| Ubulette | i'm not very good at bug triaging | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Ubulette | i just pick up some bugs mostly at random intervals so i'm not reliable for that job | 00:01 |
| asac | its not ment to be a job assignment | 00:01 |
| asac | just wanted to give you helper scripts so you don't need to write things that are common | 00:01 |
| Ubulette | [reed], what is sisyphus ? | 00:01 |
| asac | (in case you look at bugs) | 00:01 |
| Ubulette | ok, thx | 00:02 |
| asac | would be good if you could listen a bit more after updates for serious regressions | 00:02 |
| asac | you don'Ät need to process them. | 00:02 |
| asac | in the long run i hope to push the bug triaging to te QA team | 00:03 |
| asac | isn't really a good investment to waste developers times on processing bugs imo. | 00:05 |
| asac | developers should fix them ... but not triage them | 00:05 |
| Ubulette | <asac> Ubulette: so what is about reporter.jar? is that build by accident? <= no idea, it's built everywhere, i never looked into this. | 00:06 |
| Ubulette | does it hurt ? | 00:06 |
| asac | yes it wastes pricious CD space | 00:06 |
| asac | its identical so if it cannot go we should at least link it | 00:06 |
| asac | s/pri/pre/ | 00:07 |
| asac | we have someone that regularly looks for wasted space on CD ... and reporter.jar showed up :) | 00:07 |
| asac | i can take a look if you don't know | 00:08 |
| asac | just thought you might know whats this aboute | 00:08 |
| asac | Ubulette: btw we are now in beta freeze | 00:15 |
| Ubulette | yep, got the announce | 00:15 |
| Ubulette | too bad for prism | 00:15 |
| asac | ah ... cool so you are finally subscribed :) | 00:15 |
| asac | prism? | 00:15 |
| asac | its in universe | 00:15 |
| asac | it just needs a manual push through the queue | 00:15 |
| asac | no approval (well. except ff) | 00:15 |
| Ubulette | that small window usually occurs when you don't restart ff after an upgrade | 00:22 |
| asac | yes right | 00:25 |
| asac | i have seen that too now that i think about it | 00:25 |
| asac | maybe we should have a session at UDS about how we can make ffox/xul upgrades more graceful | 00:26 |
| asac | in fact we would need to force a restart ... somehow | 00:26 |
| asac | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Ideas/Intrepid | 00:29 |
| asac | feel free to add ideas ;) | 00:30 |
| asac | is intrepid actually the right spelling? | 00:30 |
| asac | ok appears to be right | 00:30 |
| asac | Ubulette: ^^ | 00:32 |
| Ubulette | ok | 00:32 |
| asac | [reed]: wasn't the "home button only in bookmarks menu" fixed in beta4? | 00:55 |
| Ubulette | i think it's moved only if it's visible or something like that | 00:58 |
| asac | move only if its visible? | 01:04 |
| asac | where? | 01:04 |
| asac | i have the bookmarks toolbar removed and still there is no home :/ | 01:04 |
| asac | why can't this be at least added to customize ... :) | 01:05 |
| asac | or is it fixed in b5pre? | 01:05 |
| Ubulette | you need to make the toolbar visible, customize it, move the home, then hide the toolbar again | 01:06 |
| Ubulette | there's a long discussion in the bug about that | 01:06 |
| asac | mmm ... thats far from intuitive | 01:07 |
| asac | after all you cannot even select "customize ..." on bookmarks toolbar | 01:07 |
| asac | (if you manager to find a place to hit the right mouse button at all) | 01:08 |
| asac | (i had to remove a bookmark to try this) | 01:08 |
| asac | ah ok | 01:08 |
| asac | you can select right below | 01:08 |
| asac | but thats most likely 1 point :) | 01:08 |
| asac | anyway, as i cannot claim to be a usability guy, i will just let this o | 01:09 |
| asac | good to know how to do it though :) | 01:09 |
| asac | s/this o/this go/ | 01:09 |
| Ubulette | b5pre crashed shortly after startup | 01:16 |
| Ubulette | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5667/ | 01:17 |
| asac | Ubulette: old game ... missing files? | 01:17 |
| asac | Ubulette: does your system work at all :) | 01:18 |
| Ubulette | yes | 01:18 |
| asac | i just ask because libc was broken :) | 01:18 |
| asac | or was it stdc++ ? | 01:18 |
| asac | hmm | 01:18 |
| asac | no idea ;) | 01:18 |
| Ubulette | i missed that update (it was early this morning) | 01:18 |
| asac | me too ;) | 01:18 |
| asac | but the upgrade i ran on my main system 4 hours ago was pretty tough | 01:19 |
| asac | i had to reboot in order to be able to anything | 01:19 |
| asac | couldn't sign gpg (with agent) ... apparently because i couldn't even start X apps anymore | 01:20 |
