> if i get Hardy ALPHA now, when it is released would i need to install it again or can i upgrade to the final version?
[02:26] <axisys> ok u could follow this as well Setting up scim (1.4.7-3ubuntu3) ...
[02:26] <axisys> /var/lib/dpkg/info/scim.postinst: 85: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "fi")
[02:26] <axisys> oops wrong screen
[02:26] <wastrel> scim
[02:27] <axisys> dereks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[02:27] <Hobbsee> axisys: latest hardy?
[02:29] <supersako> so would i need to reinstall when the final release is out for hardy or can i get the alpha now and keep upgrading to the final version?
[02:29] <wastrel> the latter
[02:29] <supersako> thnx
[02:30] <Hobbsee> axisys: already fixed.
[02:31] <spiderfire> anyone find flash streams load slow?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> tgelter: anyway, what was the problem with firefox?
[02:33] <ethana2> Hobbsee: just that it was much anticipated but much delayed, i think
[02:33] <Hobbsee> oh, meh
[02:33] <Hobbsee> i thought it was something important, like it breaking or something.
[02:34] <ethana2> ff3b3 had problems
[02:36] <atlef> oh, man the libc bug was kind of nasty
[02:36] <atlef> *libc6_
[02:36] <atlef> but i think i recovered
[02:39] <Toma-> I have the daily build of ubuntustudio for 13/03 and I cant get past the 'Detect network card' part. Doesnt even give me an error in dmesg.
[02:39] <Toma-> syslog claims its found lo and stops at 0%
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Toma-: dailies probably aren't supposed to work
[02:43] <Mark_Milliman> Is anyone experiencing any FF3b4 connectivity problems?
[02:44] <thumper> any X magicians around?
[02:44] <Toma-> well _MMA_ asked me to do some tests of the 64bit builds for him. works perfectly for him... what id really like to know is how to debug it a little further. or is syslog the end of the line?
[02:45] <DanaG> Argh. I hate when compiz greys out Firefox and then LEAVES it greyed out.
[02:48] <DanaG> Indefinitely.
[02:48] <RAOF> I know that people are somewhat perplexed by that behaviour.
[02:48] <RAOF> The problem is, Firefox stops responding to PING messages, so what Compiz does is (kinda) correct.
[02:49] <daskreecH> the wm pings the apps?
[02:49] <RAOF> Yes.
[02:49] <RAOF> That's how you can get "Foo is not responding" messages.
[02:49] <daskreecH> So why doens't firefox respond?
[02:49] <RAOF> Because it's broken.
[02:50] <RAOF> (If we knew that, we'd fix it)
[02:50] <daskreecH> cause of beta or casue of design?
[02:50] <crdlb> firefox 2 does it too
[02:50] <RAOF> Because of bug.  Firefox _should_ respond to pings (and, indeed, most of the time does).
[02:50] <DanaG> Well, what makes it START greying out?
[02:50] <DanaG> That's really odd that it stops and then doesn't resume.
[02:51] <Viaken> Anyone else having problems with flash crashing firefox?
[02:51] <RAOF> DanaG: When it's non-multithreaded rendering engine bogs down the GUI main loop?
[02:51] <DanaG> Is the a way to tell Compiz to just never grey out Firefox?
[02:51] <crdlb> no
[02:52] <RAOF> It might be possible in workarounds?
[02:52] <crdlb> it's the one thing in compiz that's _not_ an option :P
[02:53] <supersako> so if i install alpha 6 and upgrade to the final version will there be anything different than reinstalling the final version when its released?
[02:55] <DanaG> Windows sticking to screen rather than cube is another thing that's not available.
[02:55] <DanaG> Oh, and window menu hides "move to workspace {left,right}" when on the {first,last} sides of a cube.
[02:56] <daskreecH> supersako: Other than bandwidth bill and the issue of doing that everytime you want to install for others nope
[02:57] <supersako> dask you mean for future distros?
[02:57] <supersako> when you say others?
[02:57] <RAOF> DanaG: Actually, windows sticking to screen is available, but not in the Ubuntu packages.
[02:58] <RAOF> DanaG: For example, I've got my panels stuck to the screen, which is kinda nice :)
[02:59] <Toma-> Well thanks for trying to help.
[03:01] <spiderfire> Viaken: yes flash loads slow and crashes sometimes
[03:02] <Viaken> spiderfire: It's crashing reliably now.
[03:02] <DanaG> Here's my impression of Flash:
[03:02] <DanaG> *segfault*
[03:02] <DanaG> *segfault*
[03:02] <Viaken> heh
[03:02] <spiderfire> Viaken: im trying the install from the browser...not the repo
[03:02] <DanaG> browse a few YouTube pages:  *segfault*.  Resume session; *segfault*
[03:03] <DanaG> Or rather, resume session, hit "back", and THEN segfault.
[03:03] <daskreecH> supersako: no I mean carrying your alpha 6 install disc over to friends house to install for them :)
[03:03] <teethdood> firefox searchbox is broken
[03:03] <spiderfire> my flash works its just very slow...sometimes it crashes though
[03:04] <Viaken> It's segfaulting on every flash embed, for me. Thank God for NoScript.
[03:04] <spiderfire> noscript?
[03:04] <spiderfire> should i get that?
[03:05] <Viaken> It's handy. Set it up to "apply these restrictions to trusted sites, too" and block all plugins...lets you click to activate what you want, when you want.
[03:05] <DanaG> How about FlashBlock ?
[03:05] <Viaken> Flashblock does something similar, but is less powerful.
[03:05] <DanaG> Less of a PITA (pain in the ...) than NoScript.
[03:06] <teethdood> in other words, don't build websites with any kind of flash?
[03:06] <Viaken> I set it up to automatically "temporarily" allow the URL of the site I'm on, so I rarely have trouble with it. Yahoo Mail is the only thing I can think of that causes problems.
[03:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/197135
[03:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197135 in compiz "need to blacklist xpress200m when using ati driver" [High,Fix released]
[03:06] <Viaken> Had to allow something.yimg.com
[03:06] <DanaG> Oh great, now blacklisting ALL 'ati' driver cards?
[03:06] <DanaG> That's lame;  it should blacklist the bad ones; perhaps by name instead of by PCI ID.
[03:07] <Viaken> teethdood: Search box works for me.
[03:08] <teethdood> I guess I should restart firefox...might have been upgraded
[03:09] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/201330
[03:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201330 in compiz "Need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting" [Medium,Triaged]
[03:11] <OasisGames> Did someone/something break FF3 in the recent update?
[03:14] <Viaken> OasisGames: Mine seems to be crashing any time flash activates...
[03:15] <OasisGames> Mine doesn't even start, but I'm running another upgrade, saw that there was another new release (are we on beta 4 yet?)
[03:15] <Viaken> Appear to be
[03:18] <OasisGames> God, SCIM has been giving me problems all day... First it's activating some weird input method every time I go to use my keyboard, now it's giving me package errors...
[03:19] <spiderfire> OasisGames: ya i just got a package error
[03:19] <OasisGames> Someone didn't close an if block...
[03:19] <spiderfire> did you report it?
[03:22] <OasisGames> Personally, I hate scim too much after the complications I had today to take the time to report a problem on such a slow computer...
[03:33] <alteregol> again a ton of actual packets
[03:35] <bberg> has anyone hit a bug with updated packages and scim?
[03:37] <atlef> i got hit by the libc5_ bug. haven't heard of this one
[03:37] <atlef> *.libc6_
[03:38] <atlef> tried all guides in the forums, none worked for me, so i installed over my ubuntu
[03:39] <atlef> as i have seperate partitions for /boot / /home /usr /var swap, it is more or less a breeze to get it up and running again
[03:40] <atlef> but still have to say that i do not like how ff3 takes over controll, borked my ff2 profile as well. Nice to have backup
[03:46] <bberg> has anyone had an issue with software updater and scim?
[03:49] <walter> RAOF: My other system is up and running again thanks to your pointer to the /topic in this channel. Many thanks for saving me hours of work!
[03:54]  * DanaG wants a laptop with an accelerometer next time.
[03:54] <DanaG> Then I'll be able to bump my laptop to flip the cube.
[03:54] <Lilacor> hmmmmmm.....safe to upgrade now?
[03:56] <ethana2> Lilacor: think so
[03:56] <ethana2> bberg: i did
[03:56] <ethana2> ぶtいtsちllをrks
[03:56] <ethana2> ^_^
[03:56] <Lilacor> welp, if it isn't, I'll just do another VM. . .
[03:59] <jerbear> anyone using kubuntu hardy yet? how is it?
[03:59] <alteregol> scim error during configure errorcode 2
[03:59] <DanaG> ¬_¬
[03:59] <Hobbsee> alteregol: already fixed
[03:59] <Lilacor> scim bugs the hell out of me
[03:59] <Lilacor> 뭐야뭐야? ㄱ.ㄱ;;;
[04:00] <Lilacor> it freezes up my input...very often
[04:01] <alteregol> maybe in the us version
[04:05] <RAOF> walter: No problem :)
[04:05] <alteregol> i have to build up the new scumm engine
[04:06] <alteregol> because zakk is not moving anymore
[04:07] <DanaG> I ♥ SCIM, once you disable the stupid shift-space and ctrl-shift and shift-ctrl bindings.
[04:07] <coz_> hey guys, andy solutions for this firefox 3 oversized  problem.. I have been reading about it and I know I can go into about:config and chane the layout.css but that messes up many we pages as well
[04:08] <DanaG> Combined with the AltGr-Deadkeys layout, it makes it nice and easy to type things like this:  λ²
[04:12] <mitch_> i love gnoime 2.22
[04:12] <DanaG> r∠θ
[04:13] <mitch_> anyone else having weird feedback problems?
[04:13] <DanaG> SCIM is pretty cool once you unbraindeadify (yes, new word) the bindings.
[04:17] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/200719
[04:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200719 in scim "scim default trigger "shift+space" is retarded" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:20] <DanaG> Argh, damn nvidia!
[04:21] <atlef> what, what
[04:21] <atlef> tell, tell
[04:21] <virtuald> damn them to heck
[04:21] <DanaG> I just got another one of those hard lockups, and had to magic-sysrq 'k' to kill Xorg.
[04:21] <atlef> :-)
[04:21] <atlef> and we never notice the warning "beta"
[04:23] <DanaG> Damnit:  usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Could not acquire compositing manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[04:24] <conformer> has anyone else's emerald theme manager stopped working recently?
[04:24] <coz_> conformer, no  I never have problems with that    are you on gnome or kde
[04:25] <conformer> yeah i didn't either untill the last time i did the update manager
[04:25] <conformer> gnome
[04:25] <coz_> conformer, oh it could be hardy related then
[04:25] <conformer> yeah probably
[04:26] <conformer> i guess its not that big of a deal. it'll probably be fixed pretty soon
[04:26] <DanaG> Argh, I had to manually call compiz.real.
[04:27] <DanaG> And I had to do it about 3 times before it worked.
[04:28] <atlef> stik: spent most of today fixing this libc6 thingy, and i got it running again after extensive trials and errors as none of the tips worked for me
[04:28] <stik> That musta sucked
[04:29] <atlef> nah, live and learn
[04:29]  * DanaG is using xserver-xorg-core 1.4 instead of 1.4.1.
[04:29] <DanaG> ...since the latter has the key stickage.
[04:29] <atlef> as i said up and running 99% ok i think
[04:29] <stik> Only annoying thing I found was the boot splash thingy dieing half way through cause of some stupid missing file
[04:29] <RAOF> DanaG: And git-head Xserver is _annoying_ to build :(
[04:30] <RAOF> DanaG: As in: I'm yet to successfully build it.
[04:30] <stik> removed the stupid callout for it and rebuilt the image and it works now
[04:30] <stik> yeah... running alpha is looking for troubles lol
[04:30] <virtuald> im building it right now actually
[04:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, look at the actual detailed changelogs between the versions there.
[04:30] <virtuald> theres a really easy way to do it
[04:31] <atlef> although i have not rebooted yet, so im not to certain, but
[04:31] <DanaG> I am quite sick and tired of nvidia.
[04:31] <virtuald> using jhbuild, its pretty automated
[04:31] <virtuald> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/JhBuildInstructions
[04:32] <stik> scared to reboot?
[04:32] <virtuald> RAOF: the biggest problem is the lack of -dev libraries installed on ubuntu, so you need to play with it til you get all the libraries.
[04:32] <atlef> stik: no not really, every thing should be ok
[04:33] <atlef> but never know
[04:33] <stik> suprised it got as far as it did..
[04:33] <atlef> but who needs to reboot, this is linux
[04:33] <atlef> :-=
[04:34] <stik> I turn mine off every night
[04:34] <RAOF> virtuald: Well, the -dev library problem is easy... until you try for git head, which needs newer versions of everything :)
[04:34] <atlef> it all depends
[04:34] <stik> Conserve energy :P
[04:34] <atlef> im norwegian
[04:35] <stik> Any clue what that log_end_msg is anyhow?
[04:35] <virtuald> RAOF: true. i haven't had a problem *yet*, but its still building the last piece... using the jhbuild setup they have makes it a piece of cake
[04:35] <atlef> we buy co2 Quota's after gore suggested this
[04:35] <RAOF> virtuald: Yeah... but that's not going to build me a nice .deb at the end now, is it? :)
[04:35] <atlef> so i do not worry
[04:36] <stik> co2 quotas?
[04:36] <virtuald> RAOF: true. :)
[04:36] <J-_> Does Hardy automagically detect external drives? It seems mine isn't detected...
[04:36] <coz_> J-_, it does here
[04:37] <J-_> weird
[04:37] <coz_> J-_, actually let me test it hold on
[04:37] <J-_> How can I see if they're mounted?
[04:37] <J-_> s/they're/it
[04:37] <coz_> J-_, yes it is working here  gnome or kde?
[04:37] <J-_> gnome
[04:38] <coz_> J-_, places/computer    see if the driver shows up there
[04:38] <J-_> Hmm, yeah not there... I would have figured that one out =P
[04:39] <J-_> Maybe I have to make an entry in fstab
[04:39] <J-_> !fstab
[04:39] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[04:39] <coz_> J-_, is this external driver formatted in ntfs    fat   or
[04:40] <coz_> drive not driver
[04:40] <stik> I see the banshee 1.0 alpha has been released
[04:41] <J-_> ext3
[04:42] <J-_> I hope I didn't dry it. lol
[04:42] <atlef> stik: http://pastebin.ca/942026
[04:42] <J-_> I can't find anything in /media/ either.
[04:43] <atlef> so you see, i do not need to worry about the enviroment any mor
[04:43] <atlef> *more
[04:43] <atlef> Al Gore took care of that
[04:43] <stik> lol
[04:43] <stik> Still gotta pay for electricity :D
[04:44] <atlef> haha, hydro electricity, and lots of it, clean
[04:44] <atlef> cheap
[04:44] <atlef> efficient
[04:44] <atlef> but enough boasting. Id better shut up now.
[04:44] <atlef> :-)
[04:45] <stik> lol
[04:45] <atlef> or well end up with a lot of enviromental refugees
[04:45] <atlef> and who wants that
[04:46] <atlef> sorry for OT
[04:47] <atlef> stik: did you like ff 3
[04:47] <atlef> or have you installed ff2
[04:48] <stik> firefox?
[04:48] <atlef> yes
[04:48] <stik> 3 is very nice
[04:48] <stik> I might stick with ubuntu now...
[04:49] <atlef> yes, but lacks support for most extensions
[04:49] <atlef> atleast those i use
[04:49] <stik> Yeah I can't imagine that most the extensions will be updated till ff3 is officially released..
[04:50] <atlef> neither do i, but here's for hoping
[04:51] <stik> Used ubuntu long?
[04:52] <atlef> well, on and of since ohh,,, the hedgehog or maybe even before, do not remember
[04:52] <atlef> no guru though
[04:53] <atlef> but get around with the help of google and irc and patience
[04:53] <atlef> you?
[04:54] <stik> Been using slackware for like 7 years... decided to try this out...
[04:54] <stik> Building packages against slackware can be trying at times...
[04:55] <atlef> ahh, then you are a little better traveled in this world
[04:55] <atlef> i enjoy gui
[04:55] <atlef> but do not fear the command line
[04:56] <stik> I also prefer gui but couldn't live without console
[04:56] <atlef> well, i more or less am getting to the same conclusion, but the road is kinda slow
[04:57] <alteregoa> strange in supertux2 the sound appears for a few seconds, then no more
[04:57] <atlef> maybe a mixer setting?
[04:57] <stik> I remember the first time I tried linux... was redhat 4 I think... took me almost a month to get my modem to connect to the internet..
[04:58] <atlef> alteregoa: maybe it gets muted
[04:58] <atlef> stik: hehe, and wireless connections, lest ye forget
[04:59] <stik> Well by the time I got any wireless most of the bugs worked out already lol
[05:00] <Belboz99> anyone know what xorg modules are needed to get 3D accel working?
[05:00] <atlef> i think my first encounter was with linux was mandrake 9.1 or pclos
[05:00] <Belboz99> I've got an ATI HD3650 on Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 6 + the latest updates
[05:01] <stik> Can't say I ever seen anything in slackware-current bust a whole system though... Suppose glibc would but it's best to bust down to telinit1 to upgrade that stuff
[05:01] <Belboz99> atlef: my first linux experience was Mandrake 7.2 :-P
[05:01] <atlef> restricted drivers manager? or envy?
[05:01] <stik> What is mandrake now?
[05:01] <alteregoa> no, the program hang up after the sound has gone
[05:01] <coz_> no envy
[05:01] <alteregoa> mandriva
[05:01] <atlef> 2008
[05:01] <alteregoa> mandrake is mandriva or something
[05:01] <stik> Thats right..
[05:02] <stik> I think I tried mandrake 7.x
[05:02] <stik> I used redhat for 5 years then switched to slackware... used that till just recently
[05:02] <Belboz99> anyway, I'm only getting 6,500FPS in glxgears, I'm suspicious because it's eating 100% of my CPU core0
[05:03] <DanaG> !glxgears
[05:03] <ubotu> To display the FPS in glxgears, run 'glxgears -printfps' in a terminal.
[05:03] <DanaG> okay, not what I had intended.
[05:03] <DanaG> glxgears is not a real benchmark.
[05:03] <Belboz99> right, but wine games  have issues too, like really really sluggish problems
[05:03] <Belboz99> and they crash :(
[05:03] <atlef> Belboz99:  this is what i get in synaptic http://pastebin.ca/942041
[05:04] <atlef> searching for xorg
[05:04] <atlef> but nvidia though on my end
[05:04] <Belboz99> atlef: thanks, but I was more wondering if I should be using the dri, glx, etc modules in xorg.conf
[05:05] <atlef> oh, right
[05:05] <stik> I have no clue about ati stuff
[05:05] <strabes> In firefox 3 beta 4, anyone know anything about "Show My Windows and Tabs from Last Time" not working?
[05:05] <atlef> better pay attention
[05:06] <Belboz99> btw, anyone have troubles with updates tonight?
[05:06] <stik> That was one thing nice about ubuntu... not having to tweak out my xorg file
[05:06] <Belboz99> I had a problem with scim
[05:06] <stik> I removed scim
[05:06] <Belboz99> someone did a poor job of scripting that one
[05:07] <Belboz99> well, all it needed was putting a fi in the right place
[05:07] <stik> wth is it for anyhow... kept interupting me when playing wow
[05:07] <Belboz99> the done was in the wrong place too, but that was more coder's eddiquitte than anything else
[05:07] <Belboz99> have no idea
[05:07] <atlef> stik: so do i
[05:08] <Belboz99> you guys using Wine without issue?
[05:08] <stik> I haven't had any issues but I play a well supported game...
[05:08] <atlef> just tried it with fulltilt poker client, runs great for me
[05:09] <DanaG> Hmm, there is a benchmark called "glest"
[05:09] <ethana2> yarr
[05:09] <ethana2> the keyboard code is so messed up...
[05:09] <DanaG> oopsie, that's a game, not a benchmark.
[05:10] <atlef> saw that
[05:10] <atlef> dang, a fried just recommended last.fm to me and, man it rock
[05:11] <atlef> i know im late to the whole thing, but it is great
[05:11] <atlef> *friend
[05:11] <ethana2> testing
[05:11] <ethana2> ok, good, it switched layouts
[05:12] <atlef> wrong charset?
[05:13] <stik> Welp Nite folks... And Devs... keep up the good work...
[05:14] <atlef> nite
[05:14] <atlef> well actualli it is 6.15 am but what the hell good night :-)
[05:14] <atlef> *actually
[05:15] <atlef> as you all can se from my dyslectic writing
[05:15] <atlef> *see
[05:15] <atlef> man, coffee coming up
[05:16] <DanaG> Aaaaargh!
[05:17] <DanaG> I am damn sick and tired of nvidia lockups.
[05:17] <atlef> during games?
[05:19] <atlef> what does the hdparm under services actually do?
[05:25] <DanaG> I'm not in a game; I'm just on the desktop.
[05:26] <atlef> oh
[05:26] <atlef> not good
[05:27] <atlef> exatly what happens
[05:27] <atlef> *exactly
[05:27] <atlef> man, i need spellchecking
[05:27] <atlef> really bad
[05:27] <atlef> :-)
[05:29] <DanaG> AAaaaaaaaargh, it just happened again!
[05:29] <DanaG> The desktop just hard locks and stops responding to anything; the mouse still moves but can't click anything, and the keyboard is dead.
[05:31] <atlef> compiz on)
[05:31] <atlef> compiz?
[05:32] <DanaG> Yup.
[05:32] <atlef> maybe turn off or down effects
[05:33] <atlef> see if it does not make it a bit more stable
[05:37] <DanaG> !info amoeba
[05:37] <ubotu> amoeba (source: amoeba): fast-paced, polished OpenGL demonstration by Excess. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1-19 (hardy), package size 91 kB, installed size 276 kB
[05:38] <Amaranth> Turning off compiz is almost certainly going to 'fix' your problem
[05:38] <Amaranth> Until you run a really intense 3D game or something and have it happen there too
[05:38] <Amaranth> nvidia is t3h suck
[05:38] <DanaG> It's probably due to me using XOrg 1.4.
[05:39] <Amaranth> no, we're all using that
[05:39] <DanaG> or rather, xserver-xorg-core.
[05:39] <DanaG> 1.4.1 is current.
[05:39] <Amaranth> oh, you built something newer than what is in hardy?
[05:39] <DanaG> The 1.4 base is the last one to not have the keyboard stuckage; however, which is worse: stuck keys, or locked up?
[05:39] <DanaG> !info xserver-xorg-core
[05:39] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-core (source: xorg-server): Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 3980 kB, installed size 10880 kB
[05:40] <Amaranth> ah, not 1.5.1
[05:40] <Amaranth> err 1.4.1
[05:40] <Amaranth> but we all have that one :)
[05:40] <Amaranth> I get completely random lockups
[05:40] <Amaranth> Sometimes 3 an hour, sometimes one every 3 weeks
[05:40] <DanaG> wtf?  openoffice doesn't minimize from its taskbar icon.
[05:41] <Amaranth> I haven't seen one in almost a month but that doesn't mean they're gone although I am hopeful
[05:43] <casa> is it safe to update hardy now?
[05:43]  * DanaG wonders how ATI (closed or open) will compare by June.
[05:44] <atlef> depends on your definition of "safe" but i think so
[05:44] <mesilliac> casa: probably as safe as it ever is...
[05:45] <DanaG> Stupid openoffice doesn't minimize.
[05:45] <casa> I heard there was a problem with the upgrade in the afternoon
[05:45] <atlef> im still up and running after a rather strenous borked install that i had to fix
[05:46] <casa> hey and what about the audio, I just installed hardy and the audio is not working
[05:46] <atlef> but some bugs get fixed and others appear
[05:46] <atlef> checked mixer settings that nothing is muted
[05:48] <DanaG> Argfh, openoffice doesn't focus the document on task-switch.
[05:49] <DanaG> Or maybe it's Metacity doing that.  Or rather, NOT doing it.
[05:50] <atlef> DanaG: what whould we do without bugs to iron out, get out and about. No thx
[05:50] <atlef> :-)
[05:51] <atlef> i have started to enjoy things chrashing, in kind of a s/m way, kinky i know
[05:54] <Amaranth> casa: update and see if your audio is fixed
[05:54] <Amaranth> there was a kernel that broke audio completely at one point
[05:54] <Amaranth> it should be 'safe' to update now
[05:55] <Amaranth> or at least as safe as the rest of the hardy dev cycle has been, no known major system killers :)
[05:55] <l815> why don't my back and forward buttons work with epiphany (mouse)?
[05:56] <casa> uhm, what that installation that is possible to do when windows is runnig?
[05:56] <Amaranth> same reason they don't work in firefox
[05:56] <Amaranth> casa: wubi?
[05:56] <casa> Amaranth, yes, whats that?
[05:56] <l815> they did work in firefox until i installed epiphany!
[05:56] <atlef> has xorg.conf changed?
[05:57] <Amaranth> l815: no, they just broke in firefox 3 b4
[05:57] <Amaranth> casa: it installs to a file on the windows partition
[05:57] <l815> Amaranth, you mean from recent updates?
[05:57] <Amaranth> l815: yes
[05:57] <l815> Amaranth, ok thanks
[05:59] <J-_> what gstreamer plugin do I need to play mp3's in exaile with?
[06:00] <atlef> have you installed ubuntu restricted extras or do you only want the mp3 one
[06:00] <atlef> ?
[06:01] <atlef> J-_: ?
[06:06] <Amaranth> J-_: just install them all :)
[06:07] <J-_> I think I found out what I did. I installed the xubuntu restricted extras instead of Ubuntu restricted extras
[06:07]  * J-_ curses
[06:07] <atlef> nice
[06:07] <J-_> =)
[06:08] <J-_> thanks
[06:08] <Amaranth> yeah, i think that just pulls in xine and junk
[06:08] <atlef> welcome
[06:11] <gan> i am getting error , when i run the livecd through qemu " unable to find a medium containing live filesystem "
[06:14] <atlef> if i want to change theme in gnome, i just go to gnome-look.org, download gdm-theme or what?
[06:15] <manatatas> I wish they incorporated awn in the final release
[06:15] <atlef> and i wish they excluded ff3 but thats me
[06:15] <J-_> atlef: yes
[06:15] <atlef> to the theme thingy
[06:16] <atlef> J-_: ?
[06:16] <gan> i am getting error , when i run the livecd through qemu " unable to find a medium containing live filesystem "
[06:16] <manatatas> atlef: download the theme, right click on the desktop, select "change desktop backround", then select the theme tab..
[06:16] <atlef> ok
[06:17] <J-_> atlef: about the gnome theme question. go to system > preferences > appearance in the menu
[06:17] <manatatas> chose the install button, then select your file..
[06:17] <atlef> but gdm theme or
[06:17] <atlef> for gnome i mean
[06:17] <J-_> hold on
[06:17] <J-_> I haven't did that in a long time
[06:17] <J-_> !gdm
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <J-_> figured there would have been a factoid. =P
[06:18] <Amaranth> manatatas: awn is crack
[06:18] <atlef> hmm
[06:18] <Amaranth> the apple dock is not a good design, why do you think copying it will be a good design?
[06:18] <atlef> scratch bold spot
[06:19] <Amaranth> atlef: System->Administration->Login Window
[06:19] <atlef> so what is the desktop theme
[06:19] <atlef> gtk2
[06:20] <Amaranth> that's the widgets and such
[06:20] <Amaranth> metacity is the compiz and metacity window borders
[06:20] <l815> atlef, you will have to add the same theme folder to /usr/share/themes or else root programs won't use the theme
[06:20] <J-_> go to system > admin > login window(I think it is) but it's not showing up for some reason. atlef
[06:20] <Amaranth> l815: or just stick it in /root/.themes
[06:20] <Amaranth> i actually symlink /root/.themes to my ~/.themes :)
[06:21] <atlef> yes, so there are som to chose from here but ill give it a go
[06:21] <atlef> *some
[06:21] <atlef> *choose
[06:21] <J-_> atlef: previous versions of ubuntu you could just drag and drop the gdm themes. Not sure about now.
[06:22] <atlef> i wanted to change the desktop theme
[06:22]  * J-_ facepalms
[06:23] <Amaranth> atlef: define "desktop"
[06:23] <Amaranth> atlef: there are several components you can theme separately
[06:23] <Amaranth> the main three for the desktop are gtk2, icon, and metacity
[06:23] <atlef> what i look at now
[06:23] <J-_> !theme
[06:23] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:23] <J-_> that should take care of it =)
[06:24] <atlef> i am logged in and want to change theme
[06:24] <virtuald> question: anyone know what formath the diff.gz files are on launchpad for packages?
[06:24] <virtuald> format*
[06:24] <crdlb> gzipped diff?
[06:25] <atlef> metacity
[06:25] <atlef> gtk1.x
[06:25] <atlef> im not sure i get it
[06:25] <virtuald> crdlb: yeah, but using patch on the files doesn't work
[06:25] <virtuald> crdlb: yes, after gunzipping
[06:26] <virtuald> theres headers indicating the filenames, similar to an SVN patch
[06:28] <virtuald> for example: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/0.8.7-3ubuntu1
[06:29] <Amaranth> virtuald: that's a diff to turn the upstream source into something you can build as a debian package
[06:29] <Amaranth> basically it's all the packaging
[06:30] <Amaranth> and it does apply using patch
[06:30] <virtuald> what flags?
[06:30] <Amaranth> -p1
[06:30] <Amaranth> better to snag the orig.tar.gz and .dsc files too
[06:30] <atlef> ok got it
[06:30] <Amaranth> then run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc and it'll do the work for you
[06:30] <atlef> the theme thing
[06:31] <l815> :D
[06:31] <virtuald> Amaranth: awesome, thx
[06:32] <atlef> will a metacity theme work under compiz or will you need a compiz theme
[06:32] <crdlb> atlef: gtk-window-decorator will use your metacity theme
[06:33] <atlef> im sorry, im slow and do not get it, will try some searching
[06:33] <Amaranth> atlef: you want a metacity theme
[06:33] <Amaranth> compiz uses metacity themes
[06:34] <Amaranth> crdlb: don't explain the details or exceptions :P
[06:34] <atlef> there are to many choices when you are free
[06:34] <atlef> thx
[06:34] <atlef> never used it, even thoug i have used linux for some time
[06:35] <atlef> never saw the point, but now im thinking of gtkrecordmydesktop and present it to my family
[06:35] <dankee> hello, does anyone know if there is a problem with hardy heron and intel 810/850 graphics chipsets?
[06:42] <cwillu> dankee, there's stuff going on there afaik, not sure that anything is actually broken
[06:42] <cwillu> anybody know if ivtv is working again?
[06:47] <cwillu> !info ivtv
[06:47] <ubotu> Package ivtv does not exist in hardy
[06:48] <cwillu> !info firefox
[06:48] <ubotu> firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 61 kB, installed size 128 kB
[07:17] <cwillu> :/
[07:17] <Ng> has anyone else updated in the last few hours and had the scim package fail to install?
[07:17] <cwillu> Ng, I updated two machines about 6 hours ago, no problems, I've got another one updating right now, I'll let you know when it finishes
[07:17] <Ng> ok
[07:17] <Ng> I just did my laptop and the postinst is missing a fi
[07:18] <cwillu> Ng, didn't disable it previously did you?
[07:18] <cwillu> Is gvfs supposed to be stable for most operations?  (i.e., sftp?()
[07:19] <Ng> cwillu: nothing to do with the disabling, it's just a syntax error in the postinst script
[07:19] <cwillu> ah, neat
[07:19] <RAOF> cwillu: Yes.  You should be able to use sftp, ftp, samba etc fine.
[07:19] <cwillu> I'm still getting hangs during pretty much any large transfer
[07:20] <cwillu> local -> sftp
[07:20] <cwillu> network doesn't drop out as far as I can tell, eventually I get a dbus timeout
[07:24] <cwillu> haven't been able to find a better way to reproduce other than 'copy a bunch of stuff around'
[07:25] <cwillu_> subsequently, no sftp transfers work at all (opening the remote host causes nautilus to hang)
[07:27] <cwillu_> just trying it again (failed at about 800mb of 12gb, couple thousand files)
[07:28] <cwillu_> Ng, almost done the update
[07:28] <Ng> cwillu_: it's ok, I found there's a bug in launchpad already, it only happens with specific versions
[07:28] <cwillu_> okay
[07:29] <Ng> thanks though :)
[07:31] <Amaranth> Ng: already fixed :)
[07:31] <Ng> yeah :)
[07:31]  * Ng tsks at slangasek ;)
[07:32] <J-_> cwillu_: try opening nautilus, Go menu > location > type in the ssh location. It worked for me
[07:33] <J-_> that was a few days ago though, something might have changed since then
[07:46] <gan> the created livecd is making problem if i boot through qemu but working fine if i boot from cd, why?
[07:49] <oxigen> my libc bug look larger than just libc, so how can i find other latest deb's here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net
[07:49] <oxigen> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11109997/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_amd64.deb <- isn't enough
[07:53]  * oxigen just don't want to resign yet..
[08:00] <oxigen> i wonder if i can use also commands like: sudo chroot /mnt apt-get ...
[08:09] <undu> ok, so what repo do I need to change and to what in sources.list to get xubuntu 8.04 alpha 6 instead of xubuntu 7.10 when using apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <undu> or is it named differently
[08:15] <qzio> libc6 fixed - hurray
[08:16] <qzio> to bad something in the new upgrade forced me to restart my ssystem
[08:16] <qzio> it works now, but after the update, before the restart, nothing worked, firefox died silently etc
[08:17] <J-_> qzio: at least you could restart, and it worked.. I had to format, I didn't know how to update wit hthe livecd, and it wouldn't let me do anything in a tty
[08:17] <J-_> =)
[08:19] <oxigen> ok, i have more interesting libc question :) can i use commands like; mount -o bind /proc /media/disk/proc; cp /proc/mounts /media/disk/etc/mtab; with ubuntu 6.10 or i need to execute it with live cd?
[08:20] <oxigen> live cd = 8.04
[08:20] <RAOF> oxigen: That seems like a strange thing to try to do.
[08:20] <RAOF> What are you actually trying to do? :)
[08:21] <oxigen> rescue my system! :)
[08:21] <RAOF> And /topic doesn't work?
[08:21] <oxigen> no
[08:21] <oxigen> now i read : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4506738#post4506738
[08:21] <oxigen> and try to follow
[08:22] <oxigen> but i'm afraid that i will broke it even more :/
[08:22] <RAOF> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-March/000401.html is a better idea.  Also, there was a better fix for it on the 1st page of that thread.
[08:23]  * RAOF doesn't quite understand why so many people duplicated a fix in, like, the 3rd post of that thread.
[08:28] <oxigen> RAOF: thanks ... i tried that already yes, but still missing some steps, i guess something like: apt-get -f install
[08:29] <RAOF> No.
[08:29] <oxigen> hmm
[08:30] <RAOF> The libc bug meant that nothing _at all_ worked; the fix was to manually copy a working version of the library to your hardy partition.
[08:32] <oxigen> but in my case apt reported some other errors too (plz dont ask me what :)
[08:33] <oxigen> so now i have new libc on hardy but i still can't boot
[08:34] <oxigen> so what to do in my case (which is probably a bit different)?
[08:34] <RAOF> Uuuum....
[08:35] <oxigen> so why you are against apt-get -f install?
[08:35] <RAOF> Oh, I'm not.
[08:35] <RAOF> But it wouldn't work if you had the libc problem :)
[08:35] <oxigen> aham, ok :)
[08:35] <RAOF> Because apt-get would segfault :)
[08:35] <oxigen> aa, ok! :)
[08:36] <oxigen> you know my main q now is if i can run all this commands from 6.10 or do i need to run live cd?
[08:37] <RAOF> From 6.10 should be OK, as long as you chroot into your Hardy system.
[08:37] <RAOF> (because then it'll be using all the Hardy stuff anyway)
[08:37] <oxigen> probably i need to use live cd, because i could do: chroot /mnt dpkg --configure -a
[08:37] <oxigen> with 6.10
[08:38] <oxigen> *couldn't :)
[08:38] <oxigen> anyway, i'll try now..
[08:39] <oxigen> thanks RAOF!
[08:40] <oxigen> yea, in 6.10 i get: chroot: cannot run command `dpkg': Exec format error
[08:41] <oxigen> please guys put in live cd xchat instead of, let's say pidgin, irc is more useful!
[08:41] <RAOF> Oh, it isn't already?  Just install it :)
[08:41] <RAOF> oxigen: How about "chroot /mnt"?
[08:42] <oxigen> cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[08:42] <RAOF> oxigen: Right, something's heavily crazy.
[08:42] <oxigen> :)
[08:42] <RAOF> You don't have a 32bit 6.10 and a 64bit Hardy, do you?
[08:42] <oxigen> yea :)
[08:43] <RAOF> Oh.  That's never going to work.
[08:43] <oxigen> ok
[08:43] <RAOF> You can't run 64bit code under a 32bit kernel :)
[08:43] <oxigen> yes, i c now..
[08:44] <RAOF> LiveCD for you!
[08:46] <oxigen> LiveCD dont have IRC! so, i can't say, see you from LiveCD :(
[08:46] <oxigen> :)
[08:47] <RAOF> Just apt-get install xchat
[08:47] <orvokki> irssi ftw!
[08:47] <RAOF> Well, that too :)
[08:48] <oxigen> irssi? what's that?
[08:48]  * orvokki gives an aplaud for the libc6 fixage
[08:49] <orvokki> oxigen: Ncurses powered IRC client that's very possibly the most common used one.
[08:49]  * oxigen didn't know that
[08:49]  * DanaG uses finch when needing console IRC.
[08:50] <orvokki> Needing? I just leave it running on a server and use ssh when in need it. ;>
[09:03] <DanaG> Oh, how I hate nvidia.
[09:03] <DanaG> That's approximately the 5th lockup today.
[09:06] <atlef> not getting anywhere
[09:07] <atlef> what about turning of compiz or did you try
[09:08] <DanaG> Eeh, somehow it's more openoffice PLUS compiz, perhaps.
[09:09] <atlef> that probably makes it harder to figure out, or
[09:11] <_KAMI_> Hi!
[09:11] <Adys> Anyone else getting only 404s on update fetching since this morning?
[09:12] <Adys> Im on the french mirrors
[09:12] <_KAMI_>  I found that IcedTea 7 crashes when I want to surf to Java ebabled webpage
[09:12] <tonyyarusso> What on earth is 'scrollkeeper-update'?
[09:12] <_KAMI_>  I am using 8.04 alpha / 64 b
[09:12] <_KAMI_> Is this bug is known?
[09:13] <atlef> no problems here
[09:13] <atlef> 32bit though
[09:14] <_KAMI_> atlef: Nice to hear that
[09:14] <_KAMI_> so it might be 64 depended
[09:14] <atlef> maybe, or busy
[09:15] <atlef> but now i'm scared to install the 12 updates that show upp after yesterdays bug, libc6_
[09:15] <atlef> patience
[09:16] <atlef> i said patience
[09:16] <savvas> atlef: apt-cache policy libc6
[09:16] <atlef> settle down boy, do not update,,,  nooooo...
[09:16] <atlef> :-)
[09:16] <savvas> if it's equal or greater to that in /topic, it's ok :P
[09:16] <atlef> chrash
[09:17] <_KAMI_> What was the problem
[09:17] <_KAMI_> ?
[09:17] <atlef> gotta love alpha
[09:17] <atlef> see topic
[09:18] <atlef> anyone used remastersys?
[09:33] <amon__> hi guys, i jst woke up and now i'm doing my updates, wish me luck
[09:34] <Ng> who needs luck?
[09:34] <Ng> you just need some skill and non-production hardware :)
[09:35] <amon__> hehe, got that
[09:35] <amon__> in the end i'm quite productive on it
[09:36] <atlef> haha
[09:36] <atlef> work work all day
[09:37] <atlef> doing a remastersys backup now.
[09:37] <amon__> and even in alpha i don't have to reboot as often as i would with winxp
[09:37] <atlef> hehe
[09:37] <oxigen> woohoo, i'm back!! \o/
[09:38]  * oxigen feel much better now!
[09:38] <atlef> just booted vista after ubuntu chrashed, updated 4 updates and had to reboot twice i think
[09:38] <savvas> atlef: the updates are ok by the way :P
[09:38] <amon__> hehe
[09:38] <savvas> $ apt-cache policy scim
[09:38] <savvas> scim: Installed: 1.4.7-3ubuntu4 Candidate: 1.4.7-3ubuntu4
[09:38] <atlef> maybe for you
[09:38] <atlef> :-)
[09:40] <atlef> now the only thing missing is to go over to 64bit as i have upgrade to 4gb ram
[09:40] <atlef> *upgraded
[09:40] <savvas> what's scim for? to type and read weird characters?
[09:40] <atlef> yes
[09:41] <AnAnt> savvas: just to type
[09:41] <atlef> i think the japanese and chinese need it
[09:41] <AnAnt> atlef: I heard that it is mainly for them
[09:41] <_KAMI_> savvas: I have exactly same problem
[09:41] <atlef> see
[09:41] <_KAMI_> Now I configured it the int is ok
[09:42] <_KAMI_> select english istead of RAW CODE
[09:42] <atlef> wow, remastersys draws alot of your power
[09:42] <atlef> 2*100% cpu usage
[09:42] <atlef> getting warmer
[09:51] <DanaG> I like using the Latex method.
[09:51] <DanaG> Instead of saying "xoxoxo", you can say "♡♥♡♥♡♥ ".
[09:51] <Johan-_> after the last upgrade I'm not able to login, some error about malloc, it that the same error as the one in the topic?
[09:52] <DanaG> Yup.
[09:52] <Johan-_> good good .)
[09:52] <Johan-_> :)
[09:52] <DanaG> r∠Θ
[09:53] <DanaG> SCIM is cool once you disable the stupid default keybindings.
[09:54] <atlef> if it ticles your fancy, then go ahead
[09:56] <atlef> sorry not trying to be rude
[09:59] <atlef> so remastersys done, im ready to boldly go where a few of you have allready been, sudo apt-get update
[09:59] <atlef> wish me luck
[10:04] <atlef> so if im still talking to you, should i consider it a success? or do i have to venture into unknown territory and reboot?
[10:04] <atlef> shudders
 SCIM is cool once you disable the stupid default keybindings., -- you forget to hide that stupid bar
[10:11] <atlef> ok a dreaded restart is required, see you on the other side
[10:14] <oxigen> from now on, i'll first read topic posted here before any apt-get upgrade
[10:15] <savvas> heh
[10:16] <oxigen> but, ok, this time was happy end :)
[10:18] <oxigen> from #ubuntustudio : does anybody know if gnome 2.22 will get integrated in hardy? Guess it's a bit late for that, but I thought that ubuntu is somewhat in sync with the gnome release cycle and always uses the latest
[10:18] <oxigen> i guess not
[10:18] <oxigen> oh, it is already! :)
[10:18] <RAOF> oxigen: Yes, Hardy will have Gnome 2.22
[10:19] <RAOF> oxigen: Indeed.
[10:20] <UB`> Hardy HAS gnome 2.22 :)
[10:21] <FreezeS> hey guys
[10:21] <FreezeS> my last update broke gnome
[10:21] <FreezeS> now I can't install the keyring manager
[10:22] <savvas> UB`: i think we don't have all the 2.22 apps
[10:22] <UB`> not all but a lot
[10:22] <UB`> FreezeS what's the problem?
[10:23] <FreezeS> UB`: Package gnome-keyring-manager is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:23] <FreezeS> and because of that I can't install the gnome-desktop-environment
[10:23] <UB`> FreezeS sorry but what are you trying to do ?
[10:24] <FreezeS> UB`: well, the last update removed some packages and now gnome doesn't start (I'm on KDE right now). When trying to install it, I'm getting that problem
[10:25] <UB`> strange I just update and I havent' any problem
[10:25] <UB`> I'm on Gnome
[10:25] <FreezeS> oh, I'm on 64 bit (forgot to mention that)
[10:25] <UB`> ah
[10:25] <savvas> $ apt-cache policy gnome-keyring-manager
[10:25] <savvas> gnome-keyring-manager: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none)
[10:25] <savvas> don't have such an app? :\
[10:26] <savvas> FreezeS: you might want to try seahorse?
[10:26] <UB`> FreezeS do you use the offical repo or a mirror?
[10:26] <FreezeS> savvas: seahorse is installed and updated
[10:27] <UB`> may be the mirrors aren't synced yet
[10:27] <FreezeS> my problem is that the installation of gnome-desktop-environment fails
[10:27] <savvas> FreezeS: then you probably have a keyring manager
[10:27] <FreezeS> and this is since 3 days already
[10:27] <FreezeS> gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-keyring-manager (>= 2.20.0) but it is not installable
[10:27] <savvas> try ubuntu-desktop
[10:28] <savvas> wait, you're using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[10:28] <FreezeS> savvas: that seems to be working
[10:28] <KrimZon> i cant seem to install or remove any packages now - some error about cupsys, and hplip and some other thing
[10:28] <FreezeS> I'm using a hibrid
[10:28] <FreezeS> started with ubuntu, but after the upgrate gnome failed to start and I was thrown on the command line
[10:28] <FreezeS> there I installed kde
[10:29] <savvas> FreezeS: hum, ok, then do this: sudo apt-get -f install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard ubuntu-desktop
[10:29] <FreezeS> savvas: ubuntu-desktop is installing right now
[10:29] <savvas> very well, then install the other two afterwards :)
[10:30] <FreezeS> thanks :)
[10:30] <savvas> let's just hope it does the trick
[10:30] <FreezeS> by the number of installed packages, it looks like it will work
[10:30] <savvas> :P
[10:31] <savvas> i'm surprised you removed it
[10:31] <FreezeS> yes, I wasn't very carefull, but as I remember only about 3 packets were initially removed
[10:31] <savvas> when you're removing packages, check what other packages are removed, if you see ubuntu-something, then you shouldn't
[10:32] <FreezeS> then while I was trying to fix it, some others were removed
[10:32] <KrimZon> http://rafb.net/p/phTiXj83.html
[10:32] <FreezeS> now let's see
[10:32] <FreezeS> brb
[10:33] <oxigen> i also use gnome/kde hybrid, because no one can beat konqueror!