| Ubulette | i retry without gdb | 01:20 |
| asac | maybe install -dbg packages for libstdc++ libc | 01:20 |
| asac | and libglib | 01:20 |
| asac | and libgtk | 01:20 |
| asac | (just in case) | 01:21 |
| asac | there should be -dbg packages for those in the normal archive | 01:21 |
| asac | _progname? | 01:21 |
| Ubulette | I have the dbgsym for ff and xul installed | 01:21 |
| Ubulette | my session has 70 tabs so it's not easy to debug | 01:22 |
| asac | yes. but most steps appear to somewhere else | 01:22 |
| asac | installing the other -dbg packages might improve that backtrace a lot | 01:22 |
| Ubulette | no crash this time | 01:22 |
| asac | so just a first timer? | 01:23 |
| Ubulette | maybe, or gdb | 01:23 |
| Ubulette | i crashed after about a third of my 70 tabs were loaded | 01:24 |
| Ubulette | it | 01:24 |
| asac | sounds like a race | 01:24 |
| asac | do you still have 70 tabs open so you can retry? | 01:24 |
| Ubulette | hm, ff is taking 100% cpu | 01:24 |
| asac | _progname appears to be just a symbol in the signal handler | 01:25 |
| asac | so installing -dbg packages might really be helpful here | 01:25 |
| asac | or submit a core dump to launchpad :) | 01:25 |
| Ubulette | it's rejected, not a native package | 01:26 |
| asac | huh? | 01:26 |
| Ubulette | apport | 01:27 |
| asac | in log? | 01:27 |
| asac | ok | 01:27 |
| asac | did you try to merge changes from .dev to .head back? | 01:28 |
| asac | (i think its just a changelog entry and a resolved .patch conflict) | 01:28 |
| Ubulette | I've resynced my .head an hour ago, thought you said you fixed them | 01:29 |
| asac | no i pushed them | 01:29 |
| asac | doesn't matter when we merge them | 01:29 |
| asac | i merged .head to .dev ... and pushed .head ... and .dev .... i just found that we had a changelog entry in .dev that wasn't on head (most likely because i uploaded firefox after .head had moved ahead) | 01:30 |
| Ubulette | i should be ok then | 01:31 |
| asac | ok | 01:31 |
| Ubulette | !dbgsym | 01:31 |
| ubotu | dbgsym is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash | 01:31 |
| asac | ok i merged xul.dev -> xul.head | 01:34 |
| asac | it was just changelog and series | 01:34 |
| Ubulette | eh? | 01:34 |
| asac | look at the commit | 01:35 |
| asac | we had a 0ubuntu3 release | 01:35 |
| asac | when .head was already ahead | 01:35 |
| asac | apparently the patches from .dev were manually added to .head ... i resolved that conflict during merge of .head -> .dev | 01:36 |
| asac | still there was the changelog entry in .dev ... so i now merged that up | 01:36 |
| asac | firefox 3 is ok | 01:36 |
| asac | only xulrunner was somehow out of sync | 01:36 |
| asac | e.g. firefox-3.0.head$ bzr merge ../firefox-3.0.dev/ | 01:36 |
| asac | All changes applied successfully | 01:36 |
| asac | good to know that bzr is smart enough for this kind of bi-directional branch relationship | 01:38 |
| asac | i remember that in earlier bzr versions this would have gone nuts | 01:38 |
| Ubulette | it's slow in gdb | 01:43 |
| asac | hehe | 01:43 |
| asac | try in valgrind to experience a really painful user experience :) | 01:43 |
| Ubulette | ok, i've disabled an extension and cpu is back to normal | 01:47 |
| asac | which one? | 01:47 |
| Ubulette | http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_rubysupport.html.en | 01:47 |
| asac | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions/BogusList | 01:50 |
| asac | can you fill in there? | 01:50 |
| asac | :) | 01:50 |
| Ubulette | hm, my bm tools bar is broken | 01:50 |
| Ubulette | all folders appear empty (small square) like the bug of that guy above | 01:51 |
| asac | extension? | 01:51 |
| Ubulette | no, same if i move out my .mozilla | 01:54 |
| Ubulette | regression | 01:54 |
| asac | what is bm toolbar? | 01:54 |
| asac | ah bookmark | 01:54 |
| asac | ok | 01:54 |
| asac | i have the feeling that something is wrong with your build | 01:54 |
| Ubulette | it's just a new snapshot | 01:55 |
| asac | yes | 01:55 |
| Ubulette | i'll see tomorrow | 01:55 |
| asac | good | 01:56 |
| asac | good night | 01:56 |
| asac | maybe just an intermediate issue | 01:56 |
| Ubulette | i will just open a page with flash and it will die during the night | 01:57 |
| asac | flash is most likely a risk in itself | 01:57 |
| asac | independent from beta5pre :) | 01:57 |
| Ubulette | well, it was okay up to last month | 01:58 |
| asac | i guess we have about 300 bugs reported for such kind of crashes ... even against firefox 2 | 01:58 |
| asac | ah ok | 01:58 |