[10:33] <savvas> KrimZon: i have 1.3.6-1ubuntu2 installed with no problems
[10:34] <savvas> KrimZon: try this: sudo apt-get autoclean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install --reinstall cupsys
[10:35] <KrimZon> same error
[10:36] <KrimZon> i think i'm not properly fixed after getting the system to boot after the libc6 problem
[10:38] <KrimZon> i tried manually copying the package files at one point
[10:38] <savvas> hm..
[10:39] <savvas> KrimZon: did you reinstall the libc6 afterwards?
[10:39] <KrimZon> yeah, i updated
[10:39] <savvas> there shouldn't be a problem :\
[10:40] <KrimZon> when i saw that it was the ubuntu2 version rather than ubuntu1
[10:40] <KrimZon> maybe it wants me to reboot
[10:40] <oxigen> heh
[10:40] <FreezeS> savvas: it worked, thanks :)
[10:40] <FreezeS> I'm back on gnome
[10:40] <savvas> great :)
[10:40] <savvas> KrimZon: amd64 or i386 ?
[10:40] <KrimZon> i386
[10:41] <KrimZon> i think i get the cupsys error trying to upgrade libc6
[10:41] <oxigen> KrimZon: reboot usually help after such a drastic upgrades, you have new kernel too, right?
[10:41] <KrimZon> it could be because i copied the fixed libc6 files over manually, then when that didnt work, reverted to older ones with the initramd boot thing
[10:42] <KrimZon> i dont know if i updated the kernel or not
[10:42] <savvas> KrimZon: check out the /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:43] <KrimZon> what should i look for?
[10:44] <savvas> how about this: grep -i "status installed libc6" /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:45] <savvas> check the last lines for errors
[10:45] <savvas> er
[10:45] <savvas> *also, check the last lines for errors
[10:46] <savvas> it usually says which packages failed and why
[10:47] <KrimZon> hmm
[10:48] <KrimZon> apparently i've installed it lots
[10:48] <savvas> neah, libc6 is triggered everytime you install something
[10:50] <savvas> KrimZon: can you upload this? cat /var/log/dpkg.log | tail
[10:50] <KrimZon> is tail the last 30 or so lines?
[10:51] <savvas> cat /var/log/dpkg.log | tail -n 30
[10:51] <savvas> :P
[10:52] <KrimZon> http://rafb.net/p/iXkEeT42.html
[10:52] <KrimZon> i had it in gedit already, so i copied from there
[10:56] <user5> hi
[10:56] <user5> ciao
[10:56] <user5> someone using xvidcap on kubuntu 804?
[10:57] <user5> I have some problem in configuration testing zero
[10:58] <user5> :(
[11:05] <savvas> KrimZon: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cupsys/cupsys_1.3.6-1ubuntu2_i386.deb; sudo dpkg -i cupsys_1.3.6-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:05] <Johan--> after rebooting my computer fails on "setting sensors limits" and "starting firestater firewall" and then stopes on "starting system log daemon..." for a couple of minutes. Then it starts to print alot of error messages about network something. After that it hangs on a black screen with a grafical thinking mouse. Any ideas?
[11:06] <savvas> Johan--: have you tried to remove firestarter?
[11:06] <Johan--> no
[11:06] <savvas> well remove it, see if that's what's causing your problems
[11:06] <Johan--> I hade the problem with libc before, but it seems to be fixed since I can login without gui
[11:07] <Johan--> shit
[11:07] <Johan--> I cant use apt
[11:07] <savvas> did you upgrade to the working version of libc6 after that?
[11:07] <Johan--> :|
[11:07] <savvas> sudo aptitude purge firestarter
[11:07] <Johan--> savvas: just replaced it with the one from init and now here I am
[11:08] <savvas> ah
[11:08] <savvas> hehe
[11:08] <Johan--> have I missed something?
[11:08] <savvas> Johan--: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[11:08] <Johan--> 64
[11:08] <KrimZon> savvas: still get the error
[11:08] <KrimZon> i'll paste that too
[11:08] <savvas> ok
[11:09] <Johan--> savvas: any ideas on whats wrong?
[11:09] <KrimZon> http://rafb.net/p/fk00Bv94.html
[11:09] <savvas> Johan--: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2_amd64.deb; sudo dpkg -i libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[11:10] <savvas> KrimZon: try remove it: dpkg -r cupsys
[11:11] <savvas> Johan--: tell me when you do that
[11:11] <KrimZon> dependency problems...
[11:12] <Johan--> savvas: trying to type the url correct :)
[11:13] <savvas> KrimZon: okay, this is not recommended, but if you'd like to try it: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends cupsys; sudo dpkg -i cupsys_1.3.6-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:14] <KrimZon> aha, i uninstalled it with package manager, and i'm just reinstalling it
[11:15] <savvas> great
[11:15] <KrimZon> it uninstalled the dependencies, which i was worried about before
[11:15] <savvas> we can fix that: sudo apt-get -f install :)
[11:16] <Johan--> savvas: one more problem, internet doesn't work
[11:16] <KrimZon> one was ubuntu-desktop, but it turned out to only be a meta package
[11:16] <savvas> Johan--: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:16] <KrimZon> so i just reinstalled that and it included cups in it
[11:17] <KrimZon> but cupsys still doesnt reinstall
[11:17] <savvas> KrimZon: so now..
[11:17] <savvas> oh
[11:17] <Johan--> savvas: don't think it workes. Get a lot of Backtrace errors from /lib/libc.so.6
[11:17] <KrimZon> it gives the same error message
[11:20] <savvas> Johan--: you'll have to load a live cd, mount your root partition, and download the package file http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[11:21] <Johan--> savvas: I''ll try with a usb-stick first :)
[11:21] <savvas> ah
[11:21] <savvas> wanted to recommend that, but didn't know if you're up to it :P
[11:22] <savvas> KrimZon: apt-cache policy sysv-rc
[11:22] <savvas> sysv-rc: Installed: 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu40 Candidate: 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu40
[11:22] <savvas> is it the same?
[11:24] <KrimZon> http://rafb.net/p/4s8qCe90.html
[11:24] <KrimZon> it mentions different versions
[11:24] <savvas> heh
[11:25] <savvas> KrimZon: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/sysvinit/sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu40_all.deb; dpkg -i sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu40_all.deb
[11:25] <savvas> er
[11:25] <savvas> KrimZon: sudo dpkg -i sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu40_all.deb
[11:25] <Johan--> savvas: but I dont have the rights to mount and I cant use sudo
[11:26] <Johan--> that couses an error
[11:26] <FreezeS> is there a way to make SHIFT+SPACE work properly ?
[11:26] <KrimZon> savvas: that works :)
[11:26] <savvas> Johan--: then... live cd :) I have a guide on how to chroot and fix it if you want
[11:27] <savvas> KrimZon: ok, now sudo apt-get -f install
[11:27] <FreezeS> just found the solution (SCIM)
[11:27] <Johan--> savvas: yes please :)
[11:28] <KrimZon> i reinstalled unbuntu-desktop and all the dependencies worked
[11:28] <savvas> Johan--: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4506738#post4506738
[11:28] <Johan--> thanks
[11:28] <KrimZon> savvas: thanks :)
[11:29] <savvas> Johan--: it's for the libc6 problem, i think it'll help you a lot
[11:29] <savvas> n/p <all> :P
[11:29] <FreezeS> I have a problem on my home server, I upgraded from gutsy to hardy (32 bit) and now I can't unlock the user manager, the icon is grayed
[11:30] <savvas> I should ask from the ubuntu to be paid for this superior-quality and yet down-to-earth support heheh
[11:30] <FreezeS> savvas: you're not getting paid ?
[11:30] <savvas> why should i? :)
[11:30] <FreezeS> dunno, my first impresion was that you're from the dev team :)
[11:30] <savvas> i get favours, when i'm in a bad position, someone always helps out
[11:31] <Hobbsee> FreezeS: a lot of hte dev team isn't paid either..
[11:31] <savvas> I'm not that leet :P
[11:31] <savvas> and here's the hobbs legend :)
[11:31] <savvas> she's a dev and a motu if i'm not mistaken
[11:32] <FreezeS> at least the employees of Canonical I assume are getting paid
[11:32] <vistakiller> hi anyone with kubuntu hardy?
[11:32] <FreezeS> (what's a motu?)
[11:33] <vistakiller> master of the universe
[11:33] <FreezeS> :))
[11:33] <savvas> (they maintain packages in universe, masters of the universe)
[11:33] <FreezeS> interesting choice of words
[11:34] <savvas> i know, i loved it the first time i heard about it too :)
[11:34] <FreezeS> anyway, master of the universe sounds a lot cooler than "Master of unstable-testing"
[11:34] <vistakiller> anyone with kubuntu here?
[11:34] <FreezeS> I have it, but as a backup only
[11:35] <FreezeS> don't really like it
[11:36] <Hobbsee> hi savvas.  you're correct.  i'm core dev, motu, and a few other bits and pieces
[11:36] <Hobbsee> FreezeS: the canonical people are, yes.
[11:38] <vistakiller> in kubuntu the new tool desktop effects is not working correct if you have check the option to remember the system the last season
[11:38] <savvas> FreezeS: about the greyed problem.. try this: sudo echo test
[11:39] <vistakiller> the compiz is running first at the login screen
[11:39] <FreezeS> savvas: unfortunately the server is shut down at the moment, but if you can give me some pointers on what to search for it would be great
[11:39] <vistakiller> and then is try to running again and is crash
[11:40] <savvas> FreezeS: well i thought maybe your user is not in the admin group: cat /etc/group | grep admin
[11:41] <FreezeS> savvas: I can run sudo su
[11:42] <FreezeS> and can do administrative tasks from the command line
[11:42] <FreezeS> does the fact that I can run sudo have any connection to the admin group ?
[11:42] <savvas> FreezeS: ok then try: gksu users-admin
[11:42] <savvas> yes, it means you are in the admin group :P
[11:43] <FreezeS> funny thing, I tried that on the local computer
[11:43] <FreezeS> I was in # and ran users-admin
[11:43] <savvas> works?
[11:43] <FreezeS> and the unlock button was grayed
[11:44] <FreezeS> and I couldn't do anything except viewing the properties
[11:44] <FreezeS> however, when I ran it from $ (without gksudo) the unlock button was active
[11:44] <FreezeS> and if I run it with gksudo, the button is grayed
[11:45] <savvas> FreezeS: ok then just run: users-admin
[11:45] <savvas> in a terminal
[11:45] <savvas> if you get any errors, file a bug
[11:45] <FreezeS> I'll try it on the server later today
[11:45] <FreezeS> thanks
[11:46] <savvas> it's weird the gksu users-admin isn't working though
[11:46] <savvas> doesn't work here either
[11:46] <savvas> i tried running users-admin as root: ** (users-admin:9405): CRITICAL **: Unable to lookup session information for process '9405'
[11:48] <FreezeS> exactly
[11:49] <savvas> someone must've noticed it that, search for it on launchpad, http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:50] <savvas> see ya later aligators
[11:55] <mitch_> my sudo doesn't work anymore I get .aliases: command not found
[11:55] <typhox> hi
[11:55] <typhox> i think there is a bug with a panel
[11:56] <mitch_> has anyone else lost sudo power
[11:56] <typhox> the second time that this has happened
[11:57] <typhox> I clicked on the calender and the panel freezes
[11:57] <typhox> i pressed control+alt+backspace and login.
[11:58] <typhox> but the panels stay away
[11:58] <typhox> how do i get them back?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> typhox: run gnome-panel from the command line
[11:59] <Hobbsee> mitch_: i'd say you did something bad to break it.
[11:59] <mitch_> install wine?
[11:59] <mitch_> mess with themes?
[11:59] <mitch_> what
[12:00] <mitch_> up[date?
[12:00] <typhox> Hobbsee: that doesn't work
[12:01] <Hobbsee> mitch_: i'm fairly sure that if multiple people managed to break sudo like that, there'd be a beta-targetted bug about it.  therefore, it's probably a local problem.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> !doesn't work | typhox
[12:01] <ubotu> typhox: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[12:01] <mitch_> I know I was asking what i did wrong?
[12:02] <mitch_> cause i feel i did normal stuff
[12:02] <typhox> It saiys "cannot open display:"
[12:03] <Hobbsee> mitch_: i've got no idea, tbh.
[12:03] <Hobbsee> typhox: strange
[12:04] <typhox> oO
[12:04] <mitch_> so what can i possibly do
[12:08] <typhox> i'll restart
[12:08] <zen_> hello everyone
[12:08] <mitch_> anyone any ideas
[12:09] <zen_> im considering up grading to hardy heron should i do it?
[12:09] <zen_> just because im bored...
[12:09] <asdrubal> is 2.6.24-12 the kernel version that has broken sound?
[12:13] <vistakiller> they have fix it asdrubal
[12:13] <moyogo> hi
[12:14] <asdrubal> vistakiller, what do you mean?
[12:14] <moyogo> alien is rendered useless due to bug 120057, could someone look into it?
[12:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120057 in alien "alien 8.68 cannot create deb from rpm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120057
[12:14] <vistakiller> they have fix the problem with the sound
[12:14] <asdrubal> vistakiller, why didn't they change the kernel version then?
[12:14] <asdrubal> it should be -13, right?
[12:14] <vistakiller> no
[12:14] <asdrubal> hunh?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> they didn't need to do an abi bump
[12:15] <asdrubal> oh ok
[12:15] <Hobbsee> moyogo: fairly sure tha'ts a feature...
[12:15] <vistakiller> why my side buttons is not working in firefox 3?
[12:15] <Rudin_> hello
[12:15] <vistakiller> hi
[12:16] <amon__> hi
[12:16] <Rudin_> how can I make Java Applets work in Firefox in Hardy Heron Alpha 6?
[12:16] <moyogo> Hobbsee: ok, how do i make .deb from .rpm with that feature?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> you don't. :)
[12:17] <moyogo> hehe
[12:17] <Rudin_> how can I make Java Applets work in Firefox in Hardy Heron Alpha 6    --->  HH64 bits  <----?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> moyogo: you build from source instead.
[12:18] <vistakiller> anyone have problem with firefox 3 and side mouse buttons?
[12:18] <moyogo> yeah can do that, but there’s still a bug in alien
[12:18] <vistakiller> in firefox 2 it work
[12:18] <moyogo> might as well stop packaging it
[12:20] <Hobbsee> moyogo: check for a debian equivalent - ours is coming from there
[12:21] <moyogo> Hobbsee: good point
[12:29] <Adys> hm
[12:31] <Adys> I keep getting "The composite extension is not available" when trying to get compiz back - tried to force enable it in xorg.conf but didnt work
[12:32] <amx109> what graphics card do you have?
[12:32] <Adys> nvidia 8600
[12:32] <amon__> btw, what happened to xorg.conf, it looks so different
[12:32] <amx109> Adys, try envyng
[12:32] <Adys> its recent
[12:33] <amx109> amon__, new xorg aims to reduce amount of config. most of it is autoconfig'd now
[12:34] <Adys> amx109:  already tried
[12:34] <amon__> ok, so where can i tweak it if autoconfig fails?
[12:34] <amx109> amon__, what problem are you coming accross?
[12:36] <amx109> Adys, is there any useful info avail when u run it from a terminal? eg compiz --replace
[12:36] <Adys> nope, everything installs and sets up fine, but its disabled
[12:37] <amon__> amx109: no problem at all, i just wanted to know
[12:38] <amx109> amon__, i think im correct in saying you can still add/change xorg config by editing the xorg.conf file
[12:38] <amx109> Adys, and when you enable it via preferences->appearance it generates this error?
[12:38] <amon__> kk thx
[12:38] <Adys> yup amx109
[12:39] <Adys> rebooting compiz, brb
[12:39] <amx109> Adys, would you try running compiz from a terminal? the output may give more specific info on what the error is
[12:40] <Adys> yeah what Im doing right now
[12:40] <Adys> http://pastebin.com/d1ba094fe
[12:40] <Adys> no more info than that :/
[12:44] <amx109> Adys, could you pastebin your /etc/xorg.conf?
[12:44] <Adys> sure
[12:44] <amx109> eep, sorry /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[12:45] <Adys> http://pastebin.com/d6fb27305
[12:46] <amx109> hmm
[12:46] <amx109> see the line near the bottom
[12:46] <amx109> Option         "Composite" "1"
[12:46] <amx109> try changing to
[12:46] <amx109>  Option          "Composite"     "Enable"
[12:46] <Adys> enable
[12:46] <Adys> i already tried :)
[12:47] <amx109> bah!
[12:47] <zniavre> "True"   ?
[12:47] <Adys> both enable and 1 are supposed to work according to google results
[12:47] <Adys> so i dont think it's that
[12:48] <amx109> have you checked you xorg logs for any errors related to loading the composite extension?
[12:48] <Adys> uhm
[12:48] <Adys> (where are xorg logs?)
[12:49] <amx109> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:50] <Adys> weird
[12:51] <amx109> Adys, could you pastebin that too?
[12:52] <Adys> yeah, the newest is from two days ago but i already had that problem i think
[12:52] <amx109> hmm
[12:52] <Adys> http://pastebin.com/d5590f978
[12:53] <Adys> nvm, was blind
[12:53] <amx109> if you logout that should restart X and generate a new log
[12:53] <Adys> that one's from today, was looking in the wrong place
[12:53] <amx109> ah k
[12:55] <amx109> well. it /looks/ like its enabling compiz (line 471)
[12:55] <amx109> Adys, do you have two video cards?
[12:55] <FreezeS> is there a way to make sudo to always remember my password until I log out ?
[12:56] <UB`> it's nice the new gdm login screen
[12:56] <Adys> amx109: Nope
[12:57] <Adys> one 8600 gts on two displays
[12:57] <amx109> Adys, from my limited knowledge, it seems that its setting up your X server for ure card+2 displays twice. first one gets compiz enabled, second doesnt
[12:57] <Adys> oO
[12:58] <amx109> Adys, and if you look in your xconf i think ti defines ure card twice?
[12:58] <amx109> yea. videocard0 and videocard1
[12:58] <Lamego> FreezeS, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183418
[12:59] <Adys> yeah
[13:00] <amx109> Adys, have you modified the config yourself?
[13:00] <Adys> not recently
[13:00] <Adys> apart from keyboard layouts but i doubt its that :P
[13:00] <amx109> Adys, perhaps running dpkg-reconfigure would sort the conf
[13:01] <Adys> aight
[13:01] <Adys> ill try that, brb
[13:08] <Adys> amx109: that worked
[13:08] <amx109> Adys, wahoo!
[13:08] <Adys> now to figure out if getting my second screen back is going to make it whine
[13:09] <amx109> Adys, when i had a dual monitor setup i used the twinview options in the nvidia driver rather than xinerama
[13:09] <amx109> Adys, worked a treat with compiz. im sure you could get it working with xinerama though
[13:09] <Adys> Twinview doesnt let me manage my screens separately :/
[13:09] <amx109> Adys, in what way?
[13:10] <Adys> maximizing in a single screen, having the panels on only one screen, etc
[13:10] <amx109> Adys, that all worked fine for me
[13:11] <Adys> twinview treats both screen as if they were one giant screen no?
[13:11] <ctw> Hi! I'm getting an error message when I try to run apt-get update or apt-get (dist-)upgrade: It says Reading package lists ... Error! E: Problem parsing dependency Suggests, E: Error occured while processng debconf (NewVersion1), E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status, E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[13:11] <ctw> Any idea what's wrong and how I can fix it?
[13:12] <amx109> Adys, erm. not sure. i remember compiz treated both screens as one 'desktop' on the cube. but maximising windows/mplayer were restricted to one screen
[13:13] <Adys> enabling twinview gets me a 3160x1050 screen
[13:13] <amx109> yupyup
[13:13] <Adys> When I maximize a window for example it'll stretch on both screens
[13:13] <amx109> oh
[13:13] <Adys> (rebooting x brb)
[13:13] <UB`> great news for skypers: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Skype_2_0_Final_for_Linux_is_out
[13:14] <lingoNL> Guys, thanks for setting the topic link to the libc6 problem, fixed now :)
[13:14] <Adys> hmm.. looks like enabling xinerama does make it whine
[13:15] <amx109> Adys, winning?
[13:15]  * Adys tries merging some stuff
[13:15] <Adys> er complain sorry
[13:20] <Adys> amx109: Looks like the screens have to be configured as being on two different virtual videocards
[13:21] <amx109> ah
[13:23] <amx109> Adys, sorry to come back to the twinview stuff. just checked my old xorg conf. were you using the metamodes option for twinview settings?
[13:23] <Adys> hmm
[13:23] <Adys> Not sure
[13:25] <amx109> Adys, http://pastebin.com/d187c15ab - my section for configuring twinview with my old 2x21" monitors
[13:25] <amx109> Adys, and that gave me correct behaviour ref windows management on dual display
[13:26] <Adys> lemme try it
[13:29] <jandem> can we expect to see pavucontrol in hardy by default?
[13:29] <Hobbsee> no
[13:29] <Adys> The XRandR X extension was not found.  This extension must be supported by the X server and enabled for display configuration settings to be dynamically applicable.
[13:30] <Adys> amx109:  see above
[13:30] <jandem> Hobbsee, just curious, what's the reason? not ready or not useful for most users?
[13:31] <Hobbsee> jandem: no idea prior to feature freeze, but it wouldn't be in now as it wasn't before feature freeze, and doesn't have a freeze exception
[13:31] <amx109> Adys, Option          "RandRRotation" "True" - add this line in ure 'configured videro device' or equiv
[13:31] <amx109> oh actually
[13:31] <amx109> ignore that
[13:31] <amx109> i didnt read your repsone preoperly
[13:32] <jandem> Hobbsee: ok thanks, i like it a lot but it's very easy to install
[13:35] <ShackJack> Hi  -just wondering are a lot of folks having issues with the GNOME settings daemon and/or wireless (not sure if they're related)
[13:35] <amx109> Adys, erm. head, brick wall?
[13:35] <Adys> aye
[13:35] <Adys> lol
[13:36] <amx109> Adys, have you tried via nvidia-settings or via administration->screen adn graphics?
[13:37] <Adys> yup its where I am right now
[13:38] <Adys> amx109: Woot, think I got it working
[13:38] <Adys> twinview was the way to go indeed, weird
[13:38] <amx109> Adys, by which method?