| Ubulette | damn, all my bookmarks are in folders that I can no longer open | 01:59 |
| asac | i know how you feel | 01:59 |
| asac | thats how i felt for about a month at alpha8 | 01:59 |
| asac | :) | 01:59 |
| asac | or was it a7 | 01:59 |
| asac | cannot remember | 01:59 |
| asac | [reed]: is there any good document about mozilla 2? | 02:00 |
| Ubulette | the wiki | 02:01 |
| asac | what will happen ... how will xpcom be replaced ... how do you make upgrade paths reasonable for xul apps | 02:01 |
| asac | and extensions :) | 02:01 |
| asac | all these tiny questions ;) | 02:01 |
| Ubulette | i haven't seen anything about that | 02:02 |
| Ubulette | just how moz2 is being automatically rewritten | 02:02 |
| asac | [reed]: do you (personally) expect mozilla 2 to happen like it is envisioned atm at all? | 02:02 |
| Ubulette | plus the mercurial debate | 02:02 |
| asac | [reed]: i know how things go and without knowning any details (judging from rumours) i feel pretty much that this pitch is much too far to do in a single major release upgrade | 02:03 |
| asac | Ubulette: do they question mercurial? | 02:03 |
| Ubulette | yes | 02:04 |
| asac | and what? stick with cvs? | 02:04 |
| Ubulette | there was a flood a couple of days ago | 02:04 |
| asac | blog? | 02:04 |
| asac | [reed]: my point is: does it make sense to motivate epiphany developers again (which started to write a xul app instead of a gecko embed, but dropped it because of FUD) to resurrect their effords | 02:05 |
| asac | [reed]: i can understand that developers don't want to do a major shift if its all gone in two years or so | 02:06 |
| asac | [reed]: no idea if you are the right one to ask all these questions though ;) ... i hope that you can give me at least some initial inside | 02:07 |
| * [reed] reads above | 02:07 | |
| asac | s/inside/insight/ | 02:07 |
| Ubulette | http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/7532d66890f63768/35411eaf7238d075#35411eaf7238d075 | 02:07 |
| [reed] | moz2 is happening, but they've cut back a lot on what they were originally saying | 02:08 |
| asac | hmm ... i am subscribed to that afaik. why didn't i get that? | 02:08 |
| [reed] | like XPCOM isn't getting replaced until after moz2 | 02:08 |
| [reed] | http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozilla_2 | 02:09 |
| Ubulette | [reed], is the bookmarks toolbar folder bug known ? | 02:09 |
| [reed] | Ubulette: what bug is that? | 02:09 |
| [reed] | describe it | 02:10 |
| Ubulette | I can no longer open any folder in my bookmarks toolbar | 02:10 |
| Ubulette | same with a fresh profile | 02:10 |
| [reed] | heh | 02:10 |
| [reed] | I can... :) | 02:10 |
| [reed] | umm | 02:11 |
| asac | (4) I've found it pretty easy to get a corrupt repository. Hitting | 02:11 |
| asac | control-C during or having a hook return an error during operations | 02:11 |
| asac | involving pushing or popping mq patches or stripping revisions seems | 02:11 |
| asac | pretty likely to lead to repository corruption. | 02:11 |
| asac | use bzr i guess | 02:11 |
| [reed] | or git | 02:11 |
| asac | git is too complicated | 02:12 |
| asac | the user interface of bzr is much more comprehensible (i think everyone will agree) | 02:12 |
| [reed] | bzr fails | 02:12 |
| [reed] | at parsing our repo | 02:12 |
| asac | and preformance issues are sorted atm | 02:12 |
| asac | i guess this can be fixed if mozilla calls for a new pitch round | 02:12 |
| asac | importing mozilla repo drives anything to its outer limits i guess | 02:13 |
| [reed] | hehe | 02:13 |
| asac | yeah thats true | 02:13 |
| asac | the main reason for not taking bzr was the performance | 02:13 |
| [reed] | yeah | 02:14 |
| asac | and it indeed sucked. but todays branch format is almost as good as git | 02:14 |
| asac | (from my limited personal experience) | 02:14 |
| asac | anyway. i doubt that its really a considered option to reconsider the DVCS used | 02:15 |
| asac | right? | 02:15 |
| Ubulette | no missing file, so it's something else | 02:16 |
| Ubulette | armin76, do you see this ? | 02:16 |
| Ubulette | asac, if you could try, it's in my ppa. | 02:16 |
| asac | Ubulette: do you maintain a debug build tree to look closer? | 02:17 |
| Ubulette | no, regular builds | 02:17 |
| asac | i mean if you have one on your disc that you eventually build ;) | 02:17 |
| asac | i'll try | 02:17 |
| asac | tomorrow ... or...l | 02:17 |
| asac | hmm unfortunately i am in berlin this weekend | 02:18 |
| asac | maybe sunday then | 02:18 |