[13:39] <Adys> http://pastebin.com/d63565304
[13:39] <Adys> my last xorg.conf
[13:39] <amx109> ahar
[13:46] <coz_> does anyone know the fate of gimp-svg? it is not available in the repos
[13:47] <ctw> Hi
[13:48] <ctw> I'm still having problems with the libc6 fallout
[13:48] <ctw> when trying to update I'm getting the following message: A non-dpkg owned copy of the libc6-i686 package was found
[13:49] <ctw> it tells me that it's not save to upgrade
[13:49] <fromport> hello, anyone here with xen experience? after installing ubuntu-xen-server and configuring a guest, the guest can't find their "hard drive" and drop into busybox on boot
[13:49] <ctw> and to remeove that copy of the C library and try again
[13:49] <ctw> any ideas?
[13:51] <fromport> ctw: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2*.deb ?
[13:52] <ctw> fromport: same error!
[13:53] <DrZaius55> I've got a big dependency problem.  When trying to install gnome its looking for gnome-keyring-manager > 2.20 which doesn't exist
[13:53] <DrZaius55> Anyway to get around this?
[13:55] <fromport> ctw: i think you need to download the .deb , boot with a live cd , chroot in to the old disk environment and install the .deb
[13:55] <fromport> ctw: look here for more info: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4506427
[13:56] <nemesis545> hello all!
[13:57] <nemesis545> who can helpme!, whit a nvidia in hardy heron,
[13:57] <nemesis545> the module dont load
[13:57] <ShackJack> Hi  -just wondering are a lot of folks having issues with the GNOME settings daemon and/or wireless (not sure if they're related)
[13:58] <ctw> fromport: sweet, thanks so much
[13:59] <fromport> shackjack: had a lot of problems with gnome settings daemon, not with wireless. did a fresh install with alpha6 and <knock wood> no problems on my laptop.
[13:59] <nemesis545> someone speak spanish?
[13:59] <nemesis545> alguien habla español?
[13:59] <fromport> do have some probs with xen though ;-(
[13:59] <Pici> !es | nemesis545
[13:59] <ubotu> nemesis545: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[13:59] <Tengu> hello world
[14:00] <wxPython> hello :)
[14:00] <DrZaius55> actually "apt-get install gnome"yields..
[14:00] <DrZaius55> gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.20.2.2)
[14:00] <Tengu> I'm trying to boot hardy on PXE, but "gutsy method" doesn't work. is there any doc ?
[14:00] <Tengu> or is it too early for this kind of things ?
[14:01] <nemesis545> ok ubotu pero es sobre hardy crei que aqui podia...
[14:01] <frank_> nemesis545: ubotu is a bot
[14:01] <nemesis545> jaja
[14:01] <fromport> tengu: i think it's too early. the netboot packages still contain gutsy stuff (last time i checked)
[14:02] <Tengu> fromport: ok :)
[14:08] <ctw> fromport: arghh, I'm getting the same error from chroot
[14:09] <Tengu> and is a kickstart from gutsy ok for an auto-install of hardy? :->
[14:09] <Tengu> [ks=....  on "append" line]
[14:17] <ShackJack> fromport: Thanks for the feedback (re gnome-settings)... I may try a fresh install though fsck *claims* there's something wrong with my HD, so that may not be an option until I get a new one. It funny, because it seems everytime I try a beta Ubuntu it has those same issues (gnome settings and wireless) :)
[14:17] <steph_> is there someone who knows about ubuntu and LTSP (I know, there is a ltsp channel, but nobody can answer my question)?
[14:19] <steph_> LTSP 5 / Hardy 8.04
[14:19] <steph_> I would like to know how to change ldm's default language on the client's side. I'm looking on the internet without succcess too.
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[14:32] <arpu> hi all
[14:32] <arpu> i have to killall pulseaudio to have sound in firefox flash and totem why ?
[14:32] <arpu> i can not find any bug report
[14:33] <Pici> arpu: Then log one
[14:33] <arpu> Pici, hi log on ?
[14:33] <Pici> !bugs
[14:33] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[14:34] <arpu> i need some more information why i need to kill pulseaudio
[14:34] <arpu> and i will know what pulseaudio is
[14:35] <Pici> arpu: If you can't find a bug report, perhaps you need to submit one.
[14:36] <arpu> ok thanks
[14:38] <Tengu> fromport: in fact, we CAN do PXE boot as far as I can see :)
[14:39] <Tengu> fromport: we have to take server cd!
[14:39] <damjan> arpu: there's a flash support library on the pulseaudio site
[14:40] <damjan> arpu: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup
[14:41] <Pici> damjan: But if its not working properly in Hardy, it would be good if a bug was filed for it
[14:41] <damjan> Pici: well I don't have it installed :)
[14:50] <damjan> I'm actually looking to make the LiveCD boot from USB
[14:51] <damjan> Now I made it boot the kernel and load the initramfs, but it didn't find and mount the squash filesystem
[14:51] <titillation> i wish i were a livecd
[14:51] <titillation> on the topic of livecds, what's the best web resource for livecd creation?
[14:52] <damjan> titillation: what kind of LiveCD do you want to create?
[14:53] <titillation> damjan, one where i may throw any package from ubuntu on it
[14:53] <titillation> damjan, without having to use my mind much to meddle with scripts
[14:53] <damjan> titillation: on the ubuntu liveCD's there's a squash.filesystem file
[14:54] <damjan> you can unpack it, add some files to it.. then create the FS again
[14:54] <titillation> damjan, should i go with reconstructor?
[14:54] <titillation> damjan, i've heard of that and one other tool
[14:54] <titillation> damjan, oh? that simple?
[15:14] <kingrayray> i just updated hardy and now X won't detect my video card properly, do I need to reinstall the nvidia driver or something?
[15:15] <amx109> kingrayray, possibly. try using easyng
[15:15] <amx109> sorry
[15:15] <amx109> envyng
[15:15] <amx109> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[15:19] <frank_> !envy
[15:19] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:19] <amx109> ta frank_
[15:20] <kingrayray> word
[15:21] <kingrayray> what envy does would be pretty easy to do manually anyway
[15:21] <kingrayray> what im' more concerned about is why did my graphics break after a kernel update
[15:21] <kingrayray> brb
[15:23] <frank_> kingrayray: apparently envyng (supports only hardy) does thing in a more ubuntu-y way. it is supposed to work after a kernel upgrade
[15:26] <kingrayray> oook. so, what is the name of the restricted drivers applet?
[15:29] <Pici> kingrayray: it should show up in your notification applet
[15:30] <kingrayray> well, i'm trying to disable then re-enable it or something
[15:30] <kingrayray> since my last hardy update i am in "low graphics mode"
[15:30] <Pici> kingrayray: Its also in System>Adminstration somewhere
[15:31] <kingrayray> weird. nothing shows up in it
[15:31] <kingrayray> "no drivers in use" shouldn't it show me which drivers i *could* use?
[15:32] <kingrayray> oh interesting.
[15:33] <kingrayray> the update didn't install the restricted drivers for this kernel version or something, apparently
[15:33] <kingrayray> we'll see :p
[15:34] <kingrayray> what cards is "nvidia-glx-new" for? like 8000 series?
[15:34] <kingrayray> mine's only a 6200 lol
[15:34] <kingrayray> ohwell. i'm gonna reboot and see if this worked
[15:37] <kingrayray> yay i did it
[15:41] <frank_> kingrayray: nvidia-glx-new is geforce 5xxx and above
[15:45] <Raspberry> I make a backup of my Maildir directory nightly -- is there a good way to  view that Maildir w/o using the Mail server?  I deleted an email that I want to recover from my backed up Maildir
[15:45] <Raspberry> I thought maybe I'd just create a second user account and drop it in as their Maildir
[15:47] <h3sp4wn> Raspberry: You can just use maildir's directly with mutt
[15:47] <h3sp4wn> (No need for the mailserver)
[15:48] <Raspberry> ah cool -- I wasn't sure and googling doesn't provide  a direct answer to this question
[15:48] <h3sp4wn> rsync it to another box and view it with mutt if you need to
[15:48] <kingrayray> frank23, oh word. so i need that one then :)
[15:48] <Raspberry> duh -- I used to directly access Maildir with Mutt :P  then I changed it to use IMAP locally :P
[15:50] <fromport> rasp: mutt -f [subdir]
[15:51] <Gnine> why cant workaround be to just run aptitude upgrade from root
[15:52] <jimmygoon> Hm, I love that anyone can test the next version of ubuntu but is anyone else... suprised by people's inability to work things out with the libc6 problem and begging for a script or step by step tutorial?
[15:53] <savvas> Gnine: a) there is not root account and b) if libc6 is broken, you can't login... you practically can't do anything
[15:53] <h3sp4wn> jimmygoon: I am not surprised
[15:53] <Gnine> recovery mode logs you as root
[15:54] <savvas> Gnine: you cannot log in if the glibc/libc6 is broken, it uses a library upon logging in
[15:54] <h3sp4wn> But its one of the things I made sure I knew how to do before running sid a while ago
[15:54] <savvas> Gnine: also, apt* and dpkg* use libc
[15:55] <h3sp4wn> (In the days before live cd's without a static shell like sash etc could have been much more of an issue)
[15:55] <Gnine> i ran aptitude from root on recovery mode. system was unable to fetch updates from us.archive.ubuntu.com
[15:55] <jimmygoon> h3sp4wn, well, its not that testers should know that its libc breaking but once thats established and its reported that copying the old libc over the hardy's corrupt libc and a fairly straightforward command is given and there is STILL people needing more step-by-step... I just don't understand why there are bleeding edge...
[15:56] <mooboo1> wow, my aunt was here with her friend, and her friend is probably like 70+, and she starts talking to me about Linux and firewalls
[15:56] <mooboo1> talk about getting surprised lol
[15:56] <mooboo1> then i stand there, wondering how the hell she knows what Linux is
[15:57] <h3sp4wn> jimmygoon: That thread on ubuntu forums sucked (dpkg --root= is for exactly that issue)
[15:57] <frank_> mooboo1: did you ask her?
[15:57] <mooboo1> frank_, nope
[15:58] <TheInfinity> jimmygoon: but alphas are sooooo cool! ;)
[15:58] <h3sp4wn> jimmygoon: broken perl can be worse
[15:58] <Raspberry> jimmygoon: I needed info on how to do it
[15:58] <mooboo1> yeah and "alpha" sound cool too
[15:59] <Raspberry> jimmygoon: are you calling me an idiot or what?
[15:59] <jimmygoon> That happened during feisty or gutsy betas I think... I remember that
[15:59] <Gnine> jimmygoon, i wasnt asking for your stepbystep manual either.. i read the forums . apparently you need to cut the coffee comsumption there
[15:59] <mooboo1> like "yo man dun mess with me yo, i got the alpha, bittttch"
[15:59] <h3sp4wn> Don't read the forums
[15:59] <jimmygoon> Heh, I'm not referring to either of you, gheezsh
[15:59] <h3sp4wn> read the manpage for dpkg
[15:59] <mooboo1> dpkg --help
[15:59] <TheInfinity> jimmygoon: sometimes i think its just for cleaning up
[16:00] <TheInfinity> one libc6 break = much less stupid "bug" on launchpad
[16:00] <TheInfinity> *bugs
[16:00] <h3sp4wn>  --root=<directory>         Install on a different root directory.
[16:00] <h3sp4wn> Thats not clear like the manpage is though
[16:01] <h3sp4wn> you wouldn't know whether you needed --admindir= / --instdir= also
[16:01] <Raspberry> As I undestand it the point of the forums is to provide some real-time dialog about these issues...   If something breaks or is broken it should be documented...  once it's documented people should be referred to it for resolution -- but I think it also serves in the best interest of Ubuntu to provide step-by-step instructions and context them as doing step 1, 2, 3, 4,5 is called "using dpkg to restore a previous version of a
[16:01] <Raspberry> package" so that way some one is provided education in the terminology used to define a multi-step process
[16:01] <Gnine> only 64bit version broke for me
[16:02] <Gnine> by the way
[16:03] <Gnine> well exposed, Raspberry
[16:03] <jimmygoon> Raspberry, I dunna. I'm not trying to call anyone out but I guess I just don't understand how someone that doesn't know how to mount a device should be using alpha....
[16:04] <Gnine> your a goon ..
[16:04] <McAbre> b43-fwcutter cut my range in third of what it used to be with bmc43xx....
[16:04] <Raspberry> jimmygoon: I agree :)
[16:05] <h3sp4wn> McAbre: What do you mean all that does is extract the firmware
[16:05] <Gnine> mounting a device is a very much standard procedure in linux terms .. you mean something else along the lines of 'am the master of the universe'
[16:06] <jimmygoon> Gnine, actually I don't. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I'm not calling you out yet you're making this personal and being rude
[16:06] <McAbre> h3sp4wn, I'm not 100% sure but after the change the range was reduced, whatever the actual culprit... =)
[16:07] <Gnine> then stop targetting users you dont know about like you have statistics in front of you
[16:07] <jimmygoon> Gnine, You mean like the forum topic that literally has people asking how to mount devices?
[16:07] <orangey> hey all!
[16:08] <h3sp4wn> McAbre: There is all sorts of stuff it could be
[16:08] <damjan> Does anyone know how does the LiveCD find the /casper/filesystem.squashfs file to mount on booting??
[16:08] <orangey> quick q.. What on earth has replaced /etc/default/acpi-support ?
[16:08] <h3sp4wn> McAbre: What does iwlist wlan0 tx say
[16:08] <h3sp4wn> (anything)
[16:09] <steph_> How can I customize client's desktop for LTSP 5 / Hardy 8.04?
[16:09] <wxPython> hello
[16:10] <McAbre> h3sp4wn, Current Tx-Power=27 dBm  	(501 mW)
[16:10] <orangey> Where I can put my blacklisted modules to be taken out before suspends happen in hardy?
[16:11] <Amaranth> orangey: /etc/default/acpi-support has a list of modules to unload/reload, iirc
[16:11] <h3sp4wn> McAbre: Same as my intel is set for (maybe thats just when its not working)
[16:11] <orangey> Amaranth: not in hardy any longer.
[16:11] <orangey> it's been replaced by something.
[16:11] <Amaranth> orangey: put them in MODULES separated by spaces
[16:11] <Amaranth> i don't think so
[16:11] <Amaranth> i've got that file
[16:11] <orangey> Amaranth: I can virtually guarantee you : )
[16:12] <h3sp4wn> McAbre: Infact thinking about it doesn't even make sense as that would be illegal in alot of places
[16:12] <Amaranth> and /etc/acpi/sleep.sh still imports /etc/default/acpi-support
[16:12] <orangey> Amaranth: true, but it seems that something else is being triggered by dbus.
[16:12] <Amaranth> ah, but nothing uses MODULES
[16:13] <Amaranth> orangey: nah, it all still goes through acpi-support, afaik
[16:13] <Amaranth> in the end
[16:13] <Amaranth> but nothing deals with MODULES
[16:13] <orangey> fair enough.
[16:13] <orangey> at least that really helps me figure out where to look : )
[16:13] <Amaranth> you could write your own acpi scripts for sleep and resume to unload and reload the modules, respectively
[16:14] <Amaranth> just stick them in /etc/acpi/suspend.d and /etc/acpi/resume.d
[16:14] <wxPython> if i do wx.DEFAULT_FRAME_STYLE ^ wx.MAXIMIZE_BOX  i strip the default frame style and took one style out of the default style...  the ^ is a bitwise XOR operator... since that is equvivalent to !=  can i use that operator as well?
[16:14] <Amaranth> copy the format of the other files in there (numbered file name to determine order, etc)
[16:14] <orangey> Amaranth: I'll go back to my position that it disregards /etc/defaults/acpi-support
[16:14] <orangey> check this out.
[16:14] <orangey> sleep.sh calls prepare.sh
[16:14] <orangey> prepare.sh runs /etc/acpi/suspend.d
[16:15] <Amaranth> and prepare.sh runs all the scripts in suspend.d, like i said
[16:15] <orangey> /etc/acpi/suspend.d/ contains 70-modules-unload.sh
[16:15] <Amaranth> right
[16:15] <orangey> which references MODULES
[16:15] <Amaranth> but doesn't load /etc/acpi-support
[16:15] <Amaranth> err, /etc/default/acpi-support
[16:16] <Amaranth> but i think it doesn't have to, MODULES is already in the environment
[16:16] <orangey> well, /etc/default/acpi-support is called from the original sh
[16:16] <Amaranth> because 70-modules-unload.sh never sets it
[16:16] <Amaranth> just filters stuff out of it
[16:16] <frank_> orangey: powermanagement is handled by pm-utils now I think
[16:16] <orangey> frank_ This is what I thought.
[16:17] <orangey> frank_ So, what configuration file does it use now?
[16:17] <orangey> frank_ you mean powermanagement-interface, I assume.
[16:17] <frank_> orangey: no idea... I just remember from reading feature specs
[16:17] <orangey> frank_: the /usr/share/pmi/blacklist-modules.sh was broken
[16:17] <Amaranth> in that case it uses fdi quirks
[16:18] <Amaranth> http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html
[16:19] <frank_> orangey: I don't run hardy often
[16:19] <orangey> Amaranth: that's fascinating.
[16:20] <savvas> Hardware Testing woohoo! :)
[16:20] <savvas> gksu hwtest-gtk
[16:21] <orangey> frankly, I can usually trace files, but once it hits DBUS, I am *lost*
[16:21] <Amaranth> orangey: found it
[16:21] <Amaranth> Add 'SUSPEND_MODULES="kvm_intel kvm"' to /etc/pm/config.d/unload_modules!
[16:22] <Amaranth> obviously you probably don't want kvm_intel kvm but yeah
[16:22] <orangey> fascinating. I don't have that file..
[16:22] <orangey> moment.
[16:22] <orangey> alright. Gonna try it. Wish me luck : )
[16:22] <Amaranth> CRITICAL ERROR: Using nvidia binary driver. This is not supported!
[16:22] <Amaranth> haha
[16:23] <h3sp4wn> What does that do just forcibly remove the modules ?
[16:23] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: unloads them before suspend and reloads them after
[16:23] <Amaranth> some modules don't survive suspend
[16:23] <h3sp4wn> And kvm doesn't mind that happening if its running
[16:23] <Amaranth> well the kvm thing was a bug in 2.6.21
[16:23] <Amaranth> it was just an example from the website
[16:24] <mooboo1> if i ever make an operating system, i will call it TacOS or TACOS
[16:24] <h3sp4wn> (and if you are not using it then why not just blacklist it anyway)
[16:24] <Amaranth> oh, 2.6.22 and older
[16:24] <mooboo1> gdm looks newer in udpate
[16:24] <mooboo1> it looks hardy
[16:25] <jimmygoon> screenshot?
[16:25] <jimmygoon> I'm dying to see the new visual themes but my HD is too full for an additional ubuntu install
[16:27] <orangey_> nope : )
[16:27] <orangey_> that didn't work.
[16:28] <fromport> anyone here succeeded in getting xen-3.2 to run from packaged in hardy ? my dom-U's cant find a harddisk and are being dumped into busybox
[16:29] <savvas> fromport: did they sudo apt-get install linux-xen ?
[16:30] <savvas> fromport: you have a separate kernel image for xen
[16:32] <Johan--> savvas: I fixed my problems with libc6 thanks to your guide. Thanks :)
[16:32] <Johan--> but now when I login all I get is a blue screen
[16:32] <fromport> savvas: yep , that all went perfect (aptitude install ubuntu-xen-server)
[16:33] <savvas> Johan--: try: sudo apt-get -f install
[16:33] <savvas> what does the blue screen say by the way? :P
[16:33] <Johan--> nothing :)
[16:33] <savvas> fromport: ah then i've no idea
[16:34] <Johan--> apt-get didn't do anything
[16:34] <savvas> an empty blue screen?
[16:34] <Johan--> yes
[16:34] <h3sp4wn> fromport: I am running hardy under xen but the dom0 is opensolaris
[16:34] <savvas> hm..
[16:34] <fromport> savvas: hypervisor etc boots, xend is running when i try and start a "guest" it never boots
[16:34] <Johan--> and the resolution seems to be 640x480 or something
[16:34] <Johan--> instead of 1400x900
[16:35] <savvas> Johan--: apt-cache policy libc6 | grep "Installed\|Candidate"
[16:35] <h3sp4wn> fromport: Did you try e.g Centos (very easy to start a netinstall from virt-install)
[16:35] <Johan--> gives nothing
[16:35] <savvas> Johan--: apt-cache policy libc6
[16:36] <savvas> Johan--: you were the one with the not-english install right? :\
[16:36] <fromport> savvas: that is : it boots but keeps hanging at "Begin: Waiting for root file system" and eventually is dropped in busybox.
[16:37] <Johan--> strange. All my settings seems to have disapeard. The graphiccard, resolution etc
[16:37] <savvas> Johan--: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:37] <fromport> h3sp4wn: as a matter of fact: yes i just installed 5.1 on my laptop to try it out ;-). but i'm a big debian/ubuntu fan and feel loyal to them. Only i want/need hardy *now* and not in april ;-)
[16:38] <h3sp4wn> fromport: I ment as the domU
[16:38] <h3sp4wn> (I don't use the ubuntu xen packaged kernel as it was borked when I set this up a few months ago)
[16:39] <fromport> h3sp4n: i tried etch32&64 bits, gutsy 32 and a hardy64 via debootstrap.
[16:40] <h3sp4wn> Try netbsd thats another 5 second one to try
[16:41] <h3sp4wn> Or try the centos kernel
[16:41] <fromport> h3sp4wn: i've not tried libvirt/virt-manager yet. i'll certainly look into it..
[16:41] <h3sp4wn> (Otherwise its not narrowed down at all)
[16:41] <Johan--> savvas: I tried to remove firestarter that gave errors before and rebooted. Now I get a black screen with the mouse instead :)
[16:41] <fromport> yep, you're right
[16:42] <orangey_> might I say WOW! to the new compiz!
[16:42] <Johan--> the xfce session works however
[16:42] <orangey_> This "shelf" plugin is exactly what I've wanted my whole life without knowing it.
[16:42] <savvas> Johan--: did you do this? sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:42] <Johan--> no
[16:43] <Johan--> will trie it, but the resolution works now. But no gnome
[16:43] <savvas> Johan--: go for it, it'll fix up your xorg.conf
[16:44] <Johan--> don't thing its xserver now. Gnome seems to be broken
[16:44] <savvas> Johan--: i see, can you do this: sudo apt-get -f install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard ubuntu-desktop
[16:44] <Johan--> well, dont have any more time right now.
[16:44] <Johan--> but thanks for the help :) This channel is priceless :D
[16:44] <savvas> note it and try it later, /memoserv send savvas a message :)
[16:45] <savvas> or was it /msg memoserv? oh well :P
[16:45] <Johan--> started it in a screen session so I can check if it worked later
[16:48] <jimmygoon> orangey_, what does it do?
[16:56] <tgelter> why do I suddenly need the simple-ccsm package installed to have the "custom" tab under Appearance-->Visual Effects? Why isn't it enough anymore to just have CompizConfig Settings Manager installed?
[16:56] <negativerad> ohhh this is my new home
[16:57] <Pici> negativerad: Try using the generic kernel, not -i386
[16:58] <smagoun> 'apt-get source finger=0.17-11' doesn't work (source not found), but 'apt-get source finger' does - and it pulls down the source for finger 0.17-11. I only have this problem with packages where the binary name != the source name, so I'm thinking it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=163015 . Anyone have a fix?