| asac | but as you said. lets wait till tomorrow. maybe its just an intermediate issue | 02:19 |
| Ubulette | k | 02:20 |
| Ubulette | night all | 02:20 |
| asac | night | 02:20 |
| [reed] | asac: what do you mean? rethinking which VCS? | 02:21 |
| [reed] | we're not all-about-Hg | 02:21 |
| [reed] | open for change | 02:21 |
| [reed] | if something is obviously better | 02:21 |
| [reed] | asac: so, do you have b4 out yet? | 02:27 |
| asac | [reed]: yes b4 slipped in before b4 :) | 02:30 |
| asac | aeh ... i am tired i guess | 02:30 |
| asac | before beta freeze i mean | 02:30 |
| [reed] | k | 02:31 |
| [reed] | hopefully, we'll at least be to RC stage or later | 02:31 |
| [reed] | by hardy rc | 02:31 |
| asac | yeah :) | 02:31 |
| asac | i hope that too | 02:31 |
| asac | i can justify a RC | 02:31 |
| asac | but a beta | 02:31 |
| [reed] | our betas are awesome betas, though | 02:32 |
| [reed] | :p | 02:32 |
| asac | i don't want to think about that ;) | 02:32 |
| saivann | asac : I added fr-FR and fr-CA translations to ubufox in bazaar branch https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubufox/+branches | 02:32 |
| saivann | asac : If you have time to look at it, is it correct? | 02:32 |
| asac | [reed]: yes ... maybe i need to rename to firefoxb final :) | 02:32 |
| asac | jk | 02:32 |
| [reed] | lol | 02:32 |
| asac | saivann: great. that was quick | 02:32 |
| saivann | asac : There was few string to translate :) and that's the first time I use bzr, awesome | 02:33 |
| asac | congrats | 02:33 |
| saivann | asac : Txs :) | 02:33 |
| asac | [reed]: see ... how easy it is to use bzr ;) | 02:33 |
| saivann | hehe | 02:33 |
| [reed] | lol | 02:33 |
| * asac in marketing mode :) | 02:33 | |
| saivann | ^_^ | 02:33 |
| asac | of course this is all fake | 02:34 |
| asac | ;) | 02:34 |
| asac | saivann: let me merge them to main branch | 02:34 |
| saivann | asac : Great thanks! :) | 02:35 |
| * saivann hope that he did not do a big mistake with bzr | 02:35 | |
| asac | lets see | 02:36 |
| asac | currently branching your branch | 02:36 |
| saivann | That should be correct I think | 02:36 |
| asac | saivann: you should name the files added/changed/deleted in your commit message | 02:37 |
| asac | otherwise it looks technically good (from bzr pov) | 02:37 |
| asac | let me look at the actual changes | 02:37 |
| saivann | asac : Ha, I knew that It was not possible that no mistakes exist :) | 02:37 |
| asac | saivann: we usually do like this: | 02:38 |
| asac | * comment on what has changed | 02:38 |
| asac | - update path/to/file/1/for/that/change | 02:38 |
| asac | - add path/to/file/2/for/that/change | 02:38 |
| asac | - delete path/to/file/2/for/that/change | 02:38 |
| asac | :) | 02:38 |
| asac | anyway ... just a minor thing | 02:38 |
| saivann | asac : Thanks, this is instructive, should I change this or you will fix it by yourself? | 02:39 |
| asac | saivann: ok. merged | 02:40 |
| asac | can you mark that branch as "merged" ... so it doesn't appear on the active launchpad page? | 02:41 |
| asac | saivann: thats ok for now... just for the future ;) | 02:41 |
| asac | saivann: how did you propose the branch for merging ... funky | 02:42 |
| asac | ah i see that feature now | 02:42 |
| asac | thats decent | 02:42 |
| asac | now i would just need confirmation about that | 02:42 |
| asac | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main | 02:42 |
| asac | saivann: ah ... you should name LP bugs fixed in the commit as well | 02:43 |
| asac | (if there are any) :) | 02:43 |
| saivann | asac : Hum... wait.. | 02:43 |
| asac | saivann: if there are bugs just set them to fix committed and link to my main branch | 02:44 |
| asac | i will see them if i prepare the next package update | 02:44 |
| saivann | asac : No bugs are associated and no blueprint, I set the status as merged... weird, am-I missing something? | 02:44 |
| asac | why? | 02:44 |
| asac | that doesn't sound wierd to me | 02:44 |
| asac | what do you find wierd? | 02:44 |
| saivann | asac : the branch still appears in the main page | 02:44 |
| asac | no for me | 02:45 |
| asac | try to reload | 02:45 |
| asac | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main | 02:45 |
| asac | either launchpad detected that i merged it | 02:45 |
| asac | or its because you changed the status | 02:45 |
| asac | no idea | 02:45 |
| saivann | asac : You don't see my branch here ? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubufox/+branches | 02:45 |
| asac | saivann: it is still "New" | 02:46 |
| asac | i don't see any "Merged" branch there | 02:46 |
| asac | saivann: you can change the state by "edit branch details" iirc | 02:46 |
| saivann | asac : Ok I just didn't found the good option, thanks | 02:47 |
| asac | saivann: do you want to call for translations? and integrate them in the same way as you did with fr? | 02:47 |
| saivann | asac : bug 139380 still exist but it's about multiples translations, I suggest to let the bug as Triaged | 02:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 139380 in ubufox "Untranslated strings in ubufox" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139380 | 02:47 |
| asac | saivann: you would have my blessing for that ;) | 02:47 |
| saivann | asac : Oh great, yes I can certainly do that, should I ask for this on the bug report? Or somewhere else? | 02:48 |
| asac | saivann: well ... i feel tempted to close that. we should have a bug per translation missing | 02:48 |
| asac | otherwise this bug will stay open forever | 02:48 |
| asac | saivann: no idea where to ask. i think there is a translators list | 02:48 |
| asac | saivann: maybe ask on -motu. if you cannot figure out, i can ask more :) | 02:49 |
| saivann | asac : There is probably a translator mailing list in launchpad since rosetta exist.. I will search for this | 02:49 |
| asac | good ... take a look at lists.ubuntu.com | 02:49 |
| asac | maybe the list is called i10n or something | 02:49 |
| saivann | Good, useful link :) | 02:50 |
| asac | saivann: thanks for doing this | 02:50 |
| saivann | asac : You're welcome, I'm glad to help on this | 02:50 |
| saivann | asac : Do you think that Firefox RC will be ready for the RC for Hardy? | 02:51 |
| asac | no i can't forsee that | 02:51 |
| asac | though i hope that it will | 02:52 |
| saivann | asac : I hope that it will since FF3 is really great | 02:52 |
| saivann | the beta 3 and 4 are awesome :) | 02:52 |
| asac | saivann: right. we are already shipping ff3 by default. i am almost certain that we won't change that decision | 02:53 |
| saivann | asac : Firefox beta are really stable, indeed | 02:54 |
| asac | measured by means of firefox 1.5/2, firefox 3 beta is definitly of high quality | 02:54 |
| asac | i think we are all excited about it | 02:55 |
| saivann | asac : I share your point of view, Firefox 3 really impress me | 02:55 |
| saivann | asac : I will sent a message with instructions to all localization list of ubuntu to get ubufox translations in a short time. I will invite them to open bug reports containing translated files and to subscribe me. | 02:58 |
| asac | saivann: if you mean all lists on lists.ubuntu.com then thats great | 02:59 |
| saivann | asac : Yes that's what I mean :) | 02:59 |
| asac | awesome | 03:00 |
| asac | thanks. keep me updated | 03:00 |
| saivann | asac : I will, anyway I will need to when I will have new branches to merge (with correct commit messages :) ) | 03:01 |
| asac | yeah :) ... in a perfect world i would automatically see your "suggestions for merging" in launchpad | 03:02 |
| asac | but given that i am usually overloaded an irc ping is highly appreciated | 03:03 |
| asac | and most likely the only way to ensure that i don't miss them | 03:03 |
| asac | (which would be a shame) | 03:03 |
| saivann | haha :) np | 03:03 |
| saivann | I go now, thanks for your great work and for your guidance | 03:04 |
| asac | ok off as well | 03:04 |
| asac | night | 03:04 |
| asac | cu | 03:04 |
| saivann | night too | 03:04 |
| [reed] | you've got be kidding me | 04:18 |
| [reed] | "Remote Desktop" allows an 8 char password max? | 04:18 |
| asac | [reed]: did you try grdesktop? | 09:18 |
| * armin76 wonders | 10:28 | |
| armin76 | what would happen if i browse a page with an image hosted on a self-signed https? | 10:29 |
| * armin76 tires | 10:29 | |
| armin76 | bah | 10:29 |
| * armin76 tries | 10:29 | |
| armin76 | hah, okay, it doesn't get displayed :P | 10:30 |
| armin76 | asac: implement! | 10:30 |
| asac | no idea if thats a bug | 10:37 |
| asac | is it displayed in ffox 2? | 10:37 |
| asac | armin76: ? | 10:37 |
| asac | carlos: how is the export going? | 10:39 |
| armin76 | asac: well, on firefox2 you get the dialog stuff | 10:40 |
| armin76 | so you can accept it, or reject it | 10:41 |
| asac | ok | 10:41 |
| armin76 | if you accept, it gets displayed | 10:41 |
| asac | does it work if you say "view image" ? | 10:41 |
| armin76 | well, i don't see the image, so i can't click on it :P | 10:42 |
| asac | oh | 10:42 |
| asac | not even broken? | 10:42 |
| asac | wierd | 10:42 |
| asac | but i guess its been a long time ago when i say a "broken image" placeholder in a browser | 10:43 |