[16:58] <ubotu> Debian bug 163015 in apt "[apt-get] want binary->source mapping when requesting a specific version" [Wishlist,Open]
[16:58] <negativerad> Pici: 2.6.24-12-generic ??
[16:58] <negativerad> or -11-generic
[16:59] <Pici> negativerad: 12 generic
[16:59] <negativerad> Pici: K i will try it now, thank you.
[16:59] <wastrel> hi
[17:01] <orangey_> jimmygoon: check it out..
[17:01] <jimmygoon> orangey_, I did :)
[17:01] <orangey_> jimmygoon: http://imagebin.ca/view/Luwgwn1.html
[17:01] <wastrel> hardy
[17:01] <orangey_> and http://imagebin.ca/view/MoOW4ms.html
[17:01] <orangey_> jimmygoon: it's awesome!
[17:01] <orangey_> Most plugin since Scale : )
[17:01] <jimmygoon> I'm assuming that the window is still interactive?
[17:02] <orangey_> HECK YES!
[17:02] <Milos_SD> Can someone else report one bug for me ? :D
[17:02] <jimmygoon> because thats awesome. I would like it if when you hover over it to interact it zooms in a bit and then when it looses focus it zooms back out, etc
[17:02] <orangey_> maybe if this plugin was around in 2006 it wouldn't have been. But we're apparently in 2008!
[17:02] <Milos_SD> it is a bug in Firefox 3 Beta 4
[17:02] <orangey_> jimmygoon: woah there. That's like 2008.5 at least : )
[17:02] <orangey_> but you're right, that would be AWESOME!
[17:03] <Milos_SD> When I do right click on some link in Pidgin/Evolution/Xchat -> Open in Browser, it does not open Firefox at all...
[17:03] <Milos_SD> :(
[17:03] <jimmygoon> I just can't wait until I get my new PC that can run compiz without making it impossible to scroll in firefox :D
[17:04] <orangey_> jimmygoon: what are you running now?
[17:04] <jimmygoon> nothing.
[17:04] <negativerad> Pici, works great thanks again :D
[17:04] <jimmygoon> I _can_ run compiz but scrolling in firefox becomes annoyingly choppy
[17:05] <oxigen> Milos_SD: i have line in xchat for this: !firefox -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab)'
[17:05] <wastrel> really
[17:05] <jimmygoon> oh (gutsy)
[17:05] <wastrel> that may be what is making my ffox so sucky
[17:05] <oxigen> Milos_SD: in URL handlers
[17:05] <wastrel> but it's not scrolling so much as just being slow loading/rendering.
[17:05] <wastrel> and crashy
[17:05] <secretlondon> i've finally had to install epiphany
[17:06] <secretlondon> laptop not locked up since
[17:07] <jimmygoon> holy crap. I just saw freewins. is that in hardy also? :O
[17:08] <orangey_> jimmygoon: I don't think so
[17:08] <Pici> smagoun: I can re-create that error here.  I suggest logging a bug under apt in launchpad and using the "also affects distribution/package" button to put the original bug in.
[17:09] <jimmygoon> orangey_, oh well. its easy enough to compile... which is what I'm going to go do. Its awesome! You can rotate in x and z dimensions
[17:09] <MasterShrak> is hardy in beta yet?
[17:09] <oxigen> alpha
[17:09] <MasterShrak> cool thx
[17:10] <oxigen> you know more now, huh?! :)
[17:10] <smagoun> Pici: thanks, I'll do that. That debian bug's only 7 years old, guess I'll try to fix it myself...
[17:16] <orangey_> jimmygoon: while I'm a fan of the concept, I just can't see it helping me in life.
[17:17] <jimmygoon> yeah, I know
[17:17] <orangey_> p.s., found a limitation to that shelf plugin.. as of now, you can't do drag operations with the mouse
[17:21] <Gnine> hardy seems to be way more responsive without emerald running
[17:22] <Gnine> on 32bit
[17:23] <Gnine> even wine is working again
[17:25] <Sebastian> Is there any information I could provide on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/191733 to faciliate the resolving of this issue? Because of this, Hardy is atm pretty much unusable for me.
[17:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191733 in ubuntu "Screen randomly turns black with Ati Xpress 1100 graphics card" [Undecided,New]
[17:26] <Sebastian> For starters, I am not even sure if I am experiencing the same issue as the original reporter.
[17:27] <TheInfinity> Sebastian: try to get an xorg log when screen is black
[17:27] <jimmygoon> haha the freewins is fun though buggy and largely useless. I want to try anaglyph but my pc is too lame
[17:28] <Sebastian> TheInfinity: Will try to do that when I am back home where I can actually ssh into my notebook from another machine.
[17:28]  * cyphase likes the new GDM theme
[17:28] <TheInfinity> Sebastian: or change to a console
[17:28] <TheInfinity> alt strg F1 helps :p
[17:28] <cyphase> wasn't the new new default gdm theme going to have the list of users?
[17:29] <jimmygoon> cyphase, is there a picture of it somewhere. several people have commented on it
[17:29] <cyphase> jimmygoon: 1 second, i'll post one
[17:30] <jimmygoon> cyphase, thanks!
[17:30] <Sebastian> TheInfinity: Changing to a console doesn't work.
[17:30] <TheInfinity> oh ;)
[17:31] <Sebastian> TheInfinity: ALT+F1 etc. has no effect when this happens.
[17:32] <cyphase> jimmygoon: http://www.cyphase.com/NewHardyGDMTheme.png
[17:32] <jimmygoon> thanks cyphase
[17:32] <cyphase> jimmygoon: np
[17:34] <damjan> same as the old one :)
[17:34] <Gnine> mine is better
[17:35] <tgelter> cyphase: is that the new gdm theme I just installed?
[17:35] <Gnine> actually.. i just got a cooler bg image .. i do use that theme tho
[17:35] <cyphase> tgelter: i don't know if you installed it, but it is the new GDM theme.. :)
[17:36] <tgelter> cyphase: was there a name change of the theme?
[17:36] <cyphase> tgelter: not that i know of
[17:39] <tgelter> ok, so I still haven't received an answer from anyone about this, but has anyone been having extra line-feeds printed when doing an "aptitude safe-upgrade" ? just a bunch of extra white space when stuff is sent to STOUT ?
[17:41] <secretlondon> I don't use aptitude, sorry
[17:42] <tgelter> png
[17:42] <tgelter> oops
[17:42] <tgelter> http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshottgelterguapurdn1.png
[17:43] <tgelter> that's what's happening when I hit enter (no, I don't hold down the enter key)
[17:44] <tgelter> can anyone else confirm that this is a bug? otherwise I'll investigate it as a local issue
[17:46] <Gnine> i use update-manager.
[17:47] <Gnine> the new human theme is nice too
[17:47] <LimCore> tgelter: same thing here
[17:48] <LimCore> tgelter: its common for most console basic i/o apps
[17:48] <LimCore> just dont press the enter =)
[17:48] <tgelter> LimCore: thanks for responding! I've asked that same question several times in here already
[17:48] <LimCore> tgelter: no problem
[17:48] <tgelter> Limcore: this is an actual issue though, it's not like I'm holding down the key
[17:49] <tgelter> LimCore: what do you mean that it's common? injecting extra white space onto the terminal is not something common...
[17:49] <LimCore> if you dont hold the enter, then something is wrong, report a bug
[17:49] <secretlondon> tgelter I presume it's because most people are running gnome and hence don't know anything about aptitude
[17:49] <LimCore> if you DO hold, then it is ok.  if you do NOT hold enter, then its wrong
[17:49] <tgelter> secretlondon: what do you mean? I run gnome...
[17:49]  * Gnine uninstalls emerald
[17:50] <tgelter> LimCore: yeah, I totally understand that...I work on the command line almost exclusively
[17:50] <tgelter> =)
[17:50] <zniavre> hello
[17:50] <secretlondon> tgelter: I thought aptitude was the kubuntu version of synaptic
[17:50] <secretlondon> I use apt-get from the cli, and synaptic as a gui
[17:50] <zniavre> compiz does not want to start is it normal?
[17:50] <tgelter> secretlondon: aptitude is a lot like apt-get
[17:51]  * Gnine nods 
[17:51] <tgelter> one benefit to aptitude is that it also has a text user interface (ncurses?)
[17:51] <nacer> hi
[17:51] <Gnine> but apt-get feels more ubuntuish
[17:51] <Gnine> :-P
[17:52] <tgelter> it used to be that apt-get didn't auto-remove deps when you uninstalled a package as well, but now, with apt-get autoremove, that functionality is built into apt-get
[17:52] <nacer> so like some other people i have sound probleme after upgrade from gusty to hardy
[17:53] <secretlondon> tgelter: okay. I use apt-get when i want more control, and synaptic when I wan't to see versions (as I can't work out how to get that from apt-get)
[17:53] <secretlondon> nacer: there was a prob with a kernel but it's fixed now
[17:53] <tgelter> nacer: I had sound problems a few days ago, but updates fixed them later that same day
[17:53] <nacer> i have made the upgrade today
[17:53] <nacer> and i have it
[17:54] <secretlondon> nacer: please file a bug then, on linux
[17:54] <tgelter> secretlondon: I have this lovely/nasty habit of wanting to do everything from the CLI
[17:54] <nacer> there is a command to submit a bug ?
[17:54] <nacer> or i have to go on launchpad
[17:54] <nacer> ?
[17:54] <secretlondon> go to launchpad, if you submit using ubuntu it'll probably file it against the wrong thing
[17:55] <secretlondon> tgelter: I'm getting better at using the cli, I used to be a total noob
[17:55] <tgelter> secretlondon: we're all noobs when we get started! =)
[17:55] <secretlondon> nacer: the submit a bug thing from ubuntu files the bug against the application you've used
[17:55] <secretlondon> nacer: for sound issues you want them against the kernel
[17:56] <nacer> secretlondon, i think too
[17:56] <nacer> secretlondon, because i have .ko file but he does load it
[17:56] <nacer> doesn´t
[17:56] <secretlondon> the kernel in hardy is called linux, no numbers afterwards
[17:56] <jimmygoon> less than a week till beta :O
[17:56] <nacer> secretlondon, ok
[17:56] <Gnine> you have a driver issue.. not a kernel one
[17:57] <nacer> Gnine, the dirver worked well on gusty
[17:58] <secretlondon> well bug triagers are being told that most audio stuff should be filed against the kernel
[17:58] <jimmygoon> restricted-modules - make sure its installed!
[17:58] <damjan> nacer: a .ko file depends on the kernel version
[17:58] <Gnine> you need a new driver to work with the new kernel .. sounds like..
[17:58] <damjan> you can't have one for Gutsy's kernel to run on Hardy's kernel
[17:58] <damjan> it needs to be recompiled
[17:59] <nacer> damjan, i dont have a gusty kernel
[17:59] <damjan> nacer: you said 'the dirver worked well on gusty'
[17:59] <nacer> Linux PtiPanda 2.6.24-12-386 #1 Wed Mar 12 22:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:00] <nacer> damjan, yup before i was on gusty
[18:00] <damjan> what driver is the problem?
[18:01] <Gnine> exactly.. get a hardy version of the driver or compile it yourself
[18:01] <nacer> /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ubuntu/sound/alsa-driver/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko
[18:01] <jimmygoon> Has hardy made advances with battery management. Ubuntu is killing me; either I have it shutdown when the battery dies (which is acutally 15 minutes before the battery actually runs out, or I let it literally die and then I have to set through a 15 minute disk check)
[18:01] <nacer> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[18:02] <damjan> nacer: snd-intel8x0 is not the driver you need
[18:02] <damjan> nacer: you need snd-hda-intel
[18:02] <nacer> modprobe snd-hda-intel
[18:02] <nacer> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[18:02] <nacer> same problem
[18:03] <damjan> no.. that's a whole another problm
[18:03] <nacer> damjan, lsmod | grep snd
[18:03] <nacer> root@PtiPanda:/lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ubuntu/sound/alsa-driver/pci#
[18:03] <nacer> he dont load the driver
[18:04] <damjan> nacer: like it says: "not found"
[18:04] <nacer> /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ubuntu/sound/alsa-driver/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
[18:04] <nacer> rw-r--r--  1 root root 450156 2008-03-11 14:02 snd-hda-intel.ko
[18:04] <nacer> he s here :)
[18:04] <damjan> depmod -ae
[18:05] <nacer> and ?
[18:05] <nacer> modprobe again ?
[18:05] <damjan> yes
[18:05] <nacer> not found
[18:05] <nacer> i have some logs
[18:05] <nacer> [ 3486.824351] snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[18:05] <nacer> [ 3555.232137] snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[18:06] <damjan> wait.. did you upgrade something recently?
[18:07] <nacer> yep gusty to hardy 2 hours ago
[18:07] <damjan> did you reboot?
[18:07] <nacer> yep
[18:07] <nacer> a lot
[18:07]  * Gnine gives thumbs up to new gnome human theme
[18:07] <Pici> nacer: make sure you are using the -generic kernel, not -i386
[18:08] <nacer> Pici, ok
[18:08] <damjan> Pici: oh right he is using 2.6.24-12-386
[18:08] <nacer> aptitude remove --purge linux-image-2.6.24-12-386
[18:08] <nacer> reboot times
[18:08] <tgelter> once I've created a bug, am I automatically subscribed to it? (will I be mailed status changes, etc.?)
[18:09] <Pici> nacer: make sure you installed -generic first :
[18:09] <Pici> tgelter: yes
[18:09] <Gnine> yes, tgelter
[18:10] <tgelter> Gnine: thanks
[18:11] <Gnine> Pici beat me to it though  ;-)
[18:11] <tgelter> Pici: thanks, I just realized that you messaged too
[18:12] <tgelter> (with Gnine's help)
[18:12] <Pici> :D
[18:12] <tgelter> bbl
[18:13] <tgelter> actually, question first: is there a way to quickly apply all the artwork defaults?
[18:13] <tgelter> I want to see what the artwork will be like, but I don't want to have to go back and go clicking around in the appearance gui
[18:14] <tgelter> (I want the GDM theme set to default, icons, metacity theme, etc. to go back to normal)
[18:14] <Pici> tgelter: you could create a new user.. I think that should work.  Or just go clicking in appearance
[18:14] <tgelter> Pici: yeah, the new user idea would be easiest. thanks!
[18:14] <tgelter> ok, bbl
[18:15] <Rudin_> hello
[18:16] <Rudin_> I have Hardy Heron installed, 64 bit version, how can I see Java Applets in Firefox with this configuration?
[18:17] <Rudin_> I can see only a grey box instead of the applet
[18:17] <nemo> Rudin_: ... oh. you do see a grey box at least eh
[18:17] <Rudin_> hehe
[18:17] <nemo> Rudin_: so it isn't the usual plugins installed to wrong dir thing
[18:18] <nemo> Rudin_: maybe just hasn't loaded yet?
[18:18] <nemo> otherwise no clue 'bout 64b
[18:18] <Rudin_> nope, the applet loads almost instantaneously in other OS
[18:28] <fromport> rudin: it's one of the things which isn't perfect (yet)
[18:28] <hackel> When I run compiz from my current user account, I'm only getting a white screen.  When I run it from a new account, however, it works fine.  Any idea what the cause might be?
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[18:29] <h3sp4wn> Rudin_: Thinking its ever going to be perfect prior to release is probably a bad idea
[18:29] <h3sp4wn> (Java7 is not even in Solaris Express yet because it actually is alpha software)
[18:30] <Rudin_> well, I had the same problem with Gutsy
[18:30] <fromport> hackel: i had that behaviour (white screen on ati fglrx driver) on _all_ accounts. I did a fresh install with alpha6 and it's working fine (at my hardware)
[18:31] <h3sp4wn> I just use 32 bit java + firefox + flash
[18:31] <h3sp4wn> (equivs to satisfy the dependancy on ubuntu-desktop
[18:31] <Rudin_> h3sp4wn: so, you think they will mend this 64 bit problem with the release of Hardy Heron? or Java 7?
[18:31] <h3sp4wn> With java7 it should be working properly
[18:31] <hackel> fromport: Yes, obviously the issue is a setting in my user account.  But I'm not willing to recreate all my settings just for compiz.
[18:32] <h3sp4wn> (even when its a beta probably be mostly ok)
[18:32] <Rudin_> h3sp4wn: "32 bit java + firefox + flash"  in Hardy 64? or Hardy 32?
[18:32] <Rudin_> flash works in Hardy 64
[18:32] <fromport> hackel: i agree, but again: i had it with _all_ my accounts when it hit me
[18:32] <Rudin_> quite well
[18:33] <h3sp4wn> Rudin_: hardy 64
[18:33] <h3sp4wn> I don't like nspluginwrapper
[18:34] <h3sp4wn> (and I don't need any of the benefits of 64 bit for running a browser)
[18:34] <Rudin_> h3sp4wn: I don't matter to use Java 32 if I can see Java applets in Firefox with it
[18:35] <h3sp4wn> use the mozilla.com binaries in /opt is what I do
[18:35] <Rudin_> you can? How have you configured it?
[18:35] <h3sp4wn> You cannot have a 32 bit java with a 64 bit firefox
[18:35] <Rudin_> I think I have 32 bit Firefox
[18:36] <hackel> When I run "gconftool -u --recursive-unset /apps/compiz" nothing seems to happen...  I've also removed ~/.gconf/apps/compiz, I just can't get the settings to go away!
[18:37] <fromport> hackel: aptitude purge compiz-gnome
[18:40] <hackel> fromport:  That won't touch the settings in my user profile.
[18:41] <nacer> hehe i am back
[18:41] <nacer> new bug with sur generic kernel
[18:41] <nacer> clocksource tsc unstable
[18:41] <nacer> so i have re install the 386 kernel
[18:41]  * jimmygoon is going to install alpha 6
[18:41]  * nacer go smoke
[18:43] <beavis> hey are there any mirrors for cdimage.ubuntu.com? cdimage.ubuntu.com is extremly slow atm
[18:43] <beavis> 3kb/s
[18:44] <TheInfinity> beavis: bittorrent
[18:44] <TheInfinity> -> always fast :)
[18:44] <beavis> there are only jigdo links on cdimage, no torrents
[18:44] <Gnine> also preffered
[18:45] <nastas> problem on Firefox 3.0b4. whenever i choose to see the add-ons, asks me to restart firefox any idea?
[18:45] <TheInfinity> beavis: for ubuntu hardy alpha6?
[18:45] <TheInfinity> there are .torrent files :p
[18:45] <beavis> TheInfinity, I'd prefer a nightly build
[18:48] <jimmygoon> does anyone really use jigdo?
[18:48] <beavis> TheInfinity, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/ can you try to open this URL? it takes hours here
[18:49] <jimmygoon> hmm... it is... not loading
[18:49] <jimmygoon> :/
[18:49] <jimmygoon> I was wanting to use it today too
[18:49] <beavis> yes, me too :(
[18:49] <TheInfinity> beavis: thats why i use torrent files ...
[18:49] <beavis> since the upgrade to  hardy broke lots of things here yesterday :/
[18:50] <TheInfinity> beavis: hardy is alpha ;)
[18:50] <jimmygoon> TheInfinity, do you happen to have a torrent for ubuntu alpha 6 laying aorund?
[18:50]  * Gnine will search for torrent file as soon as 92 updates are finished 
[18:50] <TheInfinity> site has been loaded
[18:50] <TheInfinity> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/hardy-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent <-- for example
[18:50] <jimmygoon> yeah it loaded finally
[18:50] <TheInfinity> just wait a while
[18:51] <jimmygoon> relatively... how stable is the inplace gutsy->hardy upgrade?
[18:52]  * jimmygoon prays that the intel driver problems are fixed
[18:53] <beavis> well I have no sound now, it always sets the default language to EN and some more minor issues
[18:53] <beavis> so I'd say the upgrade is "almost" stable
[18:55] <jimmygoon> well, my internet appears to be "fast" today so the iso is comign down fast enough
[18:56] <beavis> alpha-6 or the nightly build?
[18:56] <beavis> It'll take another 26 hours to download the nightly :)
[18:57] <savvas> beavis: alpha-6 is a safer bet
[18:57] <jetsaredim> is there a new livecd with gnome 2.22 on it?
[18:57] <beavis> well the nightly build
[18:57] <beavis> yes
[18:59] <savvas> jetsaredim: http://torrent.gnome.org/
[19:00] <qzio> is there any known problem with NetworkManager? I have latest upgrade and it doesn't work, seems like it cant connect to the AP if i use wpa_supplicant it works...
[19:01] <jetsaredim> savvas: but no ubuntu livecd with new gnome?
[19:02] <savvas> jetsaredim: why? you could try the beta when it's out
[19:03] <anna> Hello, I would like to use metacity and compositing instead of compiz, how to achieve that?
[19:03] <jetsaredim> savvas: i'm going to be reinstalling my system tonight
[19:03] <ddurham> kwin has a memory leak in kubuntu hardy, right?
[19:03] <h3sp4wn> anna: There is a gconf key
[19:03] <lamalex> anna: http://lamalex2.blogspot.com/2008/03/enabling-composite-with-metacity-in.html
[19:04] <secretlondon> anna in the appearance tab I think
[19:04] <jetsaredim> and I haven't decided if i'm going to switch from my comfy kde setup or try gnome
[19:04] <savvas> jetsaredim: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/ - there are some screenshots to check out
[19:05] <ddurham> I see shared memory for the kwin process steadily growing
[19:05] <anna> Thanks, I am reading it
[19:05] <lamalex> np
[19:06] <mooboo1> Does Ubuntu/Canonical have any legal-contact?
[19:06] <anna> Wait, if I say "no effects", is that compiz or metacity normally?
[19:06] <mooboo1> It is called "hwtest" (hardware test), all questions are related to the computer hardware. So you would think it collect only hardware information, but it secretly collects what packages you have installed. That is spyware! It is an intrusion on users privacy! I don't tolerate this kind of !@#$
[19:06] <anna> Cause I am under impression, Ubuntu is using compiz in any case.
[19:06] <Rotlaus> I just installed Alpha6, made an upgrade and restarted. Now my sound isn't working anymore. Did fine befor restart. How can i check what went wrong?
[19:06] <maccam94> anna: metacity
[19:06] <maccam94> Rotlaus: dmesg?
[19:07] <anna> ah great, so setting that gconf key will do the trick with the no effect setting.
[19:07] <maccam94> Rotlaus: an update probably just broke something
[19:07] <anna> thanks for helping
[19:07] <maccam94> anna: no problem
[19:07] <secretlondon> mooboo1: how did you find out what it collected?
[19:07] <mooboo1> secretlondon, someone posted it on launchpad, i assume he used a packetsniffer
[19:07] <maccam94> mooboo1: ...? maybe it's checking what drivers you might have installed?
[19:08] <mooboo1> secretlondon, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hwtest/+bug/201336
[19:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201336 in hwtest "report contains package information" [Undecided,New]
[19:08] <mooboo1> maccam94, by sending all my packages to them?