| asac | so i assume that isn't done anymore noawadays | 10:43 |
| armin76 | nope, not broken | 10:43 |
| armin76 | have ff2 around to test? | 10:44 |
| armin76 | http://planet.gentoo.org | 10:44 |
| armin76 | just look for Tobias' post | 10:44 |
| carlos | asac: deferred until today... | 10:46 |
| asac | yep i see no image :) | 10:46 |
| asac | ff2 not around | 10:47 |
| asac | and it will corrupt my profile somehow | 10:47 |
| asac | [reed]: was the gconf backend fixed? | 10:49 |
| asac | (someone claims that gnome proxy settings are now used) | 10:49 |
| asac | or does it honour environment settings now? | 10:50 |
| asac | [reed]: e.g. how does "use system proxy settigs" work? | 10:51 |
| asac | ok appears to be not gconf | 10:52 |
| asac | carlos: ok thanks for the info | 10:54 |
| asac | carlos: thats ok ... davidm and agoliviera are late on their part too. i think they promissed to have something over the weekend. so if we have translations today we can directly do a large scalet test | 10:55 |
| asac | carlos: just reminded them that its urgent. | 11:00 |
| asac | so should work | 11:00 |
| carlos | ok :-) | 11:01 |
| asac | on the auto export things look good. i have to catch a few more corner cases (which don't matter that much for us right now) ... but otherwise i will start to upload auto export packages for firefox and xulrunner right after beta | 11:02 |
| asac | then we fix the package mangler to upload those | 11:02 |
| asac | and finally ... once .po files get into the translation tarball ... work on the integration of those in the langpack | 11:03 |
| Mirv | asac: hi. not only Polish .desktop translation, but you should import all the .desktop translations simply from the Firefox 2 packages so that people don't need to file bug report for each language that was translated before.. there has been bug 192333 about it for a month | 12:14 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 192333 in firefox "Firefox 3 misses .desktop translations, should be copied from Firefox 2 debian/ directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192333 | 12:14 |
| Mirv | (polish was added in the beta4 upload, but it's the only oen) | 12:15 |
| asac | Mirv: ok. milestoning | 12:27 |
| asac | thanks for the reminder | 12:27 |
| Mirv | great, thanks | 12:28 |
| Ubulette | hi | 13:04 |
| Ubulette | asac, I've tried an hourly build close to my snapshot, it's broken too | 13:05 |
| Ubulette | and it's fixed in the newest hourly | 13:09 |
| asac | ok fine | 13:19 |
| Ubulette | strange those hourly don't match our mozclient ones | 13:25 |
| Ubulette | !info mozilla-devscripts hardy | 13:30 |
| ubotu | mozilla-devscripts (source: mozilla-devscripts): Collection of dev scripts used by Ubuntu Mozilla packages. In component main, is optional. Version 0.05 (hardy), package size 14 kB, installed size 108 kB | 13:30 |
| Ubulette | main, good. So I can add it to depends, right ? | 13:31 |
| Ubulette | builddeps i mean | 13:31 |
| asac | well ... you don't need to do that for "just" get-orig-source | 13:31 |
| asac | it will happen soonish because of translations anyway. so i don't mind | 13:31 |
| Ubulette | i wanted to run compare at the end of each build | 13:31 |
| asac | ok | 13:31 |
| asac | go ahead then | 13:31 |
| asac | makes sense | 13:32 |
| Ubulette | yep | 13:32 |
| Ubulette | the list tab button is not very effective with 70+ tabs :P | 13:39 |
| asac | any idea how to improve this? | 13:51 |
| asac | jimmy_: there? | 13:52 |
| asac | jimmy_: where did you move the packaging to? | 13:52 |
| asac | jimmy_: ok found it | 13:53 |
| asac | jimmy_: good to see that you moved the packaging to a separate branch. thanks | 13:54 |
| Ubulette | 'Policy checker linda removed from testing/unstable' | 14:00 |
| asac | great | 14:00 |
| xhaker | is it? | 14:00 |
| Ubulette | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/1187 | 14:00 |
| xhaker | somebody should remove revu-tools depends on it then | 14:02 |
| asac | interesting that they still switch to svn | 14:02 |
| xhaker | asac: Preferred application here shows Browser as Custom: /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/firefox "%s" | 14:04 |
| asac | xhaker: how did that happen? | 14:05 |
| xhaker | i'm not sure what happened | 14:05 |
| asac | damn | 14:05 |
| xhaker | exactly.. i'm not sure | 14:05 |
| xhaker | but i have an idea | 14:05 |
| asac | so this happened after the upgrade? | 14:05 |
| asac | Ubulette: do "major version" upgrades always make the preferred applications dialog go to custom for you? | 14:06 |