[19:08] <lamalex> anna: that's compiz
[19:08] <maccam94> lamalex: i'm pretty sure no effects is metacity
[19:08] <mooboo1> not first time ubuntu dont respect users privacy, up until i reported it, apport would send peoples usernames in bugreports
[19:08] <maccam94> compiz requires compositing
[19:08] <lamalex> maccam94: the no effects in appearance turns of compiz
[19:09] <lamalex> maccam94: has no effect on metacity
[19:09] <secretlondon> if it is, no effects is saner than changing gconf keys
[19:09] <lamalex> maccam94: to turn on metacity compisiting, you need to edit gconf
[19:09] <savvas> mooboo1: I believe we're still in alpha, it's a testing period, file a bug to fix it.
[19:09] <undu> Hmmm, how do I get xubuntu 8.04 alpha 6 through apt-get ? xubuntu-desktop got me 7.10, do I need to change /etc/apt/sources.list or is the latest alpha named differently?
[19:09] <Rotlaus> @maccam94, My dmesg: http://pastebin.org/23676
[19:09] <mooboo1> savvas, oh i did
[19:09] <h3sp4wn> Changing gconf keys is alot saner than trying to find where they didn't put options for hours
[19:09] <lamalex> :P
[19:09] <h3sp4wn> (network manager is nicer to deal with just through gconf)
[19:10] <mooboo1> also, x-chat dont open links anymore? firefox anymore?
[19:10] <lamalex> you don't want the metacity key checked and compiz on at the same time, I don't really know what happens then but I imaging compiz ignores it
[19:10] <lamalex> and takes over
[19:10] <savvas> mooboo1: no offense then, but who asked you to run it? :P
[19:10] <h3sp4wn> You only have metacity or compiz
[19:10] <mooboo1> savvas, it was on my system!
[19:10] <secretlondon> mooboo1 not for me but I presumed because I was using epiphany for an experiment
[19:10] <mooboo1> i should be able to run software on my system without it spy on me
[19:11] <mooboo1> secretlondon, i dont use epiphany
[19:11] <mooboo1> i use firefox beta4
[19:11] <h3sp4wn> You can choose to run it or not run it
[19:11] <savvas> mooboo1: then remove it, i believe the term spyware is used when it's collecting without your knowledge, it states what it is and what it does, you were actually approving it to send data, whatever that may be
[19:11] <h3sp4wn> mooboo1: Use Openbsd if you have such extreme paranoia
[19:11] <secretlondon> but its installed automatically
[19:11] <oxigen> my new gnome workspace switcher doesn't update new settings, is this known problem?
[19:11] <Pici> mooboo1: It asks you before it submits the bug reports, and lets you look at them before you submit them
[19:11] <mooboo1> "Greetings dear user, we are sorry that you are upset about spyware. But please remember, you can choose whether to run it or not, you don't have to if you don't want. Good luck and take care"
[19:12] <secretlondon> the new hw tool doesn't actually tell you what it submits
[19:12] <savvas> plus, the bug reports are marked as "private" most of the times, a bug triager checks if it's ok to make it public
[19:12] <maccam94> lamalex: i'm not talking about enabling compositing, anna wanted to know about disabling effects and whether or not it switched from compiz to metacity when you do that
[19:12] <mooboo1> Pici, yeah but up until recently, before i reported it, it would send usernames and hostnames
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> Its totally useless anyway
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> (For the user)
[19:12] <lamalex> maccam94: I though she was trying to enable metacity compositing
[19:12] <mooboo1> Pici, thanks to my vigilant eye that spotted this privacy intrustion and my swift bugreport, we can all enjoy freedom and privacy!
[19:12] <anna> maccam94: actually i wanted to know how to enable metacity :)
[19:13] <Pici> mooboo1: Okay.
[19:13] <lamalex> lamalex+1
[19:13] <Pici> mooboo1: no need to harp on it now though.
[19:13] <anna> i was good enough to read the announcement and find the gconf stuff
[19:13] <anna> i understand it's not yet part of the gui to enable it, I just thought Gnome was always with Compiz on Ubuntu
[19:13] <maccam94> anna: what do you mean by "enable metacity"
[19:13] <mooboo1> but now that i hear that a HARDWARE test sent all my SOFTWARE packages without my consent, I am pissed! My fist shake! I want to blow up things!
[19:13] <h3sp4wn> anna: Its not known how stable it is yet I think
[19:13] <anna> maccam94: That I didn't know that metacity was running by default
[19:13] <secretlondon> mooboo1 looks like one of the core devs
[19:14] <Amaranth> mooboo1: bug #?
[19:14] <anna> h3sp4wn: Well, Compiz fails badly on some old app we use
[19:14] <mooboo1> Amaranth, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hwtest/+bug/201336
[19:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201336 in hwtest "report contains package information" [Undecided,New]
[19:14] <secretlondon> bug #201336
[19:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201336 in hwtest "report contains package information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201336
[19:14] <lamalex> anna: did that blog post answer your question?
[19:14] <maccam94> anna: compiz runs by default if graphics drivers support it. if you set No Effects in the Appearance window, you would be running metacity
[19:14] <anna> very much so
[19:14] <secretlondon> bug #202559
[19:14] <h3sp4wn> anna: It makes my apps significantly slower also
[19:14] <secretlondon> bug #202259
[19:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202259 in hwtest "hwtest does not say what it sends" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202259
[19:15] <mooboo1> when it comes to privacy, anonymity and security, i don't let shit fly, i put my foot down!
[19:15] <anna> Ubuntu does hide that switching of window managers so fine, great work
[19:15] <Pici> !language | mooboo1
[19:15] <ubotu> mooboo1: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[19:15] <Amaranth> right, mvo (a core dev) filed the bug
[19:15] <mooboo1> oh sorry, i just get so upset about this privacy violation
[19:15] <Amaranth> and it is useful to have at least a subset of your installed packaged reported
[19:15] <oxigen> h3sp4wn: what makes your apps significantly slower?
[19:15] <anna> which one anyway, mooboo1 ?
[19:15] <Amaranth> nvidia-glx, xorg-driver-fglrx, etc
[19:15]  * secretlondon nods at Amaranth
[19:16] <Amaranth> driver packages
[19:16] <savvas> mooboo1: you should restrict your apt to several users and to some extent then :)
[19:16] <mooboo1> anna, bug id 201336
[19:16] <maccam94> mooboo1: does hwtest run automatically?
[19:16] <Amaranth> no you have to run it
[19:16] <mooboo1> maccam94, no
[19:16] <secretlondon> but its 'official'
[19:16] <mooboo1> maccam94, not that i am aware of
[19:16] <mooboo1> secretlondon, indeed
[19:16] <h3sp4wn> oxigen: Makes Opengl stuff more painful and slow
[19:16] <oxigen> hmm
[19:16] <secretlondon> installed automatically and has ubuntu logo as icon
[19:16] <h3sp4wn> oxigen: (Simvision recently)
[19:16] <mooboo1> Amaranth, yes it could be useful to send my nvidia version, but then it should ask me first, and present me with all information that it will send, before it sends it
[19:17]  * oxigen checks
[19:17] <secretlondon> anyway if it was really evil it'd be closed source ;)
[19:17] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: latest compiz git makes it so fullscreen windows that change your resolution (like games) are still unredirected so compiz has zero impact on their performance
[19:17] <maccam94> mooboo1: what would you say the purpose of hwtest is?
[19:18] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: Who said anything about full screen
[19:18] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: in that case run it fullscreen or get a better video card :P
[19:18] <thewhitepelican> any idea why hardy would just die in the middle of a dist-upgrade?
[19:18] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: ? My apps open multiple windows
[19:19] <anna> full disk is a candidate?
[19:19] <Amaranth> choice 2 then :P
[19:19] <Amaranth> running an OpenGL app under compiz should not be a significant slowdown, the app should only be updating 60 times a second
[19:19] <h3sp4wn> If you need the absolute best quadro to use compiz and my apps its not worth it
[19:20] <Amaranth> if it is a significant slowdown then your video card can barely run the stuff anyway or you have an unoptimized driver
[19:20] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: nonsense, my 7400 go works just fine
[19:20] <Amaranth> and it is very slow
[19:20] <anna> mooboo1: Did you ever consider that Ubuntu has better means to track what packages you have installed than that package? In the end, you download them all from one place, don't you?
[19:20] <Amaranth> probably still 5x faster than the intel 965 but still
[19:20]  * Gnine runs 8.04 on 2ghz celeron and nvidia mx4000 
[19:21] <Amaranth> in this case the intel driver is probably the problem
[19:21] <oxigen> my 7600 run nice too
[19:21] <mooboo1> anna, hmm yes true.. i didnt consider that, but still
[19:21] <secretlondon> anna actually no, the mirrors are often independently run
[19:21] <thewhitepelican> any idea why hardy would just die in the middle of a dist-upgrade?
[19:21] <Amaranth> what kind of performance hit do you think updating the screen 60 times a second should cause?
[19:21] <mooboo1> anna, i sure hope that apt-get doesn't use an unique identifier when it requests packages
[19:21] <maccam94> the main ubuntu mirrors aren't tho
[19:21] <maccam94> afaik
[19:21] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: Its texture memory that I need
[19:21] <maccam94> and those are the ones used by default
[19:21] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: oh, in that case you're boned
[19:21] <mooboo1> i hope its like "GET package.deb" not "USERID=12343858395349 GET package.deb"
[19:21] <Amaranth> compiz uses basically all of it :P
[19:21] <anna> secretlondon: Allow independents of Ubuntu to track you? :)
[19:21] <h3sp4wn> I have 512MB
[19:22] <mooboo1> and now compiz made my xchat gray? why? :(
[19:22] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: and? :)
[19:22] <maccam94> mooboo1: no, there is not per machine tracking afaik. there is separate, OPTIONAL, package reporting
[19:22] <Amaranth> mooboo1: your xchat stopped responding to pings
[19:22] <hofmann> Hello
[19:22] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: Can I just say use a bit of it
[19:22] <maccam94> but mooboo1, so what if they know what software is installed? it's all free OSS anyway
[19:22] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: sure, whatever compiz is not using
[19:22] <mooboo1> Amaranth, well my xchat works now, i can read what you say, and chat
[19:22] <oxigen> but i have no idea why is java still such a pain?! isn't open source now?
[19:22] <anna> mooboo1: With Redhat you have to have one, consider yourself lucky it's Ubuntu and to my knowledge, they don't have such a key
[19:22] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: I mean make compiz use 128MB or whatever
[19:22] <hofmann> Hello @ll! I have a right problem when I mount a partition on ubuntu.
[19:23] <Amaranth> mooboo1: i didn't say it died, i said it stopped responding to pings
[19:23] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: that is not possible
[19:23] <oxigen> azureus just crashing :/
[19:23] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: we have to have a texture in memory for every single window currently open on every viewport
[19:23] <hofmann> Is somebody here with some knowledge in this area and some interesst to help me?
[19:23] <secretlondon> as both me and canonical are in the uk they probably have to comply with the data protection act
[19:23] <mooboo1> h3sp4wn, h3ll0 2 u!! 0k wh47 15 y0ur pr0bl3m?
[19:23] <tgelter> ok, so submitting bugs *does* give me the warm-fuzzies
[19:23] <maccam94> secretlondon: canonical is based on the isle of man
[19:24] <oxigen> do i need to install blackdown java to have useful java?
[19:24] <mooboo1> h3sp4wn, oops sorry wrong msg
[19:24] <Amaranth> maccam94: for tax purposes, their main office is in london
[19:24] <secretlondon> the servers and office are in the uk
[19:24] <mooboo1> hofmann, ll0 2 u!! 0k wh47 15 y0ur pr0bl3m?
[19:24] <hofmann> Thx ok
[19:24] <hofmann> I installed Alpha six with the following partition layout
[19:24] <secretlondon> isle of man is a tax haven
[19:24] <mooboo1> oxigen, what is blackdown java?
[19:24] <hofmann> 40 GB, ext3, /
[19:24] <hofmann> 20 GB, ext3, /home
[19:25] <hofmann> 70 GB, ext3, /media/data
[19:25] <hofmann> and some swap
[19:25] <oxigen> mooboo1: it looks it's down atm.. :)
[19:25] <mooboo1> Windows CE + ME + NT = CEMENT, also known as Ubuntu
[19:25] <hofmann> Now my problem is that / and /home are working perfekt but i can not write on / media/data
[19:25] <oxigen> mooboo1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackdown_Java
[19:26] <maccam94> mooboo1: that's vista...
[19:26] <anna> that /media thing is suspicious
[19:26] <mooboo1> i would click on the link but xhcat dont open links, cuz its buggy!
[19:26] <hofmann> But i want only some kind of data partition for mp3s and some kind thinks ...
[19:26] <maccam94> mooboo1: right click, copy link
[19:26] <mooboo1> maccam94, ya ill do that
[19:26] <mooboo1> oh my firefox wont start, its buggy, its just crashed
[19:26] <maccam94> mooboo1: and it's probably just trying to use the wrong browser
[19:26] <nemo> maccam94: what's your prob with java?
[19:26] <maccam94> mooboo1: keep in mind, this is ALPHA SOFTWARE
[19:26] <anna> hofmann: when you type mount in a terminal, what does it give about that partition?
[19:27] <maccam94> nemo: i have no problem with java
[19:27] <nemo> oh. that was oxigen asking
[19:27] <maccam94> anna: /media?
[19:27] <hofmann> /dev/sda2 on /home type ext3 (rw)
[19:27] <hofmann> /dev/sda3 on /media/data type ext3 (rw)
[19:27] <hofmann> Same like home ...
[19:28] <maccam94> mooboo1 was staring to annoy me :-\
[19:28] <oxigen> nemo: i cant install plugin for FF and azureus crashing..
[19:28]  * maccam94 sighs
[19:28] <anna> hofman: do you check the permissions and ownership of /media/data
[19:28] <sioux> hi :-)
[19:28] <anna> maccam94: well yeah, like where automatic mounts are put
[19:29] <sioux> but how can i install java plugin for firefox on herdy?
[19:29] <oxigen> mooboo1 have paranoia
[19:29] <maccam94> anna: yeah i was just wondering what was suspicious about that
[19:29] <anna> hofmann: I would expect /media/data to be owned by root or something like that.
[19:29] <beavis> how can I change the system wide language setting after the upgrade?
[19:29] <sioux> sudo apt-get install xxxx   what?
[19:30] <maccam94> anna: i think stuff in /media is user-writable/mountable/ejectable
[19:30] <anna> maccam94: Like it could be a Windows partition, then read only mount would make some sort of sense... but that's not
[19:30] <hofmann> ups
[19:30] <Parsec300> I've just installed 7.10 on a laptop and the wifi works fine after installing a restricted driver (broadcom chip). But it does not work in Hardy. It keeps asking for firmware. Can I just copy the firmware from 7.10 and paste in Hardy?
[19:30] <oxigen> nemo: i talking about 64 bit thing..
[19:30] <maccam94> anna: except i think that it uses ntfs-3g by default now, so it would be rw :-P
[19:30] <maccam94> maybe cd's would be ro
[19:30] <hofmann> thx, the right from the folder was only root so now i changed that and all is fine.
[19:31] <sioux> one more why in network settings አንd
[19:31] <anna> maccam94: Yes, true... I recently installed Alpha 5 at a friend and was very positively surprised he could just go about and use his old data without changes
[19:31] <h3sp4wn> Amaranth: Yeah but it can run on alot less video ram (Makes it useless for the electronic engineering applications I need to use and I guess others) but this is an area where even universities like mine (who like Microsoft) use *NIX still - they try and fail with Windows every so often(Centos or RHEL) - it cannot do the "just work" thing for me with compiz
[19:31] <sioux> አህጅስህክክጅህጅጅክስክክክክክክክክክክክክክክክክክክክሥሥሥሥሥሥሥሥሥሥሥs
[19:31] <anna> hofmann: Good... :)
[19:31] <maccam94> anna: yeah when i installed alpha 6 i was surprised how great everything wroked
[19:31] <h3sp4wn> I wouldn't have bought a quadro 1600m to run compiz that would be pointless
[19:31] <maccam94> *worked
[19:32] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: the solution is a smarter driver that migrates textures out automatically if they are not currently being used
[19:32] <anna> And forget that Alpha part, the Kubuntu part has been so stable, I got bored today and switched to Gnome :p
[19:32] <sioux> ሀይ ውሃት"ስ jjjkkkkkk
[19:32] <Amaranth> h3sp4wn: in compiz itself we have no way of doing this but the driver could migrate out textures that aren't visible
[19:32] <sioux> ?
[19:32] <oxigen> i didn't know for gksudo, very useful thing!
[19:32] <sioux> not ok
[19:32] <Amaranth> sioux: stop hitting shift-space
[19:32] <Amaranth> sioux: System->Administration->Language Support, untick the checkbox
[19:32] <sioux> Amaranth: yes now is ok
[19:33] <sioux> why in network setting I can unlock set a static ip address but than it doesn't work?
[19:34] <sioux> network settings is ok only with roaming option enabled
[19:35] <sioux> i can surf the net only if network setting has enabled roaming... feisty is ok with static ip address
[19:37]  * oxigen is actually impressed with ubuntu! \o/
[19:37] <oxigen> :)
[19:38] <savvas> that mooboo1 was surely not welcome as an alpha tester
[19:38] <oxigen> haha, yea
[19:38] <maccam94> oh yeah that shift-space combo better get disabled before release
[19:39] <oxigen> agree maccam94
[19:39] <maccam94> i tried to file a bug against SCIM, but it's not handled by launchpad >_<
[19:39] <savvas> can someone tell me what's scim? :\
[19:39] <savvas> i still don't get what i can do with it
[19:40] <h3sp4wn> Switch keyboard layouts
[19:40] <oxigen> savvas: system > preferences
[19:40] <maccam94> oh wait i found it
[19:40] <secretlondon> maccam94 scim in ubuntu
[19:40] <h3sp4wn> It doesn't work for the one non standard keyboard I actually have
[19:40] <maccam94> yeah i just found it again
[19:42] <maccam94> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/200719
[19:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200719 in scim "scim default trigger "shift+space" is retarded" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:42] <tumi> anyone here using the x86_64 version and experiencing a rather unresponsive desktop?
[19:42] <savvas> h3sp4wn: i thought that was done using alt+shift or alt+alt
[19:42] <oxigen> tumi: probably you have driver issue..
[19:43] <oxigen> graphics that is..
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> savvas: Its a little different to that
[19:43] <tumi> oxigen: could be... I'm using the fglrx driver without compiz but the composite extension is not disabled
[19:44] <savvas> h3sp4wn: is it for language such japanese and chinese?
[19:44] <tumi> are there any known complications?
[19:44] <oxigen> tumi: which card do you have?
[19:44] <h3sp4wn> savvas: yep
[19:44] <tumi> oxigen: Radeon 9800 XT
[19:44] <savvas> ah then i don't need it :)
[19:44] <oxigen> aw, ati..
[19:44] <savvas> thanks
[19:44] <h3sp4wn> I don't need it either
[19:44] <tumi> oxigen: hehe, yeah
[19:44] <oxigen> sorry i use nvidia..
[19:45] <tumi> i'm going to try to disable fglrx
[19:47] <fromport> tumi: have you tried : system -> preferences -> appearance  -> visual effects -> none ?
[19:49]  * Gnine dl hardy-desktop-amd64 via transmission
[19:50] <Gnine> time remaining
[19:50] <Gnine> about 22 minutes
[19:50] <savvas> time estimated
[19:50] <savvas> not requested
[19:50] <savvas> :)
[19:50] <Gnine> 366kb/s
[19:51] <oxigen> ##gnome channel is weird..
[19:51] <savvas> why? they kicked you because you were advertising your blazing speeds? :P
[19:51] <oxigen> they are to high or something :)
[19:53] <oxigen> hi again, my new workspace switcher doesn't update new settings, is this known problem?
[19:53] <oxigen> ##gnome ^
[19:53] <ConstyXIV> is it normal for network-manager to not work after suspend?
[19:54] <fromport> oxigen: i removed it from the bar, added it again (right mouse button ) and than it worked (again) as expected
[19:54] <oxigen> fromport: thanks, i'll try!
[19:56] <oxigen> fromport: hmm, no luck here :(
[19:56] <oxigen> reboot :P
[19:57] <oxigen> ?
[19:57] <oxigen> nah, disabling compiz helps!
[20:02] <fromport> oxigen: i wanted to 2 rows of virtual desktops and wouldn't show. When i did what i described it worked again (for me)
[20:03] <poamj> I am using hardy. Every time i try to open this URL (http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu) firefox 3 beta crashes. I have also tryed to open with Firefox 2, and it still crashes. I managed to open it with Opera browser. Should i report it as a ubuntu bug or as a firefox bug ? could anybody using hardy test this, please ?
[20:03] <oxigen> yea, first we need to disable compiz and set it that way, after switching it on again it work as it should.
[20:03] <h3sp4wn> poamj: crashed for me straight away
[20:04] <poamj> so..
[20:04] <poamj> it should be reported as a hardy bug ?
[20:04] <oxigen> ha, new gnome is kinda cool, i have desktop switcher set as blenders layer system! 10 columns & 2 rows \o/ :)
[20:05] <crimsun> poamj: yes
[20:05] <poamj> ok.. i will check if there is no registry for this bug yet, and add a new one
[20:06] <h3sp4wn> poamj: With my firefox 2.0.12 from mozilla (I use 32 bit browser on other box) its fine
[20:07] <h3sp4wn> poamj: But even if you can read it - setting a password for root is not the ubuntu way afaik
[20:07] <h3sp4wn> (and its more the Debian way than the Ubuntu way) - There is a wiki page about the new ubuntu way of building kernels
[20:08] <amon__> i just tried to install tightvncserver
[20:08] <amon__> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:08] <amon__>   tightvncserver: Depends: vnc-common (>= 3.3.6-1)
[20:08] <amon__> E: Broken packages
[20:09] <poamj> I tried it with  firefox 2.0.12 (latest hardy package) right now, and it crashed too..
[20:09] <poamj> h3sp4wn: thanks for the advice..
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> poamj: Yeah I think the mozilla one might be statically linked
[20:10] <h3sp4wn> so it could be a bug somewhere else
[20:10] <poamj> h3sp4wn: probably
[20:12] <h3sp4wn> poamj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile (probably you don't need the ubuntu way)
[20:12] <h3sp4wn> poamj: see the bit about the older alternative Debian way
[20:13] <poamj> h3sp4wn: thanks.. i will take a look.
[20:16] <tumi> oxigen: I'm starting to think this sluggishness is not connected to graphics drivers
[20:16] <oxigen> tumi: no?
[20:16] <askand> Now I am using hardy heron daily live cd and everything works ok..but I dont have compiz activated.. In alpha 6 I had compiz by default but not now..drivers managers tells me that no proprietary drivers is needed for my system.. I use ati mobility radeon x600.. should I file a bug?
[20:17] <tumi> oxigen: simply closing one terminal for example, made the music from rhythmbox crackle a bit
[20:17] <h3sp4wn> askand: Yes if you don't need fglrx
[20:18] <h3sp4wn> then making people think they need it is not something that really should happen
[20:19] <askand> The progressbars is animated with the default theme but not if I change theme to example clearlooks, is that a bug?
[20:20] <h3sp4wn> I don't know about that
[20:23] <oxigen> tumi: you know i found that is very important what hardware do you choose for linux
[20:23] <oxigen> & the latest doesnt mean the best
[20:25] <oxigen> on some hardware it works, but somehow ugly
[20:25] <oxigen> especially sound
[20:25] <h3sp4wn> oxigen: same with Solaris the difference is its supported really damn well or doesnt work at all with Solaris (excluding 3rd party stuff)
[20:25] <h3sp4wn> Dunno which approach is best
[20:25] <oxigen> yeah h3sp4wn
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> There is some Linux drivers that barely work and I dunno whether having them at all is of much benefit
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> (especially if you just scan beforehand to see if something is supported by Linux)
[20:28] <tumi> oxigen: I know the fglrx drivers are a bit crappy but I've been using linux on this machine since the early 2.6 kernels
[20:29] <Black_Magic> Err, i cannot  use wireless in Ubuntu..
[20:29] <milosz> Does the no-sound bug still persist in current Hardy packages?
[20:30] <milosz> also the libc issue, is it still relevant?
[20:30] <h3sp4wn> milosz: Its not relevant unless you installed the borked packages
[20:30] <h3sp4wn> or your mirror is very out of sync
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> use apt-cache policy libc6 first though and check against the /topic
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> (after aptitude / apt-get update)
[20:31] <milosz> h3sp4wn, ok thanks.. and do you know the status with current kernel and the sound issue?
[20:31] <milosz> it was supposedly broken in .24-12
[20:32] <h3sp4wn> yeah but there has been loads of revisions of that since
[20:32] <h3sp4wn> (at least 2/3)
[20:32] <h3sp4wn> That was before the libc6 break
[20:32] <milosz> ah ok
[20:32] <milosz> ok thanks!
[20:33] <crimsun> "no sound"?
[20:33] <gew> i upgraded yesterday from gutsy sound worked just fine , today after whatever updates i lost my sound
[20:33] <gew> hih
[20:33] <crimsun> there's a lot of stuff broken in -11 and -12
[20:33] <gew> crimsun: it looks like i am not the only one
[20:33] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: Its fixed that issue
[20:34] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: to what does "that" refer?
[20:34] <milosz> crimsun, well someone mentioned it in #ubuntu
[20:34] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: the missing symbols for all soundcards
[20:34] <milosz> i don't know what was meant exactly
[20:34] <crimsun> oh, yeah, that's fixed in linux and l-u-m
[20:35] <TomaszD> hi, I'm having this recurring problem that flash videos in firefox just don't play. There's no sound and when I hit play they usually play for 3 seconds and then stop
[20:36] <oliver_g2> hello
[20:36] <TomaszD> it's like something is hogging the sound device, but it isn't
[20:36] <TomaszD> I had this before, it went away and now it's back
[20:36] <gew> TomaszD: it looks like we all have sound issues
[20:36] <oliver_g2> any idea why apport doesn't pick up crashed of gnome-panel?
[20:36] <gew> i got no sound either
[20:36] <crimsun> TomaszD: dpkg -l libflashsupport|grep ^ii
[20:36] <gew> and it worked
[20:37] <TomaszD> gew, well sound is one thing, it's just that the playback doesn't work
[20:37] <askand> http://svt.se/content/1/c8/01/08/07/11/080311BECKMAN_ERT43TY.asx can someone of you play this file in firefox?
[20:37] <crimsun> gew: you need to be more verbose
[20:37] <gew> TomaszD: do what crimsun told ya
[20:37] <oliver_g2> dmesg even says "gnome-panel[5238]: segfault at 00000044 eip b5b3fac9 esp bf88f480 error" yet there's no entry in /var/crash/ nor a message box :-/
[20:37] <oliver_g2> and the new clock seems prone to crash...
[20:37] <TomaszD> ii  libflashsupport                            1.9-0ubuntu1                 Support library for sound output of Flash 9 with pulseaudio
[20:38] <crimsun> TomaszD: what changes have you made to the sound configs?
[20:38] <TomaszD> yeah the clock is crashy for me too, every second time I click it the whole panel goes down
[20:38] <TomaszD> crimsun, umm oh blimey, I did make a change today
[20:38] <crimsun> clock works fine for me.  I also do not use compiz.
[20:38] <TomaszD> no compiz here either
[20:39] <oxigen> m-audio 1010lt work ok here
[20:39] <oxigen> but not on pulseaudio :(
[20:39] <TomaszD> ok I added this to .asoundrc to make skype and gizmo work without problems
[20:39] <TomaszD> prepare for a very short flood
[20:39] <TomaszD> pcm.pulse {
[20:39] <TomaszD>     type pulse
[20:39] <TomaszD> }
[20:39] <TomaszD> ctl.pulse {
[20:39] <TomaszD>     type pulse
[20:39] <TomaszD> }
[20:39] <oxigen> good tip!
[20:40] <TomaszD> no it isn't
[20:40] <TomaszD> apparently now flash doesn't work
[20:40] <oxigen> no? :)
[20:40] <oliver_g2> clock crashes the panel every once in a while when clicking on the panel entry to close the clock...
[20:40] <TomaszD> well gizmo and skype work fine with this
[20:40] <TomaszD> but flash is broken now
[20:40] <TomaszD> I'll check if this is the cause, one moment
[20:40] <burning-shorts> I downloaded the Hardy alpha 6 DVD and when I put it in, it asked me if I wanted to upgrade (I am using Gutsy).  It failed the upgrade because it could not download 3 packages.  It got a HTTP 403 (forbidden) error when trying to get them.  Is that a known issue?  if so, what is the workaround?
[20:41] <burning-shorts> the first time I said "yes" when it asked if I wanted to check for updated packages from the internet.  The second time it failed as well when I said "no" to that question
[20:42] <oliver_g2> burning-shorts: do you know which packages it failed to download?
[20:42] <burning-shorts> i didnt have them saved but can run the upgrade again and record it.  It seems to be consistent
[20:43] <TomaszD> oxigen, crimsun, gew, yes indeed, my fix broke flash
[20:43] <gew> k it looks like i was wrong , sound works just fine , only when u do youtube i get no sound
[20:43] <crimsun> TomaszD: it's not a fix
[20:43] <TomaszD> no fix and flash works great
[20:43] <oliver_g2> burning-shorts: ok... in what state is your system now? Does it work as expected, except for the the failed packages?
[20:44] <crimsun> TomaszD: you need to understand how libflashsupport works
[20:44] <gew> TomaszD: i have the same problem
[20:44] <crimsun> TomaszD: if you, in fact, have an asoundrc, it's honoured /before/ pulseaudio.
[20:44] <burning-shorts> oliver_g2:it backed out of the upgrade and I am still running Gutsy.  I will re-run it again and find out what packages they were
[20:44] <oliver_g2> that would probably be interesting
[20:45] <crimsun> TomaszD: unfortunately the real fix means fixing the non-Free binary-only Flash plugin
[20:45] <crimsun> and well, we all know how easily we have access to that source.
[20:45] <TomaszD> crimsun, my "fix" creates a pulse device that incompatible apps can go through, such as skype or gizmo. Everything else worked fine as well with this "fix".
[20:45] <crimsun> TomaszD: I'm referring specifically to your Flash interaction
[20:46] <crimsun> TomaszD: and no, I am explicitly against using that for the desktop component.  There's a reason it only ships with edubuntu.
[20:46] <TomaszD> crimsun, so there's no workaround to make gizmo skype and flash work at the same time without any of these getting the sound device for exclusive use?
[20:46] <crimsun> TomaszD: there is, but not easily and certainly not one that will go into Ubuntu Hardy.
[20:46] <TomaszD> crimsun, I'm not interested in industry-grade well tested fixes, just a workaround
[20:47] <Ayabara> my trash icon says no items in trash, but when I open it, there's trash there :-)
[20:47] <crimsun> TomaszD: there is no reliable workaround.  I just explained it.
[20:47] <crimsun> TomaszD: until the entire audio stack is overhauled, it will unfortunately be that way.
[20:48] <crimsun> TomaszD: that said, you could drop ALSA in favour of OSSv4.1, and things will generally be happy.
[20:48] <crimsun> I am /not/ about to sic that on unsuspecting people, however.
[20:48] <gew> crimsun: i installed libflashsupport now i get sound in firefox
[20:48] <gew> thank you
[20:49] <gew> ;;)
[20:49] <crimsun> gew: that's a FAQ, really.
[20:49] <oxigen> heh, i use wikipedia as pastebin, it's kinda cool! :)
[20:49] <gew> crimsun: thanx :X
[20:49] <TomaszD> alsa, oss... I thought pa was supposed to fix the audio jumble crimsun
[20:49] <oliver_g2> Ayabara: yes, I've seen that as well... Maybe it's the same as this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/72468 ?
[20:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72468 in gnome-applets "Trash looks empty, isn't" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:49] <TomaszD> now that I see it's just a plugin for alsa...
[20:50] <oliver_g2> !ubotu
[20:50] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[20:51] <crimsun> TomaszD: whoever put forth that theory is misleading people
[20:51] <oxigen> !ubotu OperationalError :)
[20:51] <crimsun> the audio stack historically has been a wormpile, and it looks to remain that way for quite some time
[20:53] <TomaszD> that doesn't sound very optimistic
[20:53] <TomaszD> but it's just those few proprietary apps that make this a horrible experience
[20:54] <Ayabara> oliver_g2: ok, so it's in the system then :-)
[20:54] <TomaszD> skype could actually make use of alsa *properly*
[20:54] <TomaszD> flash as well
[20:55] <crimsun> TomaszD: it doesn't sound optimistic, but I guarantee it's probably more optimistic for you than for me.
[20:55] <oxigen> :)
[20:56] <oxigen> wha? buy normal card and play ardour! :)
[20:56] <TomaszD> crimsun, as you're the one who will be/is trying to fix this? I'm just a user, I know. Well, also the Polish translation team admin :]
[20:57] <oliver_g2> !search ntfs > me
[20:57] <ubotu> Found: fawn, adeptcrash, usetab, music players, prefix, grubrepair, debchroot, lgpl, swat, ttys
[20:59] <burning-shorts> oliver_g2: regarding the dist upgrade I am having with Hardy...   I am trying it again to duplicate the "403" errors and it seems to be working now.. I expect to go offline shortly if all goes well
[20:59] <oliver_g2> burning-shorts: good luck :-)
[21:00] <burning-shorts> oliver_g2: I had to compile a few drivers for my laptop in Gutsy... will I have to recompile them after upgrading to Hardy?  or will it retain my drivers?
[21:01] <oliver_g2> most probably you will have to recompile them
[21:01] <oliver_g2> what drivers were that?
[21:02] <burning-shorts> oliver_g2: Syntek usb driver for my integrated web cam is the only one I cna think of... but I think there was one or two others I will undoubtedly be reminded of shortly!
[21:03] <oliver_g2> well if you're lucky these drivers will already be included in Hardy
[21:03] <burning-shorts> is there any advantage of dist upgrading my Gutsy to HArdy vs just doing a clean, fresh install?
[21:04] <oliver_g2> you keep your settings if you do an upgrade...
[21:04] <oliver_g2> but if you think you can re-do your settings without much hassle, I would recommend a reinstall
[21:06] <burning-shorts> ok, thx.  I am anxious to try the new version out.  Shhhh, don't tell my boss I am doing this during the work day!  :)
[21:07] <oliver_g2> pff... as long as you don't trash your work machine ;)
[21:07] <burning-shorts> nah, this is my personal laptop
[21:07] <gew> how do i find out what package has libncurses
[21:08] <gew> so i can install it
[21:08] <fredrin> ping
[21:08] <gew> found it
[21:08] <gew> :P
[21:08] <tritium> gew: apt-cache search is your friend
[21:08] <fredrin> trying do delete some files that got no rights, how do i do that?
[21:09] <gew> tritium: thanx
[21:09] <fredrin> looks like this: ---------- 1 root root      0 2008-03-14 22:07 compiz.mo.dpkg-new
[21:11] <fredrin> can't move that file, cant overwrite that file... wtf
[21:11] <oliver_g2> fredrin: maybe you can set write permissions first: sudo chmo a+rw compiz.mo.dpkg-new
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:11] <oxigen> hahah cool
[21:12] <oliver_g2> fredrin: err... that is "chmod", not "chmo"...
[21:12] <fredrin> oliver_g2: don't work chmod: changing permissions of `compiz.mo.dpkg-new': Operation not permitted
[21:12] <typhox> i need help
[21:12] <fredrin>  ttried that
[21:12] <fredrin>  whoami
[21:12] <fredrin> root
[21:12] <typhox> my gnome-panel crashes
[21:12] <fredrin> and I'm rooot
[21:12] <fredrin> very strange
[21:12] <oliver_g2> yes
[21:12] <fredrin> making me go nuts
[21:13] <oliver_g2> why do you need that file deleted? :)
[21:13] <burning-shorts> fredrin: you get that error in a "root" terminal?
[21:14] <burning-shorts> fredrin: and you can't "rm" the file?
[21:14] <fredrin> nope
[21:15] <burning-shorts> fredrin: is it possible the file is in use somehow?   <--- just guessing
[21:15] <fredrin> burning-shorts: maybe ho do i check that? lsof?
[21:17] <DanaG> YAY:
[21:17] <DanaG>   * Tweaking wallpaper to have less contrast as well as fixing the bleeding neck syndrome
[21:18] <burning-shorts> fredrin: not sure.  does that outptu show the file being 0 bytes?
[21:19] <fredrin> yes
[21:20] <oliver_g2> you could check if the file is being open ("lsof -n | grep compiz.mo.dpkg-new" might work), but afaik Linux allows you to remove a file even if it is opened...
[21:21] <savvas> fredrin: where's that file?
[21:23] <burning-shorts> about to reboot after dist upgrade to Hardy... yippie.  wish me luck!!!
[21:23] <fredrin> savvas: /usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES
[21:24] <savvas> fredrin: chattr -uia file
[21:25] <savvas> then do what you want with it :P
[21:25] <fredrin> savvas: hey it worked
[21:25] <fredrin> nice
[21:25] <savvas> :)
[21:25] <fredrin> what did that command do?
[21:26] <savvas>        The letters ‘acdijsuADST’ select the  new  attributes  for  the  files:
[21:26] <savvas>        append only (a), compressed (c), no dump (d), immutable (i), data jour‐
[21:26] <savvas>        nalling (j), secure deletion (s), no tail-merging (t), undeletable (u),
[21:26] <savvas> man chattr
[21:26] <savvas>        no  atime  updates  (A), synchronous directory updates (D), synchronous
[21:26] <fredrin> ;)
[21:26] <savvas>        updates (S), and top of directory hierarchy (T).
[21:26] <fredrin> kk
[21:26] <oliver_g2> wow
[21:26] <oliver_g2> savvas: that's a nice trick
[21:26] <savvas> ty :P
[21:27] <fredrin> 1337
[21:27] <oliver_g2> but... how did the file get into that state?
[21:27] <savvas> nah, i just know how to search
[21:28] <savvas> maybe it came in a package and the script didn't bother changing permissions/attributes
[21:28] <fredrin> something apt-get did
[21:29] <savvas> you broke it!
[21:29] <savvas> quick, to the ER
[21:29] <savvas> :P
[21:29] <oliver_g2> wow... chattr +i myfile indeed makes it non-removable, yet ls doesn't show it (lsattr does)... that borders on 1337-like magic indeed :-D
[21:29] <savvas> the gnu/linux manuals are a good way to start your leet-day :P
[21:30] <fredrin> I'm just helping a friend over ssh from Argentian in Norway with this problem, ah the wonder of linux, ssh, and friendsly people on irc
[21:30] <savvas> well you never know when you'll need a favour back
[21:30] <oliver_g2> savvas: did you read through all manuals...?
[21:31] <savvas> fredrin: i expect that million dollars.. :P
[21:31] <savvas> erm.. no
[21:31] <oliver_g2> see :-)
[21:31] <oliver_g2> ;)
[21:31] <savvas> but every time i need something i search
[21:32] <savvas> http://www.google.com/search?q="how+to"+%2Bchmod+%2B"----------+1+root+root"+%2B"Operation+not+permitted"
[21:32] <oliver_g2> well I think I will stay with that strategy as well, and also keep hanging out in 1337 channels like #ubuntu+1 ;) to learn such tricks...
[21:32] <oliver_g2> eh, right
[21:33] <h3sp4wn> perhaps l337 changed its meaning recently
[21:33] <savvas> yeah h3sp4wn it's not numbers in nicks :P
[21:33] <savvas> no offense :)
[21:33] <savvas> learning your system prevents you from having to format it every time you bump on to something
[21:33] <h3sp4wn> I have had this nick for 10 years
[21:33] <oliver_g2> no, afaik 1337 is still the answer to the universe and everything
[21:34] <oxigen> 42
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> I should change it to something else but never got around to it
[21:34] <savvas> heheh
[21:34] <oliver_g2> ;)
[21:34] <savvas> i should use my launchpad nick :p
[21:34] <oliver_g2> no, 42 was the number of the Illuminati - duh
[21:34] <medigeek> hello world :)
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> nah - e^(pi * i) + 1 = 0
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> thats the answer to everything
[21:35] <felipe_> The number keys of my keyboard are messed up
[21:35] <medigeek> maths aren't everything
[21:35] <medigeek> you have physics too, so e=mc^2 :p
[21:35] <felipe_> I press 8, for example, and my mouse cursor moves up instead
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> medigeek: physics is applied maths
[21:36] <felipe_> (on the "numpad" of a desktop keyboard)
[21:36] <h3sp4wn> as is everything else
[21:36] <oliver_g2> nah... e^pi - pi = 20 (if your cpu isn't broken)
[21:36] <medigeek> h3sp4wn: medicine is not applied maths :)
[21:36] <medigeek> you don't add 1+1 and always get 2
[21:36] <felipe_> oh man, math people
[21:36] <felipe_> tomorrow mit decisions are released!
[21:37] <oliver_g2> hmm... doesn't gnome calculator have pi stored?
[21:37]  * savvas reconnecting
[21:37] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g2: what do you mean ? pi * i
[21:37] <h3sp4wn> (i being sqrt -1)
[21:38] <oliver_g2> ?
[21:38] <savvas> lol
[21:38] <oliver_g2> (have found pi... it's under "Kon" button here)
[21:39] <savvas> 1/0 equals what then? :p
[21:39] <oliver_g2> interestingly, calculating e^pi in kcalc (kde) makes kcalc crash...
[21:39] <oliver_g2> err... krash I meant
[21:39] <h3sp4wn> google has it correctly
[21:39] <oliver_g2> which one?
[21:39] <h3sp4wn> e^(pi * i) + 1
[21:40] <h3sp4wn> (put it in exactly like that) gives you the answer
[21:40] <oliver_g2> lol
[21:40] <oliver_g2> someone hardwired that at google :-)
[21:40] <RAOF> Google does complex arithmetic?
[21:40] <h3sp4wn> Seems so
[21:41] <Flannel> oliver_g2: no, http://www.google.com/search?q=e%5E%282*pi*i%29
[21:41] <oliver_g2> hm ok, it's not hardwired...
[21:41] <oliver_g2> 1 + (e^(i * pi * 10)) = 2 - 1.22460635 × 10-15 i
[21:41] <oliver_g2> fascinating...
[21:41] <oliver_g2> does it also solve equations?
[21:41] <Flannel> oliver_g2: It uses Eulers formula
[21:41] <savvas> eh, they can evaluate pi, but not π :(
[21:43] <oliver_g2> Flannel: I must admit to not really know about the concept of i (apart from for (int = 0; and so on) so everything after h3sp4wns formula is above my head :-)
[21:43] <savvas> i + 1 = 1 + i
[21:43] <savvas> haha :)
[21:43] <oliver_g2> sounds good; go on
[21:43] <oliver_g2> ;)
[21:44] <h3sp4wn> i^2 = -1
[21:44] <Flannel> oliver_g2: e^(ix) = cos(x) + i sin(x)
[21:44] <savvas> hm.. so i is the square root of -1
[21:44] <savvas> is that solvable?
[21:44] <Flannel> savvas: what do you mean solvable?
[21:45] <savvas> sqrt(-1) = ?
[21:45] <Flannel> i
[21:45] <savvas> and don't tell me i
[21:45] <Flannel> thats what it is.
[21:45] <savvas> heh
[21:45] <savvas> so there's not a number
[21:45] <Flannel> i is a number
[21:45] <oliver_g2> so whats sqrt(-2)?
[21:45] <savvas> i is a letter :P
[21:45] <h3sp4wn> so is pi and e
[21:45] <Flannel> oliver_g2: i*sqrt(2)
[21:46] <Flannel> oliver_g2: since sqrt(-2) = sqrt(2*-1) = sqrt(2) * sqrt(-1)
[21:46] <savvas> i never heard about i heh
[21:46] <oliver_g2> ugh... math lessons have been soooo long ago for me :-/
[21:46] <oliver_g2> maybe too long :-(
[21:46] <savvas> unless i forgot my gce a level maths after 5 years
[21:47] <h3sp4wn> If there is an answer to everything I think that will feature somewhere in it
[21:48] <savvas> i * sqrt(-1) + 1
[21:48] <savvas> :)
[21:48] <oliver_g2> http://www.google.de/search?q=e%5E%28pi+*+i%29+%2B+43
[21:48] <oliver_g2> ;)
[21:48] <Flannel> savvas: = 0
[21:50] <h3sp4wn> savvas: would have been in further maths if you did that
[21:52] <fredrin> gah, back to the problem that caused the problems in the first place, apt dependencies...
[22:00] <MegaIRC> Why is there an option for "Try Ubuntu" and one for "Install Ubuntu" on the desktop iso?
[22:01] <Ng> the install ubuntu one skips the desktop and just launches straight into the installer afair
[22:01] <jimmyg00n> how does it "skip" the desktop? it doesn't load all of the gnome stuff?
[22:01] <jimmyg00n> (it has to load parts at the very least)
[22:01] <jimmyg00n> the wallpaper is beautiful
[22:02] <DanaG> I don't like how the background is now solid.
[22:02] <DanaG> And it's still "baby puke" color, as my mom described it.
[22:02] <jimmyg00n> The one I've got is very creative with lots of swirls and a bird and all kinds of stuff
[22:02] <jimmyg00n> unfortunately, I can't say the installer works so great. It just a huge grey box that covers 98% of the wallpaper
[22:02] <jimmyg00n> ... and its done...?
[22:03] <jimmyg00n> GR, its the intel driver that is still screwed up giving people the wrong sized windows/fonts
[22:03] <amx109> is anyone else getting the 'removable drives' bit of gnome trying to control 'extra' partitions (even though theyre specified in fstab)
[22:05] <mrigns> can someone provide me the link of the hardy roadmap?