| asac | e.g when going from b3 to b4 ... brom b4 to b5 | 14:06 |
| asac | and so on | 14:06 |
| Ubulette | no | 14:06 |
| asac | ok | 14:06 |
| Ubulette | it's unrelated | 14:06 |
| xhaker | i think that after having removed .mozilla/ yesterday, firefox asked me if i wanted to make firefox the default browser | 14:06 |
| asac | xhaker: how long are you using ffox 3? | 14:06 |
| asac | xhaker: ok. that was beta3? | 14:06 |
| xhaker | asac: yes | 14:07 |
| asac | hmm ok. | 14:07 |
| asac | i think there is a bug open for this | 14:07 |
| xhaker | when I was testing ubufox | 14:07 |
| asac | can you try to find this so i can milestone it? | 14:07 |
| Ubulette | oh, should disable that | 14:07 |
| asac | we should force to use /usr/bin/firefox as the custom browser command | 14:07 |
| Ubulette | +we | 14:07 |
| asac | Ubulette: not sure if we want to disable the complete feature | 14:07 |
| asac | if it does the right thing then it can be beneficial i guess | 14:08 |
| Ubulette | mozilla bug 380115 | 14:09 |
| ubotu | Mozilla bug 380115 in GFX: Thebes "Linux 16-bit widget size issues (black rectangle at bottom of long page)" [Major,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=380115 | 14:09 |
| Ubulette | fixed today | 14:09 |
| xhaker | also, i need someone that can confirm if sun-java6-plugin works on ff3 | 14:09 |
| xhaker | asac: this might help for the preferred applications bug | 14:12 |
| xhaker | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/185622 | 14:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 185622 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 doesn't act as the default browser" [Medium,Incomplete] | 14:12 |
| xhaker | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/78202 | 14:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 78202 in firefox "firefox should use "firefox %s" for gconf browser key" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:12 |
| xhaker | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/196933 | 14:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 196933 in firefox-3.0 "firefox keeps asking to be default browser when it should not" [Undecided,New] | 14:13 |
| xhaker | they're all related afaict | 14:13 |
| xhaker | see you later.. about sun-java-6-plugin http://pastebin.com/m10c73038 , doko might need to a new upload if anyone can confirm it doesn't work :D | 14:14 |
| xhaker | classes! | 14:14 |
| asac | xhaker: thanks | 14:18 |
| Ubulette | asac, have a look at #ubuntu-devel | 14:47 |
| Ubulette | same with 'custom: mozilla-firefox %s' | 14:48 |
| asac | Ubulette: where` | 14:48 |
| asac | ? | 14:48 |
| asac | what time | 14:48 |
| Ubulette | most recent | 14:48 |
| asac | i only see lamont and hobsee | 14:49 |
| Ubulette | yes, that's it | 14:49 |
| asac | ah :) | 14:49 |
| asac | well | 14:49 |
| Ubulette | just read it | 14:49 |
| asac | yes | 14:50 |
| Ubulette | dh_link -pfirefox-3.0 | 15:06 |
| Ubulette | touch debian/usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5pre/.autoreg | 15:06 |
| Ubulette | touch: cannot touch `debian/usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5pre/.autoreg': No such file or directory | 15:06 |
| Ubulette | make: *** [binary-install/firefox-3.0] Error 1 | 15:06 |
| Ubulette | asac, ^^ | 15:07 |
| asac | oh damn ... its too early | 15:07 |
| Ubulette | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12669926/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.firefox-3.0_3.0~b5~cvs20080314t0150%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 15:08 |
| asac | just move it down a few lines should work | 15:08 |
| asac | if the path is not completely wrong of course | 15:08 |
| Ubulette | i'll fix it properly to avoid the "*" | 15:08 |
| carlos | asac: that testing will need to wait until Monday, I need to leave and the testing server was down until recently... | 15:09 |
| Ubulette | it's damn too hazardous | 15:09 |
| Ubulette | +ed | 15:09 |
| carlos | asac: also, I'm on vacations next week, so either Danilo or Jeroen will do it, ok? | 15:09 |
| asac | Ubulette: whatever you prefer | 15:09 |
| asac | carlos: yeah. not perfect, but still in line with the timeline i have in my head :) | 15:10 |
| asac | carlos: have a nice holiday! | 15:10 |
| carlos | ok | 15:10 |
| carlos | enjoy your weekend! | 15:10 |
| asac | carlos: just at home or really doing recreational travel? | 15:10 |
| * carlos -> out | 15:10 | |
| carlos | at home, with my family | 15:11 |