[22:05] <jimmyg00n> Does anyone else here use the intel driver? It used to be the i810 driver but they "switched" to intel for my graphics card and it "seems" to work fine but the fonts are REALLY huge some times and are always that way on the gdm screen (for the text input boxes) -- the only solution is to hope they aren't that way on next login or to switch to the i810 driver
[22:05] <jimmyg00n> this is a show stopper for the installer... except for the fact that I know how to switch to a tty and then edit xorg.conf and specify a different driver
[22:06] <jimmyg00n> and the map thing for choosing the timezone is one of the more annoying things I've ever experienced
[22:09] <jimmyg00n> Anyone else suffering some similar results or am I all alone in this
[22:09] <oliver_g2> jimmyg00n: I used the "install ubuntu" option as well for my current test install and it worked (in virtualbox, that is)
[22:10] <oliver_g2> I don't remember the installer to be a shing jewel :-) but it got the job done...
[22:10] <jimmyg00n> well, for my graphics card and the intel driver, the last few versions of ubuntu have all had the problem. same symptoms... same solution
[22:10] <jimmyg00n> its not a problem with the installer... it a problem with the intel driver and or the driver selection
[22:10] <oliver_g2> hmm... I had also installed Gutsy on a laptop with intel graphics, and it worked well (by booting the live cd desktop and starting installer from there)
[22:11] <jimmyg00n> but which driver is it using "intel" or "i810" there are minor difference with like how it treats the vga
[22:11] <jimmyg00n> like I think the intel driver always has it outputting for ext monitors and then this bug in the intel driver and not in the i810
[22:12] <oliver_g2> afaik Gutsy installs the newer intel driver by default ("intel" that is)
[22:12] <h3sp4wn> I think I would prefer my radeon to use the external monitor as PRIMARY if its plugged in
[22:12] <zzats> jimmyg00n: it's propably a problm with your xorg.conf not defining your monitor's physical size
[22:12] <askand> The reason I didnt get compizeffects with my ati x600 with todays daily cd is because it is blacklisted, and I should not file a bug? Is that right?
[22:12] <oliver_g2> jimmyg00n: are you on a laptop at the moment?
[22:13] <jimmyg00n> oliver_g2, I'm installing hardy on it now with my modified xorg.conf...  I'm on my desktop pc talking to y'all
[22:13] <h3sp4wn> askand: Do file a bug if it worked well and then they gave you fglrx
[22:13] <h3sp4wn> "worked well" being never crashed
[22:14] <jimmyg00n> ugh, the screenshot utility doesn't default to Screenshot.png
[22:14] <h3sp4wn> use skrot
[22:14] <h3sp4wn> *scrot
[22:15] <secretlondon> mine does
[22:15] <oliver_g2> jimmyg00n: for me it defaults to Bildschirmfoto.png which is german for screenshot...
[22:15] <jimmyg00n> Well, this is a problem with ubiquity... http://i28.tinypic.com/n6hqt.jpg  Should I just proceed?
[22:15] <jimmyg00n> oliver_g2, maybe it just doesn't on the live disc
[22:15] <oliver_g2> but: it has that _really_ nice trick to use the window title if you screenshot a window!
[22:16] <jimmyg00n> It seems to want a 2 terrabyte partition for the root drive?
[22:16] <Black_Magic> Anyone want to help me With Internet in hardy?
[22:16] <Black_Magic> Atheros AR5006EG
[22:17] <oliver_g2> jimmyg00n: now that's an unfortunate situation :-)
[22:18] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: Has it never worked ?
[22:18] <Black_Magic> Yea..
[22:18] <oliver_g2> jimmyg00n: I think you should go with installation
[22:18] <jimmyg00n> I dont' think I could make this crap up... everything I click it deletes...
[22:19] <oliver_g2> ?
[22:19] <h3sp4wn> Thats not an answer it could be interpretted both ways
[22:19] <oxigen> did anyone tried 'sugar' on new ubuntu?
[22:19] <oliver_g2> err
[22:19] <oliver_g2> i meant: "Continue"
[22:19] <jimmyg00n> I literally clicked on a folder and it said "too big to move to trash" and then I clicked the screenshot on the desktop and it moved it to the trash
[22:19] <Black_Magic> it stopped working in Ubuntu 7.10...then it started working for a couple days so i upgraded to Hardy heron
[22:19] <Black_Magic> it hasnt worked since..
[22:19] <Black_Magic> like i could boot inot Backtrack
[22:19] <jimmyg00n> restricted_modules for your kernel
[22:20] <Black_Magic> and be on the internet in the same exact space
[22:20] <h3sp4wn> Not sure whether gutsy has a trunk madwifi
[22:20] <Black_Magic> that i was with Ubuntu..
[22:20] <oliver_g2> as I interpret the message box, it "just" complains that there's not enough space, and asks you if you want to continue anyway
[22:20] <Black_Magic> I installed Madwifi from the site even
[22:20] <h3sp4wn> (With the right hal for that)
[22:21] <Black_Magic> Madwifi 0.9.4 Stable?
[22:21] <jimmyg00n> oliver_g2, well I'm redoing hte partitions in the partition editor and then I'll see what it thinks... the deleting thing must have just been a stuck-key xorg has always done that to me.... the intel/i810 is more concerning because this has to affect more people than just me
[22:22] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: It looks like hardy doesn't have that to me
[22:22] <h3sp4wn> (But I am not 100% certain)
[22:22] <nemo> I sure hope vbox 1.5.6 makes it into Hardy
[22:23] <nemo> there were quite a few fixes in that release
[22:23] <oliver_g2> jimmyg00n: generally I don't think ubuntu is ready to be installed by "normal" people - using ubuntu is fine, but installation and configuration has too many quirks
[22:23] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just get binaries from them
[22:23] <nemo> right now, hardy is still on 1.5.4 :-/
[22:23] <jimmyg00n> Is ext2 or 3 the default?
[22:23] <h3sp4wn> (With better features than the oss ones)
[22:23] <oliver_g2> ext3 it seems
[22:24] <jimmyg00n> vmware workstation worked much better for me than vbox-- you just have to pay up or get your hands "dirty" persay
[22:25] <Black_Magic> h3sp4wn, Have what?
[22:25] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: I am not certain whether or not hardy has 0.9.4
[22:25] <jimmyg00n> Black_Magic do you have the restricted_modules installed for your kernel?
[22:25] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: Or whether the updated hal you need went into 0.9.4
[22:26] <Black_Magic> i used the source..
[22:26] <Black_Magic> you mean from Restriced Manager thing?
[22:27] <jimmyg00n> no, there is a package that has "restricted-modules" in it that (for me) includes my atheros driverse
[22:27] <h3sp4wn> find out fronm #madwifi if you need 0.9.4 or trunk
[22:28] <jimmyg00n> the installer was okay after I restarted and used the partition manager first which is probably what people ought to do...
[22:29] <Black_Magic> #madwifi doesnt respond..
[22:29] <Black_Magic> *offen
[22:29] <jimmyg00n> well... it was until it just stalled after the migration assistant...
[22:29] <Black_Magic> jimmyg00n, I tried that still didnt work
[22:29] <Black_Magic> jimmyg00n, That was what it was before i tried the madwifi souce after the original didnt work
[22:29] <jimmyg00n> Black_Magic, had it been installed? you would have to reboot to let ubuntu load the drivers
[22:30] <h3sp4wn> http://paste.debian.net/51205 - that is what hardy provides (if that is 0.9.3 I am certain it won't work)
[22:30] <jimmyg00n> black_magic, oh ok
[22:30] <burning-shorts> well I just upgraded to Hardy... took a little coaxing but it is done now.
[22:30] <h3sp4wn> #madwifi responds to me when I ask specific direct questions
[22:30] <Black_Magic> jimmyg00n, im not even in Ubuntu and it was automaticly loaded and i did try rebooting im in another os because this is only computer and i need internet
[22:30] <jimmyg00n> Do I have to run ubiquity as root? I need some debug info.. it is freezing on me
[22:31] <Black_Magic> this sound  specific and direct?
[22:31] <Black_Magic> If i used Ubuntu Hardy Heron and have Atheros AR5006EG Card would i need Madwifi 0.9.4 Stable Drivers or the Madwifi Trunk?
[22:32] <burning-shorts> man, this new gnome is gonna take some getting used to
[22:32] <oliver_g2> ?
[22:32] <Black_Magic> huh...?
[22:33] <Black_Magic> i didnt notice anything besides new mounted HD or Partion icons..
[22:33] <jimmyg00n> I think he means the new human theme
[22:33] <burning-shorts> I just upgraded adn now my gnome is all different.  I dont have the bar on top of the screen anymore.. just on the bottom
[22:33] <Black_Magic> and my pixmap file is all lil white paper..
[22:33] <Black_Magic> so no firefox..
[22:33] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: Is the - Atheros AR5006EG supported by madwifi at the moment ? (With 0.9.4 or only trunk)
[22:33] <jimmyg00n> its using the murrina engine I believe
[22:33] <Black_Magic> Atheros5006EG is Supported
[22:33] <Black_Magic> getting page one second
[22:33] <oliver_g2> burning-shorts: afaik there should be a top bar...
[22:33] <h3sp4wn> Thats the question I would ask them
[22:34] <burning-shorts> I used ubuntu-studio and used  have ubuntu-desktop so maybe that is the difference
[22:34] <h3sp4wn> I would personally probably compile madwifi-dfs
[22:34] <jimmyg00n> where does ubiquity log to?
[22:35] <burning-shorts> the dist-upgrade didnt work for me.  it looked like it worked until I rebooted.  then it wouldnt boot up
[22:35] <burning-shorts> I had to do a fresh install
[22:35] <Black_Magic> http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros
[22:35] <Black_Magic> go down
[22:35] <jimmyg00n> burning-shorts when did you do this? It may have been when libc6 was allll messed up
[22:36] <oliver_g2> jimmyg00n: /var/log/installer/ maybe
[22:36] <burning-shorts>  jimmyg00n: about 45 mins ago
[22:36] <burning-shorts>  jimmyg00n: but I used a DVD I burned a couple days ago
[22:37] <Ayabara> does kubuntu hardy and compiz fusion work well together?
[22:37] <jimmyg00n> oh you dist-upgraded from disc? never mind. the alpha6 press was fine
[22:37] <burning-shorts> yeah, I had alpha 6
[22:37] <jimmyg00n> Black_Magic the release date for the compatible madwifi package is Feb 2007 so you should be fine unless you have an ancient version
[22:37] <Black_Magic> lol
[22:37] <jimmyg00n> burning-shorts I thought maybe you had dist-upgraded from the repos or something
[22:39] <burning-shorts> when it first came up after the upgrade I couldnt enable the network interface and it was disabled by default.  I "unlocked" it and it let me enable it, but said system configuration not allowed.  I had to go into the "authorization" tool and allow me to make system configuration changes.  even then I had to log out and back in
[22:40] <jimmyg00n> oliver_g2, yep. when it says its gonna create a debug log it means it! its logging it updating the status bar :D
[22:40] <burning-shorts> can I globally disable the system authorizations in gnome? I dont like them
[22:41] <oliver_g2> how did you get the installer to make a debug log?
[22:42] <jimmyg00n> oliver_g2  sudo ubiquity -d
[22:43] <oliver_g2> ah nice
[22:43] <jimmyg00n> the first time through after I fixed the partitions it froze after hte migration assistant was done and when I did the log it went through a-ok...
[22:43] <ffm> I can boot, but I get errors from dpkg on hal and hwdb, and network-man, and update-note ,a nd ubuntu-desktop
[22:46] <jimmyg00n> I have to say I like a LOT of the changes to ubuntu human. the fixed icons rock, murrine engine rocks... I still don't like that the menu items are so tall... I prefer the themes with the short menu items... but I can probably tweak that somewhere (in a file instead of in a gui... grrr)
[22:48] <jimmyg00n> why aren't apt-get and dpkg linked statically against libc6 to prevent dependency problems like when libc6 went all out of wack
[22:49] <fredrin> wow, this is just getting more crazy
[22:49] <RAOF> jimmyg00n: Partially because you can't actually statically link to libc.
[22:49] <jimmyg00n> RAOF, oh
[22:49] <burning-shorts> is the granular authorization of every little system component a part of gnome 2.2 or an Ubuntu thing?  is there a way to disable it?
[22:49] <RAOF> jimmyg00n: (Or, rather, that no matter what you do you'll likely be dynamically loading some code, so you still suffer the breakage)
[22:50] <jimmyg00n> RAOF, ah. I see.
[22:50] <fredrin> apt-get creates files under /usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/ that has zero rights. using chattr to make them modifiable, don't help
[22:50] <fredrin> -rw------- 1 root root      0 2008-03-14 23:32 vlc.mo.dpkg-new
[22:51] <fredrin> ------------------ ./iso_639.mo
[22:51] <fredrin> ------dA--ZX---t-- ./vlc.mo.dpkg-new
[22:51] <fredrin> lsattri gives me this
[22:51] <fredrin> and it's nothing wrong with the filesystem ether, fsck works fine
[22:52] <fredrin> i can't remove the ZX attributes either
[22:52] <oliver_g2> well did you try to remove all attrs from vlc.mo.dpkg-new so its lsattr output looks like the one for iso_639.mo ?
[22:52] <oliver_g2> oh
[22:53] <fredrin> can't remove ZX
[22:53] <fredrin> !!
[22:54] <oliver_g2> did you look in man chattr?
[22:54] <fredrin> ZX is some experimental compression shit
[22:54] <fredrin> yes
[22:54] <oliver_g2> yes
[22:54] <jetsaredim> how do I force my nic to 100mbit?
[22:54] <oliver_g2> I think it shouldn't be set :-)
[22:54] <oliver_g2> but it shouldnt matter either
[22:55] <fredrin> yeah, but i can't delete that file and i can't remove the ZX attribute!?
[22:56] <oliver_g2> jetsaredim: maybe mii-tool and/or ethtool can help
[22:56] <fredrin> -rwsrwsrwt 1 root root      0 2008-03-14 23:32 vlc.mo.dpkg-new
[22:56] <fredrin> root@ozirms:/usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES# rm -rf vlc.mo.dpkg-new
[22:56] <fredrin> rm: cannot remove `vlc.mo.dpkg-new': Operation not permitted
[22:57] <fredrin> WTF
[22:57] <oliver_g2> fredrin: how come you have so many strange files on your system?
[22:57] <jetsaredim> oliver_g2: thanks
[22:58] <fredrin> it's apt-get that makes them
[23:00] <fredrin> must be some thing wroing with the matrix today
[23:00] <fredrin> so many strangs things that hav ehappend
[23:00] <oliver_g2> what does lsattr /usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/* give you? how many files with weird attributes?
[23:01] <fredrin> just the one------dA--ZX---t-- ./libpq5.mo.dpkg-new
[23:01] <fredrin> this file i've removed tha 'a' attribute
[23:02] <fredrin> other files look like this
[23:02] <fredrin> ------------------ ./libapt-inst1.1.mo
[23:02] <oliver_g2> yes, same here...
[23:02] <fredrin> the file i'm fighting with now looks like this:
[23:02] <fredrin> ----------ZX------ ./vlc.mo.dpkg-new
[23:02] <fredrin> i've tried to remove all attributes
[23:02] <fredrin> but can't remvoe ZX
[23:04] <fredrin> so apt-get is not working since it  tries to delete those files , but can't
[23:04] <oliver_g2> hmm
[23:04] <oliver_g2> is this on "weird" hardware?
[23:05] <fredrin> nope
[23:05] <fredrin> ext3 filesystem
[23:06] <oliver_g2> strange
[23:07] <fredrin> i know, very
[23:08] <oliver_g2> you could try booting from cd and remove it from there?
[23:11] <fredrin> nope, i'm trying to fix things over ssh, helping a friend
[23:12] <oliver_g2> ah
[23:13] <fredrin> oliver_g2: do you know what the /usr/share/locale/ko/LC_MESSAGES/ is god for anyway?
[23:13] <oliver_g2> afaik it's translation data
[23:14] <oliver_g2> ko would be the country code
[23:16] <fredrin> oliver_g2: hum, when i copy the files lsattr is empty --------------------------------
[23:17] <fredrin> but i can't delete the orginal LC_MESSAGES
[23:17] <fredrin> dir
[23:17] <oliver_g2> fsck gives no error?
[23:18] <fredrin> oliver_g2: fsck run i rescue mode says everythinig is fine
[23:18] <fredrin> maybe you can run fsck with some exttra options that i don't know aobut
[23:19] <oliver_g2> I don't know any special fsck options either
[23:19] <oliver_g2> well... you should use fsck -f at least
[23:20] <oliver_g2> so it really checks (afaik otherwise it immediately sees that nothing really bad is "recorded" and thats it)
[23:20] <oliver_g2> only, apparently it's not good to run fsck on a mounted filesystem (it warns)
[23:20] <fredrin> boot into rescue mode
[23:21] <fredrin> i will tell him
[23:21] <fredrin> oliver_g2: anyway , thanks for htehelp
[23:22] <fredrin> the help ;)
[23:22] <oliver_g2> good luck :-)
[23:22] <fredrin> :)
[23:23] <oliver_g2> (time to go, anyway)
[23:23] <oliver_g2> bye
[23:25] <h3sp4wn> At least mount it read only
[23:25] <h3sp4wn> if you *have* to fsck a mounted filesystem
[23:35] <savvas> will tcl8.5 make it in hardy?
[23:36] <savvas> hm.. it is here, but the tcl package is bound to tcl8.4
[23:37] <crimsun> correct
[23:37] <savvas> crimsun: think I should file a bug about it, or was this already mentioned and declined?
[23:38] <crimsun> savvas: former: up to you; latter: don't know.
[23:38] <savvas> aye i'll give it a quick search
[23:38] <crimsun> I will say (having served on past MOTU UVF/FF team/s) that it's unlikely that such a delta will be introduced at this stage
[23:39] <crimsun> particularly for this release, it's imperative that we don't introduce any further regressions
[23:40] <savvas> i'll wait for the next release then :)
[23:42] <maccam94> so is there anything majorly broken in hardy right now
[23:42] <maccam94> ?
[23:42] <maccam94> on the level of libc6 or something
[23:42] <savvas> I'm upgrading right now, i'll let you know
[23:43] <maccam94> k
[23:43] <savvas>   app-install-data bzip2 gnome-panel-data gnome-user-guide human-theme
[23:43] <savvas>   initramfs-tools libbz2-1.0 locales xserver-xorg-video-intel
[23:43] <savvas> i'm not an intel graphics user, can't guarantee you for that :)
[23:44] <savvas> wow they added greek ancient in the languages hehehe
[23:44] <h3sp4wn> Is there any defined set of criteria that have to be met for an LTS release
[23:45] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: stability methinks
[23:45] <savvas> probably stability :)
[23:45] <h3sp4wn> As in we will not release if ....
[23:45] <savvas> most of them should be in blueprints in launchpad
[23:45] <ethana2> I think there should be quarterly maintenance releases
[23:45] <h3sp4wn> (i.e dapper was released 2 months later and was quite a bit better than usual)
[23:45] <ethana2> with new drivers
[23:45] <ethana2> i think many are on hardy just because they have intel gpu's
[23:45] <h3sp4wn> RHEL maintains its kernels really well
[23:46] <h3sp4wn> (But that costs $)
[23:46] <amx109> hi, im having issues with hardy mounting partitions when theyve been explicitly defined in /etc/fstab. if i umount then mount the appropriate dir everything is ok, but at first boot its showing the partition mounted but dir listing is empty. anyone have any suggestions?
[23:46] <savvas> ethana2: there's a proposal in http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com about drivers
[23:46] <ethana2> k
[23:46] <ethana2> then i've probably seen it
[23:46] <ethana2> oh hey, thanks for saving my life by the way, savvas
[23:46] <h3sp4wn> i.e you can get stuff like a full stable backport of the libata stuff to the stable kernel etc
[23:46] <h3sp4wn> (In a point release)
[23:47] <savvas> amx109: check your permissions and owner if root/normal user, dir -l /media/directory
[23:47] <maccam94> ethana2: what's special about intel gpu's on hardy?
[23:47] <savvas> n/p ethana2 :)
[23:47] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: they already do LTS updated releases
[23:48] <h3sp4wn> maccam94: Not like RedHat doexs
[23:48] <maccam94> they just don't upgrade core applications to newer versions (like the kernel from 2.6.17 to 2.6.22, xorg 7.1 to xorg 7.3, etc)
[23:48] <savvas> cross fingers, 10 seconds
[23:48] <h3sp4wn> maccam94: They don't provide backported drivers/subsystems to the old kernel
[23:49] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: you're saying the backports repository doesn't have that stuff?
[23:49] <amx109> savvas, permissions/owner are set correctly
[23:49] <h3sp4wn> maccam94: Thats not in the stable release
[23:49] <h3sp4wn> You would be crazy to use backports on a production sytem
[23:49] <ethana2> maccam94: gutsy drivers for intel gpu's are horrible
[23:50] <maccam94> ethana2: you mean the Xv in compiz issue?
[23:50] <ethana2> maccam94: we have 3 machines with intel gpu's.  None of them worked right on gutsy so I upped to Hardy on all
[23:50] <ethana2> maccam94: much, much more
[23:50] <savvas> amx109: does this show you anything? sudo dir -l /directory
[23:50]  * maccam94 has an intel x3100 graphics card with gutsy...
[23:50]  * ethana2 has one machine with an x3100 on hardy
[23:50] <amx109> savvas, nope. same thing. empty listing
[23:50] <ethana2> mine can hibernate
[23:50] <savvas> maccam94: everything went well here
[23:51] <maccam94> savvas: schweet
[23:51] <amx109> savvas, only appears to affect vfat and ntfs partitions. the ext3 ones auto-mount fine
[23:51] <savvas> amx109: what's the directory that it is mounted and what's the device in /dev/ ?
[23:52] <maccam94> does hardy have any sort of prefetching by default?
[23:53] <amx109> savvas, from mtab /dev/sda1 /home/amran/places/ntfs/c fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096 0 0
[23:55] <savvas> amx109: apt-cache policy ntfs-3g | grep Installed
[23:55] <amx109> savvas, Installed: 1:1.2216-1ubuntu1
[23:55] <savvas> hm..
[23:55] <savvas> give me a sec, i have an ntfs here
[23:56] <amx109> savvas, not sure if this is relavant but gnome 'removable drives' seems to want to manage these partitions too
[23:57] <savvas> amx109: this isn't connected through usb right?
[23:57] <amx109> savvas, no, good ol' PATA
[23:58] <savvas> great
[23:58] <savvas> well.. mine works :\
[23:58] <savvas> try open nautilus
[23:58] <l815> what did the new xorg for intel fix?
[23:58] <l815> *xserver
[23:58] <savvas> amx109: right click on the side menu on your device, unmount, and right click mount it again
[23:59] <maccam94> it would be sweet if someone could make a deb of the new driver for gutsy :-\
[23:59] <maccam94> (intel driver) i tried manually installing it once
[23:59] <amx109> savvas, that gives me an error saying only root can unmount