| Ubulette | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=723782 | 15:18 |
| asac | yeah ... we should either use more strict dependencies or add a Breaks: to xulrunner | 15:21 |
| asac | Ubulette: isn't the dependency issue fixed by firefox? or was it just build-depends that got an upper bound? | 15:22 |
| Ubulette | it's fixed in .head | 15:22 |
| Ubulette | i did it yesterday | 15:22 |
| asac | yesterday? | 15:22 |
| asac | ok | 15:22 |
| asac | bug 145931 | 15:39 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 145931 in moblin-browser "Browser crashes when accepting a certificate" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145931 | 15:39 |
| Ubulette | asac, any idea why I need the last rule ?? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686/ | 15:44 |
| Ubulette | Rules 7 doesn't apply for debian/firefox.sh, why ? | 15:45 |
| Ubulette | Rule | 15:45 |
| asac | Ubulette: well, most likely it doesn't match DOTs | 15:51 |
| asac | so maybe %.sh would help | 15:52 |
| Ubulette | http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2008/03/building-firefox-video-element-backends.html | 16:07 |
| Ubulette | indeed, git is far less intuitive than bzr | 16:07 |
| Ubulette | [reed], will the video html5 patch make it before final ? | 16:09 |
| [reed] | Ubulette: not in Fx3 for sure | 16:16 |
| Ubulette | too bad | 16:17 |
| Ubulette | that would be a killer | 16:17 |
| [reed] | yeah | 16:17 |
| [reed] | it's still not done | 16:17 |
| [reed] | and Firefox 3 is already "killer" | 16:17 |
| [reed] | so... ;) | 16:17 |
| Ubulette | I agree but it depends to whom you ask.. corrupted rendering, black pictures, unsupported addons, bogus zoom, etc | 16:19 |
| Ubulette | forgot crashes with flash | 16:19 |
| armin76 | not being able to browse images hosted on https self-signed certs :P | 16:20 |
| armin76 | but probably for windows will work, so... :P | 16:20 |
| Ubulette | asac, did you find the ephi/xul regression ? | 16:28 |
| asac | Ubulette: yes it was a build tree only regression | 17:01 |
| Ubulette | ? | 17:01 |
| asac | once i have applied the api fix to the real package it worked | 17:01 |
| asac | 2.5 days wasted :( | 17:01 |
| asac | my svn build tree was busted | 17:01 |
| Ubulette | ephi ? | 17:01 |
| asac | i thought that i had enough experience to not run into such kind of time wasters anymore ... but here we go | 17:01 |
| Ubulette | or xul ? | 17:01 |
| asac | ephy | 17:02 |
| Ubulette | ok | 17:03 |
| asac | Ubulette: black pictures is us | 17:03 |
| asac | its our libjpeg | 17:04 |
| asac | i could reproduce that it doesn't happen with hacked libjpeg from moz | 17:04 |
| asac | i have targetted it for release | 17:04 |
| asac | if we don't find a good cherry-pick we will switch to in source jpeg before release | 17:04 |
| Ubulette | how come i've never seen this ? | 17:06 |
| asac | Ubulette: didn't we talk about the cherry-pick? | 17:07 |
| asac | or was that someone else ? | 17:08 |
| Ubulette | we talked about moz patched jpeg but I don't remember the end | 17:08 |
| asac | bug 182038 | 17:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 182038 in xorg-server "Black rectangle instead of image in FF3 [Hardy]" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182038 | 17:08 |
| asac | milestoned for final (xul target) | 17:08 |
| asac | ok i have to go and pick up a friend from the main station ... then we will go to berlin. | 17:09 |
| asac | will be back on sunday | 17:09 |
| asac | anything pressing right now? | 17:09 |
| Ubulette | no | 17:10 |
| asac | ok thanks. nice weekend all! | 17:10 |
| * asac out of town | 17:11 | |
| Ubulette | bye | 17:11 |
| asac | bye | 17:11 |
| === Ubulette_ is now known as fta | ||
| fta | let's wait for a nick collision to see if it's still used | 17:31 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| fta | [reed], mozilla bug 422991 | 21:30 |
| ubotu | Mozilla bug 422991 in Build Config "'make distclean' misses some files" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=422991 | 21:30 |
| [reed] | ubotu: yeah, I saw | 22:27 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about yeah, i saw - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 22:27 |
| [reed] | er | 22:27 |
| [reed] | fta: | 22:27 |
| fta | yep | 22:27 |
| fta | Bug 202336 | 22:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 202336 in firefox-3.0 "[hardy] Firefox sets wrong inputfocus when starting with opened sidebar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202336 | 22:36 |
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